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  • @ed.winters
    @ed.winters  3 года назад +473

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    • @andrewx9850
      @andrewx9850 3 года назад +1

      L

    • @thomasfuller9984
      @thomasfuller9984 3 года назад +9

      No thanks virgin god put cows on earth to eat not how to eat them

    • @aigeee
      @aigeee 3 года назад +2

      bruh.. ok

    • @cockroachv
      @cockroachv 3 года назад +7

      I understand your choice. My choice is that if its not human you're allowed to put it in your mouth.

    • @elenajanikova2370
      @elenajanikova2370 3 года назад +7

      I do not participate with weakness.

  • @chabumba3294
    @chabumba3294 4 года назад +18217

    Both sides are intelligent, this is how a debate should be.

    • @HelenaChar
      @HelenaChar 4 года назад +263

      Jacob Breath couldn’t agree more, obvs am with Ed but both very informed and considered arguments. 10/10 debate

    • @vulturnuszan
      @vulturnuszan 4 года назад +296

      I disagree, he's articulate but in my opinion not intelligent.

    • @JasonWilliams89
      @JasonWilliams89 4 года назад +363

      He might be educated, but definitely not intelligent. Source - 19:50

    • @Samueljohnhorne1984
      @Samueljohnhorne1984 4 года назад +1

      I totally agree

    • @andresalcaino7570
      @andresalcaino7570 4 года назад +284

      "That doesn't matter because we will be gone in 1 trillion years." That argument was so stupid, he is justifying practically every atrocity that happened, is happening and will happen in the world

  • @ADCArtAttack
    @ADCArtAttack 4 года назад +5999

    "Can I make a point"...... "yes, of course you can".
    THIS is how humans should discuss these topics!!

    • @woosh_police4018
      @woosh_police4018 4 года назад +30

      @Szilard Molnar yes I've noticed that with Steven. Even tho I agree with some of his views there was this "change my mind" episode where they discussed socialism. The other guy had great arguments and made me reconsider socialism, but Steven ran out of them and just started going about how the kid made a comment with the word "autistic" and just stopped the discussion. You can find the video on RUclips I think. But that showed how he didn't want his mind changed, but to just "shove his opinion in the other guys throat".

    • @ADCArtAttack
      @ADCArtAttack 4 года назад +7

      @@thesadanimations I float about the web sometimes :) thank you!

    • @Saronite
      @Saronite 4 года назад +4

      Actually he cut him off there which is not how a debate works
      You cant make a point until the other one is done making his point

    • @lastnamefirstname5295
      @lastnamefirstname5295 4 года назад +11

      It's not as entertaining as two equally braindead angry people violently verbally going at each other though

    • @ghgdtgzxfg6960
      @ghgdtgzxfg6960 4 года назад +5

      welcome to britain

  • @susannadanner906
    @susannadanner906 Год назад +309

    "I haven't seen a flying cow"
    "Well you haven't gone to space either"
    Ed I love you, that was pure gold

    • @Christian-qm1zc
      @Christian-qm1zc 11 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/siHfHUm3HGE/видео.html

  • @jk_mizu
    @jk_mizu 5 месяцев назад +31

    Even as a non-religious person I find it sad that so many people think everything is meaningless and we are “just” a bunch of atoms floating randomly in space.

    • @tinajthesinger
      @tinajthesinger 3 месяца назад +3

      100% agree.

    • @alphaikaros417
      @alphaikaros417 Месяц назад +1

      Nothing about that statement is incorrect though. We are just a bunch of atoms floating in space and for practical purposes animal suffering is just an emotion inside the heads of humans. One of the reasons for the invention of religions is probably to give humans the feeling of a higher sense of purpose.

  • @Se7eNiToS
    @Se7eNiToS 4 года назад +6086

    That's how people should discuss ideas. This is how the world should be like.

    • @cloudthief8918
      @cloudthief8918 4 года назад +117

      Exactly! In my opinion, we currently put way to much emphasis on debates, where the goal is to win rather than to inform.

    • @counterpointerz-rocketleag2038
      @counterpointerz-rocketleag2038 4 года назад +12

      The world would be boring af if everyone was like this, don't you think?

    • @landon1136
      @landon1136 4 года назад +2

      It's good, like Steven Crowder's change my mind

    • @jamesdahughes3955
      @jamesdahughes3955 4 года назад +20

      people need to give a shit about becoming more knowledgeable first

    • @hashslinginhasher
      @hashslinginhasher 4 года назад +1

      I don't get it.. They are discussing shit in this fashion... What's the problem?

  • @samfisher1650
    @samfisher1650 4 года назад +3527

    This goes to show you can't judge an argument by its haircuts

    • @TokyoKazama
      @TokyoKazama 4 года назад +23

      Lool

    • @bobkundi8858
      @bobkundi8858 4 года назад +143

      Well i must say that vegan dude look like he was borned to be vegan xD

    • @livestrong296
      @livestrong296 4 года назад +14

      Highly underrated comment

    • @CJ2K
      @CJ2K 4 года назад +4

      😂😂😭

    • @Ericadbury
      @Ericadbury 3 года назад +1

      Really liked your comment

  • @SuXiiColdHand
    @SuXiiColdHand 2 года назад +199

    24:27 "the reason why people aren't hurting other people is because they would be punished for that" - what a depressing thought that everyone on the world would just lose any kind of morale and humanity once no one would be punished. he took "the purge" way too seriously.

    • @scumbag9714
      @scumbag9714 2 года назад +18

      It's true if you look back even 500 years, people gathered by the hundreds to watch public executions as a form of entertainment. There's a reason we need laws.

    • @sense_maker1816
      @sense_maker1816 2 года назад

      @@scumbag9714 But those people were being executed because of the law

    • @evieblessed
      @evieblessed Год назад +27

      @@scumbag9714 , nah, people were being executed BECAUSE of laws. Look to our closest relatives and you'll see that we, as social beings, aim for harmony within our groups. Sure, fear of punishment can factor, but humans are an animal that bonds, nurtures and cares just as fiercely as it fights.

    • @Mfor1998
      @Mfor1998 8 месяцев назад +3

      …is he wrong tho?

    • @keifer7813
      @keifer7813 5 месяцев назад

      Oh boy would you be in a shock if the purge was real 😂

  • @hollieinan8329
    @hollieinan8329 3 года назад +404

    This is one of my favorite debates. I wish Ed had pushed the other guy on the ramifications of the "it's illegal so I don't do it" line of thinking. In some countries, it's perfectly legal to murder someone if they are LGBTQ+. As Ed said, legality doesn't equal morality.

    • @-rr-4172
      @-rr-4172 2 года назад +6

      And unfortunately for people using morality as a basis for any of their arguments, don't actually have an argument because morality is relative.

    • @hollieinan8329
      @hollieinan8329 2 года назад +22

      @@-rr-4172 Nothing matters so anything goes. It seems like morality is subjective, but since that leaves us free to decide for ourselves, I choose kindness over might makes right.

    • @-rr-4172
      @-rr-4172 2 года назад +3

      @@hollieinan8329 Exactly, which also means 'meat eaters' have just as much right to kill and eat an animal as you choosing to not to consume (or own?) anything that has resulted in an animal's death.

    • @hollieinan8329
      @hollieinan8329 2 года назад +20

      @@-rr-4172 And to do anything else they want to anyone, including all the worst things people do to each other--rape, torture, murder, etc. It also means people who dislike others suffering have just as much "right" to stop the people who hurt animals from hurting them. If we decide anything goes then... anything goes.

    • @-rr-4172
      @-rr-4172 2 года назад +3

      @@hollieinan8329 Welp, that's the truth. Anything does go......If you're a loony. I cant speak for others but i can speak for myself so i shall; morality is totally relative yes, but humanitarianism is not. Here's a thought exercise: since morality is relative, why isn't it ok to take someone else's life? Because as a human being, i can understand other human beings, recognizing that i dont want to die AND killing another of my own species would ultimately do the opposite of prolonging the survival and wellbeing of my species.

  • @seraphina3093
    @seraphina3093 3 года назад +5758

    Unrelated but I wish I had the ability to just talk and express my ideas clearly without messing up my words or loosing my train of thought. Must be nice

    • @artemregenesis629
      @artemregenesis629 3 года назад +191

      I’m like partially educated in anything I do so I usually just lose confidence in my argument and end up agreeing with the person I’m debating against 😂 these days I’ve learnt to just shut my mouth and listen as I’ve realised I can learn everything I need to know without necessarily debating!
      If I find myself headed in that direction I simply just flip the script and just start asking questions instead!

