Lipo Bag Tests - Round 1
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2018
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Sure like to see an actual lipo fire in one. Like a 6s 1300mah - real life. they burn far longer than your fuse thingy
"fuse thingy" :) I came to comment similarly... not only that, but 1) batteries would more likely be near the bottom of the bags, not where they put them just so they could light it, and 2) these fuse thingies appeared somewhat inconsistent -- I would have at least tried to ensure they were as exactly the same as possible (e.g., very precisely wound, the same number and tightness of twists, and so forth).
Bra,you should see a 26,000 mah lipo go up it is insane!
Here's some real good footage linked below🎥👇
ruclips.net/video/CnNId0mDnBo/видео.html
Deez louize
As I was watching this video the first thing I thought was , this fuse just isn’t burning like a lipo would . So as much as I love the fact that this gentlemen took the time to try each lipo bag , it just isn’t accurate . As I’m scrolling through the comments I noticed the video above and I read your response that the video was terrifying lol . I didn’t believe you at first , WHAT THE FK ! You weren’t lying bro , that video is scary . That 6s went off like a jet engine ! It definitely made me reconsider everything I’ve been doing with these batteries . As safe as I thought I was being . I’m being even more safe now and I’m definitely going to get a ammo box . So my batteries will be in a ZEE lipo bag a ammo box and inside my small fire safe . And I’ll be keeping them outside from now on . My shed isn’t climate controlled . But it doesn’t get to hot
in the summer and it isn’t to bad in the winter . Fuck that shit lol
This is an actual test of the HobbyMate bag: ruclips.net/video/dSnYDvj3BDs/видео.html
I'm sure that these all come out the same factory with slightly different designs and finishes with branding for the individual suppliers.
In addition, a lipo fire is sustained for about 2 minutes, not 4 seconds. I don't think that any of these will handle a sustained fire.
Maybe not 2mins but atleast 20-30 seconds as opposed to a few seconds in his test
I concur.
They wouldn’t. My boyfriends battery exploded 3 times and was shooting flames and shrapnel. There’s a little hole in the ceiling from the force.
Love that a came across this and all my bags are Hobbymate :D
Honestly after watching this I don’t think I trust any of the bags you tested
This is all you need... I wouldn’t ever charge a lipo inside my house anyway you should do it in the garage while keeping a eye on it. Plenty of time to kick it on to the driveway
@@topg1964 Why are you that scared of lipos? Most electronics uses similar batteries. Both my Laptop and my phone use lipos.
@@definingslawek4731 I’m just a pretty paranoid person I could buy a $120 smart lipo with the hard case and I would still think it would burst into a big fire 😂😂😂 but that is true
@@definingslawek4731 Laptops and Phone batteries (By the way, almost all of them are Li-Ions, not Li-pos) are constantly monitored by safety chips on your device, specifically designed to control them and cut the power if something happens. And don't forget that the battery on your Laptop is designed and tested for your Laptop and your Laptop only. In contrast, RC batteries are "pure", the safety algorithms *should be* in the charger and the RC esc, but God knows if they are working correctly for your specific charger + battery combo, bought on Amazon from random sellers
@@kiiro712 It's very common for both laptops and phones to have lipos, multiple of my past smartphones had lipos, and the current macbook pros and airs use lipos.
What do these BMS' actually do besides make sure it does not get over charged or over discharged? Which is super easy to do manually for your own batteries
All those Lipo Guard bags are made by the same Chinese factory sold under different names
We have a video posting soon of all the main name brand bags going through the same tests.
Thanks a million for doing this. It's very helpful. Great job!
New lipo owner here, I respect them like any other battery. I'll keep them at a storage voltage if not using them in the next day or two. If I'm flying on the weekend I'll charge them friday night with supervision. Fire extinguisher far away/close enough. I like the idea of a lipo bag and an ammo can, too.
