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Adam and Eve were vegan. They live centuries old. ✅❤️😬🦷👨🏼🦳👩🏼🦳🐑🦁🐰.....’ Which is the psssychoooo ??? 😈🔥😫🦠🍖🔴🐮🐷🐣🐔🐟.... ??? 👨🏼🦳🔥😫🦠🍖🔴🐮🐷🐣🐔🐟.... ??? 👨🏼🦳✅😃🌾🍄🍏🍊🍇🍆🍅🥬🥦🥕🌰🌮🥙🍛.... ??? Genesis 1:29 29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.” Isaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion shall eat straw like an ox; but the serpent-its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain”
It would be fascinating to hear your thoughts on whether you would declare yourself a conscientious objector if such circumstances occurred. what would be your response if your motherland asked you for a help?
Eating animaIs is COVlD-19.. 😒🦠🥓🍳🍔🍣🍗🥩🌭🍤🍕🍖. You’re not supposed to eat animaIs and their secretions. No fibre if you eat animIls and cheese and milk etc !!!! We’ve got long long guts. Flat teeth 🦷. Little flat teeth 😬. Moving left and right |-_| . We are herbivores. We act like ‘Omnivores’, and get blocked arteries eating animals fat deposits clog the arteries. Cancer high blood pressure diabetes strokes. 51% death rate !!! That is extremely high for a 5 minute burger etc !!!! Vegans have 4% cancer and that’s it. Peer review science !!!! GoriIlas are herbivores. They never ever eat animals. And they are huge ✅❤️💪🦍. 98.6% the same as us !!! 1% cancer in the wild !!!! COVlD-19, Plant based diet, they had a 73% lower risk, then meat eaters. Peer reviewed science. ruclips.net/video/e9DP3AaTC48/видео.html ..
ruclips.net/video/Z4NsMiOMmCY/видео.html . Dr. Sofia P. Ochoa. William C. Roberts, M.D. ruclips.net/video/XmXynDLkbXY/видео.html ‘Cholesterol can only be gotten from animal-based foods.’ .
“Engineering is competitive.” Engineering is competitive!? Dude how freaking competitive bc I’ve been in some pretty competitive situations in my 30 years on this planet and NEVER have I had to harness “blood lust” to win. Wtf do they do in engineering school. Jesus!
This guy is the perfect demonstration of weakness, he literally thinks that he needs to abuse others to feel his power, and also have to rely on consuming the weak to maintain his power lmao
I never thought about Engineering creating egotistical, self righteous, entitled individuals. They work hard, no doubt. So do other professions that seem to possess more grace, courtesy and respect. This video explains so much more than the positivity of choosing to be a vegan.
you totaly misst his point and also the other 249 vegetables likes with you lool...... He was talking about evolution perspective and hierchies,, omfg....lmao........Go look at the ancestors to humans etc Champenzees and others how they can act.... lool. Dont bother responding "ding" i dont use YT notifications.
Well, I certainly find myself much calmer and understanding since I started eating whole plant based. Difficult to know the cause/effect since about the same time I started meditating daily too
Guy: "Eating meat is unproblematic because animals have 0 moral worth." "Eating meat can cause people to be more violent." "Killing animals makes you a monster". "Being a monster is a GOOD thing." No, dude, what you are reffering to is power. Humans have POWER over animals. We can CHOOSE to abuse that power, or we can transform it into responsibility. Strength is RESPONSIBILITY - not domination or violence. A strong man is someone who can be strong for the weaker, not someone who selfishly kill others to satiate aesthetic preferances..
@@occamsaturn Gorilla Genus of large African apes For other uses, see Gorilla (disambiguation). “Blackback” and “Silverback” redirect here. For other uses, see Blackback (disambiguation) and Silverback (disambiguation). Not to be confused with Guerrilla. Gorillas are herbivorous, predominantly ground-dwelling great apes that inhabit the tropical forests of equatorial Africa. The genus Gorilla is divided into two species: the eastern gorilla and the western gorilla, and either four or five subspecies. The DNA of gorillas is highly similar to that of humans, from 95 to 99% depending on what is included, and they are the next closest living relatives to humans after chimpanzees and bonobos. W. ikipedia
@@occamsaturn .. Like CharIes Man🖕son. Proxy killing... 👈🤥🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a burger. 5 minute burger !! Animals life gone for good !! 🤦🏼♂️ Twice a Coooooooo-ward !!!! Hypoooocrite. Big time. I was a hypocrite. But now I’m vegan. Don’t hurt animals. Simple really. ✅🤷🏼♂️. RUclips delicious vegan food. Time to change.... ✅
Yes, especially the US has a much higher population of violent people. Maybe that is because of the high consumption of red meat in this country. This guy being interviewed is NOT at the upper level of intelligence.
He's not crazy, just a young edgelord. Many of us were similar when we were teenagers, the appeal of searching for truth was outweighed by how radical you can make your opinions.
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Are we in high school? Should we all shout, “oooooooooooooo!” in unison after Ed makes his point? It’s depressing to see so many vegans be so immature with this is one of the top comments
This guy’s argument: Part one: “Eating meat is non-negotiable for me because it makes me feel like a big tough boy. That’s more important than the suffering I cause.” Part two: “Eating meat is non-negotiable for America because being cruel to animals is practice for being cruel to other people, and that’s what keeps us on top.”
