REVERB G2 or PICO 4? | A summary of the Pro's and Con's for each VR Headset in MSFS
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2023
- How do these VR headsets compare against each other? I talk through some of the pro's and con's of both the HP Reverb G2 and the Pico 4. If your undecided this video may assist.
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Hope this helps answer some of the questions asked recently!
Hi Mark. I've just posted a comment and it has not appeared here? I was asking whereabouts in the world you are flying in the video as the scenery looks amazing.
@@peterfinkill8098 I see your earlier comment. See link in notes below the video.
Thank you Mark! I guess I'm gone stay with my G2 and wait for further developments
Good video mark ...thanks and keep on rambling! 😀
Thank you again for a wonderful video! I've got myself a XPC Honeycomb set for my Xbox X, while I am mesmerized by the quality, stability and overall performance of the Xbox X, I have a dream of configuring a pc with a 4090 and i9. Just because the scenery and quality of this setup will just emerse me more into MSFS. I hope the VR community will prosper.
Thx for making this video! Very helpful
Shame they did not keep the display port from the Pico 3
Agreed, a Pico 4 with a display port would be awesome !!!
Bought myself the PICO 4 headset and also the HP8 seat pad haven’t sorted the seat pad yet but the PICO 4 headset was used flying the analogue beechcraft baron 58 it is so realistic that I was doing engine shut downs flaps up and down quite a few times just to look and everything working I might have to readjust my flight sim settings a bit as my cockpit dials were out of focus the sensations you get are phenomenal you are actually in a real aircraft your mind tells you thanks for helping me spend my money 😊😅and the great reviews
As always it is a fair comparaison, thank you very much for that great work you do.
From my point of view, a cable from the headset isn't an issue while I always use it in a chair but using a peripheric depending on a short life battery is a big one. Since MSFS2020, very high resolution is needed to appreciate what that sim can give so less resolution is also undesirable. With only a 100$ differences or so is not significant when you spent many thousands for a decent MSFS2020 system.
So I found nothing in favor of this new headset for me. As a RTX3080 GPU and a i10900 CPU owner, I'll stay with my HPRG2V2 for sure.
Genuinely appreciate you
i started with a G2 v1.. on last Christmas buy a pico 4 and i love it (especially on other VR games) on januari i preorder the Crystal and now waiting
Thanks for your thoughts. I think I'm happy to stay in the wait and see camp for now. I'm currently waiting for a 7800X3D to be delivered as I need to upgrade my CPU. This will hopefully perform well with the 4090. The PICO does look attractive but I think I would prefer something that doesn't compress or stream to the device. And there does appear to be some interesting things on the horizon. 👍
A test on the 7800X3D coming up soon…with a 4090!
@@SimHangerFS I look forward to sitting down to that one with a cup of tea.
Thanks for the video Mark. Whereabouts are you flying in the video? Scenery looks amazing.
Check the link in the notes below the video….Victoria Falls … it is stunning 🤩
Thanks for this review. It begs the question why the Pico 4 isn't re-engineered to display port capability especially if its predecessor was? The company is missing out on a potentially huge market of the 'can't afford the 40xx' .
The Pico 4 is not the successor of the Neo 3, it's a standalone model. Neo 3 is for PCVR and is still sold.
Ramble on Mark!
IMO, unless you can drop a fortune on the varjo there is no choice but the G2. Every time I've tried a VR headset anywhere near the same price range, I come stumbling right back to the G2. It's just all around the best that can be had for years, and still is for now.
Word. Pico is way overrated for MSFS. That compression bites hard
Admittedly Pico missed a trick by not adding a DP port, but they've squarely aimed the 4 as a rival to the Quest 2, it's ability to sit in-between the G2 and Q2 is just a bonus for PCVR gaming and it's way better than the Q2 for MSFS IMHO
@@MavUK6666 sure, it's not a bad headset at all for the price, lenses are great. Just not the G2 killer for sims that some people claim it is
Have you tried the Quest Pro?
@@lurchilurch5507 Hi, not a route I wanted to go down personally, Pico 4 is far from perfect but the pancake lenses and their FOV means I won't go back to Fresnel lenses for now..
