Ivy League Students vs Vegan: "How Do You Justify BEING Vegan?"
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2019
- 🌱 If you find my work valuable, you can become a regular supporter or make a one-off contribution through the following links (thank you!): earthlinged.org/support & / earthlinged
✉️ Find out more about what I do & sign up to my newsletter: earthlinged.org
📚 Download my FREE 122 page e-book: earthlinged.org/ebook
💡 Make the switch to vegan & get all of the support you need: switchtovegan.co.uk
Connect:
🌐 Find more content on Instagram: / earthlinged
🌐 Follow on Facebook: / earthlingedpage
The Disclosure Podcast:
🎙️ iTunes: apple.co/3853BF2
🎙️ Spotify: spoti.fi/37ZtGVS
🎙️ RSS feed: feeds.buzzsprout.com/254157.rss
Make the switch to vegan & get all of the support you need: switchtovegan.co.uk
Become a supporter of my activism & university touring here (thank you!): www.earthlinged.org/support
FREE 122 page e-book: www.earthlinged.org/ebook
Did you really have a lecturer?? 😂
nooo no more wild animals killing each other, i think we should stop them from ripping each other's flesh, as much as we can. its a big project but we can do it. we are the parents of the planet!!! wild animal suffering is huge!
I live in a food desert in the rural south of Missouri, where the "culture" is fast food and animal products. Living on 13k a year, I am still eating a plant-based diet. Don't speak for people.
I completely agree, I'm a financially disadvantage college student and I make around 5k a yr and I'm able to live off of an alternative eating lifestyle. I hate when ppl talk about how it is impossible for ppl like me to live off of an alternative lifestyle, it is the opposite actually. It's all about the conscious choices we make.
Rich, liberal students love speaking for people who have experiences no where near their own
13k a year still puts you above the billions of people in the world who couldn't ever hope to afford whatever device you're posting banal comments with. Check your privilege dude.
@@rorylee3582 LOL Look at you, typing on a computer. You must be rich to afford steaks AND an Internet connection which you only use to sneer at people with morals. Jealous?
@@dragonskylords9032 I don't own a computer, I'm using an old Motorola phone I bought second hand :/ and I never claimed I wasn't extremely privileged to be born in an affluent western country, I wasn't crying poor at all, I have plenty of money.
"I go by society" "I believe in Westernization" "I believe in American exceptionalism"
EEEEEEK this dude makes my head hurt.
Summing up the first student's philosophy: 'Our culture is better than everyone else's and we should spread our values to the less enlightened'...Maybe he should look up what (mainly) British and French imperialists did in Africa a couple of centuries ago and see if he finds the ideological similarities desirable. Perhaps a bit harsh, given that he clearly hadn't given it a great deal of thought, but that is part of the point. Speaking of unfavourable associations, 'I am just following society' is no more defensible than 'I was just following orders', which definitely did not stand up at the Nuremberg trials. Again, not saying at all that Student 1 is a Nazi, just that laziness in laying out your philosophical views can come across really badly, especially when you make sweeping generalisations.
I agree with that on most that he said actually.. I felt like Ed had finally meet his match on that one
What that guy was saying was pretty spot on
@@J.mansel4291 if he truly believed in capitalism he would let the dairy farms shut that currently have massive subsidies from the US government because people have chosen to put plant based milk on their cereal.
Madeline Parker He put his money where his mouth is. You should too and move to country you like more. I did.
"I go by society"... yikes...
J. Chacon I THOUGHT THAT TOO! I was like you’re an Ivy League student and can’t think for yourself? I’m glad I go to a state university now lol
@@Mylkygoddess 😂😭😂
And he is supposed to be a free thinker from Brown.
Lol, let's be honest. The reality here is that you're all basic bitches, and despite your moral high ground, you'd all fail just as miserably as this guy did if you were pitted against the carnivorous equivalent of ed then forced to debate the morality of veganism.
@@mynamejeff7872 please share with us the carnist equivalent of earthling ed
"I do whatever society tells me to do."
Unbelievable.
Not unbelievable...
Murica
@Susage Boy But killing or enslaving people is also fun and useful. Morality cant be based on those factors!
Susage Boy WTF
u went to school didnt u
Writes in English, because society taught them too. Hypocrisy lol
"You can't ask people to be vegan from your privileged standpoint" "I can, however, use my privilege to justify not veing vegan"
THIS 🙌
I've come to dispise that word. It's always used to shove the blame or responsibility on someone else. And use by people who look at problems systametically instead of the induvidual.
👏 well said.
This exactly, is what I was thinking. How can this person be so illogical.
Excellent point.
It is so frustrating to hear the same argument again and again: "I am against veganism bacause you need to be privileged to live that way" ... Coming from the most privileged people in the world. We are not talking about Mongolians or Saharian nomads living off of their camels and goats. We are talking about YOU, an IVY LEAGUE student. You have no problem living at peace with your privilege when it comes to air travel or overall ressource consumption, but now THIS is a problem? The hypocrisy!
... Not even gonna talk about the fact that smart veganism does not have to be expansive...
🤣🤣🤣fax
Says a white person from Western world with imperialist history who destoried all vegan buddhist countries in the East and called their culture as savage. Now they claim veganinsm is much clever way of living and calling the meat eaters savages. Veganism is a first world problem. Start thinking about repairing the crimes you've done to the humans in the other parts of the world in the past rather than thinking about rights for the animal. White perialists elitist agenda makes me wanna vomit the last meat I had for lunch.
