Berkeley student is ready to debunk veganism. It gets intense.
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In today’s debate I end up in a heated discussion with a UC Berkeley student who defiantly tells me that he won’t give up eating chicken. The debate takes a series of strange and unusual turns and is filled with some very interesting arguments. How do you think it went?
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Ed Winters is a vegan educator, best-selling author, public speaker and content creator. Ed has spoken at over 1/3 of UK universities and at 6 Ivy league colleges, including as a guest lecturer at Harvard University in both 2019 and 2020. He has given speeches across the world, including at the University of Cambridge, EPFL, Google NYC and Google Zürich. In early 2019 he gave 2 TEDx talks, surpassing a total of 2 million views online. His speech “You Will Never Look at Your Life in the Same Way Again” has 35 million accumulative views online and has been given to thousands of students across UK universities.
In today’s debate I end up in a heated discussion with a UC Berkeley student who defiantly tells me that he won’t give up eating chicken. The debate takes a series of strange and unusual turns and is filled with some very interesting arguments. How do you think it went?
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my apologies for this, perhaps, too private question. have materials of animal origin been used during your blepharoplasty? asking for a vegan friend.
Hi Ed, I'm a meat eater but a question I'd like an answer to if we stop eating meat would be what do we do with the animals that we have solely for eating (chickens, cows pigs etc) do we just let them be let them fend for themselves against the world. Keep them in captivity like a zoo.
Also I'd like to hear your opinions on us humans having animals as pets as I'm sure you're aware of ethical points against us having pets.
This is a open question to anyone who's a meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan.
You are so pompous
@@markvega5036 🤣😂pompous because necrivores have nothing else to say? Non-vegans have no valid arguments in this arena. Imagine being mocked and condemned for being compassionate to all living beings. Sacrilege, I say.
regarding your debate with this young gentleman, I must say that I felt sorry for you. you seem to be getting out of shape and not what you used to be. even your arguments are in some way flimsy and underdeveloped.
actually, I was rooting for you. I always root for the underdog
Perfect example of someone that loves hating on vegans but lacks the intelligence to know why
This
Definitely this. 🙈 You can feel so bad that he just hates vegans 🤦🏼♂️
He should have said, "I don't hate vegan, I hate it when they portray non vegans in bad light, a lesser being, and I will stick to be non vegetarian". He is right, just that he doesn't know how to put it into words.
@@somad6997 just coz "some group or individuals, portray you in bad light, doesn't mean ur wrong/doing wrong and u should succumb". Bad argument. Black Americans were portrayed by white as inferior before the emancipation, if they heard someone like u, slavery will continue to be normalized (just extending ur dumb argument to a relatable example)
you just described sound like someone at my school😂
This guy is a perfect example of when a person cannot fathom his own stupidity.
That's an understatement 😀
Exactly, he might be one of the most stupid ones here
i'd like to know how he got into Berkley
It may be his first time encountering these arguments. They're hard to swallow(pun intended). Cut him some slack, he'll sleep on it.
@@T.H.E. it obviously wasn't his first time saying shitty arguments to vegans, like saying things like vegans are weak etc. A super ignorant and stupid bully. His interview is one of the worst on this channel.
This guy apologizing for saying a swear word while explaining murder is okay if it feels good was really funny to me. 😂
Exactly my thought 😂
Exactly
he still used the word immediately after tho
Murder is for premediated murder of another human you fool.
It’s not murder, abortion is
This student is so clueless, thoughtless, selfish and morally reprehensible, with no cogent points to articulate, I can’t even listen to him. Ed, you were wonderful as always.
The student should be on a watch list for real
This. Very well said.
Vegan are so weird!
Not really Gen Z just doesn't deal with crap. Lot of this moral crap is from my pathetic generation. Gen Z is literally "another animal" entirely.
@@bizznick444joe7Gen X has nothing to do with it. This guy is just stupid.
"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person." - Bill Murray
Ed ed somehow still managed to do it 😂
OmG!!! I’m committing this to memory!! So true and I love me some Bill Murray…thanks for the laugh!😂 Like I said tho, maybe, just maybe, this guy went home and figured out how to do the right thing. I hope I’m not wrong…🧐
That kid made my brain hurt.
Shake your nose
The comments is just. He said something you don't agree about "let's attack him" thanks earthling ed. "He's a meat eater so that's ok because he enjoys making animals suffer"
Imagine failing to get a spot at a university because this guy got it instead.
How does that work anyway? He lives in Africa and applied to go to an american University? Isn't that expensive?
Top comment!!
Hahahahah this comment is gold
I can't even imagine😂
🔥🔥🔥
The perfect example that you cannot study intelligence at university.
Sure you can. That's what universities are for, studying things.
@@mackhomie6True although I think maybe he meant you can’t fix stupid but I could be wrong
@@Mrbrycejames no, you're right, I was just being pedantic.
Chicken has 20g protein(100g)
Chickpeas 19g protein (100g)
You don't need to kill someone just for one extra gram of protein
I agree that we don't have to kill someone for protein but nutrition is more complex than that. Proteins differ from source to source and our digestive systems cares a lot about where those proteins come from. Unfortunately (as a vegan myself) animal proteins can be used more efficiently by our bodies. At least I heard - I'm not an expert. In the end you can, of course, still get enough proteins from plant based food but you can not simply look at the raw numbers. Does someone know more about this and may enlighten me?
he is not killing only the chicken, he is killing himself with the extra fat and cholestrol he gets from the chicken. they dont even have the idea of scale of ignorance they are soaked in
@@NR-EDIT you're right that not all proteins are the same, like chickpeas aren't a complete protein to comparing them one to one with chicken isn't very fair. that doesn't mean chickpeas aren't a good source, you just need to make sure to get protein from multiple different sources so you can meet your need for all the essential amino acids
@NR-EDIT chickpeas aren't a complete protein but that's why our meals contain variety. no one is eating just a bowl of chickpeas. when you include variety however you're able to make combinations that offer all nine essential amino acids like beans and rice as a combination.
