Is the Pro 2 worth it for you? Please let me know! Buy Vive Pro 2 in Europe (799€): bit.ly/vive-pro-2-europe Buy Vive Pro 2 World: www.vive.com/us/product/vive-pro2/overview/ Get those micropone pop filters, important: geni.us/EA2yNmb Get a thinner facepad: bit.ly/quest2-coolfoam
I think hp g2 is better From 4300 to 4800 is not big change
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It looks like it will be worth it for me upgrading from original Vive. Better FOV, better resolution that supports wirelless? Yes please. I've been waiting for this so long. Anyway, you're suggesting getting Quest 2 facepad for Vive Pro 2? How does it fit?
Make news about no mans sky being first DLSS VR game ever after it latests update!
3 года назад
@@jjeeqq Actually Into the Radius was the first VR game to implement DLSS. No Man's Sky was close enough, but not first. :) www.roadtovr.com/into-the-radius-vr-nvidia-dlss/
Same here, waiting on shipping confirmation. HTC rep told me via email support that they start shipments on the 3rd, and ship based on your place in the pre-order queue. I ordered day 1, so he said I should get mine by this weekend.
Great review and video! Now let me tell you a cautionary tale: Interestingly I just got my Pro 2 on Friday and was very excited. I set it up and everything was easy since I had set up Vive headsets before (Vive 1 and Elite) I played Gun Club and was happy enough, didn't notice too much in the way of improved graphics from my G2 but I was okay with that. Then I tried No Man's Sky and the picture was choppy as heck. The screen couldn't stop jumping and I couldn't get a consistent performance. I tried "everything", boosting my RTX 3070 using the X1, updating my Nvidia drivers, turning all my setting down in NMS, nothing was working. I thought maybe it could be that NMS just recently updated and maybe the game was not optimized well, however, it ran perfect on my G2 however, it is on my other rig with a 3090. I decided that I would plug my Elite back in and if that worked fine with the 3070 then it had to be a Vive Pro 2 issue and I would package the Vive Pro 2 up and return it. I'm glad I thought of doing one more thing before that. I went into the Vive display settings and saw that they had "Ultra 90hz" as the default so I tried two things, I turned it down to "High 90hz", that didn't work and as I reached my ultimate level of frustration, I decided just for S&G's to try "Extreme 120hz". I figured that if if couldn't even run on High how could it possibly run on Ultra? To my EXTREME surprise, when I changed it to 120hz, it ran like a dream and purred like a kitten! Lesson learned, this headset doesn't seem to play high end games on 90hz, if you get any issues on more demanding games using any of the 90hz settings, change the settings to the Extreme or Performance settings because those are 120hz. You may save yourself 2 hours of fiddling around.
I think it may have been coincidence. I can't get playable performance in No Man's Sky VR, whether I am using the G2 or the VP2, I get an "acceptable" framerate for only a few seconds (a very stuttery 20 something FPS) and then it drops into the single digits and my GPU frametime graph goes all purple. Been this way ever since I first tried it, switching to Native SteamVR hardly seems to have helped. I'm already running Ultra 120hz, and like 70% resolution scale for that game. Seems like it may be running out of VRAM and that's why it drops to single digit frames, however, lowering the VRAM related settings like textures did not help to prevent this from happening.
I dont know why everyone says: Its only a good idea if you already own lighthouse. I am happy to finally go to lighthouse. I never wanted to go to the Index from the Reverb(G1) because the Index has a too small resolution, but this is finally a good reason to leave those clumsy HP controllers behind me and get a good tracking and a wider FOV
Thanks, Sebastian for a great overview. Mine should be coming tomorrow. Quite nervous if I'll like it based on the mixed reviews. I have a Quest 2, which I love, but I really want a high-end PCR headset to take advantage of my 3090 and flight cockpit.
Excellent review, made me think about what to do with my current Vive 1 paperweight. Loving the Taipei shirt- we're located in Taipei! Keep up the great content!
Thanks for all of the reviews. I'm coming from an OG Vive... The Pro 2 came in the mail yesterday... My weekend starts in 2 hours!!! Also a work around for the pop filter, is just remove all P's from your vocabulary. Save a buck ;) Smider-Man.
The most honest, least biased review so far. So many reviewers have dishonestly been putting out reviews that don't go into depth of the features. Some headsets just straight up also get too much praise for no reason despite having as many compromises.
Thank you Sebastian for your detailed review. I think it's a good option for someone who doesn't have a VR headset yet. Somehow it is something in between, so that one speaks of HTC again.
The horizontal to vertical FOV ratio is my only gripe with the Vive pro 2. We all have spherical eyes which gives a 1:1 horizontal to vertical FOV ratio per eye. The lenses should have also been made with the same aspect ratio even if it meant reducing the Horizontal FOV slightly. This would have given us a better immersion compared to the letterbox symptom you were experiencing.
This is such an excellent, comprehensive review. Thank you! I actually tried both an Index and a VP2, and ended up keeping the Index. Although I noticed an improvement in clarity with the VP2 over the Index, it didn't blow my mind. That said, I only tested the VP2 briefly, and am unsure if it was even set on the highest resolution!
The Vive Pro 2 sounds like a interesting VR headset with the new features it provides. My decision is, do I want to go back to external trackers, which is to be determined. I would need to buy the whole system since I don't have any previous Vive products. I do SIM racing so inside out VR headsets work fine for me and have both the Rift S and HP G2 V2 headsets. G2 had a nice high Resolution, but still for me, a very narrow sweet spot, even with their plastic piece removed for closer eye contact. Rift S has a wider sweet spot and enjoy the headset, but would like a higher Resolution. Reading some Amazon reviews of the Vive Pro 2, some say the sweet spot is not very good. I don't want to pay 1300-1400 dollars for a headset that is not any better than my HP G2. So still in search for a good headset that has a wider sweet spot than my HP G2. I will pass on this headset for now. Too costly to try it out with sweet spot issues, clarity, and need for external trackers. Pimax is also out of the question, looks to cumbersome, finicky to setup, external trackers, etc. thanks for the review. take care.
Thanks for the great review. Read a lot of them and I feel this will be the one that will match my experience as I got a similar IPD of you (My IPD is 65mm) and facial structure. The vertical FOV is the only thing that concern me (I was the guy that delayed switching from 4:3 monitors too 16:10 until I had no choice) but all the other improvement over my 2016 VIVE am currently using is enough for me to keep my preorder.
Well I think you will be in for a real treat coming from the OG VIVE! The SDE on that was so bad. Even if you are someone who doesnt think its so bad or doesnt stop you getting immersed, I 100% guarantee that once you put on a newer high res HMD, you will not be able to go back.
I'm not listening with monitors, but I think I prefer the pro 2's audio based on what I am listening too. The Index sounds a little bit muddy, while the pro 2 sounds crisper. I think you can boost the bass in Windows audio settings to make the pro 2 sound deeper as well.
hello seb. what is the temperature of the device after 2 hours of continuous use? Nobody has mentioned that yet, or does the device not warm up? very nice review.
@@mixedrealityTV hey Seb what do you think about VP2 stereo overlap?risa2000.github.io/hmdgdb/ 80° vs 84° on index and g2,people on reddit really complain about this tho i dont really think the 4° should be noticeable and affect the image or 3d effect so much if at all compared to index or g2.did you notice any difference compared to g2 and index in the presence,3d,depth etc?i mean people obviously nit pick everything at 800$ just so they can justify returning the headset but i was curious,my vp2 arrived and compared to index and my g2 that i sold there wasnt any 3d difference.