@@joshwarrey3728 it has nothing to do with Christianity, maybe with “modern” Christianity, for people interpreting it wrongly by speculation and drawing conclusions from one’s own mind, but the first commandment is thou shalt not kill. Easy as that. And I’m not even Christian myself. And so every every religion started out, to be a guide for morality and for connecting ourselfs with out source. Meaning to know our selfs and God and to actually treat everything as sacred. However most spritual practices have degenerated with time so if one wants to get spiritual understanding one better approach a Bona fide line of gurus where the knowledge are unchanged and where the preacher is a living example of what is preached and what the scripture are saying. So religion is meant to be a tool for spiritual understanding in essence. Scary what ppl who claim to be “religious” are actually thinking and acting…
Actually if you have studied evolution and biology and chimpanzees, his tribe explaination isnt that faar off, but i understand for a ideological made up bias pretensious vegan on "high horses" that is self created without any evidence in evolution, it can be.
they have an opportunity to be a hero for the side which is much easier to be on and argue for. they are all saying all these things, but really they just would HATE for you to get away with being right and making all the wrongs feel bad. pathetic.
I think that after watching Ed win each argument with these people, is that the bottom line is they put their love of the taste of the animal over the love, compassion and empathy for the animals. I love when I hear someone say, I’m an animal lover… and then of course I have to ask if they’re vegan. 🤷♀️
I don't think this guy believes he's wrong at all, unlike most others I've seen debate Ed. But he was respectful and listened, and I could definitely see this discussion changing him.
@@blackmarlin3166 Your comment didn't make sense. Many vegans want to convince people, not drama like you seem to be wanting. There's positive vegan videos too, like from Plant Based News. Discussions like this video helps vegans to be able to answer people.
I'm sorry, this guy is a walking stereotype that shows what's wrong with this world. Alpha male, blood lust, strong have dominance and will survive. That works in the ancient savannas, but not in the world today. Nice job Ed.
He's absolutely right. I have a steak and my power levels go through the roof. I tear my clothes off, then start hulk smashing with all that energy and aura surging through me. I also go out and find other meat to devour to increase my bloodlust levels.
@@el29 well he lives in a country of freedom of religion. Yet many christians I know believe that the US is a christian country. What's wrong with having phobias against religions? I have a fear of violence and these religions promote it!
Glad you recognized that, because it's a valid observation. It's horrible sad, but more women should think like that and stay far away from men who feel this way.
It is satisfying to watch him laugh when he is able to keep it together through all other ridiculous arguments.. this guy took it far enough to crack Ed up 😅
He sounds like he’s talking about a video game. For instance, if you need a power boost in your game, you take a certain consumable in the game in order to get temporary power. This is definitely the most insane argument I’ve ever witnessed. I can understand why he is the type that watches anime lol.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 I wonder where he’s learned all of this/all those wild believes. In the end i believe we all just want to love and be loved. He’s been conditioned clearly by a certain church, family, social system. He seems very smart and calm, but from my perspective not in touch with his body and heart and the natural world. Very much trapped in distorted believes and that’s what creates suffering. It’s amazing how we can have open and respectful conversations in our free societies.
“What would happen to our SPECIES if we stopped eating animals,”Ed asks. Vladimir goes on to emphasize how America (NATION) would be weaker against other nations. Now, isn’t that telling….
@@tigerlilly3727 what do u mean ? What I'm saying is he clearly cannot think cutting a broccoli up is the same as stabbing a pig..like I can pretty much guarantee he couldn't kill an animal but chops up vegetables fine without a care in the world. This is a uni meant to be educated people so I assume even more so he doesn't really believe that he is indenial and trying to make himself feel better about eating meat to justify it to himself...even the most sadistic serial killer wouldn't hold that belief . Its common sense really....
I just love how Ed is always summarising what the other person said to show them the illogical and sometimes totally insane arguments they come up with
Actually if you have studied evolution and biology and chimpanzees, his tribe explaination isnt that faar off, but i understand for a ideological made up bias pretensious vegan on "high horses" that is self created without any evidence in evolution, it can be.
@cshustaann ... and this table is probably the closest he'll ever get to a military recruiting station. (F×××ing "bloodlust" indeed... fat lot of good that did the citizens of Bucha).
@@jxeh1442 Disenfranchised as I am with Professor Peterson (f×××ing "carnivore diet" indeed) he's still a smarter guy than I am. $250k per annum from his RUclips channel alone... I'm in the wrong line of business. Trouble is Peterson focuses on just "being right" rather than engaging in actual discourse... and uses all sorts of skulduggery (word games, shifting the argument) in order to achieve that aim. 😉
@Black cat Thanks for the reply. Q. Howdya know that Jordan Peterson ISN'T an atheist? A. With his kind of self assurance, he clearly believes in some form of God. (Old, old, old, old, joke, originally about Gov. Huey Long.) 😁
Ed never fails to blow me away with his articulate, composed, passionate, and effective communication skills. He is a gift to this planet and all the beings who inhabit it.
sure but have you ever seen him full of joy or showing any real emotional range in his videos either?"?" nah, I think he eats too much soy and grains, and processed food. may even be on pharmaceuticals
@@saszablaze1 So some people vilify vegans for raging and getting physical too much on others, but now you vilify Ed for being calm and virtuous? When people keep moving the goalposts and riding both sides of the fence like this it makes your side look dirty, illogical, and close-minded. Meat eaters have different personalities too, like calm and rage. So would you say the same about them? Or do you have double standards?
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c villify? lol wtf are you on? simple, people are attracted to emulate people who are loose and full of joy, not uptight and serious all the time. if he was my only vegan i bumped into, i wouldn]t wanna become vegan after listening to him alone.
Well you’re asserting he’s making excuses despite the fact you’re vegan for the animals and not for health or volition in regards to overcoming obstacles within the human experience or for optimal health as a human animal.
Yeah he's just working backwards from "I like meat, we have eaten meat forever so we should keep eating meat" and not really considering reason. You can embrace that male aggression with all sorts of combat sports & outdoor activities that actually test you; I don't see how killing bambi is manly at all.