Thank you guys I really appreciate this video - I have been wondering which was the best by now I can see that thank you so much - going to get one of the Hobby mates today
As I said in a previous comment . I truly appreciate you guys taking the time and spending the money to test these different products . Of course the bag I got wasn’t tested though lol . That’s just my luck because I was curious to see how bags with the charging holes cut in the sides worked out . Either way , I think using the fuse was a good idea because it does simulate the flash of fire more consistent to a lipo battery going off . But I think you guys should have used more fuse . I think a fuse burning in a bag for a good 30/40 seconds or even up to a minute would have been a more comparable test to a lipo . But something tells me those bags would have been toast . There was a lot of damage done on a few of those bags with a very fast burn time . Maybe you guys can run a couple more tests with those extra bags using more fuse ? I would really like to see what a fuse burning for 30/40 seconds would do to one those bags
I'm seeing a lot of fire blowing out the sides so the question is - how do these tests perform in terms of duration? When a lipo blows is it over this quick? Because if a lipo blowing flares up for longer I can see it being a bigger problem
Thank you for sharing the testing
Super test! Thank you!!!
I have them inside a lipo bag and an old retired dish-washing machine! The only problem I have is direct sunlight. Temperatures rise almost up to 50 degrees Celsius in there, then.
I know this video is old and I apologize for posting so late but I wonder on the zipper ones like the hobbymate how much of the zipper failing is the fuse starting it melting as it burns through right there, maybe put the zipper pulls in the front under the flap?
20:13 I see a lot of flames shooting out, why exactly is this a good bag?
RandomHacks because it felt nice to hold...
Late answer:
The flame is from the fuse that was already outside, not from the inside fuse. So that doesn't count.
Nuovo No? The fuse that was outside and near the top burned before the flameout.
Because it’s okay if the flames ignite your wood floor as long as the bag looks good doing it.
@@bruhdabones you can see that it's a piece of fuse flying out, batteries don't burn like that
I picked up an old gym locker to use as a charging station and storage “room” for my batteries.
There is a lot of room inside so there is room to separate the batteries.
Is the lipo bag good to store a powerbank car jumper at the vehicle's trunk to prevent excessive heat from sunlight etc?
I just had a LIPO cell phone battery swell and ignite in my had after I took it off the carger that it came with (Batt only not in phone). It burns like a bucket of sparklers going off with lots of flame. It also burns for longer and growing in intensity than your fuse test. I'm not sure that any of these bags would actually hold up to a battery fire. Wow. I tried to stop the fire out since it caught my carpet on fire and it burned thru my shoe and I have 3rd degree burns on my toes with blackened burnt skin and skin that is falling off. VERY painful. I'm wondering if it was burned from flame or chemical. I have unplugged every battery tonight and looking for solutions that are safer I'm not sure these bags will hold up.
Thanks guys this is an eye opener
im intrested if the white fabric is actualy glassfibre or just plasticfibres ...
Thank you! I wana buy one of these soon and this is really helpful i really appreciate! These are ticking time bombs and I'm really scared of them catching fire in my house
What battery brand of LIPOs are the least likely to explode. Are there any industry ratings based on brand?
And the morel of this story is DON'T USE LIPO BAGS ! Use a metal container.
mmmm, mushrooms
Same here. I use one of these metal bullet cases.
@@CommonZense I use both lipo bag and ammo box
Yes, metal boxes are _much_ better, flying shrapnel from a hermetically sealed case is a lot safer 😁
@@CommonZense #metoo
Would it be wise to store all your batteries in one bag? If one goes off it could start a chain reaction.
That's what they talked about
So that hobby bag is large. so most will store more than 1 battery in that bag. So if of one goes what happens if you have 5 in that bag?
What of you got more batterys in a bage Will they explode to ?
Even if flames are contained, you still have highly toxic fumes bellowing out. I read you can get pulmonary oedema from them. One can run away to another room until the smoke has dispersed course, or try to quickly toss the LiPo container out. But will the smell go away at all afterwards? Or is the room where the "incident" happened doomed to be smokedamaged for ever?
Good job guys, keep it up :)
I use a metal ammo-case from the army to store and charge my lipo's in.
In the future our grandsons would laugh about how insecure and easy to brake battery use to be
xd xe break*
It is the best idea you gave me.thank you
What do you guys think about a military 50cal ammo box? Thank you for the video, very informative. Thumbs up on your video. 👍
would like to see a 6S 4000mAh battery and how these would last in those
I keep my batteries in the lipo bags and those are in ammo cans. Most don't realize if you use the ammo can you need to remove the rubber seal on the lid or the can could explode due to the sudden pressure of the battery ignition.
