"THIS IS EXTREME" | Student Flips at Vegans
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Meat Eater: "I'm a realist"
...few minutes later: "IF YOU WERE STRANDED ON A DESERTED ISLAND WITH A COW..."
Sometimes people give a figure of speech to make their point come across, sometimes those points sound really stupid but other points they sound great, it just depends on the context.
dimitri fake either way, meat still tastes nice
@@mufc2032 Either way I wasn't even talking about meat but some of them don't tickle my tastes buds but hey, enjoy what you enjoy.
I've been asked that by my cousin, and I asked him what the cow was surviving on. He said the cow had been washed up there (?!) and there was nothing else on the island. I said I'd swim to wherever the cow had come from. He said no, you can't do that. I told him I'd rather starve.
In what universe is any of this even the slightest bit relevant to veganism?!
Elly the point he’s making is if you had something to eat on that island you would eat it, you would not swim to where the cow came from at all 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I try to go vegan but I always get stuck on desert islands :(
If you feel it is important enough to go vegan, then just eat the deserts but be vegan with everything else.
@@SantosAl you know it was a joke, right?...
@@nyong-an706 nope I didn't, I took the comment seriously.
S.A. She meant desert island, not dessert. And when you are vegan, you don’t eat, wear and support the industries who inflict pain on innocent sentient beings. We don’t eat dessert with dairy and eggs. It’s just cruel.
this got me
He acts like you can only advocate for one thing. Like just because we’re vegan doesn’t mean we don’t care about human rights.
Okay you eat the veggies & we eat meat, you don't need to convince us to switch.simple as that.
@@ao1835 It's my job to stand up for those who are suffering and have no voice.
@@avapeters9189 Stand all you want but reality says otherwise, also We have never seen any vegans stand against abortion..etc which seems hypocritical to your so claimed job lol.
@@ao1835 dude this is like the 5th time I see you commenting the same shit. Why are you so obsessed with vegans? 😂
@Fearful Games so brainwashed 😂 that’s not God, that’s the devil himself. None positive loving being will ever want you to harm anyone or anything.
If you claim to believe in God and you murder God creations, your a murder of God. It’s just horrible to think how religious people never worship anything that God actually created. They only worship things that we created in Gods name. Bibles, crosses, churches, syndicates, images of Jesus etc... sadly religious people see God’s creations and all they wanna do it kill them, fk them, rape them, steal their babies, kill them again, fk them again, forget about them.
Religious people got it backwards completely. Forget about the book, God is not in a book, God does not exist on paper, close the fkn book and walk outside and look at what God created. Your actions count, not your belief. But hey, humans are just as easy to control and brainwash as cows and pigs..
Wow, this guy’s turn around is so awesome to see. These conversations are so valuable. When he said “maybe it made more sense back in the day” it made me genuinely happy.
So true
Had the same exact thought!
I didn't expect that "I'll cut my beef" all of a sudden, haha. Truly beautiful!
@tac0cat They're talking about how he questions his own social programming by the end of the conversation and even decides to cut down on his meat consumption. That's unambiguously a good thing.
It made me happy too 😊
Dear goodness...The patience Ed has is everything I strive for.
Well i'm still not becoming vegan but i do like ed! I think ed's problem is he needs to take down capitalism
@@acutecloudd7970Capitalism is a problem too. But why won't you become vegan?
@@ryanwhitaker4444 Because i live int he hood we have access to corner stores with cand and frozen food i don't have the time nor money to spend going to some white hipster grocery store nor. Mc donalds is cheap and when i'm stresse dabout being poor and dealing with real shit i ain't tryin to think about how many potataoe si have to eat in order to get my protein. The reality is when becoming a vegan you have to do a lot of supplementing i don't have money for that i don't have time for that. Give me your pay pal and pay for it then i'll become vegan
It's called lack of testosterone
@@That90sShow srs do dude what the fuck are they on about calling him patient. Like he is in this smaller group trying to force his lifestyle on others...
That dude was weirdly awesome; He's clearly open-minded, ut his body language is telling a whole different story. You can see his inner struggles
Hahhahahaa you clown
@Josh Hough dude he stayed longer and actually listened unlike many meat eaters
@Josh Hough I disagree, but even if he was as you say, it doesn't matter because he stuck with it until he could get over his cognitive dissonance and respected everyone in front of him the whole time. :)
@Larry David you can start plant activism if you're serious about this
@Larry David another plant activist
Ed: "What's more extreme? Taking the life of an animal or not taking the life of an animal?"
Dude: "Killing a human!"
Just crazy 😂🤔
big brain energy
Humans are animals
@@cabbageboi6365 no they're not, our minds & reasoning are far superior than any animal.
@@ao1835 what makes our mind superior and more reasonable than animals? Usage of tools, problem solving skills, memory, or what? Cause different species of animals have those mind skill sets as well, sometimes even better, than humans do.
The dude got there in the end. Im so proud of him.
He had that moment!
"I'm a realist"...."If WE WERE ON A DESERT ISLAND"
Right?! Lmfao🤦🏾♂️
Lol
Realists can have a thought experiment idiot. It's called a hypothetical example.
@@spicecrop Yeah, calling people idiots is really constructive language and helps to get your point across.