Besides, by his same argument, if we are naturally predators that lust for blood wouldn't limiting consumption lead us to be *more* aggressive and competitive, because "assuaging the need" would result in satisfying the urge. Like, I practice martial arts and if I am nervous or feeling angry going to a boxing class actually calms me down... by his logic I should be ready to murder someone by the end of it
that guy needs to read about what gladiators ate, i'm curious what excuse he'd come up with if he found out that gladiators didn't eat steaks but barley and other plants
i use this technique often... sit back and listen and let the other person come to the conclusion on their own by realizing how stupid they sound the longer they talk lol
And I love how it was because Ed has such patience and gave Vladmir the time and space to completely finish his arguments without interruption that allowed him to hear himself stating his own contradictions. Ed is truly a master of debate!
Yes his reasoning mind ,following his pastor, was his present core beliefs. He only needs to use his powerful imagination to see how animals and man can be peaceful. Imagination beyond fear!
dude if this is like he does he's engineering ... then good luck, i hope he will just work on a toaster in his future, but he still might manage to kill someone just wanting to have a slice for breakfast...
...they do feel pain...they are a direct biomagnetic connection to the life force that humans need a nervous system to pick up....plants experience emotions and pain...how do you not know that
@@AndrewHorezga because they act nothing like a bear or a lion? do they eat their food raw? do they tear it apart live with their hands? they live in a climate controlled house and take baths. cucked hunters kill animals that have no possibility of causing them harm and feel "alpha" about it, and even more cucked meat-eaters buy it from a grocery store and pretend they're some lion for picking up food from the market lmao
"So you think if America went vegan we'd become to weak to fend off a communist invasion?" "In a sense yes" How do u not just crack up man, you are so composed in all situations its beyond professional
Love these videos! I'm muslim and the religious argument of 'humans having dominion' was mis-used. When you have dominion, you are a care-taker, you have stewardship and that is all about acting with responsibility, care and consideration rather than irresponsibly with arrogance or tyranny. The earth is a place for all the creatures of God, and we should respect the sanctity of life and be humble.
@@NermineNaThat point leads me to believe that if the "divine" texts truly were divine, they would certainly not be as open to misinterpretation as they are. A big issue is that people LOVE to isolate a verse, then attribute their own arbitrary meaning to it. Isolating a passage like that in ANY other story would make you look illiterate, like you don't understand context, yet we find ourselves with most people giving their own arbitrary meanings to scripture in this way.
One of the most incoherent, irrational and self-contradictory defence of animal exploitation I have ever heard. Wonder if I too, ever, sounded this incoherent. Probably, sadly, but then I grew rationally and morally. And yeah, respect has to do with not infringing on someones interests without very good reason to do so (self-preservation, being one). Respect does NOT mean: -to be aware of harming others, feel bad about it, but do it anyway. -to feel grateful while harming someone. - to tolerate someones violent ideology, and refuse to challange it. An ideology is not a person with interests.
nothing rational about joining the vegan cult(veganism is for brainwashed sheep AKA cult), and nothing morally wrong for eating food(AKA Beef&Brocolli)
Actually this might work, because by eatings animal products humans develop dementia, and if everyone stop eating animal products the dementia will stop also!
It's insane how many ridiculous reasons the human brain can come up with to support what they've always done instead of admitting they're wrong. Lack of humility really seems to be the biggest obstacle here
Mr. Winters’ understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶 The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals” shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩 Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT to ban animal agriculture! “I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”. Mr. E. Winters, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐 ruclips.net/video/Sl5GpxLXnuI/видео.html Go to the 8:15 mark.
Engineering also turns you into a brainwashed robot for corporations to use to destroy nature and wild animals, so maybe that can be the connection 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🙌
@@silviofta .. Like CharIes Man🖕son. Proxy killing... 👈🤥🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a burger. 5 minute burger !! Animals life gone for good !! 🤦🏼♂️ Twice a Coooooooo-ward !!!! Hypoooocrite. Big time. I was a hypocrite. But now I’m vegan. Don’t hurt animals. Simple really. ✅🤷🏼♂️. RUclips delicious vegan food. Time to change.... ✅
@@cynicalidealist11 That's the problem when you find yourself in a debate in which you have to come up with a coherent world view on the spot without having put too much thought into it beforehand. 🤷♂️
I think Ed said he's hopeful people will change. He's a pretty positive person. I didn't see Ed thinking Vladimir was hopeless. If you're hopeless or a quitter then don't complain why people don't better themselves.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c well I disagree, User guy. Ed quits all the time when he know that person cant be reasoned with. Some biases are just too strong. Thats what great debaters do. Hes not an angel. Hes an advocate.
the good thing is, i dont think he genuinely believes any of the cray things he said. could be wrong though! you never really know whats really in someone's mind.
This is more sad than it is funny. It reminds us just how easily manipulated people can be by the culture and narratives they're surrounded by. "“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire
This guy makes loopholes for himself like no other and can’t accept that he is wrong. I think you sowed some kind of seed of doubt, well done Ed! For his last “point”, if anything the meat industry is allowing chinas economy to become stronger because so many animal products come from China.
exactly. first he says there is a gap between animal and human suffering as big as between plant and animal suffering. next question he says there is no difference between cutting a broccoli vs a pig. hipocrisy.
@@tazztone I just don’t understand how someone would rather stretch their beliefs around 10 different arguments against them instead of just admit they are wrong and give it a try. When I was a Christian, I had to say “evolution and god can exist”, “other inhabitable planets and god can exist”, “social anthropology and god can exist”. But at some point it was so cumbersome to have to keep stretching my beliefs around something that is an unneeded hypothesis in the first place. It’s the same with veganism. The vegan argument is easily defensible where as the meat argument is easily dismantled. They can’t just keep making excuses can they?
As a vegan I have already harnessed plenty of rage learning about animal agriculture/all the other ways we use animals. Also speaking out, rescuing and protecting these animals has transformed my weak minded, former animal eating self into a much more powerful, effective human being.
