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Earthling Ed I wanna add this too....this guy legit scares me. And if he’s worried about not wanting people to be the ones who suffer, he needs to stop talking because the majority of us are suffering listening to his level of IQ and unconsciousness.
@@justinkiddrummer LEt me say facts in your face you don't like meat that means you don't like most people so you like animals more than people, so you have 10 cats,cats rhyme with dogs,dogs are man best friend so saying you don't like meat means you don't like humans saying you don't like animal because most people eat meat to save animal because, if we all eat grass the cow will die because we won't have a lot of grass and that means we will die, and the wolfs will have nothing to eat so they will die and all the ice will melt because nobody are planting trees to stop the heat so polar bears will die and penguins will die to so from the ice melting means the water level will be higher so all the other animals will die. the more you know the better.
You aren 't listening to any of his nuanced explanations and his religious justifications and continue to go over the same argument. Having a 30min convo with a religious person was useless because you don't go anywhere.
One day you will realise that the vast majority of humanity couldn't care less about animals, veganism is growing but meat consumption increases globally. Do you really think you will stop the 1.5B Chinese eating pork? Especially when they can now afford it, or quell the demand for meat in Africa as their economies grow. I hear the point about the horrors of animal agriculture and understand your position, but your fight is futile other than to self gratify your perceived higher morality in your tiny community. No difference to religious fools.
@@realitycheck5450 meat and dairy sales in america are at a record low. Most people who eat meat could not stand seeing what happens at slaughter houses nor can they take a knife to kill the animal themselves.
@@animallover9378 whose talking about American?, and I think you'll find in the growing meat demand places such as China and Africa they are more than happy to slaughter their own meat. That's why veganism works to a degree in the rich comfortable west, where people are soft. My point remains a global point that more animals will die regardless of your position.
How can you come out of that conversation and think that guy was defending slavery? That is just mental gymnastics in order to paint him in a worst light.
@@gregj4754 He defended 'might makes right', as well as claiming that if there's a societal consensus that some group is lesser, it's justified to cause harm to them. So, yes, just adjacent to defending slavery.
@@joshuabowman317 Just adjacent to defining slavery is mental gymnastics. He never once said anything about Humans against Humans and each time made sure to point out that he was referring to Humans against animals. Inserting slavery into it is wrong , a huge problem, and is why we are divided. You can't listen to someone who has a different viewpoint and hear it clearly without making assumptions. Also I don't agree with his religious justifications.
I think he might have thought of a specific form of slavery ( Timestamp: 18:20). I have seen misinformation about what I think he referred to, and it framing it as something good. I am not saying he defended it, but if he did, these might be relevant. Definitely interesting videos anyways: ruclips.net/video/mqU_ApL5siw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/6iAQ6dA5gJI/видео.html&ab_channel=RationalityRules
@@hsdjsdshdhsdnsmsd6247 ...and? Tu quoque. This religious person claims humans have souls. I would not claim they do or do not. I'm an atheist and I don't believe we do but I have no knowledge on whether we actually have souls or not. Either way, neither Ed or 'Ethical Revolution' made a claim. So the only one that has a burden of proof is the Catholic in the video. This persons' justification is essentially 'thousands of years ago they didn't write it explicitly in a book' - which is a poor evidence to substantiate the truth of the claim.
The Psalm says let everything that breathes praise the Lord. How can a soulless creature praise his God? And why would the Allsoul create a soulless being?
@@wideawake5630 You're predicating this on 1. This 'Allsoul' exists and 2. The Truth of scripture. This needs to be substantiated first. That's how logic works. Suggesting these things necessarily follow, as you just did, without doing so, is fallacious reasoning. I get that you believe it's true. Which is totally fine. Still, doesn't change the fact you're putting the cart before the horse.
Not my job to convert you. I was speaking to those who believe animals are soulless based on a misguided interpretation of their scriptures. Not speaking to you.
That's religious folk for ya. Ive met religious folk who dont even know what the holiday they are celebrating is about but claim they are staunch believers. lol
@Southy But if you're living in a developed country, you're not really in a survival situation, unless you're living in severe poverty. You have choices.
@Southy Our society may rely on animal products, but that's why we can switch to alternative products that don't involve animal exploitation, no? It's certainly seems possible for us to reduce usage of animal products and maybe eventually rid ourselves of them completely. Also, just like someone can change diet, businesses can and will adapt, especially if governments provide financial assistance/incentives.
@Alpha Hybrid U DON'T JUDGE PEOPLE LIKE THAT. I'M NOT A CRISTIAN, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT TO JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR RACE. FUCK OFF U USELESS PIECE OF SHIT. UR BASICALLY RACIST, BUT RELIGION VERSION. At least there are cristian that have more empathy then ur fucked up mind. I have seen vegan cristians b4. If ur vegan, it makes no difference as u don't even care about humans. If u want to care for animals, care for humans too. Ur basically Hitler if ur always like that
Religious people who are like this man are psychopathic. He doesn't care about the effect on the victim, only that it's an impure or sinful desire on the part of the perpetrator. His whole "sex is a sin without the intent of having children" justifies men raping women for the purpose of impregnating them. I'm sure he (like many religious people of his ilk have openly said) thinks the wrong of rape is that the man is being "sinful" towards God in his sexual desires (thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not covet) rather than the pain and violation of rights inflicted on the woman. If he comes back with "women have souls, animals don't": At one point people argued that indigenous Americans and Africans didn't have souls (which meant at the time and probably still to him means the possibility of understanding the Bible and converting to Christianity) and thus they could be enslaved and didn't deserve moral consideration. Where in the Bible does it say that indigenous and Black people have souls? Why would all these respected theologians (look up the Valladolid debate) believe that indigenous and Black people don't have souls and are closer to animals? Where does his religion say that all humans have souls? It doesn't. The Bible explicitly justifies and mandates slavery and genocide. And where does his religion say that non-human animals don't have souls? There are some passages where it says animals are the same as us in all important ways too, it's a contradictory text. If there was unlimited time, I would also press him harder on his belief that the existence of God and souls and other religious ideas have any basis in science or objective reasoning. It is hard to argue with a religiopath though (coining a word that should exist if it doesn't already), since he really has no moral reasoning skills of his own, only references to what he's been told by the Pope and his bishops.
god's a vegan save tree of life doesnt have hunters in it doesn't have dead animals hanging from it hunters make tree of death People have animal sacrifice to them that's the devil's trick made people think god ask for animal sacrifice then human sacrifice blood sacrifice God's vegan garden uv edn
@@frankperrella1202 Frank The fall See I said to them don't eat from the tree of death that tastes so good and evil don't do that just because he told you that it was taste good and that you wouldn't die don't do it because you will die Diet they looked at an animal said go ahead Die it kill it And so that day they did surely die So people have been living a life after the fall You might choose to live as one of the fallen but you don't have to You can use the excuse that man has a sinful nature But you don't have to I don't force my law onto you I like to choose And I don't send you to hell for making the wrong choice Hell is what happens because of that choice People started treating animals so they were product Something to stock on the store shelves Livestock But they're not actually alive anymore It's death Deadstock People often talk about the living Word of God and they talk about the living Word of God written on the pages of a dead tree they talk about the tree of Life while they eat and kill animals Well they've adopted a governmental legal political system that uses the dead language These are all things of the tree of death You can use the excuse that man has a sinful nature but you don't have to and the world that you recreate when you choose the path away from me Well that's how you make hell Frank I created Earth so that you could experience heaven It's about living Frank Heaven is about living I didn't have to create the variety of flowers I didn't have to create the variety of animals I didn't have to create the variety of fruit I didn't have to create variety of landscape scenery I did it so that you could experience heaven All you had to do was work together don't make each other pay for the gift of living Paying for the gift of living well then it's not a gift anymore right it's kind of the death of a gift because the gift is free That's what makes it a gift Frank That's what makes love a gift So people put the idea of me on the pages of a dead tree and then they say they believe in the god of the Bible and it says though they've made the Bible (god) They say that god is limited to the things they've read in the Bible. of course they don't say limited but that's the implication So now when I talk to somebody or message somebody using email or RUclips comment or anything I've yet to meet anybody that had any actual faith No faith God exists Or no faith that God is able to speak to somebody using a RUclips comment In your mind you've made it impossible for me to do things that should be possible in your mind Because it is possible and truth that I could choose to be born again And Frank it is possible that I choose to speak to you The question is in your thoughts is god limited to what he can do Is it possible that I can speak to you using RUclips comments and if not if you choose that god is limited who or what decides what those limits are you or the pages of a dead tree or god Those that often I hear them saying things like they believe in the god of the Bible made it basically impossible for me to talk to them as me because they believe in the God as the Bible My experience Maybe I have a better chance of speaking as God as though I'm speaking for god I could say to people God gave me a revelation or I had a dream and God gave me this vision Got to put it on my heart or something like that but because people have so much faith in the Bible Words written on the pages of a dead tree They often won't let me actually live Because if I choose to speak to them I say yeah God wouldn't do it that way as though they get to decide how God chooses to speak So you Frank What do you think How do I win the hearts of the people if I'm not what they expect because what they have been taught on the pages of a dead tree saying it's my living Word
@@1god126 Where in the 10 Commandments Does it say that you can't eat meat?? I'll debate you I'm a Catholic & I know my Scripture & the Church Father's." 🙏🛐🍖🍖
Guys, been Intelligent is different than being a real intellect. There’s also compartmental intelligence and pseudo-intellectualism. Obviously critical thinking and logical intelligence are foreign concepts to this indoctrinated guy but he probably has a willpower to study and a good memory to remember what he studied to pass his exams. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. It doesn’t take high IQ to understand and admit that the morals behind veganism are very compelling. It takes intellectual honesty, empathy muscles and the right moral compass ( religion is not). The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Kids and illiterate people sometimes get it easier because they don’t have this illusion.
What do you mean by 'high' IQ? This individual's IQ is almost certainly on the right side of the bell curve, although if I had to guess, it wouldn't be astoundingly far in that direction. Having a high IQ doesn't make you a critical thinker. Our cognition didn't evolve for philosophy. It evolved for winning arguments or deceiving others to gain domination or get out of a bad situation, or to acquire good behavioural survival strategies. High IQ individuals have these cognitive biased just like everyone else, which we inherited from our evolutionary past, it's just that having a high IQ also makes it easier to learn the techniques to transcend those biases and think in a novel, artificial way.
@@Qty7777 they still are buddy....welcome to real life. "Neutral" Switzerland established in 1291, home of the Knights Templar Egyptian pharaonic bloodline and their stolen cache of Jerusalem gold, bankrolled artist and forceful charismatic German orator and propagandist Adolph Hitler, to undertake the biggest heist of financial, physical and human capital ever seen, 1939-1945. The Bank for International Settlements was established in the early 1920s with a stated purpose of facilitating German WW1 reparations. Nothing was further from the truth. The Swiss Pharaohs using the BIS started to raid European countries for their wealth. In the late 1930s an enormous storehouse of oil was found in Saudi Arabia. The House of Windsor (UK monarchy, formerly 'Mountbatten', formerly 'Battenberg' Germans) quickly embraced Saudi Arabia as its vassal and the Swiss pharaohs of "neutral" Switzerland set up a shipping fleet (purportedly "aid" ships) that transported Saudi Arabian oil to Germany. A war would soon begin. The finance and the energy source had been found to protract a war between Pharaohs, by and on behalf of Pharaohs, for a half decade. The Swiss Pharaohs of the European and British elite families would begin their extermination of the common people, their slaves. Thus began World War II.
