The END of DISTRO HOPPING? All Linux distros in one single system with VanillaOS
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00:00 Intro
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01:14 What makes VanillaOS special?
03:18 Install and First Run: user friendly to the max
05:27 What are containers?
06:38 How do you install software?
10:30 How are updates applied??
11:37 Issues with VanillaOS
13:13 Is it the end of distro hopping?
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It's one of the very few Ubuntu based distributions that is immutable, and atomic.
Apart from that, VanillaOS uses GNOME, the most Vanilla GNOME they could ship on Ubuntu, and if you're looking for all the apps, you have access to containers that run other distros at native speeds, and give you access to all their packages.
The installer is something I had never seen before, it looks super good, just like a GNOME app, and will take you through the basic steps, and it even has a nice legible GUI to set up your disk layout.
After installing and rebooting, you're right into your user session, and you can pick between dark and light mode, if you want to enable support for Flatpak and AppImages, you also get to pick the apps you want to install: you have 3 sets of apps, the core ones, Office apps, and common utilities.
After that, you get the GNOME 43 desktop, which doesn't have any customization or extension.
Now the main point of VanillaOS is to offer the ability to run multiple distros on just one system, with distro containers, using Distrobox. And to manage that, you have the VanillaOS control center.
You can add an Arch subsystem to get access to the AUR, a Fedora subsystem with DNF as the package manager, you get an OpenSUSE container, plus a VOid Linux one, and one for Alpine. Or you can create your own with any other distro you want.
APX is VanillaOS all in one package manager. It lets you install applications for any source that you have access to, including all your distro containers.
The syntax is pretty easy: you just type apx install, followed by the package manager that will perform the actual install, and the package name.
For example, if I wanted to install davinci Resolve from the AUR, I could type:
apx install --aur davinci-resolve
And APX will automatically start my Arch container, and use the arch package manager to install Davinci Resolve from the AUR.
And on top of that, apps installed this way will still show up in your GNOME overview and app grid, just like if they were installed on the base system itself.
And, if you absolutely need to install something to the base system, you can, there's a preinstalled tool called ABRoot, that lets you execute a command, like running apt, since the system is Ubuntu based.
Now for updates, Vanilla OS is not a rolling release, it has fixed releases that follow the Ubuntu release convention.
Flatpaks you installed through GNOME software or the command line will be updated through the same methods. System updates are handled by VSO, for Vanilla System Operator.
This does mean you'll need more disk space: at least 50 gigs to install the system, and the root partition you don't use. Containers and applications installed in them can be updated by running apx update in a terminal.
But there are issues: as I mentioned, if you need more software from multiple sources, then you need multiple containers. This takes up a lot of space. And if your container dies, so do all your installed applications, and related user data.
The second problem is the disk space usage of the main system: sure having 2 root partitions is great for stability, but it also consumes a LOT of disk space you'll never use.
I also noticed that apps installed from containers sometimes don't show up in the GNOME app grid, and you have to run an APX command to actually add them. 
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@@TAELSDOLL more like virtualbox killer, vmware was already dead when it became impossible to uninstall
@@NoName-pe9wr "Why are you making a video now and not then?" I don't know why, but something is chronologically wrong with that statement in my head, even though I know what was meant.
How about a comparison video?
Vannila OS vs OpenSUSE MicroOS?
This could be the future of immutable Linux distros! To the Vanilla OS team: Well done with the installer!
i've never seen a member comment on here before
@@WohaoG one did, like an hour ago xD
@@FlooferLand 😂
@@cameronbosch1213 oop i thought they meant a Vanilla OS dev team member, and one (TheEvilSkeleton) commented xD
Thank you :)
Hi, Vanilla OS member here. Just to be clear, our intended goal with apx is to make it appealing, usable and convenient for developers, NOT for the average computer user at home. If someone wants to install a Linux distro easily for themselves (as a new Linux user) or for someone who knows little about computers, then this is (in my opinion) where Vanilla OS shines: we've prioritized first run experience to include almost everything the user needs by default in the installer, like NVIDIA drivers on NVIDIA systems, codecs, Flatpak with Flathub, etc. The user doesn't have to maintain the system, as Vanilla OS will take care of it automatically.
