“I’m uncomfortable!” Fisherman takes on vegan
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In this debate I sit down with a student in Arizona who is also a keen fisherman. Things get a little tense at times as he struggles to grapple with his cognitive dissonance and defend his actions, which are in direct contradiction with the values he says that he has.
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In this debate I sit down with a student in Arizona who is also a keen fisherman. Things get a little tense at times as he struggles to grapple with his cognitive dissonance and defend his actions, which are in direct contradiction with the values he says that he has.
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Ed, you're really annoying with this torturing thing.
@@v.a.n.e. Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
listen, Ed, the guy's hair is much better than yours; yours has already begun to fall out. just sayin'
@@v.a.n.e. What's worse, being annoyed or being tortured?
@@v.a.n.e. yeah, you're "just saying" - but what are you saying?
4 years ago, I was eating a chicken in front of a vegan family member to upset them because I found it funny ... and now here I am eating a tofu curry whilst watching Earthling Ed having done vegan activism at the weekend. Keep up the fight folks, people can change - even if it sometimes takes a while to get through to stubborn, self-absorbed, arrogant morons (hi).
100%. Too many vegans are super aggressive and virtue signally which just pushes people away. We need people to want to join
So you joined the cult and are actually open about it.
keep up the good work man!
Cult to what?
@@MustardSkavenMeetings are on Tuesdays and Fridays at the abandoned bakery on Drury Lane. Snacks and beverages will be provided. Robes will be handed to you if you don’t have one. Password is Red Rum
That guy wasn't prepared to talk about veganism. He clearly had one argument ready to destroy veganism and once that was dealt with, he was clearly out of his depth.
It’s not immoral for omnivore’s to eat animals. End of story. An animals evolution is not their fault.
Vegan diets are nutritionally deficient for this very reason - we aren’t herbivores and thus can’t get all the nutrients we need from plants.
Agreed. I do commend him for sitting through the difficult feelings -- he probably wanted to run.
guy wasn’t ready to have his mind changed at all. it’s definitely a process for a lot of people. there’s still a chance he may come around to veganism, but he’s going to need some time to reflect when he doesn’t have all these eyes on him and he’s able to free himself from his ego a bit. it’s actually scary how people just blindly follow what society has laid out for them.
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its not about having an argument, like if he want to not be vegan then thats his god damm given right, now stfu and go eat some buckwheat and let us eat what ever the fuck we want
this dude looked at his friends and said "watch me piss off this vegan", what Ed had in store was the common sense he wasnt ready for...
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100%!
When will they learn!! It's guaranteed that the person who doesn't eat animals has thought about the eating of animals infinitely more than the person who does. Are there any philosopher abattoir workers?
And still that guy won't become vegan, so its all pretty pointless...
Ed is a moral supremacist.
Common sense, the most uncommon of all the senses.
"fish cant feel pain"
"how do you know?"
"idk, heard it from a fisherman"
"what a convenient surprise that may well be"
hahaha Ed you are so great. I respect what you do so much and wish I had the guts to face people like this, even in daily conversation I'm scared of either loosing friends or not having my facts straight.
I too was nervous once! You can do it, and any mistakes you make will just make you better at it. I recommend continuing to watch Ed’s content and others like it, and find your local outreach group. There are times when the subject comes up with people I’m close too and I’m really glad I have hours and hours of experience already from lower stakes environments.
Maybe he heard it from Kurt Cobain
@@hawake5786 Hahaha, this made me laugh. I remember I listened to that song when I was young, and thinking, why does he say that???
@@lindabersee8374 haha me too, but to be honest most lyrics in Nirvana make no sense, just made to rhyme 😂
I berieve in yu Jeppe-kun!!!!
"I'd rather eat something natural-"
"Like... The the actual meat from Burger King?"
"No I eat fish"
"I know you do... I know you do."
Ed embodies everything I love about subtle English humour, this is amazing
Aaaah you beat me to it...this was the highlight of this video 🤣
Highlight 2: "If I liked the way dogs tasted, I might move to Japan"
@@bradbeattie Oh yeaah I physically cringed lol
@@bradbeattie China* and Indonesia and Philippines. Japanese don't eat dogs. They eat horses and bear though
Me and my uncle who is a haunter had a discussion, or were about to this Christmas. He was angry at soy beans 😂 Said that there is REAL food in nature why we are making fake food... And I said Soy is a brand, he looked like he didn't know, and O said chocolate and coffee also are made from beans. He got pretty quiet after that 😁
It amazes me that there are people in the world who follow the “way of the world” and never question anything.
I think we all are like this though. I wasn't born Vegan, and it took me years to finally grapple with my cognitive dissonance.
@@AdmitthatijustdiditX No, we're not all like that. Some get epiphanies right away and feel compelled to question all the lies we're told.
@@Empathy4Animals411 OK, that's valid but I would say not very common. How old were you when you went Vegan?
it's a terrible mindset. 'It's the way of the world!!! That's just the way it is!!!'
my brothers and sisters of the cloth, we have made this world the way it is. we have made our bed, we lie in it. we have made the sandwich and we are currently eating it. we have actively curated our experience of the world to suit us.
@@AdmitthatijustdiditX I became vegan in 1989 after hearing the term "liquid meat" describing cheese/cow's milk products. I'd already given up all meat in 1982 after seeing a cow being injected with various chemicals on a TV talk show. They were both just decisions that made immediate sense & I didn't worry about what I'd eat instead.... I figured it out.
Living with "I agree that's it's wrong but I'll still do it" doesn't last too long. The discomfort he was growing through is a sign of hope that some day he may go vegan.