Vive Pro owner with GearVR mod + wireless adapter! Can't wait for the Pro 2 with the Wireless adaptor firmware upgrade for it! I also have a Quest 2 and Link/Air Link is meah not to speak about the extremely very small FOV (I have an IPD of 69mm and while the Vive PRO just works, on the quest 2 I can actually see the Single Screen Edges -_- Not to mention the poor compression and visual quality when using Link/Air Link) So can't wait for my Vive Pro 2 to get here sooner! Any day now as I pre-ordered on the 2nd day -_-
Absolutely loved the review Sebastian!! No matter where I go, you will always have the best reviews that give the most information which answers all my questions. I've already preordered my headset and this will be my first time using the Valve Knuckles. Based on your videos, I have always been inspired because of you. I can't thank you enough good sir!!
Thank you Sebastian, Great review. I remember when I lens modded the vive pro and boom. Glare gone and and perfect clarity. Maybe similiar mod can be done here?
I look forward to hearing about wireless performance. I switched to the Reverb G2 because of the much greater clarity, but losing wireless and having to use a cable setup really sucked (not enough to keep me on the Pro though).
Cant be talking about the vive pro 2 right? Vive pro 2 has way better clarity and a much larger sweet spot when wired I haven't used wirless yet so I can give an opion to that. I've owned a Rift a quest 2 a odysee+ and a cv1 kit and the vive pro 2 is much better as far as visuals go. The only thing I hate are the dumb ass controllers. Using a RTX 3080 Extreme settings usb 3.1 gen 2 connected 10gen i7
@@CarlosHernandez-rq5rx Yeah I was talking about the Vive Pro 1. Since then I bought a Vive Pro 2 and switched to that. Definitely the best of both worlds for wired and wireless! If you don't like the controllers you might want to consider the Valve Index controllers, since they are compatible. Of course that is an additional expense.
Just a general comment with a question or two. What is it about the wands that gets sm hate? (Granted I’m a little biased as they were my ‘first’ Proper VR controllers, I love them to death ever since OG Vive. Index controllers are great, when I get a Vive Pro 2 {For like £500 cheaper} I’d probably keep the controllers and get Index controllers. Some games just feel better with Wands.) Edit: General Grammar / Spelling Corrections :)
@@tigolbiddies5444 Personally I've never had a big problem with the wands. For certain games where you need to pull the trigger a lot I'd actually favor them over all other options. I think a lot of the hate for them may date back to the original Vive vs Oculus Rift, where the Vive wands were considered to be kind of large and bulky. (Personally the Rift controllers were a bit small for my hands, so I never liked them much.) And then the Index controllers now have better grabbing mechanics. I still use my Vive controllers more than half the time, but some people seemingly don't like them, so to each their own.
The big problem with VR now is lack of content! Oculus keeps promoting discount specials on software, but I just don't see anything else to buy. Aside from flight simulators, Half life and Pavlov, there really aren't that many reasons to buy such an expensive device. I look forward to the day when I can play something like Cyberpunk in VR. That would motivate me more to spend more on hardware.
Just got my Vive pro 2 and thought I'd share my experience. Index owner here and I must say I was not impressed by the Vive pro 2. I was pretty optimistic after this review but I just could not enjoy it. I could have lived with the worse comfort and audio quality but the fov, sweet spot, glare and edge to edge clarity where pretty bad for me. I got 108 horizontal and 74 vertical (with 6mm face gasket, measured in vr tools) on Index I get 106 horizontal and 96 vertical (Pretty standard face dimensions and an ipd of 68mm) The resolution was obviously better and pretty noticeable, also the colors and blacks where a little better. Still, the entire experience as a whole felt like a big step down. I could not enjoy the improved resolution of the screen due all the issue's I had with the glare, sweet spot, etc. I can't really image a scenario I would prefer this over the index (tried, games, movies, etc.). Sad to say it but I will definitely return this
This is what I was afraid about... I have the Vive PRO, I bought the index and I had to return the index because I couldn’t stand the colors and the blacks (greys). If you say the FOV is poorer it’s a deal breaker for me. Why would they choose to do a window thing...? It’s not good. I’ll have to pass on this one I guess. I canceled my pre order.
As an owner of the Reverb G2 since December, I have also pre-ordered the Vive Pro 2. Why? Because the cable for the Reverb G2 is VERY sensitive and I'm one of the unfortunate customers that has a faulty cable. (Google Reverb G2 cable problems to see what I mean). It's been months and still waiting on a replacement cable. So instead of depending on a G2 cable replacement, Im now looking forward to a Vive Pro 2.
Unfortunately I had to return my Vive Pro 2, the quality was significantly lower than my Reverb G2. I couldn't deal with it. The circles on the lens was very dominate. Especially in dark scenes. Luckily my reverb G2 cable has arrived and Im taking special care of it this time.
The $16 Kiwi Design 6mm Face Pad for the OG Vive works as well and is available from Amazon. I bought it for my original Vive back in 2018 and it fits perfectly to my Vive Pro 2. It's a very substantial FOV increase. If anyone knows of a cloth alternative (I don't really like PU leather) that is about 6mm thick like the Kiwi face pad I'd love to know...
Pre-ordered the Pro 2 when you announced it was available for pre-order. Very excited to see how it performs with the wireless module! PS. I also signed up to your Patreon, excited to be a member!
Good news! I received my pre-order yesterday! I did pre-order right when it became available, so my fast shipment was likely due to being early in the list.
@@connorhalloran9630 I have more space for my glasses within the pro2 .The fov of the g2 is good For normal games and race games,but for flicht sims its too narrow for my.
Good review I pre ordered mine, cant wait, I had the reverb g2 and had to have good tracking with that resalution, so I sold my g2 and bought a used og vive unit ready for my upgrade when it arrives
@@dakakuu I was so close to pressing the cancel button yesterday, but Sebs comment about the colour improvement and near FOV made it easier for me to at least try it.
Great review! Very helpful to get the breakdown of whether someone should buy based on their current headset (and older GPUs), particularly including some of the much older original headsets FYI for the pop filter, you might find the kind made by Gomet more attractive, which is more like a little bonbon/sweet shape as opposed to the mustache. Prob slightly cheaper too
Can you find people outside of the IPD specs and see how comfortable it is? Specifically, I have an IPD of 74.1 and want to know if it's usable. Thanks
comprehensive review, thank you. Embarrassing that HTC forces customers to mod the so-called Pro HMD with third-party facial padding while still not getting the promised 120 degrees HFOV and wind filters to improve the quality of the cheap and poorly placed microphone. It's not about additional costs but the effort for business customers to subsequently remedy the laziness in product development. This should not happen when targeting companies as the main customer group. This always boggles me with HTC. At least not as disastrous as with Cosmos.
HTC is no different than others. Want good customers service? Then you need to buy business VR headset. Preferably something with yearly subscription like Varjo.
Hey, I'm loving the content and amazing reviews! I don't know if you read all your comments but if you do I'd appreciate some advice. I have the OG Vive right now, and I'm really ambitious to upgrade. I have the money for the new HTC headset, but do you think it'd be worth it to wait for something like an Index 2? Just thought I'd ask for a second opinion, keep up the great videos!
A very good review. I only missed the software side as I read somewhere that a separate Vive software is required to run the Vive pro 2, which is something I don't really like.
the thin cushion you used to increase your fov says its for the quest. It fits perfectly for the pro 2? have a pro 2 on pre-order and I want the fov. You have the best review so far! Keep it up!
