Vegan VS InfoWars (FULL DEBATE - DELETED BY FACEBOOK!)
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Whilst in Ohio, Milly Weaver of InfoWars arrived at the farm/slaughterhouse that we were bearing witness at, and approached for a live Facebook interview.
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by "support" do you mean financial support? because for some of us, the differnce of a vegan only diet from a non vegan one could mean hundreds of dollars per month, if YOU so firmly bee-leave in vee-gin-izm, wood yoo bee sew wyl ing two poot yir muhn e wayr yir mowlth iz?
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080 A vegan diet can actually be one of the cheapest ways to eat ever. Delicious as well it's simple. What's expensive is fancy mock products that are not a necessity.
@@shihigh4027 OK so what is a necessity to get then? at the store the vegan bacon-replacement is like 4 dollars for a little pack, are there other vegan products that are better?
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080 Well whole foods is the best start. Bananas, potatoes, grains, legumes are some of the cheapest food on the planet and so is tofu. As far are replacements it shouldn't cost to much because it should always be a side dish not the bulk if that makes sence. And of course remember investing in you'r health should be a priority and it really is rewarding. I'd say get what you crave but focus your shift on health go to farmers market's, you won't regret it. I hope that helps, and field roast vegan sausages are real good.
Dude you are kick ass! My gf and I are vegan because of you!
I love how americans suddenly start caring about third world countries as soon as veganism is brought up.
Same with a misguided idea of indigenous culture, undocumented immigrants working at farms, and animals killed for agriculture
😂😂 underated comment
What makes you think we haven't cared about third world countries all along?
@@Swan-rb4yg come to a third world country, realize how you live off our backs, and your naive, silly question will be answered
@@Swan-rb4yg american foreign policy speaks for itself mate 😅
She wanted to win the argument. He wanted to educate. That's the difference.
Yeah, but the thing is... He's not interested in anything she has to say because he's convinced his opinion is the only one to have.
Smugness is a SHITTY quality.
DB Jack70 she’s being way more smug
@@yashpermalla3494
She's not being smug at all -- she's just asking questions and trying to conduct a fair interview.
He's arrogantly MANSPLAINING his way thru this entire conversation.
I know reality must be tough for you people.
Lack of protein = learning disabilities/Comprehension issues
DB Jack70 lack of protein? Are you dumb or are you dumb🤦🏾♀️
@@dbjack7022 they were both convinced they were right. And up to a certain point the guy was right but then it bloils down to globalism. Do you want to be dependent on other nations fruit production to sustain a healthy diet?. Cause this raises the issiue that these countrys where fruit grows are independ and can just like oil increase the price to there economic benefit. And this would be a shift in power for south american and african nations. Where banana is the new oil cause its necesary. Objectively this would be good for the balancing of power. But at the same time not good for the perseverience of our norms since these nations while get more power and might start a war cause of diffrent reasons like revenge/religion/corruption. Thats why people are conservatives cause they dont trust there neighbours wich is understandable. Cause power is a reall thing. If iran had the same power as america there would be ww3 right now. Cause we still need to enhance the consciousness of people globaly before we can become globalists. Escpecialy the people in power in both the middle east and even in america. Also this shouldnt stop you from going vegan imo cause saving the planet comes first and then diplomacy. And there might be otherways to get the nutristions you need independitly from your own country.
Ed is so patient. I feel like she just kept on and on about points he had already fully answered.
yeah she came in ready to go
Thats what an activists is doing. Stoicly repeating the same answers hearing the almost same questions over and over again.
And the art is to catch the opponents attention to agree or think about solutions.
he actually didn't answer her points. He just said regarding the fecies of animals "We can figure it out & itlll be a gradual process". That's not an answer
She loses on a point, moves onto the next point, loses on that point, and moves onto the next. Ed systematically destroyed her in this debate, and so calmly too, incredible to watch!
Thats the way any flat earther, hardcore christian, one eyed supporter thinks. Theyre not looking to make a 'sound' argument that lands in any credible way, theyre just trying all arguments they have to find the one thing that you dont have thought out answer for the top of your head to get a 'gotcha' moment.
He destroyed nothing, research states that eliminating meat from your diet isn't healthier, humans and animals aren't the same , he needs to stop giving human examples when talking about animals, he literally said he would be ok killing a child but stands outside defending pigs lol complete joke, if you're trying to win over a Christian at least read the Bible first, God said Christian can eat meat, God is merciful but also destructive, please do not think he's this nice God and he never gives punishment
The problem is she isn't really listening to him. She has a list of talking points and even when he shuts them down she just ends up circling back to it later on.
@@JHL751 It can be healthier as long as you do it properly. The tricky part of a vegan diet is that you need to really pay attention to what you're eating. You need to make sure you're eating foods containing stuff like fatty acids and all the proper amino acids. You can still get all the basic building blocks through vegan diet
@@kramer450 that's false, she responded exactly
"I've done a lot of research on veganism"
"As have I"
Absolute class
She obviously had not done a lot of research on veganism. Had that been the case she would've known she was about to get owned on the most kind and gentle way possible
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"I have done a lot of research" is InfoWars speak for I just pulled this out of my ass and it has absolutely no basis in mutually observable reality.
Omg she looks like a fool.
@@pagochu1 Iam sure she has, but with the intention to discredit it. Ed is good at making arguments, but she is also good, but not as good as him.
Why does this woman think vegans are sustaining themselves on papayas
Apparently, only vegans are eating avocados. Just vegans. no one else.
I don’t even like Papayas 🤣 plant based eaters have a diverse cuisine, whereas meat eating is just few meals
And bananas and mangos
😂🤣😅
Made me realize I can't remember the last time I ate a papaya.
She wanted so bad for this to be a "vegan gets PWNED" video lol. Veganism is built on compassion for all living beings and the planet, I can't see why people want to argue against it so bad.
Because to admit that the way that their parents raised them was incorrect as to admit a whole host of other issues.
Literally
because it is just so tasty :)
And because they are triggered by the bad ones (vegan people with bad arguments and emotions)
Wow you guys are dumb, so there's about a million worms per acre of farmland, so you want to not kill 100 cows and instead slaughter millions in order to turn it into farmland, not including the other native mammals on that land.....Holy shit you guys are really blind to your own imperfect ideas
Because look at this comment section it’s full of toxic behavior. I was a vegan when I was younger and thinking about going vegan again but the one thing I can’t stand about veganism are the people. A lot of the people are like a toxic cult. Eating meat doesn’t make you dumber, not eating meat doesn’t make you enlightened, smarter or more compassionate.
The smile of the man in the back is the literal description of my satisfaction hearing Ed answering all the questions
Benny! :)
Notice-he’ll stop talking as soon as she starts interrupting him. He knows his points, he’s not gonna lose them. The PATIENCE, the KINDNESS, the SKILL!!
It got on my nerves every time she interrupted him. So disrespectful!
Definitely, he is rare, focused and knocked her out with his answers
She picked the right one to ask!
I don't have that skill. But im trying mt best.
