F-150 UPR Oil Separator 4" Mega Catch Can Kit Black EcoBoost 3.5L 2011-2014 Installation
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2016
- Freddy shows you how to install this UPR Black 4" Mega Catch Can Oil Separator Kit on your 2011-2014 F150 with a 3.5L EcoBoost Engine.
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This direct-fit UPR four inch Mega Catch Can oil separator kit is going to keep destructive oil vapors out of your 2011-2014 F-150 EcoBoost PCV system intake. When oil vapors get into your PCV system intake, you're going to experience lower performance, nasty build up in your underhood presentation and even possible engine damage. That's why this kit includes a Mega Catch Can to collect all that damaging oil vapor and keep you cruising with long lasting protection.
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Even though I was unable to get answers to some questions that are very important to me about its operation of this can from idle to WOT from UPR , I bought and installed this expensive rascal last year because I knew that I needed one. This is not what I wanted to use, but because of physical limitations I have , it was easier to install. The setup that I wanted to use was the same can with the same install for the intake side, but for the the turbo side, a hose is ran straight from the catch can to the turbo inlet. The WOT factory hose was eliminated and the fitting in the valve cover was capped. Then a fresh air hose from the airbox to a CSS mounted in the oil fill cap was installed. Everything about this made sense to me as far as assuring that all of the crankcase air should be pulled from the passenger side to the catch can under all operating conditions. This is especially important to me since I tow a camper and most all driving will be under boost. This now brings me to my main question about the catch can that you installed in the video. When under boost without any alteration, the turbo is pulling bad crank air straight out of the valve cover. Since this installation runs a new hose from the catch can to the driver side and is now simply providing a tee'd connection between the CSS in the valve cover and the turbo inlet, what happens during boost? Since the turbo is providing the vacuum for the catch can AND pulling air straight from the valve cover at the same time, how effective, if at all is the can in this situation? I am not a rocket scientist so I am hoping that there are some dynamics or pressure differentials occurring that allow the can to function and limiting whats pulled thru the CSS. But looking at it straight forward, it seems to me that the majority of crank air will still be pulled from the CSS in the valve cover to the turbo. Sorry for the long post, but I hope you can give me some answers that will hopefully but my mind at ease. Thanks
Got mine 3 weeks ago and its works perfect and very easy to install exactly like the video
Okay so from the time this video was made the parts have changed somewhat. The arrows on the hoses which show flow direction are only on two. The Vent cap does install with a snap fit, it does not require the removal of the barb on the valve cover side. The connecters on the third hose are identical so I would assume direction does not matter. Great fit, works like a champ.
Great job Freddy! I am putting 2 catch cans on my 94 legacy right now
we love you Freddy!!!! I'm here because of pmm
I purchased this UPR Satin 4"Mega Catch Can,($400) took it over a week to get to me. I went to install it and after taking all the original hoses off I found out they sent me the wrong UPR Clean Side Separator. This was a weekend job and of course their office was closed. Talk about being pissed! Now it will be another week before getting the right piece I'm sure.
do u have the catch can for 15-16 2.7L Ecoboost model?
I don’t recommend bottom draining catch cans as convenient as it sounds. From years of emptying catch cans I know for a fact that it’s better to have a normal can that screws off and you can clean the inside, sometimes the gunk is too thick to just drain with gravity.
Do every truck need 2 or 1 oil catch can? I have seen different cans for either passager side or driver side.
I did see you hook up to the twin turns like they do for monster catch can why is it not needed to be done that way and didn't see were you hooked up your filtered air ?.
Canadians beware! Put one in a couple of years ago, loved it. Went on a long drive in -40C (northern Alberta) and the hoses froze up. Pressured up the crank and pushed all the oil out through the drivers side turbo, then the cats and out. Mechanic couldn't figure out what happened. He replaced the oil and said it was good to go. Hit the highway tons of smoke, O2 sensors toast, cats toast. Replaced. 4 months later, drivers turbo started squealing, then engine knock... Bearing spun somewhere and had to replace engine and turbo. $15,000+ and I am 90% sure this is why.
