PICO 4 vs HP REVERB G2: WHICH IS BETTER? MSFS 13900K, RTX 4090
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- I've been asked this question so many times this past week, so now I've had the Pico 4 for well over a week, here's my conclusion of whether you should upgrade from the HP Reverb G2. As usual, the answer isn't so clear cut, so make sure you watch the whole video.
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I totally forgot to mention the active cooling of the Pico 4, it makes such a difference.
Totally agree the pico 4 with its air cooling and the 4090 in godlike mode is so amazing
Did you talk about the ccp having access to all your data using the Pico 4?
Have you ordered the new Yaw vr 2?
@@jimj2683 Me? That's a negative.
@@pnwdetectorists9544 , they sent me 100$ for the shop and told me that my datas are now protected from NSA. 😎
I’ve been watching your channel for ages. I have had msfs20 for ages but my 2070 struggled to run it in vr so I have barely played it. I just bought a 4090 system and have finally unlocked the virtual skies. It is truly wonderful.
Wow that's a huge upgrade Richard, congrats! Thankyou for supporting the channel for so long too, Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you too Steve!
You think that a 3090 could do it?
@@guidogianbastiani5130 should be able to. im on a 3080 and its playable on my quest 2. but im also on a 13700k platform.
This is the review I've been waiting for. I don't care about mobile games on the Pico or the Quest. I just want to know how well it performs on PC.
You need only rever g2 if you are flight simulator user. Or Varjo Aero if you have money. If you want just play idiotic children games in steam - no diffenece!
@@nauvofact993 I have the G2. The lenses suck. It’s only sharp in the middle. My next PCVR headset has to have pancake lenses.
@@djp1234 which revision do you have? I heard the sweet spot was easier to get to with the revision 2 headsets because of the different face gasket
@@moltenhydrogen2218 I have the latest one. Out of all the headsets I've tried (PSVR 1&2, Quest 1&2), it has the worst lenses. It's only sharp in the very center. The rest of it is blurry.
@@djp1234 many reviewers call the reverb g2 the best headset when it comes to clarity. Maybe you have a defective set or set up ipd wrong.
as someone who also switched from G2 to Pico4, I think the one thing you failed to mention about the Pico is the battery. To me, some kind of battery pack solution like the Bobovr or a random battery in a pocket is a MUST for the Pico, otherwise you are limited to about two hours of battery life.
How do you feel about the switch from the G2 to the Pico? I've got a G2 v2 but I can't stand anymore all the quirks about terrible tracking, audio cutouts and general unreliability so I'm wondering the same change you made.
12600k/3080ti here as a reference
@@CiabaMusic no regrets here but I have a 4090 so my Pico is pushed to max quality. don't know how well it will run on other systems, I think VRflightsimguy may have some newer videos of it on a 4070 which is roughly 3080 equivalent
might be worth waiting to see the Quest 3 launch in about a month though
It'd be great if you shared your settings and the resulting stats you get, for reference.
I have the Pico 4 and didn't really think of PCVR. I bought virtual desktop, and used the Pico as an afterthought, and it's amazing. I was stunned by the low latency and graphics. The lack of wires makes all the difference. Also, if you buy an after market facial interface, your FoV will be incredible.
Wuts dat, could you link it
@@franky4fingers682 just Google AMVR and Pico 4
I agree can you post the link for it?
@@christianjoanis2017 can you post links on RUclips? Either way, I got mine from Amazon.
Good stuff Steve, pretty much mirrors my experience with the Quest Pro, although I use USB-C rather than Virtual Desktop.
It's surprising just how much fresnel lenses have degraded the overall visual experience probably far more than we realised until moving on to better lenses.
On another note, PCSpecialist surprised me by saying my PC is built and awaiting dispatch on Monday so barring any more delivery company disasters I'll be in the 13900k 4090 club in time for Christmas!
YES!! I'm so excited for you Kevin. You're going to be in VR heaven with this system coupled with the Quest Pro..cheers mate and merry Christmas!
I am having a problem with this comparison.
I am on a 3080 and the HP Reverb G2 is just about twice the price (662£) here in Sweden as compared to the Pico 4 (370£).
So if you do not run the games in "godlike", but in a lower setting, would the Pico 4 be worth it?
Or should i get a G2?
Any help would be great as i am looking to buy this x-mas.
what is "Godlike" ?
All I can say Steve is WOW!!! Picked up mine today from Argos (£339 at the minute) and I can say that with a 3090 running in Ultra on VD it absolutely blows the Quest 2 out of the water and that's against the Quest 2 wired, though a wifi 6 route it completely outclasses the Quest 2, thanks again to you and to Mark for his setting video
That's awesome Paul nice one. You'll never go back to fresnel lenses again now ;)
Nice review. After having saved up for a 4090 and a new VR headset to replace my old Rift S I'm now really wondering if I should go Reverb G2 V2 or Quest Pro. I hope you'll get to do a comparison between Quest Pro and Reverb one day.