Flathub (GNOME Software) contains graphical apps, which is what the average computer user needs, whereas Apx has both GUIs and CLIs, which is better suited for developers.
Thanks for the precision!
@@TheLinuxEXP no problem, and thanks a lot for covering Vanilla OS and the wonderful feedback :)
As for the disk space, we're looking into using btrfs compression, to reduce disk space as much as possible. However, I can't guarantee if it'll be used by default in the future.
I'm a bit confused. First, you say that your intended goal is developers. But then you say that for new Linux users or someone who knows little about computers is where this distro shines. Could you please clarify to a non-Linux but curious Windows user ?
@@DavidM2002 Hello David, Vanilla OS member too here. The intended goal for apx and the fine tunable options in the first setup and installer is to provide a better customizable experience to developers and advanced/tech saavy users (i.e people using Linux already, containers, etc), whereas for beginners we have all the essentials like Flatpaks, out of the box and they can just use the defauts we have in first setup and install, manage applications graphically using GNOME Software, we also take away the update hassle for them by performing automatic updates in an schedule interval and install them atomically in the 2nd root partition (using ABRoot) and it will be ready to go upon reboot without any extra updating time to wait for it to install. So, this allows us to target the distro at both beginners and as well as advanced users.
Okay I think this will finally make me try out Linux, but can I run this using hyper-v?
The way Vanilla OS handles automatic system updates is such a refreshing experience: the os downloads the update, applies it in the background on a seperate system partition and the next time you boot up you're done, no loading bars, no waiting and you still have rock solid stable system on a very user friendly OS. This is how a desktop OS should work.
That is taken from android I think. They have a A slot/B slot and they update one after the other
There should be an option to disable automatic updates from even download, in case i simply don't want anything download unless i click download
@Damien Brown The Chrome browser even did this since the early days (bar Linux versions that use the package manager rather than the custom updater), storing the update in a separate directory until you close and reopen the browser.
How does it handle multiple updates between long reboots? Say you don't reboot for 2 weeks, and you get 3 big system updates in that time. Are they all applied on partition B as they come, or onely update 1 is applied until you reboot, then updates 2 and/or 3?
@@Flackon So last time I had my Vanilla OS VM running was on the 8th May, I booted it up again today.
I can confirm that it applies all the system updates at once in the background on the offline partition, it does take a bit more time since there are more updates to download and apply.
Apps though are updated immediately without needing a reboot, apps that are currently running and open aren't updated though and will only be updated when closed and restarted, they're flatpak auto updates.
Something to note is that nix support for apx is very unique, in that it is not a container. So you won't suffer from slow startup times, and it is great for apps like fish shell or neovim. All the apps get installed in /nix directory.
If they just integrated home manager or wrapped it (perhaps with something like fleek, or even devenv), that would be a killer feature that would take advantage of more of what Nix has to offer.
@@yelircaasi How hard is it to modify the nix default install of Nix to use home manager or fleek?
If you're able to understand the Nix Config file system - you're much smarter than most. I just want a Distro - that doesn't make me suffer - in order to use it and I don't want to devote two months learning "ConFig Files". I'm not launching 1000 computers ..... Just ONE.
@@unclefester9113Hahahah I felt that , but is needs take it to the next level I guess for literally no reason
Fedora really needs to use this installer. I know theyre reworking Anaconda and arent looking for new installers, but man this GTK4 installer is perfect for a GNOME-centered distribution.
But Fedora has other spins too. So they cant just use GTK 4 one in Workstation and use Anaconda in Spins like Everything, Plasma, Budgie, Sway etc.
@@potatogod3000 doesn't every spin already ship the GTK libraries though?
If it's about aesthetics, it makes more sense to have something that looks out of place on all but one of the spins rather than all of them.
For me, anaconda sucks ass, seriously it's unintuitive and sometimes disk partitioning doesn't work at all. Also it has issues with MacBooks apparently.
@@lorenzostavern649 yup anaconda is really confusing esp the partition table
Fedora is a semi-perfect distro but it suffer from 2 real problems:
1- Anaconda is worse than Arch installer especially in what related to hard disk partitioning 💩
2- It is supported by Redhat 👺
Vanilla OS is definitely on my list of distros I plan to try soon.
