Hemi Tick Lawsuit, Will It Succeed?
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- Hemi Tick Lawsuit, Will It Succeed? In this video I go over what the lawsuit alleges and what I think might be some challenges to overcome for them to win.
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Good video, except for three important issues---First, for product defect / liability lawsuits, the plaintiffs must prove that the defect was either known or foreseeable by the manufacturer and often without regard to the warranty. So, the typical 3yr / 36,000 powertrain warranty is not an issue. Second, the "degenerative issue" is largely not an issue. The question would effectively be: whether a reasonable person would be able to discern whether temporary noise coming from the engine area on a fairly new vehicle would go to a mechanic to have it checked out. A reasonable person is not an experienced mechanic. Each side (Stellantis and plaintiffs) would frame the issue in the most favorable way to them. Third, if the parties reach a settlement, the plaintiffs would not accept replacement parts of the same quality because that would be asinine and Stellantis would probably never agree to a cash-back rebate or a buy-back program because such programs hurt brand value. The only real answer is for Stellantis to source better parts and replace the old, defective parts with the better parts.
As far as a current example, look at the Hyundai / Kia engine lawsuit, where Hyundai / Kia has agreed to replace almost half a million engines due to a risk of fire with many of them well beyond the warranty period, and with some models being as old as 2009. Sound like a lawyer? I am.
Good info I like it 👍
If Chrysler doesn't know by now -
They never will - Too much money -
Paid for a vehicle I can't drive 😠
Damn bro you laid some law down there.
@raphaelsanchez4797 brilliant explanation of how this lawsuit makes perfect sense
I've read about vehicles as far back as 2014 doing this! So with that being said, in 2014 they called for 5W20 and now they're calling for 0W-20 in the same motor! So why the difference in oil weight if you know you're having parts failures due to lack of lubrication? I read it was because the lower the thickness of the oil The better gas mileage the vehicles would get and that means less money Chrysler pays to the EPA! So this has been an existing problem for 10 years and Dodge has done nothing to solve the issue! Could that not be brought up in court that it has been an existing problem and they just haven't done anything to fix it?
I used to be a Chrysler tech also and agree with most everything you share. There is one thing from personal experience that I would like to share. I’ve changed a few failed Hemi cam and lifters for customers. Of course I would not be familiar with the “normal” sounds of any of those engines before the failure. Before and after sounds if you will. Although, one of the shared work trucks at my current job had this problem at 117k. I drove this truck daily in all seasons and was very familiar with how it sounded. It was a very quiet and smooth. Even when started cold. It started ticking one day and I knew exactly what was going on. The other guys that drove it tried dumping Lucas in it of course. Lol. Then kept driving it for a week or so. The company owner obviously knew where I worked before. So he asked if I’d fix it. I agreed. Found failed lifter on cyl.5. When I had the oil pan off I could clearly tell that the metal shavings from the cam was dripping on the crank and getting flung up into cyl 5. You could clearly tell the gray metal running down the block under that cyl. I could see no damage to the cylinder wall. Top or bottom. No metal in the cam phaser screen. Carried on with the repair. The tick was gone and it ran great. However, when started cold it definitely now had piston slap or knock. Not crazy bad, but I definitely noticed it. Not sure anyone else did. As they wouldn’t care anyway. It gradually faded away as it warmed. It made me wonder if any of the previous jobs I did had the same new piston slap. My belief is that the gray metal shavings damaged the skirt on that piston. Or built up in the rings changing the way the piston rocked in the bore. Either way it did not have this noise before. So when I heard you say the piston would be the last thing to get damaged, I’m not so sure I can agree on that one. That was four years ago and that engine now has 268k on it. With the same cam and lifters I installed and the same cold piston slap. But it still runs great. However, I have an additional theory on this particular engine. I also think it was possible that the stickiness of the Lucas held the metal shavings up on that cylinder wall longer than it would have with 5w20 washing it down. I know, I know! Longest comment ever!! Lol. Hope you find it interesting though.
Interesting as I have a 2015 Ram 2500 with 110 k that has not had this happen yet and was contemplating adding lucus synthetic oil treatment as a preventative measure, the synthetic is thinner than the conventional Lucas oil treatment , my thinking was it would keep the lift or roller lubricated as now my truck sits a lot and doesn’t get drove, but on weekends because of a company truck, you mentioned the Lucas after the tick started, but what about as a preventative I have also thought about the hellcat oil pump or both what’s your thoughts?
After owning a 2009 ram, i learned one thing...never again will i buy a dodge. NEVER.
I have a 2015 Ram 5.7. Mine made it to 127k before one of the lifters locked up and ate part of the cam lobe. I bought MDS delete plugs, Hellcat lifters and a Hellcat oil pump. I have the engine completely disassembled and and sending out the block for new cam bearings and a hot tank treatment.
So has that worked for you?
How much do this cost?
Update??
I had 380k on my 5.7 and was still going good when i sold it
I don't see the lawsuit going very far. I have a Ram 2500 with the 5.7 with 185k on it and only tick I have had is the exhaust. Use good oil and proper oil changes and issues will go down. Love the channel, glad I found it recently. I have loved my Ram for 10 years now.
If you were in all the Hemi/ Ram groups that I am apart of you would understand how bad the problem is. With that said, when stroking my 5.7L we found a cam and lifter starting to fail.
6.1 hemi punched and stroked to a 426 7.0L here. Run wonderful. Recently heard a tick that seemed out of the ordinary. I immediately shut it down, pulled the oil filter and cut it open. Outside of a couple metal specs, all the paper pleats were clean. I'm pulling the drivers side cover and head off this weekend to check for play in the rockers, then lifters looking for wear. I suppose if you catch it quickly, you can save yourself lots of headache.
did you upgrade the oil pump?
@@Sky1I’m going to guess he did and didn’t take shortcuts since one, it’s a major build, and two he planned to tear it down that weekend.
An excellent and easily understood review of the lawsuit from a professional and experienced hemi mechanic. Information like this can help us hemi owners better decide what, if any action they need to take with regard this issue. Thank you sir for taking the time and the interest in this important issue enough to place it up here on RUclips.