    • @korrine888
      @korrine888 3 года назад +73

      I had this EXACT same thought several time throughout this video omg

    • @konstantinethecommunist6177
      @konstantinethecommunist6177 3 года назад +44

      Practice

    • @juman9696
      @juman9696 3 года назад +26

      You can do anything

    • @throughcolouredglasses9300
      @throughcolouredglasses9300 3 года назад +96

      You can actually practice that :) Start small by expressing what you think and why about whatever issue (say where you'd like to eat with friends, how you feel after a conversation or movie) in one or two sentences, starting with your opinion or feeling, then followed by why you feel that way or how it affects you. It might be weird at first but you'll get used to speaking in full sentences including your reason. It will not only make you sound smart in staged debates but make communication with your friends or relationship partners easier and more clear, potentially bettering your relationships with them and also get you in touch with your own ability to justify feelings or opinions even just to yourself :)
      If you have no one to practice with, even exploring your feelings or opinions in your own head like that can make a difference.
      Also, there is no shame in saying "I'm not sure about this, I don't know enough about this topic to have a strong opinion" (maybe followed by "but i do know about this related issue...") and there is no shame in asking questions in order to learn and form an opinion. You can do everything you want to :) Even voicing your wish to get better at this in the comments here is a real first step.

  • @gjames6757
    @gjames6757 4 года назад +3045

    Politicians take note. No digs, or over opinions, just educated points of opposing views.

    • @0Gudmandsen0
      @0Gudmandsen0 4 года назад +13

      Politicians communicate the way they do because it works. Zingers and complex poblems boiled down to an single line is much more easy to communicate to the masses than long explanations. It sucks, but should it be otherwise we need to reinvent political debates

    • @Klemeron
      @Klemeron 4 года назад +2

      I'm actually okay with some zings. The problem is politicians can spout some mind-washing stupidity and empty platitudes that appeal to "heart" rather than rationale.

    • @fornostios8970
      @fornostios8970 4 года назад

      Don't know where you are from. But in my country, the politicians act formally like in this debate.

    • @Paul2377
      @Paul2377 4 года назад

      G Fisher Indeed. Comparing the jeering in the House of Commons to this.

    • @MishimaTyler
      @MishimaTyler 4 года назад

      Fornostios what country are you from then?

  • @RipleyInc
    @RipleyInc 3 года назад +118

    Great balanced debate. Really good to see, guys. I went vegan when I had this thought - "If you want to eat it, you have to kill it yourself." I realised that if I'm faced with a pig, sheep, or cow, I'm more likely to cuddle it than kill it. Haven't touched animal products since.

    • @santhoshs9933
      @santhoshs9933 10 месяцев назад

      Same with me... Majority of the people can't see their food being killed...but they paradoxically still eat a lot of meat ..Those who comeout of this and resolve the paradox are now vegans...

  • @mafesimione3967
    @mafesimione3967 2 года назад +127

    I am from Brazil, and I don’t think there is a cheaper and more practical country to be vegan in the world. Not only well developed countries have easy access to a plant based diet, people just talk about things they have no knowledge of.

    • @Brandon-os3qr
      @Brandon-os3qr Год назад +4

      Eu to tao feliz pra ler isso : ) Nao sou brasileiro, mas tenho **muitas conexoes ai (familha e amigos), e todos falam q nao e possivel ai. Q eu devo nao o mencionar, ou q eu to ignorante / nao entendo as realidades brasileiras

    • @mafesimione3967
      @mafesimione3967 Год назад +7

      @@Brandon-os3qr :) imagina, é mais que possível. Inclusive temos restaurantes veganos maravilhosos! As pessoas só querem criticar. Eu vivo na Europa hoje e posso garantir que é muito mais fácil e barato ser vegano no Brasil.

    • @richierich2229
      @richierich2229 Год назад +1

      @@mafesimione3967 Brazilian tribes can’t go to vegan restaurants. Kids in the slums can’t go to vegan restaurants

    • @mafesimione3967
      @mafesimione3967 Год назад +12

      @@richierich2229 they don’t have to.

    • @user-se2qr4xe6r
      @user-se2qr4xe6r 9 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@mafesimione3967 Concordo ! Ser vegano na França é um pesadelo...

  • @borekvodrazka5066
    @borekvodrazka5066 4 года назад +3886

    Imagine a world where people are as educated and have it together as these two...

    • @orngpeelr9017
      @orngpeelr9017 4 года назад +26

      buddy on the left didn't have a clue what he was getting himself into. You think he's educated? His arguments were weak and not well thought out (just one indication was his revision and contradictions). His counterarguments even weaker. He was able to articulate himself quite clearly, but that's more rhetoric than it is knowledge.

    • @99999george
      @99999george 4 года назад +151

      @@orngpeelr9017 I'm not sure about you, but I don't have my arguments for every conceivable debate ready 24/7 in case I am invited to one spontaneously. Considering the guy on the left did this impromptu compared to Ed, who had arguments prepared in advance, I think he held his ground very well.

    • @t-dollas5442
      @t-dollas5442 4 года назад +23

      @@orngpeelr9017 honestly some of ed's counter arguments were childishly nitpicky. He cut the guy off a few times, not much, but when he did i felt that it was only to hinder the dudes thought process as he explained his points.

    • @orngpeelr9017
      @orngpeelr9017 4 года назад +2

      @@99999george he wasn't invited to a debate though? Out of his own volition he chose to make himself look foolish. You're crediting a guy for making an attempt and I would agree with you IF that attempt was necessary. No one forced him to debate Ed though. He chose to not bring any actual arguments.

    • @orngpeelr9017
      @orngpeelr9017 4 года назад +3

      @@t-dollas5442 that seems more like a projection than it does to be a logical conclusion given that Ed was clearly "winning the argument" for the lack of a better phrase. So he'd have no need to throw the guy off. Not to mention that the guy did the exact same thing, but ok.

  • @spwn6000
    @spwn6000 4 года назад +3306

    I love how this didn't degrade into name calling and screaming

    • @omp365
      @omp365 4 года назад +66

      grown ups. they still exist.

    • @SHFTPROJECTS
      @SHFTPROJECTS 4 года назад +33

      This would be a different story if it was feminism lol

    • @marietjelta3791
      @marietjelta3791 4 года назад +10

      @@SHFTPROJECTS why?

    • @PaulKentSkates
      @PaulKentSkates 4 года назад +45

      @Bobson Dugnut there are many types of feminists. I happen to live with a woman who does a very good job of explaining why she is a feminist and why her ideas work and often how many of the loud feminists miss the point. Don't allow the loudest and most radical of any bunch form your view on a movement or a group of other people.

    • @TheColourAwesomer
      @TheColourAwesomer 4 года назад +15

      Because this isn't America.

  • @seanybyne1982
    @seanybyne1982 Год назад +50

    Ed... I just want to say. I love you brother. You are such a valuable asset to the world. Thank you for being you 🙂👌❤️

  • @PiceaSitchensis
    @PiceaSitchensis 3 года назад +13

    "the reason we don't hurt each other is because of laws" This is just totally empirically wrong on so many levels.

    • @angycucumber4319
      @angycucumber4319 2 года назад

      Slavery used to be legal

    • @paulhaywood1615
      @paulhaywood1615 Год назад

      @@angycucumber4319 yeh by the psychopaths in charge, NOT NORMAL NON CLUSTER B FOLK, we understand morals, and the golden rule.

    • @unreal1257
      @unreal1257 9 месяцев назад

      can you elaborate on that?

  • @lorienMcDaniel
    @lorienMcDaniel 4 года назад +3163

    WOW- this guy did NOT come to play. He knew what he was talking about not only that.. he listened. 👏🏻

    • @kage353
      @kage353 3 года назад +32

      janaye C yeah u clearly dont know what ur talking about...

    • @Tschaggi
      @Tschaggi 3 года назад +77

      More or less. He completely bailed out on morality, also didn't make a lot of sense in nuances, like saying we have control over parts of the universe or borderline-claiming animals might not be sentient beings. The part that angers me though is how he refers to animal products being used in many other ways than nourishment. Yes, having a pigs heart-valve might safe your life, while breeding and feeding and slaughtering a pig for food not only hurts your environment but also your heart. TBF, he was on the premise of "it is my choice" - which is more than you can say of pretty much anyone else.
      They might not have had enough time to get into that but the space he made for the vegan standpoint to park into was way too huge.
      In general, good debate and credit to the guy.