Great break down. I'm really looking forward to thoughts on wireless. I'm using wireless with my cosmos elite. For me, no other vr solution compares. I've heard of the issues right now with wireless and pro 2. Hope it gets resolved.
Thanks! Great review and answered my question on if the LCD has the contrast to compete with the Vive Pro, which is still my favorite. Looks, like I have my replacement for the lighthouse ecosystem. I am just not sure if it is worth $250 more than the Index.
really didn’t expect another base station VR headset release. Guess I shouldn’t have sold my base stations. Goes to show that nobody really knows what’s going on in the market until it happens.
I have the G2, but I already invested in base stations and Index controllers to improve the experience. So I just placed an order for a Vive Pro 2 yesterday, because I am sick of technical issues with WMR and I want to be rid of it. Sometimes my headset only gives me 3DOF tracking and it makes me motion sick, and I have no idea what the issue is, it takes multiple tries restarting and rebooting everything to fix and sometimes takes me 30+ minutes before it works properly again. I can probably get about $500 back selling my G2 with all the accessories I have for it, so the upgrade doesn't actually cost me that much. And now knowing that the performance will be better too (I expected it to be worse and my 2080 Super already struggles with some games like No Man's Sky and VRChat on the G2) I'm happy about my decision. Shame about the microphone though. I've already placed an order for some of those pop filters, but even with that, there is still some popping in your test and the mic just doesn't sound very good. But it's good enough and still better than Rift S and Quest mics that so many people are using. But it will be a downgrade from the G2 and I really liked the floating headphones too. It's like magic feeling like I'm not wearing anything on my ears and yet the sound is all around me. But I'll probably get used to it.
I received the VP2. It's a *big* downgrade over the G2 in terms of image, the image just doesn't seem sharp at all, text in SteamVR (like when looking at my desktop) is noticeably blurry with soft fuzzy edges, and makes me want to squint to read it more easily, which should not be the case when looking at a 1080p image, the VP2's resolution is so far above 1080p. That is really a huge shame, because the Vive Pro 2 is *so* much more comfortable than the G2, I didn't realize how uncomfortable the G2 was because I didn't have anything to compare it with until now. I am using my old glasses though. I have prescription lenses on the G2 which I had to get because the G2 did not fit well over my glasses and they were pushed against my head. But I need to design and 3D print a new mount to fit them on the VP2. My old glasses are too weak (by about 1.0, my glasses are -3.25 but my actual eyesight is -4.5), it does not bother me in normal use, so I did not think that it would be making the image blurry, since I am only trying to look at objects that are relatively up close, it shouldn't make such a night and day difference. But maybe, some of my qualms about the sharpness of the screens can be solved with the right strength glasses or prescription lenses. For sure it will still be less sharp than the G2, but right now, edges look very blurry even on lower resolution content like looking at text on my desktop, I feel it should not be this bad, it makes it hard to read, and feels more like 1.5K screens than 2.5K. I don't want to go back to Windows Mixed Reality with its software issues and jank, or the front heavy G2 that always feels like it's pressing on my head no matter how I adjust it. The VP2 just kind of sits there, perfectly balanced without feeling like it squeezes on any part of my head, it feels like it might even fall off if I move my head quickly, but still feels like it's well aligned and positioned without needing to tighten it, the G2 needs to be tight until it squeezes my face or the headset will slip down on my face and I can't get a good alignment. I wish there was another Native SteamVR headset that could compete with or exceed the G2 in specs and actual picture and audio quality. But there doesn't seem to be anything. Maybe the Varjo Aero, but I don't have €2000. So I'm not sure what to do, I really want to be rid of WMR but the VP2 is such a big downgrade in the graphics area. At least the increased FOV is quite nice, it feels like the horizontal FOV is pretty close to the useful FOV of my eyes, I can just about move my eye to look centered at the edge of the screen, beyond that it would quickly start getting blurry if I had more peripheral just due to not being able to focus my eyes directly on it, not that peripheral vision isn't useful, but actually it feels like it's covering most of my horizontal FOV now. The other downgrades, like the audio, are things I can get used to. Even the glare, I think I could get used to, as it's mostly visible around the edges, and I am used to keeping my eyes in the center anyway where the image is the most clear. The glare used to bother me when I first got the G2 but now I hardly ever notice it at all. I notice it much more on the VP2 but still will probably get used to it eventually. The headphones touching my ears doesn't bother me, because they barely touch them and they feel like super soft pillows. But one thing I didn't realize, is that they muffle my voice when I talk. Which is distracting when playing something like VRChat, where I'm talking a lot. You have the same issue with regular headphones too of course, but I thought it might not happen here because they only touch your ears, they don't go over/around them or squeeze them like normal headphones. But I got used to that with headphones so might get used to it here too. I am considering a USB-C adapter (I assume an ordinary USB sound card would also work, and I have one of those I could test if I buy a USB-C to male USB adapter) to use my own headphones, if I need something touching my ears anyway, I have way better headphones than this that don't squeeze on my head and the VP2 strap goes well clear of my ears so there is plenty of space even to wear big headphones, they designed it well.
I've had the Vive pro 2 since yesterday, The G2 and 8kx.. If money was no object if have kept the 8kx so you won't go wrong there. I thing the Vive pro 2 is best overall considering price to performance though. Happy gaming.
@@sonsolar How did you find the black levels compared to the G2? Is it that much of a noticeable difference? I'm leaning more towards the G2 but black levels was one of the main factors that will sway my decision. I imagine the glare of the vp2 kind of ruins the black levels in some cases though, like it did with the Index. Also weight - vp2 is extremely heavy so, is it noticeably less comfortable? I found the index way too heavy, which is similar weight to the vp2.
@@mixedrealityTV What a funny solution. Wondering if i could just use my own headset and mic and them configure it to use my mic instead of the bad one on the headset. Non the less, thanks for answering back! Happy days from Denmark!
Getting Vive Pro 2. Newegg has the same preorder discount plus it had an extra $20 off earlier, so I'm getting it for 720. Plus the index controllers for 280. Unfortunately, it looks like I have to get the HTC Base Stations for 400 combined. So I'm still getting it for the combined $1400. Sure would've been nice to be able to buy the Index Base Stations if they were in stock to get the whole kit for $1300 instead.
Quick question - the VR Cover you linked in the description leads to a Quest 2 cover - is it the correct one? Just to make sure since there's nothing on the page that says it fits for the Vive Pro 2. Thanks for a really good review either way!
12:40 as an audiophile myself, listening to these clips on a $30 000 audio system, it sounds way more balanced and refined on the Pro 2. But hard to capture headphone audio properly, so who knows. I haven't bothered to test them on my Pro 2, as I use a fairly high-end surround system on my gaming rig, and I only play sitting down. Except the occasional glare, I'm pretty happy with my Pro 2. The sweet spot is way bigger than on my previous Pro (1) and the OG Vive, for sure. Still some screen door effect, but it's almost good enough for desktop use.
Hello little brother! You have convinced me to buy this headset with receptors and controllers! I love your channel and i love you in the spirit of the Lord! God bless you and Jesus loves you!