Think he's probably just gonna repress it unfortunately
It doesn't always happen. It's important to consider peer pressure. The carnivores often come from carnivorous, unquestioning social environments. I, actually, hate it when people say things like "You wouldn't know it wasn't meat!" because, most of the time, they are going to go straight back to "I couldn't kill for myself. I know it's wrong but, if I don't think about it, I can still do it." That's the dominant pattern in my experience. The 'dissonance' just becomes more entrenched.
@@batintheattic7293 I was like that for years but then I finally woke up
"Im still gonna eat meat" he says rifht after saying he agrees with Ed's previous point. Translation "I know I'm wrong but I won't admit to it and change becsuse being stubborn and saying I'll continue to support an unethical industry makes me look "tough" and "strong" because I'm disagreeable. If I agreed with you and changed people watching this video would think I'm "weak". The other translation that correct at the same time is "everyone I know eats meat. I am a yolo fomo type. I only live once and have a fear of missing out. I don't want my corpse loving friends or family to look at me funny for being vegan or make fun of me, because I have no backbone or true self confidence to defend myself and realize they make fun of my veganism because they feel challenged and insecure, I just want to fit in and not have the status quo who've put a "stigma" on vegans to judge me or not hire me or laugh at me".
This guy is so pathetic. Keeps saying "im still gonna eat meat" even though he agrees with Ed's points. Anything not to seem agreeable and change on camera because society thinks being agreeable in ANY situation even when one is CLEARLY wrong and everyone else is rifht, looks "weak"
Well, it actually does last long for the vast majority of people. Also, we have to consider that people are not actually honnest when saying they care about animal welfare. Sure we all do to some extent, but the more I debate this topic, the more I realize that there is a strong social desirability bias that leads people to overstate their "love" for animal.
Don't get me wrong, I still think dissonance is real and prevents some people from turning vegan, but I also think most people are fully aware of the consequences of producing animal products, and they just do not care as much as they pretend, or at least not enough to change their habit. They make their choice several times a day, and I think we gotta accept that most people do not change how they feel even when they are given more than enough information about animal suffering. Point is : you can realize something is wrong when going into a rational debate, but if you are not sensitive enough to that thing, you won't make the effort anyway.
Dude sat down with basically no argument, just to show off his admittedly very nice hair.
The "I'm sorry to hear that" after him complaining about how plant-based meat smells when cooking 🤣 Ed the sass!!!
And in the same breath the guy says he only likes to eat natural meat, to which Ed replies.. "from Burger King?!" Lol
Meat absolutely stinks when it's being cooked. Plant based meat does smell a bit like cat food when being cooked but tastes great when actually eaten.
Hey Man don’t insult cat food like that
@@JJ-zg1hh yeah man cat food are people too
@@JJ-zg1hh That's the burger king one. That fake iron thing they put in them is likely responsible for that. I suspect the same happens with the Beyond Meat one.
Most meat-like plant products do not smell like that, specially the ones that arent aiming for realism
Ed casually debating Ed from an alternate universe.
🤣 so funny.
Yes
This is your Ed.
*This* is your Ed on cruelty.
🛑 Cruelty- not even once. 🛑
He did have a resemblance. Maybe Ed talking to himself at an earlier age before he went vegan?
This made me cackle
As poor as this man’s attitude was I am convinced that Ed planted the seed in his head of how hypocritical he is being! Thankful for you Ed planting seeds to change peoples minds eventually❤
He's better than most though. Trying to be honest which is a good thing, but still scary considering the state of humanity.
He's attitude wasn't poor. He was quite honest and acknowledged his flawed thinking.
Oh yes he plants seeds alright and when they've grown he smokes them, and looks like a hippy.
let's not forget that no one is hypocritical, we are all born NON-vegan and must respect the process of everyone, amen !
@@jusquicitoutvabien777
You mean that no one is not hypocritical?
LOL, I remember saying something like "I can't stop eating meat because I like the taste" when I had breakfast with a vegetarian stranger in an IHOP restaurant. I went home and thought, I like animals, so why am I eating them? A week later I stopped eating meat. That was just 45 years ago, and I am thankful that I had a stranger change the course of my life. Of course today I am vegan. Thanks for all you do Ed.
Nice
I love how ED debates. Its literally like a game of chess.
He is a real professor in debating.
*A veteran mma fighter against 5 years olds
Why did you capitalise ED? Makes it look like eating disorder or erectile disfunction
And this helps veganism how?
@@rondarkman. how else do you get an idea out? Not just veganism but any idea. One has to spread the word and try to change people's perspective - which isn't usually easy to do.
PETA relies on shock tactics which isn't very effective at doing anything other than making people hate PETA. So clearly other alternatives must be used.
Sitting down with an individual and having a discussion on a topic one may not have poured significant thought into is a good way to get people outside their comfort zone and get them to hear and discuss with you. Ultimately Ed is trying to spread veganism but it's up to the individual to make changes.
It doesn't work for everyone obviously, but having a calm, rational argument is better than fallacious logic or fear tactics: i.e. calling someone stupid
@@itsohaya4096 I couldn't help laughing! 🤣😂
Ed, your presence here on earth is a gift. Thank you for being such an informed and eloquent voice on behalf of the animals.
Yeah a gift that nobody is buying HA HA HA
@@dominichall5326 seems like quite a few people do
@@dominichall5326 you are giving him views and interacting in his videos, you are sure indirectly buying it
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He is insanely talented!
