System76 COSMIC Panels... better than PLASMA!
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
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14:31 Conclusion 
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this is why i love plasma and the entire linux ecosystem. while big tech keeps trying to explain why their stuff is better, linux devs spend their time looking for ways to make their stuff better, resulting in... stuff being better.
Plenty of proprietary stuff is better, hands down. Most Adobe products has no equal. And while there are good DAWs that run under linux, the problem is still plugins. And Pro Logic is truly an amazing DAW to use.
@@WolfRites It's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy though. I imagine if more people were interested in using (and funding...) the open source versions, they would get more development attention.
if you're talking about Windows, the thing is that they don't even have to defend their product, as it's so well established in the market. They can just bully people into using it because people want Microsoft Office
@@johanngambolputty5351 Sure, but people who rely on said software for work, aren't going to downgrade to software that doesn't do what they need it to do. Alternatives need to at least offer the same to be considered. Otherwise, they won't be.
@@victorodg The funny thing is that Microsoft Office isn't even much better than LibreOffice or Open Office, which are free. I did my whole master's degree using LibreOffice Writer and Calc. However, I used Google presentations, as I like their effects and themes better. Also running it through the browser made it easier for group projects.
KDE Plasma is so insanely good, but we need a means of copying panels to other monitors, or mirroring on all monitors.
I'm working on exactly that. Unfortunately the only way is through Javascript, so motivation is very low.
@@Wampa842 I can feel it must be a pain point. If it helps, I'm adding to the voices by saying it's one of the only things stopping me from switching from Gnome!
I've loved my time with plasma, but at this point it seems easier to do that with something like polybar (which I've been using since moving to bspwm), because you can just copy-paste the panel config and change the monitor name...
@@Wampa842 Javascript? For a desktop panel? Maybe that's normal but I was expecting something like C++, C, or maybe Rust. Javascript seems like it wouldn't be performant for a quick, low-latency desktop experience. I'm not a developer though, so maybe I'm incorrect.
@@kneppernicus Javascript is faster than you think. People downplay on it because the browser is slow (which is due to HTML and CSS most of the time, or unnecessary shitty JS library bundles), but it is one of the fastest interpreted languages because of JIT compilation. It is 300x faster than something like Python, for example. It's still 20x slower than multithreaded Rust, but for a GUI, you'll want single-threading anyway, so it's about 50% slower than well-written Rust, so there's that.
One thing I truly miss from XFCE after Plasma is the Intelligent Autohide, it was nicely implemented.
Why would anyone need Intelligent Autohide when we can have 5 stacked panels and one floating in the middle of the screen?
Yes, that was sarcasm.
Cosmic devs are doing many things right from the bottom up. They are thinking thoroughly about design choices!
+1 for the Plasma panel "Show panel on all screens" :), make it happen.
The thing that bugged me the most about the kde panel is that it doesn't have intellihide. And even if I could live without it and just use autohide, sometimes it doesn't work for some reason(same goes for "windows go below" and "windows can cover")
I'd really love to set my plasma panels to stay floating when I fullscreen something. I know it's probably not "useful" but I really love the look
This is one of KDE's strongest points: it's not opinionated, it gives you the tools you need for making your own desktop, and devs actively look into the community (not only their own, but also desktop Linux as a whole) for new ideas
I am glad to see you talk about the issues that I have with Plasma, the complex customization of the panels and the stability of the whole shell. These are 2 major reasons I avoid KDE. If these are addressed, I might look at using it, because I like the concept but not the implementation of Plasma. The only issue that wasn’t mentioned here was the third party extensions/plugins/applets/themes that are abandoned and install but cause buggy behavior in the shell, this really needs tags for recommended/verified, experimental, and old. I would avoid more of those that could cause problems if a system was in place.
Agree
Well said totally agree, there is 2 many options.
Hello
The options some users want are the one we can see in Latte Dock and Plank as well :
- putting the dock wherever you want on the screen
- set on/off the icon zoom and its size (like macOS).
- put custom indicators (a dot with a custom color, triangles, or whatever)
I think you should either add a new kind of panel for a dock-like behavior, or rewrite it from scratch and let the user choose between this new feature or the existing panels.