Nice review and very timely. I had the chance to try the Pico 4 at Westfields in London yesterday but only using Superhot so a very limited demo. For me the FoV is noticabley bigger even if you use the VRCovers thin padding. The clarity is also there throughout the headset even in a title like Superhot. Unfortunately for me it then falls apart a little. This standalone game resolution clearly wasn't the full 2160 x 2160 and the brightness was really low, I can't be sure if it was purposely turned down. The controller felt cheap even compared to the G2 controllers, tracking was great though and the audio was ok. The biggest issue though was the comfort, I think it was lighter than the G2 but the facial padding is awful, didn't fit my face at all. I'll be giving the Pico 4 a miss for now until I can test it properly with a better alternative facial padding as I've clearly not seen it in it's best light.
Superhot is not optimised for Pico4 it is basically a Quest2 game upscaled to the larger Pico4 screen. The only optimised Pico4 game at the moment is Red Matter2
Would you say the head movement tracking is better or on par with G2? Lower brightness is a dealbreaker for me, as one gets older one need more, not less.
@@lars4065 the Pico 4 tracking was really good. Didn't have any glitches, all seemed to be as you would expect.
You hit the nail on the head, I bought a Reverb G2 just to try it because of all of the hype, I returned it ultimately because the sweet spot was the size of a dime.
I’d still recommend the pico 4 over g2 if you’re about to buy a headset. G2 has been discontinued and don’t know if will be supported for long. The performance should be the same with the new VD update, 4090 or 3060, similar fps different headsets.
The G2 has not been discontinued at all.
Future generation I meant. Their just selling their leftover stock now. Look it uo
@@johnmann7o2 I did and I couldn't find any news about it being discontinued as you said. The only thing I could find was a rumour from someone who spoke with an hp employee. Could you show me an article where it's stated what you are saying?
That was really informing. I'm currently running a g2 on a 3090 TI in openXR and really enjoying it. A solid 45+ fps and smoother than a babies bottom. But I think now when I do upgrade my VR in the future (started with the Rift S, then Oculus Quest 2, now the G2) I'll remember your advice on the pancake lenses. Thanks for the video, mate. Cheers.
Did you run into any issues pairing the reverb g2 with the 3090ti?
@@BruceyEmpire great question and the answer is yes, but it was an easy fix with a Cable Matters active displayport repeater. No need for a PCI Hub or whatever, the displayport repeater did the trick just fine.
@@StormBat Thanks for the info. Glad to hear that it’s an easy fix👍🏼
Excellent explanation of the differences and advantages of the two. Great video.
Thankyou 🙏
Good stuff. I mainly use my Pico4 in standalone when I am not at home as it is so small an light. Great for 3d and VR movies and some games like Warplanes. However as you know only Red Matter2 is optimised for Pico4 and it looks fantastic. The others are basically upscaled Quest2 games which look a bit worse than on the Quest2. At home I only really play WarThunder on PCVR with a GTX 1660 Super and that runs quite good on the Pico4. So it looks like it is time to save up for a 4090 and get into DCS and MSFS in VR
@VRFlightSimGuy
can agree with everything, as a Pico4 and G2 (and index, and pimax, ...)-owner
You should try: use the pico without the gasket.. try it ! you get much bigger fov
for me i get about 15° more horizontal FOV than with gasket, and land horizontaly in the Index-category !
If the difference is that minute then it only makes sense to get the pico 4. And with the Pico4, you could also use it without a PC for watching movies or playing dedicated VR games.
I agree, but only if you have a beefy GPU
I agree with you about the sweet spot on my G2 V2 is too small and is very noticeable when I do SIM Racing. I always seem to go back to my Rift S which has a larger sweet spot even though the Resolution is not as great as the G2. As you said, with the HP Reverb I always have to turn my head for best clarity.
Note: Too bad for us G2 users that HP has decided not to make any more VR headsets or upgrades. Was told this on another RUclips channel. They said HP might support existing headsets till 2026, but not sure about the support.
I am sill holding off on getting into wireless VR so I don't have a Pico 4. I think they are still not sold in the US, so until they do, I am not even thinking about this headset. I prefer to buy things locally in the US than the hassle of going through international sales.
So, what do we get from this video, folks ?
You need a Pico 4, a 4080 or 4090 GPU, and (something that was not mentioned in the video) a router that is capable of god mode with Virtual Desktop - so, thats another £100+ JUST to get anywhere near a G2's quality.
Pico 4 128Mb - £379 - current Amazon prices.
RTX 4080 - £1200 for FE, or £1250 MINIMUM for a vendor 4080. Or - RTX 4090 - £1600 for a FE (If you can find one, lol) or £1800+ for a vendor 4090.
Asus RT-AX55 Wi-Fi 6 AX1800 - often recommended for wireless VR + Virtual Desktop - £100.
So,
£2080 IF you can get a FE 4090. Or, £2280 for a vendor 4090.