My days of hopping came to an end when I started using Fedora. As a Red Hat certified guy, it's perfect for me as well.
This right here!!! My Lenovo even has claimed support for it. The company I work for has a bunch of RHEL servers too
i stopped at endeavouros
I settled in CachyOS. But had a great run with Fedora from 35 til 38.
I begrudgingly return to Fedora lol. I try out other distros, get disappointed, come back to Fedora. Fedora eventually breaks, get frustrated, try something new, don't like new thing, go back to Fedora
So, I finished the moment when I tried Kinoite, very similar to VanillaOS, but in my opinion much better in almost everything.
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Thanks!
I've been missing the excitement of discovering such ambitious inovative projects in the Linux world lately! Thank you, Nick! Been hopping for a few years now only to find some or other distro's peculiarities that, although annoying, I would need to accept because I had already poured a lot of time in setup. This looks promising, though! However, there's always Free BSD, yeah?
The boot partition setup sounds nice, especially since that seems to be a more open approachable way to do what macOS has done recently with making the base OS read only, which has significantly improved the stability of the already stable OS.
Also that installation process looks quite nice!
The first time I'd heard of that method of updating was Google Chrome, who also use it in Chrome OS and Android via squashfs as the boot partitions. It's great to see the concept expanding beyond just Google, as it's a relatively simple solution to reduce the risk of updating. Windows even has it somewhat, when doing an annual Feature Update (that is essentially a full new build of the OS), but only keeps the previous build around for 10 days rather than permanently. I've even seen it in the firmware for the network switches and access points at my workplace, with Cisco Meraki switches downloading the updated firmware and installing it to the offline firmware storage, and then rebooting into the new firmware in about a minute, and then immediately going back to the old firmware if the new firmware crashes for any reason.
Great showcase video. Thanks Nick.
I plan to daily drive an immutable Linux distro for a while and was just getting ready this moment to install Fedora Kinoite. Think I'm going to rather give VanillaOS a try now.
The fact that VanillaOS integrates Nvidia drivers is a big plus.
Vanilla OS is more than just an Ubuntu-based distro. It's an actual collection of so many distros in one spot! Thanks VanillaOS Team! I'll be sure to try it soon.
So, in other words, it's for people who like "Pick 'n' Mix Sweeties" Linux - they are not willing to put in time and effort to do research to choose one Linux distro that suits their needs but instead insist on "a bit of everything" instead? Do those same people not understand that this just adds complexity to Linux, which means more likelihood of something going wrong?
its just containers slapped together. on that reasoning i can have all linux distros on windows with containers also lol.
Yeah, ikr?
@@marmadukemontague4081 There it is, the first Linux gatekeeper for the VanillaOS.
It would be nice to have a dedicated video to Fedora Silverblue as well, which does a similar thing except has had the benefit of being around for a bit longer and therefore being a bit more mature. It's also the biggest immutable Linux distro out there.
Still, VanillaOS is looking very interesting, and the graphical integration with Distrobox seems very cool, and better fletched out (from a user-facing perspective) than Toolbx in Silverblue. I wish they'd adapt an ostree approach as Silverblue does, as it really keeps the base system clean and revertable, but I will definitely keeping an eye open on VanillaOS.
I like the "Why pick one when you can have them all?" concept of Vanilla OS. I'll have to consider it.
That's not the case with DE's. While I prefer gnome, that cuts the already small user base in half.
I feel like having multiple containers for different repos is unnecessary. Do we really need an "all in one" solution? I only came across one application (CLI utility) not in the aur, so I added it myself. There's also flatpak.
I like the idea of using different partitions for safety with updates.
I've been loving the ideas behind this. Been looking at Universal Blue as well. I've never been more excited for what the future holds. It needs work, but my hope is this will significantly reduce configuration drift on a system that's been running for years.
I just installed Vanilla on my Toshiba laptop. Problems right from the start. Will not recognise the wifi. Will not scale the display, so fonts are microscopic on a 4k monitor. could not install apps via terminal. etc. Vanilla needs to improve.