@@NR-EDIT our body make chick peas complete protien
This guys' an example of why some people need a religious book to tell them "murder is bad" "don't steal" "rape is wrong".
What an absolute psychopath.
LOOOOOL this comment is amazing!
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Don't diss all of us because one religious person is an idiot. That's as bad as him generalizing about vegans. People love religion for various reasons, many of them valid, and whether religious or not this guy would be an idiot. Please stop insulting entire groups of people simply because you disagree with them.
Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
Not a psychopath. People need to stop using this word reflexively. Some people are just stupid. Smart in a limited way, maybe, but basically stupid. Don't assume malice where intellectual laziness makes more sense.
I love how he apologizes for saying "shit" while telling Ed it's a-OK to kill a human lol
Good point!
because religions bash people for cursing but killing a human is negotiable
it was great when he apologised for saying shit, and then immediately said shit again
😆🌱🖖🏼
@@alreadyvegan Do you mean he said "shit", or he said shit? Because they both work!
I’m genuinely confused, how did he get into Berkeley? Why did they let him in? LOL. Yikes!
His family must have donated a building or something.
Why are you discriminating against stupid people ?. Whats next downsyndrom people ?. Discrimination you biggot...... I hope the left woke wont attack you =()
He's a janitor...
Because he is an immigrant
@@withgoddess7646 😂🤣🤣🤣☠💀
"I play sports, I need my protein" 😂😂 Dude the Wimbledon final was between 2 vegans, and I dont think you play more sports than them. I would love to see Ed refering to this.💚
True
I didn’t know novak is a vegan
Vegans can be strong and healthy but they need to commit to a strict diet. Extremely hard. The average person wont be able to get all his nutrients without some sort of pills.
@@plastifiedmetal5682 Meat is not some magic that has all nutrients lol as you said it takes effort to have a "perfect diet", no matter what diet you eat you should take a supplement, you're not gonna overdose on vitamins because of it.
@@plastifiedmetal5682 Its really not that hard. I became vegan from 1 day to another without any information prior to it. When something is missing you notice it and supplement it. Sure high performance athletes need a more controlled diet, but that is the same for omnivore athletes. There is no magic involved, if you are unsecure a 30 min RUclips Video answers all your questions. I really hope you don't consider that extremely hard.
This guy was insufferable. I could even tell that Ed was struggling to take him seriously.
Ed could talk to a rock and still find a way to patiently wait for him to express his opinion
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 these people choose to talk to Ed and make him look good lol
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 while you're probably right to some extant these people decided to sit down all on their own no one made them do that.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 he doesn't choose them they sit down randomly to talk with Ed.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Ed looks good *always* because there is no sufficient argument against veganism AND because he knows his shit. THAT’S why.
Like him, I am a Hindu student at an American university. I'd like to inform him that we can eat daal, chawal, roti, sabjis, chilla, upma, poha, idli, vada, dosa, uttapam, papad, salads, vegan raitas, chutneys, chaats, pakodas, samosas, paani puri, jhaal muri, kachori, pav bhaji. He's making terrible excuses for his terrible obsession with carnism, which is 100% morally unjustifiable in his case.
He manages to get into and attend a university halfway across the world but can't manage to find meat free options despite apparently eating them 3 days a week for his whole life?
@@hayleyk2960 Well, it’s something he may have never been interested in. Before I went vegan, I had no idea what vegans or even vegetarians ate. Thus, he most likely never researched it because he liked meat too much. 😏
Thanks for this perspective, it is an important one.
Unbelievable! You made me hungry🤤
I just Google imaged every food item you just listed that I've not had before and I want every single one. 8-) I've had salad, chutney, and daal but didn't know the names of the others. They all look great!
"You can't kill a human."
"Okay, but what if it feels good?"
"Well, then you're free to do it."
What the heck?
This dude is changing the definition of civilization 😂😂😂
I legit said "What the fuck out?" loud the moment he said that...
@@voiceforanimals8457 And his argument that only intelligent creatures deserve moral consideration puts him in danger...
@@plurabelle5 iykyk😂😂😂
Yes you can kill the human and face the consequences.
Why is this so hard to understand. Just don't know if it's worth it to do it if it just feels good. I have to question Ed for even saying this. Does he secretly feel good killing people?
How does this guy survive everyday life?
Such extreme stupidity is scary beyond words.
I imagine his answer would be "No clue whatsoever!".
Ed's patience is out of this world..
Does being vegan automatically make you a good person because you made the more "moral" decision on reducing less animal suffering?
@@beeeean my comment was just regarding his patience. If you watch many videos of Ed, you see the insane disrespect, how many try to ridicule him or even insult or threaten..
But no, it doesn't automatically make you a better person. People are simply born into eating meat, and have no connection to the suffering industrial meat production causes. It's not about suddenly being a morally perfect person over night, but eating plant proteins instead reduces animal suffering and negative impacts for the planet tremendously.
+1
yeah he has so much patience. if I tried to do what earthling ed does id end up on the 6 o clock news
@@beeeean It definitely makes you better in regard to this decision.
Imagine finding out this person got accepted into university and you didn’t 💀
Does being vegan automatically make you a good person because you made the more "moral" decision on reducing less animal suffering?
@@beeeean Well... A vegan can acknowledged animal suffering but maybe cannot acknowledge other moral problems hence not doing the moral choice for other things... So, it doesn't necessarily make you a good person, because "good" is difficult to define anyways. BUT, if you acknowledge any moral issue, not only the "killing animals for food wrong", but still keep making the "wrong" choice, it's up to you but... Do you personally see virtue in these choices?
