Would you please mention that mint has Mate and XFCE editions, i know people who are still p.o. at mint for using Cinnamon as it had issues with graphic cards back then.
@@toma.cnc1 MATE is looking less and less like it's being actively developed. Xfce can pretty much do over 90% of what MATE could do, and Xfce is also much more customizable.
Could you make an installation guide video for various distros? P.S. I do run OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and my installation efforts have not been a complete success.
I wanna take this opportunity to admire the structure of your videos. Instead of diving directly into the nitty gritty you take your time to explain why you should switch in the first place. But it is not only this video but also many others! I really wish that I found your channel back when I started with Linux. Keep it up! :)
Debian 12 stable in combination with Flatpaks and Distrobox, works great for me. Only negative is their outdated Installer that can be a little confusing for newer people.
+1 for Debian. As long as you know roughly what you're doing, it just works; and very consistently. Linux Mint Debian Edition is great for people that don't know what they're doing.
1:50 - Why would you not just use Ubuntu and remove the things that you don't like in it? *_Proceeds to completely remove Ubuntu and installs Arch Linux instead_* - OMG, you were right! That was a fantastic piece of advice! Thank you!
Arch is a pain in the ass if you're a developer who uses Yocto, a lot of SDKs etc. Almost everything is tested against Ubuntu and it just makes life easier to run ubuntu. I don't have the time to LARP as a sysadmin while also trying to develop stuff.
No one here is talking about arch. Set the arch elite tards.. If people want it more of a challenge just to try to use their computers, they would install arch. For those who actually wanna get things done sometime this century. What's out massive headaches? They use distribution such as LMDE or Linux mint.
@@motoryzenI just want to get things done and not have to manually install apps so I use Arch. The installation and usability got streamlined a ton nowadays it's just as easy to set up than any other distro
I quite like PopOS for its "just works out of the box" experience, you can tell a company that sells hardware put the effort to smooth and polish things. I just wish it supported secure boot like Ubuntu, and perhaps also TPM-based LUKS encryption (to my knowledge no Linux distro yet offers the seamless Bitlocker experience in Windows).
Tbh TPM-based LUKS encryption looks like a gimmick to me. Now you rely *entirely* on the login screen to protect your (unencrypted) data, an it's doesn't add anything meaningful to the table security-wise. Remember that regardless of the encryption type you use, anyone can just open your laptop and access your data if they know your password. TPM-based encryption doesn't change that. But it puts your data at risk if the login screen has some kind of security flaw. I'd be really interested to know why you're interested about TPM-based encryption though, maybe I'm missing something here ?
@@gottago1258you Ubuntu repo or popos? Ubuntu repo can be changed but not popos. Because of that I didn't continue using this distro, the update was very slow
I tried POP last year and did not like the experience at all. It was not broken, I just didn't like it. I am a Debian user for the last few years. CentOS7, Fedora and Manjaro for a few years before Debian.
I chose Zorin 16 as my first distro back when it was still new. Really good distro. A cool thing it does is installing wine automatically when you try to open an .exe. It let me enjoy the linux desktop without going through terminals and commands the first few months of which is appreciated. The themes are really nice too. When Zorin 17 finally releases, itll be the main distro ill recommend to other people
How painful is it to get a newer version of the Linux kernel installed? That was a bit of a pain on Mint if I'm remembering correctly, when I was troubleshooting game performance issues that might have been more Cinnamon related in hindsight.
I have reduced the number of Distros i use to Mint and Tuxedo. This is because they are the most stable distros I have tested in the last 5 to 10 years. Keep up the good work Nick!
People wouldn't complain about snaps so much if Canonical actually fixed the major issues with them vs something like Flatpaks, especially when it comes to the amount of space they take up on your drive. That was one of the main things that drove me absolutely nuts when I had Kubuntu.
I've been a MINT User since 3. Love It, I Tell Everyone like a Hopped Up Arch User lol But Debian 12 is Beautiful, I've been using it as my daily Driver for a Month, running Retro Games, Countless VMs MsDos-Win11... Love It! Debian 12 5 Stars
@@MotownBatman Do note there's a kernel update tool in Mint's update manager though. Also the Debian repos will only be newer until Ubuntu 24.04 is is released and Mints rebases on it.
14:10 Important to note: do not uninstall snap, only the apps you don't want as a snap (like Firefox). Going into the future, Ubuntu may ship some parts of the OS as snap. Things like the printing stack (CUPS) and the kernel and GRUB if you opt into their *experimental* TPM-based disk encryption.
I like how they just forgot ubuntu is a mere linux distro where people could just fork it off, and then go straight to the microsoft style, pushing the garbage they wanted without even caring about whether you liked or not
I used Zorin as my daily driver for a couple of years, but alas the lagging behind eventually got to me and I've been distro hopping for the past year. I love the Zorin OS interface --I wish they would stop pacing everyone else by about two years or so.
Very true and I just laughed when that happened at my uni as I gone with Linux Mint Xfce on my VM instead of Ubuntu. Others were suffering the lag-fest that is vanilla Ubuntu desktop on GNOME. At one point I had to screenshare my terminal window on a class and some got suprised my VM with Mint Xfce was not lagging to heck LOL.
@@ptzzzdude I run gnome45 with encrypted compressed zfs backstopped by Ubuntu repos on literally every computer and vm I have (which require a desktop) You can run all that on a core2duo MacBook with 2gb of ram and no 3d graphics drivers perfectly fine. There is a driver called virtio-gpu which enables fast 2d acceleration and it's associated packages can enable 3d acceleration (on Linux guests, macos doesn't have the same internal driver for the virtual GPU) A poorly configured vm will have terrible performance on any system. It sounds like your teacher didn't really know much about Linux or it's associated technologies. I have not used xorg for like 2 years, Gnome is incredibly lightweight and optimized. I understand that learning a new workflow can be difficult and using a de that resembles windows (such as cinnamon) can make using the system in the beginning easier for people transitioning Mint and many of the further spin offs have derped many of the optimizations, qol improvements, and feature tweaking that the Ubuntu team have brought into the core packages You get a new dkms Nvidia driver every 5 releases and it always works and always builds The package repos have some of the newest audited versions, while still considering the reliability of the system. Apt will resolve all of your dependency problems if you just use it properly (For reference; my workstation has a zfs pool pushing around 12-14GB/s, a massive ARC, literally my root filesystem get put into ram, then an portion of ram gets made into a ramdisk to be used as a render cache to allowing swapping rather than forcing rerenders, then about 50-55GB of project data gets dumped into ram as well, Nvidia and Radeon graphics rendering simultaneously, -- like my entire computer is basically running off a ramdisk that is transparently backstopped by storage the user never notices--- all of this is done on an Ubuntu based system created by the debootstrap utility available on any os with apt installed) I wouldn't even consider this on any other base, save for rhel and I remember the press release for the warty warthog alpha announcement... So no hats for me....
After 16 years due to some uncertainty about openSUSE that was handled terribly by them on Reddit, I went to POP OS. They maintain an up-to-date kernel and video drivers. No snaps, and flatpak repo is added by default. Has Integrated tiling. Beautiful! I think in some part the new Cosmic DE will use gnome components underlying for example I've been advised on another Nik channel gsettings set and dconf write will continue to work.
@@basilcat3111 I tried it but seemed useless for multi-user as /usr/bin/firstrun cannot be disabled and by default flatpaks are installed per user ( not system wide ) which means if one wants a multi-user environment then disk storage requirements could become massive. I guess I could change freedesktop policies file but straight away as can be seen this means not out-of-the box. Also, Tumbleweed is not as stable - is not at least as consistent as folks think and again it can't really be used in multi-user for reasons of it's own - such as when using an LDAP server for authentication a user must be able to set own wifi connection and one occasion the Atheros WIFI adapter was broken on a kernel ( I reported ) but that was already in the current Tumbleweed snapshot). Sure I can reboot to earlier kernel but what if I was using a systems management tool for update and my remote user didn't know what had happened. I think SUSE shafted the community here realising Leap can be corporate deployed without income to them so it seems Micro OS isn't really a replacement it's more of an ALP community experiment.
Great video! If you are taking a step back and talking about Debian (and Debian-based distros), I would say MX Linux is an excellent choice for the average Desktop user. You can choose among the main desktop environments (excluding GNOME), gets a stable system with a good degree of custom made software but still midweight.
