KDE Dev tries XFCE!
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XFCE is for me the sweet spot of being minimalistic and having real useful features. It is also incredible stable which I really, really appreciate!
Yes, it It’s amazing how much they are able to accomplish having few devs
I thought the same until I found antix on ice wm.. Xfce is super dated imo.
Well, I have had the opposite experience. I encountered significant issues with Thunar file manager, which I could barely fix with the assistance of Reddit and forums. Moreover, I am unable to resolve a glitch with the xfce panel, as I can see a tiny seam or seams. I do not believe that the effort is worthwhile. I do not believe there are any advantages or performance improvements. I think it would be better to switch back to KDE
Agreed! It is so unbelievably stable that it feels a little strange on top of a Linux distro, because the experience is just so smooth. Years ago, XFCE had a little trouble with the panel, but they quickly fixed that. I recently switched to KDE for kicks and giggles, because I convinced myself that I was missing out on awesome features (not true). It has been absolute hell. The wayland support is pretty good, but otherwise it's soooooo unstable and buggy. What's the use of all the bells and whistles if none of the features work like they should? XFCE is so snappy and stable. You also get Thunar, which is my favorite file manager. I'd say that GNOME is a reasonable runner-up to XFCE in my opinion, but still far inferior to XFCE. The developers are also staying on the ball by working on wayland support. After seeing what KDE can do with wayland, I'm super excited to see it implemented in XFCE.
Xfce is perfect if you want something rock solid, lightweight and customizable. It's not super modern but it does its job very well.
I totally agree.
A few notes about the video.
The Bluetooth and WiFi applets / panel plugins are not Xfce projects. Bluetooth is Blueman and WiFi is NetworkManager nm-applet.
The theme and icons are also custom to Xubuntu. The default Xfce theme is a bit more dated/plain and there is no official Xfce icon theme, I think Xfce defaults to Gnome's Adwaita icon theme.
The panel app launcher does have some customizations if you click configure in the Panel Preferences > Items tab (or right click on the menu itself and select Properties).
You sure about that ? I remember XFCE redoing their icons in 4.16, I thought it was a custom theme. Maybe it only affected their own applications ?
@@Blueeeeeee the icons were redone, however, the change was only meant for Xfce apps - the default icon theme is still Adwaita
@@penguin2137 The default icon set is painful to look at. The actual folder icons are pretty, but the emblems, actions and status symbols clearly do not match anything else. Different line thicknesses everywhere, different alignments, some outlined, some filled, some colorful, some with reflections and shadows. My eyes BLEED every time I reinstall XFCE. Don't judge a book by it's cover I guess...
I think xfce’s awesome if u put some work into it. It’s level of barebones simplicity means u can customize it a lot. I think the best way to use it is to swap out the default window manager (I use awesomewm for my xfce desktop)
@@benjy288 it might be a graphical driver issue if I had to guess. I haven’t experienced any sort of tearing on my AMD system either.
@@benjy288ohhh ok. I use the default xfce panels and never bothered with the awesomewm bar tbh (or used polybar instead)
A thing that I LOVE on XFCE is that you can enter a custom format for the clock.
Might seem dumb or trivial but i need to have the current week number (XX/52) at all time for my work.
There are workarounds in KDE, but none that integrate as seamlessly in my status bar as in XFCE (need to download another applet, which font doesn't match the others).
So please, KDE devs, if you're listening, if you could just add a custom format option in KDE's clock, i'd be most grateful.
xfce is solid. It just keeps working, day after day. You might go months without and updates or changes. KDE just always feels fragile and unstable, and you have to get tons and tons of updates all of the time. XFCE stays out of your way, Gnome or KDE try to get in your way.... just like MacOS and Windows.
The biggest difference between xfce and kde is speed. No, not the ram or cpu usage, the speed feeling.
so... what is faster xfce or kde
Excellent Video!!!! Because i used to run my linux solely using xfce. My reason for not completely switching to KDE, was from my experience to understand how KDE did the things that i could do in XFCE. I found it less intuitive than XFCE. But that was because i had used XFCE so much and was able to create a custom layout Using the same drive for my home, a new install, the time to install was reduced significantly because of my configs. i could reformat, reinstall distro, install necessary software, and reboot to the same desktop.
