Mortal Kombat 1's EVO Numbers Are Shambolic, Embarrassing & Well Deserved
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- EVO released the entrants for each of their main games at EVO this year and Mortal Kombat (one of the big three) sat at second to last, beaten by a game 25 years older than it, an anime fighting game with almost no budget and another anime fighter which a niche audience, amongst others. Today we discuss.
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its crazy how MK fell off so hard that u have anime fighters like Granblue and Unis that are more niche have bigger entry numbers than MK
It's truly a Shambolic state of affairs ☠️
MK games never really got super high numbers are Evo regardless. MK11 had already fallen to 600 participants 3 years into its life. Japanese fighting games are just way bigger in the competitive space
@@ADreamingTravelermk11 wasnt well received game either, evo 2015 mkx had 1100 participants, it was still lower than sf and smash but beat tekken 7 by over 600 entries
@@ADreamingTraveleryou’re just wrong lol MK11 and MKX did so much better than MK1 did, admit the facts and stop the cope.
Third Strike having higher numbers than MK1 makes me laugh a bit inside.
Im sad for kof but i understand that most kof players are asian or latin and is mad hard to travel
Plus new fatal fury is right around the corner so their probably waiting. Same thing last year with MK11 and it's numbers
I love KOF. I hate 15. I really wish that they hadn't moved to the auto combo system. I don't mind if other people have them I just don't want to be forced into them. I play KOF 13 and CVS2 everyday. I hate playing 15.
@@Fromchaostheory I got KOF 15 and just stopped playing it the moment I realize you need two controllers to use practice mode. Like.. what?
@@FromchaostheoryI rly like kof15 but i completely understand you. Also absolutely incredible taste with Xiii and Cvs2, Cvs2 being my favorite Fg of all time.
@@Fromchaostheorylol
Why is MK1 even there at this point? They should’ve had Dragon Ball FighterZ to build hype for Sparking Zero.
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$$$ talks
Or to pay the proper respect to Toriyama
I'm just gonna assume the DBZ World Tour took way too long to confirm before EVO.
They could’ve brought MK11 there tbh, it has more active players than mk1 lol
How to save MK1 to do list:
- Add a proper buffer for the strings (like all well designed fighting games do)
- Stop fully changing the fighters movelist every game.
- Give the characters a deeper and more consistent personality, visible during play, not only in cutscenes, and not just gimmics.
- Make real quality assurance before patching.
- Invest more in the community and the competitive scene, not only in monetization campaigns.
Honestly, THIS. I started with NRS games and it felt fine. I played SF6 and Tekken 8 and when I go back to MK1 the inputs for buttons and specials feels...off, like I have to manually time everything in a combo (except for the dial-in strings). Also, the constant changing of inputs for moves is really annoying. Like, a character from one game to the next can have completely different move lists apart from a few special moves. I want to have some consistent buttons and inputs please😭
Real. The way that characters are completely changed every single game is actually so frustrating. When I was mainly an nrs player I thought it was fine but switching over to mainly anime games has made me realize how shity it is.
what does it mean by proper buffer for string?
@@ghhdgjjfjjggj Might be talking about the "dial-a-combos" where you have to put in the entire strings in quick successions or they just won't come out
Don't understand why they keep changing the move sets. I took my niece and nephew to CEO and when they saw Mileena in top 8 they were expecting some command throws. Unfortunately she doesn't have one any more. Part of what I love about Tekken is that all the moves I learned way back in Tekken 2 still work. Sure, Paul has new stuff, my old combos STILL work. it helps when picking up sequels that I don't have to completely relearn the character to have some fun.
“MK players register late” 😂
What happened to that lie…I mean narrative?
the amount of excuses MK fans come up with to cope at the fact that the game is dying is hilarious 🤣
Yeah they’re delusional , tbh it’s a toxic community believe it or not it is what it is
That one always made me laugh 😂 I dunno why they would lie. Is NRS paying the bills or something?
@@RealMikeHollow NRS is definitely paying some bills lol
@@RealMikeHollow Tom Brady confirmed pretty much it.
First EVO appearance and MK gets washed by 2 anime games, dinosaur ass 3rd Strike and looking absolutely next to Tekken 8 in it's first EVO appearance.
I don't think there is any saving that game. Not with MVC Collection right around the corner to reclaim it's throne as THE tag assist game.
At CEO which is the tournament I went to for Smash Ultimate, it was being beaten out by Mario Kart and Brawlhalla. It's honestly kind of crazy how far MK1 has fallen
@@Ultima64 There is a lot of different factors that's put MK where it is today but I'll say trying to sell on a violence alone has caught up to MK by neglecting to lock down a gameplay identity instead of gimmick of the week.
Like who is this even for when you arbitrarily change stuff like the input for Scorpion spear every game. It's not unique. It's not making the game better and only serves to piss people off especially the casual Joe who grew up back in the day and just wants to mash around on a new MK.
It's embarrassing knowing a SF game from the late 1990s has more numbers than a modern Mortal Kombat game
yeah, its sad, mk11 have the same or more players activity as mk1, sad
Mortal Kombat was always a gonna be a novelty product. Even at his best moment, when 2 hit arcades, it never had more players than other more established FG IPs. By the time 4 came out they were gasping at straws. If it wasn't for the revival that 9 caused MK would've been a relic of the past only milenials cared about.
@@calmfog312 it is smh
@Nightmaroid I agree. MK2 is my favorite game in the franchise, loved MK4 even though it wasn't well received. But MK9 was a life saver for real
Depends how you look at it. Some older games are simply just too legendary. But I get your point.
FYI: Mortal Kombat is not banned in Japan, just not localized. By that logic, Mother 3 is banned in the west lol.
it is lmao, Mortal Kombat has been banned in Japan since 1997 due to its violent content. While it is not officially sold in Japan, fans can import the game from other regions or use VPNs to access it...
@@DieHard1912source?
I live in Japan. IT IS BANNED.
Strop talking out of your buttocks.
@@DieHard1912 not true. MK is not officially banned it just can't be sold there due to the Japanese rating system. They did introduce their own AO rating equivalent later on and MK can be sold there under that rating (only the PC version though) but WB Games just don't want to bother due to the franchise's lack of popularity there.