Hi Mark. Once again you set the high-water mark for these types of videos, thank you. As I research and learn, it's clear to me that having a VR headset paired with a strong computer, both of which have and utilize data port 1.4 is optimal. Getting a new laptop computer with the data port 1.4 and strong GPU/CPU is fairly easy. Do you know where I can find a resource that lists out which modern VR headsets primarily utilize data port 1.4? I think that's the way I want to go and then I can research whether or not the unit is comfortable for eyeglass wearers and don't cause scratching on the lenses and eyeglasses. Getting my standard size eyeglasses into my Quest 3 is not pleasant as it pinches the sides and becomes a resting place for the unit (even with a BoboVR strap). ~Maverick
Hi Mark, after watching this I'm really glad I went with the Pico 4 as an upgrade from the Quest 2 over the Reverb G2, I'm lucky enough to have full fibre wifi 6 so on wireless it's fantastic, and even with an i9 7900X, RTX 3090 with 32Gb Ram it way out performs the Quest 2, feel there's loads of development potential still to come with the Pico 4
Agreed I am loving my Pico 4
I recently bought the Pico 4 as an upgrade from Quest 2 and oh boy what an upgrade (actually is even cheaper atm in Amazon) . I'm playing with the USB-C to Gigabit Ethernet directly connected to a Gigabit switch so network latency is basically sub ms with 0 jitter. Plus the adapter has USB charging passthrough so I charging it while playing.
Biggest down side of the G2 vs any headset with pancake lenses is lense clarity not to be confused with resolution. Sure the G2 has great resolution but you can't look around in the headset without losing all clarity. The sweet spot is tiny. So a higher resolution sounds great on papers but in use you have to get the headset on absolutely perfectly and look straight forward all the time and move your neck, not your eyes to maintain a sharp image in the center. The pancake lenses like in the Pico 4 and Quest 3 completely eliminated that issues. Not to mention the clunky, top heavy G2 controls which for sims like VTOL VR are very cumbersome. I'm currently sellimg my G2 and getting the Q3.
Agreed.👍
Hi Mark, love the channel and have been following your work for the last year or so, recently just purchased the 4090 card and wow its a game changer. Currently have a reverb g2 and it's great but the sweetspot for me just kills the immersion. I have noticed the pico 4 is now on special offer in the Uk but really not sure if i should buy now or wait. I have just seen the DPVR E4 has just been released, I like the fact it has a display port connection and not having to compress the image as the PIco does over WiFi.. maybe you could test this new unit for us and see how it runs with a 4090? 😊
Pico4 Pro is already on sale, and wifi 6 was added to the quest pro
Thanks for the comparison video.
I don't understand why they didn't add a displayport connection to the Pico 4.
I'm thinking about getting into VR, but no Pico 4 for me (and probably lots of other people) because most people can't afford a 4090.
I think they would have sold a lot more units if it had displayport connection. It has a lot going for it otherwise.
Now i'm thinking about a second hand Rift S, or maybe Quest 2.
With a DP it has the potential to be a category killer….! But alas it’s not on the cards.
Which headset that you tried gives you more 3d deep effect? THanks a lot!! (Pc gaming rtx4070ti)
Hi Mark! Im holding for your Pimax Crystal review. When do think it will be out? I just scored a very economical rig with 4070 ti and i5 13 gen for about $1500 US. See how it goes. Coming from rtx 1660 thats a big upgrade for me :) Love your videos ~ Andrew
Great comparison Mark. I have the Reverb G2 MK1 and will stick with it until something like the Crystal (but with OLED panels) appears. Just one point; AFAIK Internet speed is not a relevant matter for wireless headsets and the limitation is your own Wi-Fi speed alone.
why OLED panels? OLEDs are very much inferior to LCDs.
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 You are joking, I hope! I have LG 48 inch OLED screens on my Gaming PC, XBox as well as an LG83C1 for watching TV. All offer 120Hz VRR. NOTHING even comes close. The only way that some people consider them 'inferior' is if they try to 'outshine the sun'. I set the brightness to 50% , which is more than bright enough, and the blacks cannot be matched by ANY other technology.
