Australia KOM Fails - Norton Summit - Full Effort with Commentary
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2019
- I thought about not posting this video because of some dumb comments I've been getting lately about doping, but I've decided not to change what I post for the people who don't get me at the cost of the folks who do. Flattering as it is to be accused of riding so fast that it can't be real, if this or anything I've done looks doped to you, you're really just admitting that don't know anything about me and you don't know much about cycling. The truth is I'm not even that fast, I was rarely more than a role player in the WorldTour, there's lots of clean riders who could drop me (and did), and this is a very attainable effort to beat if you put in the work for ten years like I did.
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Guys thanks for the support but please don't name any trolls in the comments...that's what they want.
Glad to see you uploaded it! Keep killing it man!
This like Harry Potter? He who shouldn't be named? 😂
Would like to see you sue troll who's riding on your coat tails for slander. Shame you have to put up with it.
Not worth my time
is this all about that guy from down under who creates controversy and click bait videos to get views? He also said Ritchie Porte was slower on his Emonda because the disc brakes made it heavier, (true sort of) but both versions would have been the same weight to meet the UCI weight limit, meaning no weight difference between that two for a UCI race. 🤦🏻♂️
Just wanna put out a line in the comments saying I am glad you're still posting, and the description is a very articulate response. Really enjoy your stuff Phil, you've introduced me to cycling in many ways, hope you can continue to post without issues!
During the narration you say that you don't want to spoil it for us and tell us whether you did or did not get the KOM, yet the results is in the top right for the duration of the vlog! 😂 Solid effort though 👍
Dave Kelly i saw that too.
Thanks for the video. I'm always happy to watch and listen to the commentary.
You got really close, Phil. Great job! One of the things I sometimes forget is that the Pro's have the advantage of racing on a closed course. And in De Ghent's case, he was in a group the whole time. You no longer have that luxury and yet you still manage KOMS! Or at the very least; you hold your own against guys still in the game :)
Very good write up in the description, Phil, and I believe you have the right perspective on this 100%. Ride on, brother!
Keep on posting Phil, these are legend! I'm loving "Draft Animals". Keeping it clean and honest. Well done!
Yesssssssss Phil! This was amazing to witness in person!
You’re the best Emily! Great to meet you
its amazing how smooth so much power looks - well done man!
Great effort & great video! Keep it coming Phil.👍🏼
Good try man. Very close!!!!! Great response to the other videos in your summary of this effort. You’re doing tons of great stuff. Keep it up!
Great stuff, Phil. Thanks for doing it.
You're a machine bro. Great video.
Mark Ferguson thanks mark!
We value all your efforts!
really impressive Phil - love the videos!
Love it, thanks for being an inspiration!
Another epic effort! Awesome to see👍
Awesome vid Phil! I'm from Adelaide and we are truly blessed to have so many beautiful climbs like this right on our doorstep. Reason there are so few cars is that there is a kind of unwritten rule of Norton.... bikes get New Norton Summit rd and the cars take Oldl Norton Summit Rd.. they both end up in the same place! In reality this happened as the cars get sick of being stuck behind the bikes on the new rd but hey as a cyclist who's complaining!
I cannot stop watching the first minute over and over, the way he panics and pulls his phone out in the hope to get footage he can bullshit himself over is just hilarious
Phil Gaimon Im Sorry Mate
ruclips.net/video/_RZSlYfmDXo/видео.html
The Stoic Edgelord , no ‼️ U r wrong‼️ I ain’t Durianrider ‼️‼️
@@znumoxlae-7826 Durianrapist is an infamous liar and hate+dramamonger. This "watts evidence" is all bullshit, and DR knows it, but doesn't care. DR needs to stroke his ego and get some drama views and points with his very very very stupid group of supporters.
BikeRadar excerpt from over a year and half ago :
===============================================================
Enormous power output
Gaimon's engine is remarkable. At 150 lbs / 68kg, he can put out 480 watts for 10 minutes. He can hold over 400 watts for an hour.
"My power profile looks like I should win the Tour," Gaimon said. "My 5- to 60-minute power is world class and better than it ever was when I was racing. I train at about half the volume, and I go hard on uphills only. I have no endurance. I am making myself more specialized. I can do maybe 5w more. I think if you put me in a WorldTour uphill time trial I would do better, but would do worse in an actual race. It has been interesting."
