Hemi 5.7 Lifter FAILURE Does this engine have a fatal flaw? Find out how YOU can prevent it!!!
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- We've all heard about the famous Hemi lifter tick. In this video I'm going to tell you what exactly in the Hemi is affected by this problem, and more importantly, how to keep it from happening! If you like what you see in the video, please consider subscribing! Thanks for watching and I hope you stick around to watch some of my other videos as well.
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I have a '10 RAM 1500 with 211000 miles on a 5.7 and it posted a code for cyl 3 misfire and started to tick. I figured it was a lifter failure and pulled the heads and found one of the lifters had seized the roller. I noted that it appeared to be into the cam some as the sides were also slightly worn. After pulling the cam it is worn significantly, seems like it had been doing it for longer than I thought. My plan was to just replace the cam and lifters, but now I am wondering if I may have a contamination issue and should do more. I have photos of the affected lifter and cam lobe that I could show that may help the decision. I have pulled the cam phaser to check the screens, they are clear. I am wondering what your thoughts would be on this situation and what you might recommend. I don't want to be pushy, but I am in somewhat of a time crunch and a quick response would be greatly appreciated. I understand if you can not however. Thanks
@@waltergrasmick5615 if the oil control valve screen is clear as you mentioned I'm totally fine with just replacing the cam/lifters. Might make sense to do a quick oil change about 500 miles after the repair just to be thorough, but that's my opinion. 👍
Thanks for the quick reply. I will go ahead and proceed with the cam and lifters only. I had just changed the oil about 800 miles before the fault, but will be changing it now for sure. And I will take your advice to change it again after 4 to 5 hundred.
Again, thank you for the great content you have and for the quick response.
@ReignitedAuto I agree
I have NEVER worked on an engine that had to many oil changes!
yup I have worked one. I was always changing the oil.
ive been dealing with this hemi tick for over a year and a fresh rebuild of the entire rotating assembly. you're a lifesaver for pioneering the search for the fix of the tick. im going to try your hellcat oil pump next and i am PRAYING it works. will update here for anyone is interested
You're PARTIALLY correct in your explanation of it being a lack of sufficient lubrication issue, but it's not actually exactly as you described it. It's because at idle these roller needle bearings are not being supplied with ENOUGH oil to properly lubricate them. These engines supply oil to the lifter bearings by means of splash coating. At idle, not enough oil is being splashed onto them to provide sufficient lubrication. Tony from "Uncle Tonys Garage" explains it wonderfully. Give it a watch and see if you agree or disagree with his explanation. I love your channel, it's VERY informative. Keep up the good work!
This video is quite old now, I've got a bunch of newer videos showing my solutions with actual results. As to UTG, no I don't agree with that being the issue. Engines aren't built exactly like they were in the 60's. I have another video that shows the exact path of oil through the Hemi engine, and "splash" lubrication is not the only oil the camshaft receives. 👍
I'm impressed about how you explain everything in detail in a short time without getting boring. Very very informative for me as a future RAM owner!
This man is the best💪 direct to the point, no fancy or innecesary things and with knowledge
Thanks man I appreciate that! And thank you for watching 👍
Watch uncle Tony’s explanation, perfect sense
I watched a video done by a very experienced dodge mechanic and he figured that by raising the camshaft like they did in this engine not enough oil is getting to the lifters and cam. More oil changes may help but I say it's a design flaw that it should need such special care. Other engines survive.
Lots of speculation that is why this is happening. I'm not against it, as I'm only a mechanic and not an engineer, but I haven't seen conclusive evidence yet verifying it. But neither have I seen anything conclusively ruling it out. I'd love to see a company do some in depth testing on it 👍
Chrysler’s “engine oil breakdown” is and easy out so they don’t have to admit a design issue and possibly extending the warranty on the cam/lifters.
There is truth to this statement, however, this issue is happening to such a low percentage of overall vehicles that if this were truly a design flaw it would be happening to a much higher percentage of Hemi engines.
D0DGEd that bullet & they're happy to Ram a 5k bill up your kiester
There are thousands of premature failures...you even admitted to having replaced dozens...this is a design flaw that Chrysler needs to own up to.
Exactly!!
@@TM-to3jc This guy on this channel that runs the show here is just trying to kiss Chrysler’s ass. There’s no way it’s the fault of the oil manufacturers. The engine oil cannot get to the lifters and the needle bearings and the roller causing it to get loose causing compounding damage to the cam. The cam shaft is not getting the oil it should either. The roller on the lifter is not properly lubricated and wearing on the camshaft and the needle bearings are causing the roller to fail causing even more wear on the camshaft.
SOLID!!! THANK YOU!!! BEST description I HAVE SEEN!!!!!! I started adding Lucas Syn oil additive for one quart and switched to WIX filters. I also change my oil every 8 mo or 4k miles... I do not have a lot of idle time during this time. Only use Mobil one Full syn.
Good Idea about the Lucas Oil additive. Maybe I'll start using that in my 14' Charger Hemi. And yes, I use Mobil 1 synthetic as well.
Careful with Lucas, it’s very thick; I blew my 2008 Charger engine right after using this. I have a 2012 now and will never use it again. I’m not the only one saying this.
I think Lucas is meant to thicken up the oil and fill in the spaces of a heavily worn engine.
That would not help in this situation. AND, it could actually decrease oil flow and increase sludge in some engines.
Research it before you put it in your (newer) 2014. Can I say for SURE it was the Lucas? No. But it was very suspicious.
I theorize, INCREASING the film strength and INCREASING the oil pressure will help our engines for this specific problem.