For me, and I have tried quite a few distros, PopOS does not have a rival if you want your computer to "just work": - Works flawlessly out of the box. Best hardware support I have experienced in any distro by far. - Most defaults are useful, no need to spend much time setting things up. - Reasonably up to date software (currently 6.4.6 kernel, pipewire 0.3.79 as examples) - Updated frequently - Great statibility (mine never broke) - Current DE is good enough, but next CosmicDE version will be big (but this is personal taste).
Debian stable if you want a rock solid distribution with virtually no breakages. But If you want a rolling release then just go with Debian Sid which possibly offers more stability than Arch itself!
The guy who does the OpenSUSE Gecko Spin now does a Debian called Spiral Linux. Worth a look - he has integrated Suse's Snapper Snapshot & Image Rollback into the GRUB menu which is about as good as it gets for continuity after ( not likely in Debian but possible ) update which broke the system.
Arch with BTRFS and snapper is pretty good. If an update breaks it, just roll back to a previous snapshot and check why the update broke the system. That said, if you stay away from AUR (or know what you're doing...), Arch hardly breaks if at all.
@@sharktooh76I have only touched the AUR 3 times (vscode because flatpak version is bad for me, AlienFX, and a package downgrader recommended by the arch wiki)
I'm using Debian and have been using it for a couple months now. I first used Linux on Linux Mint, and I decided to go with Debian because, as far as I can see it, it is a simple choice. I can install whatever I want later anyway.
Linux Mint -> Debian is the perfect Linux path in my opinion. Linux Mint is perfect for beginners, and once you know what you're doing Debian is very similar but with more flexibility.
I'm running Pop_OS on my System76 daily driver laptop, almost 3 years now, and it works great even if we are tied to an LTS while awaiting Cosmic. My desktop workstation is running Debian testing and that has been very stable with some KDE bugs that come and go, but nothing major. Updates are released daily, though most are tweaks to the package rather than a true version bump from upstream. Tuxedo OS looks very interesting, but I'm not interested in another re-badged Clevo so it could be some time before I have a reason to try it out.
@@anonymous_opinions1924 Overall not terrible, but when the rubber feet started to fall off the bottom the only way to replace them was to purchase new bottom metal for $90. When the battery died it took them 3 days to get back to me on a replacement and the cost was $172.43. In contrast, I purchased an exact replacement off of eBay for $77 and had it in hand 4 days later. The screen quality is lacking; a cluster of bright pixels near the center of the screen and the back light bleed is terrible at times. The power supply is of good quality, but the cord is impressively way too short to be useful. So I would summarize as good hardware quality apart from the screen and a terrible parts replacement system, both are Clevo's fault. I am looking forward to seeing the in-house designed System76 laptop come out. I did make some videos on it if you are a glutton for punishment and want to go watch them.
I would like to mention that Mint just posted a new sort of beta version of its distro based on Debian that I'm about to test when I get home actually, I'm not sure if it was rolling release as well or not, but being that it is beta, it likely isn't ancient at least
I made the switch from base ubtuntu because in recent years ubuntu has been really unstable for me, right now I'm running endeavouros and it's been way more stable for me than ubuntu ever was which given its rolling release cycle is quite ironic
PoP OS is a semi rolling release distro. I'm using LTS version and the Linux Kernel is already at version 6.4.6 while Distrowatch still lists it at 5.16.29 version. I wish it would offer more desktops like Cinnamon or KDE. Not a fan of GNOME.
I'm looking to get back into Linux after many years of not having a choice of OS. Was thinking of Mint but this gives me food for thought. Pop! looks interesting.
Ngl part of the reason I really wanna see COSMIC come out is so that Pop OS finally gets back to intermediate releases That was why I switched to it from Mint
Out of all the options, Debian and Pop!_OS are the ones I recommend the most. But personally I just use Ubuntu add support for flatpak and the flathub repo as soon as I install it. I don't mind the defeault snap apps, but any desktop app I do need to install, I use flatpak as my first choice, and debian packages as my second. If I ever switch distros, I'll have a very easy time cause of flatpaks
Mint has been described as how Ubuntu should have been. Also consider LMDE - the Linux Mint Debian Edition: most of the user friendliness of Mint, but it's based directly on Debian without any taint of Ubuntu. Disclosure: LMDE is my standard distro, and has been for years.
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"You can always uninstall snap, disable the telemetry..." Last time I tried running Firefox (installed via apt) on Ubuntu, it told me I had to install the Firefox snap. Not sure whether uninstalling snap would fix that.
Nick, too bad you didn't at least give a mention to Bodhi OS, which not only is the most high performance ubuntu based os which u can install on the oldest computers, but they also maintain a fork of the enlightenment project's desktop, which they call moksha. it is lightweight, fast, polished, and tons of configuration, if you want it. they were the first ubuntu derivative to use LTS releases as a base, way back in 2012 they were already doing that, now it's the standard for a lot of the derivatives.
That's nice, good video to recomment linux to new users. In my personal case, I want to give Void Linux a try. I'm just amaze regarding its hardware resources consumption. I'm currently using Arch, just waiting for it to break with an update to make the change 😂
Ubuntu is a good OS and their desktops a lovely but it the Snaps that spoil it. You cannot remove Snap because it breaks the whole operating system. That's why I use Linux Mint which I an using with the Kubuntu desktop on one laptop and Ubuntu Gnome on another. I have all of the features of Ubuntu as well as the Mint apps but no Snap. Ubuntu should make having Snap optional like Mint does. I don't know why they don't.
Rhino seems like the power user upgrade for a Mint/Ubuntu user who doesn't want openSUSE or Arch hassle. My issue is that it's still a bit new, but a rolling Ubuntu is pretty neat.
Debian 12 has been rock solid for me. Gnome 43 is still very usable and it looks awesome with extensions. Only issue I had was Nautilus was very laggy, so I installed Nemo.
Debian 12 uses Gnome 43. How would you describe the lag in Nautilus? There used to be a bug in GTK that caused scrolling issues in Nautilus, but it's been fixed for a while now. I wonder if Debian is missing that fix. I would personally be surprised if they didn't include the fix.
@@that_leaflet It is exactly that, scrolling feels very laggy. I open Nautilus in the terminal, and when I scroll it says "GtkGridView failed to scroll to given position. Ignoring..."
I got into a collage recently, so i thought why not go super stable, got debian and I am happy enough, flatpak of vacodium does not have close button on Wayland ,so I went for app image Can't add libcs50 repo with curl , had to compile from source Linux have once again became a learning experience for me, This is what I love about linux
For me the perfect distro would be Ubuntu with Flatpak presintalled. PopOS is kinda like this on the surface, but it must be a bit different under the hood because I managed to brake it, and that's kinda why I stick to Ubuntu, similiar story with other distros.
I like your videos. Lots of information for this non-linux-only user. I also love seeing my home state represented in some videos. Welcome to Colorado!
One point: Ubuntu Budgie does include Flatpak by default. As far as I know, it's the only Ubuntu spin that does this, which makes it my personal choice of all the Ubuntu versions.
I may be in the minority here, but I've been using Ubuntu 22.04 LTS for almost a year now and I've been very satisfied with my experience. Granted, I don't use it for much (only Maptool and web browsing and image processing), so that's probably helping its case here.
I went from ubuntu 24.04 to Pop os, just last week an im really liking it, feels very polished, an the reason i switched was hassles with nvidia drivers, but pop worked straight out box with nvidia installer.
It is the decision of each user and their taste. I think Ubuntu has done a lot for free software but the parent company (Canonical) must make business decisions for its business model. I think Ubuntu is a good GNU/Linux distribution, one of the most used, and the Snap package has improved a lot in recent years. Keep in mind that many developers choose to publish their projects directly to flatpak or snap.
In my spare time I’m testing both Alpine and NixOS with Distrobox/Podman to get Ubuntu compatibility. It’s still early and I have not yet beat the learning curve on all of these things yet so I have no recommendations at this point. I am having fun though.
I love adverts, I can't get enough of them!! I must admit I do like Linux Mint but as far as Ubuntu is concerned it does have more control over the desktop but I enjoy a challenge that's why chose Linux Mint.
Calling Linux mint challenging doesn't make any more sense than calling Biden competent. Had you said you love a challenge? And that's why you love arch, that would have made more sense.
