In the end I returned my Vive Pro 2 as well. Like you said, glare is bad (similar to Index). Secondly I did feel the same about clarity when directly comparing G2 to VP2 - G2 definitely feels clearer and sharper. I think it's because of VP2 lenses and maybe pixel density might be slightly worse as well? VP2 image feels "soft". I was disappointed by Pimax 8KX and now VP2. Despite G2's limited FOV (98 hFOV and 90 vFOV for me) I still like it the best. Obviously the largest FOV (Pimax) means nothing, if everything else sucks and the highest resolution (VP2) again means little, if the lenses are cannot properly deliver that high res image to your eyes. I only wish I could get my hands on Varjo VR-3, that'd be awesome.
Yep, I think you and I had the same experience. I'm looking forward to seeing what Valve comes up with... I feel a little like Princess Leia "Help me Valve Index 2, you are my only hope..."
@@GYGOtv what about the Varjo aero or pro? Think that would help with motion sickness? Looking at their website now and they are having a black Friday sale, but I would hate to just get them and throw away another VR headset. What do you think?
@@SquiggyWigginzHi Squiggly, as I mentioned on the other comment I don't think any specific VR headset is going to help with your motion sickness, now if you were getting a lot of lag, a faster video card could do the trick. Generally motion less than 80fps (I say 90 personally) will induce motion sickness so you would have to determine if that was the case or not. If not, look at some of the RUclips videos on VR Motion Sickness because you will likely have to train yourself not to be motion sick as I said before. Good Luck, I hope you can work it out.
Thanks for the positive comments. This was actually my very first episode... I've been told that I get even more relaxed on my later episodes. There was so much going through my head when I made this one... are the lights right? Is the camera still recording? Am I staying in frame? In the end it seemed to turn out fine and I'm glad people are enjoying it.
Thanks! They say your first youtube video always sucks so I figured I'd get that out of the way :). I will be doing several segments on my DOF H6 motion platform in the future, along with other game related videos. Appreciate the comment!
@@Sergeant898 Thanks for the comment, appreciate the compliments. I'm planning a whole series coming up. Between getting new equipment and scripting out the episodes it is taking a little time. I'm planning on a quick mod video for the HP G2 next, and then hope to start the series on the DOF Reality H6. Already been working on B-Roll and game captures for the new episodes. Please stay tuned!
this is concise and well said. i have owned a million headsets and i am sticking with g2 i have had it years. for you i recommend vr-wave prescription lenses. They rule. somtimes i loose tracking for a bit in game then it snaps back. g2 is hard to beat, i wish it had bigger sweet spot and fov though. For controllers in normal games i use index controlers connected with Spacecalibrator
Thanks for the comment brainbb177. My new glasses fit fine in the G2, so no problems there now, but I did just buy some VR Optician lenses for the Aero, so we will see how those work. Do the vr-wave have the magnetics? If so are they still really thick? I was worried about that and why I went with just the snap in lenses. BTW, I still think the G2 is the best value in PCVR, so I totally understand your position. I'll own either a Pimax Crystal or Pimax 12k QLED next, I need to replace my Vive Pro for Roomscale and I won't go back to tethered so the wireless option on the Pimax has me intrigued. Appreciate you watching our stuff!
@@GYGOtv great vid. the vr-wave just snap on, not magnetic, not very thick, aprox 4mm or so. they snap kinda loose i thought they would fall off but have never come loose over many months. i also want crystal, but my pimax 4k lenses always felt like they gave a bit of eyestrain, and a reviewer said there was eyestrain on crystal
@@brianbb177 Well we will see how the VR Optician lenses fit in comparison. Maybe with the aspheric lenses it wouldn't be as bad? But probably if you got eyestrain before, it would probably still have it on the Crystal, but I really don't know. I'm fortunate not to get eyestrain, but would imagine it isn't very pleasant. Thanks for the tip about VR Wave and thanks for watching.
Great video. I had the Vive pro 2 preordered at launch, cancelled… and then been on the fence ever since. Really love my Vive Pro and Index but looks like I’ll be sticking with those a while longer.
I feel your pain... REALLY wanted the Vive Pro 2 to be good. Hoping that maybe Varjo comes out with a consumer model of their VR-3 headset. That will likely be my next one if they do.
@@GYGOtv have you checked out any of the pimax hmds? Their new sword lite controllers and 8k is pretty appealing. I’ve heard mixed things, some people are diehard pimax fans and others have a lot of issues.
From what I understand the Pimax will give you that great Field of View, but the resolution pixel density isn't there. SO it is kind of a trade off between wanting to see wider or do you want to be able to see things more clearly. As a flight sim enthusiast I want to be able to read my gauges and I'll turn my head to see left and right. Also my understanding is the Pimax doesn't look clear out to the edges so you won't really get to use the full FOV, the outside gives you more of an effect of wideness vs. actually being usable to see clearly. Full disclosure, I have never tried the Pimax but I did do a lot of research and that was what I found out. Hope that helps.
Interesting, I think some people have mentioned that in the past. Realistically my G2 is pretty much collecting dust as I use the Aero almost all the time now. Appreciate the suggestion and the comment though. If you want to give more detail, it might help others who read this. Thanks!!!
Well I guess if he needs a body double or a decoy, I can start a new career if this RUclips thing doesn't work out? Always good to have options right? :)
Thanks for this very informative review. I'm looking to upgrade my Rift S and was looking at both the Reverb G2 and the Vive Pro 2 but now I think I'll just take the G2. I would probably also hate the glare on the Vive Pro 2 because I play space games a lot.