Mortal Kombat being banned due to its violent content would be ironic as hell, seeing as how a game like Resident Evil known for its horror, graphic and violent content came out of Japan.
Sadly for KOF, most Americans already quit and moved on from it, most of its players are from Asia and latin America and most of them cant afford to travel to Evo. Even Evo Japan had a higher KoF number due to its regional advantage. This will likely be KOF's last year at Evo and City of the Wolves will replace it next year.
MK1's numbers are pretty embarassing though for a new game.
Kof is not a very good series to begin with...it is not well balanced and a handful characters are better than the rest of the cast...facts are facts...it is like the roster seems so huge but when it comes down to who you will be picking...you have a problem...as it will always be the same three characters...
@@remarkableputter6622 balance is not the factor that decides a game success on competitive. Just look at 3rd strike, its filles of Chun-li and Yun, we can even argue that is even more broken than MK1 but still has a lot of attendants. Facts are facts
Idk why mk players have NO standards or self-respect. If I were a competitor, I would be making WAY more of a fuss about this garbage. Not even a game, just garbage.
18:10 cuz mk11 is an actual game. Mk1 is just a joke compared. (Which was the consensus for mkx to mk11, why do they keep dumbing down the games)
@@toobad111 MK11 actually sucked. It had a ton of great content but gameplay it was not as good as 9 or 10.
Those defense tweets just tell me the NRS competitive community both have low standards for offline attendance and growth while having crazy high standards for what they need to make an offline tourney worth their while ($$$). I dont even think the idea of Kameos is bad...i think it's just implemented poorly because NRS added them without considering other necessary mechanics that tend to come with assists in other games. It is such a promising game that was released too early and the dev team is either poorly equipped to assess what needs changing, or they are just prioritizing the wrong things.
At this point, i think NRS should stop focusing so much on competitive tourney play and balance since they are so bad at it, and just go all in on putting focus into making fun casual content. Mkone might be their worst game for casual content in over two decades since maybe Deadly Alliance or the arcade days of MK4, and thats a bad tradeoff when this game's competitive 1v1 side is no good either. Why focus on hardcore competitors when it isnt resulting in more views on social media or more attendance in tourneys? The ROI is super low for promoting competitive MK. Just make the game fun and give people reasons to play.
I think the game feels like a injustice game slow af. Also no krypt is a no go for me that was my favorite mode. Also kameos are lame what if they just let you run and do cool combos like mkx instead of some Garbo kameo system
Having less tourament viable characters means they spend less on training mode to learn MU,most evo player play EVO to win,not for fun
Datdude, MK11/injust progression, and Crypt - is a biggest Cancer in a videogame history. Litterally, even the worse gacha-game like genshin or MMO games - is less cancer than MK))
@@fdnfdnasd7714 explain that to me? I put zero money into the game was able to explore a completely different world. Solved puzzles unlocked new gear and through that I became interested in online play which led me to play and get the highest ranks? I'm failing to see the downsides but I also don't know everything.
@@datdude15 the reason why crypt is bad, because it a game mode which is not optional.
I explain. When i want play in fighting game, i want play in 1 vs 1 duel, not in "walking simulator with gacha lootboxes" with gameplay quality equal unity game created by student.
Most fighting games have some optional game modes, like tekken bowl, or tekken ball, but you no need to play it, if you don't like it. But in MK, devs closed game content behind crypt, and if you want unlock fatalities, poses, brutality etc, you Must play in crypt and spent your time, which you can spent just playing in regular fights. And if you only want to play 1vs1, and have a uncutted game (with all fat/brut), devs push you to pay. Or spent many hours in very cheap game mode with silly gacha-gameplay.
Mike I don’t know if you will read this. Why won’t the commentators, pro players, and large content creators say that this game is bad? Why will they go and come up with every other excuse (not sold in Asia, very casual, players sign up later, it’s the community’s fault, and everything in between)? Who are they afraid of? NRS AND WB DON’T GIVE AF ABOUT THEM! Why do people believe this game is good. It sucks. Plain and simply and it’s the reason people aren’t going.
It's either because they want to stay in NRS good graces or they're very young and feel the need to protect it. I remember in school when we had the PS3 Vs Xbox 360 wars and we would proper defend PS3 against Xbox like they paid us 😂 I can only assume the people doing this are very young or wanting to be buddy buddy with NRS cos they're just lying and making excuses.
@@RealMikeHollow that’s tragic because if they are content creators trying to grow their channels you would think that they would want their game to be better and not painful to watch or play so their channels can continue to grow no? I do see what you are saying however with the buddy system with NRS.
@@RealMikeHollow or maybe some people actually enjoy playing it ?
I mean, so many mid games gain a decent following even years after they release, like fallout 76 for example is still played by a good amount of players despite it's horrible launch, so it's really not that surprising that a game like MK1 has a dedicated playerbase despite it's flaws. I mean, that's kinda why the category "it's so bad it's good" exists. Some people just don't care about the overall quality or reputation of a game and simply cares about having a good time, doesn't have anything to do with age or staying in NRS good graces.
That's my opinion tho, feel free to ignore, I'm just a random who got recommended this video for some reason 🤷♂️
@@star-rock6466 Thats Admirable, and its not like MK is Horrible, just Meh, Not somthing id play tho, only play games rarley
I was born in 94.
I AM the target demographic for MK, and I don't say that without support; my mom didn't care about the violence and got me those games when I was 5. I dressed up as Scorpion for Halloween. In fact, the very words "I WANNA BE SCORPION FOR HALLOWEEN" are engraved in my memory from childhood. I bought EVERY MK game short of mythologies, from MK 1-3 to MK4 on Nintendo 64 to MK 5-7 on PS2 and every that crappy MK vs DC which technically counted as 8 right up to MK9, my beloved. I was a lifelong fan.
MKX was the first time I felt that the series was veering off course, at least tonally and design wise.
Then MK11 happened... Jesus, f--- MK11.
That was the game that made me, as a lifelong fan, discard the franchise. I had since become a Street Fighter man and also just generally had a love for Fighting Games as a genre; not a pro player or anything but I appreciate the mechanics, art, characters and worlds they create. My loyalty to MK wasn't necessary. But it still HURT knowing the franchise I grew up with was effectivelt something else entirely.
... Then MK1 happened.