@@beeeean So... If vegans say they are superior, well, they are being scumbags because nobody does everything "right" in society... But well, murder and rape is wrong so if you do it... Is it okay, is it nice?
@@beeeean Who's talking about good and bad? The OP was putting into question how someone like this person could get accepted being as obtuse as he is but other smarter people can't.
Its ok, it just means he was better at regurgitating expected answers than you! 😂
19 minutes in, he's basically telling us he is willingful ignorant and doesn't have to question anything
15:14 The look of ill-deserved confidence that every carnist gets when he thinks he’s about to ask, for the very first time in humanity, ‘do plants feel pain?’
Hahahaha I love that look, when they think they are about to mic drop you with info they think you have never heard before. We have heard it all before. I've been vegan for over 8 years and I've heard every argument over and over in every iteration. They think they've gotten over on us, but it's just the same predictable cognitive dissonance.
😂
It is a valid argument though.
@@henrikpetersson3463 Yeah, but listen to Ed's response - vastly more plants are grown and killed for animal feed than feeding humans, so ending animal agriculture would save huge quantities of plants from that hypothetical pain. If plants feel pain, that is an argument for veganism, not against it.
@@plurabelle5 The problem is that most vegans don't care about plants. How they are grown and how they and the soil they live in is treated. There is a lack of a wholistic perspective in the vegan movement. As long as it's not made of animals, it's ok. Anything else goes.
Vegans put animals above plants, just as carnivores put humans above animals. They are not very much different in that sense.
Guy: "Tofu is so boring. How can I eat tofu all the time."
Also guy: "I eat chicken. I eat so much chicken. I eat chicken all the time."
"Yeah you know chicken... you can cook it a 100 different ways."
that's because meat is tastier.
There are definitely far more ways to cook chicken than tofu. I think he describes tofu as boring because chicken tastes so much better and can be flavourful.
Chicken literally stinks and has no flavor without seasoning it with dried vegetable flakes (herbs) lol.
@@thoughtfulpro371 meat and vegetables are meant to compliment each other.
This guy represents basically everything wrong with this world. (P.S. I don't mean this literally.)
Yep.
couldn't have been said in a better way.
Uc Berkeley is a woke shxt hole what can you expect
so like 99% of the world which isn't vegan is stupid and vegans a small minority are the ones who are sane and right? That sounds like a cool world for you but it's false my friend. Must make you feel special that you're leading the world and everyone else around u is inferior but it's fake news and quite selfish that you're just ridding people's arguments
Precisely.
Wish people watch back their debate, realise how crazy their arguments are and how irrational they are
True.
Don't think that would help in this guy's case... He literally says he doesn't know why he thinks something but he refuses to question it.
Was just thing the same...
I am an India, Hindu and Vegan. I can confirm i have seen many of my relatives and friends who love meat try to justify it in the same way as this guy does. In short they have absolutely no clue but make random excuses by bringing in tradition, religion, and nutrition into it. Superb job Ed 👏👏👏 Your debate has inspired me to have a logical debate with any of my friend or relative if they try to justify it.
This is why I have been watching many of these debates by Ed and Joey Carbstrong recently as well as researching to solidify my point of view as well as the reasoning to why going vegan is a greater option on behalf of creatures upon our planet.
I too am a hindu and a vegan and I think it is very easy to become a vegan in India...
@@voiceforanimals8457 It's easy to become vegan but it's not easy to convince others to do it. A lot of them (like my family members) are like this guy, uncritical, unthinking, unquestioning, justifying it because "everyone else does it" or "I like the taste".
@@plurabelle5 people expect reality to be according to their own comfort. People call vegans extreme when they show animal murder or corpses, but they fail to accept that they are the ones who are eating it.
He is literally spewing so much nonsense. How can he have no idea what vegans might eat? He's running around in circles with such nonsense excuses.
This was like talking to a confused wall.
And somehow he got accepted to that school 🥴
@@stevengarcia3233 Some people are really dedicated to learning and memorizing of the essential material to make it into the school. Doesnt mean they spend time understanding others, exploring their moral compass, opening ones mind to new concepts and ideas, etc.. Most people arent okay admitting their biases and confronting them. For a lot of people school was a lot of molding oneself to fit in groups.. basically a lot of "fitting in" and doing what you are told to do because youre expected to.
@@stevengarcia3233
Worse!
He got carried in.
How can he see with his head so far up his arse? 💩
Becoming Vegan is like waking into a nightmare, you suddenly see how apathetic majority of the world is.
Being vegan is not easy. But that doesn't mean we should give up ✌🌱
I try and think about the individual animals saved by going vegan, and the occasional thoughtful and compassionate people who also make the change. Otherwise the true scale of animal exploitation and public apathy are absolutely too much to bear.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 your comments are pointless.
Omg vegans are so brave and saintly, you really are amazing because you eat beans.
For me it's less stressful than sleeping through it!
"I'm still eating my chicken" kids ego is hurt from being embarrassed from Ed schooling him while kid looks sillier and sillier.
Remember, it's his chicken!
hahahahhaa
Trust me his appearance is ridiculous and it's only downhill from there...
He 'loves his chickens so much'!! 🐓
He's too dumb to be embarrassed.
That Ed could stay calm throughout all of these 28 minutes is ultimate proof that he is the gigachad of all vegans. I have such an unbelievably high amount of respect for him.
Imagine thinking eating meat helps reduce the amount of farm animals. This dude is beyond oblivious to whats going on
did we watch the same video? This boy toasted Ed
@@niranjansinghdangi8397 I’m not a vegan but seeing you side with someone who’s bad faith and obtuse doesn’t make you look good.
@@niranjansinghdangi8397 "toasted" as in?