£1679 for a 4080 FE, Router, Pico 4.
Now, current UK prices for a G2 are still stupidly high at £682 (I only paid £579 for my Version 1 G2). But, you can use it straight away if you have at least a 2080/Ti, 30 Series cards.
Now, I actually like the Pico 4, and we desperately need more competitors in the VR hardware market. But, IF you need that amount of GPU power just to get NEAR a G2, then that is a massive let-down. Obviously, if you already own a 4080/4090, and a capable Router, then you're good to go.
In my country HP-700-800EU,Pico4-479EU,I use RTX3060Ti and Pico4 is in my plans(I'm playing SIM racing and my PC will be good for Pico,I think.)
I just tried my Pico 4 with MSFS and DCS today, to see how it compares to my old trusted G2 (1st release). And... mind blown... 😯 Yes, you are right, the picture in the sweet spot is not as sharp as in the G2, but it is only slightly worse and the overall picture clarity in the P4 is way more important than that! Yeah, I have 4090/i9 13900K combo, so I have enough power for the god mode in the VD. Now what to do with G2?... Keep it or try to sell it?... I'll probably keep it, but mostly as a spare.
EDIT: I noticed some additional advantages of the Pico 4 over the G2 (at least my early version G2). First is better tracking, particularly in low light conditions (Pico has IR sensitive cameras, unlike G2 ones, which only work in visible light). Particularly when I look down at side consoles in DCS cockpits, the G2 often tracks very poorly, while P4 has no issues there. The other thing is that Pico 4 is much less fiddly. It just works. With G2 I often have problems as it either starts without sound (it is detected as an USB audio device, but there is no sound from speakers) or is not detected at all... Sometimes I have to reboot my computer and restart the G2 a couple of times before it starts working as intended. I'm sure it is just my early G2 and others probably don't exhibit such problems, but for me Pico is much less effortless to just connect and use!
Oh, and one more thing! THE FAN!!! It is absolutely fantastic thing to have in the headset! Often my G2 becomes usable only after 10 minutes of use or so, because before that, the difference in temeperature of my face and the lens causes ugly fogging, that only disappears once the temperatures equalize. No such issue with Pico 4 - the fan takes care of that 🤓
One thing to remember with Pico 4 is that the battery only lasts for about 2hrs, so not much for flying, and after that you lose the wireless experience, as you need to connect USB-C charging cable. But the cable is still thinner and more flexible than the G2 cable, so no reason to complain there 🙂
BTW, I use WiFi 5 router, so no need for WiFi 6 to get a great experience!
I use a small external battery and pop it in my shirt pocket which doubles the battery time
@@tonyk3912 for games where some mobility is required, it is certainly a good idea, but for flight simulations, where you seat in a single spot anyway, having a cable connected to the headset is actually more realistic than not having any cables 🙂
I have the exact same usb audio issue, it’s a pain in the butt! My G2 has to warm up for a while before then power cycling to get it to register as speakers and work properly!
@@pawelkrupowicz2539 You know I never thought of it that way, but you're absolutely right! 🙂
Pawel, I’m trying to build a flight sim and I was reading your reviews of the G2 and the pico.
Which one would you advise me to get, I’m training to be a pilot and I want it to be as realistic as possible.
I’m in the uk. Cheers buddy
Interesting. Did not expect the GPU encoding to be deciding factor.
Love to see this comparison with the Quest Pro thrown in. Personally I think the Quest Pro optics are far better then the Pico 4 but the Pico 4 is such a great price for what you get.
Sweet, Just ordered one for delivery tonight. Pretty good for a Sunday! will give me my fix untill the Deckard coems out. Last headset I had was the HTC Vive.
Got a Pico 4 based on this video and it is better than my HP Reverb G2 (search for how to use Virtual Desktop WIRED). Shocker: the Quest Pro wired looks even better, especially the colors and clarity even with the lower resolution).
Did you ever test the 4080? Since you mention not the 4090 specifically, but instead the '40 series cards'?
If this thing truly needs a 40-series, and more to the point, a 4090, then they aren't going to sell very many. From what I have been able to gather, even though they're not facing the same supply chain headwinds that we all dealt with in the whole 30-series debacle, I'm quite certain that many, like me, who managed to get a 3000 series of ANY kind in the past 6-12 months isn't going to upgrade for years (except perhaps for those few for whom $1,500 is pocket change), and many others are just balking at the price regardless.
Since my G2 just died (I think, still some more troubleshooting to do), I MIGHT be in the market for a new HMD, but not under those circumstances. My 3080 is not only fine, indeed for pretty much everything aside from MSFS, it's overkill already.
Nah, for PC VR gaming, you don't need a 4090. But for MSFS, you do.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Remember, I'm disabled... MSFS and DCS are about the only VR titles I use, with the exception of a roller coaster "sim" that works, and fells pretty damn real, but I really don't use it much.