If you check Plank, it seems to be the simplest dock-like feature to understand and set.
Latte dock is more customizable.
One thing I really miss from Latte is being able to drag the active window from the panel. Hiding the titlebar in maximized and putting window buttons in the panel makes this feature sorely missed.
One thing I really like about the Gnome extension Dash-to-Panel is that you cam make the background color of the active icon/app/task/whatever to be based on the primary color of the icon. Like Opera having a red background, VLC an orange one, chromium a blue one. It's a relly nice individual touch for each icon.
@@Gramini i think i have seen Plasma panels or some themes with the feature you're describing : the icon background color has the icon's dominant color.
Or I may be confused with Ubuntu's default panel.
Rewriting the entire plasma panel from the ground up would be a MASSIVE undertaking, so that's unlikely to happen. Latte also has a massive code base, and that's why no one has taken up maintaining it. It's just a lot of work. But feel free to start, instead of expecting other people to do it for you. ;)
@@WolfRites yeah i presume it's a tough and huge task to achieve. This is why i was saying the user could have a choice between using the existing panels with its advantages and disadvantages, and a new feature as a dock-like panel.
It's a wish list of course... I'm not a professional developer so i won't be able to build such feature. Though I had C++ courses when i was at university, i would have so much to learn before being able to build anything working in Plasma.
It seems really nice how cosmic handles stacked panels. I can imagine using this functionality when I need to unplug my additional monitor, to have both that screen's panel and the remaining screen's panel both displaying on the remaining screen. (it'd be nice to have said panel move over automatically when its display is unplugged, but that'd be a separate feature request 😅)
I can also imagine it'd be hard to implement stacked custom width panels, but "regular" full-width panels should be simple enough.
_(or I could be completely wrong, I'm clueless in that regard)_
Your honesty is so refreshing Nicco, I love the content!
You rock, Nicco! Thanks for all your work!
I didn't use cosmic yet. But the greatest + for plasma over xfce in my view is, that I can pin for example my firefox to the panel, click on it, it opens, click on it once more and it minimizes.
In xfce I have to pin the app to the panel and then create another region on the panel, where my opened apps will be thrown in. So double the amount of space.
And plasma per default is very beatyful. In xfce I have to heavily customize it.
I really like the look and feel of plasma and some of the kde apps, like console, kate, dolphin. So thanks for your work on it too :)
I think you gravely underestimated the sheer beauty and customization of plasma panels and your work, they definitely deserved more points. Great vid!
I really appreciate all the things KDE panel can do, and it seems potentially a lot more powerful widget-wise than xfce4-panel, but I feel like xfce's panel is just so simple to configure comparatively while still having the features I personally need. Simple is not always better, as having all the options just laid out in front of you can be overwhelming, but I think in this case it gives it an edge for my personal use cases. Plus it works in any X environment (and soon Wayland environments). Like, I don't use xfce, but I use its panel on i3, and I'm not entirely sure I could use KDE's there (but maybe it's possible?)
Nice video! Love to see that there is actually someone working on panels and docks (which for me is very important part of KDE and currently is not in ideal state)
Preferred Plasma setup is to have a bottom central 'dock' panel for menu & apps that auto-sizes depending on what's active, and another, separate 'system' panel set to the bottom right side. As long as this remains possible I'll be happy
I love how the music gets more and more hardstyle with every episode
Thank you. For your videos They are candid and gives users a great perspective. Not many developers are not this transparent and objective in reviewing own work.
I am really excited to see what comes of COSMIC.
and yet transparency do not work at all out of the box so. . .thank you for your hard work ;)
Hi, great job! I need to customise, in source code the default height of the default panel. In What file I do this?
For me, the main thing I miss from Latte was scroll on panel to change workspace and drag on panel to drag window. That is amazing for a Unity-like setup like mine. Other than that, I'm worried about the other stuff psifodotos maintained... especially window buttons applet, because of my setup.
Your bead is looking great!