Glad the review helped, ya unfortunately stay away from the Pro 2 if you play those kind of games. The G2 does a pretty good job... just have to get used to things not being perfectly black. You can check out my Buyer's Guide if you want more info (ruclips.net/video/l61-oqyZZL8/видео.html). Thanks for the comment and the view!
So I got insanely sick iracing with the HP Reverb g2... so sick I threw it out, didn't irace 6 months, then when I came back to my triples took me about a month before I didn't feel vr sick without vr. Will the new vive be better for me?
Hi Squiggy, sorry to hear about your experience. Unfortunately some people are just prone to motion sickness in VR so I don't think any specific headset will make that go away. If you still want to work through it, there are several RUclips videos with suggestions that you can look up, but I'll recap the basics here. The big thing is you have to train yourself not to become motion sick in VR and it takes time. Basically you play until you just start to feel sick AND THEN YOU STOP. You repeat this over time and you should find yourself able to play for longer and longer periods. NEVER "push through" and keep playing once sickness starts... This can lead to a psychosomatic response to VR that causes the sickness and is MUCH more difficult to overcome once it develops. Some people also find the use of Ginger or even over the counter medication like Dramamine to help. I've also heard that using a Motion Platform also helps (but that is a really expensive albeit fun solution). I hope that answers you question and good luck if you choose to tackle this issue!
@@GYGOtv I have the DOF Reality P3 with wind; now and when I had the VR headset and it didn't help. Just curious if the new Vive would be better. My friend who also iraces also got sick with my headset. I had 2 1080ti 11GB MSI gamer cards running quad monitors when I had the HP Reverb G2. Now have 49" curved with 2x24"'s above for stats and stuff with an MSI 4090 gamer x 24GB trio. FPS on screen has gone from 80-120 mid graphics to 150-400 fps full graphics.
@@SquiggyWigginz Thanks for the info on the motion platform, I've heard it helps but I guess not for everyone. I don't think The Vive Pro 2 VR headset is going to help with motion sickness, now if you were getting a lot of lag, a faster video card could do the trick. Generally motion less than 80fps (I say 90 personally) will induce motion sickness so you would have to determine if that was the case or not. If not, look at some of the RUclips videos because you will likely have to train yourself not to be motion sick as I said before. Good Luck, I hope you can work it out.
To set up vive pro 2 strictly for sim drifting, do I need the controllers? I don’t plan on playing any other games other then sin drifting. I have a force feed back wheel and that’s all I need but I don’t know if I need the controllers to do an initial set up for the headset. Thanks
I didn't keep the Vive Pro 2 so I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine is is just like the Vive Pro etc. In that case you will need at least one controller to be able to access Steam and select stuff. You could look for an old Vive Wand amzn.to/3uhlDUd which would probably be pretty cheap now or look for something used. Hope that helps and thanks for the comment.
Thanks for watching ZeffyZ. Yep sorry about that. I don't always go into the detailed specs because you can find those just about anywhere on the internet with just a little effort. The HP IPD range is 60 to 68, and the Vive Pro is 61 to 72. You can easily go to vr-compare.com/ for questions like this on almost all headsets if you have questions like this in the future.
@@GYGOtv Yeah I knew the IPD specs, just wandered if it was an issue for you like I said, but I guess within range then. Just asking since I'm outside and curious if it's a problem.
@@ZeffyZAhh, no the IPD Range was ok for me even with my 69.5 falling out of the range of the HP G2. Honestly, the G2 is so old now I'd recommend a Quest 3 instead if you are looking at headsets. Thanks again for watching.
@@GYGOtv Is it that much better though? I'm anyway just trying this out and these are reasonably priced second hand ATM. Also seems better with a dedicated graphics cable to avoid lag for simracing. Cheers.
@@ZeffyZO' YES the Quest 3 IS MUCH BETTER, check out my latest video if you haven't yet because I talk about exactly that (talk about good timing on your part) ruclips.net/video/opD35xl5PwA/видео.html Anyway the Quest 3's Pancake Lenses are THE reason to get it over the older headsets. As for graphics cable, that used to be true but the Quest 3 with the new XR2 chipset is running wirelessly on PC as good as my direct cable connections use to. Anyway hope that helps.
It really depends on a lot more factors. What is your budget, what type of games do you like to play? If you can give me a little more information I'll try to help you out.
I've just ordered the G2 black friday but have available a sweet used deal on the VP2 headset (have the orig VP system now). So many contrary reviews especially with performance but most (?all) actual user reviews agree G2 wins. I think the marketing reviews stated HTC wins. Somehow, I trust your review. Anyway there's a return window so I'll try the G2. Mainly, despite desiring the higher FOV, I want the clarity of text: radios, etc. When you say you still have to lean forward with the VP2, that's the one confirmation I was curious to hear. Let's see. Thank you.
Glad I my review helped. I REALLY wanted to like the VP2 and couldn't wait to get it when it was announced. I just HATE god rays and glare and that thing was BAD in that area. Plus the "letterbox" view with the short FOV vertically was a little odd too... but not as bad as I thought it would be. Overall I do not regret sending the Vive Pro 2 back... I don't think I would have used it much even if I had kept it. The G2 is awesome resolution and perfect for reading gauges. I think you will like it.
i know that this is an older video but i just want to tell you that a new g2 v2 came out and you can also use the g2 now with out windows mixed reality and just go strait to steam vr just a heads up sorry if you all reddy know of this
Hi Mr. Ripcord, I thought I replied to this but I guess it didn't go through. Great info for the WMR tip, appreciate it. Hopefully I won't need it at all now that I have the Aero. As for the Vive Pro 2 being better than the Index... for sure, that is one reason I personally didn't even bother with the index when it was first released.