The depression phase is over, I'm in my revenge phase. This franchise and its current devs deserve every L they get hit with and I am not sorry for any of them. They earned this.
This has potential to be interesting and heartfelt. Mind explaining how you think MKX, 11 and 1 veered off the course? I don't mind wall of texts...
Keep crying lmaooo
@hotcoldman77
Be condescending all you want, it's not going to save your games abysmal numbers.
@ChrisX_212
Sure thing. I will give a more condensed version (very funny coming from me as you will soon see) because I am at work right now so I apologize for lack of more in depth details because trust me I have more to say on a lot of this.
With MKX it wasn't really any problems with the gameplay. More just the graphics, lighting, some of the character designs and models. I could tell it was retreading MK4's story but tonally it just felt off. Having the story focus hard on the Cage family felt kinda weird and awkward; highlighted their weaknesses as writers. A lot of the fatalities and gore had some awkward presentation such as Kung Lao's fatalities or the X-Ray moves generally not having any bone breaks occurring within the arms or legs. Stuff like that. MKX, I would argue, was still a great game, they just missed the mark on presentation.
MK11 was where those little nags about MKX's story came to fruition and a lot of the storytelling just had bad pacing, focus and direction. New characters were introduced that were pretty unlikable, there it continued the trend of killing off characters just to try and create shock value, then immediately invalidated that by having the whole universe reset, many story beats just weren't landing, etc. The currencies were a big problem and the grind for things like Hearts at the beginning of the game utterly crippled my interest in continuing to play and having AI farm them for me just disengaged me from the gameplay itself. The meta was obnoxiously projectile focused, a growing issue with the games and something I first began noticing with Injustice 1 so I wasn't really having fun online either. The DLC was cool but short sighted, contributing to that projectile issue. Changes to characters like my man Scorpion weren't appreciated and I was beginning to become frustrated with how the games never had consistent movesets between games unlike the PS2 and original trilogies. Fan favorite characters were missing. Redesigns such as Sheeva or the classic ninja girls obviously had DEI influence (this was a thing even back then, it was just more covert) and I had a pretty bad taste in my mouth after the dev's response to fans was to call us perverted creeps for thinking the designs weren't outdated AKA the whole "bikini" thing was predicated on this stupid idea that the women were being sexualized when in reality everyone from old Outworld and Edenia generally wore little clothing and exposed a lot of skin, men included (Goro, Reiko, Shao Kahn, etc) so anyone who just liked those costumes due to familiarity or because of immersive reasons just got insulted for no good reason. The Krypt was a good concept on paper ruined by grinding and needless scavenger hunts. Still no minigames, proper Conquest Mode, or Character Creator even though this game was evoking the PS2 era games. The game was following the trend of "free super moves" which turned the latter half of every round into a slow paced "will they/won't they" scenario which affected tournament play as well. The Gear System which they carried over from Injustice 2 was very unwelcome in my opinion and I didn't like the act of having to pick and choose between my favorite iconic moves.. just.. I disliked a LOT of things about MK11. I even had a problem with the Fatalities just because where games before MKX were a healthy mixed of "Funny", "Stylish" and "Grossout" Fatalities the ones in MK11 were by and large mostly in the Grossout category. They simply were pushing it for the sake of pushing it. I wanted less Fatalities like the Geras "Wall Rip" and mote Fatalities like Scorpion's "Chain Bisection".
And most of those criticisms carried straight over into MK1. In fact, the most insulting part about MK1 is the fact that it was Netherrealm's chance to MAKE AMENDS with the fans they turned off with MK11. But while the story started out okay, it quickly dissolved into a complete mess with many retcons and rewrites that I fundamentally disagree with. Just one example, but Mileena's whole character even existing made no sense anymore, then "Tarkat" being a disease now which she is inflicted with and can pretty much randomly control at will by the end of the story making prior self control arcs pointless and her whole princess subplot ultimately amounting to nothing, I thought they did Mileena INCREDIBLY dirty in their attempts to rewrite her. Of course, there is Shao Kahn too; once a genuine menace and actual evil mastermind with the added factor of being hideously strong now reduced to someone who can get canned by any regular cast member and no longer even retains the name of Shao Kahn. I could level similar criticisms about a lot of characters from the last two games in fact, Kotal Kahn ironically being another character done CONSISTENTLY dirty. Meanwhile, the story had the gall to evoke Armageddon directly but still didn't have ANY of the elements from MK Armageddon that people loved, SUCH AS CONQUEST AND CHARACTER CREATOR (I am not going to count Invasion Mode. Let's be real, everyone hates it). And what really drove this particular nail in the coffin for me was the fact that Street Fighter 6... F---ing STREET FIGHTER did a better job at capturing those modes than Mortal Kombat did.
I have a lot more to say, but it's honestly hard to REMEMBER it all. I'm definitely not saying games like the PS2 era titles were perfect, but what I am saying is that these newer games miss the heart and soul of what made people from the 90's and 2000's fall in love with this franchise; the atmosphere, the music, the world, the character designs... ALL OF IT is gone at this point. When you actually stop and LOOK at MK1... I mean, imagine showing this game to someone from those eras. It doesn't even look like the same game. Would they recognize it? Personally, I don't think they would.
The reason I have hated these last two games so much is because they don't feel at all like Mortal Kombat games tonally or otherwise. They feel like a Mortal Kombat spinoff franchise or fan fic.
If you really want to understand what I am talking about, I recommend playing Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks and just absorbing the world of that game, because it is everything these games are missing. It isn't a fighting game, but it encapsulates everything I wish they would bring back.
@@Impalingthorn What abysmal numbers? EVO numbers? An event for the niche anime weaboo geeks? HAHAHHAHA! Keep deceiving yourself like MK was going to be any important in this event smh
Mkx is the peak of modern mk games and the most competitive easily
trueeeeeee
trueeeeeee x2
MK competitive scene has never been big idk why people think this is new. Scene is not big because who wants to compete seriously when they make a new game every two years and completely overhaul the gameplay. Imagine tryna be an NFL player and after your second season you have to play rugby. But I do have to say most who have never played the game criticizing it have no idea what they are talking about and largely focus on the wrong things.