I have switched to 10w30, for this reason. No CEL codes thrown when using it, also.
Hmmm I’m not completely sold on the oil breakdown , Perhaps Inadequate oil flow at long periods of idle.
And I'm willing to admit there may be an issue there as well, I just don't have any actual data to agree/disagree. 👍
Watch uncle Tony’s garage, he explains it is a lack of oil supply to the lifters which makes sense as well.
@@ReignitedAuto It may be cool to do an oil anyalysis with blackstone, I changed my oil at 8k miles and they said it had plenty of life left
That is my guess! I don't think the entire oil in the pan is breaking down! Better look at metallurgy and too much stress on the lifter bearing!
That is the reason .. Scotty has discussed this issue several times .. They moved the lifters higher up in the engine out of the oil.. Thus at lower rpm's there is inadequate lubrication
: Mr. reignited thanks for the info you are awesome. Your video is very charismatic, succint and to the point. Not all videographers, in fact most, lack the ability to teach in such a clear and succinct manner.
This is the info I absolutely needed. Two years ago i Lost my 2006 5.7 truck engine to a sucked valve. Being a dodge fan, I bought a 2009 5.7 L truck. Then it started developing a tick that I was very concerned about, but it goes away if I just let the truck warm-up for about two minutes.… Now I am going to go get my exhaust bolts fixed.
As you probably already know just having this knowledge has relieved so much stress about my truck. I am also going to take your advice and preempt any further problems. Again, thank you very much I will be watching your channel in the future. JB
Nice video. I have seen similar tear down analysis on other videos discussing this problem. I would disagree with the statement that this is not a design problem. An engine should be designed to operate reliably under the range of operating conditions it will be subjected to. It is not unreasonable to expect an engine installed in police and commercial vehicles to spend a lot of time idling. The engine design should be tolerant of that operating pattern.
That's a fair point, but I do think there is validity to the argument that if you are only changing the oil based on mileage, as fleet companies tend to do, that the oil is being tasked far beyond it's intended life cycle. I do agree that there are always design improvments that can be made retroactively to repair issues like this, however, I believe Chrysler is willing to take their lumps for the relatively small percentage of overall failures they are seeing.
Hey guys, I just posted an update video to address some of your comments and to post some new information I found! Check it out here: ruclips.net/video/8lj4mLhAI4Y/видео.html
Never try to kiss the un-wiped ass of the company that you’re trying to suck up to.
@@blueboltstrike6705 now I have that image in my head.....gross
I transport Hazmat and the idle hours are high, but we service the trucks every 60 days of usage. Regardless of brand or engine, they all have gone over 250k miles without opening the engines. We only get rid of them because of California's ever changing emissions laws.
@@e.l.9589 When you idle the engine you have to increase the RPMs so as to maintain combustion temperatures. If you don’t raw fuel gets mixed in with the engine oil. Even diesel an engine oil well decrease the lubricity of engine oil and cause wear and tear in the engine. When I drive around town in stop and go traffic are use the tow haul mode. The owners manual tells me that it increases engine RPMs to maintain proper engine temperature for proper combustion. You either use it or you lose it.
You either stroke it or you smoke it. You rub it for you scrub it. You slide it or you hide it. You smell it or you dealt it.
@@blueboltstrike6705 My 2500 6.4 seems to run above 200°F, and my Transmission stays @ 169°-172°. My work 5500 runs below 200°F, and transmission seems to stay 150's°-160's°. The information that you guys provide has had me cutting down on idling. Location is Southern California, so I never see cold weather. Thanks for all of the information.
Another great video and explanation.
Thank you 🙏
Great video, Sky -- by far, the best YT vid on this topic.
The best explanation about this issue and IMO you nailed,congrats my friend great video
Thank you very much, and I appreciate you watching it! 👍
Thank you! This information could save a lot of money.
I’m glad I watched this. I needed to know not to stretch my oil changes in my new Challenger RT.
That's a sweet car, I hope you enjoy it! 👍
Hemi girl keep that oil changed every 3mths just upgraded to 392 much fun
Never go over 4000 miles, and don't use conventional oil.
Yup...as they say: "oil is cheap...engines are expensive!"
I have a 2014 R/T Charger with 195,000 miles on it. Just started hearing the tick on start up. Will be checking the exhaust bolts. Thanks for the tip.
Always straight to the point, thanks for the video man!
The breaking down of the oil might be part of the cause but I know one of the main causes is the design of the engine block where that tube flows through the lifter valley and keeps oil from dripping down through the galleys where it's supposed to go
Check out my latest video discussing the oil flow for this issue! Link is in the pinned comment at the top 👍
Your gonna think I’m crazy but I could swear my engines playing ping pong? Nice vid proper maintenance can never be over stressed.
Extremely interesting and useful to my clients here in Italy that have similar issues with this great engine.
I really loved this video, it makes sense and I think that's what kills one of my Hemis! oil change sooner than later is the best advise Thank you
Excellent and very informative like taking an automotive class 👍👍👍
Great info and advice! One more factor - supplier quality, supplier changes, production changes... Sometimes can do everything perfect, best oil, frequent changes... and get burned by a random supplier quality issue. It's like peanut M&Ms... most are awesome, once a while you get a rotten sugar coated rotten peanut.
Absolutely agree 👍
Great video and explanation! I have MDS on my 13 and have thought about removing it because a lot of people say that’s part of the issue. Have you seen that with the MDS?