I’m using pure Arch terminal for everything. I’m debating on going to Hyprland but Gnome is so clunky and disjointed to me; I'm not sure I could ever use it for my daily driver.
It's just the pop shell tiling that keeps me with gnome. I remember a while back dumping in tons of time into openbox or i3, I don't really have it in me anymore. I'm not a keyboard warrior or a mouse jockey so something in-between is perfect.
I think Mint go a bit far with the Snap thing, but I can understand their position. Tuxedo OS looks cool. I've been thinking of making the jump to Manjaro next upgrade, but maybe I'll try Tuxedo instead.
By going a bit far do you mean blocking the install of snap? It was because a lot of Ubuntu packages pull in snap as dependencies possibly when not expected. You can change it
I tried Debian once, it didn't work out for me as I hoped and showed me that I wasn't ready for the experience of it yet. So I went back to Kubuntu. Worked fine for me so far.
Snaps are so hated that even major linux hardware vendors don't enable them out of the box even though their os is based on ubuntu 😂. Maybe Canonical should start questioning their snap technology 🤦♂️.
I'm really quite enjoying PopOS, its been pretty solid for me. I can't really stand a lot of the Ubuntu design choices unfortunately - but you have to admit they are making a name for Linux at least.
I really think there's an overreaction to Ubuntu's choices. Ubuntu is a great distro and Canonical gives important contribution to open source solutions besides being responsible for a huge Linux presence on IoT and servers. A passionate approach to Canonical's decisions avoids seeing things on a balanced manner.
I am not a Linux user but I am interested in setting up a PC with Linux on it. I will admit a lot of the terms being used here make no sense to me. No idea what snaps is I assume it an app store that is controlled by the Canonical company. I think for me what I am looking for is a Linux system that will support Steam and all the games I play, plus Social Media, and have a good and robust office system like Open Office. It would be great if all of these distros could come together to create a consolidated base system . If we are to have people move away from Windows we need a really solid option.
You got it right, Snap is basically an app store (and software distribution technology) created and controlled by Canonical. Many people dislike it because the Snap Store is not open-source, Snaps are slower than "normal" (read: "legacy" / deb) packages, and Canonical is forcing users to install Snap packages even when they explicitly try to install the deb version through the command line. About social media, all major web browsers work on all distributions, so you won't have a problem with that. About office work, you should know that Open Office is a dead project and has been replaced by Libre Office, which is basically a much newer version of Open Office. Both Firefox and Libre Office are pre-installed on most beginner-friendly distributions. About gaming, Steam is available on Linux, and many Windows-only games now work very well on Linux thanks to Steam's "Proton" compatibility layer. You can check the compatibility of your games on protondb.com. Other tools exist for games outside of Steam. I generally recommend Linux Mint as my #1 choice for novice Linux users, but if you want to use Linux primarily for gaming or your have very recent hardware, you may want to check a distro that has a newer kernel and drivers, such as Ubuntu 23.04 (*not* 22.04 LTS), Pop_OS, Fedora, or Manjaro.
Adding to @Blueeeeeee 's perfect comment: Manjaro is not a newbie friendly distro. Not as nuts as Arch... but no newbie distro. Stick to the others they recommend. Like Mint! Specifically the Debian edition, LMDE 6 "Faye", I would say.
I know is not ubuntu or debian based but fedora is one of the best distros to migrate from ubuntu, since it has the newer stuff. It has some small issues but they are fixable, mainly you have to manually enable proprietary repos, tweak dnf, and install drivers. It can be done in 5 - to 15 minutes following a guide but I wished they were more pragmatic and offered an easier option during installation, even debian offers that option now -__-
It's because the base (Debian Stable) used for all of these uses relatively old packages (it gets feature updates no more than every two years). While this can be somewhat mitigated by using Debian Testing as a base (this is what Ubuntu does), this is actually pretty hard to do without causing issues. Debian Testing is a lot more broken than people think, and sometimes it takes them a long time to solve issues. Currently what you're talking about pretty much doesn't exist. If you like vanilla GNOME and aren't okay with older packages, Fedora is probably the best option; though Debian-based stuff is usually a lot nicer for a multitude of reasons.
@@anonymous_opinions1924 yeah, that's what i do, I know that debian would be great for what i use linux for but I really love vanilla GNOME so i just use fedora, i've never used debian testing and from what i've heard stuff breaks in it a lot so it's not a viable option for me. It's just ironical that the DE that's most recognized (at least by people who aren't serious powerusers) with Debian is GNOME, and not one distro offers vanilla GNOME with debian.
Running Ubuntu default daily build 23.10. Super nice, fast and haven't had one crash so far. Cononical at least are making decisions and actively develop the base and it's environment to make things better. I personally really like default Ubuntu and think they are doing a great job. If I don't want drama I simply install Ubuntu.
Just a heads-up, any distribution that doesn't rely on Snap will be faster. Also "Cononical at least are making decisions and actively develop the base and it's environment to make things better" - I'm not sure what you mean here, but don't be fooled into thinking other distributions aren't actively improving and contributing to the broader Linux ecosystem. I can't speak of the others on this list, but Linux Mint is certainly the most user-centric project I have seen in my entire life, and Pop_OS will probably have a big impact on the Linux world once their Cosmic desktop is finished.
@Blueeeeeee Mint isn't user centric anymore. They don't seem to listen to their users; many wanted KDE Plasma to remain as a DE option (that led Feren OS to use KDE Plasma instead of Cinnamon) and many users want Cinnamon to have Wayland support, for years now. Both have been ignored; even Wayland seems to be an issue for the team.
@@cameronbosch1213 Kde can still be installed, they just didn't have the resources to officially offer it as a flavor. Also Wayland has released as experimental and will be ready soon.
Just one note about the firefox thing: Mozilla ASKED Canonical to distribute firefox snap and not the deb... For whatever reason. Amazon thing? Well yeah fucked up but like a decade ago. I don't use Ubuntu because it kinda reminds me of Windows with the snaps being kinda forced still and the fact that canonical really cares more about the server side nowadays rather than desktop.
Ubuntu (and its variants) bricked my system multiple times along the years. Fedora on the other hand has been rock solid. I still don't get why so many people are in love with Ubuntu when better alternatives exist. I get it was easier to get into linux 15 years ago (I myself started to use linux as main OS in 2008) but honestly times have changed since then.
The only problem i have with modern gnome is that its a resource hog and is coded poorly. If they could reduce the overhead and make it lighter while keeping the same design, i would absolutely love to use it.
I still use Ubuntu 20.04 on my systems but I am planing on moving distros once support ends and Debian has kept coming to mind because every other OS I like is technicly based off Debian already so Debian would be a lightr weight version of those distros and I can just install what I like about those distros after boot. I mostly like Cinimon DE so I will just make a lighter weight Mint with a few things its missing out of the box by 2025.
Ubuntu is where I started on Linux 3 months after the release of Windows 10. From there I went to Chateau Linux. When that died I went to Peppermint. When that died I went to Mint Mate, and have been there ever sense. I installed Linux Lite for a couple Linux newbies as well, after I found they were somehow still on Windows Vista in the mid 2000s.
It's not an Ubuntu based distro but sparky Linux is debian based you can get most any desktop just install sparky minimal GUI then from app center goto desktops and pick your favorite and you can get most Ubuntu apps (for desktop choose cinnamon , kde, gnome shell, gnome flashback , CDE , i3 , awesome, enlightenment or One of a dozen others.😊
Removing snaps and disabling telemetry is exactly what I did when I installed Ubuntu two months ago. Using Ubuntu till I can get the hang of something like EndeavourOS or Fedora (my favourite distro) gets the kernel issues resolved.
I personally installed KDE Neon on my computer this afternoon. I've been using Kubuntu for a little bit, but I liked using Bismuth. Which sadly kept crashing Kwin. The reason I chose Neon is that it is basically Kubuntu but with a more updated plasma version. That being said I never really looked into Tuxedo OS. Is there any advantage to Tuxedo OS over KDE Neon?
One of my personal favorites, Sparky Linux. I know it isn't Ubuntu based, rather more of Debian based, but, it can be modified a bit easier than Debian and is very cool in its self.
Its insane that I was just testing Rhino Linux in a Boxes VM yesterday. I didnt know it had apt. That being said it crashed after I pressed the update button and rebooted. They still have ALOT of work to do.