Gaimon's long term coach Frank Overton of FasCat Coaching verified Gaimon's improvement for these shorter efforts.
"Most of our training concentrates on maximal steady state full gas efforts 10-30 minutes in length, plus sweet spot training for the longer climbs," Overton said. "We'll do bottom-to-top repeats of a shorter climb in order to train for longer climbs. For example, we'll go for a 10-minute KOM, then repeat two more times, to train for a 30-minute KOM."
=================================================================
- BikeRadarJune 23, 2017 "Ex-pro targets Strava KOMs with funky bike and world-class power"
www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/phil-gaimons-strava-kom-bike-50210/
DR has always been lying and selling a con - the 'con' that he is someone to look up to and believe for the "best" advice.
If you were conned and moved on, good for you. If you were conned and are afraid to leave, time will fix that. If you were conned and 'love DR til the end', you are one of the dumbest people in the history of mankind, gg.
Thats the fitness you will have eating “vegan” pizzas from Dominoes 😹😹😹
All the best Phil, stay strong dont let the negativity get to you, we enjoy your Videos
Darn.... that's one hell of an effort.... amazing speed all the way on that climb....!!
You are a star Phil. Well done mate!
Phil, come grab some KoMs in Brazil! Nice sunshine too!
What kind of drop-off in power or time would you expect if you were riding this climb as part of a full stage?
Straight shredding! Good job Phil
Keep smashing it Phil.
Come on Phil!!! You're incredible, such a source of inspiration ^^
Don't listen to the haters, you're the best!
Another great video Phil. Feels like you should be doing more ...... setting up USA GCN for example!
Great fun...love your vids...always welcome Down Under...
18mph on 6% grade for that long!!! Wow! That's a goal for me. I enjoyed your video Phil.
Love the intro man
great speed. thanks for filming.
Great video - thanks! In the late 1980s and early 1990s, I used to ride up this climb 4-5 times a week. All the Australian Institute of Sport riders would train there doing laps while guys like me would die on a single climb. It was a huge ride up memory lane.
Oh, and I saw some of the drama you mentioned in another video. That guy's an embarrassment. Sorry you have to deal with it.
Hi Phil, do you think it's the best idea to display your attempt time right out of the gate?
I would personally prefer to see it revealed at the end, so there is some suspense and it's more interesting to watch. Just my opinion. What does everyone else think?
Awesome video!
That wattage output is SOLID! I regularly see 455 watts on my bike, 60 seconds MAX :-)
You're better than me. I regularly see 455 when I let my brother borrow my bike.
Great job Phil, I'm disappointed I didn't meet you when you were in Calgary.
Phil you are a legend!!!
That dude in fluo barely holding on the wheel at the beginning.. POP! there he goes
That's durianrider lmao
The guy you flagged is all talk and super abusive. Most toxic individual in the sport, gets on the gear , abuses women seriously bad dude and worth avoiding him. Biggest joke in the Australian cycling scene
Neal M I mean, He’s far stronger than the average and intermediate rider. I think he could keep up In P1/P2 races.
He ran into an ex pro who spent time in europe in the pro peloton...probably done many many climbs. Guy got popped off the back and didn't like it.
@@cameronking1872 if him being dropped that quickly is indicative of his fitness, he most certainly would not hang with p 1/2
Good Stuff, Phil. Is it possible for you to throw in some more tactic-talk when you do these... ie when are the good places to make small recoveries and why. I know these shorter climbs may not be as tactical, but I always enjoy the tips from the pros.
Nice place! I will have to go to this place to see it by myself. Great vieo, great effort.
Awesome Phil!
I highly recommend the climb in Sequoia National Park~ it’s the best Climb in California in my opinion!
Great job getting sponsors from around the world and continuing to make a living from cycling!
Does the climb have a specific name? Just starting to scratch the California climbs off my list.
The Generals HWY@@vedhed21
Well done Phil 💪
Amazing Phil
Phil, someone may have mentioned this already, the trees by the side of the Norton Summit climb are Eucalyptus... Koala's love to hang out and chomp on the leaves. Incidentally, you will see a ton of Eucalyptus trees in SoCal. I did a gravel ride out of Temecula a few weeks ago and was blown away by the number of imported Eucalyptus trees I spotted along the route.