I actually have a lot more information about this issue in my updated video I just posted last week. Check out the pinned comment at the top for the link to the new video 👍
I've been hearing more and more about the Hemi tick on the pickups. Didn't know much about it. Thanks for the explanation and simple solution.👍
Way too many people hear the exhaust leak and immediately think it's the lifters. One reason I wanted to make this video 👍
An exhaust leak is softer. More of a _thick thick thick thick_ than a staccato _tick tick tick tick_
Tony does mention the flaw as this gentleman describes as a oil issue. I like this explanation as I don’t want to keep racing
I saw that video, and I'd like to see this guy watch and make a video about utg video on the gen 3 hemi
Man awesome video! Would love to learn the knowledge you have on these modern Hemi engines!!
Thanks man, but I'm nobody special, there's a lot of great Chrysler techs out there, just trying to bring some of my experience to you guys 👍
@@ReignitedAuto well, you have a subscriber in me sir!😎 love the mopar content
Yes, but there are ALOT OF BAD ONES, especially working at the dealerships! Never had my car so screwed up x3 after an “airbag recall.” (Moritz Dodge, Ft Worth). Horrible!!
Thank you for this informative and reassuring video.
Good video man.. Another reason why I'm old school when it comes to old change. I don't go by milage or what the cluster show me on percentage .I just pull the dipstick. If the oil look alike is getting black I'll go head and do an oil change
THANK YOU! Thats the best explanation on the Hemi tick I've heard so far. Question.. Is it true that the valve lifters get properly oiled from the oil getting slung off crankshaft 1500 RPMs or more like everybody else is saying?
Thanks for the kind words! As to your question: To an extent. I'm actually making a follow up video to this one that should be out in the next week or two that addresses this issue more fully, so stay tuned for that one! 👍
This is one of the best videos I've seen on this so far 👍
I appreciate that, thank you 👍
You should look at the video Uncle Tonys garage did.
@@rucus0101 I did
Subscribed. Straight delivery and no begging for likes, gawd I hate that.
Appreciate you watching!
Simple explanation of failures, simple solution. I always change my oil every 5,000 miles. Also glad my 14' Charger Hemi is only used domestically. Not for fleet vehicle use.
One Chrysler tech I know, said to make sure you run synthetic oil and change it in half the time the factory time frame states...
Oil maintenance is absolutely critical. A LOT of people think that since oil change intervals are longer than in older vehicles, people get complacent, and this simple service procedure is neglected. Can't do that. Of the failures he has seen, which actually are not many, ...THAT is the main cause of this problem.
Agreed.
I had no issues with my 392 but i put Schaeffer Oil in it from the beginning - Run Schaeffer Oil and you won't have any problems. The best oil on the planet
PERFECT VIDEO, WELL DONE, HIGH QUALITY EDITION, THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Magnificent description
Regards
I watched uncle tonys garage a while back. He explained what he figured the flaw was and why. You should really watch it. It makes perfect sense. And it’s kind of the same as what you are explaining.
I agree Uncle Tonys Garage figured it out, they need oil and these motors don't supply the cam with enough of it.
@@codywills1408 exactly right cody. Makes sense doesnt it.
Lol. Uncle Tony garage video is completely wrong. WTH
It's most likely due to a failure of the needle bearings
My Uncle Tony knows what he's talking about . I'm surprised that they don't have an after-market fix for their oiling problem
I went from conventional oil, to synthetic blend, and my tick has stopped now. Next oil change is full synthetic! Wish I had listened to these younger guys sooner, instead of following my own old ways!
fully synthetic will not fix this or keep it from occurring. I've run Mobil 1 Fully Synthetic since I bought my challenger new. Only 46K miles and it's a manual trans with no mds. I've had lifter tick for 30L miles and dodge said it was normal or a small exhaust leak so I ignored it. Bad mistake. I now have to replace the lifters and cam due to wiped lobes and bad lifters. I know several others who have 5.7L engines who are experiencing misfires now and who have the lifter tick. I have over 1M miles of driving under my belt and I've never had a mechanical issue with any of my engines until the 5.7L. I'll be pulling the cam next weekend to see how bad things are.
Thank you. Key information
Very informative video. I have a 2015 Ram 1500 with 5.7Hemi. With 91thousand miles. I love the truck. Other than one rear exhaust manifold stud broken off. No issues. I will pay attention to the engine hours. I had my ever sit and idle. I'm retired so I say away from heavy traffic hours.
Appreciate you watching! I also have a video specifically for the broken exhaust bolt repair 👍
The non mds variants eat lifters too. I work alongside a fleet of late model 3/4 and 1 ton trucks... oldest being 2017. These things idle as you say and I can't speak for what their service intervals are. All of these trucks I see are 5.7s so they are non mds and the lifters still fall apart. I tend to agree with the lifters running too close to horizontal and simply not oiling the rollers at idle speeds. The oil change interval seems more of a cop out for a blatant design flaw.
Wow, I expected to see some scoring but that is some pretty extreme wear! Great point about the idling time, especially for people who take their lunch breaks in fleet vehicles idling with the AC on.
Once it wears through the hardened surface of the lobe, the rest of the metal is like butter. Like I said, I've seen a few that have completely round lobes. Hilariously, the customer will say, "it 'just' started making noise!" 😄
@@ReignitedAuto That is a lot of loose metal in that motor. Pray the oil pick up screen and the oil filter catch all that. Yikes.
@@alexdegrat1006 usually the standard is to check the oil control valve screen, if its plugged with metal it gets a whole new bottom end. If the screen is clear you should be 👍
Caterpillar in the past used the same type of lifter on the 3400 series engines, I I at the time now around 30 years ago rebuilt many many of these. Some of these lifters would fail in very few engines and the cause of failure was always oil related either wrong oil or not frequent enough oil changes so I think you are spot on to it, thanks for the vid.