That's what I appreciate most about him. He knows his points and he can afford to be patient and allow her to interrupt. It's a sure sign of confidence from him, I feel, that he can allow it. I think I would have insisted that we stop and set some ground rules about interrupting because it's just ridiculous how she keeps trying to interrupt and assert her points and such.
Earthling ed, despite being an ethical vegan, slaughtered a woman that day.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO yes
HAHAHHAAHHAHAH
such a hypocrite
Lol, ethical Vegan, hahaha, What a load of pretentious bunk by Vegans and what makes them all the more insufferable. Not that they aren't already, lol. There's nothing ethical about Veganism, it's a delusion and hypocrisy.
@@MrBilld75 so…
Not paying for products of abuse and murder isn’t unethical? Guess people SHOULD do that then? Sounds really ethical when your thoughts are put into words huh 😐
The fact that Facebook removed this is extremely concerning. This is a productive debate/conversation being had here.
It could just be because it's tied to infowars and all of the controversy around Alex Jones. I'm not saying it was right to remove it, but perhaps anything associated with info wars is being removed under hate speech policy?
It’s difficult to get someone to understand something, when their salary depends on them not understanding it.
That’s one of the biggest problems of a capitalist society.
Ed makes you want to go vegan for the animals, she makes you want to go vegan out of spite
Lmao
😂😂😂😂
ed makes the medium rare steak i had tonight taste better.. and she makes sense.... i litterally work on farms building grain silos...there is a rabid mice plague in australia at the moment... which is tainted all the bali, wheat and chick peas.... do we pat the on the head and say please dont come near the grain.. or poison the vermin.. or the pigs that destroy the crops... we take dogs and knives out and slaughter them.... we shoot the kangaroos... why? because it destroys your beloved crops... and its fun... grow the fuck up
@@homelessjazz7086 wtf? My guy just admitted to agreeing with that Karen that made zero sense
@@woomynation yeah, well I ain't a Karen.. I work on farms and most animals are treated as vermin.. actually need to kill them to keep the grain quality.. if that makes zero sense.. I guess all your food is grown in a supermarket buddy
I don't know how this guy has got the cheek to call himself a compassionate vegan......He just ate this girl alive and cleaned his teeth with her bones!!!
😂😂😂😂 One of the best comments in this vid 👏👏
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LMAOOO
Lmao
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Give this man an award for being so patient 🙆. I am beyond frustrated with her constant interruptions.
I’m on the reporters side in this conversation
Yes, she's a pain in the butt and all her blah blah is a waste of time.
I totally agree.
Ed is polite as allways, the woman doesn't even hear him out.
@@maxmcintyre5068Thank you for the warning.
It’s called a debate
The fact she used dinosaurs as an argument... what a lady.. also kudos to Ed for letting her say her stuff, while she just interrupted him or talked over him. I am now even more convinced to make the switch from vegetarian to vegan, starting with quitting dairy.
Heck yeah. I've been an animal rights activist for 3 years and if I haven't found a good argument against veganism by now, it doesn't exist. You can do it. ❤️
How's it going, did you go vegan?
If Dinosaurs are so healthy, why are they all DEAD?! Tehehe. >_>
She doesn't realize she's helping the argument for veganism.
Ahah
Exactly, using a religion as the basis to justify an act in a world of smartphones, wifi and netflix is the clearest way to express your lack of knowledge and understanding. That's what she did...Go Vegan!
@Biswajeet Pratap Singh Hi i didnt know. What religion is that?
Indeed. :') She tries so hard
Its glorious
"Veganism isn't sustainable because vegans rely off of papayas"
This lady....
Hey don’t forget about the mangoes and bananas! We transport them one banana at a time on a Boeing 747 for maximum fuel usage. Unsustainable af.
Vegans are ALWAYS substituting tropical fruit for meat in recipes. You always see them with their banana burgers, and spaghetti with papaya balls.
@@mena376 this made me laugh out loud
Seriously so uneducated about balance of a vegan diet. 😂 She is so confident but tiptoes in waters she doesn't yet understand with the confidence her opinion is automatically the correct one. Funny to see so many of her claims contradict others she makes. She just reaches for things to try and win. But Ed doesn't resort to that because he speaks truth. Asks him for cited sources when she is equipped with none. So funny. But I hope she rethinks after this debate !
I've been to a health food shop and looked at the vegan products, bloody expensive, almost laughable. Since when your vegan advocates are hypercritical and double standard. Joey carvstrong drinking milk on his own vlog why because its a vegan farm and vegan friend running it. The good morning Britain had a female vegan on it making it clear she eats eggs, why, because she named the chicken and also again it's vegan raised. The so called healthy vegans that look anorexic and skinny, they look like holocaust victims. Speciesism as the vegans cry out yes that is what the vegans doing to the human race. Those on low incomes would have difficulty keeping up with the prices increase and the necessary nutrition required. Do the vegans care about these humans no just the animals, Speciesism.
Funny how after getting her so called "facts" debunked, she just immediatly switches to another argument. And this just goes on and on...🤦♂️
Just like flat Earthers do...
All of that to ultimately hide behind the irrefutable Christian church... Lol she's a tool, and a prime example of why we should definitely have the right to abortion.
She is desperately gishgalloping her way through the conversation, constantly changing because all she has is filler words, and no honest data.
@@NeverWoken So right. You can’t learn if you can’t listen.
I saw this when it happened, and when the crew approached you I was thinking... oh dang... they have NO IDEA who they are trying to debate. I actually felt sorry for them. LOL!
*she asks a ridiculously stupid question*
*Ed being polite* : "that's a good question"
😂
the "well the dinosaurs produced more methane bc they were big" was my favourite
@@penelopeandpriscillaaregay1712 absolutely on god 💀
Ed Winters is the saint of veganism.
Dumb girl just keeps asking the same stupid questions again and again. Bless Ed and his unlimited patience to explain to the simpletons.
Reporter: "I've done a lot of research into veganism"
Ed: "yeah so have I"
Bahahaha
Reporter: "I've done a lot of research into veganism, it's not sustainable while eating meat is and it's unhealthy."
An you can see where she’s getting her info from. From the war.
Got it? InfoWars 🤣
@@Tofusoldat that was so stupid but i laughed. good job dude
@@megaloblabber2948 Flat jokes against flat minded people.
We need to keep ED safe. He speaks for all of us against these morons
She pulls the mic away from him so she can get the last word. Ed just handles it like a gentleman. Admirable AF. This lady is clueless but Ed treats her with respect the entire time. You go Ed!
me after a week without bananas mangoes and papayas: 💀
Im from a tropical country...and I don't seriously remember the last i consumed a mango or papaya..
@@swati0710 HAHA citrus fruits mess with me. They make my body inflamed. No thank you to citrus!
A mango a day keeps death away
🤣🤣💀💀
It's common knowledge that the best and only replacement for dietary meat is tropical fruits.
Ed's seemingly infinite patience is something I strive for.
Becuase he knows if he stood there shouting he'd look like a crackpot.
