The Sad Truth About WoW Today
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2023
- WoW desperately needs a Reset. This is a wake-up call to Blizzard
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Why don't you go with Black Whisper, no problems there with the PTW...
VanCleef’s story in vanilla WoW was actually super cool. He was basically fighting for the owed wages the stonemasons never received during the construction of Stormwind. A true man of the people.
Ironic characters people can related to, even he didn’t get paid he still finish the job. Vancleef is the real man.
And then they retconned it into being that while the council refused to pay him, the king offered to, but he refused out of pride and was simply a bad guy.
Oh yes, because employers are not people...
Yeah a true hero that raided innocent people's farms, murdered bunch of civilians in Elwyn, Duskwood, and Westfall.. But is all justified because Stormwind did not want to pay him. I mean, if my boss doesn't want to pay me, i'll totaly go raid my neigbor's house, and people will call me a hero !
@@midgetydeath Nice, I didn’t know that. I was referencing from reading the quests while playing through Classic and apparently forgot some important details.
the fact that when he logged in after 10mins he wasn't swarmed just circling a town speaks volumes to me.
because the game is almost completely instanced
@@laoch5658 and dead
But it’s not 😂
@@Gamefailtelevision It isn't dead, lol. Stop exaggerating.
Its rapidly approaching dead status though... remember, if people believe your game is dead.. they wont want to start as new players... no new players, eventually attrition will end it
WoW was a social network before we really had much social networks. The reason we can't have that emotional experience anymore isn't just because the game lost its touch (which is definitely has), but the sole reason it was such a phenomenon was because it was a virtual social hub with a side of fantasy rpg. WoW was just in the right place at the right time. I will miss those days
so true
its impossible to go back peoples minds are on owning things now
Completely agree, I still play it, probably will on and off forever
Will switch to private realms eventually if they don’t remove the sub or reduce it, not worth the money anymore especially when xpacs are so much
Not true because I no lifed classic after 20 years yet again as a 38 year old dad I had the same fun, enjoyment and made a hundred friends again, as I did when I was 20.
It's just that the classic game is more simple, straightforward, fun and engaging than the bloated mess called retail.
Never thought about it this way but you're so right!
Hell yea brother, the peak of Warcraft lore was when Cairne met Thrall in Warcraft 3 and they decided they were gonna be bosses of their own gym and they were gonna beat the shit out of everyone that didn't get their gym membership.
@@MelbourneArchviz this is more like a confession of a sin
I think the issue now with mmo are the instant day 1 class guides and how to be "perfect". It disassociates you from your character and becomes just a list for you to follow. Also you dont take time to grow and learn with your character anymore.
Those guides would never go away cause of content creation for $1/1k views or possible sponsors, or for just plain fun, and people can't help themselves out of curiosity to check them out. There's just so much games and stuff vying for your time, you feel the need to optimize especially on games w/out stat respec.
Also, no one would know you're looking into "guides" anyways.
I don't think that even matters all that much anymore with the way WoW drops you in. I've been leveling for the first time in forever, not using guides or anything but the way they just drop you in as the CHAMPION OF THE HORDE or whatever kills any sense of progression anyway. Like I finish my starter zone as a silly lil adventurer killing rats and then I'm instantly a demigod on a first name basis with the Warchief and I have to save the world from Thanos as a level 12 warrior.
@@jingbadatti9956 as you said, complexity doesn’t equal quality. Its hard to keep to keep the same level of interest when EVERYTHING you do has to be some grand scale. It’s understandable for expansions overall themes and shit yet everything to small talk nowadays in games has gotta be some “end of the world conversation” yet never actually feels like it.
well, even if u max out ur character with bis talents glyphs, proffesions consumables etc... you still need to know what buttons to press and when to press them in the correct order depending on situation... u can have the best gear and still do no dmg and troll the entire raid
i SO agree and i am saying this for years..knowing everything takes the magic away... i mean...Diablo 4 is coming out these days and my youtube wall is spammed with guides and "BEST LOLOLOL" for weeks! It´s disgusting
The Classic Era is more fun for me and my friends. You just feel like a real adventurer. You slowly work your way up, step by step, and you also prepare for adventures (buying firewood, potions and other things). I just feel more like a regular adventurer doing normal murder hobo stuff!
Yeah, I’m a new player and I felt no progress or achivement in retail. Leveling up is ridicously easy and you’re given so much free. I personally like the classic era more, it feels more like an adventure as you said.
“Murder hobo stuff” great description
yeah, cause you arent buying all the stuff in retail... trololol.
You guys are just living in the past.
Naa youre just okay with wow becoming a totally different game.
What I enjoy from vanilla wow is the journey it took me to level my character up and getting to know all these areas, that was the most fun for me. I play retail until the story is done and then I basically quit. I wish they added more world content and by this I do not mean worldwuests but just more areas, more exploration. Getting a random green from opening a chest or killing a rare man, that was so good. Currently in wow you just get bombarded with blue and purple items for just talking to npcs, it is boring leveling is so fucking easy.