They are going to change lots of things in the next release, so itis likely that this video will need a remake
Probably, yeah
Seems interesting, but I'll wait this one out until version 2.0: it seems with base distro change they plan to change way more than different ubuntu LTS releases change. Like the whole ABRoot will be changed according to the roadmap: `We are working on a new ABRoot version which use OCI images instead of the package manager.`. It feels like whole backend in vanilla os 2.0 will change. Not gonna risk it.
Yeah it will need another look when that’s out
Yeah I agree. I'm probably going to give this distro a try once the version 2.0 comes out.
What I find quite weird is that Ubuntu 22.10 goes eol next week, and Orchid is nowhere near ready, so all installations will just be running an eol release for god knows how long...
Thanks for highlighting this intriguing distro! I hadn’t heard about it before your informative video.
The splintered Linux eco-system has been a blessing of freedom, but a curse of splintered fragmentation - especially on the desktop. In the server room, things had coalesced much more, and arguably that’s one of the key differences in adoption rate differences. The VanillaOS approach is really interesting in how it tries to combine the best of all worlds. If the VanillaOS team can make the hardware driver layer work really smoothly, then they may have a chance to become a real difference maker. I wish them well!
Nope, I'm not distro-hopping. My initial path was: Ubuntu->Xubuntu->Mint->Manjaro and that was in the first year. Once I switched to Manjaro, broke my install 2 times, found out how it works, I am staying on Manjaro 8 years. You heard it correctly - 8 years on the same system install and see no need to change it in the foreseeable future. I'm using testing branch, which works better with AUR and I have things a bit quicker than stable version.
Merci pour le test 🙏
C’était complet et juste. J’ai passé un super moment !
Des bisous 😘
Merci 😏
Hey, please can you tell me which kernel version comes with the newest vanilla OS? Can't find the info anywhere. And if I for example use an Arch Container does it use a different arch specific kernel then or to how much of a degree is the container rootet in the Vanilla OS Kernel? Weird questions I think but my understanding of linux things is limited. For Context: I am trying out one of the new intel arc graphic cards which work very well for me on lets say POP OS with Kernel 6.2 so I must know if I should consider vanilla also
Thank you for reviewing this distro. Its nice to see influencers actually using their reach to actually help others. I hope this eventually becomes the de facto standard for linux for noobs instead of ubuntu or manajaro.
whats wrong with manjaro?
@@ZoldyckKillua the devs are always screwing things up regarding updates. They have a delayed update schedule that tends to break things you install from the AUR and also forgetting to update ssl certificates atleast 4 times. Worst is pushing manjaro for ARM macbooks but not crediting or informing the asahi linux devs and pushing broken kernels to users. Their worst infraction is overspending to purchase a laptop for a dev, and forcing the treasurer to exit.
I've been following the project for a few months. Glad to see it getting attention, especially from you !
I did not know bottles had gotten to native performance, thanks for the info.
I'll most definitely consider it once I figure out how to make custom widgets for linux DEs, similarly to Rainmeter on Windows.
Conky can do wonders if you like to spend hours in config files.
Actually I am just using KDE Plasma Widgets that are pretty good and easy to set up.
Nowadays using wine GE/proton for games can get you even *better* performance than windows due to Linux being so light
A distro similar in essence to this is bedrock linux , you should make a video on it even though it's not fully finished yet
I distro hopped for less than a year. I landed on Arch with KDE, via EndeavourOS, and that's all I need. 🐧 There is no such thing as the perfect distro out of the box, and once you install all of your favorite programs, and set them and the OS up for your workflow, it sort of becomes your own distro. KDE Plasma gives me so many options and so much control, I haven't explored all of it in the 10 years I have been using it, and it just gets better with every update.😛🐧
AUR
@Dustter Also!! Endeavour is really great!!
Damn @@sivuyilemagutywa5286 how did u do it
same right now is the longest I ve stayed on Linux, endeavor is great
@@BankruptGreek Last time I used windows (Setting up my dad's computer) I hated it more than ever before! The difference between the Windows way (Squished into Microsoft's tight box), and the Linux way (Your way) is huge if you have used Linux exclusively for a few years, like I have.