You don't need so much patience skills when you are the one busting other people's balls to change their lifestyle
It takes practice and experience lol. I’m sure he didn’t start out having this much patience.
She's going to look back on this and think.. " Ffs wasn't I a twat! "
I agree. I'd have found it difficult, as she brought up the same things just in various different ways, & he kept having to go ever them again & again.
I don't envy him, it must be tiring.
Anyway, amazing talk. Well done Ed
Ed: what’s wrong with not causing unnecessary harm to other beings?
Blonde: bUt gLobAliSm thO
Can sb explain why they hate globalism so much? I dont get it
@@vaelinlaornas yeah, cuz it doesn’t make sense, and neither does she 💀
We already have a global economy. I'd be willing to bet all the money in my bank account she doesn't eat 100% local food.
i love the way he gives a voice to the voiceless and never backs down, always respectful, always articulate, always seeing from a loving point of view. he is a great leader for his cause and he probably inspires a lot of people every single day.
she keeps talking about globalism. i cant wait until she discovers that her clothes, makeup, microphone and camera weren't created in her country
That's globalization not globalism.
Hehe also she keeps trying to trap him into saying it, so they can sell it with a headline
@@SorceressWitch *NAZIS NAZIS NAZIS EVERYWHERE*
She's just making it a decent conversation, stupid triggered jerks!
@Berserker Fate Not its not muppet well done you played yourself
Lady - “The vegan diet isn’t sustainable without globalization !”
Meanwhile, Monks are living plant-based, completely peaceful lives on remote mountaintops.. for thousands of years..
Hahaha good point ☝🏻
^^
I really want to know if all of her clothing and technology was made in Ohio and if she only gets animal flesh from farmer's market.
Also, you can grow winter hardy vegetables. One of the points she was trying to make is that you can't solely rely on grains, and you cant grow tropical vegetables in Ohio, so you would have to import them, ie, globalize. But you can grow crops and veggies that are cold hardy, its just not done today, but doesn't mean it can not be done.
U r right. The right choice comes from right level of consciousness. We have the beast and angel in us. Who we nurture more determines whether we will kill other human beings out of base urges like racial prejudices, or eat animals or plants and so on. It is out the moral compass which we have in all of use by virtue of being born a human. Not the moral compass dictated and shifted by marketing sharks or twisted theologies, be it Christian or Islamic or others.
He is 100% correct on all arguments... imho... Im going Vegan .. been trying for a hwile.. however each time i hear these argumnets i become more committed to the transition asap.. we all benift..
It's ridiculous how in 41mins she let him finish just about one of his sentences without rudely interrupting.
Arguing with Ed about veganism is like playing Uno with someone who has only reverse cards.
underrated comment.
@@philipphagspiel8676 totally underrated. I did a double-take because I was surprised it has only 13 upvotes
so true!
@Bea Z --hahahahaha so true
HaHaHaHa
"veganism is developed world luxury".. wow.. did she just say that.. I come from india which is developing nation and major of food there is vegan.. Many african countries that are third world have many meals that are vegan because they cannot herd.. So eating meat is developed world luxury..
Yes. I was STUNNED that she had NO IDEA that the most populous areas are vegetarian. You can feed many more humans that way. If you want to talk about population control, keep things going the way they are and wait for the climate crisis and see how many are killed. Did you notice that she stupidly claimed that the DINOSAURS created more Methane Gas??? Yes, and they are ALL DEAD! I felt sorry for her.
Veganism is indeed a developed world luxury. If you disagree present the facts please.
@@peterhagtharp4263 It takes more effort to produce animal flesh than plants because we grow both plants (to feed animals) and actual animals. Instead it is easy for us to directly feed on plants which is cheaper. This is a simple way to contradict your statement. Here is a study you can go through: www.pnas.org/content/115/15/3804. Isn't it obvious that growing animals is expensive?
@@shad7214 If they are feeding the animals human inedible food and just getting by from malnutrition (starving or lack of nutrients such as B12), then they can't go vegan. These people are also eating animals very rarely and not torturing them for profit/production. They are not eating meat in excess for pleasure only as in the West. Going vegan is only possible if you have access to legumes, B12, and not scraping by starvation. When this isn't the case, that is when it is unnecessary harm and thus unethical. My source that indicates third world countries experience malnourishment: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180662/#:~:text=Apart%20from%20marasmus%20and%20kwashiorkor,unites%20into%20a%20vicious%20circle.
@@peterhagtharp4263 Can you answer me this question?
What is the point in citing this study here? I said animal farming is expensive compared to plants and you cite a malnutrition study. But anyways, As the paper you cited states, agriculture needs to be improved in that specific areas to feed them. May be plant agriculture might be cheaper.
Also, go through this link, it talks about animal agriculture and world hunger. It might answer your above comment if I understand your comment correctly. www.forksoverknives.com/wellness/animal-agriculture-hunger-and-how-to-feed-a-growing-global-population-part-one-of-two/ .
How do you maintain your respectful demeanor in the face of such illogical questioning, Ed?!?!?! You are an amazing man!
Lol the part when he’s like well you care about fetuses but then when they are born you give no support for them, she changed the topic real quick.
it was within milliseconds xD
She wasn’t listening, she was waiting him to stop talking so she could answer in a judgmental and dumb way, what a terrible interviewer
It's infowars. You can't expect anything positive from their reporters
She had no chance lol....
I can't stand how she interrupts him so much. He's one patient dude to allow someone like her to constantly interrupt him. Like, set some ground rules and let one person finish speaking. If you have something you want to address, find a way to memorize it first.
This was a great interview and debate
@Aline she's paid for winning points she presents, so clips of those can be used later, so by interrupting she doesn't let him finish disproving her points and adds new points favoring her arguments.
Ironically, it is the vegan doing all the 'slaughtering' in this discussion. And he does it calmly and respectfully.
What do you mean?
@@MoxxMix I mean that the intelligent, knowledgeable and articulate vegan 'slaughtered' the poorly formed arguments of the woman debating him.
@@nickssmirkingrevenge I think that using 'slaughtering' as metaphor for anything that vegan is doing is not way to go.
@@MoxxMix What do you mean? I would assert that it is the way to go for people with an appreciation of ironic humour. Of course, it is always possible to find people who routinely misinterpret humour. For instance, the Fawlty Towers episode satirising Basil Fawlty's xenophobia towards his German guests has recently been misinterpreted by a dim few as promoting xenophobia.
How can you say it's a discussion when he's talking so fast he can't take a breath.
This is a prime example of a one way conversation, she’s not really listening then responding she’s just waiting regardless of what’s said and then responding with something she’s rehearsed.
The patience he has to not push her in front of the cars...amazing
😂
That wouldn' be vegan.
@@martinstoelting2707 that makes sense
She’s not even listening to him
Josilyn C. No, she just keeps saying the same thing over and over. Out of her element, she’s probably used to talking to dairy farmers
It's easy to tell the way he has to keep repeating himself over and over. She's embarrassing herself 😂
@Richard Walker It's not bad actually. But elitist idiots like this make vegans look bad.
