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In today’s video I debate David, a meat eating student who openly admits to viewing animals as resources and whose responses to my questions lead him down a rabbit hole of contradiction. This culminates in an interesting reaction to me using his argument and applying it to a different scenario.
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It's always interesting seeing the responses people have when their argument for eating animals is applied to other examples of terrible things we can do to animals! What arguments would you have used if you were debating David?
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the real question is what's the point in distorting an argument so much that it no longer becomes recognizable and that you then claim that you managed to produce a decent counterargument
by the way, you did not use a controversial argument. all your arguments are like that, nothing more than a recycled appeal to emotions
@@v.a.n.e. Still "alive", b i t c h??
@@v.a.n.e.🖖
@@v.a.n.e. "Why are you not against slavery?
Yeah, so, I've been enslaving other people my whole life and I think it's a good source of income, I'm aware that there are other forms of income, and a lot of my friends are against slavery, I just think, in general, i just like to have someone else work for me, and in my opinion it's worth it in that sense."
If you don't understand this explicity analogy, you are an i m m o r a l human been.
So... YOU
The fact that some people would treat a dog differently from a pig helps me realize how the concepts of racism, sexism, and the likes were created.
Say's a Herbivore 😉
Cora Diamond wrote well about this
We love to play and cuddle with dogs. Not pigs 🐷
@@elizabethdavis2877 plenty of people keep pigs as pets, they are playful and you can cuddle with them
@@donolonisa5787 ????
You can literally hear the cognitive dissonance inside his brain. Like he knows he is not right but he can't make himself accept that he is wrong. So he is trying to find a reason and coming back to the same circular argument.
its very hard for atheists to calculate anything because they are missing such a huge part of the equation
that's the hardest part to escape - as soon as I accepted my cognitive dissonance the tower fell quickly... I do think it shows a greater societal problem of a lack of critical thinking these days though.
But why didn’t chose to do the right thing?
Personal convenience and social acceptance trump principled stances and consistent ethics for most people. It's been that way in the vast majority of civilizations
Very well said.
i switched from vegetarian to vegan because of you, and so did my gf. ty
I get what you're saying; yeah, we all make mistakes
@@animalsareherewithusnotforus
nej, även om detta inte är vetenskapligt bekräftat. varför frågar du?
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Great choice!
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Any argument for Veganism is controversial in the current world. 😂
honestly even just saying you are vegan will have people mad
@@Lucy-qj8ui when people realize they are talking with a vegan typically the first thing out of their mouth is that they supposedly don't eat much meat at all.
@@Lucy-qj8uiI dislike animal abuse and care for my health and the environment. That's why I'm vegan.
"PrOpAgAnDa!"
@@dylanhal Or when they say, "You're just trying to make me feel guilty."
I'm always like, "Nope, guilt comes from within when you have something to feel guilty for."
You don't feel guilty when someone runs someone over, do you? No, because you had nothing to do with it.
@@Gaming_Vegan_ApeI feel guilty when someone is run over, because if I was not as stupid as I am, I would still have my powers.
But no! I had to try out how it is to be human, and now I am caged in this stupid Watery sack of meat....
#NEVER!gofullhuman😢
I want to hear Max the Meat Guy debating against Earthling Ed now that would interesting to watch.
Fair play to the guy, he was honest and didn't try and argue against the indefensible. It's hard to make the right choice after years of just accepting what we're pummelled with in terms of advertising and societal pressure. Hopefully he'll think about this conversation and maybe make some changes to his lifestyle. Great video Ed, as always.
he still intends to go on doing the indefensible...
@@DoctorOnkelap Indeed, and that is so sad, but I hope that maybe just maybe the discussion will give him pause for thought at some stage in his life.
I think this guy has a fair chance to change. It took me a year of watching Ed's videos too before I finally made the change, eventhough I knew early on Ed is right and I didnt have a single good argument.
Yeah I agree.
He just might having Chicken drumsticks 🍗🍗 for dinner
With these videos It always surprises me that students in institutions of higher learning have seemingly never considered their beliefs about anything ever
Red pill: The most notable thing about established, reputable universities is the fact they've been established and reputable for a long time. The actual students, teachers and administration are just normal people who happen to be expert or ambitious *in their own fields*.
I wouldn't say that's the case. University age is without a doubt the age at which the most questioning of beliefs and questioning of oneself happens. Different beliefs get questioned at different times though so it shouldn't be expected that all of those at universities should have already questioned whether consuming animal products is wrong as that may just not have been the questions they've considered yet. I took until I was halfway through university life before I went vegan and I'm someone who likes to challenge my own beliefs regularly
I would say that the fact that these people stepped up to talk already gives them a leg up over many others who just never questioned it. At least he's somewhat interested.
It's also very mentally draining to think about everything. Much easier to follow those around you.
Mine changed in university is about who you meet and if they align with an underline beliefs to you. But universities is about grades and the subject matter. I think as more people enter these spaces they'll probably affect some students.
@@thoughtsandprayers They probably are not enlightened about veganism until they are made to challenge their beliefs in a talk like this.