I really wish there was a kde version
2:11 "How can you operate a computer if you can't modify the system? Good news is you can! But you shouldn't." What a roller-coaster of emotions. 😄
😂
Honestly I’ve stopped distro hopping and now am into desktop environment hopping. I used to when I wanted the latest version of certain things and moved to fedora, then got them but some other things I used were ubuntu specific, now if I want latest things I install with flatpak, snap or appimage, honestly I’m happy with pop os now
That's where everyone who's new to Linux should start in all honesty.
The average user isn't going to care if they're running something based on Debian, Arch, Fedora if they all look and feel the same.
Desktop environments are the bulk of the user experience. Somebody might wind up thinking they dislike a whole distro when they really only dislike a DE.
hyprland ftw
I agree, at first i was distro hopping then settled to fedora kde then other de's and I actually hated gnome but transitioned when fedora released the new workstation 😂😂😂. Didn't expect i would love gnome.
I still don't understand distro hopping. It's literally like buying a new house just because you don't like the color of your room.
@@l4kr If you are getting a new house for free, why not? Although there is still work needed to be done, even if the house itself is free.
Thanks for always being a great source of news!
You’re welcome!
Can you also test blendos and make a comparasion with vanilla os?
I think apx is great, but I like Silverblues OSTree or NixOS's declarative configuration more than VanillaOS's ABRoot, because they ensure that even if you install once and then update your system for the next 3 years, it's still identical to a system installed fresh yesterday.
That said, transactional update is way easier to understand than configuration through rpm-ostree or nixos configuration.
I think ABRoot is more of an alternative to offline updates and Timeshift.
Next version of ABRoot is also using OCI image afaik. So, things are changing.
A problem I run into is a package isn't available so I try to compile it from source, but that requires a ton of other unavailable dependency packages that might break the system, using older versions of those packages. I guess this has the advantage that you can just break a container leaving the rest of your OS intact.
Yeah absolutely!
Im sorry for asking but I'm new to Linux and wanted to ask what you're using for the footage at 0:04 because I really like the interface of that. is it GNOME?
The Bottles guy is one the most talented Linux folks alive. Will definitely be trying out this distro
Linux really needs a more universalized package manager, because the problem that you mentioned is also could available on popular distros too.
A great idea. Good luck with that. RPM and DEB are entrenched. I give my vote for flatpaks.
VanillaOS seems way more interesting than I initially thought! I might give it a try next time I need to reinstall my laptop, which currently runs Fedora.
Also, the best installers I've ever seen before this were already on Linux. This one seems like the best one so far and therefore the best desktop OS installer of any OS!
That Kernel partion that Vanilla creates looks interesting but I wonder how the installation handles if you are doing it on Proxmox Containers with Docker
Interesting, ambitious project: making it possible for one distro to benefit from all Linux branches. Certainly one to watch. Thank you for the review
VanillaOS looks very interesting. I used to distro-hop about once a month, until I found Arch 😉
if vanilla os gets a kde spin I would try it out.
Kde is bloat and buggy
@@tapioca_santiago My problem with gnome is that it doesn't have features on wayland that I want or need, like global shortcut keys, variable refresh rate and "allow tearing" protocol, plus I want to customize my desktop which can be done much easier on kde, and something for you is bloat for someone else it's something that he needs which can only work if it's implemented in to the DE, one reason can be for why gnome is less buggy is because it's backed by companies which allowed them to have full time employees which kde didn't really had, and it's show that the current kde is not that buggy like how was it few years ago.
Good news - it will! Eventually… The next version of Vanilla is made more modular to be able to offer spins, and very likely KDE will be the first one.
@@tapioca_santiago ok and?
Very interesting video. Always enjoy your content. Keep it coming
Where can you find the disassembled joystick boards?
I hope VanillaOS team add another light DEs ISOs like (Enlightenment DE), LXQt or XFCE to this distro or add options to choose it in the installer step👍🏼
You will be able to build custom images manually in next version of Vanilla OS. If you want a spin with a different DE, make that happen.
And then you have messy os.@@TheGameMakeGuy
Windows -> Ubuntu (few months)-> Elemantary OS (over a Year) -> Windows (+- 3 years)-> Fedora (a few months)-> Pop OS (Few months) -> Arch (+- 4years). Once I learned how things worked in linux, its realy hard to use other distro that are not Arch based. So I use Arch btw
I use linux from scratch btw
I would like to try this distro. But with all the containers, any idea what's the recommended minimum disk size required? I only have 2 * 256GB SSD in my laptop, one for Win 11 and the other for Linux.