No need just leave the seal in and drill a vent hole in the lid. Put some insulation in the bottom and top of the box if you like.
I agree with some other comments that lipos usually burn longer than the test fuse your using
You missed the fire that shot out of the first black bag you said passed. I can't remember it's name but it was a failure not a pass. Thanks for the testing. I would rather use a metal tool box.
That would be the APEX Bag I totally agree it Failed❗
I put my lipos in individual bags and keep them in a sealed metal ammo box. I put most of my faith in the metal box. I figure the bags would tame down an explosion and maybe keep one from igniting each others. I hope I never find out for sure.
What happens if you have more than one lipo in there?
Any part 2 to this video?
Great video but I would like to seen a brand name bag , everything you used look like low end (cheap) products???
Check out round 2 of tests then!
ruclips.net/video/XuZ_ml0NR6c/видео.html
So lipo envelope bag inside of big lipo bag i side of an ammo can
So, did you test any lipos?
I stick mine in a cooking pot under the stove vent when charging. Or, sometimes in the garage.
this dont make sence because ur fuse only has a flame for like what 7 seconds a lipo battery fire would last like 2 minutes so next time try a real TEST!
@carson stirling I'm not the real nick eh the real one doesn't have mini in his name I'm just a miniature version of him
Lmao
What doesn't make any sense is your grammer.
@@BIGWIGGLE223 What makes even less sense is that you complain about someone else's grammar when yours is just as terrible.
BIG WIGGLE don’t be so hypocritical.
Thanks for the video. I have a question regarding the bigger bags for multiple batteries. Everything I have seen says never store lipo batteries together, so I got the individual bags. Is it ok to store multiple batteries in one bag? I am new to the RC car hobby world. Thanks
Bill Egan just good for thought, but if you store batteries together if you lose one you lose them all.
I’m surprised more you tubers haven’t made a video on this topic, so thanks for those people like me. Who likes to wing it on house insurance haha
For comparison you should have tested a steel ammo can with vent holes drilled.
Thank you this video really help me out cuz I got a giant 5200 milliamp 3s lipos and I don't want him to blow up in my bedroom
Your lipo sexually identifies as a male?
What batteries do you use
Seems that Velcro consistently didn't hold up (the stitching) and my first thought on this is that perhaps the thread used for this stitching was nylon? Velcro being a thicker material for sewing, generally regular thread is not used. While I think any stitching material will probably not hold up, nylon is going to burn easily.
I use the one that says Apex...although mine is branded by Horizon Hobby
I have the Derblue and I swear by them. I had an 6s go off while charging and nothing but the bag was damaged. When they’re new they’re stiff once they loosen up they seal more than enough to contain any fire. But not so much that it doesn’t let smoke out.
Would it be possible to store your Lipo in a Safety Bag that you put in a Metal box with Hepa Air Filters on the air exists so that if the LiPo explodes the safety bag prevents fire and the filters prevent your house from getting smoked up entirely?
Hepa filters are flammable but you could use a spark arrester for something like an ATV
I also would like to see you use the equivalent of a 6S 5000mAh battery like i have many of.
D.J. RC there’s no lipo bag that will hold back that explosion.
ItchyPrince 379 I agree!
Awesome & Thanks :)
I have actually see one of these bags thrown on a firepit for 15 mins and the bag didn't even have a burn mark on it! However if your like me with multiple lipos and definitely sizes s I think compartments so each compartment should keep another lipo safe
Every LiPo pack(3 cell) fire i have seen lasts for at least an intense 15 seconds .
Doesn't look good for any of those bags!
They all are ejecting flames. Except the cubical one with the zipper. The most critical feature of the test would be to ensure flames are contained inside the vessel. Hobbymate all the way!!
Problem with the bags is if you store more than one battery and one ignites I don’t think they will hold up.
I like destructive testing. I would like to see this experiment done in the dark. That would be more interesting seeing how big the flames are shooting out of those bags.
You would sponsor that testing?
how many times you burn your finger doing this?
Good tests but what about the size of battery and capacity??