"Why are you not against slavery?
Yeah, so, I've been enslaving other people my whole life and I think it's a good source of income, I'm aware that there are other forms of income, and a lot of my friends are against slavery, I just think, in general, i just like to have someone else work for me, and in my opinion it's worth it in that sense."
If you don't understand this explicity analogy, you are an i m m o r a l human been.
@@L-Del Because we, as a society, don't teach morality and ethics to children.
These are the hardest people to argue with because they know that eating animals causes suffering but they simply don't care enough. Ed did a great job here talking with an emotional brick wall
people just don't care enough to change. that's the sad truth and the conclusion I've come to after 13 yrs of veganism.
Agree and so disappointing the world won't get the truth out about the killing of animals which is not necessary for protein or a healthy diet for all of us.
Or perhaps people do but they simply choose different paths of change. Life is about so much more than choosing whether you should eat meat or not. We all have our own quests and you can't project your own personal quest on others. This is simply not a one issue world.
@@moladiver6817 the personal choice arguement is fine until your personal choices are effecting others. Then a person should put in more consideration into their choices. You can choose to be responsible for other living beings living or dying but even if you say "i'm just eating a burger what's the big deal?" you are still responsible.
@@anothernumber9753 Fine but none of that means you have to play the blame game. Typical for many vegans. At least the ones I met often ride too high of a horse.
Not eating meat means the world to you but you could also say you can afford to not have other concerns. Again stop projecting your own mores on others. Talking about it is one thing, blaming/framing others is a whole other. I am pretty sure I could find something about you that isn't quite 'right' also but you will never see me point a finger.
@@moladiver6817 all I’m saying is everybody who eats meat pays for it. You’re paying for that portion of the animal to be breed grown shipped and killed and you have the power reduce the suffering of other thinking and feeling beings if you want to. If you don’t want to that is your choice but you are still making a choice with consequences for others. That’s an indisputable fact. I’m not judging you as a person I’m only informing you of what you are paying for.
I would like to hear a logical argument for once. They never have any valid points. It's all "me, me, me".
There are just No valid or logical arguments against veganism.
I am a vegan activist, so don't get me wrong...
There is no single logical argument for or against veganism that applies to everybody. A perfectly valid argument against veganism is: "I don't care about animals, therefore I do what I want with them for my pleasure." There is no logical counter argument against such an argument, because one can not deny that some people are egotists. There is lots of hypocrisy in today's society, which vegans can point out, but ultimately there is no logical argument for veganism. Veganism boils down to compassion, not logic.
It is important to get this difference, because in your outreach you should know what kinds of arguments you can counter with logic and what kinds of arguments can only be be countered with an appeal to compassion.
@lobovutare actually very few people would actually admit that they are psychopathic animal abusers even if they eat meat. It's the disconnect that's not logical. What is done to animals is do horrendous you would have to be a COMPLETE SADISTIC MONSTER to actually condone it and watch that happen each time you eat animals. They are utter hypocrites because they don't SEE the horror before stuffing their face with dismembered body parts that no longer even resemble the animal and is nicely cooked and reshaped and marinated
To expand on what @lobovutare wrote: Not only is compassion the basis, being compassionate is, most of the time, in conflict with what people are used to, meaning their habits and the corresponding narratives/beliefs they hold. Changing your habits is not easy. Most people believe that exercise is healthy, but most people still can't be bothered to act on this belief, much less form a habit -- I certainly don't. If you know how the human mind works, it's not actually surprising that people argue against things that clash with their current beliefs and attitudes. And those are valid in their eyes, always. Of course it's "me, me, me" because "me" always comes first. Everybody is the main character in their own story. Many people don't even know not to treat other *people* (expecially children) as objects (of *their* needs).
So, I see it this way: For people to follow a vegan lifestyle, they have to discover their compassion for other beings, form a belief that those have value AND that their behavior affects them negatively, and *then* regard the value of those beings as high enough so as to change their attitudes. And only then are they willing to try and form different habits. With this many roadblocks, I think it's no surprise that people are resistant to changing their behavior.
With the "is the meal more important than an animal's life" argument, I always think of a KFC wing bucket, when I realise a chicken only has 2 wings. If you order 12 wings, 6 animals have died for your one unhealthy 15min meal.
Wow, never thought of that 😢
I'm so glad I quit this cruel behavior a long time ago
That argument doesn't hold true because the other parts of those 6 chickens also end up on peoples' plates. You basically share those chickens with other people so you shouldn't count them as 6 animals for just the person who eats the wing bucket.
@@moladiver6817 so what you're saying to devide the number of chieksn by the number of people consuming parts from those chiekcns and thats how many chieken lives they're responsible for ending? what difference does it make though? don't both the quran and the talmud say to save one life is as if to save all lives? who says we should get to choose which sentient beings are allowed to live and which ones are allowed to die?