My brain exploded listening to this young man. God bless you Ed for doing what you do. I've been vegan for over 25 years and no longer have the patience to engage with folks like him, though I do understand the absolute need to engage. You are a blessing and your calm and patient demeanor is admirable. Thank you!
Someone's trying really hard to justify eating meat. Sounds like a lot of his arguments are coming up on the fly and he's feeling insecure about his choices.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Each species has their own species specific diet based on physiology and anatomy. Humans are primates. Human are natural frugivores. We originated from the tropical environments where whole, ripe, raw tropical fruits are our #1 ideal food source. Our cells are fueled by glucose. We have to eat Vitamin C, our bodies don't make Vitamin C like other species do. 4 "food" groups that stimulate the same area of the brain as drugs do: Meat, dairy, sugar, chocolate meaning these groups are highly addictive. As hard as we may want to, we're never going to changed our species, our anatomy or our ideal food souce: whole, ripe, fresh hydrating fruits eaten in an abundance.
I was a US Army soldier for several years and not a single ounce of animal flesh entered my body. I got several awards for being one of the most fit, most responsible, and most improved soldier my first one being in boot camp where I was recognized as the best soldier of they training class. Anyone that tells me that you need to be a meat eater to do the things that I did while in the military is just wrong because I did it without meat and many people I met while I was in also were vegan or at the very least vegetarian.
@@Mark_Wheeler I appreciate it, but I prefer to not be thanked for my service. I have done nothing compared to what many others have done and are doing. They deserve the thanks.
Its cool you're a vegan but fighting for the US empire is disgusting. How many Iraqis did you rape and kill eh? there's not part of this Earth that hasn't been destroyed by America. Shame on you.
I love how vegan discussions have the rare ability to give a valuable window into another person's mind. you can't hide who you are or how your mind works in the face of veganism.
Yes, Mr. Winters’ understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶 The fact that he repeatedly asserts that "humans are animals" shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩 Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT to ban animal agriculture! ruclips.net/video/Sl5GpxLXnuI/видео.html (Go to the 8:15 mark).
without a doubt; not even debatable; I've done a lot of activism and I've experienced this; and this revealing bit extends to friends and family of course
@@veganfortheanimals6994 I have to give it to him tho, it has been a long time since I heard an argument against veganism that I haven't heard 1000x times. This was totally new to me. Ed needs to redo his TEDx talk; Every argument against veganism (bloodlust edition, vegans can't defend themselves from possible invasions from other animal eating countries).
I'm not sure if I agree. It is a little harsh to judge someone's character based on a live debate. Most vegans, me included, grew up non-vegan. If confronted by those arguments it is - as we know - basically impossible to produce any valid argument against veganism. He didn't know that yet. So basically what you expect from him is to immediately, on the spot admit to a stranger that the way he lived his life - how he was taught to think since childhood - is deeply immoral. I am not at all surprised that he responded the way he did. However I'd caution you to conclude from this reaction in this unique stress situation about his personality. I don't think he walked away from this conversation thinking "man I did great. I am so proud of my arguments". Maybe this uneasy feeling of cognitive dissonance will cause him to think more about how he should have responded to Ed. And maybe this is the start of the process that you probably went through already? This stuff takes time - always. It is one thing to point out when someone is behaving immorally - I am all for that - but it feels somewhat cocky to pretend you could judge how someone's mind works based on how they try to come up with an argument that they still think exists. You probably (unconsciously) spent days, weeks, months or maybe even years to realize that this argument does not exist.
political correctness is causing it. I'm a meat eater and proudly say I support animal abuse to continue eating meat, I've got NOTHING to hide. It's vegans who are the problem!
You asked him to debate a vegan and he delivered in spades. He went to every corner of his mind to find a way to justify his position. I love watching these debates it's like mental training for when I have to have these conversations. Bravo Ed for holding it together against ridiculousness! 👏👏👏
Its a false narrative of Ed..... Dominion - CAN - create a sense of responsibility to nurture.... It Doesnt have to...... I Can dominate a pedophile or a wolf who tried to kill my child - That does not create a responsability to nurture... So Ed and youre logic is totaly flawed. Sad.
I had to cringe a lot at the end, I feel kinda sad for him somehow. The lack of self-awareness I suppose. Anyway hats off to Ed as always, I'm ever amazed by how quickly he knows how to respond with the right argument or question to dismantle the other person's argument
I always admire Ed for that. I feel I'd either get a little to emotional or I'd just not be able to take people like this guy seriously but Ed gets them to think about their own argument very well. Even if they're in extreme denial. I agree with you though, I do feel bad for this guy. Anyone who says the words he does is lost and it's unfortunate
Cringe? The average person only eats several cows their lifetime. You wouldn't tell meat eaters that right? Because it's quite small. Would render veganism useless. Come on! Make better arguments please instead of showing your emotions and letting them control yoU!!!
@@AlexMonajemi first of all your claims are wildly untrue. Secondly, youre one to talk about letting your emotions control you. I've seen you on earthling eds, joey carbstrongs and many other vegans RUclips videos for literally YEARS defending yourself against no one and fighting with the air kind of like some of those homeless guys you see outside gas stations.
Why ? Noone is superior to noone, being plant based foesnt necesarilly mans you are a morally superior human than someone else. L'abbee pierre gave shelter and food to millions of starving homeless people he has displayed more compassion and "morality" than an average dude who just stops eating blood while hating people who live differently. Nothing is black and white. I ve crossed countless vegan who were primaraly misanthropists and have the seed of past fascist in them while convincing themselves they are on the "pure race" side. The dude has been as patient and respectful as Ed. I actually feel lit of live and compassion for them both. Equally. Like i have for animals. Many vegan hide thenselves behind a "morally" better practice to put themselves above their neighbour, which is pathetic and detrimental to everyone including our animal brothers. Ps. So you can label me and kniw what level of compassuon to give me, im plant based eater 😂
Not even 1 minute in & id be losing my mind along with all my brain cells trying to make sense of his position. I really don’t know how you do it Ed lol.