😂😂😂
It always seems like the ones who speak out the loudest against veganism are the ones who end up trying it out and opening up to it if you have a good conversation with them. It’s like they’re battling their own conscience. I loved the ending, how he seemed to open up a bit more. Way to go! Conversations are powerful
yeah, that was real cool.
I agree, because I was the same, I was this guy (without the religions nonsense)... Because I knew really I was full of it, but was too proud to accept what I was doing was wrong.
Maximus totally. It’s a really hard thing to swallow and it takes time. It’s reinforced everywhere. I knew but I didn’t know. I wanted to believe that animals had “happy” lives with a “painless” ending. Once I saw footage of the realities, it was hard to live in that dream.
I love passionate people with open minds
its good to try veganism, so you learn to shut up about talking that its healty and nutritional ;)
veganism is a ego baed religion with no connection to nature.
I love the ending of a vegan dieet... all skinny and.... psssh
He was actually a very open minded guy, he was trying to understand while keeping scepticism, that proves he's not ignorant. He did get a little loud but he always kept respect, so please everyone, don't hate him.
Doesn't seem like anyone here is hating him. When you do something your entire life and someone comes along and shows you why and how what you're doing harms other beings unnecessarily, then of course you can't just instantly flip a switch and say "ah, you're right, I will stop consuming animal products". I feel like he will be more conscious about his decisions in the future. They really made a change. It's absolutely amazing :)
I don’t hate him but he needed to be a little more calm, not one person there took a step at him or raised his voice and there is a table between them. He makes good points but also takes things personally
@@Andyyybeeeee its diffucult man, There are like 5 lads..preassure As fuck, Who live that activist life, train arguing for years etc..its like pro debater vs noob.
Okay you eat the veggies & we eat meat, nobody needs your hippy huging tree BS ,simple as that because Animals are part of the food chain...always was & will always will be.
@@ao1835 my fave thing about this comment is the fact that you edited it once to spell check it .... yet you still spell ‘hugging’ incorrectly ...... clearly don’t need meat to feed your brain. Not eating meat has nothing to do with tree hugging. Just saying friend
Earthling Ed has the patience of a saint.
He's a fucking trouble maker.
while he also looks like one
...And a shrunken brain, which happens to most vegans who eat that diet. Don't believe me? Go Google it yourself.
Hes a cock with no idea what really goes on, while you idiots believe him.
and sounds like a fascist
This is what a genuine debate looks like.
No personal insults, no shouting match, no twisting facts(Dave Asprey).
Everyone involved won this debate.
I love how Ed doesn’t make it seem like he’s attacking the person or making them seem like there wrong, he just opens a dialogue and asks simple questions.
How intelligent people argue
@@GaryLee123 facts
@@GaryLee123 because his goals are to change meat eaters mind about what they do. Your not going to change someone’s mind for bashing their opinions and beliefs, so he has a good approach
The Socratic method methinks.
This is something I need to incorporate in my life
Ed has that alpha energy with the calm voice. Extremely persuasive.
I wouldn’t use persuasive to describe it when what he says is objectively true. But he is undeniably reasonable
We are Omnivores, WE NEED MEAT
No vegan is alpha
@@Andyyybeeeee he's persuasive in presenting the facts which support his life choices. I meant it as a compliment.
@@cabbageboi6365 no we're not, and no we don't.
I’m loving this!!! I’ve been vegan for one month today 🙃🌱
Update: been vegan for a year and a half now💚
How's it going? Been vegan for one month too now, i just hope i won't get sick, because then I would have to reconsider what i eat. I'm doing this for the animals
@@adriancostache3233 I've been vegan for about two months now, it's going well
@@jupiterjaeden9163Good job! I feel like I have more energy and also my acne has almost disappeared. Also I feel mentally better
@@adriancostache3233 Make sure to get your B12 supplements, and maybe iron supplements would be good as well. I also take D3. I've been vegan for a bit more than 4 months now, and I'm thinking of getting a blood test soon just to make sure I'm getting all I need. But all in all I feel better than before I started, and I'm totally convinced that especially a whole foods plant based diet is very healthy.
@@Kanzu999 I'm taking a B vitamin complex for vegans which has B12 and it's a liquid you put under your tongue (i think it's absorbed better than pills). I don't take yet any iron supplement because I'm trying to eat foods that contain iron, like tomato paste for example. Also D3 is good, it would be better to go outside in the sun everyday, but I'm not doing that these days.
Good luck with the test!
Respect to the brother at the end though seemed he understood the message:)
Yeah, indeed. Deffo got energy and saw its all social conditioning and such. Unlike the other guy that was extremelly deep in the 'social norm' it was horrible. THis guy here at least was open minded about it, seeking to understand but looking from a different perspective.
@arod93092 I could easily say that you're in a cult also, because you believe society or business advertisements when they tell you that you need meat, milk, and other animal products for certain nutrients.
Yes it was an amazing, I didn't expect it to end like this at all
Jenna Kovacs same
"I did business studies A level"
Doesn't understand supply and demand.
Bruhb😂
D you don’t supply and demand in business, you do that in economics
Omid Gola
Lmfao. You can't do business without a solid understanding of supply and demand, dufus.
Ahahahahahaha
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 business a level isn't a very rigorous subject
9:42 THAT'S MY MAN. MAD RESPECT TO THIS GUY, HE ACTUALLY GETS IT AND HE'S WILLING TO ACCEPT CHANGE
my family called veganism “extreme” too
They won't think it quite so extreme, when they get used to seeing, and hearing about, more of it. 😉💜☺️
Show them videos of animal slaughter and r@&#, after seeing that I doubt they’ll call it “insane”.
veganism is extreme...extremely delicious.