Well part of the problem is that some players are paying for boost or coming into the expansion with crappy gear while others have full mythic set from the previous raid. Hard to balance an experience when that's the case.
The experience you have playing the game expresses to me, that you are one person playing the game, a loner. MMO's are based on the players who want to experience the game with others, who may share the same interests. Let me tell you something, you can not make everyone happy, long enough, in the game. My fun in the game is experiencing the game with others who share the same goals as I do. I know I can play alongside these individuals; because they are great people to be around with. As a leader of a guild, you have to decide what to do with the time that is given to you to do, for them. Finding good players is easy. Getting them to communicate, coordinate, collaborate & work together as a team through some team speaking app, is the challenge. No matter what happens, what pain we face, and in death, the Wheel keeps turning. Always.
Sad will be the day when every man is absolutely content with the life that he is living, with the thoughts that he is thinking, with the deeds that he is doing. When there is not forever beating at the doors of his soul some great desire to do something larger, which that he was meant and made to do.
@@Darthmerl77 wtf man I joined a guild and talked to people while leveling I simply enjoy the exploration more than the raids.
You know you see Asmon flying around in Stormwind constantly, he's venting.
@@itsyaboiherman yes
Classic is nice because you start as a nobody and as you level you truly feel like your character is developing. The fact that you’re a random citizen of your capitol city who is now forced to get stronger by fighting wolves, raptors, panthers, etc. Every piece of gear makes you truly feel like you’re growing in power. And eventually you get strong enough to take on monsters, elemental lords, dragons, and more. It’s true rpg.
Retail starts you as a god. Being able to pull 20 mobs and wreck them easily. You get everything handed to you. There’s no reason for community. BOA gear makes obtained gear feel like nothing. You get a free mount right off the bat. No true rpg elements imo.
So you don't play retail then because BoA gear is iLvl 398 (and that's only since 10.0.5 the catch up patch) meanwhile high-end M+ / Mythic raid gear is iLvl 418.
They literally start calling you hero and champion at level 10 once you finish the tutorial and talk to Anduin lol
Try mortal online 2 if you want that oldschool mmorpg feeling back.
@@majkatrojedjece6585 Classic HC already got me in its sights
My characters in retail have been killing gods since classic so its not that far off theyd treat my characters as heros of the world...
IMO, the current state of WoW is exactly what happens when a developer tries to please everyone instead of sticking to what made them great in the first place. This video made me grateful for all the years growing up of playing Vanilla-Cataclysm.
Not really. Blizzard dialed back ALOT this expansion on the mechanics. The game is alot simplier in terms of what you need to do once you cap. At the same time, you have the the fact that MMORPG simply isn´t that overly popular that it was 15 years ago. Back during 2004-2010 WoW was a massive phenomenon because there weren´t any real alternatives and the genre was super popular.
Now-a-days you have the league of legends, fortnites etc that draw alot of players.
I do believe, that If blizzard keeps making the game simpler moving foward it might be enough to draw more people, however I agree that right now the game seems hollow.
@@dante93nero mmorpg are still popular, more popular than some think, thing is wow didnt aged well at all, plus blizzards fuck ups didnt helped. The context around wow isnt just the same as it was during 2000's and up. The same reason as to why a lot of things that give us nostalgia and were the best of our times around those times, wouldnt work anymore nowadays.
And wow didnt adapted correctly to nowadays standards and what people look for or enjoy. It lacks modernity in less words. Bdo for example (Though it isnt for anyones taste) has done this absolutely perfectly over the years, even more now with that new expansion they released which pretty much fixed everything that bdo had on its bad side and adapted correctly to nowadays market.
Wow sadly didnt aged well at all...
Vanilla burning crusade here on Mannoroth horde rogue
mmos arent popualr?
wow has 128 million active accounts rn. almost 2 million daily players too...
and i guess ff14's 21.5+ million current and active players dont exist either...
i want whatever youre smoking pal cause DAMN its some good shit.
I kind of think retail wow should remain fast paced and fairly complicated, just so that it can contrast the classic versions that are also available. I mean, if it all was the same there would be less options for people.
I think retail is pretty good, albeit maybe the whole gearing system with sparks, crests, elemental overflow, flighstones, storm sigils, etc. could be simplified.
8:14 "there's some pirates over there, why don't you kill em.. why you gotta kill em? well wtf are they doing over there" This guy is a fckn legend XD
They diverted resources, tried to make people play in a certain way. Then they screwed PvP, gave raids goofy mechanics, turned all dungeons into speed runs. Basically said FU to a large portion of their player base who want to play for fun.
I always say Vanilla, at it's core, was a sandbox pvp game.
Imagine a version of WoW that has the adventure/leveling, community and RPG feel of Classic, and the endgame of Retail.