@@anonanon4320 Veganism is not a problem at all. Excessive meat/dairy consumption is. And I think reducing the impact on global warming by going vegan does indeed help "countries in the East". Because they do might not have the ressources to tackle climate change effects. Because they where raided and colonized and exploited by western countries, true.
I just don't see how not going vegan will help anyone. XD
@@TillDerWilly Stop exploiting third world countries is the direct solution. Not eating meat is such a convoluted way of justifying unrealistic moral virtue of the narsistic elites of the Western countries. Stop invading other countries. Pay the compensation. Give up your privilege. Feed meat to the malnourished people in the third world countries. It is their dream to have the taste of meat on their tongue. North Koreans die of hunger after eating grass and bark of the trees. Vegan = American fascist elite's moral dream
@@anonanon4320 Please reconsider what you just wrote. It is actually painfully hypocritical.
The fact that he's "justifying" eating sentient beings because he's following suit is such a cop out. You're not justifying anything, you're simply admitting to being a weak sheep.
See: Stanford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiment for an understanding of how people react under peer and authority pressure.
@@joetogo3435 Who is pressuring him? He admits to taking a conscious effort in consuming meat, he's okay with it. Willful ignorance.
Agree, that's just a more grown up version of the vintage child excuse "But Mommy, they did it too!".
How do you know vegetables are sentient?
@B. BoB. In any other circumstance I would agree. This was a debate on veganism. The whole point to a debate is to debunk the other person.
Just fed myself for a week on $17.89 and it was 100% vegan.
tell that to liberals when i say it im being an "eleitist nazi"
how?
What do you plan on making mate, I'm interested? Doing cheap meals is so unapetising to me
I'm not good at cooking cheap
I here ya...i always want the beyond sausages n all ha.
So "veganism is a priviledge" is his argument...yet he's going to an expensive university?
I suppose he sidestepped the question of 'how do YOU justify not being vegan' and answered an easier one. I don't know of any other country in the world that has this food desert problem. Most people in the world fall somewhere between having access to any kind of food they want (i.e. living in a wealthy city) or having to survive on the cheapest, locally-grown plant foods they can get their hands on. The US is a strange mixture of contradictions: One the richest nations, while also one of the most unequal; spends the most on healthcare, yet is one of the least healthy; is a 'leading liberal democracy', and yet has serious inequality...
and Ed's right there looking at his michael kors cap and being nice enough not to assume he's a privileged kid
"Society tells me it's ok, and I'm ok buying into that".... This, my friends, is exactly what we're up against. SMH
Being vegan needs privilege????? I don't work, my mom pays for everything, we have 2 hundred or less euros for food. We survive on vegan food. Meat is a food for millionaires. Look at grains - they are the cheapest products. Couscous, oats, lentils - cost cents per portion. A 12 ounce canned meat in walmart almost 9 dollars!
I was so confused when he brought that up lol
We survive on vegan food. The thing is i dont want to survive, i want to live
@@karldelta she just said she's on a tight budget dipshit
yes its about priveleged people slumming it on the vacation dark side of living on a slave diet.
@@rimson_ways3254 LOLZ :D Well, I eat very well, and am able to make it very yummy using spices and stuff. Don't need to spend thousands.
"I took some philosophy classes." Oh, here we go lol.
But he's open minded and brings a good point at the ent :)
Saying boom at the end of a sentence empowers your argument.
@@artikular7317 humans are carnivors and have been ever since.
Open to that fact?
@@theoneatyourdoor87 Cutest part of the video. So much respect goes to him for saying that. IMO, people should generally feel free to throw jokes here and there even in serious arguments just to lighten the mood of the conversation.
@@JK-cz1km Omnivores*. Appeal to tradition.
That first guy's smirk gives it all away. He's a spoiled guy who was never really proven wrong by anyone, and that helped him develop Dunning-Kruger-like confidence in topics he thought through so little, he has to invent the basis for his position on the spot.
LMFAO. Yup. Hit the nail on the head.
Thanks! I searched about what you said and opened up and got exposed to a whole lot of stuff on psychology.
@M Liked your comment, but I really don't think it's only Americans who are overly influenced by their culture.
Same arguments by educated and uneducated people alike make me roll my eyes. Just some nonsense are more eloquently presented than others.
Billy Zheng Educated doesn’t necessarily mean intelligent
@@AB-ft7ng It should but education in the U.S is subpar to say the least
hey we prolly wouldve made the same arguments before lmao, help em understand rather than get mad at stupid arguments
That can be said on both sides
To many people think they sound smart, using fancy words, abstract theories, this and that. But can not answer a simple question. Just say you do not care about animals. At least do not lie
It's not that. They just never thought about it. Just like how they don't want to think about how pathetic their life is.
nvmffs Everyone's life is generally more pathetic than awesome, so..
@@rokanza2293 I guess I can agree but there are exceptions. Once you take contol over your body, you're already a little more awesome than pathetic.
@@nvmffs I take full control over my body, and i decide what to feed it. I choose animals because plants gives me oxygen. Animals gives me......food
@@therandomcabbage2684 and do you believe that by that you are doing good to the world in terms of carbon footprint?
I’m a college student, and probably the first thing I learned being in college is to finally question what I’ve been raised to believe and question things I’ve been told my whole life and to actually think and calculate things for myself. So it’s just shocking to see a student at on of the top universities in America say “we’ll I’m just doing what society tells me is ok to do”
My experience during bachelor degree: here is the objective truth.
1st day on master degree: everything you've learned is not the truth and we are going to doubt everything to understand every angle imaginable.
@@Situayo With all the doubting done and dusted, did you come to any final objective truths?
ivy league is just another society's imagination. it's overrated.