What's the more extreme way of getting milk for your morning coffee?
Growing some plants and blending it up to make a milk, or, tying up and raping cows, taking away their babies, attaching pumps onto them.
@@Jessymandias gotta agree on that ahah ❤
Straight up “I’m not on a deserted island.” And moving on. Yes Ed 🙏🏻
Such razor sharp replies he heard them all
Very smart, but selfish and disgusting attitude. You're not on a deserted island, thats not the case you say, and i say i am not the one killing the cow. You are a man who is using his circumstances to evade a question, as am I: I am merely a vulture who happens to eat a cow that is already dead, and i pay the man who killed it indirectly. You are still not on a deserted island, and probably wont be, and i probable wont be having to kill an animal myself
@@belakis3392 so what if you shoot with a pistol on a creature. Do you kill the creature directly, indirectly or not at all? Did the gun or the bullet kill the creature? or the producer of the gun? obviously everyone has to draw the line for themself in that regard, but i consider buying meat is indirectly killing an animal which is not not killing an animal.
@@SIP871 If I pull the trigger, i directly used a tool to kill an animal. I understand, and agree that buying meat is equivalent with killing animals, they kill it because you pay for it. What I don't agree with is the point he makes is valid, if you don't speak the language of your debate partner, you won't convince them either. "I am not on a deserted island thoguh" is not only ignorant, but evasive answer as well, lots of meat eater can evade questions like that, and they don't need anything from you: you need something from them. Try to win the person, not the debate.
That "I'm not on a desert island, I'm in Sheffield" line killed me 😂
he seems like a good guy, appreciate his interest and participation
Yeah he's pretty open about hearing what Ed & Company has to say.
Totally agree!
I like how that guy represented almost every meat-eater out there including me before going vegan
Same like myself too I was hardcore on dairy, I'd never go without cheese, but it's been some years since I'm vegan I'm beginning to understand better
@@korviscapetrova5269 yeah same here. Dairy cheese was the last bit I eliminate from my diet. Now I'm still eating cheese, just vegan cheese :) luckily it's getting better and better and easier to make the switch :)
@@adrianrale whats your favorite vegan cheese? The ones ive tried are nasty
@@alyssaruiz6585 Good question! If you happen to live in London, I highly recommend La Fauxmagerie. Best cheese I've ever had! I think they also do deliveries. Before, I was living in Málaga and didn't have cheese for over 3 years as I couldn't find any decent ones. So I understand the struggle :D
@@adrianrale well if they can deliver to the usa that would be great lol
It never fails, when a person knows he is wrong he becomes arrogant. Most people don't seem to realize that vegans used to eat meat, the question is why they changed.
I am working my hardest to be able to debate people like Ed. It is so so so important to remain respectful and calm when talking to people like this. It's not about fighting because that's why veganism has such a bad wrap. All vegans should be looking up to Ed to spread their message. I know we are all enraged by how animals are treated but being calm when questioning people. Very well done. I love you so much for what you do. Keep pushing on you are making a bigger difference than you realize.
That's best for any debate. I cant convince someone their political views are wrong I have to show them. At times you have to treat it like your talking to a child because some people really dont know any better.
Btw I just ate a delicious hamburger while watching this and I feel a little guilty.
Fativore Lifestyle oh dear....
@Fativore Lifestyle if by "no pesticides" you mean organic, organic isn't better for the environment.
Please convince me to eat precious plants 🌱
Fativore Lifestyle ya I just don’t get it honestly - do be a vegan because it’s your choice and you think it’s best go for it - but to force it on others and call it a healthy diet choice is just nonsense. It’s a new religion, funny considering they keep making fun of christians
I love the face that everyone pulls when he goes "if you were on a desert island"
And therin lies the problem. If someone with an opposing view gives you their opinion and you collectively or individually roll your eyes at them, they are less likely to receive what you are saying than if you smile at them and logically get your point across. The sooner vegans learn this the better.
Christopher Mallett True yet so hard to do. But I’m learning how to keep my cool.
@@Butterflyneverlands not "keeping your cool" because someone has a different view/opinion says more about you than it does about them
Christopher Mallett What does it say about me? That I have little patience for people who insist in causing suffering, misery and pain just because they’re selfish? I don’t mind that. Yet, I do understand that keeping a cool head you can get your point across a bit better even if the odds are low.
@@Butterflyneverlands "people who insist on causing suffering"?? This is your problem. They do not "insist" it is merely a byproduct of their decision making (rightly or wrongly). Most, if not all meat eaters would insist on no cruelty to animals. They are not sadistic murderers like vegans make out just to suit their agenda. This "I don't care because I'm on the side of right" and "that's fine by me I don't care what people think because animals" attidude is what fails. Nothing else.
I wish I could be as patient and calm as Ed .
I would’ve had a stroke by the end of the conversation with this guy 😭🥵
That's why we all need to watch more of his videos - his, and Joey Carbstrong's. That way, we can learn how to answer our family's and friends' questions with the same patience & finesse. 😉💜☺️
6:51 "DESERT ISLAND"
Me -OMG NO HE DIDN'T PLAY THAT CARD!!!