@@g.h7657 👍 {The Roman Church now presents a fair front to the world, covering with apologies her record of horrible cruelties. She has clothed herself in Christlike garments; but she is unchanged. Every principle of the papacy that existed in past ages exists today. The doctrines devised in the darkest ages are still held. Let none deceive themselves. The papacy that Protestants are now so ready to honor is the same that ruled the world in the days of the Reformation, when men of God stood up, at the peril of their lives, to expose her iniquity. She possesses the same pride and arrogant assumption that lorded it over kings and princes, and claimed the prerogatives of God. Her spirit is no less cruel and despotic now than when she crushed out human liberty and slew the saints of the Most High. Great Controversy 571.1
Ed is the best debater I've ever seen on veganism. Calm, quick, well spoken, respectful, and logically consistent without being a pushover. I know you won't stop brother we need you!
I'm just so amazed at how polite he is. According to his videos that I've binged, he's never tried to disrupt their religious beliefs. He needs to teach us his skills.
@@NELSONandWIGGLESit is the way all interviewers behave, they often usually off camera. It’s to encourage debate, he is helping them through their thoughts, but shows the inconsistency of them afterwards in a respectful way. It’s a very good way to encourage people to think more deeply about the subject.
My mother has said that to me but then again she doesn't really give a shit about animals on any level so... some people just genuinely don't care about justifying their actions.
That's actually what every non-vegan thinks whether or ot they're conscious of it. Difference is, he actually admitted to it - so not such a bad start. Plus, he's actually choosing to sit down and think about this contrary to most non-vegans so I'd say good for him! Honesty's the first step towards becoming vegan.
I compared slavery to what we are doing to animals and I had a person freak out at me cause he assumed I thought animals deserve every right like humans including to vote...bruh
Slavery, sexism, killing gays etc... We’re all legal and allowed once. So the argument of “it’s my right” which implies it’s okay cuz it’s legal is irrelevant and shouldn’t be used.
@Jayde Prasad OMG what idiots! How can they just dismiss the comparison soley based on it being between eating meat and slavery without even thinking through your reasonable logic and seeing the similarity. Also the fact that they think comparing them means that slavery was okay and not the other way around, meat not being okay.
@@smakko omg 😂😂. Like obviously animals can’t vote or be equal to humans but they deserve the bare necessity to live and not be abused. Omg how is that hard for some periods to comprehend
@@ashley-sv4lo I think more compassionate, logical, open-minded people understand veganism quickly. Its the dense, narcistic, close-minded ones that will throw in arguments that contradict themselves and pretend they are not being hypocrites of their own moral values...
I really love how ed never makes people feel like theyre "wrong". He listens to people and finds a way to explain in the least threatening way. By trying to make it relatable for them so they can have an understanding based around their existing beliefs.
Ryan Morrissette but the debates are unfair. One person is well researched on the topic. This is just a random dude with info off the top of the head. Like taking a test u didn’t study for
who are you to even try to explain to GOD because MAN has done ALL the evil on this planet, not the Creator who gave us the choice(WILL) to do as want.I'm a sinner and I live with my wrongs and at the end of every day I PRAY for forgiveness and TRY to not repeat my sins? This is very hard to do as Man teases us with advertising to make money~
Humans are abused every day, yet no animal can ever do anything to help those humans. Yet "just because we can" we should not harvest animals for everything they provide us?
Every religious argument is circular. 1) “Why do you believe this thing?” 2) “Because it says so in the bible” 3) “How do you know the bible is true?” 4) “Because it’s the word of God” 5) “How do you know God is real?” 6) Return to step 2.
This guy lives in a religious hole ... he is never going to understand. Animals are here with us not for us. Congratulations Ed,you are strong to resist this kind of mentality .
well the bible clearly says animal are here to serve us so there is not much one can argue about, one can only argue if it's really necessary to eat them but not about living with them in a symbiotic relationship like trading goods to both their advantage.
A lot of animals are here for us. Chickens, cows, pork. Literally no use except for food. Cats kill rats and dogs serve humans and horses serve humans as well, like donkeys. But lots of animals are here for us for food only.
@@wokeaf1337 please ...the bible is not the true,think out of your square mind and feel,a benevolent God never put non human animals to serve you,when you act like a part of everything then you Will understand. Be compassionate to all my creation ...i think your god Will say that
@@TheChlozie Religion generally makes a person less able to think for themselves and more likely to follow others. It's a form of brainwashing created by humans and if you want to reach enlightenment it's better to let it go. God is one thing but religion is another.
Mallory Breanne I failed a couple times in the past because I was trying way too hard to cut out all animal products. Now I’m focusing on reducing my use of animal products little by little.
He said animals aren't 'ensouled beings,' but Aristotle referred to this animated activity as 'empsuchon,' that is, ensouling.. being the act of living itself.
- Ed and the off-camera guy: "The ten commandments say 'Thou shalt not kill' " - Religious guy: "It's talking about humans though" - Me: The word "humans" does not appear in the sentence, it simply says "Thou shalt not kill", end of sentence. It doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill humans", the sentence ends at "kill" (a verb which, unless accompanied by a grammatical name, it has no specific reference to a particular species, it refers to all species).
@@M_SS1 I'm vegan but that's just factually incorrect. "Murder" specifically means the killing of one of your own species. You can't just start bending a dictionary to your individual needs.
@@goji5887 One of the dictionary definitions of murder is, simply: "to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously". I'm sure you know most words have more than one definition in dictionaries, and apart from the first definition of murder, which is the one referring to the law (and it specifies so on that entry, before the definition - it says in italic "law"), there are other definitions, and the one I've mentioned is one of them. Of course, we could go on an endless loop saying things like 'Oh, but what about animals that get killed "gently", and not inhumanely or barbarously?', and we could be robotic and adhere to dictionary definitions to explain the whole universe, fitting there all existing emotions, and so on, but we're not robots, and dictionaries don't explain all existence by any means. The example 'Oh, but what about animals that get killed "gently", and not inhumanely or barbarously?' corroborates this, as there's no such thing as humane slaughter (and before somebody says anything, I'm not talking about when an animal is euthanised to stop them from suffering if there's no solution to their suffering, I'm taking about slaughter). And if someone says "oh yes, there is humane slaughter cause the dictionary says so", then we could consider that someone a robot. Laws also say a hell of a lot of unjust things are legal, but so what! The best example of unbelievably unjust laws are those that allow the imprisonment of slaves (animals) that are kept in barbaric conditions for the sole purpose of killing them (and to anyone with some feelings, that is murder) to satisfy human taste buds. F#*k the dictionary, and f&%k what old stories related to religions say: killing someone who wants to live IS WRONG, and I don't need a dictionary to contradict that.
@@goji5887 Another unjust law is that you can take a gun, go to the forest and kill a poor animal. But the law says you can. SO? Does that make it OK? I'm Spanish, and bullfights are not only allowed by law, but MY taxes pay for the whole process, from the farmers to the bullfights and the maintenance of the bullrings etc. So, books say it's OK to torture and kill animals for the sake of entertainment, and that those opposed to it must pay for it too (just like all farmers get subsidies from governments that come from everyone's taxes, including vegans), and I can't say it's wrong because that would mean I'm "bending" the law books "to my individual needs", as you put it? I've been a vegan for longer than we (vegans) were acknowledged (and not very accurately) in the Spanish dictionary, so does that mean that the years I was a vegan before the dictionary finally included us, I didn't exist? Again, for existential things, f*#k the dictionary.
This man terrifies me, and his beliefs that you can do anything to an animal and get into heaven are literally shocking to watch. I admire Ed so much for keeping his cool during this one.
Christians murdered people 500 years ago here in the "western hemisphere" because they thought we were not humans (indigenous people) as they thought we lacked a soul. Before European Christian's colonized the "Americas" they murderer their own kind. Europe wasn'talways Christian, Christian Europeans eradicated the local religions... the worst part is I am not making this up, they wrote about their crimes and called it History! So glad I am vegan and I have abandon all forms of religion. No veganism is not a religion for any of those silly people who would like to think so.
Southy That’s not the position being held here necessarily. Humans might well be more important to other humans than any other species but that still does not mean humans are justified in brutalizing other species. Particularly just for kicks or even just because we can - like purposefully killing a spider because “might makes right”.
Okay... not to be anti-religious or anything... but its terrifying what some people will agree to if they have been taught something/someone has a soul or doesn't. He could literally just believe that black people, babies or disabled people "don't have a soul" and justify anything he wants. As many religions and religious leaders have done in the past and some continue to do. Humanity can be so depressing sometimes. Anyway. Great work as usual Ed! :D
Emily Faraday funny you had to start with “not to be anti-religious or anything... but”. Religion possesses an unjustified special respect in our society it doesn’t deserve.
I love how Ed pointed out that it's not even objectively proven that humans have souls so his argument is completely based off of religious beliefs. this guy sounded like a complete idiot and makes me feel anti-religious
@@simplyskeptic5079 True . I mean, I understand people who believe in a deity or aspects of religion (and didn't want to tar them all with the same brush, hence the preamble), but I do believe organised religion can be one of the most dangerous weapons we possess.
Actually the first gnostic religions/religious were vegans -- Essenes and Cathars, Pythagoras. This thinking that animals don't have souls can be attributed to the popular 1600s philosopher Rene Descartes who claimed animals were soulless machines.
"why is taste a justification?" it's right "why are other sensory pleasures not a justification?" cuz it's wrong "what makes them right and wrong?" cuz they just are
Taste??? I prefer taste than eating shit. Lol. If vegan people wants to eat shit is their problem. Nobody is imposing on vegans to eat plants only. Lol what hysterical people these vegans
"What happens to people's jobs?" Who cares? It's not my moral obligation to keep everyone's jobs relevant. If i lose my job cause people don't buy the thing i do I'll get another job. People shouldn't buy just for me or my business. Lame excuse
I always thought that point was a bit entitled. In the free market companies get out competed all the time, no one owes your particular business money.