Richard Walker no, he’s saying the exact opposite. Change the system because it currently IS in the interest of a few. A large portion of the worlds human population is starving while countless resources are wasted in the process of cruelly slaughtering animals and cutting corners to bring large corporations (not the regular population) money with the meat industry.
Not to mention total animal population far outnumberes humans, so it literally WOULD be in the best interest for all “animals” on this planet if humans cut down their meat consumption.
Richard Walker a lot of people find it very rewarding. It’s important to keep an open mind to truly understand. Kindness and compassion don’t suck for the being receiving it, nor does it “suck” for the person giving it.
"Do you think that a benevolent and compassionate God would be happy with us killing his animals if we didn't have to?" - I think he understood more about her religion than she did
Not really. If you are gonna use that argument the book of Genesis debunks that when God says that animals were put on this earth to serve us. I wouldn’t use that argument as a vegan. I would go with everything else. In the book, we are allowed to eat animals. That’s what they were put here for according to the Bible. However, it does encourage us to realize that you shouldn’t needlessly harm animals. If you absolutely don’t need animals then there is no reason to kill one for food , if you can avoid it. In this case, I would say yes. The world can, absolutely, cut their use of meat and fish down. It would be a good idea too because it would conserve a lot of resources. There is also a verse in the Bible that tells us to remember that just like animals we leave this earth the same way, so never tell yourself that you are better than them. So, it does say that animals are here to serve us, but it also encourages us not to take advantage. You know what I mean?
@@vivianagamboa2626 Well, doesn't the Bible say that a woman should serve a man and submit to him too? It's pretty much saying that a woman belongs to a man.
@@vivianagamboa2626 Uhm no. Pretty sure in the book of Genesis, it states that the animals will serve as sustenance when God flooded the whole earth because Noah and the others didn't have access to the crops of the earth. Now that the flood is over I'm pretty sure God would appreciate not killing his creations for selfish reasons when we can easily become vegan/vegetarian like Adam and Eve originally were.
@@vivianagamboa2626 The Bible also says that someguy put trillions of animals on a small ship
@@richardb4796
Ecclesiastes 3:19
for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.”
Genesis 9:3
Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you.
Leviticus 11:9
This is what you may eat of everything in the waters: Anything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, it you may eat. But anything in the seas and in the rivers that has no fins and scales, among all the swarming creatures and of every other living creature that is in the waters, it is a loathsome thing for you.
Romans 14: 1-4
Welcome the man having weaknesses in his faith, but do not pass judgment on differing opinions. One man has faith to eat everything, but the man who is weak eats only vegetables. Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to judge the servant of another?
Dude with the glasses and blue shirt had the best reactions lmao. They were so subtle yet so obvious and it was so great.
I agree! I just recently started binging Benny the Vegan and I was like...wait. That's him!!! 😅
It was amazing how many times she raised points that Ed had already clearly addressed. She was so focused on her agenda she didn't seem to listen to most of what Ed was saying.
”Are you the leader?”
”Im not but I can do an interview if you want”
Classss
Did she actually bring up dinosaurs? Different time period, different species of plants and fauna.
Notice how she gets owned on every subject and just moves onto a new one.
Like climate change deniers. Same tactic. Also repeating claims that have already been countered.
And there were no fabrics containing hundreds of Triceratopses in the smallest area spread around the whole world.
Funny how she said anything about dinosaurs while being a creationist 😂
Notice how she didnt get angry and they both had a proper debate. Notice how she hears what he says, allows him to talk and doesnt get stuck on one point.
@@callumhill3758 No, she hears his answer has nothing to come back against it with, so quickly moves on trying to find another point to disprove him on.
It's amazing that when it comes to meat consumption there's suddenly a care about what Native Americans did but in the same breath she said this country was founded by Christians and hence we must follow the Christian moral code?!?
Loved the part where she proceed to talk about abortion and how morally wrong it is as a Christian, but find it humane to kill prisoners in death rows..
Hypocritical/10
Yeah I'm at a point in which I wonder why I should respect religous people who actually believe in those fairy tales
Get this man into politics! He makes so much more sense than 90% of the politicians in the world!
So agree.
Absolutely no! Never. Activists must NOT be politicians. A politician must lie or overlook things in order to get elected. But an activist can always and freely tell the truth of facts. Gary strongly agreed on that.
Puppets **
No activists are biased
@@blackmarlin3166 Activists make a change.
I’m surprised he didn’t charge her a dime after giving her 40 minutes of free education.
She owned him. He had nothing but virtue signal and propaganda.
Ah hell nah! He is spreading awareness as an advocate and she is offer an large platform from the right. Basically quid pro quo!
@@badboy95ca exposes vegan desperation and stupidity to a wider audience and more people become aware of how dishonest vegans are.
Settlers have no moral or humanistic platform on which they can stand on unless they categorically denounce settler colonialism.
Settler colonialism is the root cause of all the social problems and of all the human, environemental and animal suffering around the world because it is they who have imposed their retrograde concepts, ideologies and their barbaric toxic model of civilization upon all the earth cultures through colonialism genocide and terrorism
There can never be any justice for anyone until there is justice for indigenous people!
The denouncement of settler colonialism is the only true moral and humanistic platform. Anything else is still white supremacy, neocoloniliasm and genocide against non-europeans
@@evilsbrother8247 Trolling or cognitive dissonance?
Three years later and this the video that turned me vegan overnight.
Thank you Earthling Ed❗🌱💚
I'm totally in awe of Ed, he's calm, hugely intelligent, compassionate....and maintains his cool in the face of staggering arrogance and inability to accept we HAVE to change, the current situation is unsustainable. This woman hardly stops to take a breath!. Infuriating 🤬
I love how she just bounces between dozens of distinct arguments against veganism and just moves from one to the other as he shuts each one down. Absolutely beautiful to see hahaha
This is mostly what InfoWars do. I think some of the people commenting here are mistakenly assuming that "she" is doing that, that "she" is maniputalive, or "she" is shifting from topics because "she" cant argue the points. Its not just that, its cause its InfoWars that's what they are *trained* to do. They try to overwhelm the person with so many question, jumping from one topic to another, until they can do the "gotcha" moment, because the majority of people (even if they are right on their beliefs) are not preapred to deal with such an approach and they can make those people look stupid to disbelief their cause. That's why they eventually delete this type of videos from their pages/channels, cause it doesn't suit their agenda.
@@MikaelLima2210 thank yu for this! I was about to pass an hatred comment on her b4 reading this
She not listening to his answers - she's got so many questions to remember she has them on repeat going through her head so as not to forget. I'm kind of impressed she didn't need them written down.
@@MikaelLima2210 Exactly! But unfortunately for them, their propaganda lessons failed infront the Titan Ed!
"BUT WHAT ABOUT TRIBES"
It annoys me how Ed let her finish talking but she doesn’t let him finish.