Ed has such an enormous patience. Love this guy.
so he's basically saying "I'm not supporting the industry because i'm choosing to be ignorant about how my food is derived"
Which makes completely zero sense.
Saying animals don't get the choice of being killed for consumption.... But yeah plants can talk and are voluntarely killing themselves to be eaten by vegans... Give me a break dude.
@uh jeff
That's incorrect. He always asks: "What's more important, your taste buds or the life of an animal?" He always specifically asks about animals, not about any sort of living entity in general.
Vegans do not act like plants aren't living things. But they do realize that there is a scientifically proven difference between an animal -- who is sentient, can feel pain and suffering, and has a strong desire to live their life -- on one hand and a plant -- which isn't capable of any of these things -- on the other hand.
Humans have to eat something to survive. We can either eat plants, which don't feel pain or suffering, or animals, who suffer greatly when we choose to kill them for our taste pleasure.
Also, consider the obvious: The animals we eat are eating plants themselves (like soy and corn). So plants are going to be used for our food either way. And, for example, it takes roughly 10kg of plants to produce 1kg of beef. So by eating beef, you are effectively not only killing a cow, but also using much more plants than on a vegan diet. That's why eating animal products isn't only bad for the animals, it's also bad for the environment and thus, for humans as a whole.
@Marius Olsen u should feel sick of yourself-how dare you try and force meat into someone's mouth. Fucking dog
@@simondemuynck3244 but are plants sentient beings ?
Ed, I don't know how you keep your cool sometimes! I admire your patience, really
Gravybake Gill No need to call him names like that is there? Obviously he is talking rubbish but its just ignorance, many people just do not realise the truth behind the industry, I didnt know that much until i became vegan. At least the guy shook their hands and ultimately was respectful, many people are not.
Gravybake Gill in the end he was respectful. He shook everyone's hands and ask their names. This guy comes across a bit aggressive at times but I don't think it was intentional to try and intimidate. He was agreeing with alot of their points but clearly he is ignorant of the animal industry and doesn't quite understand it yet.
Either way I don't think comments like yours are helpful in any situation, certainly helpful to the cause of promoting veganism
Gravybake Gill if one is going to condemn then condemn the behaviour or action, not the person. This man may often be a decent compassionate person (or he may not, IDK) and his aggressive persona may have only been because he was taking Ed's arguments too personally or that cognitive dissonance was stressing him. Yes he was aggressive and intimidating but it was in the confines of the debate, he never attacked anyone personally (or if he did then I missed it) and he did accept what Ed said at the end and stated that nothing was personal.
Gravybake Gill get over yourself man jeez
It all comes down to ego, and you are most likely just as afflicted by it as he is. It is strange how we as humans do not recognize our inherent selfishness.
Right now there are beings suffering and dying, and you could do something about it. You could, instead of wasting money on things you deem pleasurable, spend it to safe another beings life. But you are not, and the only reason is because you are selfish. You are not willing to sacrifice pleasure for the life of another being, and you make that decision every single minute of your life. We all do that, just to different degrees.
The devil lives in all of us, because we are the devil. Only when we sacrifice ourselves completely will we see what it truly means to be good. Inaction causes just as much death and suffering in the world as action does.
Just listen to you mind right now, how it will come up with all sorts of excuses. In the end, the money you spend to go to the cinema, or to buy yourself fancy clothes, could all have saved another beings life if you invested it that way. But you are not, and all it would cost you is comfort. To look at that and realize what it is that drives that decision is to know yourself. Once you realize how powerful the egoic mind is, you will be more humble and more understanding of all the evildoers in this world. Because you will realize that the potential of absolute evil is within you, and it is all fundamentally the inability to sacrifice for what you know is good.
That is what the story of Jesus Christ was supposed to show us. He sacrificed his life for what he knew to be good. And now look at you, and realize that you are not even willing to give up a few minutes of your day to safe another being from suffering.
You have to recognize that, only then will you understand the source of all evil. It is not Hitler, it is not meat eaters, it is fundamentally you yourself. The one who cannot sacrifice himself is the one who will cause the most suffering, and the peace in this world is dependent on how far we are willing to sacrifice ourselves for it.
The greatest irony of it all is that once the egoic mind is let go you will enter the kingdom of heaven. You will be more blissful than you could have ever imagined possible. Because once you let go of yourself, there will be no reason to suffer, because there will be no one to suffer. The more selfish you are the greater is your capacity for suffering, and that is precisely why some people will prefer eating meat over vegetables. They are so selfish that they cannot bear the suffering, the discomfort, that will result from giving up their comfort. Of course, you are less selfish than they are, but you are not yet what you could be. You are still too selfish to sacrifice comfort for another being. You will suffer too greatly if you give up your fancy clothes and you good relationships that depend on them. There is only one way to find true peace in life, and that is to let go of yourself and surrender completely to reality. When you let go, you will be able to do anything, because nothing will make you suffer. You will stop being a slave to pleasure, fear and greed. Instead you will be able to do what you truly deem as worthy, and nothing will be able to keep you from doing it.
Sadly you will most likely not even believe that you can reach such a state in life, when you can just look and see people who are living proof of it.
Ed you are so kind, intelligent, and eloquent. You have an amazing ability to convey vegan message. Keep it up. Your voice matters.
"I studied business for A level"
Excuses but no answers.
exactly.
it´s always like this. because they can´t find answers, because there are none. they show somehow how afraid they are about the behavior they have been so long into.