@@ColinDyckes ..and still, this is very inferior to any current VR headset. The immersion factor in VR is day and night better then on flat screen, and "sitting" inside a cockpit in 3d world is never same as watching a picture on your TV, never will be...
Speaking of OLED, the LCD technology is actually way above the OLED. Im a digital printing specialist and photograph, doing colour calibration and profiling (using expensive spectro-photometers) for over two decades, you have to give me to measure a single OLED display that has a delta E under 2, and a single OLED display that has mediocre (no not excellent like IPS LCDs) dynamic contrast.
Almost every modern IPS LCD has delta E under 2 and many even under 1. OLEDs are not even close to LCD, but hey they are "bright like sun"...
Sorry, you are just another victim of OLED cool aid wave....OLEDs are just cheaper to make and make a much larger profit then LCDs.
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 Remember that the use case here is for GAMING though the 13900K and 4090 is incredible for 4K video editing. I might agree with you on colour accuracy and colour space but for TV and gaming OLEDs are perfect in my opinion.
Regarding VR, I have a G2 but prefer 48 inch flat screen and TrackIR. I will fly more in VR when a suitable quality headset is available. BTW, I used to hold a PPL and flew Cessnas IRL 🙂.
@@ColinDyckes I understand the GAMING scenario, what I said was to show you how inferior the OLED technology is. I have G2 as well and also expensive EIZO Color Edge 32" monitor and above another 27" DELL. I used to have TrackIR which I sold half a year I got the Reverb G2 not using it a single time.
For movie watching (I ditched TV many years ago) I use DLP projector on 110" screen, and no its not due to much larger screen. OLED TVs have such a bad colours I cant stand them. Yes those colours are popping and that is to mask the bad natural colours, I have never seen a realistic skin tone, sky, grass or threes colour on OLED. Also the bad dynamic contrast disqualifies the OLED for movies, especially those with dark scenes.
BTW, I used to fly sailing planes when I was seventeen, wanted to become fighter pilot. Did pass the medical exam, but it was still the time you had to have someone somewhere to get picked for the school in my country. I ended up as tank platoon commander and then quick reaction force plt. commander. I got lucky when there was an airshow, me still in uniform I met a guy from the pilot school (I was assigned to his room for the exam) who was already finished pilot at that time. My medical exam was still valid so we agreed that he will take me for a spin in a Mig few weeks later. It was a high altitude flight in Mig-23UB and we went up to 18k meters height...
So I was extremely lucky, you already kinda see curvature of Earth at that height and it becomes darker.
I dont use the VR for civilian flight sims, I "fly" IL-2 and DCS. Cant go back to flat.
Do you have a video of how to get the binoculars off the screen for the reverb g2? I just got the g2 for a sweet deal.
I can't pick one having never tried VR flight sim before. I am going to Fsexpo and hopefully I can get a good feel for it there without getting nausea
Thank you for your videos , I really enjoy your down to earth and straight to the point approach. No pun intended. I'm still considering buying either a Quest 3 or a Pico 4 in addition to my G2. But I have a 10600 and 3070 and I'm afraid it's too low spec to run them with MSFS. Or should we wait for a G3 with wider field of view, oldeds and pancake lenses. One can dream right.
*Oleds
Or better yet, a pancake lens mod for the G2. Seriously it has almost everything except clarity and contrast.
I hope I am wrong, but it is unlikely there will be a G3.
MSFS in VR has DLSS and FSR2 support.
3070 runs fine with that as far as one can tell from reviews.
Get yourself a Pico4 if you are PCVR only, or get a Quest1 for 100 bucks used to get a no brainer entry into VR.
Both Pico as Quest3 have new pancake lenses with comparable perf and picture. Pico is 100 bucks cheaper.
Quest has the brand name to make it expensive, the Meta software leaves some to be desired for the money. Its far from perfect and choosing good competitors is well worth the thought.
Hey Mark, interested if you've tried neo 3 link with its DP mode, seems alot if flight sim channels have not, I don't have flight sim but in racing sims where the distance details are important, I don't really entertain Pico 4 over my neo 3 link, performance of DP and image quality trumps that of VD godlike, both headsets I needed to replace faceplates on to get the best out of them, the lenses on neo 3 link are better than G2 for edge to edge clarity even with picos remaining CA on edges
No I haven’t tried the neo 3.