Not the brightest bulb in the dark room is he? I can FEEL his anger and crazy frenetic energy impulses building as his conscious is being dismantled. I believe he exemplifies what is actually going on inside each person. I give him credit for not running away.
100 % a dimbulb. Ed is way too smart for this one.
@1204StrikesBack Stop doing bad and making people look bad, too?
If you never want to kill an animal, that’s fine! Be a vegan or vegetarian if you want to be. For him, his decision is different. He is going to eat meat.
@@turtleman8968 It’s not a matter somebody making a decision it’s a matter of being honest about that decision if you’re being hypocritical or not. You can see many people have posted beautiful heartfelt messages about the care of this man shared towards an animal yet they don’t extend the same consideration when it comes to eating. Does that make sense to you? If we don’t have to eat animals, but you clearly don’t, don’t you think it’s quite unethical and hypocritical to make something suffer and slaughter them against the world just because of a momentary pleasure?
@@rayvegan8587 Do you watch movies? There's alot of suffering in the Movie industry, alot of resourced that were gotten with abuse. Everything we do causes harm just because of a momentary pleasure? So what's the diffrence between bacon and movie?
This is the type of guy that posts "bacon mmmh" under a vegan post then you meet them irl and the only argument they have is "DurrRr MeEAt Taste Gud dUrr".
The patience you have Ed is admirable.
lolol
“wErE tOp Of ThE fOoD cHaIn”
accurate
"Do you want cows to not exist????? Because that's what will happen if we stop eating meat. Is that what you want????"
"What about all the mice and insects killed by harvesters???? What about THEIR lives??"
Aww. They care so much ☺
@@camez2345 Well vegans are also fed by those harvesters Sweetie 🥰 Thus the entirety of veganism is debunked and I am justified to go fuck myself with my fragile sense of self which is easily disturbed by simple question about my involvement in the animal exploitation industry!
ed you’ve helped me so much with debating non-vegans lol
Him, Der Artgenosse and Niko Rittenau (the last two both Germans). They wrote a book together. Don't know if it got translated in different languages though.
dats cuz veegenism iz boolsheet lol
@@SirBojo4 why are u here then?
@@wix6893 To get Vegans to mop the floor with me with facts and logic, I like being dominated like a little bitch😘
@@SirBojo4 oh
The way he said "My dog's an animal" sounded like he was very relieved that he could finally bring some sense into the conversation
Ed turned me vegan overnight 3 years ago
i've never felt better , my blood test is amazing and now all my family does a vegan christmas with me
so proud
If it’s overnight it isn’t three years ago it’s last night lol
@@SirBojo4 over night is a saying, which they used to mean that they quit consuming animal products right after watching ed and that happened three years ago. overnight doesn’t refer to last night, it refers to something that changed from one day to the next.
You will get sick eventually, like 84% of vegans who foolish eat that unhealthy vegan diet. Not a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN
@@GarudaLegends it’s been years and i’m doing better than ever. whole food, plant based :)
@mollyk3768 they all say that nonsense, till they get sick and need to eat meat or dairy again. the vegan diet is insanity and unhealthy, and the sheep never learn
I remember after years of asking the same questions to family members, one day my brother finally said, "because I don't care." and I had to thank him for admitting that. That is solely what it comes down to. Thank you for making people think about what they are saying versus what they are doing.
Exactly. They come in with all of their arguments about the food chain, the overpopulation of animals if we don't hunt them, the nutrients that their body needs from eating meat in order to survive (despite all the vegans in the world surviving just fine), so on and on, etc. But once they see how those arguments hold no logic, they finally just admit that they like the taste, and simply don't care about causing animal suffering. And I'm like, oh okay well you could have just been honest and said that from the beginning instead of coming up with these excuses. They give up any logic and debate at that point, and simply resort to childish excuses like "I want my candy, and I want it now!"
It's sad, but there will always be people like that. The guy in this video even states that he isn't a moral person, and that he does many immoral things. So just think about it, if someone is already immoral in other areas of their life, why should they care about veganism? They don't care because they simply cannot care. They are the types of people who only care about an issue until it affects them personally.
Seriously, I hate all those excuses. Just admit that it's not important enough to you. "I could never stop eating meat." Well of course you could, but you don't want to.
I think that’s just sibling snark. Kinda like when your mom keeps telling you to study because you’re about to flunk out of school and you say “I don’t care” (when you actually do care because flunking out would be bad). Or responding to “you haven’t cleaned your room in months, you don’t want to live in filth do you” with “yes, I DO want to live in filth”. It just means “I don’t want to admit it” / “go away”. People are naturally stubborn with family members to start with so they’ll say things they don’t mean just to make it sound like they disagree. They might start changing their behavior in secret before they ever admit it to you lol
It wasn’t. He blurted it out as if he hadn’t really given it much thought and was just as surprised as I was that he actually said it. Also, we’re way past that stage in life to have sibling snark. He’s 40 and I’m 39.
nothing hurts animal abusers more than asking them simple questions
hahaha that emoji
How the heck u got that emoji from
@@tanvirsourav83 vegan powers
For the ones that have a conscience, yeah. For the ones that are sociopaths, those simple questions are easy for them since they don't have any morality at all.
@@amizan8653 Everyone has morality. It may not align with yours but it exists. BS statement.
"Is that the hill you want to die on?" 🤣 Nice one Ed. University degrees ain't got nothing on moral consistency. Relentless and sharp activism by Ed as usual 💚
This dude is just avoiding everything, I don’t know why he sat down.