But the hardest thing is to plant the vegan seed in family.
outreach on AV is quite hard. But the more you do you better get in talking to stranger people. and watching videos like this and many more from Ed are motivating to do the same on demonstrations and Flyering on streets with friends.
Have a good evening Smifskii.
MsRaspberry86 I think you got me a little mixed up, I meant the guy was full of excuses but couldn’t answer the simple questions Ed was asking. Instead of thinking about the reality which Ed was explaining, he chose to make excuses and get more intolerant.
Excuses being “that’s the circle of life”
ohw sorry i understood what you meant, but i wrote the wrong word. I wanted to write answers. sorry for my mistake. pardon.
gonna change that. thx for the hint.
Because going to a grocery store to buy meat is exactly what our ancestors did.
It sounds like every meat eater regularly gets lost on desert islands lmao...
That's quite the assumption. Most of smartest people in history ate meat.
how smart were they if we are still in the shit lol
+Melanie A Fuego, Einstein being a vegetarian doesn't deny the statement that most intelligent people in history ate meat.
It’s all that brain fog.
+Bruce S I assume that's irony because I am sure the opposite is true. . .Usually the majority are wrong about everything and slowly catch up. However, majority and minorities have no influence at all on right and wrong.
So glad that guy was willing to change his mind and wasn't in the slightest seemed damaged by his ego. Kudos to him!
How refreshing to see men communicating with respect. No swearing, fighting and fear of someone's opinion.
"2.7 trillion humans are dying because of sugar every year?" Uffff
More people die from sugar than eating animals you dumb fuck.
Kyle B lmao the biggest cause of death is heart disease bro, saturated fat and cholesterol! Sugar/carbs is inversely related with atherosclerosis and heart disease
@@ThomasG_Nikolaj LMFAO
Kyle B so ignorant
It's been proven that going on a vegan diet dies not lower risk for heart disease, and can actually increase it!
That ended well. I’m not that surprised. You are pretty great at what you do. Good work!
I love his calm assertiveness! So patient. ❤️
He is a pussy and lack of testosterones because he is malnourished
Ed is amazing. He has that confidence and patience to get the message across. His passion is inspiring.
@@petar29able Too true.
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I wish the people stood around wouldn't butt in, I can imagine he feels his arguing with everyone stood there. Love the way you argue your points Ed, the world needs more people like ya
Yeah but it was edited so that convo was prolly twice as long if not longer so different dynamics were likely at play which made them need to jump in.
Yeah I whole heartedly agree, it's the one thing I dislike about these videos - it needs to be a fair 1 on 1 conversation
Yeah, but they probably bonded a bit over the fact that they all have beards.
Thank you Ed, I've learn so much on how to talk to others, especially family about being a vegan from watching your videos. I'm working on not letting my emotions take over. My goal is to represent veganisim the way you do calmly, logically, with facts and being able to figure out the best way to talk to each individual person.
glad you feel like you learn a lot from the videos! i’m sure you’ll do an amazing job :)
Why is the british version of dj khalid here? "Beef's the best!" LMAO
Jose S. IV lmao
Btec DJ khaled
hahahaga
Mental gymnastics with DJ Khaled
Jose S. IV why are you ???
This guy is totally overacting, you can't tell if he's aggressive or not
Haha the way he ends the video “and now because of the chat, you know now not to buy animal products right?” 😂😂 The man
Your videos are the best for learning how to have a respectful, productive conversation about veganism. I’m learning so much. Ask questions, and keep a calm, steady tone in your voice
glad you think so, thank you :)
I agree! He is doing it the right way...
James Aspey is also a good example
Music & Munchies 💯 Agreed.
Even Earthling Ed sometimes loses it :) But generally he's pretty darn good :)
Tony4nderson right on! I love James too! He does some fantastic stuff for sure
this was
a
really good debate
vegan for 7 months yas yas
Awesome!! Me too!
niceeee, keep going strong❤
Still vegan?
this is what we need. no fighting or arguments, just an open mind and some compassion.
The dude did not flip out. He is just emotionally involved in the conversation and was super respectful. Change the titel.
I'm guessing you're either not vegan or not someone who stands up for the animals.
exactly guy was actually very respectful and tried to be involved and argue, he even agreed on some points. Misleading title ruins the message this video is trying to send
Maybe don't tell people to change something you aren't even spelling it right 😉
sirens go off...grammar police here
He was aggressive. Unless you are like him....and then he was “emotional”
I'm not a vegan, but I have to admit Ed is patient, collective, and provides well though out and articulated arguments.. Kudos to you bro.. I'm definitely on board with consuming less meat
Not patient just ignorance to facts.
As Ed would say... why stop there? :)
Isaac Ward 🙂👍🏽💗🌅
I started consuming less meat, then stopped at the fish also, then I became a vegetarian, and today I'm 3 weeks into veganism, all this took me 3 years.
Believe me, I loved the taste, for 27 years of my life, but I've never felt healthier. Dropped 35 pounds in these 3 years, started training, totally changed my life for good. Also I've learn to cook vegan meals. And my wife loves it.
Cheers on consuming less animal meat, good for you :)
Have a nice day.
@@sailenthotcarathot8540 youll be back😂
Ed can talk to people where I would’ve popped off 😭
I’m from Spain, went vegan thanks to you 💖
You did good my friend
m00n .76 thanks more meat for me I love burgers steak and chicken
I copied You you pay to people who torture animals, does that feel right to you?