@@moladiver6817 I don't think so, lots of people eat 12 wings on their own. But also, 6 chickens is the minimum amount who died. In reality, a 12 wing bucket can contain up to 12 different chickens, so 12 lives max. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the ratio of lives lost to people eating the chickens is. The ratio doesn't factor into the value of life or the ethical point being made.
@@anothernumber9753 The difference is that the point that was being made and that I answered doesn't hold up. I didn't bring it up
Ed is the champ at getting people to trip over their own words.
Ed is a looooooooooooooooooooooooser that fails to prevent Animal slaughter worldwide 😉
But in a non aggressive Joey carbstrong way
and the great thing is that he isn't baiting them to do it in a "ha! gotcha!" way, he's simply letting them do the talking, and then pointing out whenever they contradict themselves. I think that really helps with not portraying himself and the vegan movement as a sort of enemy who is out to get them. I really think the vast majority of people hold vegan beliefs in their hearts, but they just haven't been confronted with their actions.
@@Patrick17- Why do people think Joey is aggressive. I always find that weird, he is not
@@36ELRIC he is
Animal food addiction and the convenience or lazyness from humans in healthy food cooking and planning is the main reason most don't acknowledge veganism! Animals suffering is always hidden to reinforce consumption! 👈🌱💚💪✌️
@JB and it’s not even as if it takes any more effort to plan to eat properly plant-based than not.
It really is easy
Brilliantly said❤
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate Ed. And I’m not just talking about his unshaken debating skills, but how hard this guy must work. He owns a whole restaurant AND a whole animal sanctuary, AND finds the time to do debate tables, AND STILL consistently creates quality videos for his RUclips channel. And NOT ONCE have I ever heard a single complaint out of his mouth about being tired or anything. Bro, Ed.. idk if you need a break or not, but if or when you do, don’t be scared to take one. We can’t take care of others (animals) if we don’t take care of ourselves first 💚
You're right but what does the word "ass" add to your description of his accomplishments? It doesn't fit in with the glowing summary of the world's Vegan Jesus.
Agreed totally. I do not believe in gods but Ed is close to a god for me LOL.
@@withgoddess1119 ur right lmaoo I’ll remove 💀
I don't need a moment I always appreciate Ed.
I wish he would have a great life WITHOUT exploiting animals.
Ed being polite as always
the animals that humans enjoy the most are the most successful animals on the planet. people that believe in evolution should acknowledge that its in any species best interest, at this time in earths history, to be easily farmable and provide good yeilds. are other symbiotic relationships in nature 'immoral', such as an ant that farms and protects aphids so it can harvest their secretions?
@@chrisf2952 What lol
@@chrisf2952 please explain
@@Morgan34691 don’t feed the troll
He would have beefburgers 🍖🍖🐄 for dinner 😊
"being vegan is the right thing to do" "I prefer taking the easy way out" The guy is spelling it out for himself..
It's in the design of nature that some animals have to kill to eat. Don't say that "Animals do a lot of other things that we don't do". That's not my point. Animals do a lot of other things that are not necessary for their survival. But killing is necessary for their survival. My doubt is "How can something be a necessity for someone to survive in the design of nature and still be immoral?"
@@santhoshs9933 Killing is optional.. The choice is yours. We are clearly more intelligent than Lions, Tigers, and Bears oh my!
Well at least he admits it. I have more respect when someone just admits, instead of making excuses by trying to justify killing animals. He knows there is no humane way, he did say it over and over again.
Being Vegan is the most Shitty 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 thing to do
@@santhoshs9933by this logic killing disabled and elderly people is okay because it’s sometimes a necessity in the “design of nature”…we don’t live in the “design of nature”, modern life is our new design of nature, our life is not comparable to hunter gatherers. We do not exist outside of the design of nature.
Damn Ed! That last argument was a literal mic drop 🔥
I hope this kid admits his faults and aligns his actions with his clearly compassionate morals.
He admitted his faults. That wasn't the problem. It was lazy behaviour.
@@withgoddess1119 *and aligns his actions
The circles that people will walk in to try and justify the unjustifiableness are insane.
But this guy was very transparent. “I eat because I like the taste and I’m too egoist to change”. He went around the “humane” thing a bit but he acknowledged immediately every ethical flaw.
Animal meat will always be and always be food for eternity😊
@@donolonisa5787 you understand that by definition you are an animal as well... I don't eat dead body parts and you don't need to either.
The fact that his basic argument is that he “enjoys” eating dead animals, sounds so selfish, self serving, narcissistic and heartless! Ed, I don’t know where you get your patience from. Love you! 🌱❤️
I love eating dead animals, in fact I was born to do so.
Yes, it sounds selfish but at least he's very honest about it. Often people come up with all kinds of justifications that make no sense. Let's hope this conversation with Ed makes him think about this topic some more. The fact that he walked up to Ed is actually quite a good sign that he will. I was once quite similar to this guy but became vegan eventually.
The key virtue this guy has is honesty. With some self reflection an honest person being honest to themselves can change their thought processes and actions. With the level of conditioning society has put us all through in terms of normalizing using animal bodies as objects for our whims, it's obviously not going to happen immediately, one has to consciously detangle the web of lies and rationalizations we are all brought up into. All of these unconscious assumptions we accepted have to be dissolved.