I live in NW Ohio and have had no issue with freezing. I drain.the can every 3000 miles.
Canada is colder. Ohio is just awful.
I see this system is different than other ones I've seen. Some are listed as passenger side and are simply two hoses and the catch can question is is the different setups for different years or why are they different? Mines a 13 3.5
Watched the video and immediately went to the websight and ordered one.
Thank you very much!
Works like a champ! I tell everyone I see driving an Eco to get one. I mounted mine a little differently and it made the relocation of the sensor easier. All I had to do was loosen the factory horn bracket and move it to the right. The stuff that comes out looks like spoiled salad dressing.
Do you know if the mega can would fit with the Full Race CAC?
Nice video. Can you make an install video of the full race catch can? Torn between the 2.
Uneek637
I had them on mine if they get full in the winter in cold weather areas they will freeze and cause your engine to over pressure and cause oil to blow out the exhaust and run your engine out of oil
I put one on my 2012 3.5 yesterday. 30 minutes start to finish. Just changed the oil. The sensor relocation and install went exactly as shown in the video. I’ll come back and comment after next oil change.
How’s your rig?
Probably 15000 miles now and I haven’t had to have my valves fogged again. This thing really works as promised. The dealer played dumb, but my mechanic will vouch for my success. No more spit and sputter, no more loss of power. $500 well spent.
I have a a2002 dodge 2500 Cummins I need a catch can. can I use this one, or recommend one.
I have a 2011 Ford F-150 3.5 V6 with Twin Turbo will this fit it or work on it?
Will this work for the 5.0 2013
I installed one on my 2013 F150 eco-boost as directions said. Now I occasionally get a really foul smell in the cab of the truck. Usually when stopped at a red light. I contacted UPR and they said odors like this are typical of all catch can installations. I don't buy that. All connection's having O-ring seals, I don't understand where the odor is coming from. Any idea how to eliminate the odors? Anyone else have this problem?
Got one for a 2020 Explorer ST ?
Ahh this is more like it. Anybody have any suggestions for thr ecobeast. I really appreciate all of your educated information I'll let u know. How it goes
I just installed this can on my truck and there's no way this would have fit on my 2012 lariat without cutting/removal of a grill mount.
This is a dual valve correct?
My company has a 2012 ecoboost with 212,000 miles and it run fine without a cc.
And my grandmother smoked for 40 years without getting cancer. Not sure what your point is.
(PS died much later, of cancer)
Not smoking related.
anecdotal
Does not matter what your personal experience, some things have been proven.
Smoking causes cancer. PROVEN.
no matter how many people say it didn't hurt them
Drinking and driving causes accidents, Does not matter if you have been driving drunk since you were 12.
Or maybe, you just have not noticed the loss of power, and efficiency?
I have a 2011 ecoboost and I have seen videos where a small hole has been drilled into the intercooler to help with drainage. Is the can used the same way for drainage?
guess he does not answer questions. I am in same boat with my 2011 and 94k miles on it. Getting a misfire and runs like crap every time I stomp on it. what did you end up doing?
Looking to get one. But I've heard parts have changed. Please msg me. I have a 2013 3.5 eco boost.
What about the other turbo?
What is the benefit between this and the RX Catch Can? Is there any difference between drilling into the air box and running it into the oil cap vs. this? I like the ease and non altering of factory components of this vs. that of the RX Catch Can but which one is more effective? Thanks in advance.
I don't know much about the RX catch can, but this UPR can is extremely effective. In our experience, the can pretty much gets entirely filled up by the time youre ready for an oil change.
I have one of my 2012,but it is always empty. Nota drop in it.
I have a 2014 EB with 65000 miles. Not having any issues at all. I drive alot of in town and do tow a pontoon boat during spring summer. Should I add this to my truck and what benefits will I see from doing so. Thanks
It would be a good idea to add one to your truck as soon as you can. You won't see any immediate benefits but it will help to keep your intake valves clean(er) for better performance and longevity down the road.