Marisha it doesn’t feel right but I don’t see a problem with it
I copied You ok, sorry if I am being a little harsh, but you don’t see a problem in what? Killing abusing animals and then killing them? If so, would you see a problem if it was a dog or a cat? Or is it ok to kill a chicken and not ok to kill a cat. They all have feelings, they all feel pain, but I understand Veganism is a big change and not everyone can do it right away.
Take care 💚💚💚
I had a similar conversation with a vegan once. I didn’t change anything for a while but that seed that they had sewn grew until 3 years later I went vegetarian. I’m now transitioning to a vegan lifestyle.
I think it’s really not so important to “win the argument“ against meat eaters- rather to remain respectful and give them something to think about. It has a greater impact than you realise.
Olivia Webster So how is it going, just a word of advice, humans are omnivores, my brother was a vegan for 12 years, until his doctor told him if you want to live till sixty, you have to eat meat, shit fucked up his health, and dont start telling me he did it wrong, he researched that shit do the core, but it just wore down his body, the first thing that went bad was his eye sight, everything in life isn't morally right, I'm not preaching you should not be vegan, have a nice day.
This is so full of this. Your brother must have not been doing it properly. You need to balance the nutrition properly.
@@Slushie925 You must have not read my comment, beacause he did do it properly, just the mather of fact that he had to take supplement pills and so on, because he wasnt getting what his body was needing, it just comes down to the person, no hate but it fucked up his health, that is a fact ✌
@@Slushie925 What balance are you talking about? Not eating properly? I hope you are not one of those people that compare humans to cows, just the fact that a cow has to eat a ridiciolous amount of weeds just to get the requiered iron out of it, it has evolved so it can manage with it, shit the thing has like four stomachs to cope with it. I say it again if you want a healthy and normal life, it dosent mean u cant eat meat, peace ✌
This is so true
Brad' s facepalm when "desert island" was deployed. LOL
“this beef was killed, legit”
😂
I'm so glad that it clicked in the end. And he was respectful and that says a lot.
Ed, you communicate in such a way that people simply get it! Your activism is saving the lives of so many innocent animals! Thanks for your great work. 👍
Religious reason *I rolled my eyes so hard they broke the light barrier.*
Why you being intolerant of peoples beliefs and faiths you bigot.
Don't believe Rush is a bigot for saying someone is using their religious belief as an excuse. I'm Christian and I'm vegan. I don't take offence to this statement.
@@Buddyboyo7 religion is cancer
Ard Jerems “wHy aRe yOu BEiNg iNtOLeRaNt?”
*Slits cow’s throat*
@@Buddyboyo7 I don't care if someone believes in something, it's that they are using the supposed existence of a creator justifies murdering, torturing and raping animals. if I discovered tomorrow this is a video game or Spongebob is real, or Jesus, or anything else, that doesn't change ethics.
This dude was awesome honestly. Almost all of us didn't start out as vegan, so we should respect anyone who tries to respectfully engage with us.
This guy was very cool. Usually the carnists are so close-minded
Cognitive Dissonance at its finest....
edononewheel hey tard sauce I spelled it the way you spelled it!
"I studied business for A Level"
That statement literally adds 0 credibility to his argument lol!
I love it when he makes angry vegan-haters go speechless because they know he’s right 👌🏻
A great guy who had his eyes opened on this issue. He stood his ground but was internally open to other people's ideas and thats why he managed to understand what they are saying. Good job Ed for delivering your arguments so calmly and elegantly
This was so painful to watch, I applaud your patience and dedication Ed.
'And now...because of our chat...you know not to buy animal products right?' - got a hearty chuckle out of me =D
"i did business a-level"
- has no concept of supply and demand 😂😂😂😂😂
Love how Ed stays so calm.
This man is open minded and struggling to make his decision. It's a good conversation and I respect his willingness to learn.
Never seen such a passive aggressive handshake in my life 😂
Ed, keep up the amazing work 🙌🏼
I noticed that too! Made me cringe =/
I hate the lingering handshake. So awkward. No idea why people do it!
Harry Rose It's a physically aggressive way of asserting control over the other person, while deceitfully using a symbol of friendliness and agreement.
Candy Colored Clowns I hope that he's feeling mad in the moment since he was proven wrong, but he will hopefully actually change his future actions for the better.
At least the guy didn't resort to profanity (unless it was edited out), looks like he was full of zeal about his opinions but did leave looking like he'd genuinely think differently when purchasing meat.
At the beginnin, it seemed as if he wouldn’t change his ways at all, but at the end, he seemed more compassionate and that he may have been ready for challenge 22, hope he took it and went vegan
If more people in this world had that kind of patience we'd live in such a better place.
What is your secret? Teach me your ways!
The way you articulate every argument is perfection
Excellent! I saw the wheels turning in his head! Very good!
I was "no way he's gonna flip with 90 seconds left" and then all of the sudden out of nowhere......
"Alright cool, i'll cut down on my beef yeah"?
yyyyyyeeeeeessssssssssssssss
The guy was ok by the end, he showed them all respect.