@Ribeye Demon nah man... fyi tofu is derived from soy... it wouldnt be "and".... i could sit here and grill you will recipes but literally just go on google and type "vegan burger recipe" 😂😂 go to burger king, and order an impossible whopper... thats a single example of the hundreds of variations. I personally love veggie burgers because there is millions of combinations and flavors of different veggies... the alternative is a meat burger. Meat flavored. No im kidding, the flavors in most burgers come from... you guessed it... plants ;D. Anyway im getting tangent here. Hope it helps
@Ribeye Demon also based on your comment if you are one of those people who is like "ewww vegans eat soy blah blah blah.." just go read the ingredients label on any dry good in the grocery store. Does it contain soy? Surprise! Most likely... vegans dont just eat tofu and soy so I am politely asking if you hold that view please let go of it :) often times you look in the produce section of a grocery store, thats representative. Or the organic, natural goods sections of stores are also representative. There is also a massive percentage (I usually say 70%+ but could be way off because of my dietary choices) of regular processed goods in the grocery store that are vegan. It really just depends on what vegan you are talking to. Some prefer a wholefoods plant based diet. Some eat mostly processed foods. Some eat a raw food diet. It just depends.
@Ribeye Demon right on. Yeah for sure. To be honest I have seen a ton of meat eaters eat a veggie burger (depending on the recipe) and have this look of surprise on their face that they cant tell the difference haha... plus saving the environment, animal and human lives, and your health :) totally awesome.
lost count of how many times my jaw dropped to the floor while watching this.. not because of the guy's ridiculous arguments, (those are always a given) but because of Ed's brilliance. this debate was really challenging, the most challenging out of the ones I've watched so far. he never loses his patience, but gradually gets a lot more assertive and his arguments - more categoric. it really helped me get to know his perspective better. what an amazing, inspiring human.
K M Rohleder and Ed uses his steam-rolling talking points to so wonderfully mock his religion over the internet! WHAT AN UNSUSPECTING RELIGIOUS DUNCE! yippie!
Gettin into a good school doens't have anything to do with being smart. It is just about hard work and memorizing and religous people tend to be hard workers. I've met alot of stupid people with good grades and vice versa.
Ed is the most patient, eloquent speaker I’ve ever seen. While my blood was boiling at this student’s ignorance, Ed remained calm and logical throughout the entire discussion. So much respect!
Do you want the world to go vegan? The majority of the worlds population is not very well educated. If we keep treating them this way, think of ourselves as superior to them, then there's no way we could ever educate this majority. Let's get down to the level they want to debate at and respect the way they think, like Ed does. Let's try to convince them of the fact that eating meat is morally wrong. You guys are achieving the exact opposite. You're not superior to someone with a lower IQ or lower education.
J Smit Yeah, you’re right. I can get carried away sometimes, but this comment reminded me that we should treat them as equals if we want to have the remotest chance of changing their opinion.
@@ptolemyauletesxii8642 dude thats actually scarily accurate for all the religious nuts ive met. Its like they arent even a person and just a religious drone of the state.
I don’t know how ED does it, I couldn’t be that patient! He is becoming more & more experienced on tackling brain dead people. This religious guy is on another planet called “contradiction”.
It's not just awful it's terrifying because he's chosen one aspect based on soul or the presence of a soul. And he has taken it to full-on psychopath level. He doesn't care if it hurts Harms make something suffer he doesn't care at all about the consequences of his actions and what it does to something that can scientifically knowing comprehend every bit that is happening to it. Besides his belief about animals is practically the dictionary example of a psychopathic serial killer. How can he stop he's denying himself everything else that's normal human behavior. Only have sex if you're making a baby so he can't even be sexual with his partner unless they're actually trying to make a baby. He's holding back normal feelings which eventually backfire and he did downplay slavery completely. He's a violent white supremacist and he is not a rare person it came from a family that made him think this way they taught him to think this way. There's so much more I want to say but I don't want to sound like him in Bizarro world but he scares me. And the fact that the people running our countries come from the same backgrounds and the same belief systems is just absolutely terrifying
At the same time there are smart, compassionate and wonderful beings like Ed here. What an amazing ability to stay calm before such a bestial person. Excellent job, Ed 👍👍👍
@@gomezaddams6470 @Gomez Adams: You made some good points but at what point did he advocate white supremacy? I caught the speciesism. Please show me so I'll know too. Thanks
@@michelemustafa7912 other people pointed it out way better than I did. At one point he was talking about right and if everybody does something and agrees on it it's okay. I'm super tired so I'm not going to get this right as far as verbatim but he brought up if everybody's doing it basically it's okay and brought up like slavery and he said you mean indentured slaves and he says I'm talking further back than that and the guy basically kind of walked around it rather than saying that was wrong we have gotten rid of things that we went stop were correct. He wouldn't even go there after he had basically brought up if everybody agreed on it and it's in the Bible at that it's okay. He never once said that things were wrong like the way women were treated the way people of color or of other races were treated enslavement of any kind. And Ed asked him blatantly he went around it in a really funny way or somebody who disagreed was slavery what's a well yeah that's wrong we've learned. He didn't want to admit that we've learned that some things are not right. Like I said other people explained it different and right now is really a bad time for me to answer this I don't even know how I saw it because that's not how my last name is spelled on this even though it's not my real name as two DS. But and then exhausted stupor I saw it. I hope you can find that part and watch it yourself and see how you feel about his reaction it's really sad just everything about his whole entire Behavior he is so indoctrinated by his religion that he thinks having sex with his own wife once he's married is a sin if you're not trying to make a baby. He's taken things that he thinks it's sinful to a level of mental illness which is very dangerous with the combination of thinking it's okay to hurt an animal he scares me. Anyway I hope you can find that part cuz Ed blatantly ask him about it and he doesn't answer him properly at all it's debatable how he feels but he seems to be kind of messed up so who knows. a lot of people are giving him credit for having time to figure things out but somebody at his age who thinks that masturbation is a sin but it's okay to hurt an animal that he doesn't care how much pain they go through or how much suffering cuz they don't have a soul that's a pretty messed-up way of thinking
Unfortunately there are so many people that lack compassion for farm animals and likely it is in large part because society actively normalises the suffering of farm animals. Once it is so engrained in them that animals are there to serve human pleasures, I am doubtful that Ed's moral arguments, which require a certain level of empathy, can really resonate with people like this. I wonder whether they would respond better to more human-centric arguments, like the fact that animal farming is actively using up land and resources for humans, is financially unviable and irresponsible etc...
Well considering all the cruel animal sacrifices that pleased God in the old testament, not to mention the global genocide, war crimes, and slavery endorsed by him, as well as constant senseless violence in response to minor transgressions against his subjective will, I'd say god
That's because he understands where the dude is coming from. With his point of view in mind, Ed has compassion towards him and his ignorance, remembering how ignorant he himself had been before going vegan.
Finally Ed! Ive missed your videos! My husband 3 boys and I became vegan 1 month ago and it all started with you thanks for your work and for the impact you have in opening peoples eyes and being so kind. God bless you, protect you and guide you.
Thank you so much, we feel so much better and knowing that we do not contribute to an industry that is based on violence and cruelty and is destroying the planet that we are leaving behind for our boys gives us a peace within our spirits that is awesome. When your morals align with your actions and your faith... its beautiful 😊💕
Ed is an absolute genius. What a pure being he is. I am surprised how people will believe easily stories that have been writen 2000+ years ago in the middle of nowhere in Israel by some tribes and will not accept the evidences and science of today. Thank you Ed, you change the world.
@@manuelemariani8188 variables. They can be anything that fit your narrative. Like X can be abuse, or exploitation, W can be slaughter, Z could be enslave, whatever is appropriate really.
Amazing patience! I saw a video of you debating farmers and had a debate with a farmer myself yesterday using your calm and understanding tone and arguments. it went really well, you’re a great example. Thanks Ed!
Another great episode Ed! I truly admire your patience and kindness to your debaters while not backing down at all from your enlightened viewpoint. Thank you for your important and passionate work towards the benefit of all beings. Blessings!
Ed, what a terrific, thoughtful response to his first question. Of course any change will be hard on certain industries and we should have compassion for those hurt by that and it's very helpful to come up with ways to ease any necessary transition. Btw, on this topic, the analogy that comes to my mind is curing cancer. If we could do that overnight, it would throw a LOT of people out of work. Doctors, nurses, researchers, entire facilities would be defunct. Yet, I don't think people would consider that a valid reason not to cure cancer overnight if we could.
Great video, Ed! I've been looking for responses to religious arguments against veganism, because they usually boil down to animals being lesser than humans and humans having some innate right to control them, and I learned a lot from your responses. Around 22:10 when he made his point that "what we do to animals is morally justifiable so long as the intent of the action is not evil," so abusing a dog is only wrong because it fulfills an evil desire to hurt, but what if you weren't doing it because you wanted to act on an evil desire to hurt but you just wanted to have fun? He is probably fine with bull fighting because people do it for fun and as sport, which is not evil. So what if there is a sport about who can bludgeon a dog to death the fastest? What about a sport to see who can stab the most cats in a minute? What about a sport to see who can put the most blood on a wall by throwing puppies at it? All those are fine if it's a sport?
There are components to the morality of an action: How much harm the action causes How bad of a person you are for doing it Bludgeoning a dog to death is an equally bad action in terms of suffering/harm regardless of your reason for doing it. But how harshly we judge you depends on your motives. If you were starving to death on an island devoid of plant life, we wouldn't judge you negatively. But it you were simply looking for sadistic pleasure, we would be highly critical. Both aspects are relevant in different areas: People are punished by the legal system according to how bad the action is (you can't/shouldn't improson someone for being a bad person if they didn't do anything bad). How bad of a person you are for doing the action is relevant for someone who is deciding if they want to be in a relationship with you. Overall, the consequences of an action are more important. To understand why, consider this: would you rather live in a world where there are no bad people but bad things happen or a world where there are bad people but no bad things happen? Unless you are extremely concerned with the private thoughts/intentions of others, I think you would choose the world where no bad things happen. The main reason we care about bad people is because they tend to do bad things. Being bad on it's own doesn't really matter, it's the consequences that are worth caring about. The guy in this video basically ignored the "how bad the action is" part and asserted that the only things that matter are your intentions. Even if we granted this premise, buying animal products is still immoral. You can't buying animal products while being fully aware of the horrors it causes while also having moral intentions. Putting sensory pleasure over the well being of others may well be the most immoral intention possible, which is exactly what is happening when someone buys animal products. "My taste pleasure is more important that you not being tortured and killed" is morally bankrupt in both aspects.
It's not violence it's animal slaughter by law. I do agree though religion as a reason for anything is bullshit. The fact I enjoy eating meat is good enough reason for me. You can shove it.
@@MauriceTarantulas The Holocaust was also lawful. Slavery was also lawful. Just because people got pleasure out of it, didn't make it morally acceptable. Have you seen what the victims of 'meat' go through? www.NationEarth.com.
Levi Vegan grow up my dear... our nature is to eat animal meat, plants and fruits. Its nature and its food chain. By the way.. Your morals are not my morals. You are just another hysterical vegan lol
@@leviahimsa what a way to mix the holocaust with animal farming. Lol I never get surprised with stupid arguments from hysterical vegans. One day they were eating bacon and now they feel with morals to judge you lol... poor idiots
@@iams2109 Holocaust: destruction or slaughter on a mass scale. I wasn't saying animal slaughter is the same as the Jewish holocaust, but good point. I was only saying how legality does not make an action morally justified. Logically speaking it is a holocaust - killing 7.4 billion animals every single day. Once you find out an action is harming another, we have a duty to speak up.