@@Pirafier Yes I love the Aero (as you can probably tell from my 4 videos about it). Great Headset for all of us who need that detail in the image. Thanks for commenting and watching my stuff. More to come in the future!!!
my dear friend, what speed of the usb port do you connect to the hp g2? I ask because my g2 stopped recognizing the usb ports of 5gb/s and 10gb/s, I bought a 3.2 gen 2 card up to 20 gb/s (international) to try to solve this, but it still hasn't arrived.
Yep, the dreaded usb drop out issue. I have mine plugged into my USB C port directly on my motherboard. I have also had it on 3.1 in the past. If you are running an AMD system make sure you update your BIOS if you haven't in the past 4 months or so. They fixed a known issue with USB dropout that was happening. Also, I have found that the plug on the actual headset can come loose easily and that can cause it not register too. And sometimes I just have to try power cycling the headset a few times to get it to work. I hope one of these ideas help you. You may also be running into an issue with a bad cable (box) if none of that fixes it. If that is the case, contact HP because their tech support has been pretty good from what I understand. There is lots of other info out there on USB connection issues and the HP Reverb G2 so be sure to keep looking and good luck.
UPDATE: HP have just released a Version 2 of the Breakout Box of the G2. It is free, all you have to do is contact tech support and tell them you are having problems with your cable. IF the person you are talking to at HP doesn't know what you're talking about, then tell them to look at the "EA" (Engineering Advisory) and search for "New 6M Cable." Apparently this fixes the issues with AMD systems as well. www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/oyk6xd/revision_2_of_the_reverb_g2_cable_and_all_the/
@@GYGOtv I found out about this on sebastian's channel but I bought mine in the US and brought it to Brazil, and I don't have an email for support, and on the phone I couldn't express myself because I speak Portuguese. I understand little English but I can't converse. thanks because you tried to help me.
Hey man, I have a G2 and just fixed a month's long issue with my computer recognizing my headset on any of the USB ports. HP came out with a version 2 cable that instantly fixed the issue for me. Ive heard they are sending them out for free but I dont know for sure since I was under warranty. If you're still having the issue reach out and ask
Excellent video, I appreciate your honesty, straight to the point comparison and would like to know your setting for the g2 in both stream and WMR. I will subscribe. Question. I still have the valve index , do you have any best setting for that headset in steam and WMR.
Thanks for the comment! In general don't really have any one setting that I use, I adjust for each game I play... As for the Index, I never got bought one of those (because the godrays and glare were too much) so no specific suggestions for that headset. But here is my process for setting up my headset to game with my HP G2. I typically set the per eye resolution to as close to 2160x2160 as possible (native for G2 headset). I then turn my game graphic settings to either Ultra or High depending on how it is running and how much visual enhancement each setting gets me. I also ALWAYS keep motion smoothing (compensation) OFF... I hate what it does to the graphics (In Elite Dangerous it makes my dashboard look like it is melting whenever my warning lights flash on and off). Then if the game is running at 90fps, I slowly bump up the resolution in Steam for some oversampling. Just as a tip, typically shadows and "atmospherics" seem to hit the GPU the hardest (after oversampling) so those are the first things to turn down if you are having performance issues. I do everything in SteamVR and pretty much leave WMR at default. I hope that helps answer your question, and thanks for watching my video.
@@GYGOtv oh yeah you play elite Dangerous too. How about star Citizen , I am giving elite a break until they put in ship interiors and reduces the grind . But now I am hook on star citizen. So great I will try that Setup procedure, that 2160 x 2160 = 100% in steam resolution setting right . Wmr resolution is 100 % or is that openXr with no motion smoothing right. Looking forward to seeing your next video. Thanks.
@@ecevansevans2566 Yes everything is SteamVR not OpenXr but I'd assume you could do either and achieve the same result. No motion smoothing in Steam VR. As for Star Citizen yes I've been into that for awhile now... My first purchase was a 325a on Feb. 28th 2014! Since then I've spent way too much money on new ships and I LOVE it. My current hanger consists of a 350R (upgraded from the 325a) / Sabre / Arrow / Dragonfly / Greycat Buggy / Carrack (upgraded from Constellation Aquila). I quit playing awhile back when my friends and I kept having sync issues, and honestly I don't want to do much more until persistence is a thing and I can keep the money I earn from build to build until they wipe at launch. I am so excited about Star Citizen and I'm really excited to see how Theaters of War works too. BTW if someone else is reading this that is thinking about starting a Star Citizen Account, if you use my Referral Code STAR-WBJT-WNNL you will get a bonus 5,000 UEC (game credits).
Thanks for the question. It is under the Steam VR settings, there is a slider that sets the "Resolution Per Eye". It ended up being 64% for the HP G2. The 100% setting typically includes oversampling, but for me I'd rather get the performance so I typically set the slider to the actual resolution of the headset itself. In this case, I bumped it up to actually more that the VIVE PRO 2 so that the video card was pushing roughly the same pixels for both headsets. That was one thing that really surprised me, even with a slightly higher resolution setting, the HP G2 still outperformed the VIVE Pro 2 by almost 10 fps.