    • @user-vv5ju3fj1p
      @user-vv5ju3fj1p 3 года назад +12

      @@lookaround1846 It's reversed. "Hearing but not listening" is the term.

    • @user-vv5ju3fj1p
      @user-vv5ju3fj1p 3 года назад +11

      @@lookaround1846 And I don't know what he said for you to come to the conclusion he has no heart.

    • @Shrenkeh
      @Shrenkeh 3 года назад +21

      @@user-vv5ju3fj1p he's pretty clearly a nihilist. Something nobody likes

  • @glassw1ng
    @glassw1ng 3 года назад +2395

    If only the presidential debates were like this.

    • @Dance4Israel
      @Dance4Israel 3 года назад +38

      April Flower I want to age as well as this comment

    • @mahadhussain3588
      @mahadhussain3588 3 года назад +2

      yep

    • @nternetrat
      @nternetrat 3 года назад +9

      @@Dance4Israel HAHAHA like fine wine

    • @ShirisSun
      @ShirisSun 3 года назад +6

      best comment of the day

    • @Yoqamar
      @Yoqamar 3 года назад +1

      May Buzzetti HAHAHAH

  • @tesswhitney9444
    @tesswhitney9444 9 месяцев назад +16

    As someone who has been on and off vegan/vegetarian, finding Ed has been so helpful. He is levelheaded, he listens, and gives great rebuttals. It’s refreshing. Thank you.

  • @tylermunson9307
    @tylermunson9307 3 года назад +19

    The man in the white and orange jacket was so kind and respectful good for him

  • @lydiamurphy7208
    @lydiamurphy7208 3 года назад +2336

    Most vegans (including myself) have dealt with non-vegans arguing with you saying "oh but meat is so good" or "you don't get enough protein", but watching a non vegan calmly debate with a vegan and not just yell and be ignorant. This is very refreshing!

    • @BabyMango
      @BabyMango 3 года назад +40

      Right. And it’s been proven that centenarians have a significantly LOW protein diet, with high vegetable intake, and that is the secret to long term living. This has been scientifically proven. It seems that in the “western world” we are obsessed with protein. I’m not entirely sure why. But it’s absolutely killing the people slowly who believe this.

    • @danacampbell2960
      @danacampbell2960 3 года назад +20

      My fear is that I have seen a lot of vegans look sick looking , thats why I veer towards vegitatian or pescitarian way of living. Vegans you have to take a ton of supplements that seem to make it more work to be vegan as opposed to vegitatian

    • @user-hello2
      @user-hello2 3 года назад +35

      @@danacampbell2960 That’s a bit rude... don’t judge people on how they look.

    • @ninjarebangbang
      @ninjarebangbang 3 года назад +9

      I honestly have more respect when someone tells me that they just love meat too much
      I have no respect for people to try to fling stereotypes at me

    • @ninjarebangbang
      @ninjarebangbang 3 года назад +78

      @@danacampbell2960 The only supplement vegans need is B-12. In reality, B-12 is hard to get at all.
      The unhealthy vegan is the minority
      The unhealthy omnivore is the majority

  • @epser5842
    @epser5842 4 года назад +2231

    How sad is it that people are impressed that there is a civil discussion going on

    • @Senordisastermaster
      @Senordisastermaster 4 года назад +57

      It is sad in the sense it emphasizes how rare being civil is. It should be a given that debates are to be civil, but many times it doesn’t end up that way.

    • @DefeatLust
      @DefeatLust 4 года назад +4

      @Norm T which is what makes it sad. We stand on the shoulder of giants, great philosopher, world conquerors, and from that we're "refreshed", however you want to put it, that a civil discourse is in play today. THAT is extremely sad. What we may have advanced in technology, we still lack on our foundations. That is fucking terrible. We haven't come far. At all.

    • @God-T
      @God-T 4 года назад

      Immorality!!! animals don't fuckin use immorality when they kill, if they did, they would've shown it a long time ago.. and I don't mean animals raised by human intervention..😒

    • @alexandermills2449
      @alexandermills2449 4 года назад

      I think a lot of people are impressed by their intellect but I do get your point. I feel like a lot of conversations should and could be debates but most of the time they turn into arguments as people struggle to accept an opposing view or just struggle to agree to disagree. A lot of people want everyone to have the same views as them (including a lot of vegans) but as long as their views don't create immoral or unethical actions then try to change their mind but if they don't want to, agree to disagree.

    • @pinkbeatle2012
      @pinkbeatle2012 4 года назад

      Its because it's a rare sight.

  • @jade1020
    @jade1020 2 года назад +12

    “The reason people do t harm animals is because there out of reach” WTF 😳

  • @Euphoftoday
    @Euphoftoday 2 года назад +189

    24:27 "The reason why people don't hurt other people, is because you have a system of laws in place"
    Frightening view. The reason why I don't hurt people is because it's cruel and wicked and against my own morals.
    This guy is a grim figure all round.

    • @Euphoftoday
      @Euphoftoday 2 года назад +1

      @Azur e only you would as that though is in your head, doesnt enter mine. How on earth can you pass judgement on a total stranger? Shocking.

    • @Euphoftoday
      @Euphoftoday 2 года назад

      @Azur e you mean you are. I never mentioned killing. You've got an obsession. Put the computer down and go get your medication.

    • @TacoSlayer571
      @TacoSlayer571 2 года назад +26

      I don't hurt other people because I feel compassion and empathy for them. So sad how many sick people are out there including the guy in the video. You can even see how sick he looks. I wish him the best. Poor guy, probbably has an empathy defecit or something like that.

    • @amazingly_bookish
      @amazingly_bookish 2 года назад +2

      You say hurting another human being is "cruel and wicked and against your own morals" and yet your words are so hurtful.

    • @Euphoftoday
      @Euphoftoday 2 года назад +6

      @@amazingly_bookish I suggest you visit a slaughterhouse, then you will see what really is cruel and hurtful. Besides which, you cannot see the DISGUSTING abuse hurled at me by this azure person, because they removed their comments.

  • @krishnabharadwaj4715
    @krishnabharadwaj4715 4 года назад +723

    A Wise man once said "The point of a debate is to find the truth not prove you are right".

    • @johnnyflips420
      @johnnyflips420 4 года назад

      Krishna Bharadwaj 🙏🏼

    • @johanneswestman935
      @johanneswestman935 4 года назад +8

      The man was wrong. Appealing to emotions is far better than appealing to logic if you want to see things change. It is what it is. Humans aren't robots.

    • @whimahwhe
      @whimahwhe 4 года назад +2

      Johannes Westman But we actually build them robots. Every aspect of a robot is embedded inside our skull and has to coexist with the other emotional part. A Human is both of those parts, and the logical part is the one that made this exact conversation able to happen. Or do you think computers, networks and microchips were invented by the logic of our emotions? don’t fool yourself, both parts are critical and are the ones that makes us whole

    • @bobkundi8858
      @bobkundi8858 4 года назад +1

      Whimah Whe
      However u could put emotions above logic cuz emotions accept certain morals and customs.. logic just accept the truth and efficiency
      As we all know the truth isnt always the solution.. and efficiency can be so immoral..
      Watch psycho pass a good anime for robot/human situations

    • @whimahwhe
      @whimahwhe 4 года назад +1

      Bob Kundi Not quite. Logic is more like a framework. You need values (as x = 1) to make it work. You can use the truth, which I advise, but you could use your own values, such as a moral system ruled by emotions. The status of actual truth of such value is not related with the status of truth inside the logic framework, that’s why we can think, you are using the framework filling the values with whatever is convenient in order to create a simulation. You should learn programming, this becomes much clear if you know how to code :)

  • @capitanrdc99
    @capitanrdc99 4 года назад +4684

    Dude both of these guys are extremely educated! Congrats on having a civil discussion!

    • @user-zm3dp9qt8m
      @user-zm3dp9qt8m 4 года назад +44

      @D true the meat dude looks like he didn't sleep for 1 week and survives on energy drinks and chicken nuggets

    • @semsm192
      @semsm192 4 года назад +25

      민지김 I’m not saying the guy on the left looks healthy but if you think that vegan looks healthy you really are in denial. Look how PALE (and skinny) he looks.

    • @user-zm3dp9qt8m
      @user-zm3dp9qt8m 4 года назад +16

      @@semsm192 first of all I basically described a college student that was nothing against him lol and second of all people can be naturally skinny and being pale has very little to do with your diet

    • @semsm192
      @semsm192 4 года назад +5

      민지김 it has very MUCH to do with your diet. Don’t argue that becaus that simply is a fact.