I found the Vive Pro having the worst God Rays , and the index 30 percent less ..The index Sweet Spot is my biggest problem ...I'd most likely would tolerate Vive Pro 2 glare , But not Crackling Sound and Occasional Grey outs ...I'm Glad Things have been Cleared up, and the people Who Pre ordered feel Refreshed
Maybe its just me, but to me the Pro 2's audio sounded better? I mean it definitely has room for improvement as its too tinny & needs a bit more bass, but to me the Index's bass was WAY too strong and drowned out the rest of the song, I'm not sure how an audiophile would prefer overpowering bass over non-overpowering bass. But maybe it can be adjusted somewhere to be less-bassy. Although maybe that's just me, I do find my choice of headphones is very limited because I find most everything too bassy, even the razer blackshark v2 x which was highly praised for its audio quality, with lots of reviews I watched & read saying it was "Very well balanced", only for me to try it with music & games & finding its bass not as overpowering as some headphones I've used, but still greatly exaggerating the bass. This was with the proper software too, and even after trying to adjust it & trying its different modes, I couldn't make it sound comfortable, like my current Hyper X Stinger headphones which to my ears have a good audio balance. (not cloud stinger) Maybe one day I'll get to try both vr sets in person to tell what I like more :P
Had the valve index, upgraded to the reverb G2 and Visuals are excellent which is most important to me (besides tracking). I have the light houses and knuckles controllers still. I feel motion sickness more with the reverb G2 probably because of the 90hz and tracking. Is it worth upgraded to the Vive pro 2 from here I wonder???
There's another answer to those controllers that I would have liked to see. Keep the same form factor but add new features!. Think how the Dual Shock changed over the years!
I ended up getting Index controllers + lighthouses w/ this headset. We'll see if the few issues bother me enough to return it and just get an Index instead. Kind of annoyed at how expensive the wireless upgrade is. Gonna be doing wired for now, but mostly only planning to play Elite: Dangerous and other sims for now so wired isn't too big an issue.
It looks like there are 2 microphones on the Vive Pro 2, but you only put a pop filter on the bottom one. Would putting a pop filter on both of them perhaps help reduce the issue even more than just putting one on the bottom one, since popping was still quite apparent with just one filter? I'll be putting one on both of them, in any case. It can't hurt.
Hey Sebastian, do you think 7invensun will ever release the F2 modules at all? They only released the P1 for the Pimax headsets (and I learned that they DO work well, if plugged into the motherboard USB3). There's nothing for the F1 that doesn't have any way to buy for the original Vive Pro or the Cosmos Elite.
hi handsome. question- could you send a link to the music. i enjoyed it-iwant to gear a clean version. question- what manufacturer do you think will introduce a better product than HTC? thanks for your time and review.
I used to use a rift! (Oculus link) the oculus broke on me with a recent update! Do you still recommend this upgrade? Also where do you get the pop filter
Regarding the sweetspot - from my personal experience with both the Valve Index and the HP Reverb G2 I can tell that the sweetspot and the edge-to-edge clrarity was noticeably better in the Valve Index for me - what does this mean? - It means take this info in the reviews very careful - you MAY NOT assume that one has better sweetspot than the other - it depends greatly on your shape of head, etc. From what I have overall heard though - I believe the Oculus headsets might really have the tendency to have better sweetspots than these high-end headsets (I can't confirm this as I only had the oculus rift, which had a way too low resolution to be able to judge the sweetspot well in my opinion)
I got one because it is heavily discounted now, it can be had for 529 euros where I am but, after testing it with lighthouse and Index controllers VS a friends Index kit, I decided to send it back and just get the Index. Yes picture quality is better, tracking is the same (ish, I did get some tracking inconsistencies) and for my face it is slightly more comfortable but almost everything else is worse: -glare is worse, with distinct Fresnel rings visible; -smaller sweet spot and worse edge to edge clarity; -because of the small focused area, the image overall has a blurry vibe to it; -speakers are worse, less dynamic range as far as I can tell; -gets noticeably hotter and I didn't even try to disable the Variable Automatic Lighting, which is supposed to make it even hotter, if that is still a valid option with the current drivers/software; -the software is still buggy. I just played two games, HL Alyx and Beat Saber for 4-5 hours in total and I got a decent amount of errors, from the games POV just breaking, and me getting in a random position unable to move, to the VIVE console reporting all sorts of errors that required restarts; Needless to say that in the same scenarios, the Index behaved flawlessly. I know they are both old products by now but maybe this is helpful for somebody.
Excellent thorough review! I would also like you to add one more ending buying case - coming from if you don't have any headset at all and want to get a high end PCVR one, which is now the best high end one to get from scratch? Is it Reverb G2, or this one? I am concerned about the lens on vivepro 2 as VoodooDeVR really hated them.
Is the Pro 2 worth it for you? Please let me know!
Buy Vive Pro 2 in Europe (799€): bit.ly/vive-pro-2-europe
Buy Vive Pro 2 World: www.vive.com/us/product/vive-pro2/overview/
Get those micropone pop filters, important: geni.us/EA2yNmb
Get a thinner facepad: bit.ly/quest2-coolfoam
I think hp g2 is better
From 4300 to 4800 is not big change
It looks like it will be worth it for me upgrading from original Vive. Better FOV, better resolution that supports wirelless? Yes please. I've been waiting for this so long.
Anyway, you're suggesting getting Quest 2 facepad for Vive Pro 2? How does it fit?
Make news about no mans sky being first DLSS VR game ever after it latests update!
@@jjeeqq Actually Into the Radius was the first VR game to implement DLSS. No Man's Sky was close enough, but not first. :)
www.roadtovr.com/into-the-radius-vr-nvidia-dlss/
When does this ship ? Today ?
An excellent review covering all bases and even including benchmarks was a nice bonus!
Thanks for the full review! Still waiting on shipping confirmation for my pre-order, but my Knuckles will be here tomorrow.
Same here, waiting on shipping confirmation. HTC rep told me via email support that they start shipments on the 3rd, and ship based on your place in the pre-order queue. I ordered day 1, so he said I should get mine by this weekend.
Great review and video! Now let me tell you a cautionary tale: Interestingly I just got my Pro 2 on Friday and was very excited. I set it up and everything was easy since I had set up Vive headsets before (Vive 1 and Elite) I played Gun Club and was happy enough, didn't notice too much in the way of improved graphics from my G2 but I was okay with that. Then I tried No Man's Sky and the picture was choppy as heck. The screen couldn't stop jumping and I couldn't get a consistent performance. I tried "everything", boosting my RTX 3070 using the X1, updating my Nvidia drivers, turning all my setting down in NMS, nothing was working. I thought maybe it could be that NMS just recently updated and maybe the game was not optimized well, however, it ran perfect on my G2 however, it is on my other rig with a 3090. I decided that I would plug my Elite back in and if that worked fine with the 3070 then it had to be a Vive Pro 2 issue and I would package the Vive Pro 2 up and return it. I'm glad I thought of doing one more thing before that. I went into the Vive display settings and saw that they had "Ultra 90hz" as the default so I tried two things, I turned it down to "High 90hz", that didn't work and as I reached my ultimate level of frustration, I decided just for S&G's to try "Extreme 120hz". I figured that if if couldn't even run on High how could it possibly run on Ultra? To my EXTREME surprise, when I changed it to 120hz, it ran like a dream and purred like a kitten!
Lesson learned, this headset doesn't seem to play high end games on 90hz, if you get any issues on more demanding games using any of the 90hz settings, change the settings to the Extreme or Performance settings because those are 120hz. You may save yourself 2 hours of fiddling around.
Try turn off Motion Smoothing in the Vive Console.