I really like the NEW mint-- IF-- I F they would come up with some way to do AUTO-TILING (like the pop shell does for gnome or BISMUTH does on kde)..then it would be PERFECT..
I installed mint cinnamon and vanilla gnome. Works well. Realised I prefer nemo to nautilus or even dolphin. Only odd thing is if using fingerprint unlock the first unlock doesnt’ open the user properly so goes to first boot mode.
Good presentation. However, you missed Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE). Debian with the Mint system environment including Cinnamon. You can still load Gnome DE if you like.
Pop-Os! is mostly fantastic IMHO, but the software GUI shop is janky, TuxedoOS is great on a Tux machine, but (personally) not a Plasma fan and if you go to another Ubuntu distro, Tomte doesn’t work unless you add their repos, which causes problems. Great video as always 🎉
@@mmstickOh cool. I wanted to switch to Pop OS just to try it out (Fedora is my distro of choice). I was wondering why the Pop Shop felt a bit choppy.
Debian12 is the new Ubuntu. You can set up your environment in Debian very easily and Nvidia drivers can be installed with single line command. My problem with pop OS is that vim is running at 0.7 while Debain itself is now shipping 0.9. Its two versions behind Debain !! Other than that I don't think any other distros in Linux come even close to a complete user experience.
@@TheLinuxEXP You see with flatpak I have type "flatpak run io.neovim.nvim" as opposed to "nvim" through apt. This is hassle although we can alias it in bashrc. Not very elegant for terminal users. Plus now we have to maintain the flatpak repos separately, with updates and unused removals et el Snaps are bad, but I don't get how someone can say Flatpaks are better than Snaps... their both so bad! :D Considering 80% of Linux user are on Ubuntu/Debain "apt" should be the default app manager and developers shouldn't bother about the rest. Arch guys can always go to the AUR, Fedora can do whatever they want.
I left the train a long time ago, my distro of choice is Nobara, I freaking love it, though my current laptop won’t let me install any Linux distro, so for now, I’m trapped on Windows 11
I kinda like how "modern" Ubuntu/Gnome looks compared to Windows or some other Linux distros. Some people don't like it, but I like consistent ui between my computer and my phone. That's why I use Zorin
After almost a year of „testing“, I would say Debian testing is fine for some not too crazy gaming and standard office work. I am really surprised why not more distros actually use debian testing as a base. After all, ubuntu is not based on debian stable, but testing.
I don't have a problem with snaps, although there are some downsides , they work. Flatpak on the other hand is a mess for some apps. I can't use any distros that use flatpaks for Nordpass cause the app simply won't run as a flatpak. On snap, it works perfectly well.
Rhino shows promise. Tried it in a VM last week. Issue after trying the update on the system took out networking stack and reverted desktop settings.. I wouldn't use it on my work laptop yet. Pop os is solid. My current distro. Pacstall works on pop too. I started Linux way back in the day on Linux mint 8 (like 2008 or 2009).. Thing is I like more modern desktops these days than mint offers. But with that said Mint is by far the best "new to Linux" distro ever made IMO.
Mint Cinnamon is my favorite, but I like Ubuntu as well. Ubuntu requires a little more work to get things going the way I like them, but both are great operating systems.
I used to be a big fan of Ubuntu. Used it daily during the Gnome 2.x days, and I did like Unity. I used my PC hooked up to a big TV, and Unity was hands down the best GUI for the TV space. Ubuntu went down the path of too many changes with point releases that I couldn’t deal with anymore. It’s like the random changes forced upon people with Windows 10 and 11. These days I use Linux Mint and Manjaro Gnome. Linux Mint is the best. It just works, and I don’t have to fight my system, like ever.
If I have to make a choice only 2 of them suits for me: Debian Testing and Tuxedo OS. Other distros are not my story. I would not agree that debian testing Is unstable, I've tried it and for Desktop usage its one of the best choices. I feel very comfortable using Debian at all (well maintained and this glorious debian feeling of freedom), stable for servers and testing for desktop. Tuxedo OS is also great choice and I see that Tuxedo knows how to maintain their distribution. I've tried it and works great. I'm going to buy Tuxedo laptop soon and I will give it a try as my daily driver on laptop then. But... I MUCH more prefer rpm distros I've chosen Nobara which is Fedora based. Well maintained by GE Team, very recent software, stable as much as fedora and a lot of gaming tweaks. But Its not only for games, I'm using Nobara over a year on both my desktop and laptop and I'm working as DevOps Engineer on them. Works perfectly.
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Would you please mention that mint has Mate and XFCE editions, i know people who are still p.o. at mint for using Cinnamon as it had issues with graphic cards back then.
@@toma.cnc1 MATE is looking less and less like it's being actively developed. Xfce can pretty much do over 90% of what MATE could do, and Xfce is also much more customizable.
Could you make an installation guide video for various distros?
P.S. I do run OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and my installation efforts have not been a complete success.
@@Soundwave142 Is OpenSUSE still under Nowell ownership?
@toma.cnc1 Novell? Haven't they been absorbed by some other company? I think SuSE is about to go private anyway.
I wanna take this opportunity to admire the structure of your videos. Instead of diving directly into the nitty gritty you take your time to explain why you should switch in the first place.
But it is not only this video but also many others! I really wish that I found your channel back when I started with Linux. Keep it up! :)
Debian 12 stable in combination with Flatpaks and Distrobox, works great for me. Only negative is their outdated Installer that can be a little confusing for newer people.
And their website. But their live images use calamares installer.
@@boringusername792 Yeah their website looks like straight out of 2005, gives Debian a bad taste even tho their distro is S tier
@@boringusername792 Haha yeah, Debian definitely has the worst website in human history 😄
+1 for Debian. As long as you know roughly what you're doing, it just works; and very consistently. Linux Mint Debian Edition is great for people that don't know what they're doing.
@@aaron284i had a heart attack setting it up on a drive with 2 EFI partitions
1:50 - Why would you not just use Ubuntu and remove the things that you don't like in it?
*_Proceeds to completely remove Ubuntu and installs Arch Linux instead_*
- OMG, you were right! That was a fantastic piece of advice! Thank you!
Arch is a pain in the ass if you're a developer who uses Yocto, a lot of SDKs etc. Almost everything is tested against Ubuntu and it just makes life easier to run ubuntu. I don't have the time to LARP as a sysadmin while also trying to develop stuff.
No one here is talking about arch. Set the arch elite tards..
If people want it more of a challenge just to try to use their computers, they would install arch.
For those who actually wanna get things done sometime this century. What's out massive headaches? They use distribution such as LMDE or Linux mint.
People don't seems to know what a joke is
@@Racsu Apparently. ;D Then again, it's 2023, so I'm more than used to it. 🤘😎
@@motoryzenI just want to get things done and not have to manually install apps so I use Arch. The installation and usability got streamlined a ton nowadays it's just as easy to set up than any other distro
I quite like PopOS for its "just works out of the box" experience, you can tell a company that sells hardware put the effort to smooth and polish things. I just wish it supported secure boot like Ubuntu, and perhaps also TPM-based LUKS encryption (to my knowledge no Linux distro yet offers the seamless Bitlocker experience in Windows).
Tbh TPM-based LUKS encryption looks like a gimmick to me. Now you rely *entirely* on the login screen to protect your (unencrypted) data, an it's doesn't add anything meaningful to the table security-wise.
Remember that regardless of the encryption type you use, anyone can just open your laptop and access your data if they know your password. TPM-based encryption doesn't change that. But it puts your data at risk if the login screen has some kind of security flaw.
I'd be really interested to know why you're interested about TPM-based encryption though, maybe I'm missing something here ?
is there a way in PopOS to change the mirros to eu based repos? update take ours with my slow internet because the us based repos
@@gottago1258you Ubuntu repo or popos? Ubuntu repo can be changed but not popos. Because of that I didn't continue using this distro, the update was very slow
@@gottago1258considering the company is based in Denver Colorado, and does the vast majority of its work in the USA, I doubt it.
I tried POP last year and did not like the experience at all. It was not broken, I just didn't like it. I am a Debian user for the last few years. CentOS7, Fedora and Manjaro for a few years before Debian.