You will need base stations for tracking to get the headset to work. It can use the old Valve lighthouses v.1 or v.2. Also no hand tracking... you will need controllers. Honestly if you are not upgrading from a previous valve VR system, it isn't worth the money for this as you will likely spend well over $1000 just to get it all working. There are MUCH better headset options for that kind of money. Right now the HP Reverb G2 is under $500 and comes with everything you need minus the computer. The only way to even consider the Vive Pro 2 would be an upgrade from one of the old systems so you don't have to buy anything else.
Great video, the Vive Pro 2 doesn't surprise me, I had the OG Vive and after that experience and seeing how HTC always seem to mess up something in their headsets (mostly the optics), I swore to myself I'd never buy another HTC headset ever again. The G2 sounds good but it being a WMR headset, it's probably great for Sims but not much else with the crappy controllers and tracking (I have a Odyssey Plus sitting in it's box probably to never see the light of day again). At this time, I am using a Valve Index and love it, I also have a Oculus Quest-2 on a different computer which I also like for PCVR over link cable. Keep up the great work! :)
Thanks for the comments, much appreciated since we are a new channel! We can only hope Valve has an Index 2 on the horizon, I think they are our best hope at getting it right. Also hoping Varjo comes out with a consumer model of their VR-3 headset... Time will tell.
@@GYGOtv Agreed, it would be great if Valve could come out with a updated Index, better panels with better resolution and maybe even much better optics to get rid of the glare and god rays would be amazing, as for eye tracking and so on, personally I have no use for it. I just wish HMD manufacturers would find a alternative to Fresnel lenses, they are currently VR's biggest problem (Glare, god rays, fairly small to itty bitty sweet spot, etc). Oculus patented their Hybrid Fresnel lenses, and to this day, starting with the Rift-S, I think they have the best VR optics on the market. As for Varjo, a affordable model is something I'll believe when I see LOL.
@@jackr.749 And as long as we are dreaming here... wouldn't it be great if Valve partnered with Varjo to use some of their tech (lenses and panels) to make a consumer version? Just getting away from the fresnel lenses would solve the majority of my issues with current HMD's. Or how about bringing back OLED screens with a higher resolution... I really miss OLED, I still can't get used to the "grey" in dark scenes (Hello Elite Dangerous) when it should be black.
@@GYGOtv Dang, I really like your dreams!!!! LOL As for LCD vs OLED, at this time it seems to be a compromise, Pure blacks with SDE or dark grey with little SDE, personally I chose less SDE and sacrifice the pure blacks. My Index is gone right now for RMA (a couple dead pixels appeared in the left panel) so I fired up my old Rift CV1 (OLED) and I did notice the intense level of black. But that SDE especially with the much lower res is hard to swallow! LOL Oh how I miss my Index! :(
From 2:25 you can see in the image on the right that the resolution of the hp reverb g2 is 2524x2472. it must have been difficult to get one, because it has a resolution of 2160 anyway
Thanks for the comment Doe John. The point of the comparison was to check computer performance, so to make it as fair as possible I upsampled the image going to the HP G2 so the computer would have to work just as hard as it did driving the Vive Pro 2. That way it was a more fair comparison and if you watched, you would see that the G2 STILL performed better. So at the G2's native resolution it would have beat the Pro 2 even worse. Obviously the resolution of the G2 did not magically increase when I did that. Sorry it confused you.
Now that is a tricky question... I still own and use my Pro for roomscale, and I sent back the Pro2, so I guess that means yes. However, in this day and age I actually wouldn't recommend either. I'd take the G2. See my video for beginners here ruclips.net/video/l61-oqyZZL8/видео.html
Would love to do these in 4k, unfortunately I'm doing this out of my own pocket and can't afford a 4k camera right now. Sorry to hear you couldn't see what you wanted to see in HD, but it looks like others have been able to enjoy the video, so for now I'm stuck in Standard HD, Sorry. If you would like to donate to my channel, I can set up a Patreon account :)
I love your comments Willy!!! I Love Oled too, I'm a self-proclaimed OLED SNOB for sure, and it is nice to see someone possibly more passionate that I am about OLED. Unfortunately, not sure many new headsets are going to to have OLED, but we can hope.
In the end I returned my Vive Pro 2 as well. Like you said, glare is bad (similar to Index). Secondly I did feel the same about clarity when directly comparing G2 to VP2 - G2 definitely feels clearer and sharper. I think it's because of VP2 lenses and maybe pixel density might be slightly worse as well? VP2 image feels "soft".
I was disappointed by Pimax 8KX and now VP2. Despite G2's limited FOV (98 hFOV and 90 vFOV for me) I still like it the best. Obviously the largest FOV (Pimax) means nothing, if everything else sucks and the highest resolution (VP2) again means little, if the lenses are cannot properly deliver that high res image to your eyes.
I only wish I could get my hands on Varjo VR-3, that'd be awesome.
Yep, I think you and I had the same experience. I'm looking forward to seeing what Valve comes up with... I feel a little like Princess Leia "Help me Valve Index 2, you are my only hope..."
@@GYGOtv what about the Varjo aero or pro? Think that would help with motion sickness? Looking at their website now and they are having a black Friday sale, but I would hate to just get them and throw away another VR headset. What do you think?
@@SquiggyWigginzHi Squiggly, as I mentioned on the other comment I don't think any specific VR headset is going to help with your motion sickness, now if you were getting a lot of lag, a faster video card could do the trick. Generally motion less than 80fps (I say 90 personally) will induce motion sickness so you would have to determine if that was the case or not. If not, look at some of the RUclips videos on VR Motion Sickness because you will likely have to train yourself not to be motion sick as I said before. Good Luck, I hope you can work it out.