This is sweet, the container as os approach.
Fed up with the setup? Just delete it and rerun the install scripts, but app data is maintained with maybe things like symlinks etc
Really interesting approach!
"There are 20 standards. Too many! Let's integrate the best of those and release our own! There are now 21 standards."
The set containing all sets.
I'm new to Linux, just started trying out different distros a couple of weeks ago. Ended up with Fedora Silverblue on my main Desktop and Vanilla OS on an old laptop to test things parallel to fedora. Btw. I don't see a contradiction in aiming both for newcomers & and users who just want their desired software to without any hassle work (regarding Linux I'm fit in both categories:)) users and programmers as both, with different reasons behind it, have a strong interest in just having a running system and an easy way to roll back if things don't work for some reason...
Generally I would have properly gone with Vanilla OS as I like the way their immutability works better among some other differences. However, as I read through the changes planned in the next release, I decided to wait for 2.0 Orchid. I always keep the system changes and software packages I use as minimal as possible, so hopping will not take too much time:)....
About the opensuse steam, does it because we have to instal the driver on the subsystem?
So would you recommend this for a brand new newby, still learning about Linux?
Maybe I'll give this a go sometime soon. But I won't make the mistake of ditching my current install, I'll back that up this time as I've been disappointed so many times in the past when trying new distro's or systems.
Also skeptical about the no overhead perf loss; find that hard to believe. (even flatpak has overhead due to seccomp)
blendOS vs Vanilla OS? What do you think guys?
Would I be able to install my own drivers? I kinda need it because my WiFi driver can only be found in the AUR.
Can you install vanilla OS without any container partitions, and then later on add in or add more space to one of the container distros?
As an alternative, consider universal-blue, a project aiming at providing customized immutable Fedora images (think Fedora Silverblue, but with all the stuff you might want to use added in, including optional nvidia drivers). There are images available for lots of different desktop environments. Personally, I helped with the Cinnamon one. The images set you up for automatic updates, so you really don't need to think about your system at all, and they help you get started installing flatpaks.
So universal is closed source contents, portable executable, DE/WM of choice, Fedora image. But it lacks the main purpose of vanilla, multi-os apps
@@zXHAcKeRzXz I think the main purpose of vanilla is to make certain things easier. Universal blue comes with distrobox, which supports installing apps from different distros, but you have to set up your distrobox containers, whereas my impression is that vanilla does that for you.
@@misterdrgn5155 So basically Vanilla does all what Universal do and more, and have a "better" team behind because it's names who are experienced in multi environments
@@zXHAcKeRzXz I'm not sure why you need to be so competitive, but of course Vanilla doesn't do everything Universal does. We haven't even talked about what Universal does. To begin with, Universal Blue uses Fedora Silverblue as a base. Aside from being a well-established base (it's been around a lot longer than Vanilla OS), it provides access to newer libraries and packages. I like it because I want to support new hardware and I want to use new container software, neither of which is can be done conveniently on Ubuntu, or even on Debian Sid (which the next version of Vanilla OS will use). Beyond that, Universal is about customization. There are a bunch of images available to support different desktop environments (whereas vanilla os is all about gnome, as I understand it), and there are instructions for developing your own image, which is where things really get interesting. All that said, the next version of Vanilla OS looks intriguing, and it may also support developing custom images for different desktop environments, albeit in a different way, and I look forward to checking it out.
@@misterdrgn5155 That's the two points taht were bothering me about Vanilla I talked about in another coment. Like, every software that rely on hardware, they're basically not available on basic OS, only on bleeding edge one, who will be on container, so what about the communication layer with a guest OS? And about gnome too. It's possible to install DE/WM but I don't want to mess up too much with host OS, I want I near pristine. So yeah, I still don't know
I've tried many distros before like Ubuntu, Mint, Mate, JingOS, Xubuntu, Fedora, ElementaryOS, Parrot, and other. I really looking forward to most unique OS and completely different from other OS.