Your last sentence is why I wanna get the game before I just start criticizing it, I’m sure peoples complaints are understandable but I can’t say the game is bad or anything before I actually play
You made a really good point, the game feel rushed and incomplete, WB after every New game looks more greedy, there is lack of content, and not a a biggest fan of the kameo System, but even with many problems, the game still fun and in general the gameplay is really good!
When I lived in Japan, I seen MKX being sold in stores...
Was there more you wanted to say with the triple dots? Im out of the loop with mk since mk11.
@@Blooddiamonds188 Ah yeah sorry I got called away to do something. What I was gonna say was, I seen it being sold there and I don't remember MKX ever having a scene in Japan, so the whole argument falls flat.
@@NarcoticDimension ah ok. Ty sir.
Apparently it's not localised but it is sold over there which gives even less validity to their arguments.
@@RealMikeHollow ah right, yeah makes sense.
……because Japanese fighting games are way better than western fighting games. MK has amazing theatrics, but gameplay is its weak point. Characters intros, arcade endings, the single modes are great for casuals. That’s who plays it the most.
Yeah. I enjoyed playing through the campaign (except for the last bit where they butcher the whole idea of starting over), i had some fun in ranked for a while, but most other fighting games just demolish it. If i want to play MK, i just download MKX, because there is no reason not to play that instead.
Sad thing is that MK has simply walked backwards. MK9 and MKX felt so feature-rich, fun to play and were super active and well-liked by the FGC. There's a reason that serious players prefer to opt into those two games instead of 11 and 1. They just plain suck to play and have jack all to do.
@@hinoramei7733 I love the time towers in mk11. Can’t stand the Krypt though. A store with a grind? It’s terrible. Story is ok. Customization could be better.
@@yundadoom it's crazy to me how it feels like NRS decided to just double down on the worst aspects of MK11 and then add in a mandatory tag-assist style system from the bones of a game that was probably supposed to be Injustice 3. WB should have just backed up completing IJ3, and then pushed for a new MK game. It really is all just so half-baked.
MKX the most goated fighter of all time though then SF3 and 4 Tekken 7 and DBZ Budokai 3
Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising really does deserve that spot in 4th place, I actually prefer it to GGS but both are very good games.
Strive is just bad guilty gear
Granblue Is just more fun ... GGS is barely a Guilty gear Game, I don't really get what they were going for
I too prefer granblue, but i dont think its better than strive, its got some pretty bad balance issues(nier).
@mauricioaguilera3194 maybe its not the same as the other guilty gears, and i do prefer xrd but i think strive is a great game still, what makes u think its bad?
Finn, but strive is not bad as game in general)
Just the whole approach to mk’s artistic presentation goes contrary to the popular tastes of Japan. People there are playing Mario odyssey and gacha games, they don’t care to see homelander get gored by Johnny cage.
They called me crazy when I said mk1 was even worse than mk11.. Mkxl and mk9 are the best mk we will ever have
MK1 is the call of duty/battlefield of fighting games right now absolute shells of their former shells by a long shot
Which is crazy because the games have been mid since umk trilogy , that game was peak mk
okay, the smiles in the thumbnails are uncanny. God it's so weird to see Ryu smile!
😂😂😂
Ahh... good times 😂. Your MK bashing is what brought me into your channel. I hope MK bounces back with their next release
Like the good ol' days 😂
@@RealMikeHollow
when you say good ol days, what do you mean, like MKX ? really hope not because mkX is a bad game.
@@ottosantiagolassus nah, he meant when he originally found my videos, but I enjoyed MKX. A lot of fun.
@@RealMikeHollow
is fun 100% but its way too broken for my taste. too.many 1 touch death combos
@ottosantiagolassus that was the first MK game I got so I can't really speak much on it due to nostalgia but I do prefer it over MK11
why do people say there’s just a big two ? it’s time to accept that strive took that spot from MK
How big is Strive in comparison to SF and Tekken though? I don't know much about GG's overall scope.
Your last statement is what I predict. I think MK1 is the MVCi of the series. After EVO I can see people dropping that game at it's majors and I definitely see it being left out of EVO next year for sure.
I want to put this out there as well.
Before COVID the original line up for EVO 2020 was: Under Night In Birth, Samurai Showdown, Dragonball Fighterz, Streetfighter 5, Tekken 7, Granblue Fantasy Versus, Soul Calibur 6, and they were gonna do a Tournament Of Champions which ended up being Marvel 2 I think. MK11 only returned because of COVID and it's access to Rollback Netcode so EVO Online needed functional games and MK11 was utilised for this.
In today's time all those other games such as StreetFighter 6 and Tekken 8 have rollback so what do you wanna bet MK doesn't make it next year at EVO. Those other fighting games have caught up so it doesn't have anything special holding it up now so we will see what happens.
Great video Mike Hollow.
Just so it's clear. Originally MK11 was gonna be dropped after it's 1st year at EVO but people forgot about it because of COVID.
I think after this EVO they'll drop MK. They would have to overhaul the game so dramatically to make it but I actually think it's done until the new NRS game.
I think we'll get DBFZ back next year. Depends how well community goes especially if it has higher numbers than a main stage title.
Thank you, sir ☝🏾
Mvci was hated day one, their was actual hype for mk1 but that all went down the drain after the game launched
M1K, after being let down by MK11, launched broken and incomplete with a gimmick no one asked for. Ten months later, M1K is still broken and incomplete with a gimmick no one asked for. Everything bad since then has followed suit, such as low sign ups, and deservedly so. When do we stop giving them excuses for failing their customers?
I have quite literally never been apart of a community that will do everything in its power to come up with every other excuse as to why this game is failing the way that it is. Mr Aquaman (really bad commentator for this game) said that it’s the community’s fault that people are “all talk no show” as to why this game has bad numbers. We have absolute morons as figureheads who refuse to believe that the reasons the numbers are like this is because the game is bad.
You have to realise the fgc is full of lazy hacks, in and out of the game , it’s a broke boy industry so they will shill and tier whore like no tomorrow
Why this game fails.
1. Barely any modes.
2. Base game sucks, trying to be something its not.
3. Unbalanced roster( Same shells and Kameos)
4. Broken patches.
5. Hype died down, propped up by fanboys.
6. The game is slow, it wants to be a guest game, assist spammer.
7. Better fighters are out and or coming.
Also the mtx added in the game
What gets me about the MK community is that it’ll act shameless and peacock about like it belongs but then when people rightfully question or mock the state of MK nowadays compared to either its glory in the 90’s or the MK9/X resuregnce, it’s siege mentality and acting like MK is being unfairly picked on.