I'm using a Pico 4 with DCS on a 3070 laptop. It runs fine
Great video 🙂 It would be nice to give the Pico 4 a go, but I just recently bought a 3090 Gaming X Trio coupled with an i7-13700k. I HEARD you say in this video "if you have anything below 3090" which doesn't exclude the 3090 altogether. I also believe I heard you say in a previos video that you got roughly 20fps with the 3090 ? And one final question, how big is the degradation if you step down a notch from GOD mode ? What happens then ? Higher fps I guess, but poorer visuals ? HOW much poorer ? Just curious 😁
Hey buddy great questions. I'd stick with the Reverb G2, if you notch down from "god like mode", it looks super nice for games, but for flight simulation it takes too much of a hit. Merry Christmas mate!
@@VRFlightSimGuy Thanks a lot for the answer! Merry Christmas to you three as well :-)
Just seen your post as I was adding mine and thought it worth giving my experience of the Pico 4 on day 1, my PC is an i9-7900X, 32Gb RAM, RTX 3090, MNSFS running from a dedicated M.2, PC on ethernet all though a Wifi ^ router and I don't know what VR headset you are running at the moment, but I've just come from a Quest 2 and the difference is night and day, only changes I made to Mark's setting was to drop down to Ultra and reduce resolution to 150% and for the price you just can't go wrong
@@MavUK6666 Thanks 🙂 Much appreciated 👍👍
I was playing an RC flight sim in VR for the first time yesterday, and even with the "good" resolution sweet-spot in the G2, it wasn't enough. Trying to see orientation on a tiny plane off in the distance really requires actual retina-level resolution. I'd love to be able to get a headset with about 3x the resolution in the sweet-spot, even if it was only that good in the sweet spot. Varjo offers something like this, but not at a consumer level.
Varjo best of all! Reverb best for the money!! TOP primax is to good for flights, but cost almost as varjo aero.
Good review. I think I'll be getting a Pico 4!
Good video mate. You forgot to mention another big thing Pico4 can be used wirelessly unlike the G2
BTW some people have found in Pico4 ini files references to WIGIG which has up to 7Gbps xfer rate. We will have to wait and see when they release the wireless dongle. If it is WIGIG then it means you wont need such a powerful GPU as you could lower the encoding
People keep shitting on the PICO4 on the forums just because its from TikTok or because there are a few mistakes in quality control here and there. In the end its one of the best headsets you can buy right now if you do PCVR.
I played a bit with the Pico 4’s resolution settings and got very good visuals close to the G2 with the following settings: In VD: Godlike, Bitrate 150, CAS sharpening 50 or less, motion repro on, in SteamVR: Global resolution at 150%, in Sim: Resolution 120%, AMD sharpening 200, TAA, TLOD 200, OLOD 200, other settings betweeen high and ultra. Almost no shimmering, solid 45fps. I dare to say that the Pico is on par with the Meta Quest Pro for a third of the money. It would be unfair to directly compare it to the G2 as the G2 is tethered. System RTX 4090 and 13900k
Thankyou for this info.
"Global resolution at 150%, in Sim: Resolution 120%" - You should probably not do image scaling in two different places... just do it once somewhere instead - would get better image quality and faster framerate I'd say.
What a shame headsets can't be retrofitted with non-fresnel lenses. Would love those for my Pimax 8K X.
For g2, you can! Check subreddit if you are willing to dive in
I have the same setup as you have and I agree to all points you mentioned…Only two remarks: Audio: The volume of my audio is very low, I have it on 100% in Windows and 100% in SteamVR, can’t barely hear the click of a knob when turned. Visuals: I have some shimmering in the medium distance range, particularly buildings. But otherwise, it’s a keeper! Merry Christmas! 🎄🎄🎅🏻🧑🏻🎄🎁
Nice one thanks for sharing your impressions. Have a wonderful Christmas 🎄
Great comparison. I know this is only meant in the context of flight sim in VR. However, if you include the stand alone part and the wireless capability for other games , then the choice is much less difficult. Plus, the controllers would just give the final blow to the Reverb G2.
Thankyou :) I do very briefly mention the standalone experience and of course it's even great flying without a cable too. Like you say, the controller are also a strong point. Cheers!
@@VRFlightSimGuy thank you for your answer. I still think the G2 is a great headset. I already have a Quest 2 and not sure switching to the Pico is worth it now. I feel like adding a G2 to my collection will make it more complete than changing to Pico but I might just wait for the Quest 3 first lol
We need a Pico like WMR or similar headset with direct.DP.connection. nothing beats cable connection.
Agreed! A Pico 5 with DP connection would be killer.
Thank you for a great video.
So, I'm about to purchase a 4090, got a 3080 now and in VR it's a horrible experience with my demands.
Anyway, my friend got a G2 Professional Edition, apparently a headset that the developers use to develop games, do you know anything about that one? Is it a better sweetspot in those? I know it's higher resolution than the original G2 but I felt like when I used them in Steam VR, the blurryness was way to high so I returned it.