I was getting so much anxiety watching her talk over him!
haha but i thought you guys believed in "patriachy" and were against "mansplaining"
She let him finish talking... She just didn't let him finish interrupting her... Big difference...
Yeah me too, but I appreciated it.
Mark Wildt actually she was in control of the mic, and point it to him when it was his time to talk. That’s not interruption. She would pull it away from him while he was talking, which is rude af.
I have to admit, I was a vegan hater and a hardcore conservative. I lost some of my friends due to my violent perspective and conservatism-driven hatred for those people who want to change the "status quo". Until I learned through experience and not through Ben Shapiro's opinions that animals really have consciousness, emotions, and feelings. They really have and science also tells that they do have. They can feel fear, anxiety, and helplessness- similar to what I just recently experienced. Maybe some of you will laugh at me but I can relate to these animals who are always subjected to cruelty and abuse. I know the feeling of being hopeless and helpless- that no matter how weak and melancholic you already look, no one is there to listen to you, to save you, and to help you. I know the feeling, and animals do also feel those. They may not be able to speak the human language, but they are conscious and have emotions. Thank you for letting me share this and to those who think that I am ridiculous, god forbid you won't experience all the things that I experienced and witnessed that pushed me to change my overall perspective in life.
How would there be fertilizer if there were no manure?
They have shown, one year of leaving the crop waste on the land, mulching, is as good as manure.
"When done correctly, mulching returns about 4% nitrogen, 2% potassium, and 1% phosphorus. Those are the same three nutrients contained in virtually every fertilizer."
Leaving the plant waste on the ground, mulching.
"It was also noted that straw mulching increased soil moisture content and nutrient storage
in the maize-wheat cropping system in the northwestern regions of India, and thus enhanced the soil
fertility and crop productivity (Sharma et al. 2010)."
"addition of Pueraria residues to the soil increased maize yield by 37% with burning or by 47% with mulching (Kolawole et al. 2004)."
"you can't compassionately kill someone if it's unnecessary"
Couldn't agree more. 💜 You are amazing.
Absolutely spot on! "you can't compassionately kill someone if it's unnecessary!" that would be the difference between euthanasia and murder.
Referring to animal slaughter as 'murder' @Morrisey! is giving animals equivalent-to-human status, which i'm not prepared to do. The musician aka Buckethead protests the 'holocaust 'of chickens at KFC. Again, an over-sensitive soul, prone to category mistakes.
And on top of that, they do not want you to kill them.
@@veetour no shit Sherlock. Do you honestly believe that the Zebra wants the Lion to kill it. It’s called the food chain, mate, and we’re on the top. Vegans really ignore how much we benefit from meats.
@@sandman5973 What benefits from meat that you can’t get from non meat? Seems like you get more negative health outcomes from meat.
you cant passionately kill someone, but in some cultures you can passionaletly kill something, depends on where you place other living things (including plants) in relation to your own species.
Info wars lady: "we're not animals, we're 'conscious beings'"
also info wars lady: constantly compares humans to other animals like lions lmao
Fun fact, cows are actually plants.
@@fdsamatt5763 that's y they have eyes, ears, nose, skin, mouth like us.
@@nay.sen20 exactly!!
You're telling me you've never noticed the beautiful eyes on a tree?
@@TylerTheObserver nope
@@TylerTheObserver Wow, you are so funny... -_-
I'm a vegan since my childhood and i was very sensitive towards animals. one day my friend asked me why I don't eat meat as your family members are non vegetarians. I simply said because I love animals that's why I can't eat them as i love my parents and i will never hurt them in anyway. Being vegan i feel myself more human.
Such a patient and respectful vegan activist.
"oh you're climate skeptics also..." *moment he realizes hes dealing with trolls.*
I laughed out loud during that part of the conversation😂
Oh, aren't trolls cute.
At what minute is it? I didn't hear that
@@pedroloto lol sure you diddnt ur leftist mind was too busy thinking about how to kill ore plants
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080 I'm not vegan
She wasn’t expecting to come up to an expert and someone who is so patient and knowledgeable.
But knowledgeable enough to see the difference between a human baby and a 3 year old pig he was actually lectured in that part
@@blackmarlin3166 You got that backwards. Science says that a pig is at the very least as intelligent as a three year old human. And he said that if she values the life of a featus based on its possible sentience and intelligence, she should value the pigs more (based on her logic).
@@chrisp9454 First of all, biology taught us that organisms have different rate of growth and development, a 3 year old human is not the same stage of development as a 3 year old pig. 3 years in pigs is equivalent to 26 years in humans. And the comparison is way too convenient i can assure you a baby einstein is as dumb as a rock so lets just compare him to a pig while we get the chance.
I would also like to see the study regarding this but i saw an experiment between a pig and a human child where they try to do nonsense tasks like rolling a ball and picking food from a bowl which doesn't prove any undisputable edge in intelligence additionally the pig used was well-trained and hand-picked for the experiment. The tasks were also handpicked where it's within the realm of the pig's capability, let's see what happens when they try do other tasks. My 2 year old niece can recognize all the alphabets, all the numbers, colors, she understands simple emotions, she can communicate and listen. Don't believe any studies if there's no consensus among scientists because this particular experiment i mentioned is flawed and don't believe that a pig can be atleast as smart as a 3 year old human.
@@blackmarlin3166 You are obsessed. Don't you have something better to do instead of wasting your time saying bullshit? What is the difference between a human baby and a pig according to you? What makes it ok to kill pigs but not babies?
@@chrisp9454You're right though you can't say that embryos and fetuses are sentient and intelligent.
The switch from "Doesn't a grain diet cause all these health problems?" to "well there are conflicting studies so let's move on" demonstrates such a level of dishonesty it hurts; she wasn't trying to ask questions, she was trying to trip him and call him out.
When she brought up a study, Ed asked where it came from. When Ed brought up a study, she said he was wrong or ignored the point entirely. Please, have actual conversations.
I have been a vegan since a child & I RARELY eat tropical fruits because I shop consciously.I have been a vegan for over 30 years +
the amount of times ed is dropping knowledge and she rips the microphone away to completely interrupt his point without ever really hearing it in the first place is so frustrating. i don't know how you stayed so patient man, it must be all the papayas.
Highly infuriating lol
I think she forgets that omnivores ALSO eat bananas, avocado, quinoa, etc. She lists these as if they are exclusively foods made for vegans..
ya and that the meat industry is "globalism" as well
I had to just write a comment as soon as she started talking about cain and abel from the bible. It absolutely baffles me how people read a book from thousands of years ago and live their entire lives by the rules of an ancient book for which there is literally ZERO evidence of those things ever having even happened.
People gaslight vegans in nearly every single debate I've ever seen and its out of complete ignorance and an unwillingness to change their views. Its like no matter how articulate someone is, if someone doesn't want to listen they just won't.
Notice how she couldn’t wouldn’t counter any of his points just asked new questions never evaluated his response cause it’s perfect
Kieron Lampard she’s a reporter. They ask questions
The video says it's a debate but it's not
Thats cause she basically never listened to a word he said. She was spending that time thinking about what she'd say next :\ Shes very rude and not as educated on the topic as she believes she is.