People like this guy are terrifying. So called "Christians" have used their religion to retroactively justify horrible acts of cruelty and depravity all by their own arbitrary definition of morality for the sake of convenience. Ed should've asked how this young man how he feels about the sexual abuse of minors committed/obstructed by the Catholic Church. I'm sure he'll come up with an impressive feat of mental gymnastics to protect the authority figures he's pledged blind loyalty too.
The meat eater guy is so entitled that he thinks he can hold the mic the whole time as if his arguments are worth more. When ironically, his arguments are completely illogical. also shows his uncertainty in the debate because he wants to have the advantage of always having the floor
In my eyes his arguements are worth more, you act like just because someone has a different opinion that they are horrible, starting to sound like nazis or stalinists.
The souls tho argument reminded me of this from the beginning of Dominion - "From beasts we scorn as soulless, In forest, field and den, The cry goes up to witness The soulessness of men.”
Spins his religious beliefs in order to justify stabbing an animal in the neck because he likes the flavor. Brilliant and how benevolent and god-like of him !
I can't wrap my head around how the idea of not killing animals is so difficult for people to understand. It doesn't require that much brainpower. You just want to feel better about your wrongdoings. Ugh! It's so frustrating! Anyway, another great video, Ed. Beautiful job. 💗
Gerardo Argueta you can’t say “god is real” just as I can’t say “god isn’t real” because that’s incorrect. No one knows. Therefor you need to say you BELIVE he is.
Gerardo Argueta Prove to me that god is real, with actually proof and not some sort of life changing personal experience that convinced you that know one else saw or felt... actual evidence.
Gerardo Argueta god may be real for all I know, but standing on the side of evidence is the most sensible thing to do. I get people may life the idea the same as people like Santa, but I would sit on the side of evidence with that like everyone else. So why is god any different to Santa.
Gerardo Argueta but you don’t KNOW it’s a “god”. You have no idea. You also have no idea that there could be an exception for living life. Ironically me, the atheist is the one being reasonable here, not you. I have no fucking clue that there is a god/creator. And neither do you. No one knows shit which is why there are so many books filled with so manny sky daddies and belief systems.
Oh man, as soon as the guy wanted to take the mic from Ed I knew this was going to be painful! Talk about a huge ego... I saw a comment recently on another RUclips video that really sums up this video: "People use religion as a sword to shield themselves while they also use it to slash and hurt others."
One of my favourite interviews with Ed! As he takes on the questions instead of asking the questions.. mirrored how the gentlemen wanted to interact! Love you EE
Ed. You are amazing. I will forever take my hat off to you, for your efforts, your patience, your compassion, your drive, your integrity, your intelligence, your people skills, and your mission.
Ed is a total loser like you. Vegan people are so hysterical lol. One day you were eating bacon and next day you feel with morals to judge people lol. No wonder why you are a small group in our society. Lol... very small group of frustrated and stupid people lol
As SOON as he said …”America”, I had to roll my eyes, the whole land of the free abd right to bear arms and we can do what we like thing is SO incredibly arrogant!!
Love my teamvegan! I was a farm boy in Indiana and I figured out how to heal the planet, the animals, and ourselves. If a midwesterner can figure it out, we all can :)
aman803 I understand, but i do appreciate that Ed doesn’t walk away. People have different views and I like that he respects that and tries to step into their shoes to convince them to respect life.
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Earthling Ed I wanna add this too....this guy legit scares me. And if he’s worried about not wanting people to be the ones who suffer, he needs to stop talking because the majority of us are suffering listening to his level of IQ and unconsciousness.
@@justinkiddrummer LEt me say facts in your face you don't like meat that means you don't like most people so you like animals more than people, so you have 10 cats,cats rhyme with dogs,dogs are man best friend so saying you don't like meat means you don't like humans saying you don't like animal because most people eat meat to save animal because, if we all eat grass the cow will die because we won't have a lot of grass and that means we will die, and the wolfs will have nothing to eat so they will die and all the ice will melt because nobody are planting trees to stop the heat so polar bears will die and penguins will die to so from the ice melting means the water level will be higher so all the other animals will die. the more you know the better.
Earthling Ed watch this my friend - ruclips.net/video/F1b9oq4a2Q4/видео.html
Love listening to you Ed.
You aren 't listening to any of his nuanced explanations and his religious justifications and continue to go over the same argument. Having a 30min convo with a religious person was useless because you don't go anywhere.
Masturbation is a sin but mass slaughter for more sandwich filling choices is fine 🤦♀️
The devil made me touch my own penis and now I’m destined for Hell.
I think he dwelt on the animal / sex thing far to much, you can see why some priests act the way they do
One day you will realise that the vast majority of humanity couldn't care less about animals, veganism is growing but meat consumption increases globally. Do you really think you will stop the 1.5B Chinese eating pork? Especially when they can now afford it, or quell the demand for meat in Africa as their economies grow. I hear the point about the horrors of animal agriculture and understand your position, but your fight is futile other than to self gratify your perceived higher morality in your tiny community. No difference to religious fools.
@@realitycheck5450 meat and dairy sales in america are at a record low. Most people who eat meat could not stand seeing what happens at slaughter houses nor can they take a knife to kill the animal themselves.
@@animallover9378 whose talking about American?, and I think you'll find in the growing meat demand places such as China and Africa they are more than happy to slaughter their own meat. That's why veganism works to a degree in the rich comfortable west, where people are soft. My point remains a global point that more animals will die regardless of your position.
did this guy just defend slavery low key? meat eater mental gymnastics are crazy
How can you come out of that conversation and think that guy was defending slavery? That is just mental gymnastics in order to paint him in a worst light.
@@gregj4754 He defended 'might makes right', as well as claiming that if there's a societal consensus that some group is lesser, it's justified to cause harm to them. So, yes, just adjacent to defending slavery.
Theism also screw things up mentally.
@@joshuabowman317 Just adjacent to defining slavery is mental gymnastics. He never once said anything about Humans against Humans and each time made sure to point out that he was referring to Humans against animals. Inserting slavery into it is wrong , a huge problem, and is why we are divided. You can't listen to someone who has a different viewpoint and hear it clearly without making assumptions. Also I don't agree with his religious justifications.
I think he might have thought of a specific form of slavery ( Timestamp: 18:20). I have seen misinformation about what I think he referred to, and it framing it as something good. I am not saying he defended it, but if he did, these might be relevant. Definitely interesting videos anyways: ruclips.net/video/mqU_ApL5siw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/6iAQ6dA5gJI/видео.html&ab_channel=RationalityRules
"Animals don't have souls".
How do you know that?
"Because thousands of years ago they didn't write it explicitly in a book".
Well, from the atheistic view, nobody has souls.
@@hsdjsdshdhsdnsmsd6247 ...and? Tu quoque.
This religious person claims humans have souls. I would not claim they do or do not. I'm an atheist and I don't believe we do but I have no knowledge on whether we actually have souls or not. Either way, neither Ed or 'Ethical Revolution' made a claim. So the only one that has a burden of proof is the Catholic in the video. This persons' justification is essentially 'thousands of years ago they didn't write it explicitly in a book' - which is a poor evidence to substantiate the truth of the claim.
The Psalm says let everything that breathes praise the Lord. How can a soulless creature praise his God? And why would the Allsoul create a soulless being?
@@wideawake5630 You're predicating this on 1. This 'Allsoul' exists and 2. The Truth of scripture. This needs to be substantiated first. That's how logic works. Suggesting these things necessarily follow, as you just did, without doing so, is fallacious reasoning.
I get that you believe it's true. Which is totally fine. Still, doesn't change the fact you're putting the cart before the horse.
Not my job to convert you. I was speaking to those who believe animals are soulless based on a misguided interpretation of their scriptures. Not speaking to you.
This guy did not make a single coherent argument.
And he's a college student. He can't even think for himself
That's religious folk for ya. Ive met religious folk who dont even know what the holiday they are celebrating is about but claim they are staunch believers. lol
And not a single, intelligent, argument against veganism was made 🌱
you are correct sir
Yup. There never is.
thats because on every level there isn't one
@Southy But if you're living in a developed country, you're not really in a survival situation, unless you're living in severe poverty. You have choices.
@Southy Our society may rely on animal products, but that's why we can switch to alternative products that don't involve animal exploitation, no? It's certainly seems possible for us to reduce usage of animal products and maybe eventually rid ourselves of them completely. Also, just like someone can change diet, businesses can and will adapt, especially if governments provide financial assistance/incentives.
This guy's lack of empathy and compassion is legitimately terrifying
I was thinking the same thing. If there's a God, I'm sure he's not proud of him.
@Alpha Hybrid that's a weird thing to say, because this guy shows no empathy. I'm sure there are Christians that are empathetic.
@Alpha Hybrid thanks, I've met many nuns in my life and they were one of the most sweet and caring people I've met.
@Alpha Hybrid U DON'T JUDGE PEOPLE LIKE THAT. I'M NOT A CRISTIAN, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT TO JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR RACE. FUCK OFF U USELESS PIECE OF SHIT. UR BASICALLY RACIST, BUT RELIGION VERSION. At least there are cristian that have more empathy then ur fucked up mind. I have seen vegan cristians b4. If ur vegan, it makes no difference as u don't even care about humans. If u want to care for animals, care for humans too. Ur basically Hitler if ur always like that
@Alpha Hybrid what's the matter meat flake? Can't handle the false?
The fact that he feels more comfortable saying "I don't care about an animal being tortured" than by saying "masturbation" gives me the creeps.
Religious people who are like this man are psychopathic. He doesn't care about the effect on the victim, only that it's an impure or sinful desire on the part of the perpetrator. His whole "sex is a sin without the intent of having children" justifies men raping women for the purpose of impregnating them. I'm sure he (like many religious people of his ilk have openly said) thinks the wrong of rape is that the man is being "sinful" towards God in his sexual desires (thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not covet) rather than the pain and violation of rights inflicted on the woman.
If he comes back with "women have souls, animals don't": At one point people argued that indigenous Americans and Africans didn't have souls (which meant at the time and probably still to him means the possibility of understanding the Bible and converting to Christianity) and thus they could be enslaved and didn't deserve moral consideration. Where in the Bible does it say that indigenous and Black people have souls? Why would all these respected theologians (look up the Valladolid debate) believe that indigenous and Black people don't have souls and are closer to animals? Where does his religion say that all humans have souls? It doesn't. The Bible explicitly justifies and mandates slavery and genocide. And where does his religion say that non-human animals don't have souls? There are some passages where it says animals are the same as us in all important ways too, it's a contradictory text. If there was unlimited time, I would also press him harder on his belief that the existence of God and souls and other religious ideas have any basis in science or objective reasoning.
It is hard to argue with a religiopath though (coining a word that should exist if it doesn't already), since he really has no moral reasoning skills of his own, only references to what he's been told by the Pope and his bishops.