@@fuxinferior2195 he exposed Ed and all of his lies. I'm eating chicken breast right now
@@niranjansinghdangi8397I have little interest in what you are eating. The fact that you assumed it makes any difference to me says more than enough....thanks all the same halfwit
The fact that these people get into college baffles me
Haha welcome to modern America!
not a good argument my friend. College just brainwashes you in many ways. Why do you think colleges support veganism and all other leftists and modern liberal agendas?
@@MrJavacash …what? Your comment is not relevant at all. The person in this video claimed he had a lifetime of cultural conditioning… and this is a highly liberal school…
Non whites/East Asians get into university easily.
Its case of bums on seats. Anyone can get in these days.
You can tell by his answers like "murder is wrong because it's murder" and "what answer are you looking for" that this guy doesn't do much thinking of his own. Just gives the answers that he thinks are acceptable because that's what he's been told, it's a shame really. Great work as always Ed
when he said he said 'I work out I need protein' I litterally laughed out loud. guy's tiny and I'd love to take him to the gym throw 120kg on the bench and see how his chicken arms hold out... personally I've not eaten meat in 6yrs and it hasn't hindered my lifting at all.
I don't even do sport and I know I can take that guy anytime of the day even though I'm twice his age and haven't touched an animal product for over 10 years.. at this level of "workout" he's at I'm not sure you even need to eat at all lol
Name one vegan athlete who's No.1 in ANY strength sport.
@@themadtitan728 I hope you caugh last years Wimbledon final. It was a good one.
@@mitchellkirkpatrick5714 Tennis is not a strength sport. Lol.
@themadtitan728 depends on what you mean by strength? Are we inly classing power lifting as a strength sport, or do we include the boxers and mma fighters who are vegan, etc. Basically, your argument is stupid. Also of the worlds population only around 10% of it is vegan, and yet there are still top-tier athletes who are vegan. Also, if strength is important to you, how much do you bench?
"Killing humans is wrong because they might help solve global worming". Signed, the smartest species.
WTF?!!
could have even went down that line. "why is global warming bad?" i wonder what his answer would have been.
@@davidsheriff9274 Yes. We've just all been taught the lie that humans are superior just because we have thumbs and bigger brains.
so the guy does not understand the correlation of climate change being partially worsened because of the meat and dairy industry? a university student everyone
It's actually humans causing global warming.
@@shro_okee Not just any university but the one associated with the most awards and prizes out of all public universities.
This guy is the real life impersonation of an internet troll
He’s probably a redditor
100%. He is the reason I value animals over humans.
I am screaming inside soooooo much listening to this guy.. I can’t.. bless Ed for not ripping his eyes out.. wow
so you only care about animals who don't give two sh*ts about you but not your own species?
and harm only non vegans?
I thought the murder of all animals is against your religon/cult. but I guess whittling down the non vegan population would be alright with your non sustainable non nutrient agenda
@@coloradostatesenatorsteven7443 Animal agriculture is the second highest contributor to the climate crisis after fossil fuels and above all the world's transport emissions.
What do you think are the positives for animal farming?
I'll wait.....
It wouldnt prove that veganism is moral...thats why.
Once, before I became vegan, I was at my uncle's house with my Thanksgiving dinner laid out in front of me: turkey, stuffing, cranberry, mashed potatoes & gravy, yams, and I noticed my uncle had forgotten to serve me a liver, so I pointed out "I don't have a liver" and he replied "Yes you do. You'd be dead if you didn't." While I thought his response was hilarious back then, it doesn't seem funny at all in retrospect knowing now that the poor turkey's liver was not mine to eat, any more than the rest of the poor turkey.
I love this.
This is just a very ignorant man arguing with bad faith and intense bias. He has no interest in the debate itself.
I felt the same way…he wasn’t taking the debate seriously
don't you think veganism is the most bias thing ever? Omg the fact that you don't realize that is crazy. Many vegans first get emotional over animals getting stabbed then start reading into nutrition studies, why'd I trust them? That's not the world u wanna live in anyway and u won't believe it so everything ur analyzing is probably wrong
@@MrJavacash I have an honest question for you. Are you familiar with the United States Civil War? If you are, do you think that the Union was "biased" for wanting to free the slaves? Were they just too emotional over innocent people being enslaved?
@@Jigglypoop97
Lincoln couldn’t give a shit about freeing the slaves. All he cared about was keeping the country together, whether or not that meant keeping or free the slaves.
Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
This guy will be a “professional” in something in 4 yrs. Which is why you should always get multiple opinions.
Probably gender studies or some other BS.
Exactly what I was thinking...😕
@@Cowz19999 Whats wrong with gender studies? Are you a STEMlord that believes sociology and the humanities are fake?
Lmao
This comment killed me
"Human is a separate caste." RIP 💀 Wow, the man is still thinking within the caste system...😩 So much work left to do. Possibly the worst person to be interviewed by Ed so far. Insufferable.
according to the caste system he is referring to meat eaters are considered the cruelest and lowest. maybe he should look into it.
He is typically confused Hindu who has bought into western bs about high protein diet and meat consumption- he is also confused about caste system as you are.
@@Ganpignanus They're not considered the lowest because dominant castes care about animals. Dominant castes treat animals just like they treat those meat-eating lower caste people, as vermin, as pests, as polluted untouchables. Except for when they ingest cow dung and urine as medicine of course. Because that's so pure!
@@sourabhgupta99he is an American, and he pretty sure doesn't know how bad the caste system is but he uses caste word means caste is still practiced by his family just like most NRIs do!
He tried to troll Ed but ended up looking like a troll to whatever audience surrounded him🤡
Shoutout to Ed for fighting through that one🫡
The fact that this guy couldn't answer why it's wrong to kill even a human is extremely concerning. The best he could offer up is that other humans might be beneficial to the environment. What a psychopath. Can't expect someone like that, who doesn't even empathize with humans, to empathize with animals.
You would be surprised how many people are just like him.
works in reverse too. many psychopathic serial killers have a history of animal abuse.