It’s like music stans crowing about stream numbers but then go into meltdowns whenever said Stream mongers get shat on.
Another valid reason why fans of NRS games don't show up for the games -- and I think Maximilian -Dood touched on this with his argument about both NRS and SNK game low numbers -- is that the fans have been conditioned to expect a new game iteration regularly. So even if a game is good, but especially when it's bad, fans tend to drop the game to wait for the new game coming sooner-than-later. This could also explain why KOF15 numbers are down bad despite it being a good game (needs better netcode, tho). SNK has already shown that their next big focus is Garou and fans have already started to just wait for the next game instead of continuing KOF15. MK1 is heavily flawed competitive-wise (that Johnny Cage x Peacemaker fest of a Final Kombat did not do this game any favors...) and content-wise. So, a lot of the NRS fans just decided to drop the game and wait for the inevitable new game coming sooner-than-later.
Speaking from experience as a former small tournament organiser, people just love Capcom/street fighter man.
This was a really good video, and I am happy you put it out there. Hopefully it can get some recognition so any powers that be, or even the community themselves, can finally get together and take this dilemma more seriously overall.
After this video and other videos went up giving fair criticisms on MK and the situation, people took to twitter to make even more excuses for the game... Which I'll be covering later today.
MK1 got the Sweet Baby Death Kiss
Janet Cage confirmed their involvement in this crap. If it wasn't that, then it was Tanya's plastered face.
Cool, ignore all the games they were involved with that were super successful which is more than half. The gameplay and tournament marketing has nothing with your culture wars, it's the designers and publishers fault.
@jordanwhite352 Sweet Baby Inc has continued to ruin more and more games. Don't defend them. They're getting what they deserve.
@jordanwhite352 They aren't even THAT involved in developing the games. They are talentless extortionist writers bent on destroying and not creating original ideas. Cope with that.
@@spectreshot8536 Every Game that I've seen with sweet baby inks involvement that has actually failed had issues with the actual game developers fucking up their own gameplay internally as well as bad business decisions such as monetization can probably shows and adding fucking pronouns to their characters. And there are other games that add pronouns to their characters and they're also more quote" woke and they sell a bajillion copies. Fuck you're the same morons where when they re-released 1000-year-old door they actually made it even more accurate to the original Japanese source and you guys acted like it was woke garbage. So do you like so-called anti-woke Japanese stuff or do you like The source material which is super Japanese pick 1. This is why no one can take you guys seriously. We have a real issues going on in the video game industry such as the lack of unions, the overworkness, the rushing of games, the closing of studios, microtransactions, live service, mistreatment of customers ECT. And all you guys focus are fucking pronouns. You guys are getting what you deserve. You guys bought all that horse armor during elder scrolls and now we have all of this shit.
One of the big reasons for mks downfall, especially in the competitive scene, is NRS likes to add things like invasions, extensive story modes, gimmicks and guest characters as the focus for the longevity of their game and game mechanics second. While SF and Tekken say we’re gonna focus on game mechanics first, then we bring in gimmicky things. Also as a Miami man and a heat fan I take some offense to that dude calling us bad fans. Glazing someone’s asshole and never being negative makes you a simp not a fan
Exactly. It's always good to offer constructive criticism if it's glaring and obvious. There's no point in just glazing someone.
WB ruined my favorite fighting game, they believe getting out of bankruptcy is short changing their base...I loved when MIDWAY had the rights
NRS doesn’t care about EVO… so as long as people still buy the content it doesn’t matter. Their profit out weighs the need to care for pro competition or longevity numbers of the game
I've played NRS games for 2 decades now and MK1 has been quite a sad affair. MK11 was a flawed game for sure but no matter what, it still retained the appeal of a Mortal Kombat game. It was fun and bloody, it didn't take itself too seriously, and had at least for an MK game interesting mechanics. MK1 decided to go with assist characters for this rendition which I enjoy as a concept but the execution has been poor. Game balance has been shit since the beta and will remain that way for the foreseeable future. They've also completely lost the vision of being a game that pushes the envelope with MK1 being their most safe and vanilla attempt at an MK game. Then there's the actual launch of the game, which was so rushed that half of the gameplay features already implemented in MK11 and earlier games still haven't been added back in yet (we are coming close to 1 year since launch and still no online practice mode). The vibe we get from the dev team is that their focus is solely on pushing out their invasions single player content (the most mind numbingly boring shit you've ever seen) as well as pumping out guest characters who don't get me wrong are really sick but it's just adding icing to a cake made of shit. I've completely dropped MK1 for Tekken 8, where in years past I barely played Tekken but had always had been grinding MK.
i know this isn't really related to the video but what do you think about m bison now that you can go play him? has it changed from sfv?
He's probably the strongest character in the game, very simple to use and a lot of fun. I'm having a great time using him.
The patches and the updates that shut the game for a day kill it. The fact that there are only like two to three complete characters that can play without kameos no warrior shrine and online practice. But honestly what really what bothers me the most is no run/ rush down mechanic. That is why I like sf6 and before that mkx give me a run
Kof in that position is just sad, we had some great tournaments in Evo
Jun and Ryu are die laughing in the thumbnail 😂
😂😂
A couple of Asian countries that never bothered with MK in the first place banning it is hardly a compelling argument. And calling people "foolish" is just stupid (nevermind shitty PR.) Attacking the people not the argument is discourse nono number 1. It's generally done when you have no argument.
At this moment MK 11 has more players than 1, it has more 24 hour peak than 1 and it has all time peak than 1, it hass been welcoming people again since May, so if they say that this is just because "Oh they are coming back because people are saying things of 1", NAH, is because the game has his problems and developers hasn't been doing the correct thing, MK 1 has been in the mouth of a lot of people saying that the core system isn't that great, that the animations look worst than 11, there are a lot of bugs that hasn't been fixed, and the interesting thing about all the people who denies the problems with MK 1 is that for example people hated the way they are monetizing the game, but SF 6 has people like that too and still people come back and still plays it, and you even has constants sales for sht like that, so they do stuff, MK just still doing what the people is hating and the response is going to be the same.