I thought that as well. It seemed pretty sad that he isn’t using his time at university to break out a little from his upbringing. I think that thinking outside the box is exactly what university should be all about. Looks like he is going to leave university unchanged from the child who started. Such a shame.
About insects: What about butterflies? Would you kill a butterfly? A ladybug? A dragonfly? A beetle? A spider? An ant?
At the end of the day, when I take the extra time to catch the moth in a cup and let her outside, I feel better spiritually. I’m not Buddhist or any other religion really, all I know is that when I take the extra time to be kinder to other creatures i feel better about myself. It’s like that thing that when you do something nice for someone you brighten their day, but also your own 🤗
loved your comment ... full of love and wisdom ...
Exactly. People argue moral philosophy, without even having a moral framework for themselves. Its easy to use philosophy to break down everything, which leads to nihilism, but these people are not living a nihilist life. They use their limited knowledge of philosophy to attack a view, while they dont have any replacement for it. The basic idea of having compassion / to avoid causing suffering, is not good enough for them.. .yet they dont have any other framework in place. They really, trully are, only controled by the society. And that is scary. THe guy was honest.
Why do people say they're poor and have to live on fast food? Whole foods are cheaper than takeaways and fast food
Because of propaganda. You never see Produce company ads on TV etc.....You do see Billions of dollars spent on Ads from Fast Food Corporations though.
I think calorie density is also a factor when people make that argument
Are you factoring in the high supplementation cost of the vegan diet and the inevitable healthcare costs?
@@SaturatedCat Lmao what the hell are you talking about?
@@SaturatedCat No. The only thing that needs to be supplemented is B12, the rest is a personal choice. As for the healthcare costs, there is a right way and a wrong way of eating a vegan diet. The wrong way includes fringe diets, like only eating fruit, which, though they are technically 'vegan', are so far from typical vegan diets, as to make the association absurd. These diets could make someone ill, but eating vegan food correctly, meaning eating a variety of plant foods including beans, nut, seeds, fruit, vegetables etc and educating yourself on the nutritional needs of the human body and the nutritional content of food is more likely to improve your health than be detrimental. For example, the average vegan has a healthy BMI, which is more than you can say for the average US resident. Also, healthcare costs are not inevitable in every country. Americans get the dubious honour of living in a country that is one of the richest in the world and spends the most on healthcare, while actually being less healthy and having food deserts AND having that same healthcare system potentially putting them in debt. When policies that would make the system more like those in the countries that spend less and have healthier citizens are introduced, they are branded as 'socialist' and therefore 'evil'.
The smarter someone is the longer it takes for them to say *bacon tho, culture tho, protein tho* but essentially, that is what they are saying.
What about DHA, EPA, VIT B, VIT A, AND DOZENS OF MORE NUTRIENTS IN THEIR MOST BIOAVAILABLE ANIMAL FORMS
Alex
Seaweed/chia seeds, oats, spinach.
Voila.
@@zain4019 go figure out the absorption rate of nutrients from plants vs animal food. Doesn't matter if something is high in vitamins if you can't actually absorb much of it.
@@alexbuzzkentaroguy nutrient dense food doesnt equal healthy
A big mac is nutrient dense- that doesnt make it healthy
And all of the nutrients you listed are easy to get from a plant based diet....id rather have to eat a few more carrots or sweet potatoes than up my risk if heart disease,diabetes,cancer,etc.....nonsensical
@@duraymond8896 how on earth is a big Mac nutrient dense? It is
Calorically dense ya. Most nutrients from plant sources aren't as bioavailable as they are in animal form.
“Moral because of society”
Ed’s thinking this one will be easy to debunk.
abortion is accepted socially tbh u probably defend abortion most vegans justify murder when it comes to black and brown babies
@@raymondflores5176 Youre not smart
@@xoranginho You're* dummy
@@raymondflores5176 Which vegans are you speaking with that "justify murder for brown and black babies"??!! Veganism is about compassion. Equality. Everyone's right to live, no matter the color or the species. Abortion is situational. Not all vegans are pro-choice, but those that are aren't "pro-killing babies".
To assume that all vegans are racist baby killers is prejudice in itself.
If you'd like to argue or debate veganism, then at least provide some factual information instead of spreading lies and insults.
@@raymondflores5176 And how are you going to sit there and correct someone else's vocabulary when your initial comment has horrible grammar??
That kid who doesn't in any way look poor and not privileged literally said: *"The main justification for me"* ........and then he went off the ranch onto a ridiculous rant about privileged vegans and poor people whom can't afford to buy plant based foods whom he later admitted aren't at all like him. Like WTF.....cringest excuse making ever.
Absolute clown
That title alone got me shaking my head. I don't know where you get your patience from, Ed!
C H that's one of the most ridiculous videos I've ever seen, for one do you give out personal information online? I
Why are you even here if you don't like Ed? Get a life Troll
@Georgia Mercury thats called being intolerant its common in democrats and liberals
@Tom H it isn't and they don't always. You obviously haven't seen the farmer video. My sister does outreach and the point is to only talk to the people who approach you first - ie the open minded people unlike yourself.
Samantha Aimee
I think it’s about looking at things from their point of view from a non-judgmental perspective. People have a reason for what they say and do, and often it’s a lifetime of beliefs instilled in them.
The whole "I can't afford to go vegan" arguement is utter BS. Meat is the most expensive food. For the price of a steak I could buy tofu, beans, rice, vegetables and spices. Being vegan is only expensive if you live on mock meats and vegan junk food.