Nix os then
For example, for a hardware-based software (for example ambient brightness detector) that isn't available on Ubuntu/Debian, how would that work out? The container would be able to communicate with the brightness detector and ask the host os to modify brightness?
It seems to me like it should be possible for the OS to keep track of what package manager was used to install it. It already knows which subsystem/container to run, so it wouldn't be that much more data.
I'll wait for them to complete migration to Debian Sid and I really hope they will switch to rolling release because of that, but the idea looks promising, despite I would prefer ostree over abroot myself.
I stopped distro hopping after learning the ins and outs of Arch. I admit I have tried using a couple other distros, but it never works out and I jump right back to Arch. It has been about 5 years now of Arch and I can say I have no desire to try another distro. I know it can be temperamental, but I kind of like that. Keeps my mind working and learning.
Yeah when I switched to Linux, I went with Arch. It's been 2.5 years since I have installed it and it's been great.
you finally showcased vanilla os
i've been waiting for your coverage on that distro for a long time
He does at least mention it here half a year ago:
ruclips.net/video/KOLnaF_NPh8/видео.html
@@ActionGamerAaron yeah, I remember that video, but i was looking forward to his take on it
The only distros I've ever tried are Arch and Gentoo (I'm not counting ssh'ing into servers running Debian or Ubuntu, or using other people's Ubuntu machines). The only other ones I have seriously considered running myself are Gobolinux, Source Mage GNU/Linux, Guix System, and NixOS. Probably going to move to one of those someday, but I don't think that counts as "distrohopping a lot". I use Arch BTW
EDIT: I forgot about my GParted Live flash drive, but.. does that even count?
Void Linux has so far been the most enjoyable to use. Boot times were insane, and the responsiveness was snappier than I'd ever thought possible on that machine.
I've ultimately settled back into Arch myself, but that's only because Void doesn't use Pipewire by default and I don't want to mess with setting up audio myself.
Artix is a really good middle ground. It's just Arch with systemd swapped out for a different init system. I only ever left Artix because I didn't bother learning about anything that in depth at the time. Also of note: this and Linux Lite were the only two distros I've never experienced a problem with pulseaudio in.
Trisquel is another purely FOSS distro, if that interests you.
This could solve Linux gaming. One of the biggest problems is compatability with all of the different distros. Now, with the subsystems on Vanilla OS, devs can just pick one distro to optimize their game and it will be playable by Vanilla no matter which one they choose.
This isn't what's wrong with Linux gaming. Anti cheats, less support for native titles and DRM are the issues.
@@blvckl0tcs750 the support for native titles issue is the one being fixed here. The reason not all titles are natively supported on linux is it would take too long to make the game compatible with each distro. Now, devs can just puck one distro and optimize the game for that, and if most people run Vanilla OS or something like it, they'd be able to play the game no matter what distro the devs chose.
One of VanillaOS’ major strengths and major downsides is the fact that it’s immutable and atomic. Not all people like it and not all people will switch to it, especially considering that the concept still in its infancy on Linux.
android is immutable
@@ibnu7942 Hence why I mentioned Linux. Android is a whole another beast, and does not share its userspace with Linux.
I have always been terribly intimidated by the idea of switching over to Linux, but your videos have helped me figure out how to do things like pick a distro and set things up. So thank you! I set up a dual boot system with a new system I got and I am loving the ease of use.
don't be! me myself is now replacing my macos to ubuntu, single os. no dual boot. felt liberated!
Seems very interesting! Definitely seems promising to bridge all distros in one. Definitely gonna give it a try.
I'm getting really good at switching back to Fedora
8:00 @TheEvilSkeleton, could you please confirm whether you truly need to REMEMBER where you installed each app from if you want to uninstall? There is no better/easier way? Can this not be automated a bit?
does everything have to be done through the command line?
Nice video. I will try this out.
"I SUPPORT THE CURRENT THING" wallpaper is hilarious
Given it’s based on Sid branch of Deb. Does it receive security updates from deb team? I read somewhere only stable branch receives security updates.
Okay so, I believe the claim is that it’s Ubuntu based but they want to switch it to Debian Sid in the future.
Onto your question, Debian Sid receives updates all the time, some could potentially break things or cause bugs but they’re often patched soon after, and you can avoid installing buggy things if you’re up to date with the community (I think they have a newsletter or something).