I think it may have been coincidence. I can't get playable performance in No Man's Sky VR, whether I am using the G2 or the VP2, I get an "acceptable" framerate for only a few seconds (a very stuttery 20 something FPS) and then it drops into the single digits and my GPU frametime graph goes all purple. Been this way ever since I first tried it, switching to Native SteamVR hardly seems to have helped. I'm already running Ultra 120hz, and like 70% resolution scale for that game. Seems like it may be running out of VRAM and that's why it drops to single digit frames, however, lowering the VRAM related settings like textures did not help to prevent this from happening.
I dont know why everyone says: Its only a good idea if you already own lighthouse. I am happy to finally go to lighthouse. I never wanted to go to the Index from the Reverb(G1) because the Index has a too small resolution, but this is finally a good reason to leave those clumsy HP controllers behind me and get a good tracking and a wider FOV
now THAT was a solid review. nice work. the people who want to get into VR who find this stuff are lucky and served very well. good job
Upgrading from an OG Vive and very excited. Have the knuckles and wireless adapter also.
I bought 2 vive's and like their controllers and the lighthouse stuff for like 100 bucks. what would be the investment to bring it to the modern?
Thank you for the review! I liked the comparison in the end whether one should update depending on the current headset in use.
Thanks, Sebastian for a great overview. Mine should be coming tomorrow. Quite nervous if I'll like it based on the mixed reviews. I have a Quest 2, which I love, but I really want a high-end PCR headset to take advantage of my 3090 and flight cockpit.
What did you think about it?
Great video. I appreciate your thoughts for all of the different owners of current headsets.
Excellent review, made me think about what to do with my current Vive 1 paperweight. Loving the Taipei shirt- we're located in Taipei! Keep up the great content!
Thanks for all of the reviews. I'm coming from an OG Vive... The Pro 2 came in the mail yesterday... My weekend starts in 2 hours!!!
Also a work around for the pop filter, is just remove all P's from your vocabulary. Save a buck ;) Smider-Man.
What about eye tracking and mouth tracking?
I know they are upgrade modules, which is disheartening, but is there more information on them?
Yes, they all are available. I will test it all out.
wat? The pro 2 is literally the same as the pro. The facial tracker will work EXACTLY the same as it does on the pro...
The most honest, least biased review so far. So many reviewers have dishonestly been putting out reviews that don't go into depth of the features. Some headsets just straight up also get too much praise for no reason despite having as many compromises.
Your English improved godspeed.
Thank you Sebastian for your detailed review.
I think it's a good option for someone who doesn't have a VR headset yet. Somehow it is something in between, so that one speaks of HTC again.
The horizontal to vertical FOV ratio is my only gripe with the Vive pro 2. We all have spherical eyes which gives a 1:1 horizontal to vertical FOV ratio per eye. The lenses should have also been made with the same aspect ratio even if it meant reducing the Horizontal FOV slightly. This would have given us a better immersion compared to the letterbox symptom you were experiencing.
This is such an excellent, comprehensive review. Thank you!
I actually tried both an Index and a VP2, and ended up keeping the Index. Although I noticed an improvement in clarity with the VP2 over the Index, it didn't blow my mind. That said, I only tested the VP2 briefly, and am unsure if it was even set on the highest resolution!
Thank you! I've got my pre order in and I'm looking forward to experiencing the upgrade from my original Vive
When does it ship?
There is one important problem with this headset - you can't perform lens mode on it like you could on VIVE and VIVE Pro.
The Vive Pro 2 sounds like a interesting VR headset with the new features it provides. My decision is, do I want to go back to external trackers, which is to be determined. I would need to buy the whole system since I don't have any previous Vive products.
I do SIM racing so inside out VR headsets work fine for me and have both the Rift S and HP G2 V2 headsets. G2 had a nice high Resolution, but still for me, a very narrow sweet spot, even with their plastic piece removed for closer eye contact. Rift S has a wider sweet spot and enjoy the headset, but would like a higher Resolution.
Reading some Amazon reviews of the Vive Pro 2, some say the sweet spot is not very good. I don't want to pay 1300-1400 dollars for a headset that is not any better than my HP G2.
So still in search for a good headset that has a wider sweet spot than my HP G2. I will pass on this headset for now. Too costly to try it out with sweet spot issues, clarity, and need for external trackers. Pimax is also out of the question, looks to cumbersome, finicky to setup, external trackers, etc.
thanks for the review. take care.
Out of curiosity.
What have you gone with?
Thanks for the great review. Read a lot of them and I feel this will be the one that will match my experience as I got a similar IPD of you (My IPD is 65mm) and facial structure. The vertical FOV is the only thing that concern me (I was the guy that delayed switching from 4:3 monitors too 16:10 until I had no choice) but all the other improvement over my 2016 VIVE am currently using is enough for me to keep my preorder.
Well I think you will be in for a real treat coming from the OG VIVE! The SDE on that was so bad. Even if you are someone who doesnt think its so bad or doesnt stop you getting immersed, I 100% guarantee that once you put on a newer high res HMD, you will not be able to go back.
I'm not listening with monitors, but I think I prefer the pro 2's audio based on what I am listening too. The Index sounds a little bit muddy, while the pro 2 sounds crisper. I think you can boost the bass in Windows audio settings to make the pro 2 sound deeper as well.
hello seb. what is the temperature of the device after 2 hours of continuous use? Nobody has mentioned that yet, or does the device not warm up? very nice review.
Just handwarm. No problem with hat this time around! Better than index.
@@mixedrealityTV hey Seb what do you think about VP2 stereo overlap?risa2000.github.io/hmdgdb/ 80° vs 84° on index and g2,people on reddit really complain about this tho i dont really think the 4° should be noticeable and affect the image or 3d effect so much if at all compared to index or g2.did you notice any difference compared to g2 and index in the presence,3d,depth etc?i mean people obviously nit pick everything at 800$ just so they can justify returning the headset but i was curious,my vp2 arrived and compared to index and my g2 that i sold there wasnt any 3d difference.
Vive Pro owner with GearVR mod + wireless adapter!
Can't wait for the Pro 2 with the Wireless adaptor firmware upgrade for it!
I also have a Quest 2 and Link/Air Link is meah not to speak about the extremely very small FOV (I have an IPD of 69mm and while the Vive PRO just works, on the quest 2 I can actually see the Single Screen Edges -_- Not to mention the poor compression and visual quality when using Link/Air Link)
So can't wait for my Vive Pro 2 to get here sooner! Any day now as I pre-ordered on the 2nd day -_-
Absolutely loved the review Sebastian!! No matter where I go, you will always have the best reviews that give the most information which answers all my questions. I've already preordered my headset and this will be my first time using the Valve Knuckles. Based on your videos, I have always been inspired because of you. I can't thank you enough good sir!!
When does this ship? @David Gray
Thank you Sebastian, Great review. I remember when I lens modded the vive pro and boom. Glare gone and and perfect clarity. Maybe similiar mod can be done here?
Very unlikely, because the pro 2 design based on those double stacked fresnel's.
One of the best reviews I've ever seen. Amazing job! Still holding on to my Vive Pro 1 for now until you can review the Decagear.
Same here. Funny, you say that.
your arms are gonna fall off and decay
I look forward to hearing about wireless performance. I switched to the Reverb G2 because of the much greater clarity, but losing wireless and having to use a cable setup really sucked (not enough to keep me on the Pro though).