    • @semsm192
      @semsm192 4 года назад +11

      And what a surprise. ONE OF the manor causes of paleness is a folate and b-12 deficiency😂

  • @freebird8993
    @freebird8993 2 года назад +33

    Thanks do much for being at the front line!!
    Thanks for all you do for animals and for this screwed up world

    • @jupiterinaries6150
      @jupiterinaries6150 9 месяцев назад

      He’s at the “front line” of his own sense of moral superiority. These animal “rights” activists act so superior.

    • @FloridaSprings12
      @FloridaSprings12 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@jupiterinaries6150 uh, the ones who say “humans are superior to animals-therefore who cares if they suffer” seem to have the superiority complex 💀

    • @mountaingirl1753
      @mountaingirl1753 3 месяца назад +1

      @@jupiterinaries6150 Someone who stands up for the victimized IS superior to someone who disregards their suffering.

    • @jupiterinaries6150
      @jupiterinaries6150 3 месяца назад

      @@mountaingirl1753 nope vegans are not superior to meat eaters. They think they’re doing good in the world by standing up for dumb animals when in reality they’re feeding their own egos. Animals could care less whether they live or die. It’s pure instinct on their part.

    • @gaddummit
      @gaddummit 2 месяца назад

      lmfao destroyed him @@FloridaSprings12

  • @missmyoldhandle24
    @missmyoldhandle24 2 года назад +7

    The meat eater seems like he doesn't find much joy in life...or is that just my American positivity and optimism?

  • @DasCartoonLand
    @DasCartoonLand 4 года назад +2338

    i was prepared for the worst, expected passive aggressive provoking and shit, but i got surprised

    • @plokijuh5830
      @plokijuh5830 4 года назад +31

      This isn’t Stephen Crowder

    • @anfi7447
      @anfi7447 4 года назад +6

      This isn’t change my mind

    • @Tillyard86
      @Tillyard86 4 года назад +1

      Why are you surprised? Outside of the internet, this is normal.

    • @cansomer6433
      @cansomer6433 4 года назад +5

      That happens when only one side is intelligent.

    • @bobkundi8858
      @bobkundi8858 4 года назад +5

      Can Somer i dont think intelligence is a factor to this calm discussion.. i mean u can have a ragy and aggressive conversation between 2 high intellectual people... ( i think intelligence is determined by the intellectual ability) however im convienced its not the intelligency that make calm conversations its more the personality and the will..
      what defins being intelligent anyway.. 🤔

  • @bluto727
    @bluto727 4 года назад +1904

    It sucks that discussions like this aren't the norm on disagreeing issues.

    • @jaspermills4506
      @jaspermills4506 4 года назад +25

      I think that it is because although both people have a strong belief in their argument, neither are so arrogant that they are unwilling to accept they maybe wrong.

    • @musashi-avi284
      @musashi-avi284 4 года назад +7

      For every screaming idiot there's a rational debate happening. Just because they dont get the clicks doesn't mean theyre in the minority

    • @Tillyard86
      @Tillyard86 4 года назад +3

      They are the norm if you just look hard enough.

    • @bluto727
      @bluto727 4 года назад +1

      @@MagnusBringsli I behave perfectly fine, but I can't say the same for plenty of others.

    • @cedb3360
      @cedb3360 3 года назад

      It takes 2 intelligent persons aware of how to discuss, which is rare

  • @reedclippings8991
    @reedclippings8991 3 года назад +9

    I thought mystery man represented himself really well until he confessed himself a moral nihilist around 20:30.

    • @elofkjellson3906
      @elofkjellson3906 2 года назад

      What is wrong with nihilism? Do you simply not wish to think about anything negatively? You would be denying many harsh realities of this world we live in. It isn't like being nihilistic makes you a psychopath.

    • @reedclippings8991
      @reedclippings8991 2 года назад +3

      ​@@elofkjellson3906 To say nothing matters because it won't matter at some point in the future is to be completely obsessed with the future and having impact on it. That need itself is irrational and super ego heavy. Meaning doesn't need to be dependent on "later". To me, many nihilists seem to take something obvious, like the eventual death of Earth, and then use it as an excuse to be apathetic (proven link with depression). I don't remember this video super well, but I think it may have been a last ditch effort appealing to futility. As if to say "This doesn't matter much anyways, so I'll eat what I want". Some forms of nihilism are factually true...don't want to get to caught up in that. Experience in each present moment matters, and need not be tied down to influence over anything in the future.

  • @gingerisvegan
    @gingerisvegan 2 года назад +45

    Ed: You and me have the choice to be vegan
    The other guy: im not
    Ed: I presumed that, don’t worry
    Love it 😂

  • @Scor-ah
    @Scor-ah 4 года назад +3847

    I love how calmly this guy listens to and explains his thoughts on veganism, I am trying hard to learn how to do just that. Our world needs to learn how to listen and talk to each other without becoming angry

    • @harrywoolston846
      @harrywoolston846 4 года назад +32

      Meditate

    • @nope7391
      @nope7391 4 года назад +1

      He talked about how he did that in his Harvard video, really amazing I’m trying to as well!

    • @conorkrekeler6983
      @conorkrekeler6983 4 года назад +33

      I’m sure it helps a lot that this guy didn’t just show up to troll him with low brow or subjective comments. He’s articulate and calm. His points weren’t exactly accurate and honestly a pretty depressing, but he’s not throwing around comments like “hehe bacon good. me caveman”

    • @Samueljohnhorne1984
      @Samueljohnhorne1984 4 года назад +3

      It is a very rational, and calm debate. Rather enjoyable to see.

    • @majinkentssj4
      @majinkentssj4 4 года назад +5

      Maybe stop taking it so personal. And try to force others for your choice

  • @annafulgham
    @annafulgham 4 года назад +1895

    the fact that im surprised there was no yelling and angry fighting, is probably because im american.

    • @crownonmyheads
      @crownonmyheads 3 года назад +43

      @Jules Juerez This could also be the result of only seeing debates turn out ugly in media, not just their personal life

    • @giftedwolf6671
      @giftedwolf6671 3 года назад +2

      RosesILoveYou Yeah

    • @platoschauvet
      @platoschauvet 3 года назад +9

      UK and Australian parliament are way wilder than our congress though, always yelling and stuff

    • @indicaking
      @indicaking 3 года назад +8

      @Jules Juerez idk, I rarely get angry, and the second someone starts yelling in a debate with me I just end it there because theirs no reason to debate with them at that point, but I'm always surprised to see a debate with no yelling, especially on a topic as disagreed upon as this one

    • @prodipkumargogoi4546
      @prodipkumargogoi4546 3 года назад

      @@77l96 same bro we are the killer

  • @gutzimmumdo4910
    @gutzimmumdo4910 2 года назад +28

    omg this guy is a piece of work, "we are all resources" im glad u got from that interview alive.

    • @AnthonyCook78
      @AnthonyCook78 2 года назад +2

      Why do anything is we're all just resources?

    • @gutzimmumdo4910
      @gutzimmumdo4910 2 года назад

      @@AnthonyCook78 he is assuming
      1 - that we know what we are (made of atoms or whatever he thinks he learn in a book or uni or school)
      2 - science has told the public that we are made of inert matter and he is taking it very deeply as a hardcore fact. Therefore we are inert matter and theres no pourpouse to us more than fueling the system (like atoms would).
      Now im not saying thats wrong, but that seems to be his justification for beliving this, wich is insuficient... scientists themselves dont know what we are (nor claim to know) nor the reality we live in, we are just assuming things as convenient to us for applications.

    • @CPSPD
      @CPSPD 2 года назад

      @@gutzimmumdo4910 It does not matter what we’re made of, because that’s not what’s being debated with that point. What it is, is the lessening of a moral imperative to do good and avoid harm because it “doesn’t matter”. Just like you laid out in point 2.
      Like, personally I believe that we are literally “just atoms” (obviously the deeper we look the more complexity we see), but that doesn’t mean things don’t matter. Whatever “I” or “me” actually is, I can perceive the world around me and I can suffer. I assume both of those facts for all other people and animals, since I can see it happening with my own eyes when humans and animals interact with the world and express suffering from pain stimuli and events (or I can have information about those concepts communicated to me by others), and then I can make reasonable assumptions by correlating these experiences together.
      But already with just those two facts of experience and suffering, which the guy in the video would agree with, you can argue towards axioms such as suffering being bad, which would then lead to a moral imperative such as minimising suffering.