Appreciate you watching!
I love you channel brother the knowledge is priceless
I appreciate you watching!
Great video, but there’s plenty of documented lifter failures in these engines even when “proper” maintenance was done(3k oil changes, full synthetic etc). Bottom line is that there is a design flaw in these engines. Crown Vic police cars idle just as much as HEMI equipped vehicles and failures in the crown vic aren’t even close to that of the HEMI.
The Hemi is being pushed for power, like nearing 400hp to the engine 5.7l which let's be fair...older 350s (345 is the cubic of the 5.7) Are pushing? what 150 200 horse? Stock that is. They designed them different for more power and there are some flaws. Idle Oil pressure is like 20 Psi which i'm not super fond of, the MDS system surely isn't the best for it, there needs to be an aftermarket either the solenoids for MDS need to be block off, or just let them oil the lifters non stop (change to Non MDS style lifters) and give the rollers constant oiling with no 4 cyl mode. Basically, over engineering, need for emmisions garbage and mileage are the reason which things fail. 350s didn't get good milage, granted these Hemis are not that great either, but for the power they make it sure is ok. Crown vics were nice an reliable and they had what the 4.6s in them, they are ''simpler'' in their design lets say just because they're not all out for power.
Same thing my mechanic buddy told me when I bought my Ram 1500 in November. Change your oil every 5k or sooner. Do it religiously and you should be fine. I love my Ram with the 5.7 Hemi. I’m almost at 3 I so I’ll be scheduling one by the time I hit 4K.
Thanks for watching! 👍
By golly, ole Uncle Tony was 100% right. Like you, he also stated that the lifters are positioned more horizontally than other designs, therefore, the oil doesn't flow as well to the lifters during extended idling. The first of 2 videos he made about this had to be close to a year ago, if not longer.
I have a lifter tick that happens because of the oil draining down when I park my truck on a hill. I have resolved this by holding the accelerater down when cranking until oil pressure comes up. I didnt know why the drain down was so bad until this video showed the orientation of the lifters in the block. This makes sense to me now. I hope that for the first 20,000 miles I haven't done any damage with the dry starts of this truck because of it being parked on the incline.
I’m an old military guy, without my hearing aids no ticking noise...
Lol.
You won't need hearing aids to figure out when it leaves you on the side of the road.
This guy gets it
I'm just an old school mechanic but I think he nailed. These new school muscle engines have tighter tolerances than my old school engines therefore they need better oils and more frequent oil changes. I don't know how many oil changes you could push out with old school engines before they grenade but it's not that they were better just built differently. Look at it this way back in the early days of NASCAR if you finished a race and your engine was still running strong you may change the oil, filter and re-gap the plugs before the next race. Now days they pull the engine and replace it. Then tear down that same engine that finished the race strong and check it for stress and wear of every part. That's the difference between then and now with new school engines
Nascar never ran an engine multiple races. They were always torn doen and rebuilt after a race.
@@kylebelk5932 not sure how old you are but back in the day they did.
Thanks for the explanation.
Awesome video! Thank you for the help! Although not 100% sure about the real cause of the problem, your version makes me a bit more comfortable and hopeful that I CAN do something to avoid this issue. I have a 2015 Challenger BTW. And because of the Canadian winters it does see some idling at times before I drive it.
Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching! As a side note, we don't see as many issues on the challengers for some reason. The chargers are usually police vehicles and the trucks are fairly common, but I think I've only ever done 1 Challenger in the last 10 years. Not saying it can't happen, but your odds look pretty good 👍
The issue is that the engine design is flawed.
It's august 16 2022
News flash.
Dodge is discontinuing the charger and challenger..
Just build a Chevy LS and all is good
I changed the oil in my 2010 Ram 1500 every 3000 miles, with the exception of a 3-4 times I was around 4000 miles and this failure happened to me at 118k miles. I typically used castrol 5w-20 conventional oil. This is a daily driver and no long idle times like fleet or police vehicles.
Conventional? Eeek. I change mine in my 06 Daytona Charger every 3k miles ish (5-6k kms) with just cheapo pennzoil castrol ect engine oil that's on sale, use a OEM Mopar Oil filter (i somehow get them straight from the dealer for likr 5 6 dollars...not sure why) And no problems as of 130k ish miles, driven hard.
I change my oil every 10,000 miles with pennz oil synthetic oil ,& never idle my truck more than 2 minutes ,& iv got 200,000 miles on my truck ,never had an issue, not once
@@donkeyballs3307what year?
@@mtn-endeavors67 2014
I change my oil every 3-4K using Mobil1 syn in my Ram with 63k, now the tick, not exhaust and not diluted oil. Call ERS, engine rebuilder supply in Troutdale Oregon, they told me every hemi they have gotten in has had bad cam/lifters.
Everyone always asks me to tell them which cars i see the most problems on, and I have to tell them, I only see the broken ones, that doesn't take into account the millions of them still on the road operating correctly. I would probably imagine than an engine rebuilding company would see issues with cam and lifters, otherwise it probably wouldn't have come to their company in the first place. All that being said, are you from Oregon? I miss it, we just moved a little over a year ago from bend. I've spent a lot of time near Troutdale though, since my brother in law lives in hood river. Beautiful area!
@@ReignitedAuto live in Gresham Oregon right next to troutdale my 2017 hemi ram ticks right after I changed the oil for a few days on startup then goes away until next oil change afterwards then no more ticking is that a problem it only has 19,000 miles on it I changed the oil at 3500 MI no Long idle at all. Using 5-20 Pennzoil oil full synthetic. Would like your thought on that. PS run truck with MDS off all the time.