I'm not even kidding I stopped the video at the same time Told my wife " wow, I can't believe the shit I just heard" then proceeded to show her the video
did you know the average person only eats 5 cows their lifetime? I bet you wouldn't tell that to people since they'd figure that's too low and would avoid veganism. Most people don't know this and you probably didn't. veganism is utterly useless and a sign of selfishness!!!
@@ninetysomethingmillion4501 "advocates and activists are fine as long as they don't advocate against killing animals". Do you realise that almost all the progress the human species ever made was due to activists? They are literally some of the most important people on earth, right up there with scientists. There's a reason everyone knows who Martin Luther king was, everyone knows the name Gandhi, or the name Rosa Parks. While you continue to be an insignificant consumer with a net negative impact on society, the human genome and our planet.
@@ninetysomethingmillion4501 He works for his money & earns it. Then puts that money to good use by supporting himself more ethically & using a lot of it to help others, influencing thousands upon thousands every day. What exactly are you doing with your life?
@@ninetysomethingmillion4501 You're helping the algorithm get his video out there. You're also helping him make money just by watching his videos. Thank you for your support!
Just on his point with Lent and not eating meat during that time...if eating meat makes you angry/wrathful and being angry/wrathful is a sin, then eating meat makes you sin? So why not avoid it all the time to avoid being more sinful?
The entire synopsis and premise of the Bible is literally that man destroyed the vegan paradise called Eden and that God will one day reinstate it. It's not about Jesus or the other three thousand people mentioned in the Bible. How can Christians ENTIRELY miss the point of the Bible?
I love how as he was describing his own stance, he kept laughing at himself. Like he was realizing how dumb his ideas were as he was saying them out loud. Gotta give him props for sticking with it.
What this guy said is quite scary. How can someone think that not harming animal makes you weak??? He should watch “The Game Changers” and realise that there are super strong MEN that are 100% vegan. And their muscles are big! Well done Ed for being so patient!!
Now that was the most bizzare argument I have heard from the pro-meat people. I'm not even sure you can persuade somebody with such warped opinions that they are wrong.
His argument is based on the (wrong) belief that meat magically makes people more capable of defending a country. I guess you only have to proof to him that a society is fine and striving on plant based diet and that’s it.
OMG I JUST CACKLED THE MOST IVE EVER CACKLED AT ANY UTUBE VIDEO EVER 😂😂 people say 'I'm crying' but I actually was crying with laughter truly.. just something about that nano-blank-stare and then "...Well, engineering's competitive" and then the cut I literally fell over I died. Omg. I will laugh at that for weeks. That poor boy ugh god this is on the internet. Merciless Ed 😂😂
If Vlad's fear is actually a chinese takeover because they still consume meat, he should know, that China is aiming to lower their meat consumption till 2030 by 50% and thereby harness the improved health benefits of consuming fewer dead animals. Love listening to you always arguing so rationally and well-informed Ed. Thank you so much for your content!
The system (christian parents, school, politicians, news outlets, pastors) in which he's raised turned him into that, a dumb and ignorant young person, completely devoid of intelligence and critical thinking
I literally facepalmed when he said that meat eaters eat meat with reverence to the animals and with respect. Oh yeah. I'm sure everyone at the McDonald's drive-thru is sitting in their car thinking about and contemplating the life of the animal that was killed for their Big Mac. I mean, wow! He needs blood lust to be a better engineer? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡 The longer he talked the more he twists himself into knots.
In my opinion it took me ten years to really looking foward my health having that care after that i realized what i was doing to my body then i looked for documentaries to know what i was putting in mybody and i realized what massacre i was supporting . Vegan for life . Very greatful for ed winters
Incredible how someone wanting to be an engineer, a logic-based profession, can have such illogical opinions like being religious and believing the whole alpha-male bullshit. When he talked about "creating a monster and controlling him" I just cringed and laughed at the same time.
@@2tehnik Many respected figures in various STEM fields (perhaps most notably, a good number of physicists) believe in a creator god. Significantly fewer have anything good to say about organized religion.
Welcome to humanity.... Seriously though. If you expect every person working in a logic based profession is a 100% logic driven person then you're in for a big surprise. That is simply not how humans work. I'm a pretty logical person myself and yet act illogical on many occasions. Human feelings, emotions and desires are inherently not always logical when compared to a logical conclusion.
This was a great one Ed, you did a great job pointing out the contradictions, also props to the interviewee (Vlad) for remaining respectful. It's an interesting position Vlad's taken... a nation of the most heart disease and obesity riddled - diagnosed at young ages of 20's, 30's, and 40's now, Alzheimer's, erectile dysfunction, lower fertility rates epidemic, increased diseases overall, higher all cause mortality, and terrible health in general - all correlated with meat consumption/oils, is more fit to defend its land? What a fascinating outlook. I realize Ed doesn't want to get into the health aspects as it's a much more difficult and broader issue to debate, (and veganism is about morals) but from a health perspective, all of Vlad's points are moot and fiction. If I was living in fear and worried about who's invading who and in that invasion mindset, I would much rather have unclogged brains, unclogged arteries, big veiny veins, and extremely fit professionals defending "our land" than the short life expectancy clogged brigade, unable to think clearly, and *sustainably live past 45 without visiting the ER yearly, and loaded up on dependent medications. Cheers
LOL - At the end of the conversation, this guy is lucky he's talking to Ed instead of Vegan Gains - lol. Oh, you think that you can kick my ass because I'm Vegan! Offense taken, challenge accepted.
6:52 Ed: "Do you agree or disagree that morally there is a distinction between cutting the stock of a broccoli and cutting the throat of a pig?" Guy: "No" Me: Wowwwwww really?? 😂😂😂
I'm vegan, and when people invade my home, I simply lack the bloodlust required to defend myself, and I definitely don't grab my gun and scare them off. So I end up getting beaten and robbed. I'm glad the fellow you interviewed brought up this important and urgent issue!