    • @matohollo283
      @matohollo283 Год назад

      Somebody telling truth at it really is...and most of us trying to act like they don't understand ..just for....???

  • @nicolakestel-lifestyleceo4040
    @nicolakestel-lifestyleceo4040 3 года назад +8

    How refreshing to watch two adults having a mature discussion/debate with mutual respect. As it should be.

  • @joshuacowart7697
    @joshuacowart7697 4 года назад +1425

    That wrinkle in the table cloth has me feeling some type of way..

    • @NoName-de1fn
      @NoName-de1fn 4 года назад +14

      Uncomfortable?

    • @ciara9414
      @ciara9414 3 года назад +81

      I didn’t notice until I read your comment and now it’s got me fucked up lol

    • @sebastianmacchi6802
      @sebastianmacchi6802 3 года назад +6

      @@ciara9414 exactly this, now I feel sad >:(

    • @debralarocco7110
      @debralarocco7110 3 года назад +5

      Please smooth it out!

    • @lindsylampi9481
      @lindsylampi9481 3 года назад +6

      It makes me unsettled. I feel an impulse to fix it

  • @slaygirlyboopop
    @slaygirlyboopop 4 года назад +1223

    I like how there both respectful and have facts and they aren’t getting triggered.
    Edit: to all y’all pressed about me spelling a word wrong. My bad I didn’t realize this was a spelling class.

    • @kevinvallejolee1
      @kevinvallejolee1 3 года назад +2

      Where?

    • @habenwoldemelak4507
      @habenwoldemelak4507 3 года назад +11

      the yutber is triggered lol his opinions are based on emotions

    • @craigholmes9396
      @craigholmes9396 3 года назад +2

      partially because they didn't completely disagree with each other. If not giving up eating meat was the stance of one, and the other pushed to make meat illegal and scorning the other for being a meat eater, well, welcome to the real world scenario.

    • @karnapriya4568
      @karnapriya4568 3 года назад +2

      How do you use they aren’t correctly but not they’re 😅

    • @PauIdenino
      @PauIdenino 3 года назад +3

      @@habenwoldemelak4507
      Explain

  • @jamesthorne222
    @jamesthorne222 Год назад +11

    The only thing stopping Ben becoming a serial killer is the threat of jail.

  • @NathanMandjes
    @NathanMandjes 3 года назад +13

    It makes me happy that this is a conversation where my blood isn’t boiling.. but on the other hand I’m getting quite sad because that bloke probably never felt responsible for / *really* took care of another animal like a dog or cat. He missed out on love and compassion.

  • @archermadsen2028
    @archermadsen2028 4 года назад +1026

    More people need to be this calm when debating ,rather than just screaming at each other.

    • @RisenAngel945
      @RisenAngel945 4 года назад +5

      This is a civilised debate. Anything other is just acting as an animal, who screams louder or is more violent.

    • @NavyGuero83
      @NavyGuero83 4 года назад +3

      A debate by definition is a discussion (heated or not), so if someone is just screaming at someone and/or not listening, presenting counter arguments, than it is not a debate.

    • @bluenomadbruh
      @bluenomadbruh 3 года назад +1

      If someone starts screaming, I withdraw. Screaming just shows u r an unworthy opponent.

    • @hovnousek1962
      @hovnousek1962 3 года назад +2

      That's what the liberals do

    • @dumbthings7800
      @dumbthings7800 3 года назад

      @@NavyGuero83 wouldn’t you say this is better for a real conclusion or to come to a middle ground?

  • @sierraalexandra7630
    @sierraalexandra7630 4 года назад +1707

    "If the universe is meaningless, so is the statement that it is so."
    - Alan Watts

  • @withgoddess7646
    @withgoddess7646 2 года назад +8

    Finally someone who can have a reasoned intelligent discussion with dear Ed. Then again thete are some brilliant serial killers.

  • @tara7206
    @tara7206 2 года назад +10

    People with this kind of cold world view cannot get behind the very valid moral arguments made my Ed. Honestly the core belief is unchangeable and any global arguments won’t work because it doesnt actually concern them. This is hard for us vegans to imagine since many of us feel pain knowing how animals are treated. Would be very interested in seeing Ed spread more knowledge on the medical perspective because that would have a better chance of concerning them directly.

  • @ShauryaRaikkonen
    @ShauryaRaikkonen 4 года назад +2131

    Americans watching this like: Is that what they call a functional education system?

    • @f1rebreather123
      @f1rebreather123 4 года назад +16

      Pretty much

    • @danielaziz5611
      @danielaziz5611 4 года назад +7

      kiloisnear bruv it’s not tea and crumpets when you go east London , at least in a week a person is killed from knifes from gangs so don’t t listen to your friends

    • @logantobias3224
      @logantobias3224 4 года назад +1

      @@danielaziz5611 mong

    • @power2go3
      @power2go3 4 года назад +5

      If I were american I wouldn't be impressed by the British education system... If I were like, rural african I would be

    • @frostmagemarii
      @frostmagemarii 4 года назад +2

      @@christianjamesmiller8388 The only places in Africa that have proper infrastructure and are able to have a worthwhile school system are the ones that the British Empire/United Kingdom had a hand in before leaving.

  • @BrennaMay
    @BrennaMay 4 года назад +2208

    Someone fix the table cloth

  • @jidey0
    @jidey0 3 года назад +5

    His justification: "I don't give a fuck, really"

    • @exxtraterestial
      @exxtraterestial 2 года назад

      Atleast he’s being honest. Not like other meat eaters who talk about economic, land or protein to justify it.😩

  • @nikko9078
    @nikko9078 2 года назад +9

    Wonderfully calm and respectful discourse. Amazing to see.

  • @nicolaspirlet
    @nicolaspirlet 4 года назад +1524

    Earthling Ed has the clearest mind I know of. It's like he doesn't even have to think before talking. He just comes with the right argument right away.

    • @karos108
      @karos108 4 года назад +87

      Experience

    • @KrwiomoczBogurodzicy
      @KrwiomoczBogurodzicy 4 года назад

      Nocolas Pirlet,
      Check out Reid of the "Cordial Curiosity" RUclips channel.

    • @nicolaspirlet
      @nicolaspirlet 4 года назад +26

      @Sam the Storyteller if he only did that he would post once every 6 months. But he did debate "professionals" in the past

    • @connannbarbarin3033
      @connannbarbarin3033 4 года назад +3

      then you need to go out and meet some new people

    • @iams2109
      @iams2109 4 года назад +1

      like politicians right? hahahaha

  • @tanzaf4094
    @tanzaf4094 3 года назад +1030

    I like how the non-vegan's points were based on economy and jobs and not how good the meat tastes.

    • @AdelineCowgirl
      @AdelineCowgirl 3 года назад +36

      He referenced taste quite a few times

    • @maxime9006
      @maxime9006 3 года назад +28

      @@AdelineCowgirl Well it is a factor

    • @ob2395
      @ob2395 3 года назад +24

      He also said morality is subjective so…

    • @bojanaselih3918
      @bojanaselih3918 3 года назад +1

      Agree

    • @job3950
      @job3950 3 года назад +16

      'The meals got quite boring after a while' basically a mention of taste

  • @lucasryan4181
    @lucasryan4181 2 года назад +17

    Huge respect for both of you, I feel that we do live in a civilized society, but unfortunately on those debates people end up being completely the opposite, so I'm really glad that we do have people who can have such a debate, I'm a fail human being and I'm leaning from this, both in a philosophical and human way. Thank you both again for this debate! 👏🏻👏🏻

  • @thekeyboardess1150
    @thekeyboardess1150 2 года назад +24

    WOW! This debate is so refreshing, so civilized and mutually respectful, itgive me faith and hope for humankind!

  • @CornChips-di7zu
    @CornChips-di7zu 4 года назад +1195

    I’m watching this from the States. You guys are having a genuine intellectual debate, while over here every conversation about veganism vs meat-eaters is like Erin and Joe Exotic having a boxing match.

    • @gdhsk5749
      @gdhsk5749 4 года назад +35

      Sarah Edwards Yh that’s not vegan

    • @tuvi0032
      @tuvi0032 4 года назад +2

      @@gdhsk5749 lol

    • @dakotasm1266
      @dakotasm1266 4 года назад +1

      Sarah Edwards literally 😭😭😭😭

    • @dancetothebaileybeat2809
      @dancetothebaileybeat2809 4 года назад +6

      It's not just America. In the UK people would be doing the exact same thing if they weren't too scared to offend people. So I can imagine the less friendly people who I don't see often will be just like you described. And on the internet you usually don't talk to people you don't know, so if you go onto anyone's social media, you're guaranteed to find an arguement.