But that is not the exception it's the rule. When I debate people, 95% of the time those that are defending slaughter of animals will also defend murder, rape, genocide, coprophagy, cannibalism etc and they'll do it very casually. Anyone who does any kind of activism debating knows what I'm talking about.
To be fair a lot of people are like this. They behave because if they dont they will go to jail or their religion says so. They have never stopped to think why you should live a moral life.
@@r.m8146 100% this, becoming vegan has really made me see what a POS most people really are.
“So that’s humane?” “Yep.” “What does humane mean?” “Not a clue.” 😂😂
I cracked up at this so much
@@devvyas6751 k
Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
„Higher intelligence“ 😂😂😂
When he mentioned this hypothetical unhelpful chicken..."Dang you, chicken!" 😡
Dude, how can he sit through this so calmly? He is a god.
I saw a first ever flash of irritation in his eyes. It was that bad...
The amount of patience Ed has is beyond comprehension
“You can be raised with beliefs and follow them. You don’t always have to have a reason.”
Everyone, this from an international student at one of the foremost institutions of higher learning in the world.
We are in deep doodoo.
Ya that part was something else
Yeah it clearly shows that intelligence and academic ability aren't necessarily directly related.
Some traditions are fine to follow simply to respect tradition but not when it's morally wrong or incongruous with logic. I'm Christian because I love the traditions. I also happen to believe it but regardless I would be Christian because I love the Bible and I love the principles I've learned. It's when something doesn't add up that we need to be able to question our beliefs and have intellectual conversations and think critically to come to conclusions. Hope your having a good day :)
Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
California doesn’t care about intelligence, they care about diversity appointments lol.
I'm twice this dude's size and never have to think about my portein intake while eating vegan.
Ten years going.
I'm not. I'm a tiny petite woman, 5'0 and 110 lbs. But I do calisthenics and rock climbing. Pound for pound I'm stronger than a lot of people I come across. I put money that I can do more pull ups than this guy. The protein argument gets so tiring. I've been vegan 7 years now.
@@SammieMousie Dang! I want to be like you. I'm 4'7 and 110 lbs. I need to get back to working out so I can get stronger and healthier and be a badass.
For me, it's life long. I'm old, and nearing the end of what would be an average American lifespan. That in spite of the fact that I suffered a severe disability from a drunk driver, and have had to face many of the problems that people with my disability have. You've gotta be getting a good amount of proper protein and many other nutrients to survive some of the things I've been confronted with, yet here I am. Taking it to the distance, and perhaps further. When I get invited to potluck dinners, I volunteer to bring the mains (not hard since everyone hates cooking mains and would rather bring a salad, pop, chips, or cookies bought at a bakery. I always take something vegan, and I always go home with an empty container and lots of requests for the recipe. When they find out how jaw droppingly easy and inexpensive whatever I've made is, I almost always have a shoe in the door. After the second time, when they know they're going to be satiated and not get hungry for a long time, I've got a convert, especially when they ask, "do you have more of those kind of recipes? They know I'm healthy even though my condition would suggest I shouldn't be, and they think that if I can make it in a little of no time that they almost certainly can too, and they're right. Even without fake meat vegan food can be better in all ways if you make the right things. You don't even have to evangelize. Let their tongues, tummies, bodies, and wallets do the evangelizing. The best way to convert people is to help them discover with their own direct experience how much better a way of life it is. You have a super in with college kids. Also, convert a lot of college women and you will have several generations won. It's the women who feed the kids, and in most homes it's the woman who decides what's on the man's menu. Teach women how to make vegan foods that will fill mens' needs and you'll really seal the deal. It's rarely hard to get women to eat vegan. If you can teach her how to make food that men will crave just as much as they crave meat, You'll have the ladies nocking down your door trying to get those magical recipes, especially if their quick, healthy, and inexpensive to make. I'll bet you anything he'd have made a convert out of the guy if, instead of trying to win and argument with the guy, he had have simply fed him something that he really liked and that left him craving nothing, then did it again the next week, and maybe one more week after that. Everyone wants to save money and feel better. Provide that for them and the rest will come right along. If no one is eating chicken, the chicken hell holes will dry up, and farmers will grow human feed instead of chicken feed, including the farmer who used to grow chickens.
do you even lift bruh
@@SammieMousie I've been vegan all my life, and at 74. I'm not short on protein. I do make sure I get both rice and beans within a 48 hour period of time, and that seems to have covered it just fine. You don't get to be my age having had a healthy baby along the way by being anything deficient. Anyone who thinks that veganism is an unhealthy life choice doesn't know what they're talking about. It's baloney. But ya can't beat 'em by arguing with them. You get it across to them by feeding them really tasty, very healthy, inexpensive and easy to make vegan food. They eat it enough and like it most of the time, and they'll convert without an argument. They'll do it because they choose to, and that's the way to make a permanent convert. If vegan food is better and more satisfying in all ways, they won't want meat. Feed them food that ticks all the boxes and they'll give up meat. They'll have no reason to, and will on their own choose the better option. It honestly is that simple. I've done it. I've got ideas to share if anyone wants to commit their life to making a real change. It really can be done, and if enough people do it, we will eventually reach critical mass, and at that point most people will be vegan for all the right reasons, and the folks raising animals for meat will have to turn to more profitable ways of making a living. Instead of growing chicken feed, they'll grow people feed.
Not sure if you'll ever convince any of these people, but you certainly make me feel better about my own decisions. And thank you for maintaining kindness with these people.
Imagine eating plain chicken and thinking it tastes good without any plant spices lol. BuT ToFu iS bLaNd!
Daaaaaaaaaang, good point!!!!! Ed should've said that
"I'm obsessed so it's a necessity". Bruh I hope he doesn't use that to justify everything in his life because wtf
Gen Z are different. They're based as fuck
It's not Gen Z. It's this guy.