@@joefurrer5428 I wouldn't see that as an issue at all. Normally the lifter tick noise is far more prominent after the engine is fully warmed up, and at 19k miles you should be golden 👍. Drove through Gresham many times on my way to Portland, can't take the rain though!
@@ReignitedAuto thanks for the reply yes it does rain here move from Portland to Gresham get away from big City big city is making it to Gresham and troutdale in Fairview do not like. Lived here all my life used to the rain but we get a lot of wind out in this area from the gorge.
I always push the tow haul button (around town) so all 8 cylinders are always firing. Also oil changed every 3k as it's H0T in Tucson 9 months a year
Great explanation, thank you.
Thank you for watching!
I work on these every day. I also worked for GM a while too. I can tell you I've swapped lifters at both dealerships...
But its so much easier for people to hate on Chrysler products 😄
Fords eat them too, well actually the roller rockers, I had a 05 5.4 needing a engine at 100k,
@@garysisk3431 Them ''older'' 5.4s yeah the rollers would start tap tap tappity, customer ignore it as ''manifold leak'' and then it grenades itself, no good. All engines got problems, dealer techs obviously get a first hand view of what goes wrong, but then again remember, cars don't come to the dealer/shop without problems or reason. If they come it's because of routine maintenance or they have problems. You get the broken ones.
I have 3 Hemis with over 100k miles and two with over 200k miles on it. I always use this product call Engine Restore on all my oil change, it basically helps the oil to stick and stay on all metal moving parts. I also Rebuilt the hemi motors as well. It's good stuff, I use on my SRT and my two 5.7 hemi.👌
Thanks for the feedback! 👍
Let me guess, you sell it; LMAO ROTFL
Go somewhere else to peddle your snake oil lol
Thank you for sharing this with us great videos sir..
Thank you for watching I appreciate it! 👍
Smart guy. Knows his stuff.
My 2010 Ram lifters failed at 130k in 2018. I drive 50 miles a day, 80% highway. I used Amsoil and changed the oil at 6k, and I did every oil change. So, I really don’t believe lack of oil changes is all the cause. I was there when they took and heads off and it was spotless inside. You’d never have known it had 130k.
There are always going to be outliers like yours unfortunately, I think my point was more that lack of maintenance will hasten failure overall 👍
6k is too long even with syn... stick with 4k. These engines need it.
The real problem is lack of oil flow too the lifters,being a tech you should know that,the fact that fleet vech have more problems is because idle oil pressure and there is not enough getting too the lifters.
@@Pickleram I've heard this a fair bit, but haven't seen any actual data to back it up. I'd be legitimately interested in real results, if it can be Proven true I'll make an update video 👍
But the recommended change interval is 3000 miles.....
The digital dash display should have a sensor that monitors the camshaft lobe height as it wears prematurely: "WARNING...you now have .480 lift....WARNING...you now have .450 lift...WARNING...you now have .400 lift."
😂😂😂
That would be Chrysler admitting their design flaw and in turn cause a recall of millions of their faulty vehicles.
Thanks. I am planning to buy a RAM with the 5.7. Based on everything I found it seems like a maintenance issue. You confirmed it. Seems like all modern engines are sensitive to oil quality. I think I am going to do a 5000-mile interval. In the old days we used to do 3000 miles. Thanks for the great video.
great video, my daily driver is a 2010 Ram with the 5.7 Hemi, it's got 181,000 miles and no lifter tick. Runs and drives great with no issues. I run high quality synthetic with good filters and try hard not to let me try truck idle for very long. Take care of it and it'll last!
It most definitely is a design flaw. Others have videos on it comparing engine blocks of the 5.7L GM and the Hemi. I'm on a second top end rebuild as I type this. Failed lifters, cam wiped. This one after only 5k miles! There should not be a block casting under the camshaft, preventing oil from being slung onto the cam from the crank. It is that simple. I know it, others know it, Dodge knows it. And they know that we know it. Will never purchase another Dodge anything, and I was Mopar for life. The 5.7 in my back up suburban (had to buy since the Dodges are always in my shop being worked on) has 300k miles and I beat it like a yard dog, yet purrs like a kitten. Wife's Journey 3.6L had a fatal head failure. Common problem, even on the 200's. So done, run, run away as fast as you can. Lol.
I just finished making an update video on this issue that addresses some of your concerns. It goes live on Monday! Be sure to check it out, and thank you for watching! 👍
finally the truth we knew all along at 8:27
This oil business is so true , I drive a fleet truck and at times my truck has to idle for many hours and after 7yrs the cam was worn out creating lots of noise so the engine had to be replaced, this was on a 2014 3/4 ton chevy work truck.
Thanks a lot for the very useful and awesome information
since you said that we need change the oil based on engine hours!
I tried to find this information in the manual or the websites but I couldn’t find anything.
What is your recommendation for that !? After how many engine run hours shall I change the oil !?
I know it depends also on the weather, the oil quality, and the driving habits. But as an average , what is you recommendations!?