On your point of intuitive, using your definition, i agree. However, I experienced the same intuitiveness when trying to work with KDE in my 10 trials. But sometimes intuitiveness is less of a factor for experienced users and more for new ones.
It would be nice to have a similar control on wallpaper/virtual desktop in KDE similar to that of XFCE.
Finally, I'm on KDE and it is my default DM. It would be a good idea if there was a poll on what ex-XFCE users would like to see in KDE. It would be interesting to see the results.
Cheers
XFCE has some of the most authentic retro/outdated themes I've seen which is part of the reason I use it currently. There are ways to make it more minimal/modern but it starts becoming less XFCE and more Frankenstein at that point. A rabbit hole in it's own right for customization.
Good, fair review.
Considering the size of the Xfce development team, I think they are doing phenomenal job.
A great job for everyone without asking nothing!
I like XFCE because it's much nore beginner-friendly than Plasma IMO. I started using Plasma first when I started using Linux, and I had a much easier time when I switched to XFCE. IMO its default settings are a lot better, and it's more stable. Plasma is still my favourite for experienced users, though, because of its better customisability and better look. I think if Plasma should take any inspiration from XFCE, it should be the default settings.
XFCE is to me the alternative to KDE I use on older machines. Basically it is familiar to KDE users, and is really lightweigh. I dig Thunar, and I usually have it install on my KDE machines as well as it has some awesome admin integrated tools in it.
And basically you have the same level of personalization that you have on KDE, you just need to invest more time in it.
I personally just lower the Kwin effects on KDE
Kde is pretty lightweight with the window manager effects turned off
I love XFCE, I hope they implement wayland support soon! I know they are working on it but it sure is taking a while.
Wayland still isn't done implementing Wayland, when Xfce finishes it it's gonna be gemmy
Linux Mint with XFCE looks quite good with dark theme. Another plus of XFCE is the little footprint and reliability. But true it keep this oldish style.
About colorful icons in context menus and application toolbars: it's one of the things I like the most in XFCE! It's worth mentioning that not every icon theme will behave this way. If you use Papirus, you will have symbolic icons there. Some icons sets get broken on that regard (with some icons on context menus being colorful while others are symbolic and some of them without any icon - I'm looking at you, Yaru), so there are two ways of having a consistent XFCE look when it comes to icons: using Elementary XFCE icons (which is the same set that Xubuntu uses by default) or using Papirus for a modern look.
Xfce isn't flashy, but it can be made to be aesthetically pleasing. It's main feature is an amazing degree of stability, and is superior to both gnome and kde in that regard. To put it simply, xfce is the rock that makes Linux a viable alternative to Windows.
I watched few of your KDE videos and now it's time... I subscribed! Yay!
I like KDE for my machines that aren't showing their age. It's fine for my ryzen 5 3600/vega 56 or ryzen 7 1700/rx 580 builds. I even have some thinkpads with 5th gen mobile intel cpus that it's fine for generally. but on older/weaker hardware, XFCE is nice. I like the straightforward nature and it provides a familiar desktop that anyone familiar with windows should be able to figure out with relative ease. and it seems endlessly configurable compared to the other DEs of a similar scope. half the fun of a new XFCE install is modifying it to your needs.
Alt + Shift + F12 I believe and your KDE works well on old machines
Hi, one of the very interesting features that I used when I was still using xfce is the trouble-free arrangement of several panels on one edge (e.g. bottom). For example, I didn't like that when I enlarged a panel, the icons for wifi bluetooth etc became terribly large, and I couldn't just set the size to just the individual icons in one panel. So I created a second panel that connected to the first one, where I just had system icons reduced in size. In the same way, you can add a task manager that you want to be in the middle of the screen.
I’ve recently found it very hard to focus on what is being said in your latest few videos since the backing tracks’ drum heavy percussion loops often get loud enough to obscure what you are saying. Using a more calm genre like lofi or even no backing music at all would be much better imo.