Because he underestimated the vegan argument.
he didnt really avoid anything. he basically agreed to everything ed said and acknowledged his contradictions. learning its wrong is how a lot of vegans start to connect the dots. a lot of people are smack talking this poor kid because he was so out of his depth but we were all that ignorant once
To his credit, this guy is genuinely involved in the conversation and isn't treating it like combat. He's a good listener and acknowledges when Ed has a point. His ideas are at odds with each other, but he's being thoughtful about it.
He'll come around 😉
Non vegans think they really got one on the vegans when they say “I will still eat my yummy meat.” I mean wow… that one line and they think they have won the debate.
8 out of 10 vegans leave the unhealthy vegan diet. Vegans always lose because the diet is unhealthy and gross
I think they look at the debate's goal as convincing the meat eater to go vegan. The actual goal is to point out why he should in such a way that those watching the video might do so, and to plant a seed so that they might too.
As much I don’t like it I can see why they do it… to wind up some of the most self righteous people on the earth, and it clearly works.
You know, I go through periods of veganism and other than some nutritional concerns, I really struggle with the pushy religious aspect of veganism.
Please try to live and let live. Taoism might be a good place to start for some of you (not a religion btw)
@@jackiewatson5665 the reason we can't just "live and let live" is because there are victims involved in animal agriculture. That would be like if, during the Civil War Era, someone one in the US said "You don't have to own slaves, but I can if I want! Live and let live." That's also why none of stop talking about it. It may seems annoying to have these conversations, but every minute that goes by, thousands of animals lose their lives to this industry. Trust me, its annoying for us to talk about it too. I feel like I have to though, bc these animals deserve someone to speak on their behalf. May I ask what nutrients you are concerned about receiving, in regards to a vegan diet?
@@jackiewatson5665 Thanks for sharing, Jackie. I like your advice to try to live and let live. That is definitely what I am trying to do as a vegan: literally in regards to letting the animals live.
"At least they don't feel pain and die quickly" *2 seconds later* "Well I don't even know how it happens" wow, ignorance at its finest lol
I think most assume it
Ed I have so much respect for your ability to stay level headed & calm when faced with people who are so infuriatingly stubborn. Even after all of their logic has 100 holes poked in it & their justifications proven to be hollow, they still sit there with a smile on their face like they don't give a shit about the massive hypocritical contradictions that they live their life by on a daily basis. Most vegans end up screaming at those people; and I can't say I blame them BUT it's not productive.. it only serves to strengthen their stance almost out of spite. Staying calm is how MLK was able to make the progress that he made. And it is most certainly not the easy way. It's easy to get mad. I commend you my friend
Why is it exceptional that he do? That he remains calm is a normal thing, those debater who becomes agressive not worth to go and say anything to other people, he can't change every person's oppinion on a lifelong habit, which most people actually do since human is a human.
@@PeterPauls dude what are you even talking about lol
@@guy8200 "Ed I have so much respect for your ability to stay level headed & calm when faced with people who are so infuriatingly stubborn."
This is what I'm talking about. Why it is so exceptional? He is the norm. What do you want from him to be agressive and hotheaded? No, this is a debate, he tries his best, most of the people around the world eat meat and fish and a lots of animal products. It is very hard to change a fisher man's mind when he did it in his entire life and only a random guy comes a try to say everything you did in your life is wrong. A 20 minutes debate can't change him, even though there are "logic" behind Ed's words, it is only logical if you actually read about veganism and did your own research and it is not happens in 20 minutues... Do you understand me?
@@PeterPauls dude I understand you but it sounds like you're just really aggressively agreeing with me lol
@@PeterPauls your tone says you disagree with me, but then the points you're making are just agreeing with my own. I was just trying to give our guy Ed here a compliment. You ever heard of compliments? Soo I don't know what you're trying to do here.
How does Ed have the patience to talk to someone like that is beyond me.
What's he gonna do if he runs out of patience blow a leaf?
Easy yoy clowns pay him ,it's vegan entertainment so you guys feel all warm and fuzzy about yourself without doing anything while ed reaps $$$ the rewards
His cause is bigger than the person sitting in front of him. And you won't turn someone Vegan through conversation. You plant small seeds that gets them thinking. This guy will never, ever fish again or play with his dog without thinking about this conversation he had with Ed.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 - Most people who go on diets fail too. When I went Vegan it took me 3 attempts to be successful. Changing the way you eat it is one of the hardest things to do and most people aren't strong enough to do it until a doctor tells them that if they continue, they will die. 84% of Vegans go back to eating meat. Over 71% of the US is overweight and obese, heart disease is the number one cause of death and that comes from the food you eat. And no one is getting heart disease from fruits and vegetables.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 - The term Vegan is not actually the term to describe the diet. It is plant based vegetarian, of which there are studies. The term Vegan although created sometime in the 40s only actually began to be used more widely used in the 80s. Vegans called themselves vegetarians in the US up until 80s-90s. Studies have been done and published.
Even as animal rights activists we don't spend nearly enough time on marine life where the vast majority of suffering is occuring and their treatment is least considered. 💔
he agreed on many point "im a psychopath and agree with all your moral argument that i dont follow"
lol weird
@@MassMultiplayer He quickly realized he was in over his head on this discussion.
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever yeah ed certainly was.
It’s pretty hard to get people to care about fish.
So true! I cried so badly when I watched How Concious Can A Fish Be. Always forgotten victims
Respect to the guy for sticking around for so long even though the questions annoyed him, not because Ed was annoying but because he clearly hasn't reflected on these issues that he feels so strongly about anyway.