    • @Jayyboogiee03
      @Jayyboogiee03 4 года назад

      🤣

  • @chelm5442
    @chelm5442 3 года назад +819

    He keeps saying that the UK for example is not ready to go entirely vegan, that it will take about 50 years to adapt their economy and their agriculture to it. For me, that sounds like a great reason to go vegan, because the choices people make are what motivates change. If everyone in the world went vegan today that wouldn’t work. But that is not going to happen. You don’t need to slow down the change by not going vegan, going vegan is what motivates the change.

    • @putinsgaytwin4272
      @putinsgaytwin4272 3 года назад +41

      Agreed. So many jobs can be created by going vegan. People argued that ending slavery would financially cripple the south. However, other industries took over and they were fine. That was with a sudden abolition of a HUGE part of the American economy. In the case of slavery it wasn’t obvious how they were going to move forward, but there are so many possible vegan jobs to be created with a higher demand.

    • @breathingsnow55
      @breathingsnow55 3 года назад +7

      Yeah I will never go vegan, pigs and cows taste nice

    • @putinsgaytwin4272
      @putinsgaytwin4272 3 года назад +36

      breathing Snow would you consider reducing some of your meat even if it’s just for health benefits? What if you just cut out pork and leave everything else? Or try have a vegetarian/vegan dinner once a week? Or perhaps buy a vegan protein bar and have it as part of your lunch? What if you like two types of crisps, you could buy the ones that don’t contain milk? Perhaps choosing the vegetarian pizza? These little choices add up
      You don’t have to go strictly vegan but you can reduce your meat consumption which will reduce the amount of suffering if animals. perhaps one less pig will scream in terror as a farmer chops off it’s tail🤷🏼‍♀️. you will be helping the environment far more than using paper straws and there will be health benefits on top of all that
      Would you consider it?

    • @lukemoulton3281
      @lukemoulton3281 3 года назад +13

      @@putinsgaytwin4272 it's a shame you don't hear people say this much I think you have much more chance of making a positive impact by showing people the benefits of cutting down opposed to outright just asking people to give it up completely...

    • @someguy2135
      @someguy2135 3 года назад +5

      @@putinsgaytwin4272 Some omnivores might reduce to help the environment, or some for health. If they don't care about animals, they won't care about how many they are responsible for killing.

  • @ThomasSpeltz-nz4vz
    @ThomasSpeltz-nz4vz 6 месяцев назад +5

    Ed, I am watching every one of your videos one at a time, they just get better with each one. You are a treasure to this world, keep fighting for animals, and the rest of us will back you up. People like you are going to change the world for animals.

    • @91MattL
      @91MattL 4 месяца назад

      And animals will continue not giving a fuck about you. You must think animals have a life purpose in their minds. Not even most of us have. Under controlled situations, animals are just energy for a greater good

  • @ual.regenesis
    @ual.regenesis Год назад +1

    I like how the guest first talks about the material economic needs, and how these need to be met now and in the future, and then goes and to talk about how nothing matters because we'll all be atoms in a trillion years.

  • @aakk1164
    @aakk1164 4 года назад +345

    This debate should be brought as an example in schools

    • @lukewyeth1989
      @lukewyeth1989 3 года назад +2

      Leaders in power just laugh at the vegan concept. Just google Theresa May vegan. She slammed a vegan advocate a few years back.

  • @wez3107
    @wez3107 4 года назад +779

    This is better than a debate. It’s two people having a respectful conversation on how to go about the future.

    • @chregig7967
      @chregig7967 4 года назад +23

      That's what a debate should ideally look like.

    • @mash3519
      @mash3519 4 года назад +5

      A debate is about what’s right not who’s right

    • @pierred3088
      @pierred3088 4 года назад +1

      I would even say we need more discussions, conversations are random where discussion are used to share about a subject. We need to think things more deeply.

    • @Jonas-cf4oi
      @Jonas-cf4oi 4 года назад

      @Lau taro plants are 'important' for the ecosystem of the planet. They're not 'unimportant'
      what do you mean anyways, since importance is such a shallow word
      something can only be important TO someone or something so it has to describe a relationship
      (but you only name one partner)

    • @judefeembo262
      @judefeembo262 4 года назад

      @Jan Sitkowski lmao

  • @krissydayanagomez
    @krissydayanagomez Год назад +8

    happily eating vegan fettuccine alfredo with plant based chicken, mushrooms, broccoli and garlic bread

  • @johannengelhardt5885
    @johannengelhardt5885 3 года назад +4

    I could never have such an educated conversation

  • @MrAchsas
    @MrAchsas 4 года назад +2518

    people who say meals get boring just dont know how to cook lol

    • @highroadtohell
      @highroadtohell 4 года назад +28

      MrAchsas agree! You’re only swapping out one part 😂

    • @user-cq9pd4md8v
      @user-cq9pd4md8v 4 года назад +107

      seriously.. I've made tastier and healthier meals since taking out animal products and thinking of new alternatives to meals I already love.

    • @jonahlevi3178
      @jonahlevi3178 4 года назад +44

      theres so many vegan options too theres 80000 plants and only 5 animals that people eat (yuck) and eggs (tortured chickens periods) and cheese (extra yuck)

    • @peterdelaney1946
      @peterdelaney1946 4 года назад +30

      I agree. I'm not vegan, but I've eaten plenty of delicious plant based meals.

    • @MrAchsas
      @MrAchsas 4 года назад +16

      @@user-cq9pd4md8v yea same before i went vegan i always went for quick meals to cook now i actually use my brain xD and do proper meals

  • @fumetsudragons418
    @fumetsudragons418 4 года назад +267

    This guy could ve just said YOLO. It would ve saved me 27 minutes. GOD DAMNnnn

    • @tamcon72
      @tamcon72 4 года назад +3

      LOL.

    • @user-cq9pd4md8v
      @user-cq9pd4md8v 4 года назад +2

      LOL seriously

    • @tanvir699
      @tanvir699 4 года назад +1

      still, rather support ed through the ads

    • @brightbruce3957
      @brightbruce3957 4 года назад +1

      i hate ads more than my love of Ed.
      mmmmmm let that sink in

    • @DaN-or8gb
      @DaN-or8gb 4 года назад

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @adlozi
    @adlozi 2 года назад +31

    It's scary how eloquence doesn't always go with logic and ethics. People following law only from fear of punishment are scary.

    • @charlierose1842
      @charlierose1842 Год назад +1

      THIS ⬆️💔

    • @FS-ms2md
      @FS-ms2md Год назад +2

      He was logical.

    • @jakeshota4050
      @jakeshota4050 Год назад +4

      He was the most logical person that i have seen Ed debate. Usually people claim that Ed "got them or beat them". This guy couldn't be persuaded and Ed didn't have a clear vegan solution for some of the claims that he made.

    • @Miritaxox
      @Miritaxox Год назад +3

      Exactly, I think there is a psychopath hiden there💀😨

    • @sofiebrammer1482
      @sofiebrammer1482 Год назад +2

      @@FS-ms2md
      He was logical, but some arguments were based on assumptions that at least I would not necessarily agree with.
      This whole "people only do not do certain things because otherwise they would be punished"-thing for example.

  • @IsaacWale2004
    @IsaacWale2004 24 дня назад +1

    This is an absolutely excellent debate!

  • @mememefinally
    @mememefinally 4 года назад +756

    I guess you could justify doing pretty much anything if your attitude is "none of this matters in trillion years"

    • @bobkundi8858
      @bobkundi8858 4 года назад +14

      Not if u know ur daughters daughters daughter daughter daughter daughter daughter daughter daughter is adorable and still alive 😁

    • @granchiocolcapello7171
      @granchiocolcapello7171 3 года назад +27

      Bob Kundi nah bro earth won’t be here in a trillion years

    • @KimFebriany
      @KimFebriany 3 года назад

      @@seercreators716 lol

    • @JamyOats
      @JamyOats 3 года назад +3

      @@bobkundi8858 or, to quote Busted : "your great great great granddaughter... she's pretty fine"

    • @neociber24
      @neociber24 3 года назад +2

      Pretty sure, I don't agree with that argument.
      But maybe I could agree with "If there had not been a problem until now, surely won't be a problem in trillion years".