That's just how almost everyone grew up, be patient with people, the can change, but also need empathy, as it is hard to change a strong belief, especially so fast.
We have to be empathetic, too. To tell him to his face that he is selfish, self serving and narcissistic would benefit neither Ed, nor the guy. It would probably actually lead to the guy thinking "Vegans are assoholes" and it would reinforce his behaviour. Only through reaching out with compassion and understanding can people accept change. Don't underestimate the condition a kid goes through that eats meat and sees everyone eat meat in movies. Some kids learn that they are eating animals when to go to school, because their parents never told them. It crushed me as a child when I learned that I have been eating chickens, before I was able to decide and understand if I want to.
Ed helps me hone my debate skills. I like pausing the video after every argument made by the other side and predicting what he's gonna say. Ed is the debate, logic, and patience KING!
I took the controversy bait but I am still unsure what part of your argument was controversial. He was the most disappointing type of person. The type of person that doesn't care enough to stop doing what he knows is wrong.
He doesn’t think it’s wrong
Probably the tranquilizing and assaulting an animal bit
sex and animals, that's the controversial bit.
If you bring up these topics in conjunction peoples brains will immediately trigger a "TABOO!" response, put you in the freak box and stop taking you seriously, no matter how much sense your argument makes. Now imagine being gay in Saudi Arabia lol
Be patient. People don't change their whole way of living in a day, it takes time.
"That type of person doesn't care enough to stop???" That type of rhetoric is part of the reason vegans have a bad reputation as being 'militant'. You expect people change their views overnight, and if they don't conform right away, you cast them out. How about you try to share some empathy for people as much as animals.
The controversial part was conflating rape to the consumption of animals. Both being non-consensual. It's contraverial because you'd have insinuate that the animal eater has been an immoral animal abuser their whole life, which can backfire. No one wants to believe they are the bad guy. It sorta worked, because introducing this argument caused him to concede that Ed was right. Only time will tell if he actually decides to conform his ethics with his behaviors.
Ed is so well spoken. Another amazing interview as always.
The part near the end where you say that his ethics are already nearly there, and it's just his behaviour that needs to change to line up with them, is a point that I think applies to most non-vegans.
What I hear him saying between the lines is that "deep down, you are already as ethical as me, you just need to be your true self" - very beautiful
I appreciate him taking the time to think and reflect and acknowledge his disconnect. It takes time to change a paradigm.
About 3 mins in with Ed he starts to become more honest - love how Ed draws out people's disconnect without antagonizing them!
Not only do the animals benefit when vegan but we do as well as we finally align
our behavior with our ethics cause living disconnected is an awful way to live
NEW AGE BULLSHIT IS SATANISM IN DISGUISE. RETURN TO GOD BEFORE JUDGEMENT
*Amigo Vegano 4 The Animalo!* ☘️💚☘️
*xVGNxPWRx* 🪬☘️💥💚💯💚💥☘️🪬
Animal meat will always be and always be food for eternity 😉
It IS easy to be vegan. It's only a matter of developing a new habit. A little bit of effort at first, but then it becomes easy.
He IS benefitting from being vegan, by avoiding cancer and many other diseases. It's not just a benefit for the animal, also for the person and the environment and the society (less cost for sick people).
Great video.
Thank you so much for what you do! You are saving the world!!! You are a hero!!❤️
Yes! Before I was vegan I also had the misconception that it would be this horribly difficult sacrifice. I used to say "I could never give up cheese/eggs/chicken." Turns out after a brief adjustment period it's the easiest thing in the world. Especially now that the replacements are so good that you hardly have to change your diet at all if you don't want to; just buy the vegan alternative.
Whether you're vegan or not, we all have our go to food staples that we buy from the grocery store or when we go out to eat. It just takes a little bit of thought to switch these out and then it's effortless. I spend no more time deciding what to eat than I did before I was vegan. An unexpected bonus was finding delicious new foods and spices that I never would have thought to try before. I eat tastier foods now than I ever did as a meat eater.
@@MosesMode That's so true. If I didn't go vegan I almost certainly wouldn't have tried ethiopian food, and now it's one of my (and my meat-eating family's) favourite cuisines.
@@Ed_McArdle I love Ethiopian food! It's delicious and also super fun to eat with your hands and scoop up all the different flavors with the injera.
HAHA ATTRIBUTES CANCER TO MEAT WHILE EATING PESTICIDE LACED VEGETABLES AND GOD KNOWS WHAT LABORATORY FAKE MEAT
Awesome 👏🏻
"Top of the food chain" is a euphemism for MIGHT MAKES RIGHT
People who try to argue against veganism get even more repetitive than in the last years.. it’s as if they themselves know they don’t have any other argument except ‘taste’ and circling back to the original ‘argument’ to not actually start thinking ‘perhaps I could try and change.’ Really peculiar.