Exellent review glad i use the reverb G2
Fantastic review ! Precise and to the point . Keep em coming , you are very well spoken and easy to follow !
Thanks for the positive comments. This was actually my very first episode... I've been told that I get even more relaxed on my later episodes. There was so much going through my head when I made this one... are the lights right? Is the camera still recording? Am I staying in frame? In the end it seemed to turn out fine and I'm glad people are enjoying it.
Super video! Really loved the video and exactly matched my expectations. Wow, well done thanks for the great contribution
Appreciate the comment and feedback. I'll keep making them as long as people keep enjoying them.
Thanks for your video, I almost bought the Vive Pro 2.
Glad I could help, I know I really went back and forth before I bought it too.
Great review! Very professional. I am looking forward to seeing more vids!
Thanks! They say your first youtube video always sucks so I figured I'd get that out of the way :). I will be doing several segments on my DOF H6 motion platform in the future, along with other game related videos. Appreciate the comment!
@@GYGOtv Cant wait
@@GYGOtv I had no idea that was your first ever video. It was to the point and well presented. You should make more.
@@Sergeant898 Thanks for the comment, appreciate the compliments. I'm planning a whole series coming up. Between getting new equipment and scripting out the episodes it is taking a little time. I'm planning on a quick mod video for the HP G2 next, and then hope to start the series on the DOF Reality H6. Already been working on B-Roll and game captures for the new episodes. Please stay tuned!
this is concise and well said. i have owned a million headsets and i am sticking with g2 i have had it years. for you i recommend vr-wave prescription lenses. They rule. somtimes i loose tracking for a bit in game then it snaps back. g2 is hard to beat, i wish it had bigger sweet spot and fov though. For controllers in normal games i use index controlers connected with Spacecalibrator
Thanks for the comment brainbb177. My new glasses fit fine in the G2, so no problems there now, but I did just buy some VR Optician lenses for the Aero, so we will see how those work. Do the vr-wave have the magnetics? If so are they still really thick? I was worried about that and why I went with just the snap in lenses. BTW, I still think the G2 is the best value in PCVR, so I totally understand your position. I'll own either a Pimax Crystal or Pimax 12k QLED next, I need to replace my Vive Pro for Roomscale and I won't go back to tethered so the wireless option on the Pimax has me intrigued. Appreciate you watching our stuff!
@@GYGOtv great vid. the vr-wave just snap on, not magnetic, not very thick, aprox 4mm or so. they snap kinda loose i thought they would fall off but have never come loose over many months. i also want crystal, but my pimax 4k lenses always felt like they gave a bit of eyestrain, and a reviewer said there was eyestrain on crystal
@@brianbb177 Well we will see how the VR Optician lenses fit in comparison. Maybe with the aspheric lenses it wouldn't be as bad? But probably if you got eyestrain before, it would probably still have it on the Crystal, but I really don't know. I'm fortunate not to get eyestrain, but would imagine it isn't very pleasant. Thanks for the tip about VR Wave and thanks for watching.
Thank you for this detailed review. Looking forward to getting my G2.
Thanks for watching! Hope you enjoy the G2 as much as I have!
Hi,
Very good video, clear and simple to help us !
Glad it helped, thanks for watching my content.
Great video. I had the Vive pro 2 preordered at launch, cancelled… and then been on the fence ever since. Really love my Vive Pro and Index but looks like I’ll be sticking with those a while longer.
I feel your pain... REALLY wanted the Vive Pro 2 to be good. Hoping that maybe Varjo comes out with a consumer model of their VR-3 headset. That will likely be my next one if they do.
@@GYGOtv have you checked out any of the pimax hmds? Their new sword lite controllers and 8k is pretty appealing. I’ve heard mixed things, some people are diehard pimax fans and others have a lot of issues.
From what I understand the Pimax will give you that great Field of View, but the resolution pixel density isn't there. SO it is kind of a trade off between wanting to see wider or do you want to be able to see things more clearly. As a flight sim enthusiast I want to be able to read my gauges and I'll turn my head to see left and right. Also my understanding is the Pimax doesn't look clear out to the edges so you won't really get to use the full FOV, the outside gives you more of an effect of wideness vs. actually being usable to see clearly. Full disclosure, I have never tried the Pimax but I did do a lot of research and that was what I found out. Hope that helps.
awesome review!!!
Thanks, appreciate the comment and the views!
Thank you so much for this review.
You are welcome, thanks for watching my content!
There is a open vr .dll file that bypass steam vr all together if you like more detail for the HP reverb G2
Interesting, I think some people have mentioned that in the past. Realistically my G2 is pretty much collecting dust as I use the Aero almost all the time now. Appreciate the suggestion and the comment though. If you want to give more detail, it might help others who read this. Thanks!!!
Very good job. Liked it and appreciated the info. Thanks.
Thanks, appreciate you spending some time to take a look at my content. Hope it was helpful.
@@GYGOtv Because I wear glasses and suffer motion sickness from such devices, it was indeed helpful and informative. Great job!
for a moment then i thought you were sir Gaben
Well I guess if he needs a body double or a decoy, I can start a new career if this RUclips thing doesn't work out? Always good to have options right? :)
Now I know I'm not crazy. Vive Pro 2 is not up to snuff and the godrays are utter insanity.
Glad I came across this video.
I'm glad you did too :) Hope you enjoy some of the other videos on the channel. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for this very informative review. I'm looking to upgrade my Rift S and was looking at both the Reverb G2 and the Vive Pro 2 but now I think I'll just take the G2. I would probably also hate the glare on the Vive Pro 2 because I play space games a lot.