Thanks for putting this up, that's why I sent it to you. I know you have really tried to help everyone. Appreciate you as always. BW
Interesting. I appreciate your thoughts. Personally I don't see this lawsuit really going anywhere. The Hemi is overall a great motor and I think that the lifter issue is so much less prominent than it is made out to be on the internet. I love my Hemi in my RAM and I wouldn't trade it for any other truck!
Yep, I agree. Same here with my 2013 RAM. 114k miles and going strong.
I have to agree Zac, although I'd like to see them get some traction, I don't think it's going to happen.
If Chrysler wasn't going to replace the 2.7L v6 grenade-engines when they failed catastrophically, I don't see them replacing these Hemis.
Yeah see my SRT 6.4 failed at 116,000 kms
I am very happy with my 2019 DT Rebel Air loaded no problems.
Warm it up, drive it hard, and cool it down. Go Hemi!
Best way to drive it, also tune it and get rid of the MDS
No way everyone spots the tick as an issue. Im pretty sure there are many people out there who drive around with the tick for years.
Unfortunately cam/lifter failure just happened to me at 90,000 miles. 2017 Ram 1500 Express. Definitely stressful and put me in a bind monetarily. Great video as always
How many idle hours and driving hours do you have?
@@1antisupercat not sure about the idle hours. Will have to look up on my scanner. Not a daily driver nor a fleet vehicle
What oil do you use? And when do you change the oil?
If you cant afford to replace the engine and transmission of the vehicle it means you're driving a vehicle that's too expensive for you. Get paid better or switch to a cheaper vehicle.
@@Moment2Forever Huh? I don't care what profession your in $10,000-15-000 dollars makes a huge dent in ones pocket. Unless your a millionaire. I am not. I am a plumbing foreman with a wife,4 kids and a mortgage.
my cam eat two non mds lifter at 189,000 klm with oil changes at 7000klm! replaced with full engine builder kit and replaced all mds and vvt solenoids ! the truck has 15,000klms since the cam swap and running fine ! i did put heavy magnets on the oil filter for two oil changes, the first filter had some fine metal in held to the can of the filter but the second filter was clear!
I like that idea of sticking a pair of magnets in the pan to help collect any debris. 🤔👍
Question, I have a 2019 Ram 2500 6.4 thats currently at the dealer for a new tick/knock that I noticed 3 weeks before getting it to the dealer at 49k miles.
The tech agreed with the noise and they pulled the valve cover. They checked the oil control valve and said its clear/ok.
They then said they checked the lifters and didnt see any wear BUT they are going to replace the lifters anyways on the passenger side ONLY becuase they believe theres a "lazy lifter".
Is this good practice? They didnt say anything about the camshaft and I dont believe they even looked at it since they claim they didnt see the lifters damaged. How are they even replacing the lifters if they dont see any damage?.. is it ok to just replace the lifters on one side and not replace the other side and/or camshaft?
Thanks
Hey Luke, the actual question here is what is the dealership actually allowed to do? As a tech at a dealer, we are actually very limited as to what we can replace or not replace. Basically, since they tore the engine down on that one side and didn't see any failed lifters, they will basically have to say that they found a "lazy" lifter in order to get paid for their work by the Manufacturer. If they didn't at least replace the lifters on that one side then Dodge would not pay them for what they've done so far. On the flip side of this, Dodge could deny the claim altogether if they replaced ALL of the lifters without seeing an actual failure. It's a pretty stupid system honestly. The dealers are so restricted that they are unable to take care of the customer properly. This is something that's not often realized, that it's not the dealer that is saying no, it's the manufacturer.
My thoughts: Mechanically there's no issue with only replacing the lifters on one side. I'm a little surprised they didn't find a way to put a full set of lifters in there anyway while they are there. Unless they only tore down the passenger side for inspection. The good news for you is that now you have a documented repair order that there is a tick/knock issue. If this repair doesn't address the noise then they will have to go further with repairs to fix it. It's basically a step they have to take first. A pain for you, but it covers them financially. Secondly, if you feel like there is a noise still present after the vehicle goes out of warranty by a short period of time, say 6 months or 3,000 miles be sure to contact the dealer and show them the previous issues and repairs you've had and there's a possibility that you could get more repairs covered under a goodwill warranty repair.
i also have installed more LS cam and lifters than hemi and i work on more dodges than anything
GM is getting sued for their lifter issue too. Harrison v. GM
2011 ram 1500 i had to get my lifters and can redone at a just a little over 100k
My 2012 Ram 1500 Hemi 5.7 is in the dealership awaiting parts for the replacement of valves and cam related to this issue. I will be into it for THOUSANDS+++!!!. Thanks, Chrysler!!!
These engines are done and will be gone EXTINCT. CHRYLSER WILL NOT STAND BEHIND A DISCONTINUED ENGINE. THEY ARE GOING FORWARD WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES. ANYTHING LESS IS NOW HISTORY.
awesome breakdown bro. love the channel and the insight/ knowledge. that kind of stuff is invaluable
They replaced my cam and lifters only at 60k miles after removing the OCV and finding metal shavings, 10k miles after rebuild it started doing it again and they refuse to do anything until it throws engine codes even though the repair was defective! I will never buy another Chrysler product!
I have 46K on my 2014 5.7 Ram 1500 no issues other than the broken Exh. studs. Was told it is better overall to use the same manifolds but to have them resurfaced since they have been heat cycled. This is one of the nicest riding and running trucks out there... pulls my 8500 toy hauler with authority even up the steep grades. Just LOVE the truck. I FOR SURE recommend changing the 8 speed tranny fluid at 40k. Mine was coffee color and needed to be changed. I did it on my own but it is tricky to do and it shifts smoother now. I was told my my mechanic that the truck is a solid unit and that ALL the trucks out there have issues. He said he does not see the lifter issues in masses and to not read on the internet too much.. I see so many Ram's on the road hard to see them all failing with certainty. I change my oil every year or 4K miles was using Mobil one with a WIX filter. I was told Amsoil is the best but Penzoil is a close 2nd.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 with only 70,000 miles and was told I need a new camshaft and to park the truck on yesterday. Highly upset to say the least but it was meant for me to come across your channel so thanks. I will be staying tuned.