This video has a high-frequency background noise and the previous one has it as well. It causes my head to hurt. I think it should be fixed if possible
I'm trying to address the issue, but I'm afraid the next few videos will still have the noise
@@niccoloveslinux I think it started after that KDE meeting. Maybe the room has strong magnetic field?
@@user-tc9tb3a no, I changed how I record audio; previously via USB from now computer, not via jack audio from the camera; the jack port picks up a bit of noise from camera and usb/hdmi cables
@@niccoloveslinux Then maybe the camera's microphone has this problem
You are getting better RUclipsr. With some music, editing and all the rest keeps improving, your content is starting to be more pleasent to watch
I remember stacking my panels in the KDE 3.x days. I missed them so much once I moved to KDE 4 and the first (and admittedly quite buggy) versions of the Plasma desktop.
I personally do not like the way we drag and drop widgets. For some reason they always get "lost". Can't be found on the screen but the widget manager says i put one on the screen somewhere.
I turned the overlapping panels "glitch" into a feature by having one extremely thick panel behind my system tray panel that has a ton of information when expanded. It's basically a mini-launcher
you are *so* gonna hate me when I fix the overlapping panels glitch :P
Can I see it?
@@niccoloveslinux Don't you dare...
@@niccoloveslinux Yoooo Nicco, this taskbar style at 10:31 with the effect looks sooo good, you guys should use it as a default.
@@niccoloveslinux one of my concerns with that fix is that it may break my setup. When my laptop is docked, I have a panel on each display, and when it's using the built-in screen they sit on top of each other. My concern is that this will result in me either needing to delete one of my panels or deal with having 2 panels when I'm using a single screen.
Omg, is that the english version of the kizumonogatari light novel in the background???? Very nice.
Sweet I'm in the list! I'll be upping the contribution if I can get a raise. regardless of how the KDE panels are compared to other desktops, I'm loving my auto hide floating panel on KDE.
Any chance for the application windows to also have translucency like the way qtcurve has?
Hey Nico! May I know how did you make the panel rounded at 10:30?
I really wish there was an option for the floating panels to hide itself if the current window is in full screen, but show up if the current window isn't covering it. The current available options don't really show this behaviour. I think Plank or Latte dock have this option but I want to use Plasma panels.
To be fair, the default panel works fine for me!
I don't worry about adding or removing anything to/from it because I mostly use the "favorites" for my daily program use.
But I might explore these options at some point in the future.
i think you should consider moving the plasma panel applets into different processes. half of the time when i used endeavour os (artemis release, if i remember correctly; havent tried since) with the kde desktop, when i put one of the performance metering appets on, it crashes in 5-10 minutes. and after restart, i have about 30 secs to 1 minute to take them down or it crashes again. i used the ones already installed on the system. i know its a lot of work, but it would probably improve the stability a lot
Haven't had this happen to me, I'm on manjaro kde... Are you sure it's the applet that's the problem? IMO the system monitor applets are very odd and not very intuitive, maybe something broke while you set them up?
@@plutonianfairy yes, it only happened when i did that
Instead of Enter and Leave for opacity on xfce I think it should be focused and unfocused right? That would at least make it more clear to understand when these values are applied
For maximum space usage I use xfce. 2 floating panels one for notification and clock and the other for open windows buttons and the apps menu.
I put them on top of the screen and let the window titlebar go under them and make sure not to cover the [close ,min, max] buttons.
I used to use budgie but I left it because it didn't have floating panels.
Good ol' KDE 3 times when they had pretty much all of that but not one thing I like the most: sharing applets between desktop and panel, from the exact same code/build/instances even!
Panels settings aren't the same as Canonical's GNOME did for Ubuntu 22.04?
Why is it defloating/getting opaque whenever any window touches it? You have just been talking about how it makes sense when a window is maximised and I agree, but there are other circumstances where windows may touch the panel. Is this intentional?
Also, have you considered filling the width when a window is maximised? It looks kind of odd, when you have the panel set to minimal width and then you maximise a window and the panel gets opaque, defloats, has no gap between it and the window, but there's a chunk of wallpaper visible left and right.
I have full transparency in Xfce. Solid color settings then custom. Bring down the opacity on the image color, by moving the arrow to the left.