I'm feeling a tad bit un-easy knowing someone like this walks around in society
Yeah the goverment should start doing morality tests on adults
@@alienmapping3536 are you serious? 😂
@@alienmapping3536 it's all fun and games until conservatives add christianity to the test...
@@maurice8180 yeah why
oh I think you would be unpleasantly surprised of the quantity of 'this kind of people' in society.
Perfect evidence that not all humans are smarter than a chicken....fair play Ed for remaining calm ..as you always do.
What an infuriating human being I cannot fathom how someone can be so ignorant. Thank you Ed for keeping calm, you exposed me to the horror that is the meat, egg and dairy industry and helped me kick start my journey to becoming vegan through your videos. Thank you ☺️👍
This dude: "We are supposed to be the smartest species on the planet"
I am not so sure of that after this video lol
I was not so sure of that before this video either.
Boom roasted lol
Meat eaters are, eating meat made our brains grow
@@llamatreee okay? lets say that is actually true. Factory farming is still one of the biggest contributors to global warming and probably one of the easiest ones to fix (relatively speaking).
It doesn't matter how big our brains grow when nature is eventually going to rip us apart because of climate change lol
@@blacksuitedsonic I’m not obsessed with human driven climate change, I think it’s exaggerated for the purposes of taxation and to hamstring western economies. Anyway, without a global consensus we aren’t gonna make any kind of impact.
OOF, this was PAINFUL to watch. The sociopathy & narcissism is just SO BEYOND blatant, but I couldn’t look away lol. Great job as always, Ed !!!
Wtf uc Berkeley is doing ? What are their admission criteria ? Critical thinking is ofcourse not one of them.
@@DhruvPatel-zg1zs they saw his pic, saw the kid was brown and had an accent, the campus was trying to be more “inclusive” so they scooped him up. Lots of colleges are like that, pick you only because your a minority.
it's not sociopathy he's thinking logically vegans think with emotion get affected then start interpreting research incorrectly and selfishly invalidating other peoples arguments, learn something!
I think he's just blatantly stupid. It's ridiculous that he cannot even answer the most simple questions
@@Sayydz That's some nice racist hearsay you've got there.
Wow! How'd I miss this one? I wish Ed had asked him what he was studying at Berkeley. I'm speechless ...
I can not get over how insanely daft this Berkley student is. I admire how Ed can keep a straight face and carry on the conversation.
Good to see Berkeley intake standards are so high.
The funniest part of this video is how he's arguing that you shouldn't kill someone because they could solve global warming, while if everyone went vegan, global warming would be essentially be solved.
Yeah, hoped he mentioned that
Actually, if everyone be vegan, it still wont solve global warming on the long run. Other industries and other greenhouse gas sources still causes global warming, it is one part of the solution, but not the entire solution to global warming and climate change.
Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
Greenhouse Earth is coming eventually. Can only try to postpone it.
A lot more funding should be going to learning how to deal with the inevitable disappearance of the ice caps.
😂💯
Hahaha I love you Ed. Vegans can never lose an argument, not because we're big headed or arrogant, but because no matter what anyone says, eating animals unnecessarily is just wrong, and if you do knowing so about the cruelty, you have to feel bad about yourself. We just need an advocate to put this into words, who isn't afraid to go against the people highest in the industry and defeat them. Thank you Ed.
You are sounding like a narcissist. By saying you are always correct
Except most vegans have no problem butchering an "animal" as long it is in the mothers' womb. You are very easily beaten, hypocritical people. For you vegans it is not about the animal, it is about the place where the animal gets slaughtered. If it is outside the mothers' womb it is not ok, if it is inside the mothers womb most vegans have no problem promoting murder.
Vegans want to close all slaughterhouses, except it is a slaughterhouse for pregnant women.
HYPOCRITES!
The composure and patience on Ed to have these conversations is an absolute superpower.
A clear case of someone being unable to admit that their argument is wrong, while inadvertently admitting it later on when the discussion takes a different path. Ed did a wonderful job revealing how this guy’s views kept becoming contradictory
The moral implication regarding animals is not worth giving up the juicy steak. And if you do give up the meat, i assure you, you're still a shit human. Over population isn't a thing. All weak arguments.
@@Sal3600 Overpopulation isn't an argument made by vegans, though, it's always made by meat eaters. It's either "the problem isn't meat consumption, it's that we have too many humans" or "we have an overpopulation of animals, and if we don't kill them, where are they gonna go?".
The size of humanity is a problem only if we keep our current habits of consumptions, for instance eating as much meat as we currently do.
Seems like his intelligence fits right in with everyone walking around in masks. 😂 Just think about the fact that this guy was accepted into this university and was allowed to move here for it, instead of a citizen having the spot.
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@@anti-ethniccleansing465 Diversity appointments wooo
The cringe is nearly unbearable.
they are looking for smart ppl, not vegan hippies who are vastly unintelligent about life.
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Don't be so harsh on Ed. He's pretty good.
@@Cowz19999 That comment obviously did not refer to Ed.
Fact.
Hey Ed! Big fan here! I'm gonna turn 2 yrs vegan this year and honestly i have 0 regrets ever since i decided to give up meat. It has been an incredible experience and i've learned so much about the respect we must have towards all life and the way society tries to sell us the idea that eating animals is right when it is simply insane... I've become a great fan of your videos and i have learned so much about veganism thanks to you. I admire the way you are able to keep with this conversations and with non vegans and their insane arguments, because it teaches me to be calm and address their points better. This video made a bit upset tho because i felt that he just ran out of answers and started running in circles.... either way i enjoyed as usual and still was able to learn from it, thank you! Greetings from the Republic of Panama
Thank you Ed for your, seemingly endless, patience. 🙏💚
My eyes have rolled to the back of my head after listening to this guy for 30 minutes. People like this are the reason we're screwed as a species and taking the rest of the world down with us
You did well to get to 30 minutes, I was eye rolling at about 30 seconds!! 🤪
Wow I couldn't listen to any more than a few sentences, ugh..😞
I really really struggled with this video. 🤣
Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
Justifying and saying its okay to rape, mutilate, murder because theres fun or food in it........ I immediately just thought he's a lost cause or a troll.