I chose Zorin 16 as my first distro back when it was still new. Really good distro. A cool thing it does is installing wine automatically when you try to open an .exe. It let me enjoy the linux desktop without going through terminals and commands the first few months of which is appreciated.
The themes are really nice too. When Zorin 17 finally releases, itll be the main distro ill recommend to other people
How painful is it to get a newer version of the Linux kernel installed? That was a bit of a pain on Mint if I'm remembering correctly, when I was troubleshooting game performance issues that might have been more Cinnamon related in hindsight.
Would you recommend Zorin to a Zucker for pain?
now that they have an updater its will be nice ot upgrade to zorin 17 when it drops
I liked zorin, but ITS TOO FUCKING SLOW WITH UPDATES. I liked what new gnome was doing, but zorin is stuck on gnome38 i think
@@ordinaryhuman5645 Wait, isn't there a kernel update tool in the update manager ?
I have reduced the number of Distros i use to Mint and Tuxedo. This is because they are the most stable distros I have tested in the last 5 to 10 years. Keep up the good work Nick!
I just use Kubuntu with Snaps deleted and replaced with Flatpaks.
Sounds good to me! @@deusexaethera
I was once installing ROS and was unable to install on mint and KVM was not activating on mint. Then tried on PopOS, all worked perfectly
I also like POP OS, I used before Tuxedo OS (about a year) I have zero complaints, it worked well. @@Primeagen
What is your opinion on fedora
People wouldn't complain about snaps so much if Canonical actually fixed the major issues with them vs something like Flatpaks, especially when it comes to the amount of space they take up on your drive. That was one of the main things that drove me absolutely nuts when I had Kubuntu.
I don't use it on my desktop or Laptop. But I do use Ubuntu for my home media server. Setup was easy and it works fine. No complaints.
For servers it’s really simple, yeah!
I just use BlendOS cuz i like it
Linux Mint Cinnamon has served me well and kept me from having to get a new computer. Runs beautifully on an i5 Mac Mini 2012 with 16gb ram
I have just installed LMDE 6 and its very quickly becoming one of my favorite distros. Linux Mint is amazing!
I've been a MINT User since 3. Love It, I Tell Everyone like a Hopped Up Arch User lol
But Debian 12 is Beautiful, I've been using it as my daily Driver for a Month, running Retro Games, Countless VMs MsDos-Win11...
Love It! Debian 12 5 Stars
How is the Debian experience? Using mint currently and I'm willing to try a few distros before settling down
@@oladrolahola I Love Mint, but I Installed Debian 12 with Cinnamon, and Installed Flatpak.. GAME ON!
Plus you have the Much Newer Kernel
@@MotownBatman hmmm, I guess I'll dip my toes into the Debian pool before anything else
@@MotownBatman Do note there's a kernel update tool in Mint's update manager though.
Also the Debian repos will only be newer until Ubuntu 24.04 is is released and Mints rebases on it.
@@Blueeeeeee I understand this, not sure, just Seems to Enjoy the new Deb 12.
14:10 Important to note: do not uninstall snap, only the apps you don't want as a snap (like Firefox). Going into the future, Ubuntu may ship some parts of the OS as snap. Things like the printing stack (CUPS) and the kernel and GRUB if you opt into their *experimental* TPM-based disk encryption.
I won't be using Ubuntu then. I don't like SNAPS
I like how they just forgot ubuntu is a mere linux distro where people could just fork it off, and then go straight to the microsoft style, pushing the garbage they wanted without even caring about whether you liked or not
@@MIO9_shthey know alright, they don't really care about it eh.
Then don't use Ubuntu. Snaps are a hot mess.
@@thepenguinthatwalks Why are snaps bad?
I wondered why you rarely talked about Zorin OS. Having packages older than Debian though is a downright roast.
Sounds like Slack.
Yes it's good, but you might sense instability in ZorinOS
I used Zorin as my daily driver for a couple of years, but alas the lagging behind eventually got to me and I've been distro hopping for the past year. I love the Zorin OS interface --I wish they would stop pacing everyone else by about two years or so.
Me when college has everyone install ubuntu to teach linux and people have a bad experience: 👁️👄👁️
Very true and I just laughed when that happened at my uni as I gone with Linux Mint Xfce on my VM instead of Ubuntu. Others were suffering the lag-fest that is vanilla Ubuntu desktop on GNOME. At one point I had to screenshare my terminal window on a class and some got suprised my VM with Mint Xfce was not lagging to heck LOL.
Fr....in my college as well...btw I am from Asia.
@@ptzzzdude I run gnome45 with encrypted compressed zfs backstopped by Ubuntu repos on literally every computer and vm I have (which require a desktop)
You can run all that on a core2duo MacBook with 2gb of ram and no 3d graphics drivers perfectly fine.
There is a driver called virtio-gpu which enables fast 2d acceleration and it's associated packages can enable 3d acceleration (on Linux guests, macos doesn't have the same internal driver for the virtual GPU)
A poorly configured vm will have terrible performance on any system.
It sounds like your teacher didn't really know much about Linux or it's associated technologies.
I have not used xorg for like 2 years,
Gnome is incredibly lightweight and optimized.
I understand that learning a new workflow can be difficult and using a de that resembles windows (such as cinnamon) can make using the system in the beginning easier for people transitioning
Mint and many of the further spin offs have derped many of the optimizations, qol improvements, and feature tweaking that the Ubuntu team have brought into the core packages
You get a new dkms Nvidia driver every 5 releases and it always works and always builds
The package repos have some of the newest audited versions, while still considering the reliability of the system.
Apt will resolve all of your dependency problems if you just use it properly
(For reference; my workstation has a zfs pool pushing around 12-14GB/s, a massive ARC, literally my root filesystem get put into ram, then an portion of ram gets made into a ramdisk to be used as a render cache to allowing swapping rather than forcing rerenders, then about 50-55GB of project data gets dumped into ram as well, Nvidia and Radeon graphics rendering simultaneously, -- like my entire computer is basically running off a ramdisk that is transparently backstopped by storage the user never notices--- all of this is done on an Ubuntu based system created by the debootstrap utility available on any os with apt installed)
I wouldn't even consider this on any other base, save for rhel and I remember the press release for the warty warthog alpha announcement... So no hats for me....
@@franklin_johnson01 really which part of asia?
Run Linux in a VM or would they want you to run Linux on bare metal?
After 16 years due to some uncertainty about openSUSE that was handled terribly by them on Reddit, I went to POP OS. They maintain an up-to-date kernel and video drivers. No snaps, and flatpak repo is added by default. Has Integrated tiling. Beautiful! I think in some part the new Cosmic DE will use gnome components underlying for example I've been advised on another Nik channel gsettings set and dconf write will continue to work.
Were you using Micro OS.
@@basilcat3111 I tried it but seemed useless for multi-user as /usr/bin/firstrun cannot be disabled and by default flatpaks are installed per user ( not system wide ) which means if one wants a multi-user environment then disk storage requirements could become massive. I guess I could change freedesktop policies file but straight away as can be seen this means not out-of-the box.
Also, Tumbleweed is not as stable - is not at least as consistent as folks think and again it can't really be used in multi-user for reasons of it's own - such as when using an LDAP server for authentication a user must be able to set own wifi connection and one occasion the Atheros WIFI adapter was broken on a kernel ( I reported ) but that was already in the current Tumbleweed snapshot). Sure I can reboot to earlier kernel but what if I was using a systems management tool for update and my remote user didn't know what had happened. I think SUSE shafted the community here realising Leap can be corporate deployed without income to them so it seems Micro OS isn't really a replacement it's more of an ALP community experiment.
Great video! If you are taking a step back and talking about Debian (and Debian-based distros), I would say MX Linux is an excellent choice for the average Desktop user. You can choose among the main desktop environments (excluding GNOME), gets a stable system with a good degree of custom made software but still midweight.
For me, and I have tried quite a few distros, PopOS does not have a rival if you want your computer to "just work":
- Works flawlessly out of the box. Best hardware support I have experienced in any distro by far.
- Most defaults are useful, no need to spend much time setting things up.
- Reasonably up to date software (currently 6.4.6 kernel, pipewire 0.3.79 as examples)
- Updated frequently
- Great statibility (mine never broke)
- Current DE is good enough, but next CosmicDE version will be big (but this is personal taste).
does it work with secure boot?