Why does anyone have to change, live ur own life and stop expecting that
@@Killer24313Why should anyone be expected to allow other people to commit immoral acts? That wouldn't be a sound thought process for any other example, if someone was a rapist I wouldn't be overstepping the mark by telling them to stop raping people. Now, you may disagree with it being immoral, I would challenge you to come up with a coherant argument for how that is so, but you may. This doesn't change anything though, there are some moral issues that I disagree with, such as the idea that everyone should accept people identifying as whatever they wish, but I would never tell people who believe those that they should let everyone act and believe what they want. The only way to come to a conclusion on ethical issues is to discuss said issues and for people who believe there is an injustice to share their views and make everyone aware, that doesn't impinge on anyone else's right to do what they believe in
The only people who are going to sit down with Ed are people that are going to tend to agree with some of his points. Most people wouldn't even answer a question such as "Why aren't you vegan yet" since it implies that they need to justify them not being vegan, when they don't. If I was asked why I'm not a vegan I would simply answer that I need to eat meat and the argument is over. Ed's entire argument is premised on eating meat not being necessary. As long as you don't concede that argument he has nothing.
@@MasterMoron
But we don't NEED to eat meat given that the human body has no necessity for animal protein. The human body doesn't have a need for the amino acids from cows or dogs for example. So how do we morally justify harming these animals when there are plants to eat?
do you actually claim that, if it were scientifically proven that the human body cannot function without animal protein, that you would actually quit being a vegan? @@TylerSmith-hq8en
Interesting how some people can be so comfortable living their lives knowing they act so unethically... I bet this guy feels uncomfortable with his morals over the next few weeks and becomes vegan soon enough. Great video as always, Ed!
He will never become vegan. He likes meat too much.
Moral cowardice, exactly what the world needs less of.
He’s starting to get it. He’ll be vegan one day.
there's more than one way to skin a cat. in other words, there are many ways to be moral. veganism is far from the only way
@@v.a.n.e. I want to be like you. Just because I hate something, I should wait like a stupid for the relevant videos to be released and find comments that I can stupidly counter and be proud about myself...I don't have to care what is even being talked in the video....dude I want this life ... feeling jealous that someone is doing this time and again....😔if only I was as jobless as you....
@@santhoshs9933Vent that bitterness harder, damn. 😮
don't worry, mate. the level of your intelligence is already at a minimum, a bright future is ahead of you. you don't even have to try to understand what's in the video because it's beyond your capacity anyway. some people are used to doing and thinking the way they are told, why would you change that? it's not worth your time.@@santhoshs9933
He is a smart man trying to navigate and reconcile his ethics, beliefs, and actions. Ultimately smart people do smart things, and he's on his way.
not that smart if he made it only earthcuck eds channel. only the fools who dont destroy earthcuck ed are ever featured
@@thewhitedwarf3846 Fill us in. What argument would "destroy" the vegan stance?
@@stephenp2424 prove eating living things is immoral
@@thewhitedwarf3846that's not really an argument. I'll help you out since you're new to this. Let's think about innate traits of living beings that would make it moral or immoral to kill.
Compare a houseplant to a puppy for example. A puppy has a central nervous system which can sense "good" from "bad" and in consciousness can create aversions and fears as a result the fight or flight response. Even a young puppy knows they want to live and they do not want to suffer in pain.
A house plant has no central nervous system as it has no need to fight or flee. The organism has no care for whether it lives or dies for there is no consciousness to care. It simply is. There are passive defense mechanisms and reproductive strategies, but plants do not need to rely on self-preservation as their regenerative abilities do not require such evolutionarily and biologically expensive mechanisms which animals use.
So if we accept, assuming we are non-sociopathic people, that deliberately creating unnecessary suffering in those who can suffer is immoral in some way, what is the uniquely innate trait of some animals that makes it acceptable to cause them to suffer and die, but not other animals like puppies or kittens when they all suffer the same as we do?
@@thewhitedwarf3846 Morals don't play into it. A sentient being has the right to live it's life free of interference as long as they aren't needlessly hurting others. @ojk14325b explanation is also very good. See that's how you do it. You have a stance then you lay out your thinking for said stance. So again, what's the argument against veganism that you're keeping from us?
ed thinking about how to put that taste question time and again is so lovely❤
Animals want to live.
Ban Slaughter
Animals don't care. They know they are prey. It is their lot in life.
@@Betelgeuse2142Never heard that before! Hilarious, nice job bro 😂👊
the animals that humans enjoy the most are the most successful animals on the planet. people that believe in evolution should acknowledge that its in any species best interest, at this time in earths history, to be easily farmable and provide good yeilds. are other symbiotic relationships in nature 'immoral', such as an ant that farms and protects aphids so it can harvest their secretions?
@@lashedbutnotleashed1984humans are animals. Are you saying you are ready to die? Explain your words.
Only intellectually dishonest people cannot accept analogous comparisons.
except when comparisons are not analogous
@@v.a.n.e.luckily, in this case, it was
Raping an animal is purely for pleasure while eating an animal is for pleasure AND nutrition. but they will argue the nutrition angle to death because it sounds less sociopathic.