Ed: Let’s take religion out of the equation for a minute.
Student: error error
Well I dont care that much about morals, except for killing humans and some other morals. So I just think back to the Bible
god's a vegan
save
tree of life doesnt have hunters in it
doesn't have dead animals hanging from it
hunters make tree of death
People have animal sacrifice to them
that's the devil's trick
made people think god ask for animal sacrifice then human sacrifice
blood sacrifice
God's vegan garden uv edn
@@1god126 What did the Apostles eat then? God bless 🙏🛐🗝️🗝️ Matthew 16:17-18-19)
@@frankperrella1202 Frank
The fall
See I said to them don't eat from the tree of death that tastes so good and evil don't do that just because he told you that it was taste good and that you wouldn't die don't do it because you will die
Diet they looked at an animal said go ahead
Die it kill it
And so that day they did surely die
So people have been living a life after the fall
You might choose to live as one of the fallen but you don't have to
You can use the excuse that man has a sinful nature
But you don't have to
I don't force my law onto you
I like to choose
And I don't send you to hell for making the wrong choice
Hell is what happens because of that choice
People started treating animals so they were product
Something to stock on the store shelves
Livestock
But they're not actually alive anymore
It's death
Deadstock
People often talk about the living Word of God and they talk about the living Word of God written on the pages of a dead tree they talk about the tree of Life while they eat and kill animals
Well they've adopted a governmental legal political system that uses the dead language
These are all things of the tree of death
You can use the excuse that man has a sinful nature but you don't have to and the world that you recreate when you choose the path away from me
Well that's how you make hell Frank
I created Earth so that you could experience heaven
It's about living Frank
Heaven is about living
I didn't have to create the variety of flowers
I didn't have to create the variety of animals
I didn't have to create the variety of fruit
I didn't have to create variety of landscape scenery
I did it so that you could experience heaven
All you had to do was work together don't make each other pay for the gift of living
Paying for the gift of living well then it's not a gift anymore right it's kind of the death of a gift because the gift is free
That's what makes it a gift Frank
That's what makes love a gift
So people put the idea of me on the pages of a dead tree and then they say they believe in the god of the Bible and it says though they've made the Bible (god)
They say that god is limited to the things they've read in the Bible.
of course they don't say limited but that's the implication
So now when I talk to somebody or message somebody using email or RUclips comment or anything I've yet to meet anybody that had any actual faith
No faith God exists
Or no faith that God is able to speak to somebody using a RUclips comment
In your mind you've made it impossible for me to do things that should be possible in your mind
Because it is possible and truth that I could choose to be born again
And Frank it is possible that I choose to speak to you
The question is in your thoughts
is god limited to what he can do
Is it possible that I can speak to you using RUclips comments and if not if you choose that god is limited
who or what decides what those limits are you or the pages of a dead tree or god
Those that often I hear them saying things like they believe in the god of the Bible
made it basically impossible for me to talk to them as me because they believe in the God as the Bible
My experience
Maybe I have a better chance of speaking as God as though I'm speaking for god
I could say to people God gave me a revelation or I had a dream and God gave me this vision
Got to put it on my heart or something like that but because people have so much faith in the Bible
Words written on the pages of a dead tree
They often won't let me actually live
Because if I choose to speak to them I say yeah God wouldn't do it that way as though they get to decide how God chooses to speak
So you Frank
What do you think
How do I win the hearts of the people if I'm not what they expect because what they have been taught on the pages of a dead tree saying it's my living Word
@@1god126 Where in the 10 Commandments Does it say that you can't eat meat?? I'll debate you I'm a Catholic & I know my Scripture & the Church Father's." 🙏🛐🍖🍖
Goes to show, you don't need a high IQ to get into an Ivy League college.
@Karl Raad Intelligent compared to what?
Nope more money and connections
Guys, been Intelligent is different than being a real intellect. There’s also compartmental intelligence and pseudo-intellectualism. Obviously critical thinking and logical intelligence are foreign concepts to this indoctrinated guy but he probably has a willpower to study and a good memory to remember what he studied to pass his exams.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
It doesn’t take high IQ to understand and admit that the morals behind veganism are very compelling. It takes intellectual honesty, empathy muscles and the right moral compass ( religion is not). The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Kids and illiterate people sometimes get it easier because they don’t have this illusion.
What do you mean by 'high' IQ? This individual's IQ is almost certainly on the right side of the bell curve, although if I had to guess, it wouldn't be astoundingly far in that direction.
Having a high IQ doesn't make you a critical thinker. Our cognition didn't evolve for philosophy. It evolved for winning arguments or deceiving others to gain domination or get out of a bad situation, or to acquire good behavioural survival strategies. High IQ individuals have these cognitive biased just like everyone else, which we inherited from our evolutionary past, it's just that having a high IQ also makes it easier to learn the techniques to transcend those biases and think in a novel, artificial way.
Or to participate in organized religion.
"what about my freedom to take away other being's freedom?"
"What about my freedom to take away the freedom of the ones that I dont think are important"
Isn't that what the Papacy did for almost 2000 years
@@Qty7777 they still are buddy....welcome to real life. "Neutral" Switzerland established in 1291, home of the Knights Templar Egyptian pharaonic bloodline and their stolen cache of Jerusalem gold, bankrolled artist and forceful charismatic German orator and propagandist Adolph Hitler, to undertake the biggest heist of financial, physical and human capital ever seen, 1939-1945. The Bank for International Settlements was established in the early 1920s with a stated purpose of facilitating German WW1 reparations. Nothing was further from the truth. The Swiss Pharaohs using the BIS started to raid European countries for their wealth. In the late 1930s an enormous storehouse of oil was found in Saudi Arabia. The House of Windsor (UK monarchy, formerly 'Mountbatten', formerly 'Battenberg' Germans) quickly embraced Saudi Arabia as its vassal and the Swiss pharaohs of "neutral" Switzerland set up a shipping fleet (purportedly "aid" ships) that transported Saudi Arabian oil to Germany. A war would soon begin. The finance and the energy source had been found to protract a war between Pharaohs, by and on behalf of Pharaohs, for a half decade. The Swiss Pharaohs of the European and British elite families would begin their extermination of the common people, their slaves. Thus began World War II.
@@g.h7657 👍
{The Roman Church now presents a fair front to the world, covering with apologies her record of horrible cruelties. She has clothed herself in Christlike garments; but she is unchanged. Every principle of the papacy that existed in past ages exists today. The doctrines devised in the darkest ages are still held. Let none deceive themselves. The papacy that Protestants are now so ready to honor is the same that ruled the world in the days of the Reformation, when men of God stood up, at the peril of their lives, to expose her iniquity. She possesses the same pride and arrogant assumption that lorded it over kings and princes, and claimed the prerogatives of God. Her spirit is no less cruel and despotic now than when she crushed out human liberty and slew the saints of the Most High. Great Controversy 571.1
"because they are not human" also was an argument in favour of slavery
Human slavery= bad
Animals= yum yum
Oh snap!
Elijah Everett you really comparing eating meat to slavery.
Oh my fucking god
DamnRUclipsLetsYouHaveANameAsLongAsFiftyCharacters yeah we are because the similarities are obvious
Ed is the best debater I've ever seen on veganism. Calm, quick, well spoken, respectful, and logically consistent without being a pushover. I know you won't stop brother we need you!
I'm just so amazed at how polite he is. According to his videos that I've binged, he's never tried to disrupt their religious beliefs.
He needs to teach us his skills.
I just do not like when Ed nods along to thier nonsense as he listens..I do not get that technique.
@@NELSONandWIGGLES
Alguna razón habrá...
He makes the other person comfortable by indicating that they are being listened to. @@NELSONandWIGGLES
@@NELSONandWIGGLESit is the way all interviewers behave, they often usually off camera. It’s to encourage debate, he is helping them through their thoughts, but shows the inconsistency of them afterwards in a respectful way. It’s a very good way to encourage people to think more deeply about the subject.
"What do you think has high value, taste or life?"
"Taste"
And for the first time I've seen Ed losing his patience for just a second
Virginia Schianini I would’ve lost my shit
@@ryannlewis3955 Yup, would've flipped that table right then and there
How does one actually go forward when someone replies with that? Ed does it so well!
My mother has said that to me but then again she doesn't really give a shit about animals on any level so... some people just genuinely don't care about justifying their actions.
That's actually what every non-vegan thinks whether or ot they're conscious of it. Difference is, he actually admitted to it - so not such a bad start. Plus, he's actually choosing to sit down and think about this contrary to most non-vegans so I'd say good for him! Honesty's the first step towards becoming vegan.
I dont think this guy was expecting such a deeply rooted educational answer.
tricia_panda _vegan agreed. Maybe regretting it about 5 mins in
What Eds horseshit haha nice one.
His answer is a Humes fallacy, there is nothing intelligent about it.
Pretty sure slave owners were all like "But you're treading on my right to own slaves!"
I compared slavery to what we are doing to animals and I had a person freak out at me cause he assumed I thought animals deserve every right like humans including to vote...bruh
Slavery, sexism, killing gays etc... We’re all legal and allowed once. So the argument of “it’s my right” which implies it’s okay cuz it’s legal is irrelevant and shouldn’t be used.
@Jayde Prasad OMG what idiots! How can they just dismiss the comparison soley based on it being between eating meat and slavery without even thinking through your reasonable logic and seeing the similarity. Also the fact that they think comparing them means that slavery was okay and not the other way around, meat not being okay.
@@smakko omg 😂😂. Like obviously animals can’t vote or be equal to humans but they deserve the bare necessity to live and not be abused. Omg how is that hard for some periods to comprehend
@@ashley-sv4lo I think more compassionate, logical, open-minded people understand veganism quickly. Its the dense, narcistic, close-minded ones that will throw in arguments that contradict themselves and pretend they are not being hypocrites of their own moral values...
Ed: What is more important, taste or life?
Nonvegan religious psycho: Taste.
most of people are like that. They would rather die from cancer or heart disease than change their lifestyle.
No moral justification for that answer. I wonder how he would feel if he had to kill a chicken before he ate it.
Sugarplum K probably perfectly fine, honestly I would do it easily
@@sugarplumk2381 probably nothing as most normal people
@@enyabthegreat9993 you couldn’t be more wrong lmao vast majority of people could never kill an animal unnecessarily
Okay, that was grating.
The mental gymnastics he displayed was Olympian level.
@Molson Muscle You know this, I've seen fish flop around less than he did.
😂😂😂
Guy looked shook when Ed said the animal agriculture industry was playing god by genetically modifying god's creatures.
But god didn't make them good enough so we need to make them better LOL 🤦LOGIC OUT THE WINDOW.
Yup.
Lol absolutely
@@Satsusss
but i thought everything god does is perfect..?
And he saidIt is Fine !