I fricken love my Pico 4. Have a Vive Pro with wifi, index, quest 2 and it is the best hands down. I am sure the Quest 3 will be a bit better.
Just bought a G2 but have the RTX3090Ti and have discovered it needs a adaptive powered DP adapter for it t connect due to Nvidea DP socket downfalls.
My Reverb G2 ran perfectly on my GigaByte Aorus 3090 Xtreme,and is obviously even better on the 4090 TUF OC now. It ran with both the original and updated interface box. I can't think of any reason that it wouldn't work with all displayport interfaces.
Does the usb cable allow you to get better quality and you dont need a 4090? Not sure how the wireless ones work.
Hi Mark. Great review and thanks for your honest opinion. I've just bought a second hand reverb G2 V2 for £400 which will suit my rtx 3090 system. I'll be watching your setup video soon to get it working. Have you done an Open XR toolkit video on how to install and use it? Thanks 👍🏻
Yes, check out my essential vr playlist on my channel.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks Mark I've found your set up tutorials. Keep the the great work. I can't wait to fly in VR.
And sadly, still, we in the US don't have the option of obtaining the Pico 4.
Nice video, Mark.
FWIW, in my case, wireless capabilities outweighed resolution, and I sold my G2 and picked up a Quest 2. Took a slight hit on IQ, but getting the wireless function (I have a Yaw 2 motion simulator) made my VR experience far better.
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Hi Mark, first of all thanks for your videos and all your work !
I have a question : i own a quest 2, and i want to upgrade to play MSFS (and some car sims). Here is my configuration : rtx4070ti / i513400f / 32GO DDR5 6400 / SSD NVME.
Which one would you buy NOW if you had the choice, to play MSFS with this configuration (i will not upgrade soon, 4080 and 90 are to pricy).
Quest 3 / G2 / pico 4 ?
Quest 3
Thanks a lot, so you think RTX4070ti is enough then ? I was a bit afraid because many youtubers said 4080 or 4090 for the pico 4 or quest 3 due to compression, that is why i was thinking maybe the G2 could be the one for me@@SimHangerFS
@@eldjoudilaouedj5200 the 4070ti is okay if youe happy to dial back the resolution a bit and use a combination of high and meduim settings. Still a good experience.
Thanks a lot for your time :)@@SimHangerFS
Have you ever tested with a lesser GPU? I have both the Pico and the Reverb G2 and can run both of them fine at ultra settings on my RTX 3080 with an I5-12600k processor. They are both acceptable at near ultra settings on my Aorus laptop with an I7-11800h and a mobile RTX 3080. Both machines have 32gb of ram and 16gb video memory.
Only tested with a 3090. Performance was ok, but not amazing! But then again I only have a 10900K CPU, yours is working faster than mine.
Hi Mark, and how do these headsets compare to the aero on a top of the notch system with a 4090?
Aero graphics are much better (but not FOV). Aero is currently best for visuals but at a premium price point.
Good comparison, I just got my Pico 4 last week, I like it but for myself, the clarity of the G2v2 is still king due to a DP non compressed signal. As long as you get your eyes really close to the G2v2's lenses and get into that sweet spot, the FOV increases and the clarity gets even better, even looking around some with your eyes. You don't have to do this with the Pico 4, the pancake lenses sweet spot is huge! LOL
I like both headsets, for regular VR experiences, I use my G2 with Valve Knuckles (from my Index), it's kind of like the best of both worlds, better visuals than the Index but get to use those wonderful controllers instead of the pathetic ones that come with the G2. :)
Hi, What gpu are u using with your headsets
@@123thedman1 I'm using a EVGA FTW3 3080ti with the G2v2 (basement sim racing rig) and a Radeon 6900xt with the Pico 4 (upstairs living room).
@@jackr.749 Thanks bro, appreciate you traking the time to reply.