Please we bsaid to order it
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So where does the engine get it fresh air feed with this catch can design? Normally when you install a clean air separator it is plumbed with it's own dedicated run into the top of the air box so filtered air can enter the engine . It looked like this kit has the clean air separator connected to a Y fitting that is connected to the turbo inlet and vacuum side of the catch can. With the turbos spooled up doesn't this result in a non-air flow or vacuum situation in the block?
i saw another kit where a 90 was installed to the air box for fresh air, thats why im confused on this kit. I have a cold air intake system with open box. Wonder how I can do this
Do you sell one of these kits for the Dodge Ram Cummings diesel? It really needs one! Also I think that the catch can should be located below the pcv outlet.
We dont offer one at the moment.
On the UPR website it has the options of billet check valve's. Is this something that is necessary? I'm curious if it comes with non billet check valves standard and the billet ones are extra? Or does not come with any check valves unless you select the additional cost option of the billet ones? If this is the case are the check valves necessary?
They definitely a good thing to have, but you could call and ask them for more detailed information. The kit we installed has the billet check valves. Thanks for watching!
My F150 EcoBoost is a 2011 with 54,000 miles, I've always run full synthetic oil, now you have me wondering how much oil is floating around the intake and whether installing the catch can would really help at this point.
Im sure there is a fair amount of oil sitting in your intercooler, but its never too late for the oil separator.
Mike, when I removed my OEM lines the oil was sitting on the lip and looked like thick coffee with milk. I have 39,408 on my 2013 oil changed every 4k full synthetic. I installed this today and will update later on. The build quality of this catch-can system is on point.
if or when i install this, will I need to disconnect the intercooler and actually clean it out myself?
You don't NEED to, but it's a good idea to clean it out.
The point of hooking up to turbo is to ensure vacuum is obtained under boost, right?
Correct, the line that goes to the turbo is how the air exits the oil separator back into the engine.
I have a 2018 Lariat 3.5 ecoboost. Has this problem been fixed or do I still need a catch can?
Its not as a serious of a problem in the 2018, but a oil separator is still a really good idea to keep the inside of the engine nice and clean.
Why didnt it just come with a catch can?
Mine came with 2 40" lines and no check valve in either of them. Did they send me wrong hoses or have the parts changed?
It's possible you were sent the wrong one, give their customer service a call.
Hey guys i got a 2012 3.5. I got the kit from you guys. I when to drain it after a week it seen like a little bid of gas fuel liquid like, came out the canister. When i drain it Thats normal. ? just a bid concern. Thanks.
Yup that sounds pretty normal? Did it kind of look like nasty coffee?
Ok correction...I have the 5.0 not the 6.2 after all. Just bought the truck and thought the guy said 6.2. It’s not an EcoBoost it’s a flex fuel. Does my 5.0 still need the oil separator if it’s the flex fuel?
It is still beneficial for your truck. I just took apart my upper/lower intake and it was coated with thick oil. And I have a 5.0
Now You could spray sea foam in their to clean it a little but guys with EcoBoost can’t because any caked on deposits will brake off and go into the turbos and damage the blades
I have a 2018 eco boost, is there a catch can on the market for my f150 yet?
Yup here ya go! www.cjponyparts.com/upr-dual-valve-oil-separator-black-ecoboost-3-5l-f-150-raptor-2017-2018/p/50302211/
where is coming second hose factory
I have a 2017 eco boost, Im assuming its still a Ford problem and needs a can ?
The 2017 had some changes so it's not as big of a problem as previous years, but you should still get a catch can for your truck to keep it running nice and clean.
Damn bro!, pull that piece of freaking red nylon off before attaching the can!
Hiw do you drain it once the grill is back on?
Grill is on the hood lol open the hood to drain
so what happens if you if cheap out and block your intake tubes and let the pcv vent to atmosphere, wouldn't that accomplish the same thing?