@@v.a.n.e. "Why are you not against slavery?
Yeah, so, I've been enslaving other people my whole life and I think it's a good source of income, I'm aware that there are other forms of income, and a lot of my friends are against slavery, I just think, in general, i just like to have someone else work for me, and in my opinion it's worth it in that sense."
If you don't understand this explicity analogy, you are an i m m o r a l human been.
YOU, you "are" i m m o r a l piece of s
that's a pretty risky statement. if you equate rape with meeting basic nutritional imperatives, then you might question the foundations on which your worldview is based @@DiegoCandel
“Why is raping an animal bad?”
“I don’t know, good question”
🤦♂️
If an animal rapes a human, is that wrong?
if in doubt, obey the laws. bestiality is prohibited by law
@@lashedbutnotleashed1984It’s messed up, idk if you can call it wrong since the animal doesn’t have any moral agency.
this is why atheists are so disgusting and immoral. why is raping animals bad? because god said so and he says you shall be put to death for engaging in it
@@v.a.n.e. So if it wasn't you would do it?
I appreciate that Ed got to the end bit because every time he talks to a meat eater they say "if it's humanely killed" yet they eat at fast food or cafeterias where there's no telling how animals are killed (spoiler: not humanely) so they can't even live up to their own values
I like how honest this guy is
Yes, and really humble.
Oh you mean...BRAZEN????
What a nice, polite young man. You gave him a lot to think about. I bet it will keep him up at night. Way to go, Ed!
He is a slave to his tongue, period.....he can eat something else, but he is just to selfish
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH EATING MEAT. HE WAS JUST TO POLITE TO EARTHCUCK ED TO TELL HIM STRAIGHT
We are all selfish to desires and wants. The key is recognizing boundaries of where our pleasure harms others and taking appropriate measures to avoid crossing them. This is a bare minimum courtesy people should make, the problem is they don't draw those boundaries for animals as due to social brainwashing we see animals as objects ("it") rather than non-human individuals
@@ojk14325b when you see the truth and do nothing to change, that is EVIL
The mental gymnastics of these people is exhausting
Great video Ed 💚🌱💚
Why do so many people struggle to admit they're wrong and confess they should change. It's so damn irritating.
Because most people are egoists and lazy thinkers. And so long as social pressure doesn't force them to change, their morality is mostly ad populum.
It's easy for me to imagine a world where most people are vegan and the script is flipped, just because it's normalized. It's a cowardly way to live life, but that's what most prefer. Because it's easier to go with the flow than put up resistance for a cause one believes in.
Because the ego holds on to itself in every way it can, discussions like this create such an immense imbalance in oneself that it’s either ‚bring up all of the dumb arguments you can think of to talk yourself out of it‘ or ‚change and question everything you’ve ever known (and do the right thing, meaning that up to this point you’ve always done the wrong.)
Lots of meat eaters like myself don't believe we are wrong. Why would we change?
Thank you SO much for all your great work in getting people to THINK about these things! I've been vegan myself since I was 26 years old in 2003, and vegan 95 - 99%+ of the time during my transition phase for the 8 years prior to that. I became vegan before I ever even heard the word, "vegan", literally, lol. GRATEFUL FOR YOU, BROTHER!
The intelligence argument always baffles me as pigs are far more intelligent than many breeds of dogs...
Sometimes these conversations make me sad to watch.
I was like him at one point. I felt and thought one way and behaved another. Every meal made me a feel guilty. As an epileptic, I have to have a certain amount of protein and fat to keep myself from having seizures and I couldn’t figure out yet what I needed to eat to find that safe balance in a vegan diet. 3 people attempted figuring that out with me and the last helped me figure it out. I have been vegan ever since. I’m so grateful.
But what makes me sad is that there was a point where I didn’t know it was a fat and protein imbalance that needed to be fixed to keep me well. And I allowed myself to have meat (fish) purely because of the enjoyment. He reminds me of that place that I once lived and how ignorant I was about factory farming at the time. And at that time I didn’t want to know because I enjoyed it. It’s sad to see this and know I was like that.
People are so outrageously intellectually lazy. It’s painful to watch.
This guy was intellectually quite honest. He is just lazy in aligning his actions to his morals.
@@lobovutarefrom my own experience, I think this applies to the majority of people, intellectually or not, they're just lazy.
@@helpimlost.62 agreed. Laziness is a pretty human condition though. I am pretty lazy myself at times. I consider myself pretty honest and compassionate though and that probably is why I am vegan. Being intellectually honest is just one of the necessary ingredients for change.
@@lobovutare everything we do is a ‘human condition’. Some conditions are uncivilized, dangerous and need to be addressed openly so that the parents of young children can begin to raise their children with the right ideas and intentions. Most of us were raised by a rather uneducated and unprepared generation of people through no fault of their own. Intellectually lazy people are generally the product of having been raised by intellectually lazy people and thus here we are many generations later trying to exist in a world overrun by stunted people confidently perpetuating their bad ideas. It’s an insane mess that will take generations to improve on. Sadly, it doesn’t feel or look like the good ideas are winning.