Other than that, I'm going for a 4090 along with my 5900X, 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz and nvme drives.
In terms of controls, Turtle Beach VelocityOne yoke and Rudders and/or Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Pack.
But if it is as you say, the sweetspot is bigger than the G2 and I got the power with the 4090, it might be a better choice for me?
I just got my G2 but I cannot seem to get smooth frames with my 3070, I-7 10700k. It makes me feel sick so quickly that it's just so hard to enjoy. There are just so many settings to adjust that I don't know what to do. I have openXR, and the tool kit, but, being brand new to VR, I'm just kinda lost. It sucks because I want to use it.
Great video as always. So do you prefer the Pico to the Aero? Obviously huge price difference, but that aside which do you think you will fly mostly in?
Hey buddy fancy seeing you here 😊 The Aero is MUCH better than the Pico 4 in fact, it's better than anything right now.
it would have been nice to see side by side footage of them both and maybe talked about the g2 a bit more. But basically its upgrade from a 2080ti (or whatever perfectly fine runs any game card thats 3 series or below to a 4090 for better fov and lenses costing around £2200 for the gpu and headset, all to end up mobile vr headset. Would you not be better off buying a Varjo Aero or pimax 8k or 12k even and still have change left over??
I'm sorry Jim I don't understand your question?
Awesome informative vid. I have a G2 that I do like except for the rather small sweet spot and blurry edges.
Thx for this vid. Would you say an RTX 3070TI is powerful enough to run the Pico 4 on a reasonable resolution?
I'm currently on a Rift S, so I'm really undecided on the issue.
I will upgrade from my G2 only if Pico comes out with a link version (displayport)
neo 3 link exists.....
never going to happen they lose up to $200 per HMD and look to get it back from the store. PCVR cost more especially for the cable explains why they havent bothered with Pico PC streaming software and Virtual Desktop is essential
@@eileenk568 id pay 600 700$ for dp,still worth it in my opinion they should give us the option,since they also aint got anything worth while on standalone,most people that get it proly use it on steam with VD anyway,least from what i saw on amazon reviews everyone mention PC games.
I came from a original Vive and recently bought both the G2 and Pico 4 to try them out. On a 4080 using virtual desktop in godlike mode the Pico 4 is indeed a clear winner. I returned the G2. Visuals are better, most of the image is sharp, light weight balanced feeling, no noticable latency (30-40ms). If only the audio would be the same...
Also note that for anything standing or walking around (e.g. Half Life Alyx) being wireless without a cable is such a game changer! I'll never go back to being tethered.
Have a 4080 and a g2 v1. Thinking about getting the Pico 4 tomorrow. Difficult to setup ? I mean g2 was straight forward.
hey may i ask, what wifi routr u have setup for pico 4. i just bought this VR headset and planning to get a wifi 6 router
@@FarrukhShabir Netgear Orbi mesh setup, it's my wifi 5 home system with about 50 devices on it. Any wifi 5 system works fine probably.
Conclusion: it's time for the G3 with pancake lenses :)
or is time for Pico 4 revision two with a DP port.
Pico 4 with a DP port will never happen they purposely left out the DP port to save money they are already selling it at a big loss and are hoping to recoup that in pico store sales. PCVR will not bring in much in terms of store sales
@@crouchjump5787 This is kind of the stupid move after the success of the Reverb I would say but oh well...
Quest is meh, Pico would be great with DP, and Varjo or Crystal both are crazy expensive. Seriously no one would like to make a decent PC VR headset at a reasonable price?
@@tomtomkowski7653 Sadly yes - But i think we will get many interesting headsets in the future. Iam very curious about a new valve HMD.
@@tomtomkowski7653 how was it a success? They sold so few headsets the G2 doesn't even get its own mention on Steam's monthly VR usage charts, just being lumped in with all WMR headsets ever released. Every WMR reality combined accounts for only 5.25 percent of headset sales.
It's been a great headset for flight sims the best couple years but it was an asbolute sales flop.
@@kevinbrook7033 Because this was no time for VR to kick off and still quite isn't. Just yet with the 4090 VR has some sense but we have to wait another 2-4 years before GPU as fast as 4090 will be available for more than 1% of players on this planet. Sure we can play VR already but nowhere close to 3x 4K at 90Hz with good settings. Soon GPUs manufacturers will push VR themselves because GPUs will become too powerful to keep them selling for normal PC gamers if with 4090 you can already play what you want at 4K with 120Hz (without raytracing of course).
I have a 4080/12700k. I ordered a G2V2 from HP for $300 during the recent sale. It doesn’t ship until Jan 12th.
I’ve been considering returning it and going w the Pico instead.
I’m returning it and waiting a while. I want something that has pancake or a superior lens technology. No more fresnel.
I’ve graduated from those things.
My quest 2 is unusable due to non existent IPD adjustment.