THIS is a UC Berkeley student? Wow, how embarrassing for them. Zero critical thinking whatsoever.
Not a good school. USC way better
Bless you Ed. Your ability to be calm and logical and respectful of others in the face of cognitive dissonance, willful ignorance and downright stupidity is so admirable. I love how you always drag them back to the point when they try to go off on tangents. You are truly a gift.
Mental gymnastics should be an olympic sport. I could watch this all day.
"A human could be potentially beneficial in solving global warming" Well, one of them is sitting right in front of you and you are arguing against him ...
Exactly what I was thinking! The irony!
Irony at its finest.
:D thank you!
Wow this person is literally paying to increase global warming and he wants others to solve it…. How could someone be so hypocritical
He is making it up as he goes along. This is because he is internally conflicted and making excuses for his actions. Well done Ed for continuously bringing him back to the point at hand.
As usual Ed I an answer for everything he was throwing at him. And not much of what the guy was saying made any sense did it?
he's not conflicted, classic "omg u have cognitive dissonance!" hahah its just because he has a different opinion than you doesn't mean he's conflicted! He has his reasoning and facts
@@juliewake4585 It was difficult to watch. I like to think that he will watch this back at some point and muse over his arguments.
@@MrJavacash "He has his...facts" but they weren't facts though were they?
@@dt261 he did seem very much to be “obsessed” with “his “ chicken.
"you can be raised with beliefs and follow them, you don't always have to have a reason." I am so frustrated as to how to have a conversation with someone like that. Ed, you are a saint, and I am so thankful to have someone like you in our community. Just bought your book! Looking forward to reading it. Keep up the amazing work.
Ed's patience is truly astonishing. I consider myself a fairly patient person, but I would not have been able to put up with this dude.
Mother of God, did this guy actually get into Berkeley?
Probably paid loads of money to get in
If he’s in, hopefully he flunks out. He’s dumb enough to.
He got in, and he probably belongs there too. It's just that beliefs he's held since infancy are being challenged, and when you do that to a person, they usually don't react rationally. It's exactly the wrong approach because it isn't eliciting a rational response and is shutting down an otherwise rational person. There are far better ways to win someone over than arguing with them,. but you've gotta make it so that it's his decision and that he owns it. Do that, and you'll have a convert for life, and you won't have to argue. There are a lot of really good possibilities for someone who wants to make producing that sort of change their life's work. Would you like to give it a try? I don't know what's going on in your life, and maybe you don't have the time or have other priorities to devote your life to. Or, perhaps like me, you're old and don't have much time left. But if you're interested, we can toss some ideas around.
@@Chompchompyerded How would you attempt to change this fellas mind if you were Ed then?
@@jackbicknell4711 I would do it the way I always have. I would cook the food for them , let them eat it and enjoy it, and give them the recipe to go with it. There are some extremely easy vegan recipes which are very inexpensive and at the same time very nutritious. College students are always short on money and looking for ways to save. They are also always short on time, so if you give them food and recipes which are cheap, simple, and taste delicious, as well as satisfy their hunger, they'll make the right choice all on their own. Also, it's best to target the women. Guys eat junk, and nothing is going to get a college age guy to eat better. But if you convert the women, after the wedding bells ring, she'll have a captive audience, and if nobody else converts him, she sure will! He won't have much of a choice. I've been doing this since I was in college almost 50 years ago, and I'll tell you, it works! I've got more people to go vegan simply by feeding them than anyone has convinced simply by arguing with them. Try it! You'll see. Don't expect them to make the dive right away, but after they've tried a few things they like and that they can make on their busy schedules, they'll change. Also, when you hand out the recipe for what you're feeding them, make sure to put all over it how much it costs per serving. That will really get their attention.
One other thing I did for awhile was to open a restaurant near campus where I charged only what it cost to make the food. I got funding from other vegans to cover the rent., and handed out recipes for what I was making with the meal. I also offered to bring anyone who didn't know how to cook back into the kitchen to learn if they wanted to. I had the lowest prices in the area, and the food was as good and better than anything else they could get in the neighborhood. In that little show I got more people to turn vegan than from anything else I've done. My goal was a strange one. It was to get so many people cooking vegan at home that it would put me out of business. The thing was, I was always ending up with a new crop of students coming in each year, so as the old crop began coming in less and less frequently, I'd have a new gang coming in each fall. From time to time I would ask some of my patrons if they had gone vegan, and almost invariably they'd say they had. Folks really will make the right decision if you prove it's the right decision through their tongues and bellies.
I burst into a loud laughter when he said that he thinks that murdering humans is wrong because the person that gets killed could have solved global warming! I-CAN'T-BELIEVE-THIS.
ironic isn't it x)
The mental gymnastics are strong with this guy.
‘For you it’s not there’. My heart dropped! I love watching you debate. So well spoken and we’ll versed.
Ed, you are so incredibly patient. I don't know how you didn't start laughing and saying "are you fking serious?!". You're an absolute hero for the animals.
If he's morally consistent, this guy basically demonstrated that he would fully support murder, human trafficking, r@pe, forced-breeding, abuse, forced confinement, etc., as long as one enjoys it and can profit from it.
it is your ideology. not his. i will never stop eating meat. only in your tiny vegan brain, you would muder a human, because i eat chicken wings
@@GarudaLegends As usual, you fail to connect the dots and understand simple concepts, troll Garuda.
Which part of that gave you the impression that he cares about being morally consistent?