Would you please do another group of bags .... Include a colecase lipo bag.... Maybe a mr steele lipo bag.... Oooh honeycomb design could be key
Military ammo boxes make excellent lipo canisters for charging.
Perhaps I missed it, but what capacity and voltage were the batteries? In the surface RC world, it's common to see 5000mah or higher and those can destroy these bags, unfortunately.
Just due to the cost of burning up 20 or so batteries we had to do a little abstraction; we cover this at about 1:45. Rather than destroying batteries, and releasing all those toxins into the air, we used a cannon fuse analog. After some calculations we found that 6ft of cannon fuse is roughly equivalent to a 1300 mah 2-cell battery. For consistency all of these tests were conducted with a 6ft strand wrapped into a 4in bundle.
We realize that with greater capacities, and more cells, there will be significantly more energy being released but felt that the cannon fuse analog we used gave us a good opportunity to see which bags held up the best. You are absolutely correct that none of these will fully contain a large capacity battery. The bad news is that these bags are marketed in such a way that many people, especially people newer to the hobby, feel that these bags will keep them completely safe. Still, it is better to have some protection than no protection and these do provide that.
So how do you store your batteries? Any good advice you can provide to the community? We are planning on a round two here soon and would love to include your suggestions.
Any lipo is going to react for a much longer time at a higher temp than the fuse you tested with. Lithium stored a LOT of energy that I don’t think this test is being true to.
@@daave3 Agree, I would suggest they parallel the cannon fuse with an M-80 (standard firework). You can purchase them for testing. They used to sell them at fireworks stores. But since LIPO's can explode 3+ times or once for each cell, you need to have 3 fused M-80's that go off in about 30 second intervals along with keeping the cannon fuse going for longer. This would be a very doable test and represent the nasty LIPO flame discharge rate.
Lipo storage, large ex military rocket launch box, base lined with 2-3" sand, stood on a metal base raised off the floor slightly. Probably better stood on heat bricks but a bit unsightly in the mother-in-law's room.... !
Thank you. after seeing this video, and seeing LiPO fires, I'm not sure their fire source is sufficient to emulate a real LiPO fire in ferocity or length of burn.
It isn’t.
“sitting here with my 7600 mah battery”
-Me 2019
I have a 5000mah 4s and a 6000mah 6s Battery...
Well i have my 26000 diy battery here no bag 🤫
Jessy Terpoorten hows that goin for ya?
Nothing its a 10 p 1 s
If you know what youre dowing its safe 😇
Jessy Terpoorten do you power your car with that? 🤣
Just bought the hobbymate based on your tests. I only have nimh batteries but they are all a risk. The Apex bag was really bad. A zip looks to be a must. Thanks for all your hard work making this video, i know that must have cost you a fortune. Stay safe guys.
They have another one on Amazon with a zipper AND the pouch velcro in front. That way if the zipper fails at least the velcro should keep everything shut for enough time.
The way these 2 guys talk to each other reminds me of the 2 guys near the beginning of Friday The 13th part 6 (Jason Lives) who were playing paint ball.
If you want a laugh check that scene out!
Anyway, very interesting video.
I would like to know more than one battery
Would have preferred if you tested 5 best selling bags with 20seconds sustained fire
So some might be good for one cell going bad... Totally useless... Where do I hide my 12s12p?
More than one battery in a bag when it goes off what would happen just like everybody else even though you propped you know you shouldn't overfill your bag a lot of us still do so will it hold up to a couple batteries going off I really highly doubt that would be awesome if you could do that on some of the oppressing bags at did a good job with just one thank you guys for all your content I enjoy watching you guys
I think it would be important to mention what battery is used in the bag. a 6 -8 cell lipo is much different from a 2-3 cell.
they didnt use any batteries but i know now not to store my canon fuse in a lipo bag.
Does that chord have it's own oxidiser?
It seems like you are comparing apples to oranges.
These tests would be a little more empirical if you were using LiPo batteries.
It's all about the safety 👌
What if you stuck a bag in a bag
I store all my lips batteries in a old military ammo can
I've heard ammo cans work great. The guy at the hobby shop told me to drill a small hole in the top for ventilation. I would think any hole would promote flames shooting out though.