Massive kudos too for your effort. I cut my cycling teeth on Norton Summit way back in 1991 on gearing I would never ride today, ha! Hopefully, you can return to try your hand at some other climbs in Adelaide during another visit. Corkscrew is one (Pro Tour has been up it) and Coachman Road... both are short but steep little buggers!
Nice man!! How much lighter is Tomas? Keep it rolling
Neat, congrats, thanks.
Hey Phil how do you deal with cramps (or prevent them)? I've noticed that occasionally when I do a really hard effort I will be prone to cramps (mainly hamstring) for several hours afterward, especially in the winter when I'm not riding as many miles (and also not drinking as much while on rides). Would love to hear your thoughts on that.
Include a 10-15 warm down (no effort just spin the legs and shake them out a bit ie relax the muscles and wiggle your knees in and out) at the end of the ride. Drink more (electrolyte mix), add some stretching and massaging of your hamstrings post ride. You can stretch mid ride without stopping too, stand out of the saddle straighten one leg and push your heel down as far as you can and hold for a few seconds then do the other leg and repeat. If you do that here and there when out it should help a fair bit. I do plenty of century plus length rides in shitty and cold weather and these things definitely help me.
You are an absolute gun. inspiration dude.
Haha thank you! More coming!
@@worstretirementever yes sir👍👊💪
You're the man Phil!!! Couldn't imagine how sad of a life one must live to stoop to the level of online troll. Jealousy is a hell of a thing. I absolutely love seeing ACTUAL cycling footage that is inspirational, motivating, and educational....instead of others out there that rely on kiddy drama to try to get views. Keep it up broski#!#!!!!!
Hope you enjoyed our city. Newly subscribed.
Loved it! Thank you
Crazy effort! Well within your wheelhouse with the grade/length. If you lived there you'd get it with a tail wind
good effort phil
How much effort in % are you putting in. 100% all the way or more like 80% ,it varies?
Im a noob
100% for any efforts you see here. You pace it so I’m not sprinting off the line, but my goal is to be totally empty at the finish
will you do mortirolo or zoncolan?
Would love to someday
Really enjoyed this. In the real world of weekend mug cyclists anything less than 20mins is a respectable effort.
Thanks! More coming
Well, your numbers are impressive to say the very least.
And DurianRider etc. called a few things into question (FTP etc), but at the end of the day that is your performance. So fair play. You mentioned before that you specifically train for certain kinds of effort and time periods on Hills, so hey. It's just an impressive performance. So keep up the great work.
Cookies are hella drug🤣. lol jk. Nice ride btw
And those caffeinated cookies are really something else :)
Chris Harper set a new mark of 11.00 flat the Monday of 2024 Tour Down Under week, solo, on a training ride.
Phil, you need to come to Melbourne to get every KOM in the Dandenongs, particularly Devil's Elbow
I just spend 10minutes explaining to the wife how much quicker you are than me
Phil could have explained it in 3 minutes
Bryce Burnett I mean as far as witty comments go, that has got to be up there with my favourites 😂😂
They are locally called 'gum trees' but actually they're eucalyptus trees! They smell amazing! If you ever go back, drive the Great Ocean Road - you will also see many koalas there ;) - and the smell of the trees and the sea and all the epic views are amazing!
Haha I’ll cone back then thanks
Hey you're on the wrong side of the roooooaaaddd! Lol
Watching you ride up there, I am getting so confused.
Is it true you can push more watts now then when you were a pro??
Phil Gaimon Im Sorry Mate
ruclips.net/video/_RZSlYfmDXo/видео.html
Durianrapist is an infamous liar and hate+dramamonger. This "watts evidence" is all bullshit, and DR knows it, but doesn't care. DR needs to stroke his ego and get some drama views and points with his very very very stupid group of supporters.
BikeRadar excerpt from over a year and half ago :
===============================================================
Enormous power output
Gaimon's engine is remarkable. At 150 lbs / 68kg, he can put out 480 watts for 10 minutes. He can hold over 400 watts for an hour.