I'm a Plasmazoider! I have multiple panels and am used to using them. It's a great thing to have.🐧
Non-rhetorical question: where does the demand for being able to place panels in the middle of the screen come from? What sort of user experience does this cater to?
Cool comparison video.
Also, what is the panel name 14:38? It looks cool.
it's the plasma panel with the fluffy theme!
"They're just standing on the shoulders of plasma versions that came before."
My gripe with the current Plasma panel is that it doesn't work quite right on vertical. Some widgets don't fit when added to a vertical panel.
All I want’s is “intelihide” in KDE panel.
meh, one day you will even convince me to try out kde again with these nice videos ^^
I actually like one panel on left only as my display is 16:9 i think it should be more restricted than free like in kde like where things can be placed
Well, is Plasma Panel editing UI still relevant and convenient, compared to counterpart implementations?
Wallpaper settings placement has been a tabu in KDE land until now, while every DE in the world was offering it in System Settings.
Isn't it also the case for Plasma Panel settings indeed? Shouldn't be better to get rid of the one-of-a-kind editing interface and spot it as a System Settings page?
I've used xfce for years, and I love it. It's become second nature to me. Every once in a while I take a look at other DEs... but I always return to xfce. It's lightweight, and I know exactly how to make it do exactly what I want. I like diversity, but once it's time to choose from the many options, xfce it is for me.
Xfce is very solid.
Plasma shell can be at parity with Cosmic if they adopted a tabbed interface for panels. The tabs don't even have to be full-width either; they can just be small buttons in a padded grid where if you click on any of these buttons you'll change to that panel within the same space. If implemented, everything in the current panel would have to be moved into this new sub-panel as the zeroth option.
This would also provide an opportunity to add colour-coding, and to have the currently-selected panel in the panel selection grid be the same colour as the active panel, to represent that option being the one which is selected in a way that would be compatible with the Plasma design language.
So I have a question why is kde so laggy on my ryzen desktop. It stutters and has weird issues.
Ryzen 7 3000 series
64gb ram
Ssd x4
Rtx 5500 xt
Stock kde I have tried on
Chachy os
Nobara os
Crystal Linux
In all of them kde has been laggy sluggish or just plain funky. The behavior gets worse once you pick a theme.
KDE Plasma is currently my favorite desktop environment by far (I also like Hyprland, but with it being only a window manager, setting it up to be as useable as a full DE is slow and tedious) but Cosmic looks so good that I'm considering switching once it comes out.
Using pop os for 2 years and never look back, number one selling point that drag me in was that as a busy dev I didn't have much time left to custom setup everything, then found pop os with tiling out of the box and Alfred like powerful search and a whole lot of things set up within the installation. I am a rust dev currently and the way I see it cosmic is the future to rule them all, if anyway I can contribute to the core team to integrate ai too within cosmic to automate a lot of boring tasks. 😊
A big addition will be adding panel's option to be shown only in the new overview .
wow! cosmic is really shaping up well. it reminds me a lot of the Budgie Desktop... which is what i was using before KDE. However there is no way I can get by in KDE without Latte panels. It's so important. I can get 90% or 95% there with Latte and 3rd party widgets. So the last 5%-10% is just seems broken.
Hope you can improve the native KDE Panels over time. However I will still want to keep using Latte for a long ways. Unless it blows up or explodes... which unfortunately does happens fairly often. But i still love KDE! For all of it's comprehensive features, including everything in the settings. It is so much ahead of other Desktops. And by a long way. All of the many stuff that can customized (other than the panels, things like keyboard, custom actions, hot corners, application switching, and many other advanced features).
But the very worst thing that happens in my latte panels is that... when i click on some certain widget(s). Then it can crash or freeze. And then the whole latte becomes frozen and crashed too.
And i cannot for the life of me get latte or kwin to restart properly. I run some obscure commands. But it does not restart itself. (not without logging out the user). So it would be nicer to have a *proper* feature implemented to manage all those restarting reliably. For both kde (kwin) and latte too. All into 1-click button or cmdline. To be less janky.