I’ll just have to be a little more patient.
For now, the 4080 and C2 OLED are doin alright.
Goddamn fresnel lenses though. Blech.
Thanks for the informative videos. They’ve been helpful.
Issue i heard about the Pico though is distortion. It is personal preference but for some people it is unbearable, and other just don't notice it. Also if you value your data you probably don't want a headset from a chinese company. Pico 4 is good but i'll stick with my G2 for letalone that reason.
If HP didn't have the $299 sale for a week around Black Friday 22', I would have bought the Pico4. But for $299 and $50 3 year extended Next Business Day Warranty, I couldn't pass it up. Let the tether cable fail. I've got three years to enjoy. The G2 is great for Sim Racing because the small Focal Spot isn't as much of an issue like it is with MSFS2020. And that Focal Spot, as small as it is, is oh so sharp. For MSFS2020 I use a 34" Ultrawide at 3440x1440 with TrackiR5. I prefer being able to see all my controls(BoeingTCA,Bravo Throttle and TPR pedals) while I flight sim. The G2 gives you a little better lap time because the timing of your corners is better in VR. i712700K/3080ti/32Gb
Great comparison!!! Subscribeb!!!
Since your video released the 4070ti was not existing 😅, now I have the 4070ti which lower than 4080, would it fast enough for Pico 4 or do I need to pick Reverb G2 instead?
not to mention with better facegasket the FOV improves a ton.
You keep saying 4080 4090 how do you think it would fare with a 4070ti?
Is an 3080 TI fast enough? If you need a $2000 GPU to be able to use a $400 headset, what is the point?
how do you pair the PICO to MSFS?
I can use the head set in DCS through Steam VR, but don't know how to use it in MSFS
Hey! You mention the FOV being better on the P4. Can you elaborate on that? Because, specs-wise, P4 stands at 105 °, and G2 at 115 °. Thanks!
up to date fov comparison - G2 is lower, I also have a modded G2, you can not get closer, and the fov on the pico4 is bigger for me (also modded): ruclips.net/video/WuGdvM33ua0/видео.html
I saw the 115 claim on a older review but that was also vertical.
Pico or Pimax?
Given the G2 lenses are removable, would it be possible for some company to make custom plug in pancake lenses for it?
I recently upgraded from a 3080 to a 4080 which made a great difference! My cpu however is getting a bit dated being an i7-10700K. Plenty of fast nvme drives for storage, 32gb memory and been using the reverb g2 but it just dosent seem clear enough for me these days!!! Probably need a faster cpu now, never hurts right!
Wait you said we need more power i have a RTX 2060 and use god like mode on VD and my card can handle it zero problems
There are new facial interfaces being sold now on Ali Express. There are also some DIY 3d printed ones.
With the Quest 3 launching in a month's time, would you still recommend the Pico 4, or better to wait for Quest 3?
Def wait!
Is Steam VR required for the Pico to run in MSFS2020? I've just ordered a new PC (RTX 4090, i9-13900KF, 32GB RAM) and I have Microsoft Game Pass so I do not use Steam. Is this going to be an issue? Cheers!
I'm on the fence but thinking of going from the Reverb G2 to Pico 4, would prefer the pimax crystal but can't justify the $1600 at the moment. Hmm I should sell my 3070 and 3080.
I'm running a 4080 but my pcu is only the i7-10700K so it's starting to fall behind the current cpu bosses so I'm pretty sure I won't be able to handle God mode with my system. $400 is a price point I can deal with for the short term until I'm ready to tag a pimax crystal.
The problem is that right now the G2 is almost twice as expensive as the Pico
I own the Quest Pro, the Clarity is insane.
I had the Pico 4 on launch but returned it due to some issues it had, warping, audio etc.
Also owned the G2 v1, but Quest Pro is on another level with with panels and the best lenses on the market currently.
Biggest misconception regarding resolution with the Quest Pro having less pixels than the Q2 is not correct, and why going by a spec sheet is something you shouldn't be comparing.
Why? - Due to Quest Pro using two panels vs one on the Quest 2, the lens stack moves with the lenses on the Pro, this gives much more visible/usable pixels resulting in higher pixels per degree, resulting in more detail being displayed. This with the new lenses makes for amazing edge to edge clarity, which makes it feel like you're looking through a window, where you can use your eyes to look around rather than your head.
You should get a Quest Pro to test it using a company that has a very good no quibbles return policy to compare it. I think you will be surprised with it!
I have some through the lens videos on my channel using a 4090.
Now cranking the res up to 1.7x and using 500Mbps bit rate, this hides any compression and really makes the 4090 stretch it's legs removing some CPU bottleneck, giving you 90fps in DCS on high settings, and overall a very Sharpe detailed image up close and far away.
Can anyone answer the following question. I have a Varjo Aero and looking to get a 4090 from a 4070. I wanted to know if the visuals with the 4090 GPU upgrade will look exactly like the visuals as seen on this video being played behind Steve speaking? thanks in advance.