That was beautiful. How another human brings down the wall with pure information!! Knowledge is power. Thank you!! 🙏🏻
I love the ending. This is how it all starts. Defensive, denial, understanding, and then finally accepting of the truth. I used to despise vegans, and now I am a proud vegan and have gain the interest of family and friends. It went from one vegan (me), then my son and husband, and now 4 others want to learn it all
9:26 “alright, I’ll cut down on my beef yeah”
Henry Gauntlett I SAW YOUR COMMENT RIGHT WHEN HE SAID THAT
MANS NOT HOT
This makes me so happy, two passionate people having an argument and just being real with each other. I'd love both of them to be my friends 💪
I strive to have at least half of the patience Ed has.. it's just admirable.
People need to lay off the guy. He could of just walked passed of pretended to agree and then forgot about this. If you have a debate with someone for over 10 minutes and do not win, you'll remember that situation for years to come. Some people have to debate/resist because they working it out in their mind. It's playing devils advocate with themselves. Will he stop eating meat, I don't know, but at least now he feel guilt and wrestle with the idea......and all because he saw a VR headset on a table.
Totally agree Fruit Farm Factory - it's not about winning and losing, it's about getting an idea out there and talking about it. I'm glad he cared enough to talk x
He was stubborn, but so were most of us before going vegan. He spoke truthfully and in the end, went home with a strong seed planted in his mind. It was awesome.
Killing an innocent being unnecessarily is always wrong. You've just been conditioned by a fucked up society to agree that killing is normal.
If killing pets is wrong, what's the difference with killing cow, pigs, chicken or sheep?
manuveggie not true , primite people have kill innocent animals even if they don't live in society.
For sure. But, are you primitive? Just because we've been doing something for a long time, it doesn't make it morally justified to do it today. We've been killing babies as human sacrifices, raped and tortured each other for centuries, does it make it okay today? No, of course not. Today, in 2018, there is absolutely no need to kill an animal to be able to have a good meal and be healthy.
ED! I've spent the past week binge watching your videos. You're a magical being.
Natalie Murray here here
Binge watching with steak
Madelyn Seidel I don't understand. Binge watching with steak. What does this mean? Like a joke or like actually eating a steak and binge watching this. If not a joke what purpose does this comment serve? Is it self serving and at the intended expense of another? If so maybe you might consider repeatedly listening to the basic premise of the message. Keep watching and feel free to enjoy whatever animal part makes you feel most comfortable because obviously your comfort is of the upmost importance. But maybe after some more watching your subconscious might grasp some more of the intended message. This message is infecting everyone so it doesn't matter how long one holds out. It is coming for all of us
It's really refreshing to see a conclusion in the end where there's some kind of understanding
That ending was everything. I really appreciate that student
Damn... Imagine all that passion and confidence he has within him redirected towards speaking up about veganism.
Powerful video brother
Omg so true, that's what I thought
Ma_Saby16 can I ask a question? What would you do if you people have converted everyone in the first world in to vegans?? What of the third world? Where people cannot grow food so they turn into livestock for food? Its not a question of whether ot not we can survive without eating meat, its a question for some people on whether or not they can grow food instead of having livestock that can eat plants humans cannot, and intern said humans can eat the livestock for their survival. That is thr exact reason i cannot take vegans seriously, you people are ignorant and over privileged
sure you can ask. I have family in Eritrea (east africa) which is a third world country and they eat a vegan diet out of necessity :) plants are the cheapest foods, for example chickpeas, tomatoes, lentils, grains etc. These are the cheapest food there, that's why they eat a plantbased diet in their daily lives. When I was younger and went there to visit, they bought and slaughtered a goat out of respect for us as visitors from germany, which they normally wouldn't do, because of the price. Why would you say that vegans in particular are privileged? We are ALL privileged in the first world countries, because we can choose what to eat on a daily basis by going to the supermarket. Vegans try to use the privilege to minimize harm and suffering as much as possible. Maybe you'll think about it.
Ma_Saby16 these are the types of conversations that really makes me believe in humans, i point out something and you correct me, I started on an agrresive tone, even threw a few offensive words out and yet you answered me still with respect and educated me, I wanted you to go agressive on me but no you pointed me on the right direction and I appreciate that.
On your point in about them having vegan diets, I still fail to see it as sustainable that is 1 community out of thousands more, I've been in the mountains in the Philippines, in Sagada where they literally carved out mountains just to plant rice, and other plants and yet it is still not enough to feed them, sure governments help them but is it sustainable? Far from it, all I am saying is that untill we find a sustainable way to have everyone first and third world fed, veganism only shifts the governments attention from other bigger problems, I work for a media group and I have seen what people who lives in remote places do in order to survive, i visited islands in polynessia where agriculture is virtually none existent because even the fressh water in the island has salt, I've seen people eat bugs during the dry season because no plant can grow, nothing can change that fact, veganism is not something that is sustainable, at least not at the moment.
Absolutely if he turns his way of thinking to animal rights he'd be such an incredibly passionate advocate.
Butterfly effect tho.
Eating beef is justified when it's the only thing that helps you recover and regenerate your body, idiot. Me and so many other people cannot maintain health on any type of vegan diet. Raw meat saves lives, veganism destroys your health from lack of fats and proteins. Dr. Aajonus Vonderplanitz, creator of the Primal Diet, author of We Want To Live: the Primal Diet", and "The Recipe for Living Without Disease", his raw Primal Diet has helped thousands of people around the world regain health when plant-based diets didn't work for them. Watch this interview with Dr. Aajonus Vonderplanitz ---
- ruclips.net/video/mVP9HqV8yoY/видео.html
No to ethics because of tho!