Did the issue throw a code? I recently bought a 2014 with only 62,000 miles and I think I hear a ticking sound at start up. No codes and the truck has been running smoothly even after a few hundred miles. It isn’t my daily so I will be following the vids
Exhaust manifold
My son's 2014 Ram 5.7 developed the tick. Tore it down, lifter failed with another headed that way. Rebuilt with a Melling cam and Engine Tech lifters. Replaced oil pump with Hellcat oil pump you suggested. Started truck and runs great with similar pressures you saw. We are getting an issue with the a check engine light coming on that flags an oil pressure issue. Do you know how we can correct this problem. Also, we live in a colder climate with -35c temps throughout winter. I am worried the pressure may be too great in the cold, causing engine damage. I am thinking of changing oil to a 0w-20 to counter the high pressure. Would running this oil viscosity in this engine cause more engine wear or is there a better viscosity (ie: viscosity they call for in the hellcat) or different possible solution? If I solve this issue, I think your idea is the solution to these motor issues.
Got a brand new video coming out on Saturday that specifically addresses the check engine light after installing a Hellcat pump! 👍
Awesome to hear..., Your video's truly assisted us in the rebuild decisions... . Hopefully it also addresses the high oil pressure in cold weather.... Thanks@@ReignitedAuto
It seems to me that engines in the 60’s and 70’s typically lasted about 100,000 miles. Since then, manufacturers in the automotive industry have developed some engines capable of 300,000 miles. We have gotten used to long life (well over 100,00 mile) engines being somewhat routine, and anything less is no longer okay with owners.
I agree I've heard routinely as a technician about the days of 50,000-75,000 mile engines.
You're absolutely right, cue all the comments about how the engines in the 70's are better/more reliable 😄 People have faulty memories
I think the old mopar engines could easily last 200k miles IF they had EFI back then. It's the excess raw fuel of old school carburetors which limited longevity on them.
@@budlanctot3060 you are correct
Engines should not have knocking issues before 10,000 miles or even 50,000 miles.
Excellent video. Thanks for the info. I have a 2019 RAM 1500 with a 5.7 HEMI. At 41K miles it has a pronounced lifter tick and a rough idle. My factory power train warranty expires in seven months. All service has been done by the dealership at milages less than the recommended service intervals. I scheduled an appointment two months ago to have it evaluated by the dealership. The service advisor called me the night before the appointment and asked me to delay the evaluation because the service department was busy. He suggested a date two months away. I signed up for that later appointment and dropped my truck off seven days ago. The service advisor said the repair could take up to a month. I contacted the dealership today to ask if the tech had looked at my truck yet. The service advisor said the tech had not looked at it yet and it could now take up to two months to get my truck back because they were so busy. He suggested that I take my truck to another local dealership. I told him that this is the dealership I bought the truck from. I appreciate that the service departments are very busy. I'm starting to wonder if they just don't want to do the warranty work on my truck and want to delay until the warranty expires. Not sure what options I have. Just want to get the vehicle fixed before the warranty expires. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
One thing to rest easy about: you already have the vehicle at the dealer with the stated concern on it. This predates the expiration of the warranty, thus even if the warranty date expires while the vehicle is there it will be covered. Also to ease your mind, warranty work is reimbursed by the factory to the dealership, so the dealers get paid for the work either way, whether it is warranty or not, so they really don't care which it is. I'd say it just sounds like they are being lazy. I wouldn't allow them to shunt you to another dealer though. Stick by your guns and keep on them until they at least diagnose the issue and order parts. Parts delivery is out of their hands on how long it will take, but they need to at least get the process started by diagnosing it.
Thank you very much sir! That helps.@@ReignitedAuto
Would you recommend pulling the oil control valve on a used hemi we plan on purchasing to see if it has the problem?
I think that's a great idea 👍
I think the biggest help to the plaintiffs would be for them to get a few large police, sheriff, or state trooper departments that have had these failures prior to the factory warranty period ending. The reason I think the plaintiffs went with 2014 and newer is that the average miles driven is just over 12,000 per year and this would make the average miles of vehicles in these years 100,000 miles or less. Personally, I think Chrysler will settle this out of court since the Hemi engines are nearing the end of their production and it will more than likely be cheaper to offer an "extended warranty" specifically for the lifters than to go through litigation.
The dealership in Mobile Alabama absolutely told me that the tick was normal because Hemi engines have a large oil pan! Yes that’s what he said.
😂 he wins the award for the most ridiculous reason!
2013 Ram 2500 w/5.7 Hemi. Ticks when cold but goes away when warm. Have 220 000KM on it. What should I do ??
First thing I'd do is check out another one of my videos called "the other Hemi tick" Likely you're dealing with broken exhaust manifold bolts which is a far simpler repair. 👍
Got a 2019 Ram with a 5.7 Hemi. Runs great, bought extended warranty and use it to replaced lifters on both sides at 40k and 89k km. Also changed the exhaust manifolds on both sides warranty of course. All running smooth now.
Excessive idling is basically the cause of it. What normal layman knows idling is not ideal and cultivates damage? I warn every hemi newbie owner, do not idle that motor unnecessarily. Look at hemi cop cars, ALL experienced this at a low mileage due to idle time. I’ve known people to get +220k out of a gen3 hemi with no degradation evidence. Also known people only get 60k-90k before THIS CRAP issue happens. Extended oil change intervals because they’re running amzoil or royal purple expecting to see 10k miles on a oil change as well as high idling times are always the common denominator everytime
Personally, I run mobile one with one quart of synthetic Lucas hoping to keep some stickier lubricant inside the rollers but ultimately its operation related. I fire it up and once the idle drops to 800rpm I’m off, (slow and easy til up to temp)
Would you recommend switching to 5w30? I keep hearing this from people across RUclips. Currently running 5w20
No I would not. You're not making a real significant change and if anything you'd be masking the problem not fixing anything. Secondly, there's a very good chance you'll set a code for incorrect engine oil type.