I accept that you need a 4090 to play MFS, but I tried to play HLA with my 3080 and Virtual Desktop in Godlike mode and it actually works and the picture is smooth and totally sharp. Same for Blade & Sorcery and .... Beatsaber. I also played No Man's Sky but there you start noticing it's limits... totally crisp picture, smoother than with my old 1080, but here I might say not to put the settings too high.
Great stuff! I received my Pico 4 yesterday and I'm working my way around setting it up.
Any chance you could share your setup for getting this working in FS2020 and the settings you use.
I'm struggling to cap my FPS to 45. It seems to trying to reach 90fps in VD and overriding. I'm getting jumps from low to 90 fps constantly.
Appreciate any tips :)
Great video as always!!! I own a 4090 and a 13900k cpu and a reverb g2. Do you think I will be happier in terms of visuals with a pico 4?
Thanks Nick! As mentioned in the video you have the power to really make the most out of the Pico 4. Make sure to use Virtual Desktop though. Cheers!
This looks positive. I'd have bought this straight away if it had dp. I'm currently on the quest 2, looking to upgrade to something that offers native via dp so I'm not losing out on performance. Could you do a comparison between the non dp headsets with the 4090? I'm primarily wondering if I should just wait for the pimax Crystal (and take the hit economically) or whether the Pico 4 will offer a good enough upgrade on the Q2 for flight sim. I'm avoiding G2 as for its cost in the UK, I'd be as well going for the crystal.
I have a 3090. Haven’t bought a headset yet but was looking at the PICO 4 due to the cost over the G2. I don’t like how the HP is so expensive in Europe/UK compared to the US. Is it worth spending the extra £2-300 for the G2 with my GPU?
did you bought one? really wanna know how the 3090 performs with the pico. 3090 is a beast so think it would be crazy that only 4080 and 4090 can deliver good results...
Could you please do a 4090 test with the Quest 2
Hello! I just installed my 4090 + AMD5800x3D + Pico4 (Virtual Desktop) setup. It really makes a difference from my old graphics card (3070 oc). I'm new to VR and I'm a bit lost, I would like to see some video with the configuration for this combo (nvidia panel, MSFS2020 graphics, VD, Steam...) Thanks !!
Nice hardware... I only have 4080 + 5950X + Pico4. Still happy with it, but would love something like 7950X3D when it comes out and a 4090!
Do you think the 5800x3D can play out it advances over the 13600k in combination with virtual desktop and pico 4 or will it even out in the end?
@VR Flight Sim Guy - Did you test the Pico 4 in DCS? I bought the Reverb G2 recently but I'm getting really bothered by WMR (tried both openxr and steamvr) and the small sweetspot that I get. Also a lot of lens fogging in the headset. I have a 4090 with the Ryzen 3700X. I can still return my G2 to Amazon and get the Pico 4. Would that be your recommended route? Thanks for your help.
I have a 3080 but i get my Pico4 tomorrow. Lets see.
As a fellow 3080 owner with ZERO intention to upgrade until at LEAST the 50-series is out, please do let me/us know what you think. My G2 is dead (I think), and I might need a replacement, but if the 3080 isn't good enough... Well, that's a problem. Not just for me, either, because the world isn't exactly knocking NVDA's doors down trying to get their hands on a 40-series.
@@kevykevTPA I let you know. I also bought everything for usb-c tethering connection via LAN cable. So maybe that will help also reducing latency. There is a Guy on RUclips who is recommend this with MSFS2020.
@@itzschy Looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you get it. I hope it works out... For both of us! Thanks!
OMG, I am going to get one tomorrow! I think I can get a pair for about US$300
I just bought a G2 and in Sweden paid about 300$ more for that than the Pico 4. And I have a 4090, need to rethink this 🙂
If there was a hmd like G2 but with pancake lenses...These days all manufacturers make standalone headsets, but we need one with cable connection and reduced price (khmm, Varjo) to replace the good old G2 in the future.
no enough money in PCVR for manufacturers. They make there money from the store
How do you get MSFS to give you a 2D desktop monitor mirror while in VR?
When I go into VR, my monitor shows both eyes on the screen as round-ish images, rather than one fullscreen mirror.
Bought the pico4 2 days ago... still can't get it better than the G2. Texts in the cockpit are not sharp in the pico. Maybe it's still a config thing but so far it is a dissapointment. Rtx4090 / 12900k.
Question, with your Pico 4, does the image sharpness drop off toward the edges? It does on mine, and I cant figure out if that's normal or if theres a problem with mine.
I find this very interesting - you are getting better performance in the Pico?! When I first tried I was getting 20-30% worse perf in the Pico 4 vs the G2, but that was before the latest VD performance patch. Perhaps I need to take another look.
Yep. Better than the G2!