@@123thedman1I use a 4090 and still much prefer the G2 for MSFS
I would like to add my 5cents here comming here as G2 vs Quest2 (which uses the same wifi/usb streaming tech) as why I think so many MSFS influencers are recomending pico4 and it is this:
- pico4 with VR streaming from PC is acceptable and provides more clarity with pancake lenses for slow leasure civilian flights like MSFS
- g2 with native displayPort however dominates for any fast dogfights in VR clarity
The reason in my experience when I tried dogfights with quest2 wifi streaming was that the compression algorithm didn't know what to do with the image of other planes on a sky background and distorts it heavily. E.g. you are dogfighting often a black distorted smug in VR that is using compression from PC over usb/wifi. Ground clarity is fine because the compression is often just shifting slightly a very similar image in a direction in the algorithm, that is why I believe MSFS pilots are switching to PICO4 just for higher sweetspot.
I agree, plus the freedom wireless brings to piloting.
@@SimHangerFS Yes, I loved wireless very often for stuff like HL Alyx and others. But for flight sims with dogfights like DCS, il2 and my now favourite VTOL VR, I am sticking to reverb g2 as it's native performance in rapid head movement cannot be compared to quest2 (and by extension pico4) using compressed streaming.
Stupid question, but need to know. Using the Pico 4 with the settings VR flight sim guy and you Mark has come up with, does it put an unnecessary high wear and tear on my PC (4090/13700)?
Not really, the cpu and GPU are designed to work hard. It is something I have never measured.
@@SimHangerFS Thank you!
hi, rtx 4070ti with pico4 for MSFS it´s a good idea? thanks a lot for your help.
Only at medium settings
I bought the Pico 4 running on a 7900X3D and a 6800XT. I understand my GPU is severely underpowered for MSFS, however even after copying all your settings (and getting a grand total of 13fps, but godlike is enabled, using your resolution which you've given us in other videos and I have identical settings to what you have), my game simply does not look remotely as crisp as shown in your video. Using VD + Wi-Fi 6 so internet is not an issue. Do you have any idea what's going on?
I actually feel in the cockpit and it's great but the effect is completely ruined when I glance outside the window and just see blurry objects.
It’s the GPU, you need to turn down the resolution %
sorry, I don't get why not having displayport will require a better gpu?.. also is it possible to use dlss3 with pico4 in msfs? thanks
A display port can transfer a large amount of data at one time and do so quickly. HDMI & other methods are slower, this would mean the headset constantly waiting for data. By compressing the video data it can reduce the size of the ‘’packet’’ at the cost of some loss of visual fidelity. DLSS 3 is not available (functional) in VR at the moment. It can utilise DLSS 2 👍
The problem I've noticed with DLSS in VR is it causes blur, our eyes are so close to the panels that for me I get a lot of blur, whereas on a monitor, my eyes are far enough away I don't see that blur and DLSS works well then. Could just be my eyes though.
The issue is doing the real-time compression of the video stream sucks up a lot of GPU resources. G2 doesn't have to do that, so all the GPUs power goes into rendering.
I'm sitting on the fence to see what happens in the VR space. The Crystal sounds great, but am not a fan of all that weight hanging off my head, especially as I use a motion sim.
I do share that concern.
Is it still worth considering the Pico 4, with Quest 3 about to be released?
I haven't tried the Q3 obviously, but will be doing so ! I love my Pico 4 though. Simple and it just works.
@@SimHangerFS Phew, the Pico sounds like my kind of headset, hate faffing. From what i can see, the pico still has better visuals, but Quest 3 has better controllers and processor, making it better in standalone, but largely irrelevant for us on PC.
The only reason why I'd consider the Pico 4 over the Q3 now is because of budget, or if you just hate Meta. Pico 5, on the other hand...nothing announced, though
Reverb G2 is a non-starter here because of the limited maximum IPD.
Pico 5 PRO MAX. Next gen pancake lenses, 3840x3840 OLED display just like in Apple VR, Eye tracking, and direct DP video connection, WiFi 6E.
Price around 1000€. That will be the next winner. Preorder starting in Decembre, release date 04. 21 2024.