Glad the review helped, ya unfortunately stay away from the Pro 2 if you play those kind of games. The G2 does a pretty good job... just have to get used to things not being perfectly black. You can check out my Buyer's Guide if you want more info (ruclips.net/video/l61-oqyZZL8/видео.html). Thanks for the comment and the view!
Another well made video. You are really good at sim equipment and associated products. Thumbs up!
Okay, okay. Back to work.
Thanks for the compliment, I'm glad people are enjoying the content. Stay tuned for more!
So I got insanely sick iracing with the HP Reverb g2... so sick I threw it out, didn't irace 6 months, then when I came back to my triples took me about a month before I didn't feel vr sick without vr. Will the new vive be better for me?
Hi Squiggy, sorry to hear about your experience. Unfortunately some people are just prone to motion sickness in VR so I don't think any specific headset will make that go away. If you still want to work through it, there are several RUclips videos with suggestions that you can look up, but I'll recap the basics here. The big thing is you have to train yourself not to become motion sick in VR and it takes time. Basically you play until you just start to feel sick AND THEN YOU STOP. You repeat this over time and you should find yourself able to play for longer and longer periods. NEVER "push through" and keep playing once sickness starts... This can lead to a psychosomatic response to VR that causes the sickness and is MUCH more difficult to overcome once it develops. Some people also find the use of Ginger or even over the counter medication like Dramamine to help. I've also heard that using a Motion Platform also helps (but that is a really expensive albeit fun solution). I hope that answers you question and good luck if you choose to tackle this issue!
@@GYGOtv I have the DOF Reality P3 with wind; now and when I had the VR headset and it didn't help. Just curious if the new Vive would be better. My friend who also iraces also got sick with my headset. I had 2 1080ti 11GB MSI gamer cards running quad monitors when I had the HP Reverb G2. Now have 49" curved with 2x24"'s above for stats and stuff with an MSI 4090 gamer x 24GB trio. FPS on screen has gone from 80-120 mid graphics to 150-400 fps full graphics.
@@SquiggyWigginz Thanks for the info on the motion platform, I've heard it helps but I guess not for everyone. I don't think The Vive Pro 2 VR headset is going to help with motion sickness, now if you were getting a lot of lag, a faster video card could do the trick. Generally motion less than 80fps (I say 90 personally) will induce motion sickness so you would have to determine if that was the case or not. If not, look at some of the RUclips videos because you will likely have to train yourself not to be motion sick as I said before. Good Luck, I hope you can work it out.
To set up vive pro 2 strictly for sim drifting, do I need the controllers? I don’t plan on playing any other games other then sin drifting. I have a force feed back wheel and that’s all I need but I don’t know if I need the controllers to do an initial set up for the headset. Thanks
I didn't keep the Vive Pro 2 so I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine is is just like the Vive Pro etc. In that case you will need at least one controller to be able to access Steam and select stuff. You could look for an old Vive Wand amzn.to/3uhlDUd which would probably be pretty cheap now or look for something used. Hope that helps and thanks for the comment.
Thanks for the detailed review, but you didn't touch on IPD. Both within range?
Thanks for watching ZeffyZ. Yep sorry about that. I don't always go into the detailed specs because you can find those just about anywhere on the internet with just a little effort. The HP IPD range is 60 to 68, and the Vive Pro is 61 to 72. You can easily go to vr-compare.com/ for questions like this on almost all headsets if you have questions like this in the future.
@@GYGOtv Yeah I knew the IPD specs, just wandered if it was an issue for you like I said, but I guess within range then. Just asking since I'm outside and curious if it's a problem.
@@ZeffyZAhh, no the IPD Range was ok for me even with my 69.5 falling out of the range of the HP G2. Honestly, the G2 is so old now I'd recommend a Quest 3 instead if you are looking at headsets. Thanks again for watching.
@@GYGOtv Is it that much better though? I'm anyway just trying this out and these are reasonably priced second hand ATM. Also seems better with a dedicated graphics cable to avoid lag for simracing. Cheers.
@@ZeffyZO' YES the Quest 3 IS MUCH BETTER, check out my latest video if you haven't yet because I talk about exactly that (talk about good timing on your part) ruclips.net/video/opD35xl5PwA/видео.html Anyway the Quest 3's Pancake Lenses are THE reason to get it over the older headsets. As for graphics cable, that used to be true but the Quest 3 with the new XR2 chipset is running wirelessly on PC as good as my direct cable connections use to. Anyway hope that helps.
G2 is harder to get. What would you recommend other than HP and for Open XR to work. Thank you
It really depends on a lot more factors. What is your budget, what type of games do you like to play? If you can give me a little more information I'll try to help you out.
I've just ordered the G2 black friday but have available a sweet used deal on the VP2 headset (have the orig VP system now). So many contrary reviews especially with performance but most (?all) actual user reviews agree G2 wins. I think the marketing reviews stated HTC wins. Somehow, I trust your review. Anyway there's a return window so I'll try the G2. Mainly, despite desiring the higher FOV, I want the clarity of text: radios, etc. When you say you still have to lean forward with the VP2, that's the one confirmation I was curious to hear. Let's see. Thank you.
Glad I my review helped. I REALLY wanted to like the VP2 and couldn't wait to get it when it was announced. I just HATE god rays and glare and that thing was BAD in that area. Plus the "letterbox" view with the short FOV vertically was a little odd too... but not as bad as I thought it would be. Overall I do not regret sending the Vive Pro 2 back... I don't think I would have used it much even if I had kept it. The G2 is awesome resolution and perfect for reading gauges. I think you will like it.