2022 Charger R/T has this same noise at 1,000 miles. Should I call the dealership?
Had the Hemi tick developing in my 17 2500 6.4. No metal in oil, no metal in filter, even had a sample sent to Blackstone and they saw no evidence of wear or metal. Shop says I have a collapsed lifter on cylinder 7. I heard what you said about the oil pump. Should I replace the lifters and cam or full engine?
Yes! Question.: i ve been told my ticking is from injectors. Ans it is a normal sound. Well if so every lifter failing ticking sound Ive heard sound about the same...no?
I'll be honest, they sound very similar. The primary way I tell them apart is the injector noise is very regular while lifter tick can sound almost intermittent.
I have also researched that the Hemi Cylinder Head design has a flaw with proper camshaft lubrication when idling.
Excellent informative video as per usual. I do have a question regarding my 2017 ram 1500 with the 5.7 L. I currently have 113,000 miles or in Canadian 182,000 km on my vehicle as single owner of this vehicle since day one I've all but two times neglected to change my oil at the correct oil change interval, as per Chrysler, which is in my opinion stretching it too far. That being said all but two times I've used thetic 5W 20 motor oil typically Pennzoil and then later realizing that mobile one 5W 20 and they are oil filter are the best combination that I found for oil pressure, fuel economy with an excellent auditive package included with the mobile 1 synthetic engine oil. a bit of history with my driving mainly or approximately 60% highway with minimal idle times as my daily driver. I would say the last 50,000 km I was changing my oil I vote every 8000 km or 5000 miles so as it got older I started to change your way more frequently even though it was synthetic and I've now started to use the mobile, one high mileageoil 5w20. I've never strayed from the 5W 20 OEM oil grade as per Chrysler. I've also on several instances utilized oil additives of various brands throughout my oil, change history, such as ZD, which was a zinc, anti-wear additive. I've performed 2 engine oil flushes had extremely widely separated intervals 100,000 km and 150,000 km approximately with the second engine oil flush being of the better too from a company in Albuquerque New Mexico they make an engine oil flush additive and then they also have one for your fuel tank as per Scotty Killmore swears by it so I tried them out and my oil pressure and fuel economy definitely got better knowingly going to about 10,000 miles there before an oil change is when I used it on the next oil change. I've always used additives and top to your gasoline of 87 octane for my vehicle. Since day one I've been using a K & N air filter in which I clean and spray as per the manufacturer recommendations. I have no modifications to my RAM 1500. With all of that information I've given you at this point my vehicle does not have the HEMI TIC as per your guidelines describing the 4 common misdiagnosed HEMI TIC. I'd say the only thing is when I started up in the morning that I notice ticking noise for about 2 or 3 minutes. I believe that's just the engine waking up expansion and contraction cold oil getting to the hydraulic lifters and eventually it goes away after three minutes when everything warms up. With all of the information I've given you now comes the million dollar question?Would you put in a new cam and lifter kit (OEM or aftermarket) if up to this point there is no evidence of any metal to metal cam and lifter wear or HEMI TICK noise at the 115,000 mile odometer reading today? Your all out of lifelines. This is not a multiple-choice question. Only 1 answer can be given based on though information provided. Your 60 seconds starts now!
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The problem seems to be a design flaw related to the oil pump that enables an accelerated degenerative mechanical issue. Which causes lifter failure and costs several thousands dollars to repair or even motor replacement.
Thank you for the information. I am part of the lawsuit. My engine totally failed at 112000 miles about 200 miles previous we did all of the top and engine repairs costing me close to $8000. Please keep us updated on any further developments on this lawsuit.
Thanks for the info on this. I was wondering if a lawsuit was going to be filed or not. Where it only goes back to 2014 I wonder if they thought they would have a better chance of winning if the cut off line was within a shorter time frame.
Tom I think you're right. I was thinking that they might be worried that casting the net too big would nullify their claims. But I think that's the wrong way to go about it. Based on how everything is worded I really don't think they have a Chrysler tech helping them, feels like there's a lot of slight misinformation in there, and stuff like that can sink their case.
I think they should have gone back to 2009 and say that Chrysler n
Knew this was a problem since 2009 and still has not really fixed the problem and continue to sell a defective product that they should have addressed!
First off... Love your channel. So I know it's been awhile since this video, but I'm new to your channel and wanted to note something that I've recently been through which pertains to "The Tick". I own a 2015 Charger SRT 392 and recently had the tick. It got bad quick. Even got the engine light (P305). Sure enough #5 Lifter was bad which took out the cam. (NOT AN MDS CYLINDER). This is common, I've watch a lot of videos, so why am I writing this. Well... I haven't seen any mention of any other fail but the lifter. So... I put a new cam and lifters in, no big deal. But after getting her running again I felt a strange vibration I never felt before. I thought I did something. Found no issues caused by my mechanical skills. So after driving it for about three weeks, something broke. After removal of the engine, I found #6 connecting rod bearing was gone!! (MDS CYLINDER) All I found was a small sliver, the rest was shavings. Also found #5 bearing was spinning and failing. Coincidence? I found it interesting and just wanted to note. Thanks
Got my first Ram last month. A 2020 with 20k on it. It has the tic and I’m here trying to learn what to do so what’s first thing you would do when taking it back to the deal. What to say if they give you” that’s normal “ line? It’s my first time having a newer truck under warranty. Do you have a video with how a warranty should go and what to watch out for?
When does the tick happen specifically? If it's most present on cold start it's likely an issue with the exhaust manifolds.
Plenty are saying it's a design flaw. Maybe get rid of it.
Would you have any hesitation in purchasing a used Ram 2500 with a 6.4 Hemi, under 100k miles, provided the idle hours aren't excessive?
Is this "HEMI TICK" and the MDS problem that is on the 8 spd. automatic transmission problem still existent in 2022 Dodge Challenger R/T Scatpack or the 2022 SXT V6 Dodge Challenger?