Thanks again and appreciate your time reading all that
As a rough estimate 5k miles is equivalent to 150 engine hours. And honestly, to clarify, I'm only talking about vehicles that are idling for an hour plus every day as in fleet use. If you are idling your vehicle for 20 min every day, don't worry about it, just go by mileage. Thanks for watching! 👍
Great video..and such a novel idea.. a mechanic actually wearing gloves while working on the engine!😉
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It may have been mentioned already, Uncle Tony's garage figured out that the lifters are too high in the block, and they don't get oiled or splashed. Sorry if I'm repeating what you've already seen in the comments
I need to watch his video, haven't had a chance to check it out yet. 👍
Corvairs also suffer dropped valve seats. And this is late fifties technology, quality control with pretty bad in those days. I have taken apart a number of corvair engines. But there's no real damage except your off the side of the road, dead. Because of the
horizontal layout of the engine, the dropped seat just rattles around. You could you can still drive it. And it happens to mostly the four carburetor, oversize valve high performance engine, 1965 to 69, but any Corvair engine can be susceptible. A trick is to turn the engine off in gear, thus lowering the idle speed, introducing less cold raw fuel into a hot combustion chamber
@@CORVAIRWILD I wish that were true with the Hemi! The older ones from '03-07 were bad about dropping valve seats. I've actually got a playlist of videos from a 2006 chrysler 300C where this happened. Unfortunately when it does, it shatters into about a million pieces of metal that get showered into the whole engine and destroy it :(
Nice videos man, sorry to bother you where do you buy you harmonic balancer extractor?
Good video. Could you explain your experiences or do a video on the reports of hemis dropping valve seats in the early engines?
That's a good idea to do a stand alone video on this. If you look on my channel there is a playlist on a 2006 Chrysler 300C that I rebuilt that had this happen to it, you can watch the whole repair process 👍
I know I'm opening my self up to be torn apart but, I have a '17 1500 Laramie with the 5.7. At this point I have no noises or problems at 67k miles. I change my oil at 5k miles at the dealer and the computer says I still have around 45% oil life yet. 2 questions, 1- is there a brand of oil that Chrysler recommends I use over another? 2- is it bad to use my remote start system and let the truck warn up for 10 min or so in the morning before I leave? I absolutely love this truck and want to do good by it.
No specific brand of oil, I know we had Penzoil at our dealer, but not sure if that was Chrysler recommended or just what we used. Just stick with the 5-20. I wouldn't worry about Idling it to warm it up in the mornings for two reasons, 1: when the engine is cold the oil is "thicker" and has more oil pressure, 2: I'm really talking about extended idle time like 1hr+ on a consistent basis. You should be good to go 👍
@@ReignitedAuto THANKS!
I would love to agree with your findings, however my 06 hemi with only 125,000 miles took a cap because of this lifter cam issue. This vehicle was taken care of like new born baby. Synthetic 5w20 changed like clockwork at 5000 miles. All tune ups done at proper intervals. It was important this vehicle got me at least 200,000 miles. I was gravely disappointed,as this was a military retirement gift from my wife. Now it sits unusable,can't afford to fix it. Contacted dodge and they blew me off. Will never buy a dodge again.
That is interesting, because it's actually really rare for the '06 models to have lifter failures, that didn't really start to happen until 2009. Have you had the car professionally diagnosed yet, or are you just thinking that's the issue? When is the tick noise present and what makes it better/worse? Is there a Check engine light on? Does it feel like the engine is misfiring at all? Let me know 👍
Bro get some tools do it yourself so sick of people taking cars to stealership
Very helpful thanks
I have an 09 5.7 hemi. Challenger. Being a toy. I only use her for long trips. It's never used for short trips. I use a good syn. So far so good. I give her a lil warm up time. Then super slab till I get where I'm going. Great vid sir. Thank you
Amsoil, Royal Purple, Mobile 1 etc.
Redline?
Maintenance! Imagine that! I’m sure that using the correct grade of oil, and probably the use of high quality synthetic helps too.
You can probably prolong it a few k but not prevent it. Mds non mds factory recommended oil or synthetic it doesn't matter it will happen
Synthetic has less lubricity than dino oil. Fun fact. As a Dodge district service manager we saw numerous American Axle ring gear failures.
Chrysler and American axle visited our large dealership and said take out synthetic and put in GL4 75w dino oil.
Zero failures after that and we sold 200 trucks a month.
@@tahcogunworks lol why do u guys hide amsoil from the world
Thank you for this I just watched your cam replacement n I feel confident for my 392 when I decide to change my internals also I run the ow40 mobile 1 oil on my car have been for a while now I see racers do it with good results and honestly I feel frequent oil changes in a hemi with that oil will run really good I put alot of miles on my car I got it with 18k now has 49 n I barley had It 2 years I change my oil ever 1k to 2k miles now I haven't opened it up but a few mechanics have told me my engine sounds flawless I think it's just how you care for your car your actions will justify your results
You Man Friend ARE A SAINT !!!! Wife's 5.7 has the infamous tick and mine is starting . Hers is very noticeable tick where mine is very light . Thank You for the Awesome video
Appreciate you watching 👍
@@ReignitedAuto You Are VERY WELCOME !!! Def explains what hey issues are and how to go about diagnosing ... I'll probably change oil first then go from there
The issue is not solely related to the frequency of oil changes and oils breakdown. It’s the distance from the camshaft to crankshaft and the fact that the oil doesn’t reach the lifter rollers at less than 1500rpm or so.
I've heard that a lot, I'd love to see some real data on that. Im not an engineer, just a mechanic 😄
Happened to my 2011 Ram 1500 4x4 with 117k miles. Had to replace the entire long block due to metal shards in the engine from the lobe getting eaten. Had $100 synthetic oil changes at the dealership every 3000 miles. What a waste. Will never buy another Ram again. Oh and I very very very very rarely idle. If I sit for more than five minutes I turn off my engine.
170,000 and no problems,I use amsoil and a better wix filter I am planning on a forged engine build with all the goods . Ram has been a great truck. I matter of fact never had problems with gm or fords trucks but I use amsoil and do my own maintenance.