I love how they blur the face but sometimes it doesn't QUITE cover it and it just slowly and awkwardly shifts back onto the guys face 😂
😂😂
I saw it RIGHT NOW!!!!😂
I really love how ed never makes people feel like theyre "wrong". He listens to people and finds a way to explain in the least threatening way. By trying to make it relatable for them so they can have an understanding based around their existing beliefs.
he’s so clever
This is an ivy-league student, you guys. Just reminding everyone
Ryan Morrissette but the debates are unfair. One person is well researched on the topic. This is just a random dude with info off the top of the head. Like taking a test u didn’t study for
AMERICAN ivy league, which is below the standards for european education
Dillongerger No one put a gun to his head...
@@DiII0n it was his choice to be/go there 🤷
@@DiII0n No one forced him to debate lol.
No loving god would have put animals on earth to be abused.
Wallis Alexander Family they creating god in they own image so anything goes
who are you to even try to explain to GOD because MAN has done ALL the evil on this planet, not the Creator who gave us the choice(WILL) to do as want.I'm a sinner and I live with my wrongs and at the end of every day I PRAY for forgiveness and TRY to not repeat my sins? This is very hard to do as Man teases us with advertising to make money~
@@woxineaucrows7355 are you vegan?
@bobby bobson and yet abortion is done in the bible when the woman has been unfaithful to her husband.
Humans are abused every day, yet no animal can ever do anything to help those humans. Yet "just because we can" we should not harvest animals for everything they provide us?
If someone finds my eyes in the comment section, please, let me know. I lost them during one of so many eye rolls.
😅😅😅😅
When people say, "farmers need to make a living tho" just respond with "so do pimps".
Brilliant !
Exactly, and "so do bullfighters" (who work for the torture-and-murder-for-the-sake-of-entertainment industry).
And "so did slave traders"
This dude used "innate good" and "a good purpose" and "good pleasure" about 500 times and never provided a definition for them that wasn't circular
yep, he's gotta justify his behavior to himself somehow ya know, poor guy!
What is "bad pleasure" anyway? It doesn't make sense.
2 oxymorons words.
it's the purest, best pleasure, sir.
Also he would enjoy hurting animals because they are "not humans".
Every religious argument is circular.
1) “Why do you believe this thing?”
2) “Because it says so in the bible”
3) “How do you know the bible is true?”
4) “Because it’s the word of God”
5) “How do you know God is real?”
6) Return to step 2.
“Sex for pleasure or whatever is wrong” this guy sounds like a fun time
What a fool. Sex for pleasure is wrong but eating animals for pleasure isn't?
Bless you Ed, for having the MOST INCREDIBLE PATIENCE IN THE WORLD
“Their less than humans” that statement shows more about who he is as a person then about the animals he slaughters.
Anonym Anonymsson you need 20 cows for your family? They sound fat and sinning from gluttony
The "other" has been used for all kinds of horrible deed.
This guy lives in a religious hole ... he is never going to understand. Animals are here with us not for us.
Congratulations Ed,you are strong to resist this kind of mentality .
Don't be deterred by the cognitive dissonance. We want him to go vegan; it is still possible.
well the bible clearly says animal are here to serve us so there is not much one can argue about, one can only argue if it's really necessary to eat them but not about living with them in a symbiotic relationship like trading goods to both their advantage.
A lot of animals are here for us. Chickens, cows, pork. Literally no use except for food. Cats kill rats and dogs serve humans and horses serve humans as well, like donkeys. But lots of animals are here for us for food only.
@@wokeaf1337 please ...the bible is not the true,think out of your square mind and feel,a benevolent God never put non human animals to serve you,when you act like a part of everything then you Will understand.
Be compassionate to all my creation ...i think your god Will say that
@@Noor-hd5nf who said that ?you? Your god? ....please !!
Little mind little heart
Why is it that the religious ones, that supposedly preach peace and love seem to argue the most against veganism?!
Let's not generalise. I'm Christian and 5 yrs vegetarian, hoping to transition to veganism soon. I think ALL life is precious.
@@TheChlozie Religion generally makes a person less able to think for themselves and more likely to follow others. It's a form of brainwashing created by humans and if you want to reach enlightenment it's better to let it go. God is one thing but religion is another.
@@user-re2jb2sb8y you sound like a reddit atheist rn 😂 look it up on RUclips if you don't know what I mean
@@TheChlozie You are a true Christian that God would look back and say "well, I sure am proud of mankind tks to ppl like you!"
@@TheChlozie what's stopping you from becoming Vegan now...not soon, as "all" life is precious?
I just love your approach! Welcoming, challenging, but never getting heated or upset! I could learn from that ;)
I agree. I would be totally be comfortable sending my carnivore friends & family to him.
Hi Peepal Farm!
Listening to these debates makes me lose my faith in people slightly, then reading the comments helps me find it again 💓
But like there’s morons in the comment section that are like “yum donkey burger” I don’t appreciate them.
This convinced me, gonna go read up on how to be Vegan
ruclips.net/video/97Wry4ppywQ/видео.html
Good luck
How did it go?
How is it going?
Everyone wants to know if you went vegan!
Mallory Breanne I failed a couple times in the past because I was trying way too hard to cut out all animal products. Now I’m focusing on reducing my use of animal products little by little.
“Anima” is the Latin word for soul. As well as the root for the word animal.
Such profound words!
He said animals aren't 'ensouled beings,' but Aristotle referred to this animated activity as 'empsuchon,' that is, ensouling.. being the act of living itself.
@@mcrotty from beast we scorn as soulless, in Forest, fields and dens. The cry goes up to witness the soullessness of men
@@vampology6663 wow, what's that from?
@@jayl24548 it's a quote from a writer but most people recently probably know it from the opening of Dominion.
- Ed and the off-camera guy: "The ten commandments say 'Thou shalt not kill' "
- Religious guy: "It's talking about humans though"
- Me: The word "humans" does not appear in the sentence, it simply says "Thou shalt not kill", end of sentence. It doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill humans", the sentence ends at "kill" (a verb which, unless accompanied by a grammatical name, it has no specific reference to a particular species, it refers to all species).
Well to be honest in the original Hebrew it says: לא תרצח Lo tirtsakh, which is Thou shall not murder.
@@bravulo Of course, killing anyone, any animal (unless by accident, unintentionally) is murder
@@M_SS1 I'm vegan but that's just factually incorrect. "Murder" specifically means the killing of one of your own species. You can't just start bending a dictionary to your individual needs.
@@goji5887 One of the dictionary definitions of murder is, simply: "to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously". I'm sure you know most words have more than one definition in dictionaries, and apart from the first definition of murder, which is the one referring to the law (and it specifies so on that entry, before the definition - it says in italic "law"), there are other definitions, and the one I've mentioned is one of them.
Of course, we could go on an endless loop saying things like 'Oh, but what about animals that get killed "gently", and not inhumanely or barbarously?', and we could be robotic and adhere to dictionary definitions to explain the whole universe, fitting there all existing emotions, and so on, but we're not robots, and dictionaries don't explain all existence by any means. The example 'Oh, but what about animals that get killed "gently", and not inhumanely or barbarously?' corroborates this, as there's no such thing as humane slaughter (and before somebody says anything, I'm not talking about when an animal is euthanised to stop them from suffering if there's no solution to their suffering, I'm taking about slaughter). And if someone says "oh yes, there is humane slaughter cause the dictionary says so", then we could consider that someone a robot. Laws also say a hell of a lot of unjust things are legal, but so what! The best example of unbelievably unjust laws are those that allow the imprisonment of slaves (animals) that are kept in barbaric conditions for the sole purpose of killing them (and to anyone with some feelings, that is murder) to satisfy human taste buds.
F#*k the dictionary, and f&%k what old stories related to religions say: killing someone who wants to live IS WRONG, and I don't need a dictionary to contradict that.
@@goji5887 Another unjust law is that you can take a gun, go to the forest and kill a poor animal. But the law says you can. SO? Does that make it OK?
I'm Spanish, and bullfights are not only allowed by law, but MY taxes pay for the whole process, from the farmers to the bullfights and the maintenance of the bullrings etc. So, books say it's OK to torture and kill animals for the sake of entertainment, and that those opposed to it must pay for it too (just like all farmers get subsidies from governments that come from everyone's taxes, including vegans), and I can't say it's wrong because that would mean I'm "bending" the law books "to my individual needs", as you put it?
I've been a vegan for longer than we (vegans) were acknowledged (and not very accurately) in the Spanish dictionary, so does that mean that the years I was a vegan before the dictionary finally included us, I didn't exist?
Again, for existential things, f*#k the dictionary.
This man terrifies me, and his beliefs that you can do anything to an animal and get into heaven are literally shocking to watch. I admire Ed so much for keeping his cool during this one.
It’s hard to hear someone justify the abuse and killing of these animals because they’re ‘less than humans’
Horrific isn't it. No wonder the world is screwed. The selfishness and self importance of humanity is astounding.
Christians murdered people 500 years ago here in the "western hemisphere" because they thought we were not humans (indigenous people) as they thought we lacked a soul. Before European Christian's colonized the "Americas" they murderer their own kind. Europe wasn'talways Christian, Christian Europeans eradicated the local religions... the worst part is I am not making this up, they wrote about their crimes and called it History! So glad I am vegan and I have abandon all forms of religion. No veganism is not a religion for any of those silly people who would like to think so.
@@srikrishnajay veganism is a religion too lol
thinking the same...hard to believe some people could think that.this guy is immoral, to me. Ed at his best!!
Southy That’s not the position being held here necessarily. Humans might well be more important to other humans than any other species but that still does not mean humans are justified in brutalizing other species. Particularly just for kicks or even just because we can - like purposefully killing a spider because “might makes right”.
Has religion turned him into a sociopath?
Obviously the views he presents are reprehensible to Catholics: not caring about animals is not Catholic.
No. He use religion to justify his behaviours as a sociopath.
@bobby bobson Dumbass abortion is done in the bible. It makes you look even more stupid for repeatedly commenting this.
Definitely..
Wouldnt be the first time religion did this.
You can see he’s really struggling to justify it because he knows what he’s saying is rubbish 😂
Be specific
@@Sammie551 no.
Ed, your patience is incredible. This guy is crossing the limit
Okay... not to be anti-religious or anything... but its terrifying what some people will agree to if they have been taught something/someone has a soul or doesn't. He could literally just believe that black people, babies or disabled people "don't have a soul" and justify anything he wants. As many religions and religious leaders have done in the past and some continue to do. Humanity can be so depressing sometimes.
Anyway. Great work as usual Ed! :D
Emily Faraday funny you had to start with “not to be anti-religious or anything... but”. Religion possesses an unjustified special respect in our society it doesn’t deserve.
@@simplyskeptic5079 🙌🙌🙌
I love how Ed pointed out that it's not even objectively proven that humans have souls so his argument is completely based off of religious beliefs. this guy sounded like a complete idiot and makes me feel anti-religious
@@simplyskeptic5079 True . I mean, I understand people who believe in a deity or aspects of religion (and didn't want to tar them all with the same brush, hence the preamble), but I do believe organised religion can be one of the most dangerous weapons we possess.