Hey Gabe!
Well Hi... but my name is Mark, not Gabe. Hope you still enjoy the content anyway. :)
i know that this is an older video but i just want to tell you that a new g2 v2 came out and you can also use the g2 now with out windows mixed reality and just go strait to steam vr just a heads up sorry if you all reddy know of this
also if you think the vive pro 2 was bad with glare cand god rays let me tell yah the index is like 2 times worse
Hi Mr. Ripcord, I thought I replied to this but I guess it didn't go through. Great info for the WMR tip, appreciate it. Hopefully I won't need it at all now that I have the Aero. As for the Vive Pro 2 being better than the Index... for sure, that is one reason I personally didn't even bother with the index when it was first released.
@@GYGOtv nice you have the aero im gelly thats a great head set nice
@@Pirafier Yes I love the Aero (as you can probably tell from my 4 videos about it). Great Headset for all of us who need that detail in the image. Thanks for commenting and watching my stuff. More to come in the future!!!
@@GYGOtv sounds fun
my dear friend, what speed of the usb port do you connect to the hp g2? I ask because my g2 stopped recognizing the usb ports of 5gb/s and 10gb/s, I bought a 3.2 gen 2 card up to 20 gb/s (international) to try to solve this, but it still hasn't arrived.
Yep, the dreaded usb drop out issue. I have mine plugged into my USB C port directly on my motherboard. I have also had it on 3.1 in the past. If you are running an AMD system make sure you update your BIOS if you haven't in the past 4 months or so. They fixed a known issue with USB dropout that was happening. Also, I have found that the plug on the actual headset can come loose easily and that can cause it not register too. And sometimes I just have to try power cycling the headset a few times to get it to work. I hope one of these ideas help you. You may also be running into an issue with a bad cable (box) if none of that fixes it. If that is the case, contact HP because their tech support has been pretty good from what I understand. There is lots of other info out there on USB connection issues and the HP Reverb G2 so be sure to keep looking and good luck.
@@GYGOtv thank you friend, especially for your attention and dedication.
UPDATE: HP have just released a Version 2 of the Breakout Box of the G2. It is free, all you have to do is contact tech support and tell them you are having problems with your cable. IF the person you are talking to at HP doesn't know what you're talking about, then tell them to look at the "EA" (Engineering Advisory) and search for "New 6M Cable." Apparently this fixes the issues with AMD systems as well.
www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/oyk6xd/revision_2_of_the_reverb_g2_cable_and_all_the/
@@GYGOtv I found out about this on sebastian's channel but I bought mine in the US and brought it to Brazil, and I don't have an email for support, and on the phone I couldn't express myself because I speak Portuguese. I understand little English but I can't converse. thanks because you tried to help me.
Hey man, I have a G2 and just fixed a month's long issue with my computer recognizing my headset on any of the USB ports. HP came out with a version 2 cable that instantly fixed the issue for me. Ive heard they are sending them out for free but I dont know for sure since I was under warranty. If you're still having the issue reach out and ask
Excellent video, I appreciate your honesty, straight to the point comparison and would like to know your setting for the g2 in both stream and WMR. I will subscribe. Question. I still have the valve index , do you have any best setting for that headset in steam and WMR.
Thanks for the comment! In general don't really have any one setting that I use, I adjust for each game I play... As for the Index, I never got bought one of those (because the godrays and glare were too much) so no specific suggestions for that headset. But here is my process for setting up my headset to game with my HP G2. I typically set the per eye resolution to as close to 2160x2160 as possible (native for G2 headset). I then turn my game graphic settings to either Ultra or High depending on how it is running and how much visual enhancement each setting gets me. I also ALWAYS keep motion smoothing (compensation) OFF... I hate what it does to the graphics (In Elite Dangerous it makes my dashboard look like it is melting whenever my warning lights flash on and off). Then if the game is running at 90fps, I slowly bump up the resolution in Steam for some oversampling. Just as a tip, typically shadows and "atmospherics" seem to hit the GPU the hardest (after oversampling) so those are the first things to turn down if you are having performance issues. I do everything in SteamVR and pretty much leave WMR at default. I hope that helps answer your question, and thanks for watching my video.
@@GYGOtv oh yeah you play elite Dangerous too. How about star Citizen , I am giving elite a break until they put in ship interiors and reduces the grind . But now I am hook on star citizen. So great I will try that Setup procedure, that 2160 x 2160 = 100% in steam resolution setting right . Wmr resolution is 100 % or is that openXr with no motion smoothing right. Looking forward to seeing your next video. Thanks.
@@ecevansevans2566 Yes everything is SteamVR not OpenXr but I'd assume you could do either and achieve the same result. No motion smoothing in Steam VR. As for Star Citizen yes I've been into that for awhile now... My first purchase was a 325a on Feb. 28th 2014! Since then I've spent way too much money on new ships and I LOVE it. My current hanger consists of a 350R (upgraded from the 325a) / Sabre / Arrow / Dragonfly / Greycat Buggy / Carrack (upgraded from Constellation Aquila). I quit playing awhile back when my friends and I kept having sync issues, and honestly I don't want to do much more until persistence is a thing and I can keep the money I earn from build to build until they wipe at launch. I am so excited about Star Citizen and I'm really excited to see how Theaters of War works too. BTW if someone else is reading this that is thinking about starting a Star Citizen Account, if you use my Referral Code STAR-WBJT-WNNL you will get a bonus 5,000 UEC (game credits).