  • @stefaniedai8669
    @stefaniedai8669 4 года назад +651

    I was prepared for the worst but got positively surprised.

    • @SplitGoose
      @SplitGoose 4 года назад

      The Meat Eater just admitted that the legal system is the only thing holding him back from harming humans. It's funny how people are so quick to discard any information that conflicts with their sense of the world. "I'm a meat eater and I'm not ashamed, so therefore everything that this fellow meat eater said is morally correct. Because he represents and reminds me of myself." - Stefanie Dai

    • @websters8665
      @websters8665 4 года назад +5

      @@SplitGoose this is relevant to the original comment... yes

    • @SplitGoose
      @SplitGoose 4 года назад

      @@websters8665 "positively surprised" Yes, it is relevant. You however are not.

    • @ironprejudice8903
      @ironprejudice8903 4 года назад

      @@SplitGoose ;(

    • @ExpectedEvil
      @ExpectedEvil 4 года назад +4

      SplitGoose No he didn’t, you completely misunderstood what he was trying to say and twisted his words. You’re not clever.

  • @McDylanNuggets
    @McDylanNuggets 7 месяцев назад +1

    Holy shit, this guy would literally eat people if it were legal... ultimate libertarian moment.

  • @jimdock9
    @jimdock9 3 года назад +54

    Huge respect to the guy who came onto the show with Ed! He doesn’t deserve any hateful comments he was very respectful and vice versa, I imagine most of us would have more in common with him than not.

  • @mkcapo8811
    @mkcapo8811 3 года назад +459

    -"This conversation was stimulating"
    That has to be one of the nicest debate in the century

    • @blackmarlin3166
      @blackmarlin3166 3 года назад +8

      Yeah surely the hardest ive seen ed had to work

    • @lucasryan4181
      @lucasryan4181 2 года назад +11

      This is probably the best one I've ever seen 😂 both were intelligent and respectful, It's really refreshing to listen to.

    • @wobblybobengland
      @wobblybobengland 2 года назад +2

      yes, two good guys.

  • @matthewjbradley
    @matthewjbradley 4 года назад +342

    "I can get behind the value of life..."
    "Humans and non-human animals are resources..."
    This bloke makes me nervous...

    • @Vrin137
      @Vrin137 4 года назад +22

      And, he was honest enough to say it out loud, the most dangerous ones pretend the opposite in public (e.g. politicians) but deep inside they think and act with that in mind!

    • @CPSPD
      @CPSPD 4 года назад +7

      Aidan BUTLER capitalism 🤝 dehumanising humans
      Good one

    • @dontfrown3593
      @dontfrown3593 4 года назад +3

      Do you work? Congratulations, you're a resource

    • @revacharlotte
      @revacharlotte 4 года назад +1

      he must be a pro capitalism colonialism

    • @revacharlotte
      @revacharlotte 4 года назад +1

      must be a pro global capitalism colonialism

  • @martamonika8787
    @martamonika8787 3 года назад +3

    This is the most intelligent and respectful debate Ive ever seen. Amazing!

  • @TheOwlQueen
    @TheOwlQueen 2 года назад +52

    I will say to the "meals got boring" point: that's all on your cooking skills. Look up veggie recipes and experiment! So many meat eaters eat the same boring meals over and over and don't have much variation in their cooking skills.

    • @hayleygodwin7705
      @hayleygodwin7705 2 года назад +5

      Agreed, I am a new vegan and I'm eating much more variety now, and am feeling so much healthier. Happier too then no animal suffered for it.

    • @1ramises
      @1ramises 2 года назад

      Diff is the meat tastes good and not like crap !

    • @PieInTheSky9
      @PieInTheSky9 2 года назад

      I mean it's not hard to look up meat recipes and experiment either. Both meat eaters and vegans can eat the same boring meals over and over.

    • @vasileteapa877
      @vasileteapa877 2 года назад

      My friend, how many people can afford to experiment on a vegan diet when the majority of people wake up at 5, wash their teeth and go to work, work= stress, come back at 16, 17:00.There is no time for vegan bullshit for this life.A vegan diet is good for people who do almost no pshysical work, or sit at home and do almost nothing all day but cook and eat every 2 hours.This diet especially for men is feminizing, look at the majority of vegan males with their feminized voices.

    • @TheOwlQueen
      @TheOwlQueen 2 года назад +1

      @@PieInTheSky9 Yes, but that's not my point. My point is that if you switch to veganism and the reason you quit is because the meals get boring, that's on you. You are the one making those meals. And that many people don't realize how boring their meal routine is until they cut out meat and realize they weren't making very many variations. But when you go vegan or vegetarian, you are essentially forced to learn to use new ingredients and methods of cooking.

  • @lounnah4719
    @lounnah4719 4 года назад +582

    People who blindy follow societys laws without questioning it are the most dangerous type of people

    • @everettmenard8250
      @everettmenard8250 4 года назад +9

      Lounnah I completely agree with your statement.

    • @nickgregoris
      @nickgregoris 4 года назад +1

      💯

    • @nickgregoris
      @nickgregoris 4 года назад +52

      @@FABIOof119 you talk a lot about science but link to none... Cite your sources if you want to talk science. Name the dozen nutrients you can't get in plants. Show studies that support your claims about fiber ruining the gut... I'll wait.

    • @jonahlevi3178
      @jonahlevi3178 4 года назад +35

      @@FABIOof119 a vegan diet prevents and reverses heart disease, obesity, cancers, arthritis, osteoporosis and prevents diabetes. and im not just making that up that is science! also animal products have acidic protein which leeches calcium from your bones!
      the china study is the biggest study of human nutrition in the world and it says a vegan diet is the best diet for all stages of life including infancy, pregnancy, and old age. a vegan diet is also the ONLY diet proven to reverse heart disease. if were meant to eat meat why does a very diet REVERSE the diseases meat causes?
      also that person is talking about how people just follow society even if society isnt ethical. for instance the same people who owned human slaves - still exist. and they dont own slaves now simply because everyone else doesn't. its not toxic to stand up for animals being raped tortured and killed. its toxic to pay for that to happen just because its legal. would you also try rape women if it were legal? its so simple. ❤

    • @jonahlevi3178
      @jonahlevi3178 4 года назад +7

      @@FABIOof119 lol! ok fat neckbeard i haven't eaten meat for 3 years and have no milk cheese or eggs (vegan) for 1. guess what! i have abs, im ripped af, definitely stronger than you! i can do human flag, gaining muscle, and youre just probably a fat f***ing neckbeard lmao. niiiiiiiice

  • @TJRDoss
    @TJRDoss 4 года назад +608

    After this... American viewers are going to be disappointed with the quality exhibited in their presidential debates.

    • @SirLogos
      @SirLogos 4 года назад +20

      Before this, after this, if this never existed, i would be always disappointed with our presidential "debates"

    • @Mark-xw5yt
      @Mark-xw5yt 4 года назад

      This is exactly what happened in the comment section

    • @TheWhills
      @TheWhills 4 года назад +6

      That’s the secret, Cap...we’re always disappointed

    • @thesnowflakediaries5267
      @thesnowflakediaries5267 4 года назад +1

      are we forgetting parlament?

    • @shellshockedbros4458
      @shellshockedbros4458 4 года назад

      After this?
      You mean before this?
      Idk I've always thought the elections were stupid.

  • @GRTVO
    @GRTVO 2 года назад +5

    Most people can never say "I like the taste and that's why I won't give up eating flesh."

    • @HutchHere
      @HutchHere 2 года назад +1

      I can and i do

    • @ritam3184
      @ritam3184 Год назад

      @@HutchHere actually everyone does say it. Fact is "the less u know the less you care" if you actually watched earthlings or dominions and still say that, then there is that though. Then u fullheardly don't give a fliying fuk, I will give it to you. But only after watching them.

  • @cupwave2
    @cupwave2 2 года назад +1

    This was surprisingly stimulating. I don't think I've seen this type of conversation go this well.

  • @angeliconda123
    @angeliconda123 4 года назад +155

    This is like a discussion between two equally intelligent but completely morally opposite people who are also civil about it. I am here for this.

  • @GregVidua
    @GregVidua 4 года назад +1219

    I had that kind of total apathy half a year before going vegan. In retrospect it was because I was afraid world is such a dump and nothing can be done about it. Veganism gave me hope. I hope this guy will find the spark too.