Cant be talking about the vive pro 2 right? Vive pro 2 has way better clarity and a much larger sweet spot when wired I haven't used wirless yet so I can give an opion to that. I've owned a Rift a quest 2 a odysee+ and a cv1 kit and the vive pro 2 is much better as far as visuals go. The only thing I hate are the dumb ass controllers. Using a RTX 3080 Extreme settings usb 3.1 gen 2 connected 10gen i7
@@CarlosHernandez-rq5rx Yeah I was talking about the Vive Pro 1. Since then I bought a Vive Pro 2 and switched to that. Definitely the best of both worlds for wired and wireless!
If you don't like the controllers you might want to consider the Valve Index controllers, since they are compatible. Of course that is an additional expense.
Just a general comment with a question or two.
What is it about the wands that gets sm hate?
(Granted I’m a little biased as they were my ‘first’ Proper VR controllers, I love them to death ever since OG Vive. Index controllers are great, when I get a Vive Pro 2 {For like £500 cheaper} I’d probably keep the controllers and get Index controllers. Some games just feel better with Wands.)
Edit: General Grammar / Spelling Corrections :)
@@tigolbiddies5444 Personally I've never had a big problem with the wands. For certain games where you need to pull the trigger a lot I'd actually favor them over all other options.
I think a lot of the hate for them may date back to the original Vive vs Oculus Rift, where the Vive wands were considered to be kind of large and bulky. (Personally the Rift controllers were a bit small for my hands, so I never liked them much.) And then the Index controllers now have better grabbing mechanics.
I still use my Vive controllers more than half the time, but some people seemingly don't like them, so to each their own.
The big problem with VR now is lack of content! Oculus keeps promoting discount specials on software, but I just don't see anything else to buy. Aside from flight simulators, Half life and Pavlov, there really aren't that many reasons to buy such an expensive device. I look forward to the day when I can play something like Cyberpunk in VR. That would motivate me more to spend more on hardware.
updating from the og vive... cant wait
Just got my Vive pro 2 and thought I'd share my experience. Index owner here and I must say I was not impressed by the Vive pro 2. I was pretty optimistic after this review but I just could not enjoy it. I could have lived with the worse comfort and audio quality but the fov, sweet spot, glare and edge to edge clarity where pretty bad for me. I got 108 horizontal and 74 vertical (with 6mm face gasket, measured in vr tools) on Index I get 106 horizontal and 96 vertical (Pretty standard face dimensions and an ipd of 68mm) The resolution was obviously better and pretty noticeable, also the colors and blacks where a little better. Still, the entire experience as a whole felt like a big step down. I could not enjoy the improved resolution of the screen due all the issue's I had with the glare, sweet spot, etc. I can't really image a scenario I would prefer this over the index (tried, games, movies, etc.). Sad to say it but I will definitely return this
This is what I was afraid about... I have the Vive PRO, I bought the index and I had to return the index because I couldn’t stand the colors and the blacks (greys). If you say the FOV is poorer it’s a deal breaker for me. Why would they choose to do a window thing...? It’s not good. I’ll have to pass on this one I guess.
I canceled my pre order.
Guess I will stick with my G2 'til next year~ BTW, nice TAIPEI shirt~~ :)
thanks, I'm a quest owner , I've waited this long, 2022 looks promising, lets see what next gen looks like.
For the microphone pop test I suggest "Peter Parker Probably Plays Piano"
As an owner of the Reverb G2 since December, I have also pre-ordered the Vive Pro 2. Why? Because the cable for the Reverb G2 is VERY sensitive and I'm one of the unfortunate customers that has a faulty cable. (Google Reverb G2 cable problems to see what I mean). It's been months and still waiting on a replacement cable. So instead of depending on a G2 cable replacement, Im now looking forward to a Vive Pro 2.
Unfortunately I had to return my Vive Pro 2, the quality was significantly lower than my Reverb G2. I couldn't deal with it. The circles on the lens was very dominate. Especially in dark scenes. Luckily my reverb G2 cable has arrived and Im taking special care of it this time.
The $16 Kiwi Design 6mm Face Pad for the OG Vive works as well and is available from Amazon. I bought it for my original Vive back in 2018 and it fits perfectly to my Vive Pro 2. It's a very substantial FOV increase. If anyone knows of a cloth alternative (I don't really like PU leather) that is about 6mm thick like the Kiwi face pad I'd love to know...
Pre-ordered the Pro 2 when you announced it was available for pre-order. Very excited to see how it performs with the wireless module! PS. I also signed up to your Patreon, excited to be a member!
When does this ship?
Good news! I received my pre-order yesterday! I did pre-order right when it became available, so my fast shipment was likely due to being early in the list.
The best.better collors,better contrast,bigger vof,smooter and better softwhare,better tracking,over the g2.I sale my hp g2.
@@connorhalloran9630 I have more space for my glasses within the pro2 .The fov of the g2 is good For normal games and race games,but for flicht sims its too narrow for my.
Thank you very much, best review so far about pro 2!
Unbiased and clear as ever, ty!!
Thank you!
I'm coming from a CV1. Everything is better to me.
Same, but I want to wait and see what the next index will be. We'll have to switch tracking anyway. Good luck I suppose.
I have cv1 but with a stupid gtx 1070..
Considering index instead of g2 or pro2.. Still no rtx3080ti available 😢
Valve Index is the way to go brother
@@CraigMansfield sorry, i'm not sure to have understood. "Best sound, best controler...." Are you talking about CV1 or index ?
LOL me too
I'm definitely buying this.
Fps performance gains is the big one here + good screen panel
Nice , thanks for vid
Holy crap!!! My VP2 has shipped!! Right on the first day of release!! Didn't expect that!! : )
Awesome review MRTV! Lots of helpful information on your video. Probably worth it for me.
Good review I pre ordered mine, cant wait, I had the reverb g2 and had to have good tracking with that resalution, so I sold my g2 and bought a used og vive unit ready for my upgrade when it arrives
I have an 8KX and a PC that can push it very well, was really unsure about cancelling my VP2 and I’ve decided after this review to at least try it.
I got 8kx aswell and cancelled my vp2 pre order. Damn now Id like to try one out. Hard decisions
@@dakakuu I was so close to pressing the cancel button yesterday, but Sebs comment about the colour improvement and near FOV made it easier for me to at least try it.
@@dakakuu just try it htc is very good with returns anyway you aint got nothing to lose,im very happy with my vp2
Thanks for your suggestion on FOV! I simply cut the foam padding to 1/2 of its thickness and damn it's a huge difference
Great review! Very helpful to get the breakdown of whether someone should buy based on their current headset (and older GPUs), particularly including some of the much older original headsets
FYI for the pop filter, you might find the kind made by Gomet more attractive, which is more like a little bonbon/sweet shape as opposed to the mustache. Prob slightly cheaper too
I was gonna suggest looking for something other than the “Hitler mustache”.🤔
Can you find people outside of the IPD specs and see how comfortable it is?
Specifically, I have an IPD of 74.1 and want to know if it's usable.
Thanks
57 here. I also want to know if it is really what says
comprehensive review, thank you. Embarrassing that HTC forces customers to mod the so-called Pro HMD with third-party facial padding while still not getting the promised 120 degrees HFOV and wind filters to improve the quality of the cheap and poorly placed microphone. It's not about additional costs but the effort for business customers to subsequently remedy the laziness in product development. This should not happen when targeting companies as the main customer group. This always boggles me with HTC. At least not as disastrous as with Cosmos.
Fantastic and objective review (even though I have no interest in buying this, due to HTC's customer service).
Unfortunately there isn’t much competition as far as customer support. Crossing my fingers for an index 2
HTC is no different than others. Want good customers service? Then you need to buy business VR headset. Preferably something with yearly subscription like Varjo.