How did you get 2524 x 2472 per eye for the HP Reverb G2??? 2:26
Thanks for the question. It is under the Steam VR settings, there is a slider that sets the "Resolution Per Eye". It ended up being 64% for the HP G2. The 100% setting typically includes oversampling, but for me I'd rather get the performance so I typically set the slider to the actual resolution of the headset itself. In this case, I bumped it up to actually more that the VIVE PRO 2 so that the video card was pushing roughly the same pixels for both headsets. That was one thing that really surprised me, even with a slightly higher resolution setting, the HP G2 still outperformed the VIVE Pro 2 by almost 10 fps.
Do you need the full package or just the headset to use the vive pro2? Does it support a hand motion?
You will need base stations for tracking to get the headset to work. It can use the old Valve lighthouses v.1 or v.2. Also no hand tracking... you will need controllers. Honestly if you are not upgrading from a previous valve VR system, it isn't worth the money for this as you will likely spend well over $1000 just to get it all working. There are MUCH better headset options for that kind of money. Right now the HP Reverb G2 is under $500 and comes with everything you need minus the computer. The only way to even consider the Vive Pro 2 would be an upgrade from one of the old systems so you don't have to buy anything else.
@@GYGOtv thank you very much.
Great video, the Vive Pro 2 doesn't surprise me, I had the OG Vive and after that experience and seeing how HTC always seem to mess up something in their headsets (mostly the optics), I swore to myself I'd never buy another HTC headset ever again. The G2 sounds good but it being a WMR headset, it's probably great for Sims but not much else with the crappy controllers and tracking (I have a Odyssey Plus sitting in it's box probably to never see the light of day again). At this time, I am using a Valve Index and love it, I also have a Oculus Quest-2 on a different computer which I also like for PCVR over link cable.
Keep up the great work! :)
Thanks for the comments, much appreciated since we are a new channel! We can only hope Valve has an Index 2 on the horizon, I think they are our best hope at getting it right. Also hoping Varjo comes out with a consumer model of their VR-3 headset... Time will tell.
@@GYGOtv Agreed, it would be great if Valve could come out with a updated Index, better panels with better resolution and maybe even much better optics to get rid of the glare and god rays would be amazing, as for eye tracking and so on, personally I have no use for it. I just wish HMD manufacturers would find a alternative to Fresnel lenses, they are currently VR's biggest problem (Glare, god rays, fairly small to itty bitty sweet spot, etc). Oculus patented their Hybrid Fresnel lenses, and to this day, starting with the Rift-S, I think they have the best VR optics on the market. As for Varjo, a affordable model is something I'll believe when I see LOL.
@@jackr.749 And as long as we are dreaming here... wouldn't it be great if Valve partnered with Varjo to use some of their tech (lenses and panels) to make a consumer version? Just getting away from the fresnel lenses would solve the majority of my issues with current HMD's. Or how about bringing back OLED screens with a higher resolution... I really miss OLED, I still can't get used to the "grey" in dark scenes (Hello Elite Dangerous) when it should be black.
@@GYGOtv Dang, I really like your dreams!!!! LOL
As for LCD vs OLED, at this time it seems to be a compromise, Pure blacks with SDE or dark grey with little SDE, personally I chose less SDE and sacrifice the pure blacks. My Index is gone right now for RMA (a couple dead pixels appeared in the left panel) so I fired up my old Rift CV1 (OLED) and I did notice the intense level of black. But that SDE especially with the much lower res is hard to swallow! LOL
Oh how I miss my Index! :(
From 2:25 you can see in the image on the right that the resolution of the hp reverb g2 is 2524x2472.
it must have been difficult to get one, because it has a resolution of 2160 anyway
Thanks for the comment Doe John. The point of the comparison was to check computer performance, so to make it as fair as possible I upsampled the image going to the HP G2 so the computer would have to work just as hard as it did driving the Vive Pro 2. That way it was a more fair comparison and if you watched, you would see that the G2 STILL performed better. So at the G2's native resolution it would have beat the Pro 2 even worse. Obviously the resolution of the G2 did not magically increase when I did that. Sorry it confused you.
@@GYGOtv Thanks for the reply, this escaped my notice, so the comparison is indeed fairer.
@@dmc2555 No problem, appreciate you watching our content and also appreciate our viewers keeping us honest. We do make mistakes sometimes.
Would you prefer the Vive pro 1 over the Vive pro 2?
Now that is a tricky question... I still own and use my Pro for roomscale, and I sent back the Pro2, so I guess that means yes. However, in this day and age I actually wouldn't recommend either. I'd take the G2. See my video for beginners here ruclips.net/video/l61-oqyZZL8/видео.html
Reverb G2, don't even need to watch the video.
you need 4k video option to see better res of the image. showing those videos do nothing to us the viewer
Would love to do these in 4k, unfortunately I'm doing this out of my own pocket and can't afford a 4k camera right now. Sorry to hear you couldn't see what you wanted to see in HD, but it looks like others have been able to enjoy the video, so for now I'm stuck in Standard HD, Sorry. If you would like to donate to my channel, I can set up a Patreon account :)
Bro you probably get this alot but you totally look like young Gaben!!!
Is that a good or bad thing? :)
No Oled no deal.
I love your comments Willy!!! I Love Oled too, I'm a self-proclaimed OLED SNOB for sure, and it is nice to see someone possibly more passionate that I am about OLED. Unfortunately, not sure many new headsets are going to to have OLED, but we can hope.
Logitech g29 is the best wheel, u are killing all the inmersion
See previous reply to the comment you made on my other video... "You are entitled to your opinion"