I’ve been thinking this way since they announced the comeback of classic. Vanilla with todays graphics and some good features would be the best mmo
@@networknomad5600 no, like a beautiful game like Dragonflight. Wotlk is ugly lol.
@@networknomad5600 No, Wotlk feels much more like retail than Vanilla. Already in Wrath they nerfed leveling hard, just making it a chore, and the dungeons are snoozefest, normal raids being easy etc. etc. It's just a worse version of retail.
retail endgame is like looking at a piece of white paper without any text, its boring, predictable, gated and yeah BORING
@@Kern361 In retail it feels like an unnecessary chore and a time waste; not sure why they even have it. In Vanila it's part of the game; also it's a reason Vanilla has HC and retail does not.
His idea about changing the dungeon quest xp is really good. Could also add a daily quest to queue up for dungeons like in FFXIV that matches you with a group that has one member that's doing it for the quest.
I think dont change anything, but just have it so doing a dungeon gets you saved for 3 days like ZG.
That's something I love about FFXIV. Rewards veteran players for playing with newer players in old content.
The only downside I can see is less people will play dungeon so it can be harder to find group for a new people. But it needs to be tested to be sure.
@@Noobie2k7 "I mean doesn't WoW already have daily rewards for queueing random dungeons?" No. It doesn't.
Lol
I really think classic WoW also does one big thing for its community. It localizes it. You build relationships with people on the server because they're all you have; you don't pick people from a list from other servers and go do something.
Sure, you might get a 'friend' out of that, but its rare to build a friendship because you only interact with them on an activity to activity basis.
Doesn't matter if you're getting reported and banned for being social in a social game.
When you have 20k people on your server, does it matter that you can't meet people from other servers? I played TBC classic on a relatively small server and still I rarely saw the same person twice. I interacted mainly with my guild, just like in retail. So "community" and "relationship building" in classic wow are just words.
idk what you're talking about bro. I literally see the exact same people in Valdrakken on my server all the time.
thats so wrong...
I never talked to anyone in the game.
My main experience with wow was on a private server, when I came to retail from that, I honestly got disappointed. Even though the scripting of the bosses and everything was much better and everything worked properly. It didn't give me that feeling that my actions were recognized or even mattered on the server. On that private server I was playing on, you could make a name for yourself, especially when it came to pvp. And Alliance and Horde were beefing 24/7 always fighting each other over turfs or invading the main cities. You could literally organize raids by yourself with random people without being in a guild, and you could also organize pvp parties with no problems. Not to mention that there were always discussions on the forums about who's the best hunter or warlock or tank on the server etc. When I came to retail everything kind of felt lifeless. Instead of talking with people before partying up, you had dungeon finders and stuff that would automatically pair you up, no talking needed, it's just weird man.
You're basically saying you don't like a game because too many people are playing it. It's a really toxic, self defeating mentality that cuts any game off at the knees.
@@ZachStachelski13 I mean games were super popular before too and you could still have an identity inside them back then. It's just that it went from a community controlled environment into a thing controlled by a massive system. Instead of being a valued member in your community, you're now just a cog inside a huge machine, same thing is happening in real life as well. Smaller segmented portions of people can govern themselves way easier than a big one can govern all the people at once.
@@ZachStachelski13 Nah,he's right.People on private servers even with 12k pop are somewhat close and the guilds are helping each other.It's pretty much easy to be known if you're any good.People actually stream private servers and the server pop is usually watching.People on private servers have to actually communicate with each other.
I just came back to retail from years of wotlk and i'm disappointed to find an empty world on a full server.
Tbh I love WoW for the leveling experience, like running around different locations, listening to all different ambiences, it's wonderful. And I feel like they simply overcomplicate that as well. What I'd like is the simple experience of that mighty adventure, learning about lore, doing dangeons throughout all expansions, I want to explore Azeroth and Outland.
exactly. made a rogue troll. had the best time of my life just exploring kalimdoor (i think thats what its called idk honestly lol)
i f!%king 100% every single area. collected every quest mount pet ect.
wow is AMAZING in the low levels. the art, music, quests. thays all you need.
nope. gotta squeeze that cash just cannot be satisfied with being multi millionaires.
meters on top of currencies on top of skill trees that u lock more meters trees and currencies.
once i hit that godawful green alien ship goop dark elf with giant glaives expansion whatever the f!%k its called and i was ASSUALTED with several meters and currencies and timed quests i was like nah bro im good.
havent been back
will never be back
waste of time
Seeing WoW and hearing the music again after not playing since Legion makes me emotional. Its like hearing the SWG music.
I'll never forget Staff of Jordan dropping from a Bloodsail Raider in Stranglethorn vale on my priest. I understood then how Gollum felt.
True story. I started a brand new character in retail, with the aim of playing without heirlooms. Just as a new player would. Troll hunter. Got to level 10 very quickly and entered my first dungeon. This was hilariously bad. Even as a hunter I couldn't get a shot off without everything being dead. I was looting and running to catch up but they were one shotting everything.