Pop!_OS is really solid. Linux Mint also has these same advantages for people that prefer something more traditional.
@@zeta_eclipse they had plans to implement it, but not sure about current status
If you like the DE it's great, but if you don't it is not an option unfortunately.
is there a way in PopOS to change the mirros to eu based repos? update take ours with my slow internet because the us based repos
Debian stable if you want a rock solid distribution with virtually no breakages. But If you want a rolling release then just go with Debian Sid which possibly offers more stability than Arch itself!
Ehhh. Tried sid. Didn't work well with my hybrid gpu laptop. Worked well on an older laptop with only integrated graphics.
The guy who does the OpenSUSE Gecko Spin now does a Debian called Spiral Linux. Worth a look - he has integrated Suse's Snapper Snapshot & Image Rollback into the GRUB menu which is about as good as it gets for continuity after ( not likely in Debian but possible ) update which broke the system.
Arch with BTRFS and snapper is pretty good. If an update breaks it, just roll back to a previous snapshot and check why the update broke the system.
That said, if you stay away from AUR (or know what you're doing...), Arch hardly breaks if at all.
@@sharktooh76 yeah, it's typically the AUR that breaks things, and even then, it's the unpopular packages that usually break
@@sharktooh76I have only touched the AUR 3 times (vscode because flatpak version is bad for me, AlienFX, and a package downgrader recommended by the arch wiki)
Mint is great although I'm currently using Bodhi Linux 7.0 based on Ubuntu 22.04 base without snaps, and is really streamlined.
That one was too unique for me. I admire them for the stand alone approach to GUI though. Unique I like. How long you been daily driving it?
I'm using Debian and have been using it for a couple months now. I first used Linux on Linux Mint, and I decided to go with Debian because, as far as I can see it, it is a simple choice. I can install whatever I want later anyway.
Linux Mint -> Debian is the perfect Linux path in my opinion. Linux Mint is perfect for beginners, and once you know what you're doing Debian is very similar but with more flexibility.
I'm running Pop_OS on my System76 daily driver laptop, almost 3 years now, and it works great even if we are tied to an LTS while awaiting Cosmic. My desktop workstation is running Debian testing and that has been very stable with some KDE bugs that come and go, but nothing major. Updates are released daily, though most are tweaks to the package rather than a true version bump from upstream. Tuxedo OS looks very interesting, but I'm not interested in another re-badged Clevo so it could be some time before I have a reason to try it out.
How's the hardware on the System76 laptop? As in build quality, how it feels to use, etc.
@@anonymous_opinions1924 Overall not terrible, but when the rubber feet started to fall off the bottom the only way to replace them was to purchase new bottom metal for $90. When the battery died it took them 3 days to get back to me on a replacement and the cost was $172.43. In contrast, I purchased an exact replacement off of eBay for $77 and had it in hand 4 days later. The screen quality is lacking; a cluster of bright pixels near the center of the screen and the back light bleed is terrible at times. The power supply is of good quality, but the cord is impressively way too short to be useful. So I would summarize as good hardware quality apart from the screen and a terrible parts replacement system, both are Clevo's fault. I am looking forward to seeing the in-house designed System76 laptop come out. I did make some videos on it if you are a glutton for punishment and want to go watch them.
I would like to mention that Mint just posted a new sort of beta version of its distro based on Debian that I'm about to test when I get home actually, I'm not sure if it was rolling release as well or not, but being that it is beta, it likely isn't ancient at least
LMDE isn't new, but LMDE5 is the latest and it's based on debian 11, LMDE6 is being worked on.
Been playing with Ventoy and will give these a try! Thanks my dude.
Nice, have fun with them!
@@TheLinuxEXP most excited to try rhino and Tuxedo. Didn't love pop! But I'm willing to try again when cosmic drops.
I made the switch from base ubtuntu because in recent years ubuntu has been really unstable for me, right now I'm running endeavouros and it's been way more stable for me than ubuntu ever was which given its rolling release cycle is quite ironic
Same here. EndeavourOS has been rock solid since 2022, with the exception of that upstream Arch GRUB EFI issue.
Zorin used to be great, but I've noticed it has slowed down significantly, even with a fresh install. I switched to Linux Mint. I love it.
PoP OS is a semi rolling release distro. I'm using LTS version and the Linux Kernel is already at version 6.4.6 while Distrowatch still lists it at 5.16.29 version. I wish it would offer more desktops like Cinnamon or KDE. Not a fan of GNOME.
I'm looking to get back into Linux after many years of not having a choice of OS. Was thinking of Mint but this gives me food for thought. Pop! looks interesting.
I like mint
Ngl part of the reason I really wanna see COSMIC come out is so that Pop OS finally gets back to intermediate releases
That was why I switched to it from Mint
Out of all the options, Debian and Pop!_OS are the ones I recommend the most. But personally I just use Ubuntu add support for flatpak and the flathub repo as soon as I install it. I don't mind the defeault snap apps, but any desktop app I do need to install, I use flatpak as my first choice, and debian packages as my second. If I ever switch distros, I'll have a very easy time cause of flatpaks
Mint has been described as how Ubuntu should have been.
Also consider LMDE - the Linux Mint Debian Edition: most of the user friendliness of Mint, but it's based directly on Debian without any taint of Ubuntu.
Disclosure: LMDE is my standard distro, and has been for years.
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"You can always uninstall snap, disable the telemetry..." Last time I tried running Firefox (installed via apt) on Ubuntu, it told me I had to install the Firefox snap. Not sure whether uninstalling snap would fix that.
Nick, too bad you didn't at least give a mention to Bodhi OS, which not only is the most high performance ubuntu based os which u can install on the oldest computers, but they also maintain a fork of the enlightenment project's desktop, which they call moksha. it is lightweight, fast, polished, and tons of configuration, if you want it.
they were the first ubuntu derivative to use LTS releases as a base, way back in 2012 they were already doing that, now it's the standard for a lot of the derivatives.
I have been using Tuxedo and I'm a big fan. It just works and has been completely stable, even with it's semi-rolling updates.
I'm curious about LMDE 6 expected this month, finally Mint with the 6.1 kernel. 😃
u can manually upgrade also cinamon... I've been on kernel 6.1 bunch of weeks now
That's nice, good video to recomment linux to new users.
In my personal case, I want to give Void Linux a try. I'm just amaze regarding its hardware resources consumption. I'm currently using Arch, just waiting for it to break with an update to make the change 😂
I'm a big Budgie user. It's easy to customize and has a lot of cool features.
Mint XFCE is where it is at. As long as Mint XFCE exists thats what I'll use on desktop.
Ubuntu is a good OS and their desktops a lovely but it the Snaps that spoil it. You cannot remove Snap because it breaks the whole operating system. That's why I use Linux Mint which I an using with the Kubuntu desktop on one laptop and Ubuntu Gnome on another. I have all of the features of Ubuntu as well as the Mint apps but no Snap. Ubuntu should make having Snap optional like Mint does. I don't know why they don't.
Rhino seems like the power user upgrade for a Mint/Ubuntu user who doesn't want openSUSE or Arch hassle. My issue is that it's still a bit new, but a rolling Ubuntu is pretty neat.
Debian 12 has been rock solid for me. Gnome 43 is still very usable and it looks awesome with extensions. Only issue I had was Nautilus was very laggy, so I installed Nemo.
Debian 12 uses Gnome 43. How would you describe the lag in Nautilus? There used to be a bug in GTK that caused scrolling issues in Nautilus, but it's been fixed for a while now. I wonder if Debian is missing that fix. I would personally be surprised if they didn't include the fix.
@@that_leaflet It is exactly that, scrolling feels very laggy. I open Nautilus in the terminal, and when I scroll it says "GtkGridView failed to scroll to given position. Ignoring..."
I need a "Hamburger and Fries OS" to go with that PopOS!
I got into a collage recently, so i thought why not go super stable, got debian and I am happy enough,
flatpak of vacodium does not have close button on Wayland ,so I went for app image
Can't add libcs50 repo with curl , had to compile from source
Linux have once again became a learning experience for me,
This is what I love about linux
For me the perfect distro would be Ubuntu with Flatpak presintalled. PopOS is kinda like this on the surface, but it must be a bit different under the hood because I managed to brake it, and that's kinda why I stick to Ubuntu, similiar story with other distros.