Idk I use subtitles
As someone who has used Xfce more than I have ever used GNOME or KDE: I find this video really interesting. I'm switching over to KDE now after years with Xfce because of cosmetic reasons finally getting to me (and I was shocked to learn KDE was lighter on computing resources than Xfce), and it's been really interesting to see the differences between workflows on the two environments. A lot of the default behaviours on Xfce I am _so_ used to that I find myself doing things that don't work on KDE and even when I'm using Windows.
You must do a KDE dev tries out/reviews Windows, Mac OS or even Chrome OS video eventually!!! I’d love to see it from your perspective!
Hi Nicco! Thank you for looking into Xfce. I am a happy user of Xfce on Arch Linux. Note that what you was looking at is not a vanilla version of Xfce, but a very much themed one.
To be honest, Xfce in it's bare form is pretty ungly, especially with that default mouse wallpaper (the little mouse mascot is cute, but colors are bad, lol).
It's almost like Xfce screams at you to style it, like a blank painting. However, that's also the point from where you will discover how many fantastic themes there exist for it. It's super easy to do.
Also note that the application launcher that you where looking at is the Whisker Menu. You really want to use that. It has a great search function and tracks your mouse when navigating through the menu's, very much like KDE.
Xfce's default application menu is much more primitive and has been removed from the desktop you where seeing.
I have started linux not too long ago and I would like to say, as someone who started with not a lot of experience in any DE, that XFCE panels were much more intuitive to customize for me, and KDE panels really just started to make sense to me after XFCE. Maybe it's just me but I wanted to share some input.
It's way better than gnome
Elliot will love this 🗿
I agree with a lot of this, there are also a few things on xfce that come from it being an X11 environment.
There's a few issues with theming and trying to get a dark theme.
I have to say however, xubuntu's default config is quite good its almost unfair. Default XFCE is terrible.
I've been using Xfce for over 10 years. And yes, the option to move the panel is not very intuitive. I do think your sense of it feeling out of date is resolved by a bit more customizing. Choosing a good gtk theme and icon set often is all that's required. Or adding transparency to the panel. You can also set the wallpaper with ristretto, the Xfce image viewer. Also, the expanding separators aren't immediately intuitive, but once you catch on, they work great. Xfce users don't use the built-in app menu, they use the much nicer whisker menu, with menulibre for menu editing. The right click on the desktop app menu is great.
Lastly, Xfce is fast and super stable. Apps snap open. And it just never crashes or screws up. I like thunar and the Xfce terminal a lot. Xfce does its job and stays out of the way.
Ok, ps.... When I use Reaper, it uses a key binding Xfce uses (alt drag) to resize windows. I have a script that uses xfconf to toggle that on or off. The same is possible for a lot of Xfce options.
XFCE was the first DE I tried in 2018 when I switched to Linux. It was ArcoLinux, which I think is one of the nicer examples with a huge and helpful community. But I never really came to like the too simplistic look of xfce, but it sure is a lightweight DE. My favorite is Manjaro KDE.
ill be here for the whole ride nico, am just starting my career as a young gen z, but i will donate as soon as i can.
Finally you tried my favourite DE
People: Was it bit confusing or too confusing?
Nicco: Bit too confusing
I'm a KDE fan, but if I had to switch to another DE, my choice would be XFCE.
XFCE was a good lightweight DE. But the only problem was lack of DATE and TIME settings and user account management.
i believe you can custom ur date/time with pango markup
Individual wallpaper per desktop, - it still amazes me that this has been something Plasma can't do, despite being something that worked for KDE4.
You're getting better at speech :) Keep growing.
The wallpapers are from Xubuntu project... The default compositor can make stuffs blur, so people often change their compositor in case want to blurry windows...
XFCE IS FASTER... so that part I really like. I use PLANK anyway and have the apps I use MOST on it-- so rarely open the menu anyway-- unless I need to fix or add something..
XFCE is not faster at all than KDE if you turn off animations in Plasma System Settings.
LXQt is equally fast and uses less memory than XFCE, btw.