So this is the whole thing you say in the video: when any individual 3rd party plasmoid / applet crashes. It takes out the whole panel, or the whole plasma. You say it's rare. But it depends on the specific plasmoids that have been installed. As to whether there is a dodgy one or not. So (for example) if the user has several plasmoids installed. And does not know which one(s) are causing the crashing. It can seem very jank. More visibility to which plasmoids were to blame for crashes please. To have like a red ! tooltip appear on their icon. Or a popup dialog. Or a place in the system settings, whereby there is a management of crashed plasmoids. Such that they are been listed which ones ever crashed. And to be settings that they can get auto-disabled. Or manually disabled / re-enabled or overriden. That would improve I think the user experience.
Also glad to hear the issue is not specific to latter dock... but it also has same effect onto the latte dock. That latte will then crash instead of the plasma panel, when the widget is dragged onto a latte panel... so I am not sure how it can be solved for both softwares. Without re-implementing twice (for each).
Yo, @Nicco Loves Linux!! So you're the dude who implemented the Windows Vista mechanism of making the taskbar transparent when in windowed mode and opaque when in maximized mode in KDE? That's so awesome!
3rd titled change? And huge video complaint, I have tinnitus and there was a high freq constant noise from the vid throughout. Please fix, mic settings or post processing
Hello. The plasma panels are quite nice. I have been use to XFCE and used extensively different configurations per my current workflow at the time. In the end, I just want to do the work. Personally, i have gone from XFCE to KDE full out. I find that with KDE its not just the eye candy but it is how everything works together. XFCE needs a big of a face lift. I believe today, with the power of the computers now, we don't have to worry about resources so much. So on my 10 year old laptop, I have kde running vm from my server. All vm OS' are with KDE.
I'm still enjoying very much KDE for its look, performance, and some of the apps.
Cheers
XFCE panel theme seems tied or controlled by the GTK theme which can be cumbersome at times. That's why I sometimes switch it out for Tint2 which has quite a lot of customization including using glyphs from a font pack instead of icons. It has it's bad/incomplete parts as well though. Maybe one day there will be a Tint3.
If you don't mind writing code, there's waybar & eww.
Kde is nice but the lock screen don't support different wallpapers on multiple monitors.
Just an improvement suggestion that I stepped up while testing features and it would be also a nice feature to add.
If you have a segmented panel (multiple short panels on the same edge of the screen) and you maximizes a window, the panels should fill the gaps instead of showing the background through the holes.
Fun fact I also got to know the use of other two adjusters in this video
Re processing model: the idea is that Plasmoids are created in C++ so that compilation and minimal testing will prevent most crashes. Since plasmids are created more and more in qml, that's no longer true - but the qml runtime itself will not crash, so if the qml did something bad (as ECMAScripts are known to do), you'd get a nice error in the log and a blank plasmoid - Plasma stays up and running.
Other panels that implement applets in parsed or jitted language (looking at you, GNOME shell) must use resource heavy process separation to protect against bad dynamic code (which is frankly all dynamic code: it is extremely difficult to write crash-proof dynamic code).
I'm looking forward to giving Cosmic a good try, when it's finally has a full release.
What I want is to be able to stack my auto-hide panel(currently stuck to the top of screen; groan) with the running apps to my bottom panel with the menu and tray such that the auto-hide still hides by sliding making it seem like it goes behind the main panel. Essentially I want to be able to parent panels, and a child should always be positioned next to and auto-hide under the parent.
ma la taskbar avrà mai una opzione per ingrandire la dimensione dell'icona su cui mi trovo col puntatore?
Per intederci tipo macos
No
@@niccoloveslinux come mai?
Se implementassi io il codice, potreste considerare l'idea di inserire questa opzione?
@@francescoromeo4492 non penso; richiede una complessità di codice notevole per una funzionalità molto di nicchia
@@niccoloveslinux eh lo so, ma alla fine sarei io a dover mantenere il codice
Ovviamente rispettando i vostri standard e tutto.
I might be in the minority here, but I'd really like an option to lock plasma panels and hide edit options from System Settings. Can't count the number of times I've accidentally removed a widget or deleted a panel, and the undo panel didn't prompt me to undo that action, forcing me to manually fix it. A lock and/or the ability to hide the edit options would fix this.