At least he is honest about the fact that he just likes the taste of meat.
I am wondering what it is with that taste.
I never liked it at all.
Most don't without spices, sauces, and salt
@@jdw0426so it's mostly spices, salt and oil?
@@Morgan34691 I meant most people don't like the taste of meat without those items
@@jdw0426yes I got that. I was just wondering if it's mostly spices, then maybe people could be convinced to eat vegan alternatives.
I am just trying to find a solution for the taste argument.
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I guess it's the "meat norm" of most societies around the world. If you grow up eating meat it's what you know, simple as that. And then there are some people who still don't like the taste of it, just like some people don't like ice cream.
To quote Dita von Teese: You can be the ripest, juiciest peach in the world, and there's still going to be somebody who hates peaches.
Wow the carnist bingo card was on fire straight out of the gate on this one.
Between the “likes” and the hypocrisy, just unbelievable that Ed can maintain his composure. These interviews are just tough to watch. God bless Ed for even trying to move the ball forward.
I am so accustomed to hearing "like" all the time I had to re-watch to hear it clear.
If Ed finally snaps, I think he will halal slaughter the carnist that made it so and eat him while bragging about the pleasure it gives him.
This is so amazing to watch. Thank you for being kind but also gracefully showing that the dissonance in every argument. Vegan lifestyle sounds so “extreme” but most people are just living under that comfort, and ignoring the facts. I was definitely one of them until I came across your content.
So heartbreaking when people say that their 10-minute sensory please is more important than sobody's huge suffering
This unfortunately is why we need laws to change. Some people do whatever they can get away with
Laws are not enough actually. Enforcement is equally important. In some countries where the enforcement is corrupted or hardly existent, the laws have no effect.
Culture must change. Politicians will just go with whatever is most popular for votes. No politician will make animal farming illegal because they are all corrupt as hell and only care about votes
prohibition does not work, unless you want insurgencies, smuggling and funding for organized crime.
The moment David folded his arms at 12:05 was the moment he lost his openness to debate, learn, teach, and exchange.
"To change your entire paradigm and how you live is unlikely, and I don't expect you to sit down and spend 20 minutes with me and go 'you know Ed, this is it, from now on I'm gonna be vegan´"
Exactly, it's usually a process, maybe this conversation planted a seed and he will become vegan one day.
This planted a tree
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1:02 "I know there's no such thing as humanely killing an animal." BuT tHeRe iS a hUmAnE wAy, aNd ThErE hAs tO bE a WaY, bEcAuSe i LoVe tHeiR tAstE. mEaT = yUmMy! 🤡
Adding the endurance of academics is a new one! Love it!
Being a vegan is not as difficult as having argument with meat-eater. Your videos are of immense help to me to have a good constructive argument with non-vegan people.
You can tell when the man starts to feel backed into a corner, by when he starts to cross his arms. But, it is amazing how people will desperately hang onto a position that allows them to keep killing animals.
I bet this guy was an economics student. He would never be sensitive to the argument of suffering, pleasure vs pain, etc. He needs arguments about value, that's what he came back to each time. The value of humans vs animals, the value of a dog vs a chicken, etc.
Then again, the argument of sexual exploitation without suffering did strike chord with him which surprised me.
I love how you come up with new perspectives all the time!
ANIMALS HAVE 0 VALUE COMPARED TO HUMANS, ANY OTHER VALUE ESTIMATION IS IMMORAL, ANIMALS AND PLANTS HAVE THE SAME VALUE.
@@thewhitedwarf3846 I think I've already explained this to you in a reply to one of your other poorly thought out posts.
@@stephenp2424 no you just mumbled some incoherent bullshit about some humans being worth more than others, proving your inherent immorality and that vegans are essentially antihuman in their beliefs
You used the sexual harassment argument, and to be honest, the cows, specially the milk ones, are sexually harassed every couple of months, so it is not so far off
Ed, I came across your lectures at unis last October-at a time in my life when I was questioning a lot of my life's 'norms' in the pursuit of finding my way back to myself. I grew up on a farm, where killing and hunting where the norm (not out of maliciousness, but more a desire for autonomy which at it's core valued human life over other life). Watching your videos gave me a visceral reaction, and I think I cried for a few days. I think it was the first time I allowed myself to really FEEL what I had been a part of and also what I had experienced too. I have been plant based since then, trying my best to move towards veganism (whilst still being kind to myself when I fall short). This is all to say a big thank you for your patience and challenges of norms in order to help us become more empathic people. I know being a figure head for veganism is probably a pretty difficult place to be sometimes-so just wanted to let you know you are making an impact. ❤
I admire your patience. He just looks at animals as "how can I benefit from animals"
It immediately made me think of the phrase: Animals are here with us, not for us.
Amazing conversation!
Wonderful interview. Thank you for your activism. I'm on board!!