That would increase crank case pressure and could cause increased oil consumption and other performance issues, along with oil getting all over the engine compartment and the road. Don't vent to atmosphere.
I mean i get that my crank case would go form under slight vacuum to neutral pressure, but i don't see how that would increase oil consumption or effect performance. environmentally speaking it wouldn't be favorable, and potentially a fire hazard. But lets say i throw a cheaper catch can and then vent to atmosphere, i can go find one for $30 (vs $430), zero oil vapors return into my engine, the environment suffers a little, my wallet would be happier.
Can you send me a link so that i can get one ordered? My truck is a 2014 with the 3.5 eb and has 70k miles, do i need to do something before i put the catch can on?
Here ya go www.cjponyparts.com/upr-oil-separator-4-mega-catch-can-kit-black-ecoboost-3-5l-f-150-2011-2014/p/5024801CSS/
No, you just need to watch the video and follow directions. It took me 15 minuets to install.
What will be the solution for a 3.5 EcoBoost that does not have turbos? So far all the EcoBoost Solutions I've seen have been put on EcoBoost with turbos.
Every ecoboost has turbos. There is a 3.5 V6 that does not have turbos, but it's not an ecoboost.
all ecoboost have twin turbos
Does this system work both at idle and at boost?
Yup!
What if I bought a used truck with 130k miles on it. Should I bother with this if its "preventative maintenance" only? Is it too late and the damage already done?
Clay
Yes it does
This install will not work for a 2015 ecoboost. The grill has active air flow and takes all the room in the grill space. I have a secondary spot that fits perfectly and is slightly hidden but easy to access of anyone want it.
Will this work on a 2017 f150 3.5 EB? Or wich one would you recommend?
Heres a good one that will fit your 2017 3.5 EB www.cjponyparts.com/upr-dual-valve-oil-separator-black-ecoboost-3-5l-f-150-raptor-2017/p/50302211/
CJ Off-Road what about for a air filter
Why is there such a buge difference between the amount of contaminants in the cold temps vs the hot temps?Winter time I catch triple what I do in the summer time.
Maybe because the oil is thicker in the cold and easier to catch.
a bigger temperature differential comparing winter to summer temps= the vapor will condense easier, best to put your catch can in a cooler area of the vehicle like the front mount in the video to improve the performance overall.
Can someone tell me why the oil in the catch can is always black in a relatively new truck. I change my oil at regularly scheduled intervals and it's never that color.Also if there is this much oil going into my engine why does my dipstick always read full ,ie. on the mark. I'm talking about my F150 2.7 ecoboost. Something's fishy about these cans.
Oil turns black surprisingly quick no matter how often you change the oil. Your dip stick always read full because you might be catching 10-12 oz of oil with the can over a few thousand miles, but 10-12 oz of oil out of 6 quarts isn't that much.
WTF? I got mine in the mail and it’s different. 3” extension and zero nuts to hold the bolt onto the frame.
Worst of all, it doesn’t fit.
The hood has two steel pieces, one on each side and that sits just behind grill. When you close the hood, it hits the can.....WTF
Waoo mecy
I wonder if he was able to close the hood after the install...
It definitely had interference on my 2014. The grill support bracket rubs.
I have a EB 2014 and i was thinking the same, may have some issues when's trying closing the hood.
Any luck closing the hood?
Is it worth adding this to a 3.5 ecoboost with 94k miles on it and misfiring every time you stomp on it or is it too late and the valves are gunked up so bad that this mod will do nothing?
Since no one answered you and I would have liked an answer also. I know you posted this a year ago, did you end up putting one on? I have 105k miles on my 2014 and just installed mine. Guess I'll see how my truck drives now. Cross fingers I have no issues.