"My power profile looks like I should win the Tour," Gaimon said. "My 5- to 60-minute power is world class and better than it ever was when I was racing. I train at about half the volume, and I go hard on uphills only. I have no endurance. I am making myself more specialized. I can do maybe 5w more. I think if you put me in a WorldTour uphill time trial I would do better, but would do worse in an actual race. It has been interesting."
Gaimon's long term coach Frank Overton of FasCat Coaching verified Gaimon's improvement for these shorter efforts.
"Most of our training concentrates on maximal steady state full gas efforts 10-30 minutes in length, plus sweet spot training for the longer climbs," Overton said. "We'll do bottom-to-top repeats of a shorter climb in order to train for longer climbs. For example, we'll go for a 10-minute KOM, then repeat two more times, to train for a 30-minute KOM."
=================================================================
- BikeRadarJune 23, 2017 "Ex-pro targets Strava KOMs with funky bike and world-class power"
www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/phil-gaimons-strava-kom-bike-50210/
DR has always been lying and selling a con - the 'con' that he is someone to look up to and believe for the "best" advice.
If you were conned and moved on, good for you. If you were conned and are afraid to leave, time will fix that. If you were conned and 'love DR til the end', you are one of the dumbest people in the history of mankind, gg.
@@chaunceygardener2415 I figured as much, like someone training for the 800 meter in Track and Field where it's almost center to nowhere on utilizing energy systems
Chauncey Gardener I tried the CTFU thing for about a year and it was shit for my strength & fitness, turns out we do need protein lololll and you can eat all the beans you want but there’s something about eggs, chicken and other protein sources derived from our fellow earthlings. DR would say that’s horseshit, but he got popped and dropped while claiming his diet makes him the fittest. I think that’s the definition of insanity😹😹😹
Impressive! If you have the time, I advise getting back into pro racing to see how much further you can push yourself
Hello Phil, come to london and try and get the richmond park KOM. It’s a beautiful 7 miles with a KOM of 13 minutes at 500watts+
Naming no names. He is truly pathetic. Desperately trying to remain relevant. Only more pathetic are his fawning followers. Phil keep up the awesome work.
You called it yourself Phil, better lines might have got you a few seconds, but hey, a monster effort. Kudos.
I haven't tracked the drama Phil is talking about but IIRC, his 2nd book casually mentions throwing down 467W for 14 minutes at 147lbs (I can do that for about 90 seconds at 170lbs!) when he was still a pro. 455 for 11 is off his peak form.
I’m a little heavier too
@@worstretirementever not much by the looks of it!
I like coming back to this video to see a certain bigmouth getting dropped lag a bag of dirt within a minute lol
And then accuse me of doping for the next 3 years because he doesn’t want to admit that he sucks
@@worstretirementever Hilarious. If you ever find yourself back in Adelaide, I'll buy you a cookie
Phil come to New Zealand and do Bruce road , Ruapehu!!! 13KM 5%
Good video I also do the same tactic for efforts.
Preidler is still in the Strava Top 10...
Haha who’s the guys in yellow at the beginning that got dropped?! 🤣
They call him Banana Joe or something...
Mr vegan fuckwit himself
+durianrider
@@krankedteamcls hey...banana joe is on kauai...😁
Epic
Jeeeesus....only got 7 MINUTES to wipe off my PB 😂
hell yeah new vid
This boy on the cookie gas.
TomaCukor and he trains his ass off💪🏼 Durianrider just eats vegan junk food and trolls around the RUclips’s
Great ride Phil.
How much drafting assistance is provided by camera bikes, commissaire bikes, team cars etc. during a World Tour race? I'll wager that it's a significant enough amount which in turn enables many of the KOM's taken by pros in the breakaway. So unless you can simulate all that, it's bound to be hard to beat those times. In light of that, considering that Phil has beaten such KOM's is proof positive that he's a beast!
I think the riders’ draft is more of a factor, and having both sides of the road. Of course I get to come in all fresh and rested on a silly light bike :)
You funny guy.