No. Lifters fitted are heavy duty Hellcat Lifters.
@@index6738 On the 392 Scat and SXT V6 Penestar?🤔
@@microminiskirt ALL gen 3 received heavy duty lifters. Same lifters as fitted to 6.2L super charged. Around 2018 onwards. 392 also switched to BGE block as standard block. BGE embossed on side block for ID. What is BGE. Big Gas Engine. Same block in trucks and Hellcat. Stronger and runs cooler. Have no intel on V6. BTW. MDS is not contributor to premature lifter failure.
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you got a new sub... I have owned both pre 2009 and 2009+ Hemi 5.7 engines. My 2015 Jeep GC SUmmit 5.7 has 163k miles I am the 2nd owner and 1st owner kept up with the maintenance by the book. I continued that tradition changing oil every 2500-3250 miles. I recently did engine mounts and some suspension repairs. I recently grabbed a 2023 RT Charger Last Call so I am under warranty until 2028 for powertrain but I will most likely never see 100K or even 30k on that engine. That car is pretty much a lawn ornament.
my 2014 Ram 1500 had 150k miles on it before I privately sold it in February of 2022, no tick no issues, but when I buy used vehicles I look for 2 things, number of owners and Maintenance history. If the vehicle shows a detailed carfax, and I pull the oil fill and see a nice light brown or light golden hue to the internals... I am good with it. Also anything i buy will get every single fluid replaced within 500 miles of purchase.
my 2005 300C, aka my Pimp Mobile, I sold privately with 189k miles and being original owner I had the maintenance history down to the detailed carfax and every single receipt for every bit of work ever performed. Sold the vehicle for above market value in 2019 and also had it repainted in 2018, so it essentially looked new, interior was flawless, original radio, Nav etc.
I actually wanna do some work to the jeep, I think it could use a bit more power and I am thinking of a cam upgrade and possibly intake, but what I am not sure of is how much of the charger/challenger parts will interchange with the jeep hemi. I have access to a practically new 6.4L Cam (less than 200 miles, and the intake, also less than 200 miles. I could save them for the charger but would love to put them in the jeep since it is so far out of warranty it will make no difference if I blow it up. If and when it goes kaboom I can part it out and make way more money as it is as immaculate as my 2005 300C.
So can I use the charger 6.4L cam and intake in my 2015 Jeep GC SUmmit?
You can, the parts will bolt directly on to your engine, however you'd have to add the MSD box to control the variable intake runner, and if you do swap cams it would be best to get the engine tuned to maximize the combo 👍
Here's what the 2021 Owner's Manual says regarding a "tick".
Note:
Hemi engines (5.7L) at times can tick right after startup and then quiet down after approximately 30 seconds. This is normal and will not harm the engine. This characteristic can be caused by short drive cycles. For example, if the vehicle is started then shut off after driving a short distance. Upon restarting, you may experience a ticking sound. Other causes could be if the vehicle is unused for an extended period of time, incorrect oil, extended oil changes or extended idling. If the engine continues to tick or if the Malfunction Indicator Light (MIL) comes on, see the nearest authorized dealer.
Appreciate that info I didn't know it had all that in there. 👍
Great info thank you. I been watching now for a while and find your videos very helpful. I own a 2018 RAM 1500 with almost 60,000 miles on 5.7 not getting the HEMI tick yet but, I did have something very unusual happen around 3,000 miles after oil change where I found my oil filter was loose. It had been dripping on the driveway. I got under the truck and sure enough it was a little loose; I hand tightened it up and it was fine for a week or so then I noticed it was dripping yet again. I called Firestone where I had the oil changed and made them replace the filter and tighten it with a filter wrench. No leaks after that. However the tech at Firestone told me this can happen and it had something to do with too much oil pressure and to add an oil cooler to drop the pressure. That didn’t sound right to me. He stated there was some kind of service bulletin about it yet he couldn’t find it and neither could I when I was checking the web. The next time I took the truck to Firestone I ran into this tech again, and I asked him if he ever found that article and he said no but he found something and it said to add a little bit of marvel mystery oil in with the engine oil and to help with the pressure. Again sounded a little weird, but he claims to have been a Chrysler technician in a previous life. I was wondering if you’ve ever heard anything about hemi oil filters, becoming loose and dripping, and if it had anything to do with all the pressure of the oil system
I never like to discount anything out of hand. But no, I've not seen any sort of bulletin regarding that issue. Usually it's just a flyer that wasn't fully tightened when it was originally installed. You'd have to be making an absolutely ridiculous amount of oil pressure to do anything to the oil filter.
And if anything, adding marvel mystery oil would increase your oil pressure so not sure how that would help if its a pressure problem.
@@ReignitedAuto makes sense, thank you for your time!
"Star Case" In July 2020 I had three months left on a lease (2015 Outdoorsman) 60K miles. It was cheaper to wait and pay off the lease than pay it off early. I had it in at 60K for a bolt replacement for the hemi tick (second time). I asked about trade in and they offered 13K for my truck. I paid it off decided to keep it till 100K. Then towed a trailer on a 3500 mile trip June 2021 and the truck shut off at speed three times telling me to restart without throwing a code, on the highway, pulling a trailer in traffic. Got home, took it in and they couldn't figure it out made it a "star case" as I heard them say that to each other. A soon to be retired tech friend of mine from back home said it was likely in the ignition system and with the "tick" issues (twice including one manifold under the 100K warranty) I'd had he personally would get rid of it. They told me they had to wait for a tech from FCA...but, they offered me 27K trade in on the truck...with the problem... There were no incentives on new ones, but the trade in was so good, It easily offset any incentives. I took the deal...
That’s basically what I did also but with less miles on my truck.
2016 Ram 88,000 mile. Bought extended warranty. Warranty company sending used motor with 78,000 miles to replace. Why would they keep using same pushrods with bearing? What happened to the old pushrods with no needle bearings
have a 2012 Durango with 192000 and NO tick other than injector pulse BUT having issue with cam timing , Getting ready to do cam gear ,chain and other items . have changed cam sensor & crank sensor has helped AS said no cam issues. Question to you could have anything to do with California emissions with no cam failure . VVT solenoid clean but oring did crack causing code for it and screen was clean .