But even vegan junk food costs approximately the same as non-vegan junk food, so the argument is faulty either way
@@evakapuvari6128 but we ain't that poor to not afford pasta/sandwiches
The only problem is that tofu tastes like shit !
@@1ramises well, there are different types of tofu and different ways to prepare it. I rarely have eaten it since it’s kinda expensive where I live, but I still get the nutrients from other sources
even then it wouldn’t be expensive. a pound of cheese costs the same as a pint of ben and jerrys vegan ice cream. 2 cartons of milk cost the same as a vegan chocolate bar. you swap out non vegan foods for vegan substitutes. you save money when going vegan, money that you can now spend on vegan “meat” and junk food.
It takes a lot of humbleness to take trash and repair it. Thats what Earthling Ed do with arguments
The argument "I believe that the 'western society' is the best and so it define my morality" is so ethnocentrist (even low-key racist in my opinion)
There's actually absolutely nothing racist about that statement.
@@mindshotjon I'm not saying it's EXPLICITELY racist, but it's the idea of comparing cultures like this. Ed talks about female genitalia mutilation and the guys responds pretty much with "yeah but we don't do that in the west. If my society does/say something then it's ok for me" It's the belief that western society is by default the best and shall remain pure and non-oppressive. "Ethnocentrism" can be a better word to describe it
@@scumbagpeter That's a much better word and describes more clearly what was taking place. Sorry, I just don't like the overuse of "racism" in the wrong context these days. It seems to confuse a lot of people these days. Nothing personal. I dig the screen name, lol. I sometimes refer to myself as jackass jon, haha.
@@mindshotjon np, your point is very valid. I edited my comment to make it more explicit
What I found more perplexing is that he came in saying that veganism's flaw is that it comes from a place of 'privilege'. And then he claims that the rest of the world should be 'westernized'. I mean... isn't this a tiny bit contradictory?
I did my first vegan activism the other day! We marched through Birmingham, had a vigil outside a slaughterhouse and then occupied a meat market. Thanks for being one of my vegan inspirations Ed!
Это в каком городе? Рада тут увидеть россиян))
Well done 🤘🐄
@@elonakalagova5660 Бирмингем в Англии. Спасибо, мой друг! 😁
@@elonakalagova5660 Я не русский, но я говорит по русски язык
@@LosgehtsFCB как здорово)) so you speak Russian, I speak English, we are vegans..Life is wonderful ✨😁
@@elonakalagova5660 Worldwide vegan family 😀
Scary. Scary. Scary. This is a Brown Uni student??!!🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Just shows that being an Ivy league student means absolutely nothing lol
@@marieel3225 Agreed. Going to college neither instills morals or intelligence... he's living proof.
Exactly.
Most teens are ignorant about subjects they haven't explored. Actually that goes for most people, not just teens. Everyone is ignorant to something until they research it or enter debate. Perhaps (probably) this guy left this debate more informed that before.
DragonSky Lords Nor proper grammar...Either/Or Neither/Nor
Ed the STUDENT SLAYER. How can he call himself vegan lol
Well vegans don't consume or use animal products so technically slaying a living being is vegan. I think.
Benno Dierickx lol no
LMAOOO mood y'all
Eni they consented to being slain🌚
It's not in a vegan mindset. It's like squashing a musquito. Btw i'm vegan myself.
I dislike that people think that eating plant based is a privilege. You know what’s a privilege? Having some raise a cute baby animal, feeding it every day, giving it water every day until early adult hood or sometimes not even adult hood still. Then having them kill it while it struggles for its life, skin it, chop it up, and package it. That’s not a privilege okay. And don’t forget that at any time of day you can go to a restaurant and order meat based products.
They are referring more so to the availability, not so much the process. More so than availability, the pleasure combined with the affordability as well as the availability found in their day to day food. They aren't actually referring to the actual process of making the food. They view it as a privilege because it can be more difficult to be vegan if you're in certain areas or with a certain income. Which they're right to some extent, fast foods and schools not having healthy vegan options is a big issue. Of course if you can buy and cook your own food you can make it happen but it's more difficult than the vast availability and affordability non vegan foods currently are.
Harry Beaver - ignorant, please go look up vegan body builders. If you don’t then you don’t care for the truth.
@Harry Beaver if he doesn't consume dairy, then he doesn't ingest the main source of dietary estrogen.
@Harry Beaver Not sure I understand your question. Soy is a legume.
It contains phytoestrogens, which is not the same as estrogen and it doesn't act the same way in our bodies either. Estrogen, on the other hand, which is found in all animal products but especially in dairy products, is... well, estrogen!
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/
@Harry Beaver still ignoring the fact that animal products, and dairy above all, is the greatest source of dietary estrogen.
"I believe western culture should be implemented in the rest of the world, I buy into some ideas of American exceptionalism" yikes yikes
What’s your instagrams, you are hot
@@MrDanielfff777 wtf
It’s true. The west and the ideas it developed have dragged most of the world out of poverty. It’s magnificent.
5:30 we DO have genital mutilation here in the states. It is a disgrace! They call it 'circumcision'
I think that's what Ed said off mic
ed was talking about how it was mandated in the middle east, circumcision shouldn't be legal here unless someone voluntarily wants to get one
I would like to comment on the subject brought up by the second individual, insects. He stated insects cannot feel that we cannot prove that they can feel. If we cannot prove that they do not feel, then it would be fair to say that we cannot prove that they do feel. That being said I would like to share a personal story that I experienced with insects, this was before I went vegan.