Jacob Yohe clearly she is has her own agenda. Not an impartial reporter
Genesis 1:26-27
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Mathew 6:26 “Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your Heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?”
I support the lady. Plain and simple. 🤷🏽♂️🐄
"I've done a lot of research on veganism"
THE AUDACITY 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah she researched that Broccoli is actually good and thats about it
the only research that woman has ever done is on hair coloring products and breast implants....ah yes, also rousing white nationalist sentiments
"when you do a farm agriculturally". This woman thinks that because shes talking loud and fast that shes an intelligent human being, when in fact shes totally inarticulate and some of her questions didn't even make sense. I love this man. He sounds so bored when listening to her but answers all of her ridiculous questions and claims so calmly. MPs in this country need to take note on his debate style. Absolute genius.
With regard to her comment on fertalizer she seems to be ignoring aeroponics and hydroponics that are able to be used without fertilizer entirely. Instead you use liquid nutrient mixes. This also solves the land problem she kept bringing up. Evolving the farming industry so that it adopts vertical farming practices can increase yield, nutrient density, and reduce space while also eradicating the use of fertilizer. This also addresses her comments on seasonality and the small animals killed in prepping the ground.
She's trying too hard. He's actually being very kind & respectful.
She's way smarter than the ed.
Very! His patience and respect is immeasurable. He always knows the right words to say. His knowledge and intellect is truly aspiring.
@@Savisoundman1 How so? Ed defended every attack she came with and hit harder back.
The God is good you are just being ridiculous because you like to eat animal corpses. Nothing about killing and eating flesh of an innocent is normal or the act of a kind person. She is promoting animal abuse, and she couldn’t even make valid points. Do you think it’s ok to starve your fellow man so you could eat more then your fair share. Cornell released a study saying if we just stopped breeding cows for slaughter we would more then double our food supply. Why do you think it’s smart or ethical to starve 18,000 kids that will die of starvation just today?
@@Savisoundman1 if you want to troll at least be somewhat decent at it, bud.
This girl is all over the place with her arguments. She's just so absolutely desperate to continue eating meat without any guilt.
She has some valid arguments against Veganism though
@@giannisxalkis1965 No she doesn't. You obviously did not watch the video! Tsk...tsk...tsk...
@@buyerofsorts well plant farming kills animals and he accepted that
@@giannisxalkis1965 But that is not a valid argument against Veganism. Had you watched the video, you would understand but you didn't.
@@buyerofsorts yes it is in some cases we don't feed fish plants
As a huge fan of InfoWars, since 2009, I have absolutely no problem pointing out that Milly Weaver got her ass completely handed to her by Ed Winters.
Ed, your ability to field questions from the ignorant carnivore wannabes and come up with clear, concise, logical, and well thought out answers seemingly instantaneously and deliver it very quickly which allows you to get more of your message across before they/she interrupts, put you in a class well above the rest. You are a great spokesman for the vegan community.
I wonder if Ed ever just goes into a soundproof room and screams FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!
lmao
Ideally with a punch bag in it so he can let out his ange and frustration by screaming and punching. Id love to have that opportunity lol
😂 gosh he has patience. She was listening, talking about the same things over and over. Cutting him and not letting him talk. Like shhhhhhh and listen. Lol
Thanks for the laugh! :)
lmaooooo best comment
She talks about Globalism like meat eaters don't eat anything from other countries. Meat eaters also eat bananas, avocados and quinoa.
Mighty suspect. When any of these infowars goons talk about globalism, they invariably mean "the jews". Forget veganism, she makes me want to go cannibal and grind them all up into hot dogs just so I could rid the world of their cancer. .
@@tijuanaforeplay8232 Hahaha
Yeah. And meat is massively internationally distributed. She’s a moron.
Have you any idea what is going on with the avocado. Drought and death trying to produce this plant and they still can not keep up with the demand .its extremely hard to grow and they takes a unbelievable amount of water to grow hence the droughts and human beings are dying to produce avocados
@@shanemccormack8603 look into the production of animals. I'm sure you'll find it way more concerning than avocados.
Watched 34 minutes of this to hear her say humans aren't animals. 🤦
The circles she goes in are painful to listen to, she never admits any points that are shown to be wrong and yet Ed is polite and patient always.
I think Ed explained to her about a gazillion times that it takes 16 kg of plants to make 1 kg of meat. Yet she still thinks we need more land to grow crops if everyone adopted a vegan diet. *face palm*
And then they produce kgs of fertilizer and kgs upon kgs of milk and kgs of other materials for things we use every day.
@@Ethan-ck6iz The whole point is that we don't need milk or "other materials" produced from cows. It's unhealthy, cruel and wasteful to continue to demand these products. Do you really think that all the waste that livestock produces is used for fertilizer? Are you aware of all the lagoons of waste that these animals produce? Are you aware that these lagoons overflow and contaminate our water? Or that people have fallen into them and died? There is more poop than we know what to do with. In some states, in order to get rid of all the poop, it is misted into the air causing all the nearby residents to have serious health problems like cancer and respiratory problems.
Why is is wasteful if we consume it? Can't just keep planting soybeans over and over again to make substitutes. Everybody in my family drank lots of milk when they were little and never broke anything... Except for my little brother who didn't and he broke an arm by tripping over a sandbox. A sandbox! And I took a beating when I was little. I fell down through a hole in a barn to the ground floor And yes, I am aware of the waste these animals produce. I work on a dairy farm here in Ontario every day. And also, I have never seen or heard of a lagoon overflowing. And before you say it, in my area, it is law for the lagoons to have a cement "casing" And yes, we use all of the manure, plus other fertilizer. Every year we suck the pit completely dry and spread all of the manure without issue. The only manure lagoon/pit that I've ever heard overflow is a sewage pit. Toilet paper and all. But I'm sure you'll still cowardly blame the problem on people you don't have to talk to. Anybody who falls into the pit is doing something wrong. There's a fence around all of them in my area. I have never heard of the manure being misted into the air. Sounds like a waste. And I do know lots and lots of people in my rural area and not one complains about the smell. Not one falls ill because of the smell. I live right next to multiple farms; turkey, pig, dairy, you name it. And I never smell anything. Nobody does. It is not a problem.