@@VRFlightSimGuy incredible, when I first tested (older VD version and 3090) it was significantly slower than the G2 - I need to revisit this now clearly! Incredible that there has been such a change.
Great video, You mention several times a fast GPU, is the Gigabyte Geforce GTX 4070 faset enough
Thankyou, I'll soon tell you as I'll have a 4070 to test soon.
What about video Compression? I plan on buying one, will take longer to get one because I have to import to the U.S, however since there is no dp slot is video compression an issue? I had the quest 2 before going to the g2 and compression made some of the cockpit gauges blurry. Seems others have said the same about the Pico. What’s your experience with the compression?
I own both and I'd never prefer Pico 4 over G2. In my opinion there can't be lenses, confort or larger sweetspot 4 in the Pico that can compensate the G2 higher resolution, and, above that, the uncompressed video through display port. It's really day and night for me. Also, the color of the Pico 4 are awful compared to those of the G2. I can see the future is going in that direction, nevertheless, the compressed image you get through streaming is an IMMENSE drawback in my opinion.
Funny enough, there’s 3 (+?) big VR influencers that all of a sudden found 4090/pico combo to be extrodinary good the last 3 days. Coincidence? 🤔
@@-Ola-. Better than G2? I don't know, but I'll believe this when I see it with my eyes. For now, what I can tell is that G2 vs. Pico 4 is a no match even on a rtx 3090. Uncompressed video from G2 is leaps and bounds better. So I don't really know what kind of miracle the 4090 can do on the Pico 4 streaming, since you continue to have an compressed, 150 mbit stream against an uncompressed video at higher resolution nonetheless. Also, I find the Pico 4 colors to be vastly inferior compared to that of the G2, and I have more than one issue with the lenses, like flares and weird peripheral distortion.
@@dirkthevrstroller yup it just doesnt sound right. But i’ve got a 4090, and G2 v2’s on the way, so i might try out a set of pico’s as well for comparison and return them if they arent up to expectations.
@@leruop got the G2’s, used it _alot_ for a month, and went back to triple 1440’s… Never tested the Pico, but a friend did, and said the G2’s where way better for him.
Picture quality in the G2’s where’nt good enough for my taste, and i found the VR to be a bit annoyng for daily use.
Maybe i would be more happy with Aero’s, who knows.
Doesn't the Pico use a DisplayPort connector?
Since this uses steam and is stand alone, what if you download msfs and DCS and play it through steam straight from the headset? Can that be done?
What about an rtx 4070ti for the pico4? Is it suficient? Or maybe better an hp reverb g2 for this card? Thanks a lot!
Thanks for sharing! Question, I notice that there is "jitter" the entire video, I've experienced similar tracking movement with my trackir, are you experiencing that when wearing the headset or is it only noticeable in the playback video? And if you keep making these videos you're going to cost me a lot of $$$$$ lol (I'll have to upgrade from a ~4 year old gtx 1060 6gb rig to a 3090 or 4090, only running a 32" monitor now, haven't tried VR yet but I am seriously thinking about it now)
I think this video has come out pretty well considering I'm talking with a VR headset on, you will always get movement. Totally not noticeable in VR 👍 also, send my regards to your wallet 😜
@VR Flight Sim Guy That makes sense, I didn't even think about you talking lol, thanks!!
If you were to turn reprojection off, what are the frame rate comparisons? I'm very tempted by the Pico, but I don't use reprojection - is the headset harder to run?
I have an RX7900XT gpu.. will the pick 4 be suitable for this gpu?
hey everyone im just wondering if i use a usb c to cable connect to my PC will i still have to rely on internet bandwith to use the headset?
A Pico 4 setup video would be nice.
Hi Jimmy I'll give that some thought thanks
Thank you. Pico works with Open XR and OpenXR Toolkit Open Composit?? Thankyou
I really hope they will bring out an Version with Display Port soon...
Good Day sir! I have a question....How do you get MSFS microsoft store version to play in virtual desktop? is there a way to import it?
Thanks for this comparison ! Do you think the Amd rx 7900 xtx would be powered enough (equivalent to 4080) for the pico 4 ?
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The thing here is how good it is at video compression, not just 3D performance. nVidia cards are known for excellent video codecs, AMD earlier gen cards - not so much... But maybe they improved in this generation. Super fast compression is the most important factor here, to provide a good stable high bitrate stream for the Pico 4 to decode.
Thanks! I'll have an AMD system to test in the new year hopefully :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy Very good ! I will wait your review then ! I am trying to get an amd card but there is none available in Canada anyway.
I am quite happy with my new Pico 4, but when in MSFS, there is a delay in head movement tracking, it's okay when I turn my head, but not moving my head around, especially if I move back and forth. Did you have this issue?
I haven't experienced this issue
Good morning.
a) Could You tell me what is Your IPS?"
b) What router do You use?
I haven't flown my 2080super/Reverb G2 in about 8 months. Haven't even opened the sim to update. Should I see some improvements since I've flown last just in the sim?