This whole deal is blown way out of proportion thanks to the days of social media giving the whiners a much bigger audience than ever before if its on warrantyit gets fixed if its not you got your fair use out of it anyway. Millions of hemi engines will be rolling down the road trouble free putting smiles on there owners faces for many years to come.
Where should I buy my lifter? Can you send me a link?
Im dealing with issue now with my 09 ram 1500. Lesson learned. When the truck starts misfiring and you are not a mechanic, just replace the engine. What happened to mine is started off with cylinder 3 misfire. I tried to save money by replacing cam and lifters. After putting it back together, cylinder misfire gone on 3 but multiple misfires appeared out of the blue code P0300. I am now at a loss compared to if just changed the engine.
The hemi tick is just like the death wobble Chrysler will never admit that they have a problem
I have a 2019 Dodge Durango RT I brought it used with 12k & have had it for 3 yrs & it has 30k on it now. I do have a very noisy Starr up which bothers the heck out of me but does go away when the oil circulated. I've heard about this hemi tick from a dodge dealership mechanic so I thought it wasn't something to be concerned with but after watching this video I'm concerned! I don't know if there's any type of preventive measure that can be done beside don't let it idle to long OR can an engine additive be added that might help or slow it down?? Something like ZMAX etc??? What's your thoughts?
I’m a Chrysler tech for 38 years. 43 in the business. I agree with just about everything. What just made my head swell is not having a competent transmission tech on staff. I’ve been a Transmission for most of my time with Chrysler. 80’s 90’s and up to mid 2000’s we rebuilt transmission’s both warranty and for customer pay. Chrysler got smart and started offering 3 year 36k warranty on reman engines and transmissions. Now there 3 year 100k and reman engines,transmissions, transfer cases and other parts. It better for the customer to put a reman unit in it than doing an overhaul with a 2 years parts warranty. Also the modern transmission’s the 8 speeds, 9 speed , and other transmissions now used are replacement only. Under warranty we are only allowed to repair the 68 RFE, 62TE. If the customer who bought the vehicle and adds a Mopar MVP service contract that add power train warranty after the factory warranty expires again no transmission repair. Replacement only.
I certainly feel for anyone that has a problem especially after warranty period, but there are so many variables involved, I don't see a high probability of a successful outcome on the lawsuit.
My 2016 ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi just failed this past weekend at only 85k miles. Simply cruising down the highway at 75 when the engine started misfiring. Couldn't restart the truck and needed to pay for an expensive tow. Bought this truck cpo with a perfect prior maintenance history and continued to change oil with full synthetic every 5k miles. No warning noises or sounds at all. My engine (right up to failure) was extremely quiet. Now trying to deal with cpo warranty repair or looking at 10k fix. I will never buy another FCA/Stellantis product after this experience. Extremely disappointed with this engine.
Do you think that most hemi thick failures are caused by poor maintenance or incorrect oil viscocity? That might be the issue?
Don't know how many times I have to say it's lack of lubrication
Both my 5.7 hemis are running perfectly, the '12 Challenger M6 engine has 127K on it and still runs like new, and the '14 300C engine has 72K on it and it hauls ass, and also shows no sign of letting up either.
MDS has been shut off in the Chrysler, and I keep AmsOil synthetics in both vehicles, keeps them running happily.😎
I bought a 2014 Challenger SRT8 with a 6.4L engine when the car was new and drove it off the show room floor. I very much like the car, but found that there was a very slight tick to the motor, right when new. I changed the motor oil that was recommended for the car. OW20 was the recommended oil. This oil is far too thin. I switched to 5W40 Full Synthetic as well as I add 5 to 6 ounces of a Lucas ZDDP additive. I use a genuine Mopar filter (Black Filter) and I disabled the MDS and run all 8 cylinders all the time. The car runs fine at this point. The engine tick has gone away. At least for now.
One of the problems is that they keep reducing ZDDP levels from motor oil to help the Catalytic Converter last longer, but it is at the expense of the lifter and cam shafts. Additionally, I have seen many worn cam's in Chevy small blocks over the years and its usually caused by lack of ZDDP in the oil.
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Wanted to grab a 1/2 ton 5.7 hemi but with all this Tundra 5.7 looks better everyday, yes im bias coming from Tacos
My son's work has many hemi powered 350's, common problem has been camshafts breaking. They are changing to diesel power, still having major problems just different from the hemi. By the way take a good look at the combustion camber, it looks almost identical to the ford 6.2, neither one looks like a hemi head.
My 2021 Ram 2500 6.4 hemi had a long block replaced at 4400 miles. Oil control valve had metal on it. It had the ticking noise, lack of power, and rough idle. After the engine was replaced it still has a rough idle at times. No CEL for misfire. Took the truck back to dealer and had the tech ride with me. He said that the rough idle is not normal. They sent the running data to Chrysler and they said everything is normal. Now the dealer says it's normal. This truck also does not have the power that it should. I can tow 4000 pounds and it's struggling. There are times that it idles smooth and times it feels like a misfire. I have about 10000 miles on the new engine and have not seen any metal on the dipstick. After watching your video unless a new oil cooler there is not one charged on the repair order. My wife has a 2016 Ram 1500 5.7 and it runs great. I am starting to get concerned about my 6.4 having a repeat problem.
I believe the crank is to far from the camshaft, it doesn't get oil at idle. Look at the distance compared to old hemis, its considerable. And that makes sense.
You tuber Uncle Tony made a video about it
Hey you're very knowledgeable, and I enjoy your channel. I was wondering how much you'll charge to rebuild my 2010 charger srt8?
in alabama we run shell rotella in most of them and have no problems. also i service a fleet of dodges with hemis. he just sold a 2006 with 620,000 still running strong, has several that went over 400,000 miles never a engine problem he runs amsoil none have ever had the Hemi tick some 5.7 some 6.4 has just got several new ones. but they are route trucks. never replaced a cam or lifter in any of his trucks
My 2019 Express developed a hemi tick at 25.000km with 5w20 shell rotella full synthetic oil,the only oil that kill the tick is 5w20 conventional pennzoil, nothing else was working for me.