Why are there so many naysayers? Phil was a pro for years, and the ability for him to put down a sub 15 minute effort with higher power than during the ultimate climb in a stage race is easy to understand: as (a) he only focuses on one effort and not the entirety of a stage, and (b) his training can be done so for specificity, i.e. training for climbs. It does not take rocket science to ascertain that simple fact. His capillary development and training know-how are still there and thus he is uniquely apt to lay down these efforts and produce epic videos for our entertainment
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Gr8 Effort. Maybe come back & have another Crack at it. The Specialized Atheos S-Works version at 6kilos might be the shot. Pretty sure l could manage 2 get that bike down 2 5 kilos. Just dont have the "Grunt" 4 that kind of Effort plus l am 62 yrs old.
Great stuff "buddy". Ok, I don't qualify to call you that, but just finished "$10 A Day..." and "Draft Animals". "$10" was good, "Animals" was much better! Need to find the 3rd one. Sort of laughable that you say you're not that fast. Even those in the back of the groupetto are amazing to us weekend warriors.
We’re buddies now it’s mutual
Doesn't look like you're going that fast untill you fly by the newbs
How could Phil have significantly higher power on that climb but still be 8 seconds slower than DeGent? Surely Phil is not heavier than DeGent.
TDG probably had a draft for some of the way.
Holy Crap. Look at that power. Why are you not racing?
OK IM DONE WITH CYCLING!!! wtf.....
Get dropped in 30 secs is what happens when you dont wear socks..
I think if it were possible that you get to use the full road so you can pick lines you would have smashed it
I like the beginning of your videos when you say you raced right through some of the most beautiful places on Earth. Something most don't realize when they think of becoming a Professional Cyclist. You are not going to get to enjoy the pleasures of the World as a racer. I never had the desire to be a professional.
Dude got taken out by a big roo on the decent bout a month before this and ended up in hospital!!
LOL...that's shouldn't be funny but it is if your referring to the DR person. Those Roos are big and strong and probably just hopped off, like...what was that I just hit, a fly or something.
I’m sure he was panicking after 20/30 seconds into the lead out ! Some lead out man hahahaha reaching for his dater aid gels / drink / personality 😂😂😂
Gum Trees.
Regarding the Kangaroo noise, we managed to keep that a secret for over 200 years. Now this American comes on over and tells the world all because he wants to promote some cycling video... thanks Phil...👍
Also there’s no such thing as a drop bear
No no they are real and definitely NOT fluffy seat covers filled with potatoes.
Hahaha that muppet taking his phone out ("to make a call" aka dropped) at 1:10 is priceless. He's 40 plus years old hanging out with a 20 year old girl and doesn't appear to have any friends. Just keep doing what you're doing and ignore the drama.
It'd be interesting to see you and Alberto do a ride, tho im judging he's at a higher grade than you, tho imagine smoking the guy even in retirement lol...
Dear Phil, it's quite clear to me that you are showing the outstanding capabilities of genetically gifted and hard working *clean* athlete. As someone who follows cycling for many years I, unfortunately, can tell when extremely gifted athletes are crossing the human capabilities with outrages performances during brutal races (especially 1990-2013). Your achievements are far beyond of us ordinary people but quite modest compared with the top juiced gladiators of cycling.
Getting to the worldtour made me feel pretty ordinary but thank you Rani
Hey Phil, I would love to see you come to Melbourne and try our very similar 1 in 20 climb. The biggest difference is that here there is a plethora of cafes with cookies, coffees and cake once you get to the top. But hey that’s Melbourne. Feel free to check out my recent 300w effort to see the climb...and lots of other climbs in our Dandenong Ranges....Sweet....I’ll let the cafes know you are coming, cheers.
For as much shit as that troll talks, I'd have thought he was actually a strong rider. Dude probably gets dropped on his local bunch ride. What a joke.
He's a pretty strong rider. He can hold 325W for 22 minutes, which might not be world class but it's certainly no joke for an amateur who doesn't ride much. My FTP on the other hand...
@@nonamedlish I'd question those numbers. Did you see how fast he got dropped? lol
@@bluemystic7501 The data is from strava with a power meter and the full effort is on RUclips. There's plenty of videos of him dropping people and winning group races up this same climb.
@@nonamedlish Sounds like he rides with the B group, lol.
@@bluemystic7501 What's your FTP? It must be above 310 to be saying what you're saying? Mines only 230 so I definitely couldn't keep up with Durianrider, let alone Phil. What about you?