A fan from Taiwan 🇹🇼！A Great review and a nice T-shirt 👍
Hey, I'm loving the content and amazing reviews! I don't know if you read all your comments but if you do I'd appreciate some advice. I have the OG Vive right now, and I'm really ambitious to upgrade. I have the money for the new HTC headset, but do you think it'd be worth it to wait for something like an Index 2? Just thought I'd ask for a second opinion, keep up the great videos!
Really great quality review.
A very good review. I only missed the software side as I read somewhere that a separate Vive software is required to run the Vive pro 2, which is something I don't really like.
That mustache on the Vive looks very "Achtung! Achtung!" :D The review was erste classe.
the thin cushion you used to increase your fov says its for the quest. It fits perfectly for the pro 2? have a pro 2 on pre-order and I want the fov. You have the best review so far! Keep it up!
Yes it fits.
Wait, Im confused. Thrillseeker Said that the Vive pro 2 runned very hot. But it didn’t do that for you?
I bought my first VR Vive pro last year. Returned it course of horrible screen door effect. This one looks like something i want to try again.
Great break down. I'm really looking forward to thoughts on wireless. I'm using wireless with my cosmos elite. For me, no other vr solution compares. I've heard of the issues right now with wireless and pro 2. Hope it gets resolved.
Check out my latest video, I made a livestream using the wireless module!
Thanks! Great review and answered my question on if the LCD has the contrast to compete with the Vive Pro, which is still my favorite. Looks, like I have my replacement for the lighthouse ecosystem. I am just not sure if it is worth $250 more than the Index.
really didn’t expect another base station VR headset release. Guess I shouldn’t have sold my base stations. Goes to show that nobody really knows what’s going on in the market until it happens.
I have the G2, but I already invested in base stations and Index controllers to improve the experience. So I just placed an order for a Vive Pro 2 yesterday, because I am sick of technical issues with WMR and I want to be rid of it. Sometimes my headset only gives me 3DOF tracking and it makes me motion sick, and I have no idea what the issue is, it takes multiple tries restarting and rebooting everything to fix and sometimes takes me 30+ minutes before it works properly again. I can probably get about $500 back selling my G2 with all the accessories I have for it, so the upgrade doesn't actually cost me that much. And now knowing that the performance will be better too (I expected it to be worse and my 2080 Super already struggles with some games like No Man's Sky and VRChat on the G2) I'm happy about my decision. Shame about the microphone though. I've already placed an order for some of those pop filters, but even with that, there is still some popping in your test and the mic just doesn't sound very good. But it's good enough and still better than Rift S and Quest mics that so many people are using. But it will be a downgrade from the G2 and I really liked the floating headphones too. It's like magic feeling like I'm not wearing anything on my ears and yet the sound is all around me. But I'll probably get used to it.
I received the VP2. It's a *big* downgrade over the G2 in terms of image, the image just doesn't seem sharp at all, text in SteamVR (like when looking at my desktop) is noticeably blurry with soft fuzzy edges, and makes me want to squint to read it more easily, which should not be the case when looking at a 1080p image, the VP2's resolution is so far above 1080p. That is really a huge shame, because the Vive Pro 2 is *so* much more comfortable than the G2, I didn't realize how uncomfortable the G2 was because I didn't have anything to compare it with until now.
I am using my old glasses though. I have prescription lenses on the G2 which I had to get because the G2 did not fit well over my glasses and they were pushed against my head. But I need to design and 3D print a new mount to fit them on the VP2.
My old glasses are too weak (by about 1.0, my glasses are -3.25 but my actual eyesight is -4.5), it does not bother me in normal use, so I did not think that it would be making the image blurry, since I am only trying to look at objects that are relatively up close, it shouldn't make such a night and day difference. But maybe, some of my qualms about the sharpness of the screens can be solved with the right strength glasses or prescription lenses. For sure it will still be less sharp than the G2, but right now, edges look very blurry even on lower resolution content like looking at text on my desktop, I feel it should not be this bad, it makes it hard to read, and feels more like 1.5K screens than 2.5K.
I don't want to go back to Windows Mixed Reality with its software issues and jank, or the front heavy G2 that always feels like it's pressing on my head no matter how I adjust it. The VP2 just kind of sits there, perfectly balanced without feeling like it squeezes on any part of my head, it feels like it might even fall off if I move my head quickly, but still feels like it's well aligned and positioned without needing to tighten it, the G2 needs to be tight until it squeezes my face or the headset will slip down on my face and I can't get a good alignment.
I wish there was another Native SteamVR headset that could compete with or exceed the G2 in specs and actual picture and audio quality. But there doesn't seem to be anything. Maybe the Varjo Aero, but I don't have €2000. So I'm not sure what to do, I really want to be rid of WMR but the VP2 is such a big downgrade in the graphics area. At least the increased FOV is quite nice, it feels like the horizontal FOV is pretty close to the useful FOV of my eyes, I can just about move my eye to look centered at the edge of the screen, beyond that it would quickly start getting blurry if I had more peripheral just due to not being able to focus my eyes directly on it, not that peripheral vision isn't useful, but actually it feels like it's covering most of my horizontal FOV now.
The other downgrades, like the audio, are things I can get used to. Even the glare, I think I could get used to, as it's mostly visible around the edges, and I am used to keeping my eyes in the center anyway where the image is the most clear. The glare used to bother me when I first got the G2 but now I hardly ever notice it at all. I notice it much more on the VP2 but still will probably get used to it eventually.
The headphones touching my ears doesn't bother me, because they barely touch them and they feel like super soft pillows. But one thing I didn't realize, is that they muffle my voice when I talk. Which is distracting when playing something like VRChat, where I'm talking a lot. You have the same issue with regular headphones too of course, but I thought it might not happen here because they only touch your ears, they don't go over/around them or squeeze them like normal headphones. But I got used to that with headphones so might get used to it here too. I am considering a USB-C adapter (I assume an ordinary USB sound card would also work, and I have one of those I could test if I buy a USB-C to male USB adapter) to use my own headphones, if I need something touching my ears anyway, I have way better headphones than this that don't squeeze on my head and the VP2 strap goes well clear of my ears so there is plenty of space even to wear big headphones, they designed it well.
Decided to go pimax 8kx! Can't wait to compare it to the g2, i feel like G2 to vive pro 2 wouldn't have been much of a leap
I've had the Vive pro 2 since yesterday, The G2 and 8kx.. If money was no object if have kept the 8kx so you won't go wrong there. I thing the Vive pro 2 is best overall considering price to performance though. Happy gaming.
@@sonsolar Thanks appreciate your input! Yea super expensive but hopefully its the most immersive! :D
@@sonsolar How did you find the black levels compared to the G2? Is it that much of a noticeable difference? I'm leaning more towards the G2 but black levels was one of the main factors that will sway my decision. I imagine the glare of the vp2 kind of ruins the black levels in some cases though, like it did with the Index.
Also weight - vp2 is extremely heavy so, is it noticeably less comfortable? I found the index way too heavy, which is similar weight to the vp2.
So why haven't aspheric lenses been used recently? Lower fov? Cost?
Lots of reasons. They are heavier and also prone to distortions..
Thank you for this amazing review 👌 keep it up Sebastian.
You are welcome!
Is it posible to detatch the headphones and mic, in order to just use your regular headset?
Great video, keep it Up 😊
Mic will stay but headphones can be detached.
@@mixedrealityTV What a funny solution. Wondering if i could just use my own headset and mic and them configure it to use my mic instead of the bad one on the headset.