@@mariuszmajecki2972 try some redline oil , the best for Hemi engine , expensive yes .
Great explanation from your perspective as a mechanic. :)
I feel like owners should band together and pile on to help this case.
For instance help the attorneys reshape their argument so it’s not immediately shut down since fca only has to disprove what they’re saying specifically not that there isn’t a problem.
I always figured if Chrysler could make the roller lifters in the Hemi and the roller rockers in the Pentstar V6 out of poontang, it would solve the problem. I've never seen any wear out though not for trying.
But really, as much trouble as most all manufacturers have with timing chains and VVT actuators going out in the 150ish give or take a few thousand miles, I don't hold this issue against Chrysler. I just consider the hemi lifters and even the roller rockers on the Penstars a maintenance issue.
A good strategy!
In my Ram 2022 Limited Manual it Says this.
NOTE:
Hemi engines (5.7L) at times can tick right after
startup and then quiet down after approximately
30 seconds. This is normal and will not harm the
engine. This characteristic can be caused by short
drive cycles. For example, if the vehicle is started
then shut off after driving a short distance. Upon
restarting, you may experience a ticking sound.
Other causes could be if the vehicle is unused for
an extended period of time, incorrect oil, extended
oil changes or extended idling. If the engine
continues to tick or if the Malfunction Indicator
Light (MIL) comes on, see the nearest authorized
dealer.
Pre 2009 doesn't have the issue because unless I'm mistaken in 2009 they raised the camshaft up higher in the block which moved it further from the crank which causes it to get less oil splash! I may be wrong
My neighbor just swapped his 2013 Hemi cam and lifters in a weekend at 153k miles after misfire codes. His cam had a trashed lobe. My 2012 Hemi still runs perfect at 148k miles but I have lifetime maxicare warranty so I will drive it until it fails. This is an easy repair on a RAM but probably harder in other vehicles.
I work at a dealer, and those lifetime Maxcare warranties are the bane of my existence 😂.
However they are fantastic for the customers! A good choice by you 👍
What’s the link for the Lawsuit? Ram dealership told me I need a new engine. 2011 1500 Dodge suspecting Lifter Failure.
My 6.4 charger has a slight tick, could be this issue I don’t know, the dealership told me it was “part of normal operation” so I guess I’ll find out if it fails
This video might help you out a bit:
ruclips.net/video/XHqSePuaD-M/видео.html 👍
I think a lot of the issues are because to many buy the cheapest oil that is on sale this week, I have owned several Hemi Rams and never had an issue, but I have always ran the highest quality oil, in my case I run Redline Group 5 Ester synthetic oil. I think due to the tolerances in todays engines to enable them to meet EPA requirements you really need the highest quality oil to ensure you remain problem free.
While I agree and you’re running arguably the best oil for this engine, I don’t feel like owners should have to be chemical engineers to maintain a truck. It’s not a race car.
I have a collapsed lifter now and I’ve followed the recommended specs the entire time I’ve had the truck. nothing but penzoil ultra platinum with fram xg10060 (part of the issue I’m finding out) changed religiously every 5k.
You're right about that. They should go over 100 or 200,000 MI and that will make them way better than competitors
I have a 2006 Daytona with the 5.7. The car is a high mileage car but oil changes and preventative maintenance has been done on schedule. The car suffered a roller lifter failure and I heard it as soon as it happened. I drove the car about 10 miles to get it home. The car had a extremely light tap, a slight skip, but did not throw any codes. My first action was to change the oil to see if I might have a stuck lifter but the tapping continued after running the car for about 10 minutes. When I tore the engine down I found that the first lifter on the number one cylinder had not only failed but had also turned sideways in the yoke. This caused some grinding on the cam but more pushing of the cam lobe metal outwards. I pulled the oil pan and did not find any metal shavings although I had put fresh oil in the engine after hearing the tapping I did not see any metal shavings in that oil when I drained it. The main bearings also looked good so I sent the heads to a shop and had them cleaned, decked, and had the valve seats welded in along with new springs, guilds, and seals. The cam lobe was heavily damaged but it was due more to the lobe metal being pushed or rolled to the outside by the sideways turned lifter. All cam bearings checked out fine and I couldn’t fined any metal shavings inside the engine as I inspected through the cam opening. The only metal shavings I saw was in the form of a gray paste that had collected on the magnets of the MDS solenoids but was nothing more than what you would expect to see with an engine with high mileage I thoroughly cleaned the intake also. In all I replaced the timing chain, timing gears, the oil pump with a high volume one, the cam with a non MDS 212/222, non MDS lifters, MDS delete plugs, along with Al the previously mentioned head work. I have put over 100 miles on the motor and I will be doing another oil change at 500 miles and a third one at 1000 miles. As for now the motor is running strong and sounding good. Someone told me that I could not have done this with the later 5.7 due to the bearing tolerances being much closer. Is this true? How do you think this engine will hold up?
You should try to pour engine oil in a large bowl and dump the valve lifters in the bowl fill with engine oil. Let valve lifters soaked in engine oil and push rods until air bubbles stop before install in the engine.
Same trick I used on my Miata saved soooo much headache
Do you recommend any mechanics in the Salt Lake City area?
could you recommend an aftermarket cam and lifters please. would it be a good idea to run a magnetic sump plug ?
I had a seized lifter in my 2011 Hemi at 108k miles. New factory engine installed . At 81k miles I just had a valve spring break on the #5 cylinder while on the hwy at 75mph. Lucky no damage was done. Trying to figure out if I should replace all the springs now.
If there is shards just change the oil - drop oil pan clean it - flush the engine
I hope they can do an extended warranty of some kind as they did with the gas tank straps. My straps failed on my 2013 ram 1500. Truck only had 130k miles. They put new ones on. Now I got p0303. Went to exhaust shop they said no exhaust leak. Swapped the coils and injectors, put new plugs on cyl 3. Still got cyl 3 misfire. Only Cyl 3 misfire and p0219a. Could it be anything else?