@@Schwarzer.Kater.RUclips I dont CARE about the ram-- either way it goes nowhere near the full amount available-- adn on MY system it IS a good bit snappier than kde.. and if you turn off the animations and "water it down" why bother to have kde at all?? i LOVE both-- for different reasons.. :)
@@Schwarzer.Kater.RUclips LXQT is also total garbage. I don't understand how anyone can compare it to full fledged desktop environments when it couldn't be further from being one.
XFCE & MATE are the only functional lightweight desktops by far.
I wish there was a number indicating the length of the KDE plasma panel just like the one when editing the panel height. because i use multiple panel and its hard to make them the same length.
Good video, but the editing was weird. Thanks for your work :)
What i really love on XFCE is when I press ALT + drag a window anywhere I need it. Even a small pixel is available and you can drag the window back whenever you want it. I really miss that after moving to Gnome on my desktop. Try it!
You can do it with many window managers and compositors. It's just that they have different preferences between which key to activate it and which button does what (move or resize).
Not using Gnome at the moment, but it probably Meta(Win key). Resize is IIRC middle click which I don't think is ergonomic.
Look at the genmon panel plugin. Every desktop should have something similar
I tried gnome, kde and XFCE. Gnome is nice in my opinion, but as someone who grew up using windows, It didn't feel right for me. KDE is awesome, but I feel most comfortable with XFCE since it is very simple and lightweight and it pleases my boomer side by giving back some windows 95/98 nostalgia.
Peppermint OS uses a very modern looking execution of XFCE
Xfce doesn't actually provide a lot of stuff. It's basically got a few very basic apps, the panels, a window manager and a compositor, all using mostly dead standard GTK widgets. It's pretty much intended to be fully customized to your liking rather than really providing any sort of standard experience. It's modular and super easy to swap out parts too, so you can replace the WM with Compiz, or keep the WM but use xcompmgr, use third-party bars, use third-party applets. By default it looks like Gnome 2 with a dock, it's kind of a throwback to Ubuntu 7.10.
It makes a fantastic base for older systems or people that highly customize their DEs/WMs but want to keep some sane defaults for handling some basic things. Used Xfce for years until KDE 5 came around and started being usable again after the disaster that was KDE 4. I used the same theme, so it ended up looking pretty similar in the end.
more than ten years ago, there was a french (ubuntu based) distro called Voyager, which shipped with XFCE and was beautiful. it was an exceptionally beautiful exception to the mostly not very nice XFCE instances i've seen. Voyager is proof XFCE CAN look nice, but mostly, it looks more old fashioned, and while there are some great options for sure, and i've used it as my DE before and got it looking pretty good, it doesn't have the features and options of other DEs (my all time favorite being Unity, even as i'm using Plasma now, and have been for months).
a bit of trivia about XFCE, somehow, it is THE MOST shipped DE on all distros out there, even despite development on it being slow to inactive and not much has changed on it in the 13+ years i've known and used it.
While I wouldn't want it as my desktop, it seems great for dockers and other applications where you just need something basic to run ontop of.
XFCE is my preferred gtk desktop. I use EndeavourOS with both KDE and XFCE.
Anyone grew up with Windows (like most of humans did) look to XFCE as an upgraded Win95.
Which is a good thing for me.
Excellent
Xfce is an excellent DE even used on some machines with more modest hardware but I confess that when they started to implement "Client Side Decoration" by default I've been moving away a little I hope that xfce doesn't lose its identity getting too close to the appearance of gnome.
Isn't Xubuntu a quite heavily pre-configured setup? When I've done XFCE it has been on Void which is totally vanilla. Does not invalidate your video but I do think it's kind of an important distinction "KDE Dev tries XFCE on Xubuntu".
xubuntu is not a good example of stock and complete xfce...
to see a stock (but complete xfce) you could use Void linux
since i use void the most complete and stock xfce (i mostly use xfce) is Void's version which also has all of the window manager themesas xfce used to
I rather use Xfce instead of KDE. If i have to switch from Gnome,
The "automatically increase length" option didn't work for you because Xubuntu has an expandable separator between the task list and the systray so the panel always uses all the space available horizontally or vertically.
your right xfce looks very old in standard config but with other theme and icons and a little bit of changing the komposit settings its very nice, but i also don't like some standart looks of kde plasma. I hope they do a better standart look in future. And sorry my english i am german.