Add full transparency option
You could implement the easy stuff that are probably just number values, like
Transparency percentage slider.
Auto hide timer.
Auto resizing panels, going to assume the panel already knows the size of the widgets inside it, I might be wrong.
Show/hide panel when window would touch the panel, you already have the transparency thing that detects that so...
Those things alone would make the kde plasma panels much better. The only reason I sue latte dock for is those features... and perhaps the app launcher widget, I like the dots representing open programs rather than the highlight.
You've seriously improved your production since the last time I saw your video. Good job, Niccolo!
Have you bought a teleprompter? Your eyes are weirdly fixated on the camera :)
Thanks! And yepp I did, I hope it's not annoying
@niccoloveslinux Nah, all's good. Really dig this more professional look. I think now your vids look better than Nick's
Wow, didn't even know that the Plasma's panel can't be showed on various screens. I'm using latte and you can specify the screens where the panel/dock will be duplicated. So it's not 1 screen or all, but you can fine tune where the panel shows up and where don't. I feel this is a very basic.
I realize, you can't maintain the panel if it gets too complex, but I still think that the default panel is just inferior to the panels in many other DEs... Always I tried it, it failed miserably. I was frustrated and confused. The sheer option to show up is just making it IMPOSSIBLE TO USE. In latte, we have "avoid active windows", in other docks, it's called "intelligent avoid or show". I just cannot belive that the default panel in Plasma just can't have it. That is the most basic thing if you want to make the panel a dock.
Awesome video, but I think using a noise reduction filter would improve the audio quality a lot - there was a pretty high-pitched whining noise throughout the entire video which made it a little difficult to focus.
I'm mostly happy with Plasma Panels as is, I just wish there was a way to have the default panel be able to show indicators as per number of open instances, instead of the ugly plus icon that doesn't even have enough pixels to render on standard dpi monitors.
The biggest advantage of KDE Plasma over any other desktop env is having you as a developer.
Long life Latte-dock
Clap 👏 7:29
Magic!
Interestingly the overlapping 'glitch' wasn't in KDE 3's panel (at least in trinity they do not overlap) so plasma's panels lose against trinity's panel as well
Plasma panels need to have widget wide transparent effect, now the option is just the panel itself, it not include anything on it and that's why i dont use transparent effect on panels.
Regarding the applets running in the same process, it's not just the crash of an applet, but also if the applet DOESN'T exist causes Plasma's desktop to die. As a long time openSUSE Plasma user, this has caused fairly nasty issues during updates if a plasmoid is no longer shipped anymore
Cough couch autohinding vertical panels between monitors.
But in all seriousness, I always enjoyed the xfce panels a lot, it was definitely something that was worse in plasma when I moved over.
Hehe, already read after the TechHut video ;)
I do like the new features in Cosmic. That being said I still plan on keeping KDE on top of it as I detest the look and use of Gnome. If Cosmic had a Plasma spin I would totally keep that DE.
0:01Is that a Wii nunchuck lmao
wii remote support when /j
I just want an easier way to backup & restore my customized KDE settings.
Display on all screens can be a nice option, but only really for top/bottom, beyond that, it kinda falls apart. I have Icons-Only Task Manager panels, with one on left of left screen, one on right of right screen. Having panels on edges between screens makes them unreliable to unhide, so wouldn't want left on both or right on both.
Having the ability to clone panels would be preferable. It is annoying presently on KDE to set up the same panel for more than one screen, when it should be easy to just "clone" one that's been set up already.
My biggest issue with plasma's panel has always been multi-monitor support. For example: pinning apps to the taskbar only pins it to one screen. Another noticable issue is that minimizing a window plays the animation in regards to the primary taskbar, meaning windows will travel across multiple screens when they minimize as opposed to minimizing into the taskbar on their screen. This leads to clunky, messy looking animations.