    • @SebastianMarelli
      @SebastianMarelli 4 года назад +75

      And these kind of comments give me hope

    • @NickBlackmore
      @NickBlackmore 4 года назад +24

      Awesome dude!

    • @WackoMac
      @WackoMac 4 года назад +25

      Well said man. That spark you talk about is a fascinating thing. When the light comes on it's like such a night and day difference. No pun intended.

    • @orpheusowlallearthlingsmat6076
      @orpheusowlallearthlingsmat6076 4 года назад +40

      At the end you could clearly see he was depressed and he was grateful to Ed for talking to him. He doesn't realize his current diet and attitude towards animals only makes him sadder.

    • @martalost
      @martalost 4 года назад +7

      Thank you for being open-minded, Grzegorz!! ☺️☺️

  • @StewartStewart
    @StewartStewart 11 месяцев назад +5

    The sign says "you". Why are we talking about Kenya?

  • @sunflower8227
    @sunflower8227 3 года назад +2

    i just got an ad showing a person packing meat, wow

  • @george_8825
    @george_8825 4 года назад +460

    Finally an actual DEBATE. Not something where it morphs into personal attacking and things that should be involved in a debate.

    • @99999george
      @99999george 4 года назад

      Yes, I'm so happy to see this. It's refreshing.

    • @99999george
      @99999george 4 года назад

      @Sachin how would it be a debate if you agreed with both sides?

  • @louisscudamore3071
    @louisscudamore3071 4 года назад +1723

    I don’t care about veganism and I never had. But I sat and listened to this entire debate and enjoyed it. I didn’t take any points in because I’m high.. but it was a great debate lads.

    • @felix619
      @felix619 4 года назад +95

      that's the spirit

    • @Zanabery
      @Zanabery 4 года назад +80

      If this doesn't represent the overall population I don't know what does 😂

    • @MrZoora23
      @MrZoora23 4 года назад +1

      😂😂

    • @isaacwallace123
      @isaacwallace123 4 года назад +6

      Relatable

    • @bryleandre3796
      @bryleandre3796 4 года назад +24

      i was sipping my coffee whilst simultaneously reading this, and it did not go well

  • @redrinn105
    @redrinn105 2 года назад +9

    This guy in a zombie apocalypse would be the kind of guy that would kill his neighbour's to take their food.

  • @Shade_fox
    @Shade_fox 2 года назад +2

    Thank you for actually having a calm discussion about your viewpoints with people. It's nice to see people actually talking, instead of screaming in each other's faces.
    (Not just talking about vegans there, for the record; People just -don't know how- refuse to calmly discuss "anything" if they have different views, anymore...)

  • @The_Pedal_Guy
    @The_Pedal_Guy 3 года назад +316

    Hearing the exchange: "Can I make a point?" "Yes, please you can, of course." was a minor one but arrestingly beautiful, none the less.

    • @Pollypockets313
      @Pollypockets313 2 года назад +10

      “Arrestingly beautiful” that phrasing is so nice

  • @77Shinmu81
    @77Shinmu81 3 года назад +1196

    Meat Eater: I haven't seen any cows fly to space.
    Ed: You haven't done that either.
    I absolutely lost it at this moment. ROFLMFAO

    • @catsittingcomfortably
      @catsittingcomfortably 3 года назад +18

      And eating GMO meats causes cancer

    • @skullyjones3548
      @skullyjones3548 3 года назад +30

      @@catsittingcomfortably dude, if you are outside in the sun for to long without sunscreen, you can get cancer, this isn't a good argument to use

    • @catsittingcomfortably
      @catsittingcomfortably 3 года назад +5

      @@skullyjones3548 GAZER GAZER! .... NATURE SO IN THE BUILDIN MAN SIMPLE hahahaha

    • @skullyjones3548
      @skullyjones3548 3 года назад

      @@catsittingcomfortably lmao GAZER GAZER😂😂

    • @BabyMango
      @BabyMango 3 года назад +1

      I gasped 😂

  • @ArcadeChristian
    @ArcadeChristian 2 года назад +3

    Choose empathy. Be vegan!

  • @deanlowdon8381
    @deanlowdon8381 9 месяцев назад +2

    Why do people in these debates always talk about other parts of the World? The question is why aren’t YOU vegan? Not why aren’t people in Kenya vegan!?

  • @mayalucia5915
    @mayalucia5915 4 года назад +1134

    At the end of the day, veganism/vegetarianism will always win the moral argument. One day I hope I'll be selfless enough commit to fully it.

    • @nicolausthothmes2325
      @nicolausthothmes2325 4 года назад +90

      Wins the moral argument, not the logical one.

    • @austinknox8088
      @austinknox8088 3 года назад +110

      Yes correct, veganism will always win the moral argument while an omnivorous diet will win the biological argument.

    • @nicolausthothmes2325
      @nicolausthothmes2325 3 года назад +3

      @@dryfter2021 I know this comment wasn't towards me, but what does that have to do with anything?

    • @vccv9785
      @vccv9785 3 года назад +24

      It won't.
      Morality and moral standards aren't inherently normative.
      A person arguing from a teleological or say a utilitarian point of view would have equally valid arguments as a person arguing from a deontological point of view.

    • @arnoldo8642
      @arnoldo8642 3 года назад +126

      @@austinknox8088 there is no biological argument we can survive and thrive either way (barring rare conditions of course) so its up to you whether you want to support the murder and torture of animals or not

  • @surajugrani1803
    @surajugrani1803 3 года назад +1670

    The "We're all floating atoms" argument is dumb. If someone cut off his limbs and as he was writhing in pain came up to him and said "Don't worry mate, we're all just floating atoms," I don't think he'd appreciate it very much.

    • @violetjade64
      @violetjade64 3 года назад +47

      lol exactly

    • @blackmarlin3166
      @blackmarlin3166 3 года назад +39

      If you like using science like most of these debaters you can't be more scientific than that we are nothing else but floating atoms moving through space and time and the only reason why we are even talking about this is because unlike all other organisms we were fortunate enough to evolve into an intelligent being. None of this will matter millions of years from now because what is certain is every species will eventually face extinction no matter what and all these ideas about morals and everything humans have will die together with the last of its kind.

    • @Ik3Devious
      @Ik3Devious 3 года назад +5

      First of all the animal has a quick death before slaughter

    • @surajugrani1803
      @surajugrani1803 3 года назад +163

      @@Ik3Devious Sure. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    • @angelus4620
      @angelus4620 3 года назад +54

      @@Ik3Devious sometimes. don't think those stun guns always work before the throats get slit.

  • @seanyoungman
    @seanyoungman 3 года назад +3

    Impressive debate here, great conversation, intelligent and respectful. In the end empathy wins it for me. Loving the channel Ed!

  • @BaristaWithADog
    @BaristaWithADog 2 года назад +1

    What a lovely debate. I appreciate how you both were respectful gentlemen.

  • @MishalMooreLover
    @MishalMooreLover 3 года назад +297

    Finally a debate that doesn’t leave me braindead after 5 minutes. This was very interesting to watch!

    • @kylezinho_
      @kylezinho_ 2 года назад +7

      Had me braindead after 10 minutes though

    • @entertainedsheep7668
      @entertainedsheep7668 2 года назад +4

      A debate that makes you braindead after 15 minutes

    • @20yrs_oldBlackGuy
      @20yrs_oldBlackGuy 2 года назад

      I'm very intelligent I'm questioning? Or have mental retardation.

  • @filiphedman4392
    @filiphedman4392 4 года назад +266

    This is one of the most calm and respectful conversations I have ever seen.

  • @mahmoudnafaa4030
    @mahmoudnafaa4030 Год назад +1

    Thank you for this rich debate. We need more discussions like this one, they promote understanding. It's good and very helpful to take into account the arguments of the ones who disagree with you.

  • @AnthonyTizzleMyNizzle
    @AnthonyTizzleMyNizzle 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for the work you do and the knowledge you impart not only to those you speak to, but to your fellow vegans. I learn a lot from you and you give me the confidence to continue on the cruelty free path.

  • @tyedyegypsysoaps5437
    @tyedyegypsysoaps5437 4 года назад +491

    Ed...continue these debates. You're making a world of a difference. You've changed my life and inspired many others to do so. ❤🌱💪🏻

  • @ALLZEE999
    @ALLZEE999 4 года назад +301

    Teacher: Why didn't you do your homework?
    Me: We are just floating atoms. *silently floats away*

  • @aceonfire11
    @aceonfire11 11 месяцев назад +2

    I'm pretty sure he has no idea what a vegetarian is.