I already know what causes this issue On 6.4 It is very hard And expensive 2 Find 0W40 So people& shops just put the closest oil weight In I use Amsoil 0W40 And change at 3500 miles never had a issue yet These engines are extremely hard on oil Plus using the right Oil filter Is very important 2
I used redline 5 w 20 , with a wix filter , no issues
It’s not the oil or the filter.
It is the oil and it is the filter it's the oil not so much the filter but the oil is hard to find 0W40 Regular synthetic Plus nobody wants to use Mopar oil filters Which have the right specs
Bought my 2015 Ram 1500 2wd 5.7 Hemi brand new.....After all of the free bee oil changes at the dealer expired at 36k miles I then converted over to Amsoil 5w 20 Signature Series which is their best. Hemi tick all but disappeared soon after the first oil change switching to Amsoil with 12k oil change intervals going forward....Last week at 159, 359 miles, I heard loud chirping noises coming from the truck. Pulled into a gas station, left the engine running and popped the hood....Loud chirping noises coming directly from the left side engine bank. Noise disappeared the next day but the engine has a loss of power and misfire when accelerating. Engine still idles smoothly though....I know that I have a lifter issue. Truck going to an independent shop with certified Dodge mechanics tomorrow....This problem can occur regardless of what top quality of oil is used obviously....So if one or two lifters are the problem, I'll replace them all with the 2016 and newer so called lifter upgrades that Ram or Chrysler says are better. Hopefully the cam lobes are ok......Oh well. Part of the territory when owning a Hemi.
I really need this cleared up and you seem like the guy to ask, if the cam and lifters are replaced are you in the clear? or can it happen again in the long run, I'm looking to buy a truck and the ram 1500 is like the perfect truck for me but the hemi tick, the bad one, scares me. im young and wont have 8-10k to put a new engine in something, is it really that common too?
Generally most of the ones I've seen are over 100k miles, so if you do end up having to do the repair, as long as you are consistent about your maintenance and aren't idling for hours at a time you can expect the repaired engine to last at least that long before it MIGHT experience a similar failure.
Do those mds solenoids supply any oil when all 8 cylinders are firing? I read somewhere that they still supply luberacation about 4psi worth and when mds is activated it gives full oil pressure and presses the pins in on the lifters with oil pressure. I hope that’s true but I don’t know if it is. I worry there’s no lube for the lifter bores while in v8 mode
This is exactly what happened to me,my 2019 Ram developed a tick at 25.000km,went to the dealer for testing and they say,nothing wrong, this tick is normal!!
It’s not normal keep fighting.
Is this happening to trucks only? What about Dodge Challengers with the 6.4 engine?
@@microminiskirt all vehicles with the hemi engines, tracks, cars are affected, and this guy proofs that MDS system do not play a factor here,with MDS or without it ,hemis suffer.
@@mariuszmajecki2972 Perhaps I won't buy a Challenger R/T 392 WIDE BODY or even the Challenger SXT V6 HEMI?🤔 PENESTAR engine? Sounds like it is a high mantenance car and the problems that Dodge has failed to address these problems since 2009 to the Challenger to new 2022 Challengers. 🤑
@@microminiskirt well,I know one thing for sure,FCA dont give a rat ass about it,and now the hemi engine is on the death row since they announced the end of V8 Hemi,there wont be any upgrade,any recalls etc,they are done with it.
I have 07 durango 5.7L. Had back 2 exhaust manifold bolts broke on passenger side and then gasket leak, and i have 04 Ram 5.7L. Had back 2 bolts break on passenger side and gasket leak, the mds started in 06, i try not letting my 07 5.7L. Idle much do to thats when the wear happens most, otherwise i love both of my Hemi motors.
Does the oil pumps cause the lifters to fail
I was told that ticking was normal. Months later I was on the high way and engine stalled in the middle of the road. Spent 3 grand. I hope they win and make a class action lawsuits
I have a 2022 challenger r/t - I bought with 0 miles - and 2 months later with only 2000 miles it already started presenting with the tick and while driving on the highway at 80 mph the engine completely shut off and now dodge doesn’t want to consider it a safety hazard. This is wrong and a faulty product. Hemi may have had a great reputation but it’s going down the drain. I am talking to the attorneys dealing with the class action.
Are we going to be able to repair this problem and the motor run well?
Absolutely, I've done probably a hundred myself over the years.
kia had a similar problem with some engine seizing at the crank they ended up having to replace lot of engines
I'm OK with, this year I bought a super clean nice 2014 Ram 1500 with a bad cam/lifters for a great price. I installed a new cam with the updated lifters and it runs great.
Something to consider is as a consumer i would choose to spend my money on a GM ls or a ford coyote that doesn’t have that issue. I understand it’s not Chryslers problem at a certain point but I won’t buy one knowing it has this issue. On the LS side I would probably avoid displacement on demand. When you spend 10s of thousands of dollars on a vehicle you want it to last.
I think what's frustrating for me is that all engines have problems. All manufacturers have service departments don't they? It's just this issue gets a lot more publicity than others.
Ok let me ask you a question I have ligetamately taken my 06 Chrysler 300c 5.7 to 7 different dealers and 6 other shops and they can't find the issue. The car has no check engine codes but it will surge and eventually stall at idle it will surge from 500 rpm to 950 rpm can you point me in a direction? The car has 112k miles and has had a replacement engine at 74k miles according to car fax and it seems under powered when it's over 95 degrees outside
205,000km just had lifter and cam failure, treated the truck very well still had the issue
my 2019 ram hemi has 70,000 no ticking at all i think it has more to do with oil, break-in and driving condition i also use 5-20 instead of 0-20w
I have a 17 power wagon with a 6.4. My future plan is to replace with a hellcat oil pump, injectors and cam eventually before i put the procharger on...lol. already got the AHR headers ceramic coated and ready to install.