Imagine someone new to WoW encountering this in a dungeon.
a truly new player would just run around in the world, kill mobs and do quests, before even finding the dungeon finder icon...
@nimmha6708 A new player gets tutorial pop ups showing you exactly where it is on the UI..
You described it perfectly… way too fast and way too over designed. And the leveling aspect is way too easy and fast. You can still die in 1.5 seconds in pvp. And there’s just way too many abilities for most classes now. Sometimes less is more and that’s exactly why people are still playing classic.
All my friends including myself think that today's WoW is just a clown fiesta, Getting closer to those korean games.
@deez3063 so you cant handle the speed of the game? sounds like a personal skill issue lol
I can't even tell you how OG of a massive Blizzard fan I was... the Blizzard I knew died many many years ago when Activision got involved
When was this golden age taking place then?
Vanilla - wrath
Activision has been involved with Blizzard a lot longer than people think.
Best word for it, bloated, it's super overwhelming.
I’m a new player, so I can’t connect to what it used to be. 39 yrs old, 2 kids etc etc. I love the content, Raid, AOTC, KSM, pushing keys, all the shit, it’s awesome. And I love there’s 20 years of old shit I can go and do on the side with people I’ve met that have played from the start.
I agree with asmon on dungeon xp. My opinion is that you should grind dungeons for the loot and only for loot. Giving 3x more xp from dung quest is also good idea since they are so scattered and you actually have to collect them and for the most do a questline for them.
12:47
15:00 Exactly this. I hope to God they do this. They need to spice things up for all the people spamming multiple hardcore chars learning and mapping all the safe and best paths. It takes the thrill out of it. Ignite the MMO and change the mob pathing - add a few random elite rares around the world and buff the mobs like Asmon said so the people expecting it to be the same classic to be reintroduced to the true classic hardcore. They could make it feel like a whole new world which is the most important aspect for an MMO. It could ignite a whole new genre of WoW if they do it right. Don't just copy off the players add and build off it - billion dollar franchise after all.
Make the dungeons so hard (with rewards ofc) that people don't dare to go into it again to spam it. Maybe there gear gets damaged in the process of a full dungeon etc.
To me my biggest problem is how sweaty most people feel in retail. Even heroic dungeons, people will rage over the smallest mistake and insta kick players, and at this point I dont think that's changing.
The game presents itself as a welcoming and accessible game but the reality is that it is sweatier, more complex and more tryhard focused than it ever has been. Playing WoW as a casual sucks now.
@@Kings_Crossing Well that's the community's fault tbh
It's a sign. Quit the game😂 best thing i ever did.. trust me bro
if you make a mistake in heroic dungeons you shouldn't play this game facts
True! Heroics is just too easy. If u fuck up a mechanic there, wow is not for you
Dragonflight felts like a sport, while Classic -> MoP was very chill to play
@@jeremyknight1927 yes of corse i hadnt 1000 affixes and no reason for min max
i read the books about the 2nd war and beyond the dark portal and i agree, the lore vibe was totally different, Anduin lothar was a hard hitting muscle hairy man, dannat trollbane was a badass too, kurdran, grommash, orgrim, edwin vancleef, everyone of them were warriors outside the beauty standars, i mean, see how even khadgar is handsome in retail and in the book he was an old looking 17 years old dude LOL
Body type 1, 2 thats what it is.
I played classic first in 2019, never played retail before. I loved it so much by the end I was a sweaty raider in a guild that speedrun nax in like 90min. Tried retail and it felt souless like it was a cheap knockoff or something
If official HC comes out, I'd like to see the mob targeting system come over. AH limited but not removed (maybe trade skills items only?). Remove the dungeon rules, liked the idea shared in this video about it.
Auction house was such a good part of classic WoW . Checking your mailbox was exciting . You loved to see the icon . You also loved to get random drops . It was so much fun .
Holy shit I fucking lost it at the part about Thrall building a gym called The Horde. 😂
I never played WoW as a child or in my schooldays, but i recently started playing WoW classic/retail and i feel like everything in retail is pointless, all the crafting mechanics and and every addon besides the latest ones is utterly useless, retail makes me feel like im actually working an boring job lol. So i played classic vanilla WoW and it was an absolute blast, it was hard and extremely fun because every crafted gear every step you do makes an difference, even the elite mob goblin can clap you and the first dungeon felt like an adventure and not like an boring hack n' slash.
i dont like classic cause leveling takes to much time and dg and raids have to few mechanics, you can stand idle on 75% of fight and press 3 buttons to kill the boss, as a retail mythic raider, classic is too slow for me, maybe when i become 50 i might try classic.
It is very subjective. Majority of the people prefer Classic because they played it as kids, and I understand that. I personally like Retail. I like farming gear and doing M+ and raids. There is a competitive aspect. Some people like that, some like to just adventure.
@@samuel9294 Raiding in general sucks. Who wants to keep wiping because one idiot doesn't know how to do the mechanics in a group of 40. Raiding was never the focus of classic WoW and it shows. Most players never even stepped foot into Molten Core.
@@ZachStachelski13 Raiding is what keeps retail and classic alive, withou raid and dgs people would die out of boredom playing, most players didnt even step on molten core becausa they are casuals who have trouble even getting to 60, in the past that was the case, now that people know what to do in classic it became way easier to do everything.
"Raiding sucks in general sucks" is a very very niche opinion and it far from what the general public thinks.
Dragonflight might as well have been written by Disney with how safe it is, massive tonal shift from what Warcraft is supposed to be.
I think that was the point, after Shadowlands and the back last that got I think they wanted something simple for Dragonflight to make it like a fresh start again. And it seems to have worked as the expansion as been really well received from what I’ve seen.
Why do people pretend WoW was this dark gritty story the entire time? It wasn't, it certainly wasn't ever since WoW launched in 2004. DF story telling is pretty well done, especially compared to the previous few installments.
@@Halikarz31 Bro, the Undead were capturing humans in Tirisfal and infecting them with plague. Just stop with this 'we were always good guys" shit. Stormwind asks you to take out Van Cleef, a guy who wanted payment for the work he and his men did. It was always tonally grey. The tone shifted around 2009/10 with WOTLK.
@@Halikarz31 huh? Have you ever paid attention to the quest texts? Do you read the quests? Most of them are pretty dark, and youre frequently cutting heads off mobs to bring back to someone. No one is saying its a super dark story, like diablo or something, but to pretend like the tone is not completely different in modern wow is just ignorant.
@@Halikarz31 It wasn't dark and gritty (a tiny bit but not much). But it wasn't overtly queer either.
I've had more fun leveling in Everquest and SWTOR than I ever had in WoW. This doesn't mean WoW leveling is bad. It just means that people have various opinions from a lifetime of different experiences. It's not healthy to dwell on what's lost or what could have been just enjoy what you can when you can and move on from things that don't make you happy.
Rest in peace wow.
WoW has between 900k and 1.65 million daily logins. How is WoW even remotely dead?
2004-2023 Here lies Activision-Blizzard, ran by a Clown CEO whose shoes and jacket are far too big for him.
I think the new story with wrathion is pretty good. I really like him as a character. He’s not perfect, but his heart is in the right place
I totally disagreed! That's the pussy shit he's talking about. If Wrathion wants to be the leader, he has to take the throne and say he's in charge! If someelse disagree, then challenge him in a Duel! The survivor is the BOSS! Is that what we have in the game?? No! We have people talking, talking, talking, trying to be nice and more talking, and more feelings, and more talking...
What do we have to do to get Classic WoW remake (same exact game with maybe more collectibles like mounts and pets) in Unreal Engine 5.
Rolling a new character and leveling to ~30/40 in classic is where I have my most fun in wow lately
Been playing Turtle WoW, not sure how long I will play, but so far it is a solid experience. The starter areas are flooded like its 2003!
I've been playing turtle off and on for about a year now. The developers seem to really care and they do listen to the community as well.
It has become slightly more toxic recently with the influx of players but it feels great to quest and level.
@@Only1Tobius It's not toxic compared to the other PS i've played upon. Although warmode & HC does encourage assholes to play there.
I like asmons idea for dungeons on hardcore i also think you could just do every dungeon pre 50 you get 5ish resets for the day
Classic WoW really felt like an adventure it also forced you to interact with other people, both Horde and Alliance in a way that really emphasized the MMO part of MMORPG. You spent most of the time walking until you got a regular mount at 40, but even then it forced you to actually interact with the world rather than just flying over it. Quests were difficult, leveling was SLOW, STV was a nightmare of ganking plus the size meant that especially at lower levels you often died making it feel exciting. Later WoW felt like an RPG that happened to have an online component. They speed leveled you through so all previous content and zones became obsolete, they added a ridiculous amount of races, mounts, armor, etc. etc. Before it felt exciting and like an adventure last time I played it felt goofy and lonely.
yeah its just an arcade game now
Leveling overall in the older mmos was a journey itself.
I tried dragonflight recently after having left the game at the start of bfa. I revived my old DK that I hadn't played since cata. Man, it really is overwhelming, even for someone who used to play the game a lot. I can definitely see how some new players who just get the character boost are completely put off.
Also what sucks is now all new toons are now automatically level 10 and unable to visit starting zone in the vindicaar.
I do agree that it is too fast. imo, the switch to having all these quick button presses took away from a lot of the immersion. I find it okay for some classes, but it would be nice if some classes played a lot slower.
Yeah you can tell that blizzard hires people of twitter
Summed it up so well. My friends and I agree 100%, we wanted to love WoW, but its just not fun.
I totally don't mind a SoM 2 with the only change be adding dual specc or next to free respecs.
Its incredible how i can log in and how at peace i feel when I am in Stormwind. This game grabbed my brain by the nuts.
2:28 Asmon, I relate too much to what you say here. I've always been a WoW fan, probably since I was a kid, but never had the money or the courage to join the community. When Corona hit, I had nothing better to do than try WoW (I've played it before on various private servers, but didn't feel like it should) so I took a shot to try retail. My first impression was out of words, couldn't even grasp the huge world that I had yet to experience catching up with the previous years I was playing on private servers. I played for approximately 2 years until I got burnt out. I'm almost in my 30s with a white-collar job and a wife, I do game from time to time, but what you mentioned there about being fast-paced, complicated, and getting more and more difficult is what hit deep into my heart. It's been over a month since my sub expired and I decided not to continue, at least for now. My pleasure it's to enjoy every single bit of existing pixels, but I feel rushed up, forced by the masses to hit the end game and be part of the elite (which I never intended to nor tried). I will compare here two other games that I play on a regular basis, Modern Warfare 2 and Hell Let Loose. One it's a fast-paced, energy-draining shooter, and the other one it's a strategic WW2 simulator that requires tactics and patience. There you have it, retail vs classic. Maybe for some people, the new patches lack activities or content, but for me, they're way too fast dropped and by the time I get to enjoy some new mechanics, they're already obsolete and I'm 2 updates behind already. Make this game more enjoyable by taking away the dumb-down mechanism. (Yada-yada, go play classic, yada-yada) Really want to play Dragonflight with less complicated tricks, that's just it.
ain't readin allat
It took you far too long for you guys to admit it.
I'm leveling in wrath and enjoying the process much more and also the lore with the voice over add on is probably the best thing to happen to classic.
I never played vanilla back in the day, my first time playing was in WoD. Retail so convoluted if I make a new character I just spam dungeons and rush end game because that's what the game is designed for these days
courius, i play wow since 2006 and i hate leveling in general, i love the dun run for be hight level fast, plus if i want to do old content i can do it, for me classic is to grindy, u need to grind aloot of things for ur gear, and raids are not even hards, yes some says ulduar, icc is hard, but is hard because u have some mechanic + u need to farm specific gear with specific defenses stats for days even weeks before, i hate grindy even more than i hate leveling, then retail is more for me, and if hate grindy dont play hunter fuckings sitem fo love in pets how much bored it is
Having dungeons on a cooldown could work too. Once a day or every 3 days might balance this too.
I think in retail,they are messing us up too much with those time resets,seasonal fomo, weird rng and all kinds of stuff that often both push is into playing alts (but also punish us for it). Way overdeveloped indeed and Im not even sure Blizzard benefit from putting such effort into it.
Asmon is finally saying what so many of us have been feeling for years. I know he always shits on retail but this is a different tone.
Wow being girly is the truest one, that's what made me lose interest ngl, just lack of badassery in the game and it turning into a generic "co existence and anti racism" story.
No character is badass anymore
Idk about that, fyrakk is badass.
@@idkdontask7142 WoW being girly? lol
@@igorjurdana1311 It's actually somewhat true. All people do nowadays (the ones that aren't raiding hardcore) is farming transmog items, mounts and pets.
@@ANTERIORcs that's not inherently girly at all.
Hey, what is pdp?
Just played my last dungeon.
Tank rushing as fast as they can and couldnt keep up. Trailing mobs to attack the party. Almost dieing repeatedly because haler is left behind. I couldnt keep up to dps, just bits and pieces. It wasnt fun at all. We were all rushing the dungeon so we could rush to 70 and do whatever. Its not fun anymore.
I never played wow , but need to say, music is epic asf, especially when i hear the choir in a song i have goosebumps. Awesome work
Visuals and music has always been one of the strong points of wow.
Even Shadowlands, an expansion that lots of people hate with burning passion have to admit that it had some nice visuals and music etc..
As someone who started in cata, I don't have the nostalgia to buff up my view of classic wow. But it's still, in my opinion, the best rendition of the game that I've ever played
I really agree with and like your suggested approach for Dungeons for WoW Classic Official HC! perfect solution imo
The thing is, being able to do a dungeon over and over you'll be able to just farm blue sets and it destroys any great feeling of getting a blue piece
3:41 is pretty much the reason why I left WoW. Raids or M+ can be simple, not overly convoluted with mechanics but can still be fun just like on older expansions but instead we are bombarded with one-shot mechanics with purple circles on purple floors.
Honestly don't think I would bother with raiding or m+ if it wasn't challenging. That is what classic is for...
Dragonflight 40% off after this video, lmao
Hope to see you play Ethyrial tomorrow!
Alow the lvling to be as slow as classic imo for people that want it. Lvling is still fun because of the experience, it was nice wandering around (the newer features like not having to pay for a flying mount also help alot because you can just move on with the experience).
Reducing the amount of servers and allowing for cross-faction content for raiding might help.
Plus there´s the constant factor that will just get worse each expansion which is the increasingly bigger and bigger world. Right now, if you are a new player and you want to lvl you can lvl in kalimdor, eastern kingdoms, outland, draernor, pandaria, zandalar, shadowlands...there is like 5000 zones, for returning players it might be w/e, but for newer player it makes sense for the player to experience all of these expansions (if there was an actual sense of story progression..)
EDIT: I do also agree that in earlier expansions, doing low lvl dungeons for more than just experience but for gear felt alot more rewarding because you could feel the difference in the world with lvling becoming easier which is missing.
its so sad seeing wow like this its like seeing your highschool best friend doing bad years later
@@Popikaify DF is mid
Not bad but also not the second coming of Christ expansion as many chills like to call it
This shit is terrible lol. I literally dont see anybody doing anything other than standing in valdrakken. Sure youll see the occasional player doing dailys but outside of that their sitting in lfg in valdrakken doing nothing. All past content is 100% irrelevant as well as all lore that went with it. Wow is just a speedrun game now meant for instant gratification. They arent fixing core issues and players are leaving in droves from my own experience I played retail 2 weeks ago and got rival from grinding conquest points LOL in under 3 days. Go play a wotlk server and youll see players in each zone, dungeon groups lfm tons of raid groups, wpvp and actual guilds and short bg ques and intense arena matches. Retail Wow as it is dead and its current state is the corpse they keep dragging around for money. No matter how many times they try to do cpr its still dead lol. Wow classic came from popular demand because it has all the aspects of a good game. Retail? Is literally garbage they put money into hoping it wont look like garbage anymore.
Need a counter for "big hairy sweaty man"
I don't think raiding this tier has been that difficult or punishing. Most one shot mechanics are gone from the raid. Just needs time and the rewards arent that great I agree.
That's exactly what I thought when I started playing Dragonflight for the first time a few days ago. I quit in early Shadowlands for the same reasons. This was the longest time I had not played Wow at all. I logged into my character and first thing I saw was that my bags were full of shit and I have no idea anymore what any of this is or if I can throw it away. The new UI creeped me out and I still hate it. Leveling on the dragon isles was very fun but now at max level I'm very overwhelmed. So many currencies, factions and collectibles. I don't know where to start or how. I used to love collecting mounts (got the 400 achievement just before quitting) and seeing the hundreds of new mounts which I have no idea how to farm all stresses me out tbh. I always loved collecting in Wow but this is just too much. I also got a taste of how it must be like to be a new player. I leveled a character from 50-60 via dungeons with my sister and we got shit on all the time because we didn't make as much dps as the others (I didn't read a guide yet I just wanted to play) and didn't know everything. The tanks and healers also got shit on all the time if they made just 1 mistake and many people left the group after 1 wipe. I don't remember people being *this* hostile in the low level bracket. The bloated content combined with the rude playerbase it doesn't surprise me that new players don't stay for too long. I will still play a bit though until it gets too boring or too much.
Im only 25 and I hate how the tone is now rainbows and twinky lizards.
WoW used to be more about the shared experience, the community, and engaging with content for the sake of others as well as yourself.
Now, the game is just an anti-social mobile app with a store front, a shitty community, and an overwhelming focus on competitive gameplay. This promotes animosity, tears social cohesion apart, and makes the game ripe for toxic takeover. Its fucking sad, what WoW has become.
Mount name?
I have a lvl 60 boost that I'm sitting on because every time I use it to try a new class, I'm overwhelmed
Im "woke" but i agree. Theres beauty in simplicity and it gave wow the vibe it had. Night elves were basically eco terrorists. Orcs were manly war boys. Humans had human things... dwarves were political burly buildy miner boys. The races had their own agenda and philosophy clearly displayed in their design and place in warcraft. Its homogenous to a point of nausea now.
It's corporate woke. Like some of the stories are okish - I like the Dragons doing research together I guess, but it feels too safe and perfect and the art style too Disney. It's far passed its rock and roll/metal album cover roots that I loved. Diverse relationships can exist in that setting, fuck look at Pathfinders setting Golarion for inspiration. Now it just feels kinda lame : /
Agree with some of his points but also some of it sounds like a skill issue. My biggest problem is the whole dogsh*t Disney theme its going towards
as a person who was born literal months b4 world of warcraft came out grew up started in cata i can without a doubt say that the vanilla wow leveling experience and overall experience of old wow just feels so much more fufilling and enjoyable that any modern expansion has provided me since MoP
I ended my journey on the top of (old) Dalaran Tower. Such peaceful view at night
I feel you on how the aesthetic of the game has changed over time. Vulpera in BFA was the breaking point for me... Pandas in MOP were also terrible and still are terrible to this day but at least they had some legitimacy being from WC3 (probably should never have been playable)
Look at classic, it had ribcages with bits of gore, scarlet torturers, hanging corpses etc etc. Now we look at Dragonflight, it's basically a fucking Disney movie.