It’s crushing me every time to have similar conversations. I don’t know how you find the power to do it over and over again and not give up. My respect and thank you!
Great work Ed
I watched this video twice Ed!! I always enjoy hearing your questions to the opposition. I’m training myself through your awesome debates. Thank you!! ❤ you’re my hero!
Your conclusion and the wrap-up at the end were top-notch.
Thanks for all you do Ed and the calm way you do it. Much love from Perth 🇦🇺
As the Official Veganism Channel of RUclips, I'd say it's time for all of us to recognize the rights of ALL living beings! ❤️🌿
*Amigo Vegano 4 The Animalo!* ☘️💚☘️
*xVGNxPWRx* 🪬☘️💥💚💯💚💥☘️🪬
Who ordained you as the official veganism channel of RUclips? I wasn’t aware RUclips gave out such accolades. Nice one
But not the deliiiiiiiiiiiiciouuuuuuuuus Chicken drumsticks 🍗🍗, Pork chops 🥩🐖, roasted Ducks 🦆 and lamb chops 🥩🐑 on my plate 😊
@@donolonisa5787 meat does taste nice. Most ex meat eaters will agree, but we chose not to continue eating it. We made that choice. You’re not quite as edgy as you think, but keep trying
@@dh7314 It's not the taste, it's our way of life, as animal meat consumption has been in our diet for billions of years before Shitty Vegan's 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 in disposal diapers were born yesterday 😉
Amazing finishing words from you Ed. Truly inspiring words. Always has been. Thank you so much for everything you do and have done 🙏 Ps. I get excited every time I see a debate video from you!
Saying "have a great life" as part of the goodbye is manipulative and heartfelt at the same time I love it
on fire! thank you so much for everything you do, infinitely grateful!
Nice one! It's nice that he was honest and didn't try to do some crazy mental gymnastics around the ethical argument which is what most people do. Some seeds were planted for sure
one of the best convos I've heard with a non-vegan. Appreciate the fact that he is able to accept the ethical perspective, hope he has a change in heart :)
So glad to see Ed evolve over the years with communication, debates. I love seeing this
Master class in vegan debate ❤
Another great interview, well done!
I just love your videos, arguments and how patient and respectful you are! Thank you! It is hard to be honest to yourself and admit if you are wrong and not acting according to your values. That you where harming animal’s even though you thought you weren’t and ,just’ ate them. But the way you get people there just asking the right questions is incredibly
Great debate, Ed 💙
Ed, you really have inspired me to go vegan, I have learned a lot from you, and it has been an amazing journey. I learned about, how to debate and approach people, by meeting them at where they are now, and asking questions that they have never thought of before.
Planting the seed for them to question, reflect, and transcend beyond culture, tradition, social-norm, and look at things as it is, objectively. It applies not only in veganism, but in all aspects of life. You really are phenomenal, I wish you the best, and keep on inspiring more people like me :)
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Always very inspiring! ❤
great video Ed, your patience and ability to express your arguments is admirable as always
Before I went vegan, I spent years saying that I can love animals but still eat them. I probably used a lot of the same arguments and defenses against going vegan than the people you debate. Yet whenever I see something like this now, it makes me angry, despite it taking me longer than I wish it had as well.
I admire your patience and diplomacy when opening conversations about this with other people. I really hope it will bring thought to these people that ends up changing them. I never thought I'd be vegan and now here I am 6 years vegan.
Thank you fir going vegan. 5 years vegan here! 😅😊 never thought I'd go vegan but once I learned about animal ag you can't pay for that evil. It's SHEER EVIL.
The mental gymnastics here blows my mind. There really is no justification to kill and eat animals at this point because we've advanced so far that we don't have to. It would help the environment, help address climate change, and is just morally superior to being a meat eater. Really a no brainer at this point. Love these interviews and keep up the good work.
Bro how can you be so Chill .
Hoo man, that is a controversial example 😂 I'm gonna use that one! Love the new watermark too. Keep up the great work, Ed!
Awesome as always, Ed.
WOW Ed , you NEVER disappoint in your powerful , calm , non judgmental and brilliant way of making it so obvious and so clear why the non violence way , is the only way to be in this world . Thank You !!! I would not be surprised that this talk with Ed left this guy more aware and awake of his actions - that harming animals so we can eat their flesh , milk , and eggs is wrong .
Wow Ed, the way you ended that conversation was wonderful. Loved the point you made there, and of course, the way you brought it across. 👏🏼
Another amazing one, Ed 👏👏👏
He's just another, "My reasons for harming and killing animals and humans for fun is moral but no one else's."
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Humans are murderers
It is simple selfishness. Nothing more to it than that.
Your last point ooof brilliant framing ❤
So great Ed! Thanks for this!
The vast majority - if not all - of my non-vegan friends will not go vegan simply because they perceive it to be inconvenient. Everything else is irrelevant - ethics, morality, environmental impact, health, etc. While inconvenience applied to various issues in life is often an understandable excuse - e.g., driving cars, using computers and mobile phones - exploiting animals isn’t one of them.
Wonderfully said. As always.