I once bought two scorpions from a pet store, they were Emperor species. One was a male and the other was female. I wasn't aware of their sexes because I didn't know how to tell the difference at the time. I had an enclosure that had real soil, rocks, plants, and a small water fountain. I had two caves I made from rocks. The female stayed in one cave and the male stayed in the other, during the day. At night they both would crawl around outside of the caves looking for food and probably a way to escape. One day I saw the female had several tiny scorpions on her back she gave birth to twenty-two scorplings. I was very excited, when I tried to get a closer look the mother scorpion was very protective, like any mother would be. Eventually I had moved the younger scorpions to a separate enclosure out of fear of cannibalism by the adult scorpions.
One day the female was outside of her cave during the day, I noticed this was strange behavior for a scorpion, I thought maybe she had died. I checked she was still alive, she stayed out in the middle for a week or so, I checked on her daily, until finally one day she was dead. I removed her body from the enclosure. The next day the male scorpion was outside of his cave during the day. I thought wow now he's going to die. He stayed in the same location that the female scorpion was for the next two weeks. I checked on him daily same as I did with the female. Eventually he went back to his cave and he lived for about another year after that. And that's when I realized that he was mourning the female scorpion, to him she was his companion. And why not, they are animals? And to say that insects cannot feel is ignorant. I truly believe that all animals have the ability to feel, and express emotion. Thank you Ed for all that you do. I am proud to say I am vegan for the animals, I have been vegan for 6 1/2 years, and I will never ever go back to using animals. Thanks again, peace.
I wonder if the female scorpion died of a broken heart when you took all her children away... :(
@@youejtube7692 I don't think so because they were no longer dependant, they were hunting, and hiding on their own.
@@youejtube7692 female Emperor scorpions live about 5 to 8 years of age. She was already an adult when I bought her. Most breeders sell scorpions to pet stores after they have had 3 or 4 broods (pregnancies)
Wow! Thank you for that post, I think insects have feelings too!
Beautiful story, thank you!I'm 21 years vegan (since age 20)All animals are embodied souls and have desires, emotions and emotional attachments.
This young man is just taking the easy way out. He doesn't want to have to take responsibility for what's happening to animals.
Stfu vegan bitch
Anyone see the vegan parents the got jail for forcing a vegan diet on there child....we need WHAT IS IN ANIMALS...FACT
@@siftingtrutheshit2380 I'm sure it's not for being vegan. Probably for not providing vaccines. What is giving to animals , antibiotics and growth hormones is not good for any human.
How Do You Justify BEING a Good Person?!??!?!???
I'd say because laws dictate that I can't just go around slapping idiots in the face without having consequences against me....so I have to behave.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet Yeah, but that is unfortunate. I suggest a person should have a moral framework, outside of the legal system. That is the only way forward really. But I actually agree with you, the vast majority of the population is immoral - meaning, they dont have morals. They only follow the morals that are imposed on them.
Wow this guy doesn’t care and is perfectly ok with the fact that his flesh burger takes a significant amount more water than the plant based option. And I thought my faith in humanity was already destroyed.
You do know water isn't destroyed when it's used in agriculture. It's a water cycle, look it up, evaporation and condensation et cetera. Hope that helps.
Rory Lee you do realise not all water, rainfall etc works like that. Hope that helps.
@@CV_411 I definitely don't realise that. What do you mean? What water is excluded from the cycle? I know the amount of moisture in the atmosphere fluctuates, but it's generally increasing with global warming as I understand it.
Rory Lee do you know how to use google? I’m not your research assistant.
@@CV_411 :/ of course. But if you had an answer you could have said it, instead of just a cheeky quip.
I've definitely Googled it. Did you know there's water under the Sahara desert that's been there for 75000 years. Factoid!
www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/water-cycle/
HTH 😉
Amazing conversations! I love how you're always so well spoken, calm, and logical. I want to know what that first guy thought about your lecture!! Love you!
@Harry Beaver Harry, dude, you're leaving so many ignorant comments. Calling Ed a liar because you have anti-vegan bias. Why not listen to more of his speeches and conversations? And research the nutrition 👌☮️
Credit to the second guy for humbly admitting a good counter-argument when he heard it.
I love how the first guy seemed interested in your lecture!!! That’s awesome!!!
"I go by society" "I believe in westernization" (read: colonisation)
Earthling Ed, Earthling Ed, gave me falafel in some bread, Earthling Ed Earthling Ed, puts on banging vegan spreads. Earthling Ed, Earthling Ed, we all listen to what you just said, Earthling Ed, Earthling Ed, grows large vegetables in his garden shed. Earthling Ed, Earthling Ed, I've eaten 20 banana's, l'm well fed! Earthling Ed, Earthling Ed, l'm running outta rhymes, it's time for bed! Earthling Ed, Earthling Ed, thanks for your efforts mate...nough said! Peace X
Masima Great lyrics! Thx! 🥰
We justify it by compassion towards sentient beings who can experience pleasure and pain and have a will to live just as we do.
Thank you Ed!
@Stanley Ipkiss
LMFAOOOO "Sentient plants" 😂😂😂
@Stanley Ipkiss We have no solid scientific evidence that plants are sentient. Reacting to stimuli isn't the same as sentience. Your skin can react to stimuli by tanning. We have no scientific evidence that plants can feel pain. Animals feel pain so that we can run away from danger. Plants are planted in the ground. They can't run away from danger. Meanwhile, we have significant scientific evidence that pigs are intelligent as human toddlers
Stanley Ipkiss You need the ability to be conscious to have sentience. A brain, for instance.
And no, I’m not insulting you or using that as a pun to insult you. I’m simply referring to other potentially conscious things, like true ai, which I don’t actually know if that exists.