I like your videos. Lots of information for this non-linux-only user. I also love seeing my home state represented in some videos. Welcome to Colorado!
One point: Ubuntu Budgie does include Flatpak by default. As far as I know, it's the only Ubuntu spin that does this, which makes it my personal choice of all the Ubuntu versions.
I may be in the minority here, but I've been using Ubuntu 22.04 LTS for almost a year now and I've been very satisfied with my experience. Granted, I don't use it for much (only Maptool and web browsing and image processing), so that's probably helping its case here.
Ubuntu is the face of desktop Linux? Yes it used to be but I would not say that anymore.
Should I use TUXEDO OS over KDE Neon?
I went from ubuntu 24.04 to Pop os, just last week an im really liking it, feels very polished, an the reason i switched was hassles with nvidia drivers, but pop worked straight out box with nvidia installer.
As a longtime Xubuntu User, I moved away purely because of snap, now happily using Debian 12 with XFCE.
It is the decision of each user and their taste. I think Ubuntu has done a lot for free software but the parent company (Canonical) must make business decisions for its business model.
I think Ubuntu is a good GNU/Linux distribution, one of the most used, and the Snap package has improved a lot in recent years.
Keep in mind that many developers choose to publish their projects directly to flatpak or snap.
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.
In my spare time I’m testing both Alpine and NixOS with Distrobox/Podman to get Ubuntu compatibility. It’s still early and I have not yet beat the learning curve on all of these things yet so I have no recommendations at this point. I am having fun though.
or sparkylinux semi-rolling for the LXQt fans
Sparky also comes in game edition , rescue edition , minimal CLI as well as minimal GUI edition
I love adverts, I can't get enough of them!! I must admit I do like Linux Mint but as far as Ubuntu is concerned it does have more control over the desktop but I enjoy a challenge that's why chose Linux Mint.
Calling Linux mint challenging doesn't make any more sense than calling Biden competent.
Had you said you love a challenge? And that's why you love arch, that would have made more sense.
This video makes me appreciate Arch all that much more. (12+years at this point.) :-D
I’m using pure Arch terminal for everything. I’m debating on going to Hyprland but Gnome is so clunky and disjointed to me; I'm not sure I could ever use it for my daily driver.
I learned about Hyprland from this comment and i am installing it immediately.
It's just the pop shell tiling that keeps me with gnome. I remember a while back dumping in tons of time into openbox or i3, I don't really have it in me anymore. I'm not a keyboard warrior or a mouse jockey so something in-between is perfect.
I think Mint go a bit far with the Snap thing, but I can understand their position. Tuxedo OS looks cool. I've been thinking of making the jump to Manjaro next upgrade, but maybe I'll try Tuxedo instead.
By going a bit far do you mean blocking the install of snap? It was because a lot of Ubuntu packages pull in snap as dependencies possibly when not expected. You can change it
Good point about Zorin, because of this video I changed to another distro with an up-to-date LTS.
I tried Debian once, it didn't work out for me as I hoped and showed me that I wasn't ready for the experience of it yet. So I went back to Kubuntu. Worked fine for me so far.
Snaps are so hated that even major linux hardware vendors don't enable them out of the box even though their os is based on ubuntu 😂.
Maybe Canonical should start questioning their snap technology 🤦♂️.
I'm really quite enjoying PopOS, its been pretty solid for me. I can't really stand a lot of the Ubuntu design choices unfortunately - but you have to admit they are making a name for Linux at least.
Also, good luck removing Snap from Ubuntu in a few years once every system component down to Cups has been replaced by a Snap...
I really think there's an overreaction to Ubuntu's choices. Ubuntu is a great distro and Canonical gives important contribution to open source solutions besides being responsible for a huge Linux presence on IoT and servers. A passionate approach to Canonical's decisions avoids seeing things on a balanced manner.
I am not a Linux user but I am interested in setting up a PC with Linux on it. I will admit a lot of the terms being used here make no sense to me. No idea what snaps is I assume it an app store that is controlled by the Canonical company. I think for me what I am looking for is a Linux system that will support Steam and all the games I play, plus Social Media, and have a good and robust office system like Open Office. It would be great if all of these distros could come together to create a consolidated base system . If we are to have people move away from Windows we need a really solid option.
You got it right, Snap is basically an app store (and software distribution technology) created and controlled by Canonical.
Many people dislike it because the Snap Store is not open-source, Snaps are slower than "normal" (read: "legacy" / deb) packages, and Canonical is forcing users to install Snap packages even when they explicitly try to install the deb version through the command line.
About social media, all major web browsers work on all distributions, so you won't have a problem with that.
About office work, you should know that Open Office is a dead project and has been replaced by Libre Office, which is basically a much newer version of Open Office.
Both Firefox and Libre Office are pre-installed on most beginner-friendly distributions.
About gaming, Steam is available on Linux, and many Windows-only games now work very well on Linux thanks to Steam's "Proton" compatibility layer. You can check the compatibility of your games on protondb.com. Other tools exist for games outside of Steam.
I generally recommend Linux Mint as my #1 choice for novice Linux users, but if you want to use Linux primarily for gaming or your have very recent hardware, you may want to check a distro that has a newer kernel and drivers, such as Ubuntu 23.04 (*not* 22.04 LTS), Pop_OS, Fedora, or Manjaro.
Adding to @Blueeeeeee 's perfect comment:
Manjaro is not a newbie friendly distro. Not as nuts as Arch... but no newbie distro.
Stick to the others they recommend. Like Mint!
Specifically the Debian edition, LMDE 6 "Faye", I would say.
I know is not ubuntu or debian based but fedora is one of the best distros to migrate from ubuntu, since it has the newer stuff. It has some small issues but they are fixable, mainly you have to manually enable proprietary repos, tweak dnf, and install drivers.
It can be done in 5 - to 15 minutes following a guide but I wished they were more pragmatic and offered an easier option during installation, even debian offers that option now -__-
okay but why is it almost impossible to find an Ubuntu out even Debian based distro that's up to date on packages, and just had vanilla GNOME?
It's because the base (Debian Stable) used for all of these uses relatively old packages (it gets feature updates no more than every two years). While this can be somewhat mitigated by using Debian Testing as a base (this is what Ubuntu does), this is actually pretty hard to do without causing issues. Debian Testing is a lot more broken than people think, and sometimes it takes them a long time to solve issues. Currently what you're talking about pretty much doesn't exist.
If you like vanilla GNOME and aren't okay with older packages, Fedora is probably the best option; though Debian-based stuff is usually a lot nicer for a multitude of reasons.
@@anonymous_opinions1924 yeah, that's what i do, I know that debian would be great for what i use linux for but I really love vanilla GNOME so i just use fedora, i've never used debian testing and from what i've heard stuff breaks in it a lot so it's not a viable option for me.
It's just ironical that the DE that's most recognized (at least by people who aren't serious powerusers) with Debian is GNOME, and not one distro offers vanilla GNOME with debian.
Running Ubuntu default daily build 23.10. Super nice, fast and haven't had one crash so far. Cononical at least are making decisions and actively develop the base and it's environment to make things better. I personally really like default Ubuntu and think they are doing a great job. If I don't want drama I simply install Ubuntu.
Just a heads-up, any distribution that doesn't rely on Snap will be faster.
Also "Cononical at least are making decisions and actively develop the base and it's environment to make things better" - I'm not sure what you mean here, but don't be fooled into thinking other distributions aren't actively improving and contributing to the broader Linux ecosystem.
I can't speak of the others on this list, but Linux Mint is certainly the most user-centric project I have seen in my entire life, and Pop_OS will probably have a big impact on the Linux world once their Cosmic desktop is finished.
+1 for Mint, Pop!_OS, and Debian. Faster and much nicer than Ubuntu with even less drama.
@@anonymous_opinions1924 Mint so much pre installed programs, games. I want clean mint
@Blueeeeeee Mint isn't user centric anymore. They don't seem to listen to their users; many wanted KDE Plasma to remain as a DE option (that led Feren OS to use KDE Plasma instead of Cinnamon) and many users want Cinnamon to have Wayland support, for years now. Both have been ignored; even Wayland seems to be an issue for the team.
@@cameronbosch1213 Kde can still be installed, they just didn't have the resources to officially offer it as a flavor. Also Wayland has released as experimental and will be ready soon.