It’s wasteful because IT TAKES 16 KG OF PLANTS TO MAKE 1 KG OF MEAT. Seriously, how many times does that need to be said for people to understand it? 16 kg of plants can feed more people for a longer period of time than 1 kg of meat can. You realize that over 90% of the soybeans currently grown are fed to cattle, right? That means less than 10% of those crops are used to feed human beings. We’re already planting tons of soybeans to feed cattle; why can’t we use it to make substitutes? And who said all we needed was soybean substitutes anyway? So you think that because your family members drank milk and never broke any bones means that milk is healthy for you? There are tons of chain smokers out in the world that live to be 80+ years old. Does that mean chain smoking is healthy? Your way of thinking is antiquated. Research a scientific paper for crying out loud! There is no evidence that dairy is good for bone strength. In fact, it’s the opposite! You are living in a bubble if you think that because you haven’t heard of something, it can’t be true. While there very well may be laws in your area to contain lagoons, that doesn’t mean those laws exist elsewhere. Have you heard of the hog industry in North Carolina? Billions of gallons of waste is produced annually and when their cesspool lagoons reach capacity, the poop is sprayed into the atmosphere 200 feet away from people’s homes. Just because lagoons aren’t a problem for you, doesn’t mean they are not a problem for people across the country. Do you read the news? All of North Carolina’s manure lagoons are currently overflowing after Hurricane Florence, which will bring in a host of health problems for the people. If most of the population were vegan, this wouldn’t be a problem. Get online and Google some scientific papers, man. Educate yourself!
So what scientific paper did you read to find out that it takes 16kg of plants to create 1kg of meat? And yes, we could create substitutes with the soybeans but the problem is you cannot just keep growing soybeans over and over again. You have to rotate crops. In my area it's primarily alternating soybeans and corn, and sometimes wheat. I do not think that people could eat enough corn. Another issue is that farmers would have to purchase another extremely expensive piece of machinery, known as the sweet corn harvester.... There are two types of corn. There is the corn which is fed to the cows and it is hard... Proper corn, and then there is sweet corn which is chewable. This part I'm unsure about, because I was looking online to convert everything and find statistics and stuff. But here I go. One cow produces around 21 tons of manure per year, which dramatically helps the growth of the crops they eat. A Dairy cow can eat around 18 tons of feed per year. they also produce around 10 tons of milk per year. And ontop of that, the meat. So is there really an issue?
North Carolina is one out of 50 states. You know how close manure is spread to my home? 40 feet. And there is no problem! Of course North Carolina's lagoons are overflowing... because of a hurricane. Nothing you can do about that. I'm sure it happened to every sewage treatment plant nearby too.
Did someone count how many times he had to explain that vegan diet needs less resourses to be produced?
Yes the same as many times he avoided talking about vegan globalization that's because his argument is only applicable in the US and other developed countries where's there's no scarcity in land, resources and transportation of massive amount of crops locally or overseas. He was held helpless when she brought up africa which is a generic thing to do but still true anyway you can't teach veganism in developing countries with naturally bad agriculture. That's the reason why he keeps avoiding this.
@@blackmarlin3166 Correct about global agriculture. And he doesn't even understand how to devise his gradual system to do so. Nor knows the economic impact it would have.
I took a shot each time. I can thank the nearest hospital
@@blackmarlin3166 Vegan globalization is not a thing. Capitalism has created globalization not veganism. Also meat industries depend on globalization too. Nevermind that you can totally eat local fruits and veggies. You're dumb af.
@@blackmarlin3166 He was not helpless at any point. He was 100% sure as he has heard these argument a million times like all of us vegans have. Literally nothing she said is something he hasn't heard before. Veganism focuses mainly on needless animal exploitations in the West. There are no horrible meat and diary industries in Africa, and Africa has the least contribution to climate change and other types of earth destruction. People in Africa also don't eat meat as much as you think. It's a luxury many can't afford.
I always found vegan people have more calmer mind than meat eater. They have great clarity. Good food definitely bring goods clarity and calmer mind. Now i found out . Vegan is the necessary future .
She just kept going round in circles, citing other cultures and historic practices. All her points were completely irrelevant. Does she, as a citizen of Ohio in the current day, have to eat meat to be healthy? No.
She debates like a drunk person, repeating herself and her disproved claims again and again. I couldn't be that gentle and insightful like he is, chapeau
I LITERALLY STARTED ANSWERING WHAT SHE WAS ASKING BY SAYING EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID LMAO
It genuinely got me like fired up a bit because it’s like how aren’t you understanding what he’s saying?🤣
@@capbag9369 I agree with you I just finished listening to this for the third time I think, the first being when it came out I think two years ago or so, it was clearly in the summer so probably summer of 19. There is one thing I can give her that most people of her ilk do not possess is her own ability not to raise her voice, not to let emotionality take over and she lets him finish talking more than you would expect although she does interrupt. But I did notice more than not both parties wait to speak until they hear the period/full stop from the other person.
The obvious thing she does that is so frustrating is that no matter how he responds to her question her next questions never reflect that or rarely reflect what he has actually answered prior. It's like she's got a list memorized in her head of questions or points to bring up and it's like she's got to stay true to it or die, lol. You have to tailor, if you are the interviewer, your subsequent Q's, really do need to reflect the A's you've been given in the moment, and hers rarely do
And I think it's gotten better, most anti-vegans even if they're fundamentalist right-wing 'Christians', anti-globalism (at least she's not anti-globe, LOL) interviewing or in a debate with a vegan, no longer tend to bring up abortion. They seem to have realized that this is an exclusively human matter, and has absolutely less than nothing to do with animal liberation and being anti animal use and abuse, exploitation and slaughter industries.
I don't think so. Both sides had some valid arguments.
@@singularity6761 nah, watch it again she kept going back to points he already explained and debunked to back up her arguments
That dairy brane 🧠
This is one of the few people that talk to Info Wars without getting angry. Very Productive conversation.
Except that every time he countered her arguments constructively and started making sense to her, she would back out and try another angle... only for him to quickly refute that, and the cycle continued........
@@williamackerson_chemist it was an interview, not a debate, that is really good journalism by her. she is there to ask questions..
@Aliya Bhatti yeah but he actually had valid points and millie sounds like a broken record. This is what happens when someone spends time arguing with liberal sjws, they start to act like them.
Because Ed just considers it another platform to get his word out. All she is doing is giving him all the ammo he needs to change people's minds about contributing to the death cycle of animals exploitation. 45 minutes of it! Thanks, InfoWars!
When I was young, my parents said to not yell or cuss because those are signs of lack of intelligence. You look at most of Millie's videos and the lefties are nothing but yelling/cussing. This guy is very smart, knowledgable, and educated; he did not get emotional or cuss a single time. My parents are right.
Oh Ed, what a wonderful advert for your latest book. She gave you an opportunity to argue and rebuff every single argument against veganism with your typically patient, calm approach. What a great advert. I hope this interview boosts your book sales! Keep on doing what you do so well. It must get pretty tedious... but it IS working
Ed is so patient. Far more patient with her than I could have been considering her body language and inability to listen!
My guy in the blue button up is having one hell of a time listening to this debate.
32:30
Hhahaha Yeah. He is having a great time :D
Lolololol thank you for pointing that out
🤣😂🤣
I am not a vegan but Ed did won this debate but I still am not becoming a vegan, no way!!!
Why is no one talking about how unproffesional this interviewer was. She didn't let Ed interrupt (which, he tried not to most of the time) but when Ed was making a good point against what she was saying, she interrupted him more than a few times. This is why Ed had to, the few times he did, interrupt to speak and educate.