Stanley Ipkiss 😂😂😂
@Stanley Ipkiss
Wow you are beyond ignorant.
Plants are not sentient and the facts prove it.
You have no credible, peer reviewed facts to prove they are.
They have no CNS or pain receptors. Simple biology. Educate yourself bud.
The Vegan Jesus 🙏🏼🌱💚
@C H Oh no, slander from a pathological liar steroid abuser that's duping imbeciles for money. Oh what will we do?
@C H Bahahaha!
His name is edward gaunt.
@@MrC77 and?
@@MrC77 more like Edward Galt
The Big 3!
Love Animals
Love your health and your families
Love the planet and our families future on it.
Beautiful!!!
love is a made up word by christians
Can love animals and still eat them
sam rezvani how? How can you contribute to unnecessary rape, torture and death of some animals but still love them?
Your definition of love must mean what Dahmer definition of his victims were.
usfdave10 it is not rape nor torture one if you are to say it never consented than all animals are rapists, and who says they feel pain, yes they react to it so could a robot but who says they experience it. and yes i can love them, we feed them take care of them make sure they are not ill or upset, that is the farmers duty to the animal and in return they are for us to enjoy.
As Marilyn Manson once said: "A lot of people don't want to make their own decisions. They're too scared. It's much easier to be told what to do."
If that’s an Ivy League student, the first guy, then there is little to no hope for society. He is perfectly comfortable with the horrors that sentient animals are put through, unnecessarily. His lack of morals and empathy give me the goosebumps. Terrifying!
The last guy was so respectful and open minded. I think that shows a high level of intelligence- entering a discussion with the possibility of your opinions and beliefs to be changed.
"I believe it is okay because of the society that gives it to me. I go by society..." The young fellow claims to be educated but somehow failed to realize that society is not a great guide for moral values for people to follow. Following that same logic, he would be a slave owner in 1800's but be okay with it even though he knows it's wrong because everyone else has slaves and society tho... This is an astonishing display of being a drone.
Ed's patience is so admirable. It's also so necessary for spreading information on this issue. Thank you Ed for your activism ♡
everyone has financial autonomy...even though we have different levels...it doesn't matter...the cheapest foods that we can buy such as beans, corn, rice, oats, pasta, etc. are vegan...so if we have access to a grocery store, then we can plan and budget accordingly to afford anything that we want that is vegan
@Harry Beaver if not eating animals and eating a whole-food, plant-based diet is going to ruin my health...then let me ruin away 😂
@Harry Beaver who dis? oops, already forgotten
@Harry Beaver Yeah, much better to eat burgers and fries, bacon and eggs, chicken nuggets and thickshakes every day. Then we'll all be super healthy in 10 years time - either that or dead.
Pastured cattle restores ecosystems. Your monocultures of soy and wheat are destroying the environment and killing trillions of fauna.
I would really advise you to stay away from any seed products (beans, grains, seed oils), instead stick to vegetables, fruit and make sure you get enough fat in (avocado oil, perhaps).
Don't forget your supplements (B-complex, get a DHA omega 3 supplement).
I'm carnivore myself but I understand there are different levels of harmfulness to plants.
I doubt they will consider going vegan themselves... They think about the topic as an exterior thing, never as a personal moral decision...
I CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF THIS CONTENT ED. MORE. MORE..PLEASE
Your a fucken inspiration mate. Your articulation skills, knowledge, and patience are all qualities i aspire to develop in myself. Keep up the good work
I have been homeless and maintained veganism. I have been in prison and maintained veganism. I have been around the world and maintained veganism.
Here's My List:
#1 An appeal to how NATURE operates i.e. the circle-of-life-food-chain argument, "We're at the top of the food chain" is the main argument cited by industry supporters.
#2 An appeal to humans as OMNIVORES, "Do you see these canine teeth right here" and "Our ancestors hunted animals for meat" argument
[Note: A true omnivore can eat flesh without cooking it. Our ancestors ate flesh raw 2.5M - 0.5M years ago, before fire cooking was used. Does this mean we are omnivores? Maybe a soft omnivore]
#3 An appeal to health and NUTRITION, "My doctor told me I need more protein and that meat is a good choice" and "If not from meat then from where are we supposed to get our protein" (whiney ass panzies!) and "Vegans are malnourished" and "We need to eat meat in order to survive" and "Vegans and vegetarians are depressed mentally because they're not getting proper nutrition" argument
#4 An appeal to food preference, TASTE and variety, "Let people eat whatever the hell they want to eat" and "Our taste buds are more valuable than the animal's life that we're eating" and "People want menu variety" argument
#5 An appeal to high level of animal WELFARE / quality of life and humane slaughter methods, Halal and Kosher etc, "We are very respectful to our livestock before we kill them quickly and painlessly" and "Carnivores in the wild show absolutely no compassion whatsoever when they kill their prey, but we do", "We have cage free, organic and free range facilities" and "We give our animals a good life" and "You city folks don't understand how farms operate" argument
#6 An appeal to life-for-food EQUIVALENCE, "The plants you're eating are living things too that suffered and died for you just like slaughtered animals" argument
[Note: The fire dept only rescues people first and animals second in house fires. Plants are left to burn. Why is that?]