Non the less, thanks for answering back! Happy days from Denmark!
But It is a upgrade from the first HTC Vive?
Getting Vive Pro 2. Newegg has the same preorder discount plus it had an extra $20 off earlier, so I'm getting it for 720. Plus the index controllers for 280. Unfortunately, it looks like I have to get the HTC Base Stations for 400 combined. So I'm still getting it for the combined $1400. Sure would've been nice to be able to buy the Index Base Stations if they were in stock to get the whole kit for $1300 instead.
i can sell 2 base stations 1.0 for 260€+ shipping
Quick question - the VR Cover you linked in the description leads to a Quest 2 cover - is it the correct one? Just to make sure since there's nothing on the page that says it fits for the Vive Pro 2.
Thanks for a really good review either way!
Ever figure this out?
Only one thing left and most important thing. How does it perform in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 vs HP Reverb G2?
To fix the glare, turn the brightness down
Interested in your wireless tests! Be thanks for the review!
I remember it took quite a while to get used to the widescreen monitors.
You got used to the TVs because the widescreen ones were bigger. You can't do that with this.
12:40 as an audiophile myself, listening to these clips on a $30 000 audio system, it sounds way more balanced and refined on the Pro 2. But hard to capture headphone audio properly, so who knows. I haven't bothered to test them on my Pro 2, as I use a fairly high-end surround system on my gaming rig, and I only play sitting down.
Except the occasional glare, I'm pretty happy with my Pro 2. The sweet spot is way bigger than on my previous Pro (1) and the OG Vive, for sure. Still some screen door effect, but it's almost good enough for desktop use.
Hello little brother! You have convinced me to buy this headset with receptors and controllers! I love your channel and i love you in the spirit of the Lord! God bless you and Jesus loves you!
I found the Vive Pro having the worst God Rays , and the index 30 percent less ..The index Sweet Spot is my biggest problem ...I'd most likely would tolerate Vive Pro 2 glare , But not Crackling Sound and Occasional Grey outs ...I'm Glad Things have been Cleared up, and the people Who Pre ordered feel Refreshed
Maybe its just me, but to me the Pro 2's audio sounded better? I mean it definitely has room for improvement as its too tinny & needs a bit more bass, but to me the Index's bass was WAY too strong and drowned out the rest of the song, I'm not sure how an audiophile would prefer overpowering bass over non-overpowering bass. But maybe it can be adjusted somewhere to be less-bassy.
Although maybe that's just me, I do find my choice of headphones is very limited because I find most everything too bassy, even the razer blackshark v2 x which was highly praised for its audio quality, with lots of reviews I watched & read saying it was "Very well balanced", only for me to try it with music & games & finding its bass not as overpowering as some headphones I've used, but still greatly exaggerating the bass. This was with the proper software too, and even after trying to adjust it & trying its different modes, I couldn't make it sound comfortable, like my current Hyper X Stinger headphones which to my ears have a good audio balance. (not cloud stinger)
Maybe one day I'll get to try both vr sets in person to tell what I like more :P
Had the valve index, upgraded to the reverb G2 and Visuals are excellent which is most important to me (besides tracking). I have the light houses and knuckles controllers still. I feel motion sickness more with the reverb G2 probably because of the 90hz and tracking. Is it worth upgraded to the Vive pro 2 from here I wonder???
Yeah, but you won't get a better picture than G2. But if you want lighthouse, yes!
There's another answer to those controllers that I would have liked to see. Keep the same form factor but add new features!. Think how the Dual Shock changed over the years!
great review, thank you.
Thank you l found my answers! (I already did buy pro 2 lol before watching this video lm just getting myself hyped up for it xD)
I ended up getting Index controllers + lighthouses w/ this headset. We'll see if the few issues bother me enough to return it and just get an Index instead. Kind of annoyed at how expensive the wireless upgrade is. Gonna be doing wired for now, but mostly only planning to play Elite: Dangerous and other sims for now so wired isn't too big an issue.
It looks like there are 2 microphones on the Vive Pro 2, but you only put a pop filter on the bottom one. Would putting a pop filter on both of them perhaps help reduce the issue even more than just putting one on the bottom one, since popping was still quite apparent with just one filter?
I'll be putting one on both of them, in any case. It can't hurt.
Hey Sebastian, do you think 7invensun will ever release the F2 modules at all? They only released the P1 for the Pimax headsets (and I learned that they DO work well, if plugged into the motherboard USB3). There's nothing for the F1 that doesn't have any way to buy for the original Vive Pro or the Cosmos Elite.
Another great review! I was pretty impressed until I heard the microphone at 14:00. After hearing that it’s a hard pass for me! I’ll stick with my G2.
It’s so poppy lol
or spend $1
mine is on a truck now, will arrive latter today!
Damn good review 👍.
Stellar review Seb nice one!
Thanks!
hi handsome. question- could you send a link to the music. i enjoyed it-iwant to gear a clean version. question- what manufacturer do you think will introduce a better product than HTC? thanks for your time and review.
I used to use a rift! (Oculus link) the oculus broke on me with a recent update! Do you still recommend this upgrade? Also where do you get the pop filter
Regarding the sweetspot - from my personal experience with both the Valve Index and the HP Reverb G2 I can tell that the sweetspot and the edge-to-edge clrarity was noticeably better in the Valve Index for me - what does this mean? - It means take this info in the reviews very careful - you MAY NOT assume that one has better sweetspot than the other - it depends greatly on your shape of head, etc. From what I have overall heard though - I believe the Oculus headsets might really have the tendency to have better sweetspots than these high-end headsets (I can't confirm this as I only had the oculus rift, which had a way too low resolution to be able to judge the sweetspot well in my opinion)
Great cut and presentation!
Hi ,Have You Ever Experimented With Anti Glare Sheets, They Use LCD Monitors , And Apply a Round Cut Out For Lens Caps ?
Could you let me know what thinner face pad you purchased or recommend? Thanks for the review!
It's in the description.
@@mixedrealityTV whoops! See it now. Thanks! So you just remove HTC one and replace it? Easy as that?
I got one because it is heavily discounted now, it can be had for 529 euros where I am but, after testing it with lighthouse and Index controllers VS a friends Index kit, I decided to send it back and just get the Index. Yes picture quality is better, tracking is the same (ish, I did get some tracking inconsistencies) and for my face it is slightly more comfortable but almost everything else is worse:
-glare is worse, with distinct Fresnel rings visible;
-smaller sweet spot and worse edge to edge clarity;
-because of the small focused area, the image overall has a blurry vibe to it;
-speakers are worse, less dynamic range as far as I can tell;
-gets noticeably hotter and I didn't even try to disable the Variable Automatic Lighting, which is supposed to make it even hotter, if that is still a valid option with the current drivers/software;
-the software is still buggy. I just played two games, HL Alyx and Beat Saber for 4-5 hours in total and I got a decent amount of errors, from the games POV just breaking, and me getting in a random position unable to move, to the VIVE console reporting all sorts of errors that required restarts;
Needless to say that in the same scenarios, the Index behaved flawlessly.
I know they are both old products by now but maybe this is helpful for somebody.
Thanks for the review, I will stay with my Pimax 8KX
Excellent thorough review! I would also like you to add one more ending buying case - coming from if you don't have any headset at all and want to get a high end PCVR one, which is now the best high end one to get from scratch? Is it Reverb G2, or this one? I am concerned about the lens on vivepro 2 as VoodooDeVR really hated them.