Just one note about the firefox thing: Mozilla ASKED Canonical to distribute firefox snap and not the deb... For whatever reason. Amazon thing? Well yeah fucked up but like a decade ago. I don't use Ubuntu because it kinda reminds me of Windows with the snaps being kinda forced still and the fact that canonical really cares more about the server side nowadays rather than desktop.
Ubuntu (and its variants) bricked my system multiple times along the years. Fedora on the other hand has been rock solid. I still don't get why so many people are in love with Ubuntu when better alternatives exist. I get it was easier to get into linux 15 years ago (I myself started to use linux as main OS in 2008) but honestly times have changed since then.
The only problem i have with modern gnome is that its a resource hog and is coded poorly.
If they could reduce the overhead and make it lighter while keeping the same design, i would absolutely love to use it.
I still use Ubuntu 20.04 on my systems but I am planing on moving distros once support ends and Debian has kept coming to mind because every other OS I like is technicly based off Debian already so Debian would be a lightr weight version of those distros and I can just install what I like about those distros after boot. I mostly like Cinimon DE so I will just make a lighter weight Mint with a few things its missing out of the box by 2025.
Ubuntu is where I started on Linux 3 months after the release of Windows 10. From there I went to Chateau Linux. When that died I went to Peppermint. When that died I went to Mint Mate, and have been there ever sense. I installed Linux Lite for a couple Linux newbies as well, after I found they were somehow still on Windows Vista in the mid 2000s.
It's not an Ubuntu based distro but sparky Linux is debian based you can get most any desktop just install sparky minimal GUI then from app center goto desktops and pick your favorite and you can get most Ubuntu apps (for desktop choose cinnamon , kde, gnome shell, gnome flashback , CDE , i3 , awesome, enlightenment or One of a dozen others.😊
Removing snaps and disabling telemetry is exactly what I did when I installed Ubuntu two months ago. Using Ubuntu till I can get the hang of something like EndeavourOS or Fedora (my favourite distro) gets the kernel issues resolved.
I personally installed KDE Neon on my computer this afternoon. I've been using Kubuntu for a little bit, but I liked using Bismuth. Which sadly kept crashing Kwin. The reason I chose Neon is that it is basically Kubuntu but with a more updated plasma version. That being said I never really looked into Tuxedo OS. Is there any advantage to Tuxedo OS over KDE Neon?
Yes. Tuxedo OS patches out Snaps and is generally more stable than even "stable" KDE Neon, which has been a nightmare in terms of stability.
What about LMDE Mint ? I use it on an old laptop, it runs great, and is Debian based.
That's pretty much just Debian (so like Debian itself, that's kind of cheating).
It's amazing. Best distribution besides good old plain Debian, and better for beginners.
I can vouch for pop os , it is very usable and working very well with my i3 4th gen laptop flawlessly for study and coding
One of my personal favorites, Sparky Linux. I know it isn't Ubuntu based, rather more of Debian based, but, it can be modified a bit easier than Debian and is very cool in its self.
What's hard about modifying Debian?
There are some excellent distros that you've mentioned in this video, and some good pros and cons. Great video as always!!
Its insane that I was just testing Rhino Linux in a Boxes VM yesterday. I didnt know it had apt. That being said it crashed after I pressed the update button and rebooted. They still have ALOT of work to do.
I really like the NEW mint-- IF-- I F they would come up with some way to do AUTO-TILING (like the pop shell does for gnome or BISMUTH does on kde)..then it would be PERFECT..
I love Zorin, been using it for 2-3 years on my gaming desktop and a small pc for the TV.
I used to distro hop a lot, until i found debian 12. Since then, i have had no desire to switch. It just works.
I installed mint cinnamon and vanilla gnome. Works well. Realised I prefer nemo to nautilus or even dolphin.
Only odd thing is if using fingerprint unlock the first unlock doesnt’ open the user properly so goes to first boot mode.
Good presentation. However, you missed Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE). Debian with the Mint system environment including Cinnamon. You can still load Gnome DE if you like.
Pop-Os! is mostly fantastic IMHO, but the software GUI shop is janky, TuxedoOS is great on a Tux machine, but (personally) not a Plasma fan and if you go to another Ubuntu distro, Tomte doesn’t work unless you add their repos, which causes problems. Great video as always 🎉
The shop has been updated. No longer behaves that way. Update is not yet released, but is staged.
@@mmstickOh cool. I wanted to switch to Pop OS just to try it out (Fedora is my distro of choice). I was wondering why the Pop Shop felt a bit choppy.
@@mmstick good to know 👍 looking forward to the full Cosmic release
Debian12 is the new Ubuntu. You can set up your environment in Debian very easily and Nvidia drivers can be installed with single line command. My problem with pop OS is that vim is running at 0.7 while Debain itself is now shipping 0.9. Its two versions behind Debain !! Other than that I don't think any other distros in Linux come even close to a complete user experience.
Yeah and with Flatpak you don’t really have to care about the repos, as the distro ages
@@TheLinuxEXP You see with flatpak I have type "flatpak run io.neovim.nvim" as opposed to "nvim" through apt. This is hassle although we can alias it in bashrc. Not very elegant for terminal users. Plus now we have to maintain the flatpak repos separately, with updates and unused removals et el
Snaps are bad, but I don't get how someone can say Flatpaks are better than Snaps... their both so bad! :D Considering 80% of Linux user are on Ubuntu/Debain "apt" should be the default app manager and developers shouldn't bother about the rest. Arch guys can always go to the AUR, Fedora can do whatever they want.
I left the train a long time ago, my distro of choice is Nobara, I freaking love it, though my current laptop won’t let me install any Linux distro, so for now, I’m trapped on Windows 11
I kinda like how "modern" Ubuntu/Gnome looks compared to Windows or some other Linux distros.
Some people don't like it, but I like consistent ui between my computer and my phone. That's why I use Zorin
After almost a year of „testing“, I would say Debian testing is fine for some not too crazy gaming and standard office work. I am really surprised why not more distros actually use debian testing as a base. After all, ubuntu is not based on debian stable, but testing.
I am running Debian 12, and I have it look just like Ubuntu. It's great!
I don't have a problem with snaps, although there are some downsides , they work. Flatpak on the other hand is a mess for some apps. I can't use any distros that use flatpaks for Nordpass cause the app simply won't run as a flatpak. On snap, it works perfectly well.
Rhino shows promise. Tried it in a VM last week. Issue after trying the update on the system took out networking stack and reverted desktop settings.. I wouldn't use it on my work laptop yet. Pop os is solid. My current distro. Pacstall works on pop too. I started Linux way back in the day on Linux mint 8 (like 2008 or 2009).. Thing is I like more modern desktops these days than mint offers. But with that said Mint is by far the best "new to Linux" distro ever made IMO.
Mint + Mate for many years now. Very happy with it.
I have found a good home in EndeavourOS two years ago and ive been very happy
Mint Cinnamon is my favorite, but I like Ubuntu as well. Ubuntu requires a little more work to get things going the way I like them, but both are great operating systems.
I used to be a big fan of Ubuntu. Used it daily during the Gnome 2.x days, and I did like Unity. I used my PC hooked up to a big TV, and Unity was hands down the best GUI for the TV space.
Ubuntu went down the path of too many changes with point releases that I couldn’t deal with anymore. It’s like the random changes forced upon people with Windows 10 and 11.
These days I use Linux Mint and Manjaro Gnome.
Linux Mint is the best. It just works, and I don’t have to fight my system, like ever.
If I have to make a choice only 2 of them suits for me: Debian Testing and Tuxedo OS. Other distros are not my story.
I would not agree that debian testing Is unstable, I've tried it and for Desktop usage its one of the best choices. I feel very comfortable using Debian at all (well maintained and this glorious debian feeling of freedom), stable for servers and testing for desktop.
Tuxedo OS is also great choice and I see that Tuxedo knows how to maintain their distribution. I've tried it and works great. I'm going to buy Tuxedo laptop soon and I will give it a try as my daily driver on laptop then.
But... I MUCH more prefer rpm distros I've chosen Nobara which is Fedora based. Well maintained by GE Team, very recent software, stable as much as fedora and a lot of gaming tweaks. But Its not only for games, I'm using Nobara over a year on both my desktop and laptop and I'm working as DevOps Engineer on them. Works perfectly.