I hope someone who can see themselves in him looks at this and realizes that there are tons of logical reasons to question the meat matrix.
We've all heard these answers: I like the taste. I love animals but I also love meat. Everyone else does. This is how it is. It's cultural. We always have. We are at the top of the food chain. I can and therefore I do. You don't save all the animals in the world just because you stop eating animals. There is no perfect world.
Is this what we should respect, just the fact he didn't get up and walk away? A large part of it was apathy, not something to be respected.
All the classic arguments. Thank god he never went to plants are living too 🤣
@@Empathy4Animals411 the human population for a long time now has grown increasingly apathetic
@@alexhardy4559 I call it being chemically dumbed down, which starts at birth now, first with the medical system and then the GMO food chemicals.
@@Empathy4Animals411 so basically just the Americans ? Cause what you mentioned aren't a global situation but rather subjected to a small number of countries if not a country. The average intelligence of the masses is growing on average so it's not the IQ but rather EQ that is being dumbed down progressively. It's not just the medical or food system but rather the current structure of society as well, where people are growing increasingly distant of each other and aloof from the society. Quite a pathetic world we live in.
La santa paciencia de Ed, madre mía.
Es increíble, es mi mayor problema a la hora de tener estas conversaciones, hay personas que suelen ser muy estresantes.
Jajaja creo que en este debate, lo está disfrutando bastante jajaja
You are as good as it gets at doing this sort of thing without being confrontational. The guy obviously felt uncomfortable, but your calm, direct manner just made it hard for him to escalate the situation. Most debaters could learn a lot from you.
He kinda did get confrontational. First time I've seen him so 'aggressive'. I guess he has his limits too. You can only deal with people's ignorance for so long before getting fed up.
@@nvmffs
I would call it more no nonsense mode than confrontational....but I like that.
He didn't sit down with an open mind, ready to be challenged. But perhaps this is the conversation he needed to one day have an honest conversation and question his own ways. Thx Ed.
"Fish don't feel pain"😳It shocks me how far removed people are from reality.
He obviously said that off the top of his head but it's true fish don't feel pain the same way we do
@@nvmffs 😳
@@nvmffs they also don't swim like we do - what does any of that have to do with anything ie. just leaving them be :))
@@nvmffs how do you know that? Very presumptious of you to make that claim.
@@Narcissism-TheDarknessintheWor It's not my claim obviously. I'm just stating what scientists have concluded. And it makes sense when you think about it. They're built quite differently.
I gotta congratulate Ed's twin for sticking around even though he clearly was not enjoying the conversation. You can notice through his facial expressions how he just wants to go on with his life and do something else, yet he decides to continue listening.
He conceded you were right several times yet he still refused to view things differently. That's true cognitive dissonance.
The looks on people’s faces as they work through their cognitive dissonance is funny 😅
What cognitive dissonance exactly? I hear vegans name this a lot but what cognitive dissonance?
@@MustardSkaven The fisherman said he was against torturing animals but he admitted to gutting fish. Also, he supports systems that commit mass murder of animals, but he claims he loves animals.
@@MustardSkaven it's when you your values don't align with your behaviors. or you could say it as having values that are in opposition to ones' actions
@@MustardSkaven It’s a kind of traditional Welsh dance.
@@MustardSkaven Ed has a video where he explains cognitive dissonance
ruclips.net/video/c3oTDJsdURM/видео.html
Earthling Ed vs Fishing Ed
“It comes down to the fact that I like the way it tastes…and I’m not morally good”. I think this is the attitude of many meat eaters. They simply don’t care enough to change, which is sad.
well you didn´t let him of the hook 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
why would u even sit in front of somebody to debate them and then only have "because i like it" as your line of defence
Because many non-vegans feel that is ‘check-mate’.
It amazes me how much information Ed can keep in his head at one time. Genuinely blows me away how he can test the consistency of a persons reasoning, and then bring up a contradiction that was mentioned five minutes prior. Mad respect for you Ed, there is nobody I know even close to your level.
I would LOVE if you went to NCSU if you're ever in North Carolina. It's a school known for it's agriculture and engineering programs. You'll have lots of interesting conversations with profarmers.
You really have the patience of a saint Ed!!
Vegan over 20 years here 🌱🧝🏻♀️
Good Girl! 👌
Means nothing
@@EVIL-en1ym how so?
@watch-Dominion-2018 veganism is an illusion that only appeals to simpletons and only preached by hypocrites.
@@EVIL-en1ym says the angry animal abuser
Edward is a master at repeating statements/positions/logic back to his guests as a means for them to understand how out of pocket they are.
I envy you for how calm you always remain. Great job, as always!
I recently finished reading your book. And even if i am already vegan for approx. seven years, I learned a lot. Thanks for that!
Are there any plans to translate the book into other languages? I would like to give it away in my (german-speaking) family.
Doppelganger...breh
Cognitive dissonance is a biatch. Getting uncomfortable is what these kinds of conversations are about. They are to get those gears grinding.
If you believe that you can't make a difference, then always keep your opinions to yourself and never vote. Lol
Don’t compare Ed to that caveman. Ed doesn’t look like a creep and is much better looking.
@@siennad587 "That's like, your opinion, man"
@@Gaming_Vegan_Ape 🤣😝
Earthing Ed and Evil Ed, good twin, evil twin
@@siennad587
It's about the animals huh?
Him: meat substitutes from burger King are gross!
Ed: what about the real meat?