@@Comopr02 I ended up drilling a 1/16th hole and that did the trick. Never had another issue and traded her in with 120k miles on her. I bought a 2020 3.5 ecoboost and added a catch can right off the bat and have had to empty it twice before 5000k miles.
what about winter? i think that can with all that moisture will be a block of ice
It contains a lot of oil so its very unlikely it will freeze.
it froze in the winter, its not just oil and gas ... theres also water and the water is on the bottom once all those separate. and in the winter, the cold air is passing right through your grill and with the wind chill making it even colder, its more likely to freeze that water sitting at the bottom and the lighter gas and oil sitting above the block cyclinder of ice making it not drainable until you either poke through it or let it thaw.
Do the filters on the catch can ever need to be replaced or cleaned? Are they serviceable in any way? What about the longevity of the catch can? What is the life expectancy of the catch can?These thing cost alot of money, please tell us about what really matters.Not trying to be a jerk but these are extremely important to consumers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The catch can will most likely last longer than the vehicle itself. UPR recommends cleaning the can once a year by removing it from the vehicle and flushing the can with dawn dish soap and water (carb cleaner and other chemicals can damaging the anodizing).
So how can I clean my engine for the time it was owned without it having the catch can?
With the EcoBoost there is no Ford approved method. Because you run the risk of damaging your turbos if a hard deposit that was cleaned off goes through it
@@unprecedentedcreations still trying to figure out how a deposit goes through the turbo?
how does this perform in cold weather would the Liquid freeze
It would be extremely unlikely that it would freeze in a normal environment, the fluid that collects in the can is mainly oil mixed with a tiny bit of a water vapor
Hell yes it will freeze.I have to keep a small piece of clothes hanger wire to unclog the ice during tthe winter.Dont let anyone tell you it wont freeze.IT WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will installing this CC affect the 3/36000 Warranty?
It shouldn't but call your local dealership to make sure.
I called Ford and they said as long as you do not modify the engine (Tuner) your good to go. I have a BOV, Cat delete and custom 3" exhaust from the x pipe back and a high flow K&N. 2013 with 39,408 miles
I called Ford and they said as long as the mod. Doesn't cause premature wear to any component your good to go.Any modification.
More importantly the drain valve must be closed or the engine will have a serious vacuum leak!! (sucking through the valve)
exactly my thoughts... came here yo comments to make sure someone caught that..
as if the supplied reasoning for not keeping that valve open wasn't good enough. Fuckin' dorks.
It will not have a vacuum leak 🤣🤣 theres a check valve inline with the intake hose.....it will just blow junk over everything
can you leave the catch can always open?
Jorge Andrade no
The oil would go everywhere and make a complete mess if you did.
Some price, are you out of your mind ? Its 20 dollars in material.
That's cute. The F150 ecoboost is going to need the 5 gallon catch can.
Does installing a catch can void the warranty?
It is unlikely, but if you want to be sure give your Ford service department a call.
iv asked it will void it with anything related to the engine... he winked said make sure its not installed when it comes in lol
Haha well there ya go!
doesn’t work with aftermarket intake or hot side pipes.
You forgot to mention that you cannot close the hood after installing this kit.
Im confused ? If you put a line on the intake thats going to pressurize the can. What am i missing?
The can has 2 lines come from the valve covers and one vacuum line going to the intake, it should never be pressurized.
Freddy CJPP the intake on turbo motors is pressurized when under boost
The line connecting to the intake manifold to the can has a check valve so the can will not see positive pressure from the intake manifold.
Freddy CJPP but it will also not get vacuum so it should only work at idol
There will be vacuum present in the catch can during idle, very light acceleration and cruising.
$430????? Holy crap!
What is the size of the catch can inlet?
that can is a bit dramatic dont you think? something much smaller would suffice. good video though
It's May, 2018. I just bought a nice Lariat F150 3.5 TT with 85k miles. I want to install one of these. But how much damage, if any has already been done? And is there a remedy to clean the valvetrain? Is that necessary?
$400 is steep, but can you send me one, like a promo, birthday, or something? Maybe a Go-Fund-Me page. Thanks.
Will this fit Taurus 3.5L ecoboost or is there a kit for the car?
It's designed to only fir the 3.5L Ecoboost truck
why not just drill and tap the innercooler and put in a petcock
Well, I have a lot of feedback for you.