Actually the first gnostic religions/religious were vegans -- Essenes and Cathars, Pythagoras. This thinking that animals don't have souls can be attributed to the popular 1600s philosopher Rene Descartes who claimed animals were soulless machines.
"why is taste a justification?"
it's right
"why are other sensory pleasures not a justification?"
cuz it's wrong
"what makes them right and wrong?"
cuz they just are
Because one of the 1,000s of "gods" said so :)
ShizouHeiwajima14
That sums up this entire debate very well ✅
Taste??? I prefer taste than eating shit. Lol. If vegan people wants to eat shit is their problem. Nobody is imposing on vegans to eat plants only. Lol what hysterical people these vegans
@@iams2109 relax brother
Ivan Mendez meat eaters are the ones that are literally “eating shit” so
"What happens to people's jobs?" Who cares? It's not my moral obligation to keep everyone's jobs relevant. If i lose my job cause people don't buy the thing i do I'll get another job. People shouldn't buy just for me or my business. Lame excuse
I always thought that point was a bit entitled. In the free market companies get out competed all the time, no one owes your particular business money.
im always amazed in your ability to keep your cool in these debates, truly inspiring stuff
He used to be a meat eater, he can't really get upset like that, he knows what it was like
eating a vegan burger while watching this :)
Paul H and I ate vegan ice cream while watchin this😊👍
I’m eating bacon while typing this
@Ribeye Demon nah man... fyi tofu is derived from soy... it wouldnt be "and".... i could sit here and grill you will recipes but literally just go on google and type "vegan burger recipe" 😂😂 go to burger king, and order an impossible whopper... thats a single example of the hundreds of variations. I personally love veggie burgers because there is millions of combinations and flavors of different veggies... the alternative is a meat burger. Meat flavored. No im kidding, the flavors in most burgers come from... you guessed it... plants ;D. Anyway im getting tangent here. Hope it helps
@Ribeye Demon also based on your comment if you are one of those people who is like "ewww vegans eat soy blah blah blah.." just go read the ingredients label on any dry good in the grocery store. Does it contain soy? Surprise! Most likely... vegans dont just eat tofu and soy so I am politely asking if you hold that view please let go of it :) often times you look in the produce section of a grocery store, thats representative. Or the organic, natural goods sections of stores are also representative. There is also a massive percentage (I usually say 70%+ but could be way off because of my dietary choices) of regular processed goods in the grocery store that are vegan. It really just depends on what vegan you are talking to. Some prefer a wholefoods plant based diet. Some eat mostly processed foods. Some eat a raw food diet. It just depends.
@Ribeye Demon right on. Yeah for sure. To be honest I have seen a ton of meat eaters eat a veggie burger (depending on the recipe) and have this look of surprise on their face that they cant tell the difference haha... plus saving the environment, animal and human lives, and your health :) totally awesome.
Ed: So you believe 'might makes right' then?
An ivy league student: ...IdK WHaT DOeS ThAT MeAN
Can't you hear how he breathes? He's holding a huge fart, and some stink is filtering to his brain.
Yeah that's our GREAT American education system at work lol.
ahahahahaha this comment wins
Alanna as soon as he said that i knew he was a silly knuckle dragging mouth breather
I've lost faith in the 'ivy league' schools, they bring in morons.
The thing censoring his face is hilarious 😂
lost count of how many times my jaw dropped to the floor while watching this.. not because of the guy's ridiculous arguments, (those are always a given) but because of Ed's brilliance. this debate was really challenging, the most challenging out of the ones I've watched so far. he never loses his patience, but gradually gets a lot more assertive and his arguments - more categoric. it really helped me get to know his perspective better. what an amazing, inspiring human.
"Like serial killers who get pleasure from killing people, it's a bad pleasure"
*Some serial killers also get pleasure from eating people*
CynicalIdealist oh but that’s wrong because “humans have souls”. Ridiculous.
His parents must have paid a boat load of money to get him into this university!😂
K M Rohleder
and Ed uses his steam-rolling talking points to so wonderfully mock his religion over the internet! WHAT AN UNSUSPECTING RELIGIOUS DUNCE! yippie!
Gettin into a good school doens't have anything to do with being smart. It is just about hard work and memorizing and religous people tend to be hard workers. I've met alot of stupid people with good grades and vice versa.
There's no way he's passing any philosophy classes..
Ed is the most patient, eloquent speaker I’ve ever seen. While my blood was boiling at this student’s ignorance, Ed remained calm and logical throughout the entire discussion. So much respect!
He is a great example to the idea that religions block your logic. He literally said that killing animals is fine but masturbation is evil.
this dude gives me SO much hope for my future.
if HE can get into Brown, i can too.
Have you seen his yale videos >-> if you have money, youre getting in.
Do you want the world to go vegan?
The majority of the worlds population is not very well educated. If we keep treating them this way, think of ourselves as superior to them, then there's no way we could ever educate this majority.
Let's get down to the level they want to debate at and respect the way they think, like Ed does. Let's try to convince them of the fact that eating meat is morally wrong. You guys are achieving the exact opposite.
You're not superior to someone with a lower IQ or lower education.
J Smit Yeah, you’re right. I can get carried away sometimes, but this comment reminded me that we should treat them as equals if we want to have the remotest chance of changing their opinion.
lol your prof pic fits this comment
tam 13 looool
When you look into the eyes of an animal there is a someone looking back 💚
Very true, it's Not an Organic Robot!
@Metrix Cube Meanings can change and do, all the time.
They are angels😍
When you look into the eyes of this Christian you see nothing looking back at you.
@@ptolemyauletesxii8642 dude thats actually scarily accurate for all the religious nuts ive met. Its like they arent even a person and just a religious drone of the state.
I don’t know how ED does it, I couldn’t be that patient! He is becoming more & more experienced on tackling brain dead people. This religious guy is on another planet called “contradiction”.
I just love Ed´s wonderful capacity for empathy and then he goes and explains the strongest argument. It´s amazing!
What an awful person, makes me so sad that there are people like this in the world 😥😣😥😣
I don't believe him to be a bad person, he is just adoctrinated. He still has room to change
It's not just awful it's terrifying because he's chosen one aspect based on soul or the presence of a soul. And he has taken it to full-on psychopath level. He doesn't care if it hurts Harms make something suffer he doesn't care at all about the consequences of his actions and what it does to something that can scientifically knowing comprehend every bit that is happening to it. Besides his belief about animals is practically the dictionary example of a psychopathic serial killer. How can he stop he's denying himself everything else that's normal human behavior. Only have sex if you're making a baby so he can't even be sexual with his partner unless they're actually trying to make a baby. He's holding back normal feelings which eventually backfire and he did downplay slavery completely. He's a violent white supremacist and he is not a rare person it came from a family that made him think this way they taught him to think this way. There's so much more I want to say but I don't want to sound like him in Bizarro world but he scares me. And the fact that the people running our countries come from the same backgrounds and the same belief systems is just absolutely terrifying
At the same time there are smart, compassionate and wonderful beings like Ed here. What an amazing ability to stay calm before such a bestial person. Excellent job, Ed 👍👍👍
@@gomezaddams6470 @Gomez Adams: You made some good points but at what point did he advocate white supremacy? I caught the speciesism. Please show me so I'll know too. Thanks
@@michelemustafa7912 other people pointed it out way better than I did. At one point he was talking about right and if everybody does something and agrees on it it's okay. I'm super tired so I'm not going to get this right as far as verbatim but he brought up if everybody's doing it basically it's okay and brought up like slavery and he said you mean indentured slaves and he says I'm talking further back than that and the guy basically kind of walked around it rather than saying that was wrong we have gotten rid of things that we went stop were correct. He wouldn't even go there after he had basically brought up if everybody agreed on it and it's in the Bible at that it's okay. He never once said that things were wrong like the way women were treated the way people of color or of other races were treated enslavement of any kind. And Ed asked him blatantly he went around it in a really funny way or somebody who disagreed was slavery what's a well yeah that's wrong we've learned. He didn't want to admit that we've learned that some things are not right. Like I said other people explained it different and right now is really a bad time for me to answer this I don't even know how I saw it because that's not how my last name is spelled on this even though it's not my real name as two DS. But and then exhausted stupor I saw it. I hope you can find that part and watch it yourself and see how you feel about his reaction it's really sad just everything about his whole entire Behavior he is so indoctrinated by his religion that he thinks having sex with his own wife once he's married is a sin if you're not trying to make a baby. He's taken things that he thinks it's sinful to a level of mental illness which is very dangerous with the combination of thinking it's okay to hurt an animal he scares me. Anyway I hope you can find that part cuz Ed blatantly ask him about it and he doesn't answer him properly at all it's debatable how he feels but he seems to be kind of messed up so who knows. a lot of people are giving him credit for having time to figure things out but somebody at his age who thinks that masturbation is a sin but it's okay to hurt an animal that he doesn't care how much pain they go through or how much suffering cuz they don't have a soul that's a pretty messed-up way of thinking
His total lack of compassion is very scary.
Religion teaches love, compassion and care. Bullshit, lol.
@@pashaputrasupriatna4596 But only for humans. If you're catholic, at least. Of course some religions do teach compassion for animals.
Unfortunately there are so many people that lack compassion for farm animals and likely it is in large part because society actively normalises the suffering of farm animals. Once it is so engrained in them that animals are there to serve human pleasures, I am doubtful that Ed's moral arguments, which require a certain level of empathy, can really resonate with people like this. I wonder whether they would respond better to more human-centric arguments, like the fact that animal farming is actively using up land and resources for humans, is financially unviable and irresponsible etc...
@@pashaputrasupriatna4596 Yet they are the most homophobic
@@Sammie551 true, all thanks to this demonic book called bible.
"I don't care about the suffering and harm of the animal".... Ed you're a saint for putting yourself through this... seriously...
The guy changed his moral code like 5 times during this conversation.
this guys entire ideology is just terrible. “you’re using the minute” nah bro you just don’t want to face reality.
Yours is just as bad, you have the same ideology that millions of vegans have, come up with your own bro..
Ed: Define a good purpose.
Dude: Not a bad pupose.
Me: Face-palm 🤦
Ask a stupid question, get a smartass response.
@@XTheCrystalBeastGuyX that's just a dumb answer.
Sums up deontological ethics tbh, complete bullshit
Well done Ed, that was a difficult conversation to manoeuver through but you came up with intelligent responses to all his points. Great job.
Wish you asked this question to every religious guy: 'Who'd you think kill a cow? God or Devil?'
Let them ponder over it.
Excellent question
Well considering all the cruel animal sacrifices that pleased God in the old testament, not to mention the global genocide, war crimes, and slavery endorsed by him, as well as constant senseless violence in response to minor transgressions against his subjective will, I'd say god
Man, Ed is so patient. This was so painful to watch. 🤦♀️
That's because he understands where the dude is coming from. With his point of view in mind, Ed has compassion towards him and his ignorance, remembering how ignorant he himself had been before going vegan.