Butterfly effect. That's a new one. "All actions are ethically equivalent because of chaos theory."
Debate me about veganism, on video.
vlt11spc Is this the new "fight me IRL"?
"Ait I'll cut down on ma beef yeah?" I must say this guy argues poorly af but I love his energy. Very entertaining to watch.
This is incredible well done Ed! So patient and putting across your options in a respective manner
This guy says "He studies business on A-level" .... Well he doesn't even know the very basics of supply and demand, i'm pretty sure that he is not going to complete his study with a good grade....
Jonas Hansen oh good one mate. U r hilarious
A-levels are the UK's equivalent to the junior and senior year of high school. So he basically said that he studied business at a high school level.
Blue Juneau im taking business in school right now, THAT SHIT IS A JOKE
This doesn't really have to do with his understanding of supply and demand but rather his mind attempting to handle cognitive dissonance between his self-image and his actions.
His reaction is perfectly normal in its irrationality.
The fact that he actually finally corrects his position makes him strong and admirable.
Taste tho, i don’t kill them tho, circle of life tho, nature tho, desert island tho, society tho, humane slaughter tho, i don’t think tho.... pretty much sums up his arguments.
Made me laugh =D
veganism weakness and mentall illness makes me laugh even more.
when it comes to bedating veganism I always bring up digestion, makes for a better argument!
tell me about having 4 stomaches like a cow - nature wont lie ;)
veganism = ego based religion suckers
try me and lose!
We don't eat grass...
zengerz lol I'm not a vegan but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Most of the main causes of death like heart disease come from eating meat so why does it kill us if our bodies are designed to eat it? Even if our bodies were adapted to consume meat better we still don't have to do it so just saying that we should eat meat because we can digest it isn't a valid argument because we have any food we want available to us so don't need to eat meat and cause an animal to suffer isrbeur argument so the whole premise of your own argument against them is flawed so you loose without even starting the argument I'm afraid!
legit, I think I got a bicep pump from how tough you talk. You must be woke as fuck. Also, it’s not very beta to deviate from the norm - it’s actually rather beta to adhere to convention. But let me guess, you know what alpha is because you’ve been into body building for a few years, and maybe you dabbled with sports when you were younger - but you’ve never been talented enough to excel at either. So now you put topless photos of yourself as you dp on your RUclips account - that you use to call people you don’t agree with pussies? Fuck man, you real sad. If you engaged in a legit conversation instead of getting ‘triggered’ like a ‘snowflake’ maybe you’d have some friends, and you wouldn’t only feel good about yourself when punching a keyboard.
I love the passion and compassion both sides model here. Thank you for posting this.
Society is judged by how we treat animals. Thanks Ed for speaking out ❤❤❤❤
Ed, you have taught me so much, I have now been vegan 3 months and I am loving my new way of life. You are such an inspirational human being and if it wasn’t for you I would still be sad and depressed. So I just wanted to say thank you so much for being who you are!
Edit: I’ve just hit 1 year of being vegan and I can confidently say that it has been the best year of my life, I’ve learnt so much, I’m much healthier and I’ve inspired my friends and family to change their mindset on the matter, anyone considering veganism go for it! 🌱🌱
Gravybake Gill ha ha 😂😂
thank you for turning vegan Chloe.
Congrats Chloe! I've been vegan for a year. You can always learn something new about activism, new foods to try and make. There are a host of great activism and vegan cooking channels on RUclips. Good job on being on the right side of history!
Chloe Young I have been vegan since Jan 1... was a vegetarian for 20 years, but I was still buying butter and cheese. Almond milk for life!
Chloe Young: I am vegan since 2004 and every time I read a message like yours I find it great! I became vegan when I was 38; you, much earlier in life, it is so beautiful to see young human beings like you, so open minded and willing to face the reality of the biggest atrocities in the world history and to change for a more compassionate life. You are great, and I am sure that you will inspire other people. I wish you all the best!
Well done. You planted a seed there...
I feel like Ed has an answer for everything
I love how people always stutter when Ed asks “what’s a humane way of killing an animal”
1 nice bullet between the eyes..boom... mmmm steak
Humaine means with less pain or stress to the animal as possible. Why dont you protest Papua new Guinea and its cannibals!!??
@Rickie j what's that got to do with eating a steak? Nice try though. Moving on
@Rickie j There technically isn't one. That's why there are people protesting abortions which is a different subject altogether.
@Rickie j what? If you dont think we should kill fetuses than you should have the same morals to animals. Don't be a hypocrite
I'm really glad his happened, and as an Asian man that's a vegan, I've heard both sides of this argument but Ed you stayed calm and addressed everything perfectly. Great conversation and video!
OMG this is amazing, LOVE HIM AND LOVE YOU, it takes a lot of humility to engage in a conversation when you disagree especially when your faith is involved, so a lot of respect for this guy
Respect to this man he had a strong opinion but was open minded, was respectful and I genuinely think he learned something. Love the animals! ❤️ 🌱
Ed, you are MAGIC. It's amazing how calm and relaxed you are during these sorts of interactions. I was beginning to fume just watching this guy from behind my computer. You are such a good example for every vegan advocate. You're just SO COOL. And it seems like you really got through to him on some level.