Him: I eat other meat
How is he not seeing how hypocritical he is. Just because one thing is gross doesn't mean all vegan food is. So many people don't even want to try real vegan meals. Every time I go to a proper vegan restaurant I am amazed by how good the food is and can be, and how diverse! If only everyone tried it once for real..
I once was on a trip to London and the only place near my hotel i could eat was burger king and their burger was one of the most disgusting things I ever ate. If we're I am from burger king was the norm veganism would do me a favor
I also find it hypocritical that vegans who are disgusted by animal meat but wants to eat veggie food that tastes like meat.
@@darrylwolfe7359 that's not hypocritical. Liking the taste of meat is not a choice. I liked the taste but when I became aware of the truth I didn't want to eat it anymore. But that didn't change the fact I liked the taste. Does that make sense?
@@darrylwolfe7359 they know the vegan food is gross, so they have to make their vegan slop taste like meat. I never seen a meat eater try to make a steak taste like broccoli.
@@GarudaLegends - Whatever. When you get a burger you heap all kinds of plants on it to make it taste good. When you eat meat, all of the seasoning is plant based herbs and spices to cover up the real taste.
In fairness to this guy, he sat it through and gave it a go. He didn't have a single answer when challenged, imagine watching this back. Really good episode Ed.
You can tell Ed breaks from the ignorance of some people
Never failed to be impressed by Ed's poise, composure, and eloquence in these discussions👏
"You beat your husband and children?"
"Yes"
"Why?"
"Because I love them"......
Here, where I live is completely normal beat in kids. But I don't agree with that
@@Twistrat My father used to beat me constantly, and after I went vegan, he started doing it more frequently. I gave up being vegan eventually because it got to be too much for me, but I can live alone now that I'm 19 years old. What is your stance on me quitting veganism during the time?
@@turtleman8968 first, I'm really sorry for that. But if you father start to beat more frequently in you because you go vegan, I think it's better you stop it being vegan. He beats you anyway? Leave his home and report your father if you can. Good luck for u ☘️
@@turtleman8968I know your comment is old now, but most vegans would be fine with your choice. Doing things for your own health and well-being is important. You are a feeling, sentient individual and deserve as much love and respect as other individuals. I've seen other instances where it's accepted as well. E.g. some vegans who have to take certain medications with animal products, or someone suffering from EDs binging on them and then breaking down and regretting their decisions. These people have my full sympathy and I would hate to see someone punching them down even further in the name of compassion!
At first sight I believed this was a self parody video where ed plays both roles :D
😂
Ed you're amazing 💚🌱
He understood everything and in the end he was just defiant. But he will never forget this conversation. Thank you so much Ed, you were great!👏👏🙏🌱💚
I bet he looked at the fish in the supermarket differently that day
Ya I bought more
13:35
This is such a crucially important point that can never be over stated 👍 👍 👍 👍
I feel like at the end of the day these discussions simply show the different levels of empathy people have to their character
I'm a vegan and have (compared to many other non-vegans in my life) a relatively little level of empathy.
Another much more important factor, I think, is one's ability to determine their behavior and decisions by logical reasoning. That's clearly what the guy in the video (and I would argue humanity as a whole) lacks to a large degree.
I used to fish (have killed the fish to eat) and used to have the same silly arguments as this....and here I am - 5 years vegan. I hope this guy comes to the same realisations I did.
Negative 5 years ?! Do you really hate Veganism enough to negatively ascribe to it for 5 years?
@@SirBojo4 Ascribe?! I think you mean subscribe. I was going to say don't use long words that you don't understand but ascribe is only 7 letters. lol
Instead I'll just say don't try to sound more intelligent than you actually are. 😄
@@ApexHerbivore He was making a joke about how you used a dash as part of your grammar before the "5" which could also be perceived as "negative 5"
@@guaggy6112 Obviously, lol, but not in a nice way. This kid is clearly a little gamer troll (I checked channel) and not a vegan, otherwise I would have reacted more nicely. If you want to joke with someone in this way you should use emojis to convey the fact that you aren't serious.
@@ApexHerbivore I'm not the one being rude for petty reason here.
I can't blame you for judging my channel though (I can't count how many time I guessed someone was subscribed to Steven Crowder or other right wing pundits based on what the bullshit they say and ended up being spot on) but yeah I posted vids about games years ago but it doesn't indicate me being a kid troll (I would've copypasted r/woooosh or you must be fun at parties kind of stuff back at you if I were a kid substituing personnality with reddit memes)
Otherwise, not in a nice enough way to not be antagonised pretty bad being "no putting mandatory emojis or being over-expressive in comments" is a bit weird.
I believe that I clearly wasn't serious, it is too ridiculous of a comment to be so. It really seems to me that the reply you gave was a digital "I don't like your punchable face and your differing opinions some I'm gonna be nasty" I mean, of all evidence based on my channel and a guess of who I am and if I'm a vegan or not (and if it justify being pretty toxic to me) it just looks like being regularly exposed to pretty mediocre and stupid folks with the same bullshit ideas about veganism and exploitation exarcerbated your reaction.
But really I can't lie that I like to pretend to be a caricature of pretty despicable type of people and am not so obvious about it being a joke, so maybe I asked for it 😁
Never seen Ed push someone this hard
Agreed! I kind of love when he pulls fewer punches.
Lol ed couldn't push the skin off a 3 day old custard
I think he applies the appropriate amount of pressure depending on the conversation.
Me either. I think he may have felt challenged by his hair.
@@Capn_Zach I was surprised I did not see more comments about the hair
I love these debates. I would love to see more of them from you this year, Ed! Much love from Oregon.