#7 An appeal to HABITAT, "If everyone turns vegan then where will we put all these animals" argument
#8 An appeal to EXTINCTION, "Farm animals would go extinct without us in the farming industry" argument
#9 An appeal to RELIGION, "Animals were put here for our use", "Animals are a some thing not a someone" and "People have souls but animals do not" and "It says right here in this here holy book from god that we 're supposed to have dominion over the birds in the air, the fish in the seas and over every thing which creepeth on the lands" argument
#10 An appeal to CULTURE, tradition and history, "We have slaughtered animals for thousands of years since caveman days" and "My parents raised me on meat since I was a child and I just can't live without it" and "We bred livestock animals into existence for our use and that's what they're for" and "I love the feel of real leather in my new car and there's just no substitute" argument
#11 An appeal to RELATIONSHIP, "I have a relationship with my pets but I don't care about the animals that we eat" and "Certain animals are labeled as livestock and that's what they are" argument
#12 An appeal to animal INTELLIGENCE, "These animals aren't even aware of what we are doing to them" and "The animals have very little intelligence, feelings or awareness" argument
[Note: Humans drink the milk and eat the embryonic abortions (eggs) from other species. How smart is that?]
#13 An appeal to small SCALE private fishing, hunting and animal farming or dairy, "I hunt and /or farm my own meat, fish and other animal products so I'm not supporting the industry's mass animal cruelty" and "All we need to do is reduce our consumption of animal products" argument
#14 An appeal to VEGETARIANISM, "As long as we use animal products without killing the animals then there isn't much cruelty involved" and "I only use a tiny amount of dairy creamer in my morning coffee" and "I can give up everything else except cheese" argument
#15 An appeal to EXAGGERATION, "Animal rights activists are blowing the issue of animal exploitation out of proportion since things just aren't that bad" argument
[Note: You're crazy if you think animal exploitation is a non-issue. Of course there are other important issues. They're all important for us to address.]
#16 An appeal to apathy and ABSURDITY, "The animals we're eating have already been killed so what's the big deal if I eat the meat that's already been prepared" and "The animals have no purpose of their own so we might as well use them in whatever way possible" and "we're generously giving animals a shot at life by breeding them into existence which they wouldn't have had otherwise" and "The animals we are eating sacrificed their lives for us" and "Animals don't care if they die" and "As a consumer of animal products I have nothing to do with animal cruelty" and "The animals aren't unhappy with the life we allow them to have" and "What suffering? There isn't any suffering imposed upon the animals. It's just your biased perspective that animals suffer" and "Farming fruits and vegetables kills lots of animals too" argument
#17 An appeal to scientific STUDY, "We need to tag these animals to track their migratory patterns and whereabouts" and "We need to perform extensive lab experiments on animals to improve the quality of human life"
#18 An appeal to a need for SERVICE animals and pets, "The purpose of the animals is to serve human needs for work and or companionship" argument
#19 An appeal to GEOGRAPHY, "I live in a cold climate so it would be nearly impossible for me and my family to live just on vegetables up here" argument
#20 An appeal to subjective OPINION, "It's just your opinion that animal exploitation is bad when it's actually a good thing" argument
#21 An appeal to BREEDING, "Since man bred these animals into existence we own them and can do whatever we want to with them" and "We're doing them a favor otherwise they wouldn't have had the privilege to be alive at all" argument
#22 An appeal to livestock PROTECTION against predators, "Here on the ranch we have to exterminate these dang predators who are preying on our livestock, but don't worry we leave nothing to waste after we kill those varmints" argument
#23 An appeal to HUNTING rights, "I like the way I can bring down large game by stalking my prey with my hunting buddies" and "Hunting is an American way of life" and "I want to beat the animals at their own game of predation, stealth and dominance" argument
#24 An appeal to CONSERVATION and population control efforts, "We have to cull or thin the herd in order to keep the animals healthy" and "We have to manage animal populations otherwise they will spiral out of control" argument
#25 An appeal to PURPOSE, "The purpose of animals is to live a brief life and then die" and "Animals have no purpose of their own" and "Animals are programmed to die from birth" argument
#26 An appeal to price and PRACTICALITY, "It's too expensive and effort-intensive to eat only plants, fruits and vegetables" argument
#27 An appeal to better STANDARDS, "We can make the process of animal agriculture better for humans and animals" argument
#28 An appeal to GENEROSITY, "Farmers are providing people with what they want and you should be thankful for all their hard work in providing this service" argument
#29 An appeal to SATISFACTION, "I just can't get that full feeling in my stomach if I only eat fruits and vegetables" argument
#30 An appeal to FUTILITY, "Even if I personally stop using animal products nothing is going to change because the practice is so widespread" argument
#31 An appeal to REDUCTION, "The secret to good health is to eat less animal products but not stop it altogether" argument
He believes in "American Exceptionalism"... I'm out. 👋🙄
well u want saudis to police the world and u rather pay 1000 bucks for an out fit instead of 60?????
@@raymondflores5176 That's a ridiculous assertion. Why are the 2 options the United States of Murica & Saudi Arabia?
Yeah. Living in Europe the USA seems anything but exceptional...
"We dont have genital mutilation here in the usa"....... em... ok buddy. oh wait we do, for guys "oh yeah but that is a whole different story" oh is it really?
12:30: buddy knows he is unable to respond with a valid argument. "Freeze, fight, flight? Let's leave"😂
That's what I thought too......runaway
this is the most inconsistent set of standards i've ever heard from an anti-vegan.....
Ed I really appreciate these talks, they mean so much to me and to the world, I am so grateful, I am so more then proud to be your patron and support you. Outmost gratitude, thank you, deeply.
I could watch Ed and the 2nd guy debating for hours, they both had great questions and arguments
this is so important ✨🙏 thank you ed
8.27 At this point he is really struggling. Ed you’re amazing. Xx
So happy with how these conversations went! I’m so happy people seem at least open minded about it!