You didn't touch on my favorite part of XFCE. The launchers... You can have multiple applications in a particular launcher, so one launcher spot on the bar has (as an example) all of my most used "office" type programs. The FeatherPad text editor is the top (displayed on the bar) option, but by clicking on the arrow on the right side of the launcher it displays the stacked launchers for a calculator, libreoffice, and sublime text. For someone that prefers hotkey+type to launch applications, you might not find it useful, but I like the launcher system and the ability to group my most used applications within a few themed launchers.
Moved to XFCE when KDE4 disabled its option to set different backgrounds for the virtual desktops, I use to work with six, now work with four virtual desktops for different type of work/activity. Between KDE's childish DB use/abuse and trying to force people to use its 'activities' concept, it had become unworkable as a workstation environment.
ONE thing I learned from THOR (a creator on here).. is that when you are configuring the way you want things to look and are adjusting settings-- take a SCREENSHOT of the settings FIRST-- and then make the change-- and if you f.. k it up-- you can look at the screen shot and put i tback like it was....
It is really sad how bad xubuntu looks like when you know what MX Linux and Manjaro look like...
I used to really like Xfce back in the day, as an alternative to KDE 3.5
But these days anything I might consider Xfce for I'd probably use MATE instead. The Linux desktop space has advanced, but Xfce has not. At this point I feel like you'd be better off with a custom window manager environment, unless Xfce just happens to already be close to what you'd end up with anyway.
I don't mind the look at all though. But I guess I'm just an old man - whenever someone says "modern look" or "modern interface" I hear "Ugly, clunky, and hard to read and use."
KDE>Mate>XFCE
12:42 I like colorful icons, like Colibre Icon Theme for LibreOffice.
For my daily computing, I use Gnome, but for terminal servers, I prefer Xfce. I have a great deal of respect for KDE, but for me, it just feels a bit noisy in some way. I don't know exactly what it is. It's definitely quite high quality and I fully understand why other people love it.
You should have tried Arcolinux xfce. You would be blown away
i got 5 Psc, 4 of then run XFCE, its lightning fast only the Bling bling PC in the living room run KDE for show and shine
I always had a problen with XFCE thag I never had jn Gnome, KDE and Cinnamon. All the videos and even scrolling the web cause the screen tearing. I have never managed to fiz that
I can't bring myself to care about looks. Like, when I am using a computer my nose is stuck into a web browser, a chat client, a video game - _anything_ but the desktop, rarely. I also find GTK FMs easier to understand but that's just because I'm a GNOME boy having started on Ubuntu in '09. I just want my stuff to work; maybe it's because I'm old-school, but also compositing is crap on much older hardware.
I like semi-opaque windows and that's just about it. I modified Discord to have BetterDiscord's Ace Editor use a light blur while being see-through if focused. That's about it. I care little else about appearance, but I occasionally have fun playing with Discord. Ultimately the computer is a tool, and I don't care if my hammer looks ugly.
No Night Colour setting on XFCE is a deal breaker
AGREED-- XFCE is NOT very INTUITIVE-- with ANYTHINg it does.. It works well- and IS super fast-- but takes time to get use to. (especially when you're use to kde)..
XFCE is what I use to cope with KDE not being packaged yet for my distro
xfce is very light desktop envoirment if we have compare it to gnome or kde
I guess Xfce is too close to Mate and KDE
Nice👍
i love xfce but i prefer kde
I love Xfce.
Would there be a way to get windows styled through KDE whilst the desktop is XFCE ?
Xfce is quite snappy though
I just wish someone would remake KDE 3. It's still the best DE linux ever had. The devs completely ruined it with KDE 4.
Did Yoda design the thumbnail?
Yes
xfce's floating panel is broken AF, trust me I would know
To be honest: it is harder to disable activating menu in KDE from pushing Meta key than it should be. If you have a lot of actions on Meta + Something key then you would probably like to make menu accesible with Alt+F1 and leave Meta alone.