@@Pickleram unicorn Hemi congrats!
@@littlejohn6694 130k on my 06 charger...i litterally beat the hell out of it. the ''slap shift'' gets used very often, taking it RIGHT up to the 5700 5800 redline or just cap of its power and then shift, constant abuse in winter. 3k oil changes (5-6k kms) with your cheapo penzoil castrol synthetics and a mopar OEM filter (From the Dealer).... (4-5 dollars for an OEM filter....how can you go wrong? Canadian dollars too). No problems yet so?
@@baileyhatfield4273 happy for you 👍🏻
I must say, this saved me around $1600 if I decided to fix it or god knows how much if I sold my car.
My car is a 2008 5.7 charger R/T with 175K miles 1st owner. When I heard the tik I thought that's it this car is done. I even checked the issue and they said it is the lifters! Parked it for two weeks until I get my sh** together only to see this video that gave me hope. I checked the car with two dodge mechanics and an exhaust shop and found the leak in right hand side headers and now I'm happy! Thank you so much Mr. Reignited❤️
Hey that's awesome! Good to hear my man and thank you for watching 👍
I like your newer video on how the MDS solenoid doesn't allow oil into the lifter passages until its active. Which is what actives the lifter collapse. Which could be another reason why the MDS lifters fail sooner than later. Its not active on idle. Nor during any kind of hard driving. Definitely makes sense why fleet vehicles, especially towing, or hauling vehicles, would have the most and worst lifter problems.
in fact I think that if the FCA technicians have designed the engine in that way with MDS this means that the system must be activated. MDS cannot always be deactivated. When the system is activated it sends pressurized oil to the MDS lifters through the dedicated solenoids. If you make sure that MDS is almost never active you reduce the lubrication of the lifters. The engineers thought that with an engine coupled with an automatic gearbox (8-speed) the driver will not constantly love a track drive or sports drive and the driver will not select the sequential gearbox all the time. The driver looking for such performance will buy a car with a manual gearbox without MDS taht is another project of engine. The person who buys the 8-speed automatic also desires to have a relaxing drive and perhaps will also be attentive to consumption. These are the reasons, according to my idea, why the engine needs its dose of time in which MDS is active. Maybe many people don't like to run 4 cylinders but I think this type of engine is designed because it must also run 4 cylinders so that all MDS and non-MDS lifters have the right lubrication. The problems have the MDS engines that never run in MDS at the will of the drivers. What do you think about this?
So... Mt thoughts - Use a oil additive especially if its high milage. If possible eliminate the mds and put either regular roller lifters or swap the whole roller combo and go back to flat tappet.
I am not sold on the idea that its a design flaw so much as chrystler trying to do too much in saviving gas for the economy. I mean lets face it - its a 5.7, 5.4, etc. its a V8 for crying out loud. why in the h*** would you want to do that to a V8? Its not like you buy a V8 powered vehicle and want to save gas! if you wanted that then there are plenty of mini trucks or FWD cars around!
Just saying.
You're certainly not wrong. To be honest, all of the manufacturers are doing similar things, and the problem is - it's government mandated. The EPA has established MPG numbers that each manufacturer must meet every year as a combination across their lineup, and every year that number goes up. This means that every single year the manufacturers are looking for any and every little bit that can bump up their numbers. I believe the MDS system on the Hemi improves gas mileage less than 8% overall, and that's actually a huge number. I'd agree as well that removing the MDS system seems to correct the issue, in fact, most aftermarket upgrades will do exactly that for this engine. Appreciate the thoughtful reply and more importantly I appreciate you watching!
@@ReignitedAuto I do have a question though. can you just change the mds lifters without changing the can of it has not gone bad yet or giving trouble codes. would that still set off codes if you did nothing to the mds sensors basically tricking the computer into thinking the mds lifters were still there. would that work?
@@ratchetswartz3321 The lifters can be changed without changing the cam, however, in order to swap out the lifters you must also replace the MDS solenoids with block off plugs instead, which are available from the dealer. Unfortunately this will most definitely set a Check Engine light.
@@ratchetswartz3321 lifter failure happens just as much on non mds engines.
@@scr454 very true. however, the mds engines have a known proven flaw. this is the reason for the blog. no cam and lifter should eat it before the engine reaches100000 miles old.
all we are talking about is how to prolong the life of the engine to the point of normal failure.