Yes, Mr. Winters’ understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶 The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals” shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩 Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT to ban animal agriculture! “I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”. Mr. E. Winters, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐 ruclips.net/video/Sl5GpxLXnuI/видео.html Go to the 8:15 mark.
My feelings exactly. I agree with you. This horrible guy gives me the chills. He says: "I don't have a problem when animal is tortured". He's obnoxious.
Ed, how do you continue to show so much emotional restraint and remain composed in debates such as this? I had a brief stint of activism (anonymous for the voiceless) and found it to be incredibly draining as I was constantly met with the same outdated reasons for meat consumption. I stepped away from it as it was too much. More power to you dude, because what you and your team are doing is truly worthy, meaningful and deserves praising. Thank you.
I could never be that well thought and collected if I live to be 150... The blokes a bloody legend, a complete one off. How lucky is the vegan movement to have him!
After watching the video, I actually believe that in the future Vladimir might see some of the flaws in his argument and eventually become vegan. I think the fact that he contradicted himself so many times and in the end came to such a ludicrous conclusion (that Veganism will lead to a communist invasion), shows that he is grasping at straws in order to justify his actions. Most of us weren't vegan from the moment we first heard about it, and it's unjust to judge people who are probably exposed to these ideas for the first time, for not immediately agreeing with Veganism. We're not capable of changing people's lifelong views in one swift conversation; the goal is to plant a seed that might sprout in a month, a year, or a decade. Ed made this man think about his actions, and whether it be consciously or subconsciously, a seed was planted. It's also important not to mock Vladimir in the comments because at the end of the day, the goal of these videos is to provide vegans with better communication and debating skills so they are able to get their point across in a more coherent and convincing fashion, and to start conversations with non-vegans or provoke some thoughts about the subject in their mind. By posting negative comments about Vladimir (apart from the fact that I think that's wrong) we might be portraying ourselves as less inviting towards non-vegans who have decided to watch the video and might want to discuss the topic in the comments. It is important to remember that in the fight for Veganism, the animals, not us, are the focal point, as they are the ones being oppressed. As hard as it may be, even when somebody completely disagrees with our fight, it's important not to antagonize people, because that will only lead society further away from Veganism. Ed, you are an inspiration and I truly admire the work that you are doing for the animals, the environment and for justice! ❤️🐔🌱
Wow good empathy there and a reminder to the rest of us on why we are passionate about the vegan cause. Yep this is not about how Ed “won” or how ridiculous Vlad’s arguments are. This is about whether this is a starting point for Vlad (and others like him) to have an internal dialog.
@@RK-nq3fj I completely agree with you. The notion that someone can win a debate, whose sole purpose was to educate and prokove thoughts is preposterous. By portraying these debates as if they have a winner and a loser, we are making it even harder for people to move towards Veganism as that might now entail defeat in their mind. As a matter of fact, if Ed "wins" the debate and manages to convince the other person to reflect upon his decisions, both sides have won. This is not a zero sum game. Appreciate the comment! 🥰
👏👏yess it’s so frustrating seeing all these vegans jump on the tribal bandwagon and mockery which is so so so counterproductive which indirectly causes unnecessary harm to animals since it will dissuade people to become vegan.
Is this an argument against veganism that you've come across before? 😐
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“I am the one that’s responsible, what’s happened” Jeffrey Dahmer . ruclips.net/video/-m9XjjScrUY/видео.html !!!!
Adam and Eve were vegan. They live centuries old. ✅❤️😬🦷👨🏼🦳👩🏼🦳🐑🦁🐰.....’
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Genesis 1:29 29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.”
Isaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion shall eat straw like an ox; but the serpent-its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain”
It would be fascinating to hear your thoughts on whether you would declare yourself a conscientious objector if such circumstances occurred. what would be your response if your motherland asked you for a help?
Eating animaIs is COVlD-19.. 😒🦠🥓🍳🍔🍣🍗🥩🌭🍤🍕🍖. You’re not supposed to eat animaIs and their secretions. No fibre if you eat animIls and cheese and milk etc !!!! We’ve got long long guts. Flat teeth 🦷. Little flat teeth 😬. Moving left and right |-_| . We are herbivores. We act like ‘Omnivores’, and get blocked arteries eating animals fat deposits clog the arteries. Cancer high blood pressure diabetes strokes. 51% death rate !!! That is extremely high for a 5 minute burger etc !!!! Vegans have 4% cancer and that’s it. Peer review science !!!! GoriIlas are herbivores. They never ever eat animals. And they are huge ✅❤️💪🦍. 98.6% the same as us !!! 1% cancer in the wild !!!! COVlD-19, Plant based diet, they had a 73% lower risk, then meat eaters. Peer reviewed science. ruclips.net/video/e9DP3AaTC48/видео.html ..
ruclips.net/video/Z4NsMiOMmCY/видео.html . Dr. Sofia P. Ochoa. William C. Roberts, M.D.
ruclips.net/video/XmXynDLkbXY/видео.html ‘Cholesterol can only be gotten from animal-based foods.’ .
Being an engineer isn't actually about finding technical solutions but about outcompeting other engineers with power and bloodlust.
🤣🤣🤣
Well obviously
I'm an engineer and I approve this statement.
Lollllllllllll! >.
think 'Howard' from the big bang theory XD
Ed: “What do you need that bloodlust for?”
Warrior carnivore: “engineering is competitive.”
🤣🤣🤣
those excel sheet sessions get pretty intense.
“Engineering is competitive.”
Engineering is competitive!?
Dude how freaking competitive bc I’ve been in some pretty competitive situations in my 30 years on this planet and NEVER have I had to harness “blood lust” to win.