Really happy to see you back to debates! I've learned so much from watching your debate videos.
The problem isn’t his morals, his problem is immaturity and strength of character
I wish I could call you every time I have to convince one of my friends that veganism is the way 😭 The way you are able to tear apart ones arguments is absolutely amazing
once again. Ed doing the Lord's work and keeping cool. A lesson in endurance.
I genuinely cannot fathom what it must be like to be this unbelievably stubborn and ignorant. As always thanks for your patience Ed
And he's a university student. Mind-boggling.
It’s much easier then you think, the majority of vegans actually used to eat animal products.
Most people are stubborn. I would bet €100 what even most vegans have stubborn beliefs they hold on to, that don't follow empirical logic.
@@tobiasyoder including myself. But how do you think I became vegan? When I was confronted with the same types of questions it became very clear to me what i needed to do. And that was after a lifetime of carnism. It's not that difficult for me to admit when I'm wrong about something
It was disturbing how candidly and often he brazenly admitted being immoral in general...What's a little stubbornness and ignorance compared to that?!
Best line "I like to eat real food" Ed " what like meat from burgerking" It was at that moment Billy Bob knew he'd fucked up.
the last part of this comment is sending me😭
I’m impressed with how much patience you showed, Ed. Kudos to you!
First outreach video in a long time, I've been missing them! I actually would have given up on him after 2 minutes! You really always know how to bounce back on what people say!
How do you do it Ed? How do you stay so calm? I really struggle (always fail) at staying calm when debating animal eaters. Their cognitive dissonance drives me crazy and gets me so mad. Christmas Dinner, once again, was ruined because I cannot keep my cool with my arsehole family. You have the patience of a saint, sir.
If people feel like they are being
attacked, they will close themselves to your arguments. The best way I have found is to start with questions and draw parallels to your own experience before becoming vegan.
Question their flawed beliefs to guide them at their own conclusions. If you know your facts and can draw some statistics it helps a lot.
In the end I never expect the person to tell me he is going to stop eating meat right away. It’s about planting a seed and it will take years for most to change their ways.
Be patient and understanding. It’s the only way if we want real change ❤🌱
Is that Berghain in your profile/avatar pic? 😅👏
@@drsalka it certainly is 🙌
One point of criticism: I feel like something changed a tiny bit. Maybe I misunderstand something, but I feel like Ed started to get a bit condescending. I mean it's vallid, if one seems to talk against a wall, but I felt this was always the big strength of him, to never get condescending.
I mean maybe I noticed something only now and nothing changed, or maybe I (mis)noticed something that isn't there. If that's the case, I take everything back. I just feel like people start to close up even more, if they feel like the opponent thinks they're dumb or something similar. Especially people as stubborn as he.
He's definitely being condescending and it's happening more and more frequently. I can't blame him. I went vegan like a year or two before him and also used to be (and still can be) really good at calm and patient conversations, but it's getting a lot harder. It starts to feel like people just don't care or don't want to learn anything that might change their mind and there's nothing you can say to help them and you just start to let that frustration seep out. I have a feeling it's going to come in phases. Like I'll have times where I can be super patient and understanding and times when I'm so sick of people and their apathy I just want to explode. I hope and believe it's a skill that can be worked on and improved over time and Ed is probably just going through a more frustrating phase right now.
@@lexaray5 Yeah makes completely sense and I feel te same.
@@lexaray5 exact same experience (been vegan for 10+yrs). Others' apathy is eating me up!
I can't blame him, he's human like all of us, if you deal with people like this on a constant basis, you'll get more and more tired of hearing the same answers over and over again, it's frustrating working towards progress and seeing that nothings going to change or it's changing very very slowly is frustrating
guys like him 1000% are NOT gonna budge and unfortunately there are millions and millions out there just like him :(
Such a small percentage of people budge in 15 minutes. Change takes time! Ya gotta sleep on your hypocrisy sometimes to change it. I have faith for this person, they were open minded enough to keep talking and sit down in the first place. The world will go vegan in our lifetime!
@@timmy12011 fair enough, i agree with that. but i dont agree with the world going vegan in our lifetime! lol
I've known lots of people like him who a month or so later go vegan
Why would you say that? It’s absolutely nothing productive. All your tone does is virtue signal and make non vegans feel defensive. Many vegans once were avid meat eaters it just takes time for it to click.
The overwhelming majority is not going to budge. Bye veganism.
I salute you for accepting the vegan goal is a futile one.
Have to wonder why this guy even sat down.
Fantastic conversation, great patience. Loved this! More of these conversations!
Great episode Ed!!
The patience you have...amazing!
I was missing this debates so bad!!! Amazing work Ed.
Great video Ed! We can learn so much from you! Such a quick mind.
Carnist bingo in one whole person. Incredible performance
LOL!
A 9? Do we have a 9? Aaaaand it's a BINGO!
Ed, you are awesome! Thank you for fighting so hard for the animals and changing hearts and minds 🤯❤
I subcribe to your channel 1 year ago, I think, just because you are vegan but I like your ASMR too
Thanks Ed for all you promote animal wellbeing and saving the planet. It’s people like you that will help make the world a better place. My husband and I have been vegan for nearly two years and it will never ever change. You are an inspiration to others thank you. Mark
Theres a lot of gay vegan atheists
Thank You once again for sharing this. Ed has a lovely (and dare I say, BRILLIANT) way to approach the topics involved and sow the seeds of change for going plant-based. In this particular discussion, I believe the additional environmental impact and health aspects of going plant-based would help others to seriously consider changing.