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@Aaron Loos not an argument
This guy literally admitted to not even believing his own “beliefs” 😂
Spot on.
Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
Seriously 😂
Well, he doesn't eat meat on Tuesdays... you gotta give him that.
@@nvmffs 😭😭😭
I'm sorry, but can we just appreciate the way Ed deals with this conversation. Honestly mate, I am an incredibly calm person, but I would probably never be able to deal with this amount of stupidity without raising my voice up a notch. Pretty sure the guy had some secondary thoughts, even though he tried so hard not to show it.
Keep doing what you're doing!
Thank you for speaking up for animals.
It’s like… half the time in the video I’m gaining faith in the world from Ed’s patience and well put questions/arguments… And then I listen to the other guy. 😅
Lol I used to watch your magic content back in the day. What's the chance I stumble upon you here
Are you coming to vegan camp out?
same here ...
@@rasmus101ful Small world eh! Probably not tbh, I'm not really a festival person. I like watching the talks online afterwards though
@Ryan Robinett Well if you've got some against Veganism arguments I'd love to hear them. Yet to hear anything convincing. And a lot of arguments reference poor quality studies.
“Murder is wrong because it’s wrong”
That’s his religious framework at play. Tautology to the max
I am not angry him but I am angry on uc Berkeley. Wtf uc Berkeley is doing
Then complains about Ed creating circular arguments 😂
“The unexamined life is not worth living.” This guy mentions at one point that he has better things to do, but he had a chance to learn more in this 30 min conversation than 4 years of whatever BS he is learning.
He's just stupid. Hinduism doesn't just ban beef, but also promotes Ahimsa(non violence) towards all sentient beings and promotes vegetarianism.
As utterly frustrating as that guy is (and again, Ed shows incredible patience), I think that went well. Ed kept presenting him with his own "logic" and rationalizations and forced him to examine them, probably for the first time. He may still cling to them for a while, but it won't be with comfort because he will not forget that debate with Ed.
Ed, I'm so so impressed of your patience. I would've left this conversation already in minute 5 probably. We need more people like you that don't give up until they made their point. So much respect! Love what you do ❤️ #untileverycageisempty
This is better than any movie I've ever watched. Thanks for giving us life, but mostly, thanks for giving the animals life. Ed Winters, you are amazing.
It's got a better story than most popular movies 😂
Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
Listing to this guy's blind thoughts is proof of how most people are programmed to believe what they think it's their own way of thinking.
programmed? vegans are programmed to think veggies are healthy. Utterly insane. Many meat eaters came to their decision from logic reasoning and even after listening to vegans for a long time. its not "cognitive dissonance" as they always say hahaah
@ Arturo Jimenez after the 2004 tsunami washed salty ocean water over the northern Indonesia 🇮🇩 rice farming areas. Stupid humans started creating more inland fish farms , fisheries, and marine fishing boats 🚤 to feed starving people on Asia. Was that wrong? All those exploited animals feeding humans? Is that ok ??
NPCs the lot of them 😉
Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
exacto!
This is why going to college does not mean you are intelligent.
I admire your patience so much. Thank you for your activism.
This guy is acting like Ed forced him to be there. I seriously had to remind myself multiples times, oh no, this is voluntary.
This guy is a lunatic. The part where he says, in a sort of exasperated tone, "I'm coming with an open mind, I see where you're coming from" after literally just saying"If you want to become a murderer, kill people and eat them, go ahead" is incredible. Like Ed's the one with the ridiculous views 😂
When Ed asked "what is more valuable, taste or life" and he said "i want to say taste and i'm gonna say taste", that was the end of the video for me. It's just sad how people can be so conditioned and with such closed personality and mind, to the point they sound like a psychopath.
In a mad world only the mad are sane... We ( who choose to not inflict unecessary harm to sentient beings) are deemed insane and people like this guy are the norm and what's considered "sane".
@@Hesselgrenify Are you from Sweden?
Your name sound Swedish... :)
In that's the case "Greetings from Eskilstuna"
Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
putting morality aside, if you kill someone you can just keep killing people until you get into trouble. am I wrong? I'm pretty sure that's what serial killers are
Wow...that guy is in university???
Thank you so much, Ed! Dealing with those kind of arguments is surely not easy while keeping calm 😅
You have the patience of a saint dealing with this guy
Ed: So getting tortured, having your genitals ripped off, then having your throat cut in a slaughterhouse is humane to you? [paraphrasing]
Student: Yeah.
Ed: What does humane mean?
Student: Not a clue.
🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
Proceeds to explain what he means by humane, showing that he was lying.
So intelectually dishonest
i think he was trying to be smart
He literally ran away, can't believe he still couldn't understand after such a conversation 😤
I think Ed made a dent. I hope this guy thinks about it again the next time he eats chicken.
He did, he just wasn't admitting it
I believe it's just a case that he's one of those (and the're many) humans that will never have much empathy towards others, & certainly none at all towards animals.
@@PBandJames1 The only thing that was dented was this guy's ego. I guarantee you he will not consider the worth of an animal even once.
@@johnzackarias11 I hope not :(
“Have you ever had a conversation with a chicken?” 😂😂 The stupidity here is truly mind blowing
I can't stop laughing and suffering from this guy's speech, but I will go through all of it cuz I wanna hear Ed's facts.
For someone who is supposedly religious, he really does seem to find it difficult to answer the question- 'is it morally justifiable to kill a human?'
like George Carlin said, religions never really had a problem with killing, it depends on who is being killed and who does the killing
veganism is a religion, and vegans deny it
@@FruityHachi did any atheist voiced against sentencing to death? And urging Ukrainians to drop weapons?
He should have said YES.
@@MrJavacash explain?
This guy is just not all there, missing more than few screws
Yeah, he was ignorant and not capable of navigating the subjects.
An absolute brilliant display of knowledge. Thank you Ed!