Wtf do they do in engineering school. Jesus!
🤣🤣🤣
I swear that line felt like it was from an SNL cold opening.
This guy is the perfect demonstration of weakness, he literally thinks that he needs to abuse others to feel his power, and also have to rely on consuming the weak to maintain his power lmao
Y’all are strange in here….
@@ericholder1603 veganism is a sanctuary for the mentally ill. They think they gain a moral reputation by feeling sorry for something.
@@ericholder1603 cry 😢
I never thought about Engineering creating egotistical, self righteous, entitled individuals. They work hard, no doubt. So do other professions that seem to possess more grace, courtesy and respect. This video explains so much more than the positivity of choosing to be a vegan.
you totaly misst his point and also the other 249 vegetables likes with you lool......
He was talking about evolution perspective and hierchies,, omfg....lmao........Go look at the ancestors to humans etc Champenzees and others how they can act.... lool.
Dont bother responding "ding" i dont use YT notifications.
I'm beginning to question how big of a Vegan Ed really is. His bloodlust levels are off the charts according to the slaughter I just witnessed.
It was humane tho, I don't see a problem there.
Great one! 😂😂
Lmao 😂🤣! Excellent one, excellent !
humanely slaughtered 😂
Hehehe
Ed’s mouth: “sure” “absolutely”
Ed’s mind: “WTF????”
Spot on - that's very funny 😄
LMAO
Ed's trying very hard not to burst out laughing.
As a vegan, I admire his respect I think that is how we promote our movement.
@@tsikinite It's one way to promote the movement. There is also a place for the ruder more abrasive vegans in the promotion of veganism
As a vegan engineer I found that one statement pretty hilarious. Can't say I noticed any reduced bloodlust affecting my work when I became vegan.
Well, I certainly find myself much calmer and understanding since I started eating whole plant based. Difficult to know the cause/effect since about the same time I started meditating daily too
Just checking in - are you dead from b12 deficiency yet?
@@bryanandhistent2311you really thought that was a mic drop moment…
Guy: "Eating meat is unproblematic because animals have 0 moral worth."
"Eating meat can cause people to be more violent."
"Killing animals makes you a monster".
"Being a monster is a GOOD thing."
No, dude, what you are reffering to is power. Humans have POWER over animals. We can CHOOSE to abuse that power, or we can transform it into responsibility. Strength is RESPONSIBILITY - not domination or violence. A strong man is someone who can be strong for the weaker, not someone who selfishly kill others to satiate aesthetic preferances..
Especially since that power is very circumstantial
This guy would feel very differently pitted against animals with power over him
@@occamsaturn oh yeah, absolutely.
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Not to be confused with Guerrilla.
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@@occamsaturn “I am the one that’s responsible, what’s happened” Jeffrey Dahmer . ruclips.net/video/-m9XjjScrUY/видео.html !!!!
@@occamsaturn .. Like CharIes Man🖕son. Proxy killing... 👈🤥🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a burger. 5 minute burger !! Animals life gone for good !! 🤦🏼♂️
Twice a Coooooooo-ward !!!! Hypoooocrite. Big time.
I was a hypocrite. But now I’m vegan. Don’t hurt animals. Simple really. ✅🤷🏼♂️. RUclips delicious vegan food. Time to change.... ✅
we asked non-vegans to come up with literally any new argument for YEARS
and here we are
he really delivered
congrats my guy ♥
This is a moment of celebration
Lmao
Thank you for making me realize this, I’m cracking a cold one with the boys to celebrate 🥳
I had to break out the vodka for this one
LOL! Right! I'll have to add this one to the list.
"I don't want to be part of a world where being kind is a weakness" ~Keanu Reeves
I am genuinely and legitimately frightened listening to this guy, knowing there are so many others like him in the world too.
He sounds like a normal guy... His idea of inheriting these "traits" from the dead animals is just more excuses... so strange
Yes, especially the US has a much higher population of violent people. Maybe that is because of the high consumption of red meat in this country. This guy being interviewed is NOT at the upper level of intelligence.
The internet has rotted this boy's brain
definitely gave me school shooter vibes
He's not crazy, just a young edgelord. Many of us were similar when we were teenagers, the appeal of searching for truth was outweighed by how radical you can make your opinions.
Once Ed starts hovering his hand over the table, you know the other person is about to get owned.
😂 😂 😂
he calls upon the demons of G̷̡̧̛̱̬̠͓̘̣̱̼̣̻̪͇̖͍̻̮͙̫͖͆̈́͛̈̍͐́̅̂̌͐̿̀̉̂̀̎̇̔͒̑̉͐̍̆̒̕̚͜͝Į̴̛̙̤̺̫̮̹͉͖̈̑̉͆̾̈́̌̀̓̊̀͐̿̀̓̓̏̏͋͑͛̊̈̉̕͘͝͝ͅĻ̵̡̨̧̜̯̣̻͙̥̗̱̼͚̺͍̮͕̙͔̪͇͖̓́̉̈̓̀̉̔̃̒͑̀͋̚̚͘͘̕͜͠͝͝͝G̷̮̮̘̝͖͔̝̥̟̭͖͚̑̾̓̍̈́̍̾͘̚Ä̷̡̨̛͓̭̪̫̹̱͚̤̫̼̗͕̫͉̳͔͓̜͕̫͚͈̟̯̮̤͉͇̜͎̬̝̜̲̺̥͖̝͖̈́̏̆̒͒̓̿̀̅̊̓́͌͗̈͐̆̑̑̃̂͊͒̆̌̔̃́͐̀́̈́̿̋̔̀̀̕̚̕͝͠͝ͅM̷̢̦̩̹̣͓̪̳̳̺̞͕̩̟̗̫̈̌͛̌̋̄͛̆̾̓͗Ḛ̷̡̨̧̛̲͇͖̦̰̭̯͕̰̼̺̰̟̣̌̿̓̏̃̀̀̓̓̌̂͋͆̐͘̚̕̕͜͜͠͝ͅŞ̷̢̱̖͓͙̜̟̭͇̥̲̭̭̟̘͚͎̫̜̲̻͚̞̲̉͂̃͐̀̈̑̽̐̌̈́̌͐̕͜͠͝ͅͅH̵͖̗̺̥̫͖͇̞̯̱̭͈̮̪̼̖͉͎͖̟̮̬̤̯̭̹̞̮͌̃͂̅̌̽̿̾̿̋̋̐͗̽͋̀͋̈́̓̔̀͋̇̚͘͘͘̕͜͝ͅ to form his arguments
OMG genius XDDDD
Lmao yes
Are we in high school? Should we all shout, “oooooooooooooo!” in unison after Ed makes his point? It’s depressing to see so many vegans be so immature with this is one of the top comments
This guy’s argument:
Part one: “Eating meat is non-negotiable for me because it makes me feel like a big tough boy. That’s more important than the suffering I cause.”