I never used Debian unstable myself, so I can’t say how stable it would be as an immutable base but maybe they would have developers following closely what is going on, testing or avoiding problematic packages to minimize issues for end users… honestly without reading the dev team’s opinions on this it’s hard to know for sure but I wouldn’t be afraid of Debian Sid
Is there any of these immutable distros with a choice of DEs other then the big two (KDE and gnome)
so is this kinda like gentoo where you can get basically anything to work by compiling it but with binaries and no system customization?
Does it also support elementary OS? It has a lot of distro-specific apps. Also what if you need to compile something to install it for more obscure software?
Are there any DEs where my wallpaper can be active weather radar?
I installed Vanilla today and your video showed up I wanted it to be used for daily browser and RUclips for my projector in the hall and watch movies so it's perfect for me. (I don't want my OS to break accidentally because I try lots of software to improve my experience) I tinkered here and there with Aur I feel it has quite the potential to be a bridge to combine the different communities of Linux to come together and appreciate it 😀 probably... It would be great to have one Linux that can get everything sometimes.
While Vanilla OS and the apx package manager is a really cool concept, for me at least, it will never be a replacement for the likes of Linux Mint or other well established distros. I can see the value in immutable file systems but I personally don't see myself daily driving such a system.
It should be noted, for anyone who doesn't know, that the AUR isn't Arch's official repository. Technically the AUR isn't a *package* repository at all but rather a collection of package building scripts made by the community.
Excited to try this after the trasition to debian
Thanks for sharing all this info with your community.
So how does this work then? Can an application in one Container have access to a library in another Container? Also this feels like a more lightweight Version of a concept used in QubesOS which is quite interesting
Would be nice if at some point we will go fully distro independent with just GUI interface, it is a step in a good direction. And installer is the best, it is just baffling how bad all other installers looks compare to this. Nicely presented and explained partitioning and everything, and option to choose what app to install is something each distro should have. Would be nice also if one of installation step will be file manager to pick.
Mint gives all the programs I need. Can I harden (make the system ro) it as well?
Eagerly watching this great concept!!
Installing containers for other distro's looks like an extension of Boxes but with bells and whistles.
Thanks Nic 🙂
I just feel so dumb not managing to install a keyboard layout...I can do it with AUR but then it's not applied to the system, because it's not an app.
Someone know if whit the arch linux repo steam runtime works well in vanilla OS?
5:54 I would absolutely love this feature on windows. The number of times Windows just decided it was time for updates (or even worse indexing 💀) is absolutely insane.
Great!! Kudos to the VanillaOS team. 🎉
whats it like with duel graphics computers?
I agree. There's always a new cool thing to learn. Vanilla OS is one! It would be great if a rough suggestion is given for the size and type of the 5 partitions to chose from under Advance option during the install. Chrome OS Flex does more or less the same thing but automatically. It's just a matter of time Brunch or something else will make Chrome OS Flex possible to be installed (successfully and trouble free) on a partition like the Vanilla OS.
the note that the OS freezes when in a VM is not encouraging for something meant to be rock steady stable..
how does it compare to blend OS?
Looks great - Thanks for the review
Been running VanillaOS for couple of months as a secondary os on my laptop and after setting up haven't had any major problems with it only some app and container related but those are usually quickly resolved once you find the root of the problem. Might install it in my main desktop and give it a go if manage to brake it's current distro sometime in the future 😄
Curious of your opinion. A month ago you made a tier-list. Where would you place VanillaOS?
Probably in Good!
running docker-like containers for packages? perfect, retroactively fixing dependency hell! i'm curious how it works for installing drivers though, AMD only officially support Ubuntu for proprietry drivers, if i install them in an Ubuntu container, do they work system wide?
Super interesting review and distro. My main question would be around how apps in each container get updated. I assumed that the "Automatic update" setting in GNOME settings is for the Debian base, or is this also for installed apps? And what if you don't want to update an app? Interesting idea though and definitely the future!
It’s also for the flatpaks
@@TheLinuxEXP thanks Nick. Any idea how AUR apps or apps from other distros get updated? Love the channel!
How's the battery life on Vanilla OS?