If this is a market move to try to sell "Ultimate" editions, men, they are going receive what they deserve, hate, and there is not an excuse even for that, people hated UMvC3 saying that was a paid update to fix things, and what if MK 1 is going that route, there are no excuses for this people who denies, even the "But is because is on season 2", i can go and say that the game is on season 3 or 4 or 10 but its on HIS FIRST YEAR, that's what season mean on FGC, no that season pass BS, they even say it like that they said that is on season 2 so lets compred to 11 season 2 year 2, like no, compared to YEAR 1 because is on his year 1, and worst that even pushing 2 seasons whatever that means to this deniers they cant get people interested on the competitive, and it seems the only thing that keeps the casual is the homelander, etc characters.
I just want to have an FGC place were we dont have deniers, we dont have this fanboy behaviour, that in the end is just going to endup closing more and more when all this years has been opening up more and more and has been amazing to know people from around the world sharing theirs stories and their passion.
I deadass have never heard of Under Night. Is it fire?
The anime scene love it. I think it's pretty cool but not for me personally.
It's pretty fire imo. If your a big fan of Melty Blood, it's made by the same devs. Just beware that it's old school anime fighter. So lots of movement, tight windows, and pretty broken characters that's all very balanced.
However the single player content is LOTS of fun and you can sink a pretty good amount in it. I can't play online since it's that deep in comp but French Bread (devs) are wonderfully with providing good content to play by yourself.
@@RealMikeHollow sheet, i'll check it out
@@NrettG Bet
It’s painfully clear that MK is just a marketing tool for WB games, is riddled with DEI and the worst part is their DLC picks, they keep adding WB characters instead of legacy characters this is sacrilage for fans, just lool at SF6 the DLC picks are now controversial because they’re not SF characters even though they’re also fighting game characters, so they at least make sense when they include them, but MK? The f*ck is leatherface fighting gods, martial artists and demons and actually winning!?
Maybe a bit off topic but as someone who really enjoyed the original Granblue its such a shame it got so unlucky with the pandemic never really getting a proper chance thus it makes me happy to see the numbers of entrants Granblue fantasy Rising is getting i love this game and its my personal favorite fighting game out right now so here is hoping the community keeps growing !
MK1's numbers are about 50% less of what MK11 got in 2019. Though pretty much identical to MK11's numbers 3 years after release. MK just never brought in huge numbers to Evo regardless unless it's the first year of a new MK's release
In the future, Real MK Tom Brady will be seen as a prophet.
clicked just to say I love all 3 and think the FGC should just be happy that we’ve gotten bangers back to back. all of them have been quite fun in my eyes.
As someone who only plays Tekken I feel sorry for our MK brothers. I thought we had it bad. I think of NRS games as ones to play through the story and drop and at that point you might as well just watch a streamer play it. I can see DBZ becoming one of the three. Maybe Garou. Shame Strive hasn't quite hit that level.
We stan for Sparking Zero. Hopefully people really jump on it 🙏🏾
Is Tekken 8 a disappointing game for fans? (I'm really curious)
@@zengaoI just bought it like 2-3 weeks ago im a die hard tekke n fan but its a little underwhelming imo its better than MK1 but i overall prefer Tekken 6 and TTT2 style of gameplay, I dont like all the heat attacks and special moves that mess up the flow of the game for me. But then again I could be what you consider a legacy player stuck in their ways.
I'll be competing in the big three this year but I'll admit that I'm way more excited to compete in the Tekken scene than I am MK. It's just much more dynamic and fun to watch/compete in when compared to MK. It's a shame since MK9 was what really got me into fighting games.
Most MK1 players are from the USA. Most SF6 players are from Japan. Guess where is EVO Las Vegas located. Guess which players have more problems to travel to EVO. The travel hypothesis is just a bad excuse.
Yoooo!! I actually made that edited image of Ryu in face app😂 so glad someone got some use outta it. Great video brudda 🤟🏾
@@akamanxl haha for real? We spam it in our group chats 😂 you got an IG or something? I can link to it in my description so you get some credit, bro.
I haven’t played MK since MK10. Takeda was my favorite character he wasn’t in MK11 so I didn’t play lol. But why is MK1 so dead?
Many reasons. But the main points are unfinished, lack of content and how nrs managed the game after launch
Cameo is the ugliest and jankiest mechanic in a fighting game.
They tried the strategy that many of these new games do. Reduce launch content then try to compensate by monetizing content through skins and dlc. And on top of that, it's content is a complete downgrade from mk11 in terms of the amount of content from launch that it offers. I used to like mk a lot around mk10 as well. Mk11 was iight but I didn't hate it. But mk1 I dropped in a week.
Gameplay wise, mk10 was the last good mk imo. Mk11 was a downgrade in gameplay from mk10, but it at least had some good offline grinds to go off of (if you're into that sort of thing) to keep u busy. Mk1 is just barebones and the gameplay was alright but not enough to keep me sticking to it.
That's my opinion on it.
@@Nkodtb Dang they really had us in the first half lol. All the trailers were amazing, but I guess like you said everything else flopped.
and the gameplay takes one brain cell
That zoom out bug at 16:00 had me weak 😂😂😂😂😂 reminds me of a cartoon skit 💀
I came back to MK1 for Homelander played a couple matches and quickly remembered it's still MK1 got off and uninstalled
Now I'm having a blast playing Bison in SF6
Great video Mike. As someone who loves the MK franchise, it pains me to see my favorite franchise fall off this much in the competitive scene. I agree with your points, Ed Boon has claimed MK 1 will get the longest support of any of the games so I’m hopeful they will turn things around but we’ll see
Thank you, sir ☝🏾 we will have to wait and see what they do moving forward. There's always a road back.
Mk1 has low numbers. Cause mortal kombat is more of a local US game. Evo got players for all over the world. Just the same way more people play fifa than nba2k.
Less than 10% of players at EVO are from outside of NA.
Why would MK being a local US game hurt it’s numbers in a US tournament?
MK1 won’t even get a second EVO at this rate. Lmao
Mk is the quickest selling fighting game. When a new mk is released it sells like hot cake, BUT this is because ita casual driven and the pro or hobbiests are the smallest of their consumers, this mean its a game that die quick. Everyone knows it, ed boon knows it. This is why mk is more profitable by releasing new games than doing dlc or season passes.