I like XFCE because it works on very old hardware. However, on almost any piece of hardware from the last five years, it's pretty much a waste. KDE with full effects gave me much less headache than XFCE with some transparency effects, in the latter case the computer suffers so much that it could end up giving birth to another one. I prefer to use Mate, if the hardware is weak but not old.
I don't have search bar on main menu like yours on xfce fedora 38, how do I enable it? It such nice to search the app on that.
Right click on menu, edit main menu and there should be a button to tick for the search bar and if you want it top or bottom of the menu.
kde dev xfce tries out
I use to be attracted to distros by WALLPAPER-- before I had the good sense to realize I can CHANGE that any time I like.. ha. I now just rotate my 10,000 photos from movies, tv, travels, etc. through the slideshow on kde-- changing every hour or so sometimes- other times every 24 hours.. XFCE looks GOOD-- just reminds me of Linux Mint when I first started using Linux. I just don't know how to customize it like I want.. but- I'm starting to get so that I don't care about the customization so much... I tried several arch - and had issues with ALL of them- so I'm not giong to install something I have to wORK to get it so IT works-- because about the time I get it figured out- they CHANGE it (updates every 5 minutes is RIDICULOUS-- stupid)...
Xfce used to be the super light weight desktop but it was super pain. Now my old old laptop can't handle Xfce quickly
Is there a new super lightweight desktop?
LXQt is lighter than XFCE for example.
KDE>Mate>XFCE?
LXQt next!
I genuinely think Cinnamon and Xfce should unite. Besides the language used, there's zero difference.
Why you even using xfce without compiz? O.o Thats baaaad... Try with compiz...
That looks like Windows 98
The best windows after 95.
The problem is that Xubuntu insists in this awful theme for more than 10 years, I agree that Greybird is "coherent", but I believe that Xubuntu really needs a overhaul on the UI.
You can make XFCE look really good and modern without many issues, and the advantage of XFCE over KDE is that you can modify it as you wish without the fear of having bugs.
KDE dev XFCE tries out
I've talked to gnome devs that didn't have a clue about xfce, let alone stuff like openbox, tint, jwm, efl, rox......no clue whatsoever. Completely tunneled into their own little candystore this ain't Kansas Dorothy world. Kinda makes them "professional" idiots. Btw, minimize all other windows but the active one is available on kde. There's, for example, Shake, for which you can even make desktop applications using xdotool. You know...xdotool. Anywho, as an openbox geek I never really liked xfce but , imho, the best implementation of xf was the
for testing xfce, you surly talk a lot about kde ^_^
well, as a KDE Dev, in was my intention to do a comparison
The main problem of XFCE is that it's actually slower than KDE. It's offers similar experience, but has less features, so I don't see any point to use it
Because it's simple, uses less resources and works better on old hardware too.
KDE is a little bloated for me. Although I like that as well.
xfce feels like B.C. for me, i cant like her design
it doesn't look too old though (since it's currently GTK3 based you can use the GTK3 themes for it), but the UX do feel a bit old in general, but for me it's a mix of being traditional and modern at the same time
"Her"? 😂
Not just this DE, but all others except KDE Plasma and Gnome. They are poorly done and stuck in the past taking ages to do something really "big".
The real DEs of the Linux world are only Gnome and KDE Plasma. The most respectful and the one's that aren't afraid of the future.
It's a pity only KDE Plasma and Gnome actually cares in supporting Wayland. The rest just act like Wayland do not exist.
That's not accurate. XFCE has begun planning for Wayland, and most of their programs do actually work on it already. The programs that doesn't work are mostly programs using X11-based specs.
to be fair, there was no need for wayland to exist. same shit with systemd.
@@deesnutz42069 Should I point out the current issues with the Xorg foundation?
XFCE is working on Wayland support.
@@takase5037 They had enough time but prefered not to do anything but be late on supporting like 99% of the other DEs. While on Gnome, Wayland is already the norm. So you can see on Fedora, Ubuntu, not sure but think Debian too.
breeze theme is ugly, we need chrome os like theme
The ownly thing is wayland if it worked with wayland i would try it on kde love it
kde dev xfce tries out