Pico 5 - no direct video connection, no Eye tracking, LCD 2560x2560. Release same date. Around 500€
Pico 5 PRO. All the same as 5 only have Eye tracking as addition. Around 600€
the g2 sweet spot isn't "relatively small". it is small.
Pico 4 by a long shot. I ditched my G2 after getting my Pico 4. The color, edge clarity, sharpness, FOV, and perfect binocular overlap as well as brighter panels at 2160 per eye just like the G2, Pico is a no brainer. After putting my G2 back on after using the Pico 4, I realized the G2 had to go. G2 WENT ON CRAIGLIST and still can't get rid of it. I did try the Quest Pro as well,it was sooooo clear. The lenses are amazing for sure, but man was it horribly uncomfortable even with a top strap. I returned it and got my Pico, and it was the best decision yet for DCS. Folks still pushing the G2 probably haven't looked through a Pico 4 in "God mode" yet. I have a reserved spot for Crystal when it comes out, my Pico will then become my family fun VR standalone game night headset.
Good to know, what GPU do you have to run the Pico?
@Whirlynerds for pcv, I use a 4090 but plenty of users with 3080-3090's or 6800-6900xt's getting great results on RUclips. Like all higher end vr, you need a beefy system.
@@MNHemiGuy yea thought so, I’m pondering on the pico over my quest 2 , I run a 13900k with founders 3080
@Whirlynerds the pico has recommended settings based on your card and the 3080 is 2nd from the top preset list. You think would run it just fine. I'm waiting to see what the Quest 3 or if the Crystal ever releases and gets good user reviews, until then Pico 4 is now my new favorite.
Opposite for me, went back to the G2. That compression is too much to deal with in MSFS, even with a 4090
Nothing is ever perfect, but the Quest Pro is pretty close imho.
Interesting, I haven't tried that. Good in MSFS?
@@SimHangerFS Yes, excellent imho. With the new v51 PTC local dimming it works even better with night fluing.
@@SimHangerFS Yes of course it is very good with msfs. Now it has Local Dimming it's even much more superior to the Pico 4. You get what you pay for imho.
Quest Pro seems to have the very best optical stack with edge to edge clarity & with best software…
The important question is, where are you flying on this video?!
There is no amd equivalent of the 4090 nothing from amd even comes close
By far the Reverb G2 is the higher quality in its price range. And the small sweet spot to me is not that noticeable. I do not see that as an issue ever in Flight Simulator or other VR games I play. Because your eyes focus is naturally clearer where you're looking.
Do not notice blur where I am looking ever. The Pico 4 is a good for the price.
But in the price range at this moment is the G2 Reverb by a large margin.
Pico 4 is better imo. It just has more features and is overall better.
Last weekend I built my new monster pc. i9-13900ks with 64 gig ddr5 and a Rtx 4090. A new 6e WiFi router completes the setup.
I hope to receive a pico 4 tomorrow. I decided on the pico 4 because it can also be used standalone and does not require cables or external base stations.
I looked at the varjo Aero but availability is poor which means service is poor. The cost is insane especially when adding the price of base stations and controllers.
There are equally good headsets around the corner but since my experience with VR is non existent I decided that a pico 4 is a perfect starter. It gives me time to sit back for a while and see what happens.
Your new system sounds EPIC!
@@SimHangerFS I am 59 mate. Ex 737 jockey. I always had budget computers and I owned the last one for 10 years. Just for once in my life I wanted a high spec machine with all the bells and whistles. Fast so I can make mistakes quicker. Lol
Let's face it. By the time this machine has worn out a nurse will be yelling in my ear "Did you plug it in! I probably be quite satisfied watching the bios loading screen for a few hours.
@@critical_always 🤣😂🤣
@@SimHangerFS... And omg, mind blown. The pico 4 is so clear! I mean... I am actually in that Cessna 152! Staring close up at the knobs and dials like an absolute lunatic.
Gotta take it easy with the motion though. The ears disagree with the eyes. Ugh. But beautiful!
@none of your business exactly! People pushing the outdated G2 need to try the Pico 4. Heck, it's cheaper and better in all ways. I have both and trying to sell my G2 asap and still no takers. There's a reason why.....
Pimax works well