Finally Ed! Ive missed your videos! My husband 3 boys and I became vegan 1 month ago and it all started with you thanks for your work and for the impact you have in opening peoples eyes and being so kind. God bless you, protect you and guide you.
Leslie Venegas that is fantastic!
Leslie Venegas that's amazing. You must have a beautiful vegan family. Well done all of you for making the change 💚💚💚
Thank you so much, we feel so much better and knowing that we do not contribute to an industry that is based on violence and cruelty and is destroying the planet that we are leaving behind for our boys gives us a peace within our spirits that is awesome. When your morals align with your actions and your faith... its beautiful 😊💕
The placement/movement of the blurring effect in this video is just superb 😂😂😂
He was struggling. I think I felt more uncomfortable for him then he did.
Ed is an absolute genius. What a pure being he is.
I am surprised how people will believe easily stories that have been writen 2000+ years ago in the middle of nowhere in Israel by some tribes and will not accept the evidences and science of today.
Thank you Ed, you change the world.
Ed could have used Gary Yourofsky’s line - If God condones the violent acts of X W & Z to animals , then what does the Devil do?
What X W Z stand for ?
@@manuelemariani8188 variables. They can be anything that fit your narrative. Like X can be abuse, or exploitation, W can be slaughter, Z could be enslave, whatever is appropriate really.
Amazing patience! I saw a video of you debating farmers and had a debate with a farmer myself yesterday using your calm and understanding tone and arguments. it went really well, you’re a great example. Thanks Ed!
Another great episode Ed! I truly admire your patience and kindness to your debaters while not backing down at all from your enlightened viewpoint. Thank you for your important and passionate work towards the benefit of all beings. Blessings!
Ed, what a terrific, thoughtful response to his first question. Of course any change will be hard on certain industries and we should have compassion for those hurt by that and it's very helpful to come up with ways to ease any necessary transition.
Btw, on this topic, the analogy that comes to my mind is curing cancer. If we could do that overnight, it would throw a LOT of people out of work. Doctors, nurses, researchers, entire facilities would be defunct. Yet, I don't think people would consider that a valid reason not to cure cancer overnight if we could.
Gretchen S
That’s a great analogy with curing cancer!
@@AlexiHolford Thanks!
@@Truth.is.winning I've always wanted to do a little light pillaging - now I have the perfect excuse! :)
“Like I said, I don’t care about the suffering of an animal”. Catholic, A
That he's Catholic doesn't make all that he says Catholic. That's not how any of this works.
Great video, Ed! I've been looking for responses to religious arguments against veganism, because they usually boil down to animals being lesser than humans and humans having some innate right to control them, and I learned a lot from your responses. Around 22:10 when he made his point that "what we do to animals is morally justifiable so long as the intent of the action is not evil," so abusing a dog is only wrong because it fulfills an evil desire to hurt, but what if you weren't doing it because you wanted to act on an evil desire to hurt but you just wanted to have fun? He is probably fine with bull fighting because people do it for fun and as sport, which is not evil. So what if there is a sport about who can bludgeon a dog to death the fastest? What about a sport to see who can stab the most cats in a minute? What about a sport to see who can put the most blood on a wall by throwing puppies at it? All those are fine if it's a sport?
There are components to the morality of an action:
How much harm the action causes
How bad of a person you are for doing it
Bludgeoning a dog to death is an equally bad action in terms of suffering/harm regardless of your reason for doing it. But how harshly we judge you depends on your motives. If you were starving to death on an island devoid of plant life, we wouldn't judge you negatively. But it you were simply looking for sadistic pleasure, we would be highly critical.
Both aspects are relevant in different areas: People are punished by the legal system according to how bad the action is (you can't/shouldn't improson someone for being a bad person if they didn't do anything bad). How bad of a person you are for doing the action is relevant for someone who is deciding if they want to be in a relationship with you.
Overall, the consequences of an action are more important. To understand why, consider this: would you rather live in a world where there are no bad people but bad things happen or a world where there are bad people but no bad things happen? Unless you are extremely concerned with the private thoughts/intentions of others, I think you would choose the world where no bad things happen. The main reason we care about bad people is because they tend to do bad things. Being bad on it's own doesn't really matter, it's the consequences that are worth caring about.
The guy in this video basically ignored the "how bad the action is" part and asserted that the only things that matter are your intentions. Even if we granted this premise, buying animal products is still immoral. You can't buying animal products while being fully aware of the horrors it causes while also having moral intentions. Putting sensory pleasure over the well being of others may well be the most immoral intention possible, which is exactly what is happening when someone buys animal products. "My taste pleasure is more important that you not being tortured and killed" is morally bankrupt in both aspects.
Lol, I love how the blur slowly moved off his face and then back discretely.
These videos are exhausting to watch, I can only imagine how exhausting it is for Ed to participate in them.
Using religion to justify violence is so disgusting.
It's not violence it's animal slaughter by law. I do agree though religion as a reason for anything is bullshit.
The fact I enjoy eating meat is good enough reason for me. You can shove it.
@@MauriceTarantulas The Holocaust was also lawful. Slavery was also lawful. Just because people got pleasure out of it, didn't make it morally acceptable. Have you seen what the victims of 'meat' go through? www.NationEarth.com.
Levi Vegan grow up my dear... our nature is to eat animal meat, plants and fruits. Its nature and its food chain. By the way.. Your morals are not my morals. You are just another hysterical vegan lol
@@leviahimsa what a way to mix the holocaust with animal farming. Lol I never get surprised with stupid arguments from hysterical vegans. One day they were eating bacon and now they feel with morals to judge you lol... poor idiots
@@iams2109 Holocaust: destruction or slaughter on a mass scale. I wasn't saying animal slaughter is the same as the Jewish holocaust, but good point. I was only saying how legality does not make an action morally justified. Logically speaking it is a holocaust - killing 7.4 billion animals every single day. Once you find out an action is harming another, we have a duty to speak up.
People like this guy are terrifying. So called "Christians" have used their religion to retroactively justify horrible acts of cruelty and depravity all by their own arbitrary definition of morality for the sake of convenience. Ed should've asked how this young man how he feels about the sexual abuse of minors committed/obstructed by the Catholic Church. I'm sure he'll come up with an impressive feat of mental gymnastics to protect the authority figures he's pledged blind loyalty too.
The meat eater guy is so entitled that he thinks he can hold the mic the whole time as if his arguments are worth more. When ironically, his arguments are completely illogical. also shows his uncertainty in the debate because he wants to have the advantage of always having the floor
In my eyes his arguements are worth more, you act like just because someone has a different opinion that they are horrible, starting to sound like nazis or stalinists.
@@enyabthegreat9993 would you not say that condoning horrible behaviour is horrible?
@@Ossian-dr1vr I think that would be situational
@@enyabthegreat9993 okay, would you give me an example of such a situation?
@@Ossian-dr1vr condoning racism
The souls tho argument reminded me of this from the beginning of Dominion -
"From beasts we scorn as soulless,
In forest, field and den,
The cry goes up to witness
The soulessness of men.”
Well said!
Spins his religious beliefs in order to justify stabbing an animal in the neck because he likes the flavor. Brilliant and how benevolent and god-like of him !
I can't wrap my head around how the idea of not killing animals is so difficult for people to understand. It doesn't require that much brainpower. You just want to feel better about your wrongdoings. Ugh! It's so frustrating! Anyway, another great video, Ed. Beautiful job. 💗
Thank you for doing what you do, Ed. I admire your patience
God has the worst fanbase
Gerardo Argueta you can’t say “god is real” just as I can’t say “god isn’t real” because that’s incorrect. No one knows. Therefor you need to say you BELIVE he is.
Gerardo Argueta Prove to me that god is real, with actually proof and not some sort of life changing personal experience that convinced you that know one else saw or felt... actual evidence.
Gerardo Argueta god may be real for all I know, but standing on the side of evidence is the most sensible thing to do. I get people may life the idea the same as people like Santa, but I would sit on the side of evidence with that like everyone else. So why is god any different to Santa.
Gerardo Argueta but you don’t KNOW it’s a “god”. You have no idea. You also have no idea that there could be an exception for living life. Ironically me, the atheist is the one being reasonable here, not you. I have no fucking clue that there is a god/creator. And neither do you. No one knows shit which is why there are so many books filled with so manny sky daddies and belief systems.
Gerardo Argueta Love is a literal chemical reaction, you’re making yourself look even more delusional than you seemingly already are
Oh man, as soon as the guy wanted to take the mic from Ed I knew this was going to be painful! Talk about a huge ego...
I saw a comment recently on another RUclips video that really sums up this video:
"People use religion as a sword to shield themselves while they also use it to slash and hurt others."
One of my favourite interviews with Ed! As he takes on the questions instead of asking the questions.. mirrored how the gentlemen wanted to interact! Love you EE
"if gods perfect, how can we make his creations better" ...you just have to love ed ♥
Thank ed for bulletproof argument. The guy doe not know what he is saying.
Pleasuring ones self = evil
Taking the life of an animal cause taste tho = A OK 😳🤨
Nick Eisnor enslaving other humans= also ok
its also in the bible
Sui Des ok. Are you for slavery and murdering animals? Cause I’m against it. It’s hard to tell from your comment.
@@nickeisnor840 They are against it, I think they're just pointing out another flaw of the bible
Sophia that would be a long list wouldn’t it.
Ed. You are amazing. I will forever take my hat off to you, for your efforts, your patience, your compassion, your drive, your integrity, your intelligence, your people skills, and your mission.
Wow. Masterful stroke when you managed to neutralize religion from this debate
Ed your patience astounds me every time. This guy is just the limit 🤯
Ed is a total loser like you. Vegan people are so hysterical lol. One day you were eating bacon and next day you feel with morals to judge people lol. No wonder why you are a small group in our society. Lol... very small group of frustrated and stupid people lol
@Skye 。 hey forget any comment you saw from me. I'm in your side now. More important, I am with the animals
@Skye 。 you too. I just made connection with the situation and I feel more compassion for the animals.
@Skye 。 you too have a wonderful day. If I changed probably more people like me can do it too
@@iams2109 you don't sound very smart, you don't sound very nice, you sound like a parasitic sac of selfish shit
One of my favorite things about this format is, how respectful Ed talks to his opponents and that he is really, authenticly listening❤️
As SOON as he said …”America”, I had to roll my eyes, the whole land of the free abd right to bear arms and we can do what we like thing is SO incredibly arrogant!!
ED YOU ARE INCREDIBLE, AMAZING CONVERSATION
Love my teamvegan! I was a farm boy in Indiana and I figured out how to heal the planet, the animals, and ourselves. If a midwesterner can figure it out, we all can :)
as a european I can only say that this comment gives me hopeful and positive yeehaw vibes! keep it up!
Whenever someone brings the soul shit up I just walk away, there’s no more conversation.
aman803 I understand, but i do appreciate that Ed doesn’t walk away. People have different views and I like that he respects that and tries to step into their shoes to convince them to respect life.
I’m a non-violent person, but the temptation to slap this guy is overwhelming 🤦🏼♀️