Ed I love you man! You're an inspiration. Always so respectful, hearing people out, and also ready with a composed intelligent response.
Typical heavily conditioned and brainwashed guy. Thank you for your patience, Ed.
love this format, ed!
That was such a great video! Both sides really calm and polite. 👍Great
Nice one Ed. You do a stellar job navigating the conversation and keeping your own emotional attachment to the issue at bay. Talking more about how to properly approach these conversations and making some videos or books about that could be really useful. Well done sir!
You’re awesome, Ed🌱💕
Ed you always amaze me at how you manage to listen and retain all of the points made, never showing any sign that the points may be ridiculous even when they are. Then you also manage to respond so kindly and often with a compliment. You’re incredible!
Very sharp conversation! Loved to see both of you.
Well done ED you are awesome 🌱🌱💚
"That is a very valid point" - then thoroughly debunks the point...I need to start doing that! Make people heard first so they'll listen more to your response.
I love how patient you are, and let them talk, even though we all know what they are going to say before they even know they are going to say it lol , listening to the same exscuses over again can be snore inducing, but you handle it so well.
I'm getting your e-book. Ed, you're awesome. Thank you for your great work-
I am stuck at the part where the student says he justifies eating animals because he's okay with Society norms and that it's normal in society and he accepts that. Really? So you don't have your own thoughts? so you don't Forge your own path, no critical thinking question mark because somebody else is doing something it's okay for you to do it? What kind of rationality is that? He thinks you sound smart but he isn't.
Notice he's so smug about having "society" determine his morality for him, yet then also whines about the supposed group-think of his liberal Ivy League campus? Guess he only applies his moral standards when it's convenient for his pre-determined feelings. The little programmed robot is so confused.
Wish this video was longer! 🌱🌎💙✨
I wish it didn't exist nor the channel. Edward Gaunt is a liar and a conman in it for the money.
@@MauriceTarantulas
And you can prove that outrageous claim how?
@@zenmint Go watch a channel called bobby's perspective
@@MauriceTarantulas
So no? Because nothing youtuber said was based on facts. Unlike veganism.
You and this youtube are both trying to use some baseless ad hominem attack on him, not negating any of the facts about veganism he shares.
www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism
Holy crap positive flowing discussion! I had to comment for greater good!
Great one! I am glad the rewilding thing was brought up
hate when people use the conscious argument.. pigs are smarter than your doggy boi
Come on. It's obvious that pigs are smarter than HIM.
thats the first animal i stopped eating- my heart had wanted to for a while but my taste buds didn't- but then I was volunteering at a dog shelter and it was just too- ironic to eat pigs anymore so i just stopped.
Sorry but that student is talking so much stupid stuff, it makes me sick 😡 American elite isn’t ... FFS!
deep respect!!! you keep changing hearts all over the world. youre saving animals
Thank you so much Ed for doing this. It's a privilege to listen to you discuss these ideas in a calm and respectful manner.
We need more people capable of discussion like you.
“Is that a moral flaw on my part? Maybe”. No, dude. It is DEFINITELY a moral flaw. No maybes about it
First 3 minutes in and Ed has already eviscerated that guys argument.
Ed...once again you are a hero! I can't belive how calm and understanding and respectful you can stay having the same frustrating conversation over and over again. I wish I was only half as eloquent as you. Can I please take you with me whenever I need to talk to ignorant people :) ?
great series! my one respectful recommendation would be the first rule in broadcasting, never give up your microphone :] big love ed ! 🖤
Indeed worrying when the "brightest minds" of the US do what society tells them without questioning it!
*Create a Better World by......Going and Staying healthy and VEGAN*
IF you die yes
Crazy that you basically have a line forming to debate! 😅 Always great work Ed!
I really liked the last guy and hearing what he said! He seemed super open and respectful!
The word justifying is just another word for EXCUSES. Stop making excuses for not being ethical as the best as you can.
@Stanley Ipkiss
its not about what people eat. Its about WHO.
Theres no need to exploit and kill sentient beings for products we dont need, cause our leading diseases, and is the leading cause for climate change.
Your choices arent personal when they create a unnecessary victim.
nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/14/animal-protein-and-igf-1/
www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
gelr.org/2015/10/23/a-leading-cause-of-everything-one-industry-that-is-destroying-our-planet-and-our-ability-to-thrive-on-it-georgetown-environmental-law-review/
@@zenmint shhhh dont mention the WHO
@Stanley Ipkiss this is a vegan channel. Why you so interested??
@Southy
Is not what the western world is eating and using animal products for.
Oh Ok Bro, I guess when it's a little baby boy, somehow it's different??? If a genital is mutilated it's mutilated, doesn't matter if it's a boy or a girl, I hope you can see that, and call it what it is!
It was just an example, he didn't say mutilation of boys is okay...
@@MilanSmore Oh ok Thanks 🙏
This was a great debate! It's so interesting to see how people's brains and thought processes work when answering questions.
Great to see such civillized conversations - this man is doing such great work
Ed do you avoid the past tense arguments and hypotheticals? For example when he brought up society as a justification I would have said we use to enslave people ect.
eating vegan is so cheap fr. the most expensive thing i buy is nuts, but they are so calorie and nutrient dense that i dont even see them as expensive. wtf do these people think we eat? seriously?
no the most expensive thing i buy is chips. and nobody is out here arguing that it's unethical to eat chips because they're expensive. lol.
Never seen Ed so blown away as when that last guy stood up 💛
Great talk! ❤️❤️❤️
I like that Ed actually gives people the mic. He doesn’t pivot.