When debating with someone, its only to fair to not inturupt what the other party is saying.
Another thing is the interviewer was just trying to 'win' the debate, where Ed was actually trying to educate her and the viewers.
It's Infowars, everyone knows what to expect.
You just said he interrupted her? Your a Hippocrate
@@caleblebeau3301 "hypocrate" nice one. And he def did interupt, but it was justified so who cares.
Naomi, of course she is unprofessional, she is from infowars. Ironically, they are the very epitomy of fake news.
I love to come back to this every now and then... best video ive ever seen
I just love the way you lead the conversation. Gratz dude, you are definitely an inspiration
You made her look like an absolute fool for 40 minutes without once faltering. Your middle name must be "Blueprint". I'm actually in awe.
I am assuming you are a biased vegan. I am not vegan and I claim the win for her.
If a vegan debates a non-vegan, the vegan can only win if the non-vegan admits that veganism is the best way to live and that they will transition to veganism immediately.
Daniel Hobgen
Many meat eaters claim things without backing up their claim in the least, so to separate yourself from them, why don't you tell me in detail why you claim the win for Millie?
Nice way to make up your own unattainable definition of victory, BTW. That technique must make you right quite often in life.
Daniel Hobgen so this means you’re a biased carnivore right? And it also means that neither person won the argument, considering this man didn’t start eating meat again after the debate.
Okay.
3:57 wrong. Never heard of cows eating import grain. 4:50 thumbs up for the piece of shit ricer civic. 5:25 wrong. The grass is harvested. Look up "haylage" and also grass can be harvested 3+ times per year. Also, they can eat the entire corn plant. 6:25 wrong. The feed for livestock is so much easier and less sensitive to grow. 7:42 wrong. There's people right here on youtube who do water tests in streams that are just "down the road" from a cow pasture and the water is actually safer to drink than bottled water. Also, the alternatives are more expensive. 14:38 wrong. There's a lot of cash crop farmers in America and you don't see anything else being grown, do you? Well maybe down south, but up north... It is not possible for most livestock farms to turn a profit off of just grain. If it was, everybody would be doing it because it is overall less effort than livestock. 16:44 Show me a group of people who have been vegan for hundreds of years, like we eat meat. Show me a 4th generation vegan. This is all the time I have at the moment, can't make it through the video.
@@danielhobgen6146 I'm not a vegan nor a vegetarian just got linked to here from reddit. He absolutely wiped the floor with her mate.
I've never seen someone get talked over so much and remain so chill. Respect.
defz this guy is a saint..
Massive respect to the guy
Practice practice practice
i love so much how you handle these conversations and it’s always so educating for me and helps me make my arguments for veganism! Thank you Ed!!
Thank you for this video Ed. Her intelligence/education inspired me to make a contribution to Ed's organization halfway through this video to ensure these conversations continue and keep happening (ESPECIALLY in America). Resuming the video and hearing this amazing conversation/education happened so very close to my home made me even happier to have made a contribution. Keep up the good work Ed!
Sad thing is, I don't think any of it got through her thick head
Imagine constantly raising "gotcha" points, constantly getting reasonable answers and counter-points, and not changing your attitude over the span of 41 minutes. It truly baffles me to see someone so stubborn. Good job speaking with her, I don't have the composure or patience.
it takes a special kind of person and a special kind of brain worms to be a conservative. They’re extremely emotional and their arguments are based on sentimentality, tradition and expectation rather than on reality or logic. It’s so frustrating to deal with. No amount of genuine facts, or rational arguments will ever get through to most of them. They believe what they believe because they want to and it’s more convenient than second guessing their whole life. I just wish more of them were honest about it like: « I know it’s wrong and I know it’s stupid but I believe it anyways »
In her situation, it seems to just boil down to religious stubbornness as you can see by the end where she completely derails the argument to a different direction and brings up religion and abortion
@@andreja9425 This phenomenon is not at all exclusive to a political party - liberals often do the same as well. It all boils down to the kind of person (intelligence and open-mindedness) you are, and whether or not you are willing to change. Oftentimes, people of either political party are simply to embarassed to admit that the ideology to which the subscribed themselves to is flawed.
@@andreja9425 Perfect example - you can literally scroll down a few comments and find a conservative who admitted to following the infowars channel who was just convinced to become vegan after watching this video! That's a phenomenal thing, and I'm proud of his open-mindedness.
@Kat To a degree yes, but also not really. The conservative framework for viewing the world has not really changed much in the past 60+ years. They still don’t really accept gay people or ESPECIALLY trans people for example while liberals have evolved a lot when it comes to identity politics and culture war issues. Liberals are much more able to adapt with the times in many regards and address emergent issues as they come, whereas conservatives are stuck in the 1950’s in terms of their ideals. I’ll agree that libs are pretty dogmatically pro capitalist even though they know it’s flawed, they think it just needs to be reeled in a little bit and aren’t usually willing to challenge their preconceptions there but overall they tend to be much more open minded. I think with politics it’s good to be like a scientist. You have to do research and come up with hypothesis and test these against other ideas to kind of figure out the best path. Most leftists were not born that way like conservatives are. Most were born into pretty status quo households but it took lots of education and deprogramming to move onto pursuing more ethical frameworks and systems. Once you get to a certain point you have to be able to assert why your ideology is better, without turning so dogmatic that you blind yourself to the faults/bad ideas of some of the worst aspects of your own community. Many people take up politics as an extension of identity or religious thinking. It becomes tribalistic or college/sports like, when it should just be pursuit of that which provides the maximum amount of good and human happiness regardless of your previous biases
Every time he wins an argument point she interrupts him with a new point that she loses again she’s so rude and interrupts him.
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First of all she interrupted him in some occasions but that's only because it's her interview and she's in control you can look up all of Ed's video where he keeps interrupting all the people he's interviewing as well. Secondly, this is actually the most flustered I've ever seen Ed because she brought so many solid points like the fertilizer and it's true plant compost are aided by animal products and he was struggling to argue with it. She also made undeniable arguments about the unreality of veganism because consuming plants have direct effects to animals and Ed can only agree with it. The point here is that there is no such thing as real veganism, plants and animals are interlinked to each other you can't say you're avoiding animal products or you're not affecting animal life in general just because you're consuming solely plant products because it's impossible.
@@blackmarlin3166 you can invalidate veganism all you want, but the fact is that killing animals needlessly destroys the planet and the lives of animals.
@@abigailpope4306 You're only saying that because it's very convenient to you right now. Veganism is a new idea you wouldn't be here making these senseless statements today if your ancestors didn't hunt and kill animals. And can you blame tribes in sub sahara africa eating bushmeat or people of nepal feeding on dairy products or polynesians surviving on aquatic life when it's all they got? Again it's convenient for you because costco is one drive away in whatever devepeloped country you're at and you can always choose whatever you want to eat because it's only a matter of living for you and not surviving.
@@blackmarlin3166 Our society is changing and developing rapidly, and we no longer need to do what our ancestors have.
According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary, "humane" is "marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals".