I Played Cataclysm Classic for 100 Hours is it as Bad as Everyone Said?
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
- Today I present my retrospective review of cataclysm classic in 2024. Should you play cataclysm classic? We will cover topics like the endgame, leveling, class deisgn and much more!
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as a GM and raid lead, being able to do a 10m that's much more tight-knit and easy to organize - where it's also much easier to communicate and keep a roster of talented, committed players - and not having to worry about the nightmare that is 25m guild managing is one of the most enjoyable things about cata so far. I get enjoying 25m raiding more, so I'm glad the option's there for those who prefer it. But having the option to main 10m and get the same loot (an atmosphere which a lot of people enjoy more) is enormous for me
As I grew up and now adulting, it is very difficult to get 25 solid players to show up every time for raiding. I love 25m raids don’t get me wrong but I don’t like pugging players every week or having to call it because a few ppl want to leave early
I think we are all on the same page here gents, I cant get enough tbh
I just wish they would have implemented that in vanilla and TBC and wrath still to some extent. having to wait til cata for that killed it somewhat for me
I never played cata when it came out so i was excited to give it a try. So far i really dont think its very casual friendly and this may be because of the community. No one has any patience for people who are learning the content and trying to grind heroics is a nightmare. People try to kick anyone for any reason now. I got kicked because i couldn't keep up with the pace of the group and kept going oom trying to heal so they replaced me. One group i was in tried to kick this shaman just for stopping to loot the corpses. Everyone is super picky who joins their raids too. So far the people are ruining cata for me :(
Yeah that's been my experience as well. The community is just kind of trash, not at all like how classic started as. I really miss classic vanilla. SoD was close to it, but Blizzard ruined phase 3 so bad it might as well be dead.
That is a pretty common theme.... its the community that gets worse not necessarily the xpac. Just means you gotta find a cool guild and group of friends. But yea, alot of players just dont have patience or act like elitists and ruin it for others. Being able to replay an xpac should allow for newer palyers to be slow and take their time to learn the class, content, and dungeons/raids.... but I guess with random players they might be pricks and lose patienc so have to group with people of similar mindset.
That is the entire Classic community in a nut shell though. They rushed all the content, to get to end game, to once again rush all the content, then to sit there and kick anybody who is holding up the "hardcore" community from progressing as fast as they possibly can. The whole rush to max level, the whole rushing the end game content, it was never an issue back in the day but the community in classic is unbearable, I did classic, TBC and then stopped at WOTLK, I thought the community might come alive in Wrath but you have all these dudes sucking the fun out of every last drop of content. Level on your own, forget guilds, and delete the game once max.
Can blame RDF enabling such behaviour. Im still a bit disappointed they put it in clsssic wrath, we were on our way to see an alternate timeline of wow expansions without the community destroying bits.
I started playing very late WOTLK, so my real WOW experience was started in Cata. I leveled a Warrior in Classic to 60, and I think it was by far the best WOW experience I ever had. But, I would be lying if I said I wasn't excited to give Cata a nice, nostalgic run. It was, after all, my first adventure into ACTUALL MMORPG games.
I will say as someone who has played wow for a long time, the casual element that exists with Cata classic is great for me now that I’m older with a family and my time is more limited
Fax
25man still feels like the easier to progress raid, because mistakes are mitigated 250% compared to 10 man. On the other hand having 10 consistent and skilled players makes up for even having to mitigate errors in the first place. I do enjoy having more people in a raid group as well, but that part is just personal preference. Ultimately I see no downside to letting 10man raids drop the same loot, but I think the option of a lower gear ilvl version of the raid (like 10 man in wotlk) has benefits too and honestly as much as people dislike it, I think that's where LFR comes in. Imo they should just gives us LFR now.
10m Ulduar is the reason so many people quit in Wotlk. Being forced to do both 10m and 25m Ulduar for bis gear. Seeing someone type the words they should just give us LFR now makes me physically ill please stop playing the game
@420OngBak Nobody is forcing you to do anything and by having the ilvl reduced it makes it much less of a requirement. If you feel like you're ever forced to do something in a game, you should quit for your own mental health.
Everyone in my guild keeps saying they are surprised how much they're having raiding in cata.
I gues its a typo ... but they are having ... raiding?? Truly one of the games of all time
@@chainclaw07 Context clues. Clearly they meant they're having fun.
@@420OngBak i mean, the adjective is the crucial pilot here, isn't it? They could mean having a bad time, having fun, having trouble...
@@chainclaw07 Well the reason why the context clues point towards "having fun" is because the general sentiment from the community is that Cata was a bad expansion. That's why it would be "surprising"
I lvled several classes to 85: hunter, dk, shaman, warrior, pala.
I was hoping to check which one is fun. And appreciate they are all fun
Sorry but i dissagree i hate 25m raiding it feels suffocating to me i love 10m it feels like a baseball team once everyone knows there jobs on each fight communcation is so much easier
No need to say you're sorry
Didn't I see this exact video like 6 months ago?
My husband's favorite part of playing is the danger in open world. We usually play together and there was no way to make the leveling content hard for a pair. he also hates dungeon finder because he likes to go slowly, carefully through a dungeon and modern players wont do that.
There is literally no reason to go slow in dungeons when they’re piss easy
Retail dungeon are really easy
Cata isn't slow paced not even slightly.
@@therider990 good thing everyone plays exactly like you do
We'll cata dungeons are easy, no point in doing it slow, especially when you have to do it so so so many times until ur ready for raid
I said this before and I'll this again, Cata is as much Classic as Wrath, that's it. Now, if people is going to comment here with the "argument" that Wrath has the old world leveling, well, let me tell you this:
1) In Wrath, nobody cares a shit about open world leveling, they just lvl until 15 and they spam dungeons to 80. Exactly like Cata.
2) Everyone in Wrath wants to speed level so they can get to endgame content. Exactly like Cata.
3) Everybody in Wrath spends 99.9% in Wotlk zones and Dalaran (also wotlk zone) and that 0.01% is when they have to visit Org because there's no AH in Dalaran. In this point, even Cata is more Classic than Wrath because at least the expansion takes place in Kalimdor and Easter Kingdoms lol!
4) Everyone says they love old world, but they don't even visit it. It's like saying you love your grandpa but you never visit them.
New update, Cata numbers in Warcraft logs are now 317K so they're still growing :D
oh no cata has players and is growing just like wrath did and guess what the numbers will drop just like wrath did so your so called update is moot
Well said only thing I love more about Wotlk...Easy acces to heirlooms. Just started in Cata a few days ago after not touching wow in 12 or so years. Goes great just miss my heirlooms a lot xD
I love how you say vanilla players have a "classic Andy mindset" as an insult, as if you're not a classic Andy who's been making (and is still making) classic content for multiple years straight.
So he includes himself ya dopey fool.
What makes you think it's an insult 😂 You're taking the video too seriously.
Who hurt you
@@MetaGoblin I just thought it was funny. I'm not offended by it lol
I know right? 😂 the irony lol
It’s a great combination of classic and retail; which definitely has me hooked. Didn’t think I’d enjoy it as much as I am.
I’ll say my guild was initially very happy with the new lockout system. We were frustrated with the stress/drama that comes with running a 25 man prog team and switched over to just running two 10 man teams. We’ve been happy with that but I do miss being able to do both 10 and 25.
Was a bit bored as a geared healer in retail and wanted to kill time before the war within. Levelled a holy paladin to 85 through dungeon levelling. Ended up 330 ilvl by the time i levelled in dungeon blues. then started heroic dungeons and then yeah justice and valor vendors. Pretty enjoyable experience
First. And cata is still goated for me. I love it to no end :)
fr never understood the dislike
Yeah cata is my #1 expansion man! I've been waiting all of classic for this!
I’ve been loving Cata Classic. I adored this expac and it hasn’t disappointed.
Loads of people will just regurgitate whatever their favourite streamer says without even giving it a chance
Cata is like a classic retail hybrid. Raids have modern mechanics. My arms warrior rotation still has a classic feel even though it's a bit more complicated.
I kinda like that its not 10 and 25m. Im already at the point where my main only have one day raiding, and my alt gets a second day. In wrath i had 3 alts by icc. Doing 6 raids a week for a long time was to much.
the addon for your action bars and profiles plz????
hard disagree on the raid lockouts, i really like not having"" to do 10 and 25 man on multiple chars week in week out
If you have been apart of any 25 man raids especially when it comes to heroics the ammount of loot item drops is insane. theres no reason to have 10s be on a sep lockout like it used to be when it gives the same gear.
Your normal mode weapon made me laugh. I was casual for Warlords and I had a normal dungeon weapon the whole expansion right up until pre-patch for Legion and I got it in LFR. What an insult!
cata was a good expansion, i remember getting into forum fights over this. A lot of people are just dumb and prefer to follow the current instead of actually testing the waters themselves, it sucks, but it is what it is
Cata gets a bad rep, mainly for changing a few parts of the overworld and Dragon Soul being a bit lackluster for a final raid.... but overall I think it did alot of good things. For most part, new additions and changes to classes were good, talent revamp and mroe baseline abilities. As a Shaman I liked alot of the new additions for the class and Enhancement spec... all specs really. The starter leveling experience was better and mroe streamlined too, with powerful class spec defining abilities at lvl 10 and just more fun stuff like procs in your rotation. And you had heroic options for dungeons/raids which gave some actual proper challenge in difficulty for people who can handle it. Plus stuff like currencies, honor/valor/justice/conquest ect to make gearing easier..... reforge and txmog and all that. I think alot of people are realizing that Cata is better then they thought.
I’m loving cataclysm to be honest. Such a nostalgia hit
Cata is the death of classic game design and the born of modern game design aka retail-like (well honestly it was slowly happening since tbc, but the destruction of old world zones marks it as the most visually changing). The game is not bad and there are enjoyable features in it. Yet the principles that make vanilla and classical mmo's do not apply to it anymore.
The problem I am Having is being a returning player.. there are currently 7 different versions of Wow up right now and have no clue where to jump in.. I am also a social gamer so don't really know what servers are good for connecting with people to do content with.. All in all great video
Cataclysm leveling was good, even had some call backs from the pre - cata version quests or even continued the story of them. But overall the expansion was overly mid in my opinion. Cataclysm is definitely better than Shadowlands.
But you’ll never please Classic Andy’s, they just want to live in the memories of their childhood. If anything, they are closer to retro gamers for MMO’s. But less than a gamer, since they probably only play this one game.
Decent video, GG
If people had to travel to the dungeons the first time they did them you'd see more people while leveling as long as people are leveling, also this stops people from not knowing where the dungeons or associated graveyards are
4 weeks in, people are already raid logging and the zones are emptying quickly. I'm a lot more further then I got back in 4.0 back when cata first came out though
Yeah low lvl zones have like 3 people in pagle but the dungeon finder is pretty fast
Yes this is the case for nearly every expansion including Vanilla which literally forced you to raid log because of world buffs. I don't really understand the point you're trying to make
Cataclysm was the expansion that took WoW to the next phase, not only as it removed vanilla completely from the game but it changed the game. BC and Wrath was addons to vanilla while Cata was a step to a new game.
Cata might not be looked back on fondly by a whole lot of people, but I was recently bitten by the MMO bug again and decided to pick WoW back up after years off. I played Shadowlands for a month or two and kinda lost interest in the story plus I thought that the endgame zone's gimmick was sorta stupid, but last time I played with any sort of regularity was Cata through WoD. I hope that I get a chance to experience WoW's peak era at some point, but frankly, I'm still having fun in Cata. I enjoy the world freshly scarred by Deathwing, I strangely enjoy Vashj'r in spite of my usual aversion to water sections in games, The heroics I'm grinding for my justice and valor points are fun and give a nice challenge for a group of better geared players. I'm hoping once I'm geared up and properly brimped out with all the heroic gear and rep gear I need that I can get into some raiding with the guild I'm in!
Broh, in Retail people can also group to do Raids and stuf togheter, u dont need to be solo spaming dg finder, this is what u do becouse want to do it, u dont need a game obeing u to do stay in the same realm and know people becouse u are unsocial and uncaplebe to made a group in a videogame. Have tons og guilds and social groups on Retail doing stuf toghether open your mind. Dont blame the game becouse u want to other players being avaiable to u becouse u are enable to even find a good guild.
We get it... you like retail wow...
Just reading this made me dumberer
Cata hype 👍
No way to play arena solo shuffle or skirmish mode so not for me thanks.
Looks like you should have farmed zinny in the prepatch
25 man raid gives more loot. And herioc 25 man gives even more loot.
5 ans 6 pieces respectively. On top of that tier bosses give 3 pieces of tier.
This video is not exactly informative it's just u droning on about what the cata features are
That buff for the open world after completing a dungeon is actually a great idea! I love me some cata and love me some wpvp which is why I'm on grobbulus and that would make it even better. I also agree that the raid locking is garbage.
cataclysm is not wow classic. Its wow 2.
I can't STAND how the 10/25 sharing lockout has made me have to choose which group I can play with :(
How about leveling an alt? It's very fast and you get to enjoy another class :)
Classic Andy’s stay winning.
The difficulty of a raid should be the organization of 40 people before hand. 90% of the effort should be before the raid even starts. 10% should be executing the plan and using the consumes you have farmed the week before.
You are delusional. A video game where the main challenge and difficulty being logistics is called a 4x strategy game, not an MMO. Your take is miserably terrible and you should crawl back into your private server hole where you came from
I tried quite a few characters and got a few to 85. I just dont enjoy the rotations. The best i could find was survival hunter. Then, having to dps as a healer annoyed me because i just wanted to heal when playing one.
It’s great
Definitely not as bad as all the crap you churn out on this channel. But what do we expect from a known gold buyer/seller. I am glad that browser add-ons exist that prevent sh*tty channels like this from getting clicks/views/ad-revenue & positive engagement.
i hope Cataclysm stays forever you think you don’t want it but you really DO !!!!😂
The leveling is so incredibly easy and boring, it destroys the whole experience for me. I dislike that everything my level dies in three globals and I dislike even more that I outlevel not only the zone I'm in halfway through, but also the next zone. The balancing and exp curve is abysmal.
There are heirlooms, RFD and level boosts for people that just wanna rush through. Make the early game enjoyably ffs.
People hate on Cata because they are too upset that their circle jerk around WotLK is over and they can't bare to think of anything else.
Levelled to max. Did all the heroics and pre-bis. Cleared all the raids on release night. Havent felt the urge to log back on since.
I dont know if its the expansions fault or if ive just finally reached the end of how invested I can feel.
you did all the raids on heroic on release night?
@@Oratory1989 just normal mode raids. No interest in doing the heroic versions at all. Even if I did I'm not willing to pay a monthly sub to raidlog. Just burn out I think.
It’ll be like every other classic expansion. I play it for a few months and then quit and unsub until the next expansion.
Literally no one said cata is bad, so why the title?
Because literally, almost everyone DID say it was bad.
Gtfo
@@funkup7735 :D people who never played it.
Do people actually want a 10m jail like in ulduar and icc???
These morons have no idea what they want or don't want. 10m jail Ulduar is why so many people quit the game in droves.
Cataclysm itself, up til the end of firelands was insanely good. Classic cata is pay to win...
pay to win how?
I have 5 toons leveled up with full bloodthirsty gear, balance druid, bm hunter, arcane mage, shadow priest and ele shaman.
They all feel awful to play I think it's mostly the low crit, 19% is my highest toon.
Just doing the Tol Barad dailys is a near death experience on all but my hunter, the mobs hit way to hard for non elites and the lack of crit makes them too hard to kill not to mention the self healing classes heals are stupid weak. (moonkin armor is nerfed to hell as well as starfall)
I went into cata with a positive attitude and I can't keep it up anymore, so far cata sucks arse.
I really want to play tbc again.... I think wow peaked in tbc, for me been a decline since.
I always thought I was a vanilla guy but TBC was a blast. I'd like to go through that again.
@@adventurekobold Right? TBC fresh servers def in the future. I never realized how much more i enjoyed classic compared to cata and beyond.
They should definitely keep a few servers of the original 3 games, at least.
back on the day when cata came out i was happy with all the changes. but now i realize when you have things like dungeon finder and easy quests you don't need a crew / group / friends on the game any more.
wow is an mmo and mmos are social game at the core. when you encourage solo play for majority of the game you eliminate that social aspect and the mmo "dies" and feels like it is something else.
the end game heroics get more difficult so it also further divides the players who are trying to play together leading to more toxic encounters with the people you do interact with.
cata is not the worst but it's also not that good just something to do for now.
2nd
Wow is in such a bad state right now its just a joke
Cata classic is just the downfall of wow again with more technical issues. However blizzdrones are such copium addicts they will keep calling it classic despite it turning into retail 😂
Cata is an entirely different game to the classic trio, you either liked it back in the day or you dont.
It was never my expansion and still isnt tbh.
Good and fair review though :)
No PvP mention: your opinion is irrelevant
I would have mentioned pvp but since so little people play it the video would have tanked on video audience retention. It's actually tragic how dead pvp is right now.
Mate no pvp mentioned are you daft ? EU and Us both have mega servers with it's either 99% alliance or 99% horde PVP is dead in almost every server.
So your opinion is uneducated and wrong.
For real wish they actually would have server matchmaking since it's all 99% one faction in all mega servers.
Is it hard ? Sure is that our problem ? Fuck no.
Blizzard created an issue and should solve it
@@MetaGoblin When a content creator openly admits to a part of the game being dead, there is no turning back now
Yes cata was fine but the problem is if you wanted to do old stuff that's it's no longer possible. Also we all know where this is leading to in the future
meh
Cataclysm end game raiding may be good, but we still have to play the rest of the game in its current state which is pathetic and a tax too high that most of us unsubscribed
Blizzard got really good at making dungeons and raids, they should have just made a separate dungeon game where you get a hero similar to LoL where the level up / item process is simple
but instead you waste 50% of the game time running chores to pay blizzard bots scraping the game
You can buy game time ingame.. And only cost 5.7k..
Played on vanilla before and first time cata. Game is ok they made a lot of stuff easier to do and a lot. But u can see from start if u lvl char from 1 that 70% of world is empty becuase most of people have already done it and just do cata stuff thats why world feels empty. But i can understand apeal of Cata good dungeons and good pvp like its a good game
I know you need sponsors for keeping the channel afloat and all but dude Rested XP is some of the scummiest shit out there on the ENTIRE net.
Very saddened to see you accept $ from them. Very sad.
Cata is way better than TBC. It's actually somewhat fun to play.
vanilla is so ass idk how people still play it
More people like vanilla then retail so
@@jakecarroll5 ...That's statistically and mathematically false. There are several hundred thousand more people playing retail than any version of vanilla including private servers. What's it like being so God damn stupid?
@@420OngBak Who hurt you lmao ? You talk like you suffer from crippling insecurity
it was a rubbish expansion that grew far to slow . and was painful to play at times.
played it to lv 30 and hated every second.
yes next question no shadow lands is and probably war within with the crybaby emo prince
Cataclysm sucks
I’ll say my guild was initially very happy with the new lockout system. We were frustrated with the stress/drama that comes with running a 25 man prog team and switched over to just running two 10 man teams. We’ve been happy with that but I do miss being able to do both 10 and 25.