Quick preface, I am NOT a mechanic, and my mechanical ability, is likely in the top 40% at best.
First off, the video should be updated to reflect the current build of the product. Much has changed.
The Product DOES NOT FIT, installed as shown in this video, It impedes the hood of the truck.
The product is now shipped with a 3 inch extension, to lower the install.
Still Arguably does not fit.
at 3:39 it states the need to remove the fitting, Nope, it works just fine as is. with the new hardware.
I was upsold a Hi-Flo PCV that fits into this space, it is the same as the OEM, Except the OEM has a greater internal diameter, and does not use a 1/128th Hex key to hold it in place. This piece was not needed unless you broke the original.
At 5:30 he is talking about a factory pcv valve connector, It looks to me like all the connections are the same. I have no different connection.
Unless I replaced the wrong one with the Hi-Flo PCV?
The one I received has no knurling and I do not believe it can be taken apart or cleaned.
This video shows then removing the hose fittings, Not with the skill/ tools I have available.
and lastly, it really does not fit.
It is installed, it is done, it did take roughly an hour. But it was far from smooth, and I am quite glad, there was a youtube video.
All this Considering, it is by far and away the most expensive catch can kit, I found.
Wait a minute.. wait wait wait are you telling me my truck's entire structure just simply mutates over time to the newest model? What the hell was I thinking that a 2012 F150 actually stays a 2012 F150... hmmm my whole world has just been called into question, I don't even know how to process this.
You should say it cost $450.00 right out of the gate!!
$429 seems way high fellas. I'll bet you'd sell way more at a lower price point.
New cars are so expensive, and direct injected engines all have carbon buildup issues - so why don't manufacturers install catch cans at the factory?
Probably to keep production costs down and for more future service work.
Because people can't even remember to change their own oil, how is someone going to remember to drain the can. Remember, there are people in this world who own cars and have never even popped the hood of their car.
Zachary Zarko all of the above but more importantly Government regulations and because where would you dump the stuff hmmm...
Now that Trump is president and he is getting rid of EPA rules, you could just dump it anywhere. Better yet, just punch holes in the bottom of the can so you never have to empty it. (sarcasm)
Zachary Zarko Haha I actually thought about that. Just have the hose dump on the ground in a way that it wont get all over your rig.
ur getting better at videos but you could be alil bit neater with ur install put the tubes behind the others clean it up if that was my truck I wouldn't accept delivery until that was fixxed looks like it was just thrown together
my catch a can diaphragm was stolen because it was made of copper
would this work on a diesel turbo engine
Unfortunately not.
Good video but get rid of the annoying music, please.
This is not a necessary item. Save your money
It is very necessary on the ecoboost engine, they produce a ton of blow buy and ready coat the valves in carbon.
If you get a new truck once your lease is up than true. But if you’re like me and want it to last until the wheels fall off. It is needed to prevent engine and or turbo damage.
Turn off the stupid music
really bad for people with the attention span of a goldfish
Furthermore, the third hose has the exact same fittings....SO HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHICH WAY IT GOES? You specifically say it matters? So how the hell so I tell if fittings are the same!? 🤬
I dont understand why a new car needs oil catch can. New cars suck
Clearly this engine wasn't designed well if it needs this system. That's why I opted for the V-8.
Just because there is no boost, does not mean that the injectors are not having the same problem.
Ford needs to be responsible for the junk trucks they build , i bought my 2014 f150 ecoboost brand new & had to replace the timing chain , it had 80,000 miles only on it, daughter n law has a 2014 ecoboost had the same thing happen with hers, these ecoboost engines are thee most worthless engines i have ever seen in my life, (DO NOT BUY A FORD TRUCK !!!!!!)
Half the time your blocking view of exactly where to attach the house. Terrible how to video. Raise your game.
DONT BUY a Ford Ecoboost !!!
ugly install, plus if you leave the valve open you wont have any vaccum
The valve is only open for draining the can, it stays closed the rest of the time.