I love plasma as an experience, but the random idiosyncrasies drive me back to other desktop environments every time.
i think you are really hard on xfce userfriendlyness.
while i agree that the interface is menu-like/dated and can be daunting at first.
i find most of the them used to be easy to understand.
im just glad plasma panel is in good hands
Coming from XFCE, KDE's panels have been a notable downgrade for me.
More annoying to configure as they lack a separate window that lets you drag and drop more controlledly.
But the more intelligent separators and adaptive transparency have made me appreciate them more.
I don't really care for floating panels, even using one as a Mac-like dock now (Garuda Linux Dr460nised default, after having used a more standard layout).
Good to see the feature improving further though, Plasma has become my desktop of choice the past year, coming from being the least favourite I tried, due to the massive improvements in the past few updates.
No offense but latte dock beats all kde panels
Hands down agree
@@mvpuccinoyeah unfortunate it’s not actively updated anymore
Hopefully you are using the git version atleast
@croxymoc KDE should fork it and add it as an official and default app
Latte dock is very nice, but I just couldn't deal with the bugs
7:04 In my opinion there should be A LOT more of that in Plasma. I mean hiding a ton of options behind "Advanced" and "Custom" buttons. And make a cleaner UI, that adresses only what the majority of users will want to do, like Gnome and other DEs do. But keeping the full customization power a click away. That would be the best of both worlds!.
Oh...That explains why plasma is eating so much ram on my system if all the "applets" are staying in the same process.
Im literally customizing my panels now, wish intellgent autohide was here
Nicco:
Instead of focusing on minor details and petty differences please make the KDE panels much more flexible like the Windows 7 task bar. I make extensive use of the Taskbar, tool bars, and custom pop-up menus from toolbars. Take a look at these 2 screen shots:
1 ==> i.imgur.com/t0irrOo.jpg
2 ==> i.imgur.com/ibnNcE3.jpg
The task bar app buttons are set to not stack (I hate that).
In pic #1 the bottom row is a toolbar of icons shortcuts (launchers) with the icon labels hidden, but the toolbar name (Gaming Main) is shown. One row above is the "Drive Icons" toolbar which acts like the links to places/devices in Dolphin. The icon labels are displayed. The next row up is a toolbar (Custom Workset) with a series of shortcuts to specific folders in the system. The toolbar icon labels are shown. Each toolbar is connected to a folder, and the folder just has icons in them. If the number of icons or the icon labels change in the folder the toolbar automatically updates its display. The taskbar panel that has the app icon buttons will expand as the number of apps are open. The app buttons just wrap around to create multiple rows.
The labels to the right (Websites, Starcraft-2, Diablo3) are more toolbars. Instead of them spreading horizontally they are collapsed to the right so when the ">>" button is clicked a pop-menu is generated that represents the contents of the toolbar folder. The toolbars can stack because each row acts like a panel. The number of stacked panels will auto increase and decrease by expanding the taskbar vertically and adding more toolbars. The taskbar acts like a container that contains multiple stacked panels. The entire taskbar is set to auto hide when the mouse is moved away from it or the Windows start menu is exited.
Pic #2 shows the auto generated multi-layered menu coming from the toolbars on the right side of the taskbar. This is very handy because I can make a folder for a project and store all of the files and sub-folders within it. I can then make the project folder a toolbar via a simple interface, collapse the new toolbar to the right and the Windows will auto-generate the menus from the project folder contents. This allows me to get to files very quickly without the need to search. It is like having an array where I have direct access to every index.
Lastly the layout looks very busy/messy but I assure you that my time/experience playing World of Warcraft has allowed me to craft a very fast layout such that I can get lots of work done very fast without the need to search. I can elaborate further if you like.
allow to disable shadows on kde pannels, i really hate to put my pannel on top edge and see a shadow on top of my maximized window.
I likes Panel with auto hide systray icon, like KDE or LXqt,, xfce just toggle it, not auto hide,
word up, thanks nico. plasma applets are great, and KDE is famous for customizability, so, to be in last place here means there's still lots of room to improve. RMS bless KDE and the GNU+Linux ecosystems!
Every time I try another DE it’s makes me appreciate plasma more it may not be the most stable (kwin always crashes) but it’s still my favourite because of how powerful it is. 😊😁 15:45