Why would investors (wb) give them more money to manage a good live service if they know money is on new releases? Its sad but its the nature of the market.
MK1 also apparently didn't sold as much as previous games. I think not even the casuals are showing up.
Not surprised. A truly sad state of affairs.
I was really surprised that streetfighter 6 wasn’t the main event at CEO
Tekken came out swinging.
the level of disinterest when it comes to MK's competitive scene in Japan/Asia can be summed up with one quote
"the best MK player in Japan is a blind guy from the US"
this was during the PS2/3d era, but still rings true to this day
The last good mk game was mk9. The whole franchise has been a gimmick from day one
They made all the characters kind of bland and ugly. I think they've alienated their fan base a little too much with MK1
they are not ugly you dumb fuck
Honestly really funny that NRS is able to make characters so bland and ugly while the old MK games had real people in it, and a lot of the characters was just the same lady/guy with different colors. And still managed to look and feel less boring. Knowing the limitations and such.
@@akabkb6692 They arent ugly you havent seen too many pretty pepole in your life
or you are just blind
you are just a hater that follows everyone who hates on the game
instead of allowing positivity in your life
Hope life is treating you well and your shoulder is healing up
The shoulders getting better, bro. Thank you ☝🏾
I used to be a big MK guy, but I didn’t even bother with MK1. Playing SF6 and GGS now, much happier👍
Men lie. Women lie. The numbers never lie.
We all know NRS is clueless, but these so-called fans are even worse. You have to compare MK1 to current competitors, and it's being smoked right now. The fact that you have to compare it to the numbers of the past MK or Injustice games even shows how MK1 is currently taking an L. Last point, just go look at the history books. There are plenty of bad games that sold well. Just because it sold well doesn't make the game good. Anthem sold 5 million copies; enough said.
What is this Ryu smile on a thumbnail? It is so creepy, I want it in a game (=
😂😂 it's done with the face app, bro.
You know it’s embarrassing when Under Night In Birth 2 is above Mortal Kombat.
Also, Mike, have you ever played Under Night before? It’s really good and far better than MK1.
I've played it with some friends before. I can see why people like it. Definitely not for me but I think it's a pretty cool game.
Yeah that is kind of horrible. Never heard of that other game that you said in my life
@@xerospadesPlay it. It's good. Super niche, but good. Leagues above MK1 anyway
Embarrassing for whom, though? Uni 2 is a better game. Better gampleay, better value.
@@strippinheat For the NRS shills who think that MK1 is game of the year.
I just got MK1 last night on sale LMAO knew it wasn't worth full price so I waited
Off topic Mike, but have you tried The First Descendant? If you like Wardrobe you'll probably like TFD.
I have no idea what either of those are but I'll check em out on RUclips ☝🏾
I wish KOF XV had more players, but 3rd Strike having a large number is still really cool
kinda sad there's no killer instinct
There was a BIG glitch with Rashid when he released, but within the day, it got patched out.
Was a long time MK fan but these last 2 games are hard misses. A big thing people don’t talk about in my mind is how much of the MK community left post X. 11 plays insanely different from even its netherrealm ancestors and 1 just feels like what would be a side game mode in 11 made into the entire fight system. It’s clunky and unsatisfying to play at a top level because the game is trying so hard to stop you from having fun and going deep in it. (Slower movement, gimped combo systems, and the call in mechanics in 1 just fundamentally changed the way the fights feel/play in a very unsatisfying way.)
Getting in before the expected “MKX was very divisive” you’re right the break neck speeds were a distinct and strong barrier. only issue was that’s what NRs first to games built up towards. IMO a lot of the outside community didn’t see how divided the competitive player base really was as half of them were told by fellow players and effectively dev alike: “MK doesn’t want you here anymore. Get lost”
As sad as it is to see it ain’t surprising, and as one of the folks who’s effectively exiled from his favorite fighting game franchise its upsetting but this has already been happening for years and isn’t exactly new
Mortal kombat 9 was definitely one of the best
People really need to give Strive more credit for maintaining a sizeable competitive scene. I'm an old Gear head, and I have my issues with Strive for sure, but if you told me in 2018 that any Guilty Gear would have over 2K EVO entrants year after I would call you crazy. Some of it was luck and having rollback at the right place and time, but that success should be acknowledged. Even if I don't enjoy the game as it is now, I have faith it can improve and continue to be an anchor in the FGC.
Mk9 last real mk game
Real talk!
@@tmerchead1 i took it for granted and now I wanna buy a PS3 and game lol
I'm sure ed boon did too
Maybe WB gave him one free project then after that something took over the studios and took the game to a different direction against ed boon will.
Poor dude contracts are contracts.
They also kept interfering with existing projects too
Games that were in Dev for so long just for them to be like
WB Business Devs: Welllllllllll you KNOW WHAT I think?
Let's scrape this idea and turn it to MK instead :)
Ed Boon: (Internally screaming)
Mike, MK9’s first EVO was in 2011 and had 500+ entrants. 2012 was its second year, and 2013 was its 3rd year.
When you gotta pay for broken cameos to stay competitive
I'm just the most Hyped and impressed with 3rd Strikes numbers. But yeah to say MK has hit a massive snag is an understatement. People say Just focus on the positives like Tekken and SFs numbers. Well that doesn't help because ignoring MK's low numbers doesn't help MK at all. Communication has been constant with all these other games except MK. The MK is divided so much that it's now becoming difficult to keep track of the issues.
I dont mean to be "that guy" but like... ive been watching mk tournaments for as long as i can remember and unless its like super recent. I dont remember seeing Saki Sakura commentating any top 8 tournaments in MK. It was only CEO when i first seen her doing anything really. I dont agree with what she said in the tweet either. All im saying is... for her to be speaking for ALL NRS players is just weird imo.
I'd never seen her before either but don't mind her speaking on it. It's just her comments were all pretty weak.