I absolutely call bullshit on Chrysler "bad oil" BS , take a look at the lifters when you take them out you will see scouring on the the bodys on opposing sides from right bank and left bank, now look at the drain holes in the block casting...they are inches away from the cam so oil is not draining on the cam like a traditional pushrod engine now you will also notice no through holes to the roller in the lifters so basically what you have here is at 1500-2000rpm and up the crankshaft is slinging oil all over the cam lubricating it and the rollers but at low rpm or idle the draining oil is just falling down away from the cam except for a few lucky splatters and the crank obviously isn't spinning fast enough to throw it upwards...thats the issue, what they need to do is update the casting to have a few threaded holes in that oil galley and put in oil squirters for the cam then they could continue to manufacture on their current platform...otherwise they need to scrap it and start over, now from a performance perspective the placement and angle of the lifters being high and wide does have performance benefits,as a matter of fact when Toyota first entered Nascar the blocks they were using operated on a very similar idea allowing more reliable higher rpm valvetrain function but the way Chrysler has made this it desperately needs oil squirters because virtually the only lubricating that's stuff gets is what the crank literally throws at it....I challenge anyone to actually tear one of these down,physically inspect the layout and the cam and lifters then tell me it has anywhere even close to the lubrication it needs...the location of the drain back is the big wtf here, and I kinda question the oil flow going into the top lifter area in the first place as well
I appreciate the informed reply. There's no doubt that in any engine there are design improvements that could be made, i think with any company they will decide what is an acceptable amount of failures before changing a design. In this case the lifter failures are happening to a relatively low percentage of engines, so I don't think they are inclined to update it. I do agree that improvements can be made though 👍
@@ReignitedAuto 👍 absolutely, always room for improvement , as I believe you stated as well it currently appears,based on my experiences, that the higher percentage of failures are coming from county trucks, construction fleets...ECT and thats why I took my time diving into it on the last repair,while I can't really speak for county maintenance I do know the team of one construction fleet that had 2 trucks go down about the same time and they were properly cared for,in my mind I'm thinking what's the difference between how these guys use their vehicle as opposed to a normal everyday person going about their day to day and the big obvious is they idle for hours with their lights running, as I tore into it started to make sense why it seemed to lack lubrication under those circumstances, please take no offense to my initial comment,thanks for the video I hope Chrysler figures this one out before alot of people get really disappointed in an expensive investment.Merry Christmas
Nice to hear from a mechanic about this
Thank you for watching!
I have a Ram with a 3.6, and it's a great engine, but I find I now need more towing capacity but was hesitant to trade it in for a 5.7. After seeing this, and know that I always change oil at recommended intervals or earlier, I feel better about the idea.
Don't let people steer you wrong, they've been using this engine since 2003 for a reason. 👍
Nice video dude 👍, much better explanation than the uncle Tony guy
Much appreciated my man, and thank you for watching! 👍
if you don't do an oil analysis there is no proof of this.
@@patmanz28 proof of what, common sense?
I have to say that it is a physical impossibility for oil to actually break down. Boiled does get dirty that's the truth. Now if your cam is breaking down and your lifters are breaking down there putting case-hardened material into the oil ultimately important to change the oil out of a locked in any High Performance Engine. You're always going to have case-hardened material breaking down off the parts and falling into the oil. Change your oil a lot that is the truth. No High Performance Engine likes to idle that's a fact. The 5.7 is a great motor.
Great video. I considered a new ram, but the hemi reliability worried me. This makes sense. I feel better about the engine. Thanks.
But I still hate the pentastar in my Jeep.
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Sorry, but lifter bearings are weak. Hemi engines production years 2011 to 2015 may potentially have lifter fail before 100K miles. . Lifters have since been revised "different PN" . Lifters fitted from 2016 production have beefier roller needles to countermeasure early life failure.
I have a 17, lifters failed at 95k miles with routine oil changes every 3k miles.
@@TM-to3jc may depend on part number on your installed ones. Odd to hear a 2017/with seized roller typically found with AA ones. 2016 lifter roller design did change to AB albeit from same supplier. Perhaps that’s why supplier was changed after 2016/2017 which also changed lifter PN to AC. Interesting.
No the problem is lifter angle because mopar raised the cam. Their should be a recall. Your just giving a victim their best odds to go down swinging. Why not tell them to never idle their engines. Same results or to have the cam and lifters changed every 20.000 miles. And in the mean time all that metal is reaking havoc on every lubricated part in the engine. I'm 110% MOPAR and they should recall their fault.
One clarification that a lot of people don't know. A recall can only be applied to a safety issue. If it's just a mechanical issue it's called a technical service bulletin, and there's nothing to force them to do it. Companies will all of the time release a technical service bulletin that explains there's a problem that has come up over time, and here's how to fix it. But they won't pay for it to be done. Recalls as a safety issue are government mandated that the factory pay to fix it.
A clear example of this: The 2011 Ford F250 6.7 Diesel I just rebuilt was making a terrible buzzing noise after shutoff. I found a TSB stating that the 2011 models they found the turbo actuator vacuum line was designed poorly, and needed to be replaced with an updated design to make the noise go away. But I've got to pay for the updated design if I want it.
I've heard a lot about the theory that the raised cam is the issue. I'm not going to disregard it, but I'd really like to see some actual data beyond speculation that's the issue. If I can get some actual numbers that prove that to be the problem I'd be glad to make another video explaining that. 👍
Interesting video with a great break-down of what is happening with the Hemi engine.. What is concerning is that there are plenty of similar engines that don't seem to have this problem, however, many owners may be guilty of stretching their oil change intervals to making this even worse. Is it not oil starvation (poor design) or a weak oil pump that might contribute to this?
Does Chrysler recommend a specific oil grade/type change that might help? From say, 5w20 to 5w30 full synthetic? Dunno.
Use amsoil the dealers wanna destroy ur car
I bought my 2006 Ram 1500 HEMI brand new and I have always changed the oil between 2,500-3,000 miles and now she has only 78k miles and purrs like a kitten. A few years back I did replace the 203 degrree thermostat with a 190.
Unless other engines have the same problem from idling a lot, the Hemi does have a fatal flaw.
They don’t.
LSs on Caprice Pursuits idle all the time. They aren’t eating lifters.
@@Bartonovich52 i watched a video a while ago (I can't find the link) from a guy who works alot on LS engine, he was working on one that had a similar issue he was saying that it was common on all the LS engine with cylinder deactivation. I haven't heard as much about LS engine but the guy seemed to know what he was talking about. It really seems like its a cylinder deactivation issue.
It is a fatal flaw. Face it, a roller lifter should never fail with any regularity. It is a lubrication issue caused from lack of oil on the needles and rollers.