WoW is circling the drain, which is fantastic. They earned it.
i love dungeon grinding to compete on those meters
Shortcuts is what happened to WoW. Shortcuts to leveling, to making gold, to complete raids/dungeons, to finding groups, to traveling the world. I think thats the main problem. You must have to invest the time to achieve things was the heart and soul of WoW which was destroyed by shortcuts.
3:32 I totally want to see Asmon clear more FFXIV raids, especially EX's from newer expansions with min ilvl/no echo. Our boy sleepin' on quality content.
i disagree with a lot of what he said. DF is the best expansion to date. The mythic affix tweaks going to make S2 mythic plus a lot more enjoyable and what was annoying is gone (for the most part) the Raid fights in vault were not very difficult IMO and had decent encounter design. Dragon riding is fucking awesome. Im used to having it so much that NOT having it going to old world feels bad but I see this as a permanent feature by the time DF is over. I did not do PVP so I can't speak for it but the story and questing all felt nice/fun. I have time for few hours each night so maybe not playing 8h/day is preventing me from getting burned out.
I am someone that never played wow back in the day; the first time I tried wow seriously was during the login campaign during the wow movie, and I only started playing the game more at the tail end of Legion.
I can say with 100% honesty that Classic Vanilla, TBC and Wrath have been WAY more fun than retail, and Classic HC has been even more entertaining. it's not just nostalgia
11:00 - It's not just nostalgia for "the way things used to be."
A lot of older MMORPG games, perhaps World of Warcraft most of all, had a fundamental change in design philosophy that affected new and old players alike.
In making the game too easy to grow in and too easy to attain max level, game developers made it too difficult to "get into."
Or maybe better stated a different way: in making it so easy to level up and hit max level, game developers made it too difficult to care about your character and the world that you're supposed to feel a part of.
So, when you hit max level in Classic WoW, you feel like you did back in the day when you hit max level. It took time. It took patience. It took cooperation with other plays. You had to learn, and grow, and figure things out. You were challenged. Other players helped you out, and you helped them out. You got to feel a part of a larger world, meet more characters, hear more tails of the legendary lore characters of the game, and so on. In modern WoW, you can get from 1-60 or even 1-70 in just a couple of days as a new player. And you'll be referred to be all sorts of titles along the way: "Champion," "Maw Walker," or even simply "hero." But it all feels hollow, because you never accomplished anything, and you never really felt like you were a part of the world over those 50, 60, 70 levels.
In Vanilla, TBC, and Wrath Classic, I went through dozens and dozens of different regions, towns, cities, and dungeons just to get to level 50, another several to get to level 60, another several to get to level 70. And I felt like I was in a 'real' living world, that my character's actions and growth mattered, and that the people I met/helped along the way were a part of this story too.
I don't give a damn about my modern WoW characters, because they're just sitting at max level having not really done anything except for just my first character. And even then, I only marginally feel more a part of the world. (Having started in BFA content right as Shadowlands launched as a new WoW player.)
Blizzard needs to hire this man 😅
Loved hearing him say what everyone's thinking about the current state of WoW.
I dont
@@haitsuken cause it´s the truth, world of furrycraft
It was nearly the same with an mmo i played for 7 yrs got boring the player count had dropped so hard for the end game that their were not enough people in any server to do a endgame group boss and so no progression was possible with the people who got to that point
It's not Nostalgia talking, I recently went and played to 60 on Turtle. Truly enjoyable experience.
i must say, i tottaly agreee with big sweaty hairy man, beating the shit out of everybody... all new characters are like they escaped from pride show
I've been enjoying WoW more than I have the last few expansions
I played for a few year back around 2004-08. Just started playing again and I'm totally lost. Way too complicated an overwhelming. You level up so fast and end up with 30 quests and no idea what you should be doing anymore.
Agree with lowering dungeon exp and just put a lockout for dungeons like raids
I think a big reason why classic hardcore is so popular is because it's so digestible. Like look at the action bars of retail vs classic...
Right, let me place down 7 different ranks of the same spell. Tell me again how Retail is bloated vs Classic....
You quite obviously cant use multiple ranks of a spell at 1 time. You train multiple ranks of the same spell but only use the rank in which you place on your bar. Like why would you even place multiple ranks of the same spell on your bar hahah
He’s spot on about retail being completely pussified. They forgot who play their games. It’s Warcraft. They need to have more evil in the game for the good to mean anything.
M+ was fun at legion but after that it only got a habbit like „i need to do a m+ for my weekly reward if im not doing this im behind“ 💀
CC, used to have to use a sap, sheep, fear regulary. This required communication & planning. It then turned into just AOE everything down.