I don't play any fighting games so I can't say anything about the quality of any of these games. I can say however that SF6 and Tekken 8 are very entertaining to watch, the characters just seem to have so much more impact on their attacks and watching high level players using all the features is thrilling. MK1 however has NRS's signature flaccid looking attacks and high level players all use the same cameos. The optimal playstyle in MK1 to a casual viewer appears to be: poke until you get in a hit, after getting in a hit try to go in for a combo, if combo is blocked then use cameo to keep opponent in block stun to escape reprisal and if combo hits then use cameo to activate 65-85% combo. With Twitch and casual viewership being more important than ever for players outside of tournaments, it is understandable that high level players will not sticking around because MK1 is just not attracting casual viewers.
9:54, that is one cope of a tweet. MK 1 isnt in it's 2nd year, it's in the tail end of it's first. On top of that this is it's first evo with those numbers. With all of the money that went into this game for characters and the like, you'd think it would have a higher entry count then Under-night.
I have been playing fighting games for about 3 decades - and did about 10 or so semi competitive. I never once thought about playing NRS games competitively. Hell, I barely play them multiplayer. Injustice 2 was great for it's single player content and I THOUGHT I was going to enjoy MK1 for the same reason. But they had to go all Marvel Cinematic Universe and I didn't even really get to enjoy MK1's story mode. Nobody who values game mechanics, game balance and cohesion even looks twice at NRS games.
I'm not really firmly in the fighting community but I think a lot of people just buy MK because the spectacle looks cool. Buy it press some buttons, cool stuff happens, and then it goes on the shelf once you've seen it. SF makes me want to learn a character so I think, from my naive perspective, it just seems like the other fighting games do a better job of converting tourists into stakeholders.
I look back on MK as the gateway to other fighting games. I see it as slop for the casual market as opposed to the competitive scene these days. I started my fighting game 'career' with MK and promptly left when I found out how fun SF and other fighting games were without nary a backward glance 😂
Mortal kombat needed and had the right excuse to add created fighters, they shouldn’t have removed the krypt, the Kameos shouldn’t have been the main focus on the gameplay
Mike said "head of the table" and I knew he was part of the bloodline.
ACKNOWLEDGE ME ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾
I’m so glad to see Under Night REbirth appeared…..even if the numbers are low. 😅 Poor KOF tho….😢
As a fan of the big 3 MK is one of my Favorites in my opinion Street Fighter 6 is the best option currently biggest player count easy to pick up and fun to play. However Mike I disagree with what you said about Online it’s Street fighter first but then It’s MK followed and last in Tekken 8 because their is currently issues with matchmaking in Tekken 8 that limits the people you play against and some people can’t even play Tekken 8 online their servers aren’t working right now. That’s a reason as to why the player numbers have shrunk. I’m not A Tekken Hater but they dropped the ball hard I can’t find matches in Tekken 8 in under 10 minutes but I can find Street fighter and MK Matches in less then 30 seconds. Also if it’s true about the next DLC characters this is the worst pass in a fighting game ever.
Also want to say I’m pissed off with Tekken because the shop glitch hasn’t been fixed I played for costumes in the shop a person RQ and it corrupted my save data and I lost my paid Shop costumes I have checked every single patch and they haven’t fixed the bug. I wanted to enjoy Tekken 8 too but the bugs and glitches ruined my excitement I hope they patch Devil Jin and Raven cause they have been broken since launch.
I wonder how MK would be with new developers behind it. As much as NRS has been screwing up lately I could only imagine that it would be a breath of fresh air.
Yeah imagine if Take Two ,Ea ,Epic or Ubisoft got there hands on Mk that be great 😃.
@@tmerchead1Three out of those four companies you listed would probably make it worse mate
@@oblisk7778that’s the point he’s trying to make
@@PlatinumMage Oh mb. I can't read context clues through messages sry
@@oblisk7778well It was pretty clear sarcasm because of that emoji tbf
I’m sure that city of the wolves will be a massive hit, maybe it’ll get bigger than strive. When that game comes out everyone will forget about mk1
Bro there has been a bug in the game since Ermac came out that makes the game think your killing combo dropped even though it didn't and the finish him screen pops up in the middle of the combo making it impossible to do a brutality afterwards. Idk about anyone else but removing my ability to do brutalities pretty much removed my interest in playing all together. I've made multiple bug reports and they get ignored or "expire" smmfh
That is terrible ☠️ and Ermacs been around for a little while now. Truly Shambolic scenes.
I listened to your views on my way to work and Couldn't agree with you more! As a Casual player, i tried to play for 45mins while the double Xp was on and in No time was Bord,, it just doesn't have any reply Value! Nothing there to make you want to play! I played the hell out of Mk9 Mkx Mk11 Injustice 2! And Spent endless hour's enjoying them! Mk1 should have knocked it out of the park with multiple off-line and Online options for both Novice and Pro players, lacklustre of a game souly relying on DLC'S and Cartoon expansion!
I was 18 or 19 when 3s came out first time i played it was in vegas at this super arcade back then you don’t really know in advance of certain games i felt like i found a willy wonka golden ticket spent most of my time playing 3s. family trip we stayed at that french paris place i think. idk if that arcade is still open or not.
Not surprised and good afternoon
Good afternoon, sir ☝🏾
@@RealMikeHollow cool thanks
This is example of devs just selling a name.There's thing mk are doing that killing there game:Greed from both devs and pros(as Mk Tom Brady explains)
Too stuck on realism interms of movement allowing for a somewhat stiff move
To much catering quick nerfs as soon as people cry instead of upping some others characters to make it so it's not only 2 to 3 characters every gameplay
Characters personality is slowly becoming more bland (that reason why playing a certain character was hype ex:Scorpion being this badass spawn from the neither
Too many guest characters not fitting to the mk verse/not working with their own characters from previous games
Making women purposely ugly 😂
the womenh arent ugly
@@Dr490n28not in THIS game.
@@Hillthugstai think tanya is the only one ugly
In all fairness, SF and Tekkén aren’t guilt free from corporate greed either. The TMNT and SpyxFamily promotion for SF wasn’t received well and I heard something about Tekkén requiring you to buy excess micro transactions because some items cost more than the minimum amount you can buy at a time but I don’t fully remember that subject. As for the ugly women part, Tanya’s the only one who fits that category. I also know this game was under Sweet Baby Inc’s list of supported games so my expectations already fell off after that was revealed.
@@zengao Tanya isnt ugly either
The fact that a lot of people hated mk11 and it had the most evo entrances is insane
Really puzzling tbh 😂