I've heard ammo cans work great. The guy at the hobby shop told me to drill a small hole in the top for ventilation. I would think any hole would promote flames shooting out though.
Ammo cans for sure, agree remove seals in addition line the bottom with sand and seal over this with duck tape, purely to stop sand getting in your sandwiches....
I like the ammo can idea it totally makes sense .
What happens if you have three or four batteries in one bag ..huh....
You said the first black bag was good, it had 3 ft flames coming out the sides
Are these bags intended to just store 1 lipo battery? Is it good practice to store 1 lipo batt per bag/container?
It's much better to store one battery per bag because if one battery caught fire, all the other batteries in the bag would catch fire too and the bag probably wouldn't hold up.
It depends on the bag actually. That is why we linked to each bag we did. we have some more we will be doing soon so stay tuned. several multi battery bags.
What's the combustible inside the bag?
What size battery did you guys use? mah and cell count? thanks
Serenity17 they didn’t use actual batteries, they used a wad of cannon fuse
Haha I also transit from r6 to fpv😂 have fun flying!
What about Apex? You said it exceeded your expectations during the testing and the Hobbymate you said didn’t do well because zipper didn’t contain the fire.
Seems like the bags with the inner flaps prevent the sparks and initial burst from finding the easy way out. Id be curious to see how likely it is when the bags that dont seal completely up top, eject enough heat to set sawdust or newspaper alight.
And not for nothing but just an observation for the envelope style tests failing at the zippers. You in effect have heated that area twice with the fuse and then the explosion. Id imagine you compromised the stitches going in, and blew them out while still hot. I wonder if you might have a more comprehensive result if you triggered the failure from inside only.
Thanks for the testing regardless, im a new hobbyist and an old man that had NO idea these batteries were capable of catastrophic failure like this. I kept my batteries in a wooden cabinet with paints and solvents out in the garage and didn’t give it a second thought until I happened across a suggested purchase while looking for rc parts on Amazon, and then found this post.
Again thanks for the information and the testing..subbed
excellent video, you might well have saved somebody
i just ordered one for my drone batteries. anbee makes god balllistic cases so i hope this one is competent lol.
Larger bags that are being sold are practically useless, really. They have inadequate protection for the capacity they are intended to carry.
Where is part 2?
There is a link in several comments. And in the description.
I charge my lipos in a more expensive box type bag from AMain Hobbies. I store them in a Military Ammo can. I keep a fire extinguisher right beside the charging area and would never walk away.
NEVER EVER??
@@BIGWIGGLE223 he is full of shite.
I wish someone would test putting one bag (with a flap) into another, bigger bag (with the flap on the other side).
You liked the apex bag but it had flames coming out the sides .same as the bag after it and you pointed that out and didn't like it ??. And one bag shot a cunk of flame into the hedge by your camera. And you liked it .
It seems like you guys tested the same bag numerous times some with the just different names on them
The problem with these tests at that you didn't use actual battery packs, BUT it would've been very hard to induce a failure without inducing a failure in the bag as well, and not to mention just how expensive it would've been to destroy a bunch of perfectly good battery packs. I think a lot of the failures could be chalked up to the fuse cord being ran outside of the bags, but what else could you have done? Maybe light them and then thrown em in the bag??? Lol! Not a good idea. You could've remotely set them off. Maybe used some rocket ignitors or even used rocket motors themselves for the testing. I'd like to hear what ideas you guys spitballed before landing on the cannon fuse.
I allways put lipo in a small bag first then place in a larger one after haveing a lipo fire I allways use two bags
A piece of cannonfuse is comparable to a 1300 mah lithium fire? I would like to see how that was tested! And what about the way more popular 3400 mah lithiums ? :-))
Then why use lipos
Excellent information and testing, im going to share a link to this, more people need to see it. A lipo would burn longer but this video gives a good indication on a smaller scale as to the outcome.
What do u mean this comparison sucked! These were all the same cheap Chinese ali express bags.
iPhones use LiPo batteries and i’ve used my iPhone 4 for 7 years now and it’s still running fine and I really don’t know how to set it on fire cuz i’m planning to buy a new phone lol
Hey guys, the Apex lipo container ALSO blew fire.
You should have lit the fuse with no bag to compare damages