I never understood why some people will abstain from eating all meat except fish. Why should fish not count? Clearly they can feel pain. Look into their very pronounced eyes 👀!
Yeah the lie that fish don't feel pain makes no sense. They are animals, that live underwater. There is pain in water.
People tend to have trouble with emphasizing with beings the less similar they look. A fish shows emotions and pain very differently. People who can't see it will think that it's not there.
Because MONOCROPPING, bioavailable, leqtins , spirituality etc
@@disneybunny45 Yes, I confess I have a weakness for tinned Scottish Mackerel. I've conquered all the other things, like dairy and eggs and cheese (oh, but the cheese was difficult - getting better all the time, though) but the Mackeral is illustrating how flawed I am. And I know it's not farmed (Scottish Mackerel - farmed?) but it does my head in that we can farm fish but not farm their lab grown muscle mass. I'm waiting for a slab of lab grown, I don't know, Lobster. I did really enjoy the rare treat of Lobster, in the past, before I realised just how complex and interesting Lobsters are. As much as I loved to eat Lobster - there came a point where I absolutely could not put it in my mouth because it was too obscene. Put something with Lobster in front of me, at a dinner party or whatever, and it felt like I was being f***ed with. I was also being tortured - that's what it seemed like. Couldn't disengage my brain about Lobster.
@@batintheattic7293 Yes cheese takes a while... your weakness is tinned Scottish Mackerel. Well, that might take longer than cheese then. I am from a coastal region in France and decided to give in to a lobster dish once at a fine local restaurant. They presented me the lobster live first as they do in some restaurant before cooking it. That view put an end to my lobster consumption.
This guy was not prepared AT ALL with weak argument after weak argument! From the get go he had no leg to stand on! 😂 I love Ed! 😍
I hope that gentleman takes time to allow that conversation sink in.
They sit down thinking - it’s me against this guy, not realising they are about to go to battle with their own logic and morals
Yeah that's on them. Hoping Ed will sit down with someone who has thought it through.
Thank you so much, just ordered my book and excited to learn more 💗
Thank you Ed, you planted a seed in this college's student mind. How do I know, because I was exactly like that student years ago.
It's incredible how you stay so calm discussing the same things over and over again. I hope at some point I'll find the strength to stay as calm and logical as you do when confronted with uninformed people. 💚
In 2023, I was really hoping we'd be further than a young carnist with internet access saying, "I can't just eat greens". Well done for your patient persistence, Ed!
There's 8 billion non vegans, perhaps you should aim smaller
@@rondarkman. 8.1*
You articulated that perfectly as always! 💚
Always amazed by how you remain calm and rational. I have very hard time talking with friends and family about this, recently trying to escape the conversation which always starts when me being vegan am at the table (I guess that they feel judged even if i keep silent). Last time family's friends really wanted to argue, which we eventually did as they felt full of arguments on nature, sustainability, human right, health, biology... etc, but the whole thing started with me saying "at the end of this, in about an hour or so, your only point will be that you eat meat because you like it". Which eventually was what happened. For some reason though, this cognitive dissonance and contraddictions were never enough: in the end people are quite ok with it. I even feel that they're MORE ok, kind of forgiveful for themselves after aknowledging this contrddiction (as it was a little sin you'd be loving to yourself in accepting). Any idea to shake this "apathy"?
I feel you! Me and my sister are vegan, yet our parents are not. To them the only argument is taste and health, in which health can easily be debunked, I mean, it’s SERIOUSLY not a secret anymore that a plant-based diet is completely healthy. And the taste thing, it’s SO horrendous, especially when the same people then say, they wouldn’t do the same thing to a dog or would never ever work in a slaughterhouse and kill the animals themselves. The hypocrisy is SO big it hurts. The only thing I can say that might help, is really throwing the facts at them, and letting themselves come to the hypocrisy and flawed argument they have. I’d recommend watching Ed’s debates, which you already do, and his video on all arguments against veganism (It’s a TEDx Talk!) if you don’t have his book or don’t really like reading. This comment probably didn’t help you, so I’m sorry for that LOL. If you ever get good tips though, I’ll need them asap😭 Have a blessed day!! x
Honestly I don’t think the *apparent* apathy is as big of a problem as we might think. A lot of people are just like this guy. They acknowledge that it’s not moral, or sustainable, and that a perfect world would be vegan. Yet they still go on to eat meat because of the taste. But if I think deeper about this dissonance I can see, that our culture makes it incredibly difficult to be plant based. We have to change our entire lifestyle. He won’t consider being vegan not because he’s apathetic, he’s not, he won’t go vegan because he’s never had to try any alternatives, and if he were to do so he wouldn’t be able to eat out where his friends eat, or cook the only recipes he knows, or not have to worry what he’s going to eat when he’s out, he knows the ridicule that comes with it too… I think that simply making alternatives and vegan options much more widespread a lot of these “apathetic” people wouldn’t be so apathetic anymore, because they could still continue living their life pretty normally. Idk, like maybe he’s so hung up on the taste because it’s all he knows and has grown up with and trying to change it would be overwhelming. Most people only discover the possibilities of plant based food when another person exposes them to it.
'Ed's meat-eating doppelganger doesn't exist, he can't hurt you.'
Ed's meat-eating doppelganger:
I love you Ed! Keep it up!👌😊♥️♥️♥️
Absolutely love your debate videos.
what I noticed in these debates is that people say meaner things that they believe just to not admit being wrong.
Yeah I was missing this style of interviewing with you!
Ed don’t let your evil twin beat you
Thank you ed ☺️