Part two: “Eating meat is non-negotiable for America because being cruel to animals is practice for being cruel to other people, and that’s what keeps us on top.”
XD im tired of their bs
Yup, spoken like a true bloodlust-y Christian.
Makes me more proud to be an anti-religion atheist
@@joshwarrey3728 it has nothing to do with Christianity, maybe with “modern” Christianity, for people interpreting it wrongly by speculation and drawing conclusions from one’s own mind, but the first commandment is thou shalt not kill. Easy as that.
And I’m not even Christian myself.
And so every every religion started out, to be a guide for morality and for connecting ourselfs with out source. Meaning to know our selfs and God and to actually treat everything as sacred.
However most spritual practices have degenerated with time so if one wants to get spiritual understanding one better approach a Bona fide line of gurus where the knowledge are unchanged and where the preacher is a living example of what is preached and what the scripture are saying.
So religion is meant to be a tool for spiritual understanding in essence.
Scary what ppl who claim to be “religious” are actually thinking and acting…
@@Aircooledbliss bru, Christianity is a death cult with a forced impregnation and a human sacrifice at the core of their beliefs :D
Actually if you have studied evolution and biology and chimpanzees, his tribe explaination isnt that faar off, but i understand for a ideological made up bias pretensious vegan on "high horses" that is self created without any evidence in evolution, it can be.
It always boils down to somebody rationalising the shit out of their biased opinion.
yep bias after bias, thats why i love to orbiting of sentience and essential, then they are stuck circular biasing as long as they can
Morality is subjective, therefore its an opinion, something vegans just can't understand.
@@bluemeister22 except he’s using that argument as a fact to justify eating meat?
@@niken538 I'm just saying that eating meat can never be factually immoral, because morality is just an opinion.
@AjA9873 Depens on the victim, my taste pleasure and convenience is more important then the life of a chicken (I mostly eat chicken).
This dude won the gold medal 🏅 for mental gymnastics.
Aka top tier bellendary
Hahah right and he terribly crash landed on his neck breaking his spine in trying to do so.
Gosh the guy looks healthy like hes got animal fat coming out of his face in spots !
POWER AND BLOODLUST lol
Haha, yes he did! What an absolut genius on the mat of creativity!
The lengths that people will go to instead of admitting that they are wrong is just mind blowing.
they have an opportunity to be a hero for the side which is much easier to be on and argue for. they are all saying all these things, but really they just would HATE for you to get away with being right and making all the wrongs feel bad. pathetic.
The problem with that is there wouldn't be a debate and this video wouldn't exist in the first place if he took those words out of your mouth
I think that after watching Ed win each argument with these people, is that the bottom line is they put their love of the taste of the animal over the love, compassion and empathy for the animals. I love when I hear someone say, I’m an animal lover… and then of course I have to ask if they’re vegan. 🤷♀️
I don't think this guy believes he's wrong at all, unlike most others I've seen debate Ed. But he was respectful and listened, and I could definitely see this discussion changing him.
@@blackmarlin3166 Your comment didn't make sense. Many vegans want to convince people, not drama like you seem to be wanting. There's positive vegan videos too, like from Plant Based News. Discussions like this video helps vegans to be able to answer people.
I'm sorry, this guy is a walking stereotype that shows what's wrong with this world. Alpha male, blood lust, strong have dominance and will survive. That works in the ancient savannas, but not in the world today. Nice job Ed.
The guy looks like a WoW player who drank too many mountain-dews, the delusion is crazy.
I'd wager that doesn't even work on an actual African savanna, only in the fantastical African savanna we like to imagine.
You know what works today? "Community." Empathy and compassion.
@@Frodoswaggns Right? Dude's skin doesn't indicate he's having the best of health.
@@MarlaSingersCancer For a preadetor full of blood lust, he looks like someone who is not outside in the sun enough🤔
He opened with that humans were at the top because of intelligence and ended with saying we need bloodlust to stay on top.
He's absolutely right. I have a steak and my power levels go through the roof. I tear my clothes off, then start hulk smashing with all that energy and aura surging through me. I also go out and find other meat to devour to increase my bloodlust levels.
@@sithius99 whatttt I thought I was the only one
@@sithius99 The blood lust is supposed to be harnessed. Also, it's suppose to make you a good husband, so I hope that you're male.
@@LN-fi1nf rofl xD
@@sithius99 that's spot on, nice catch!
"I approve of oppressing those beneath me"
How'd you come to that decision
"I'm Christian."
🤦🏻
certified 'ooof' moment, at least bloodlust guy is honest about it
i'm not surprised lmao
and yet he didn't want the US to be oppressed by china - he wants to do the oppressing, not others.
Ahhh so you are against peoples religions ?. Okay....Islamaphobia or Christianphobia or what can it be ?.
@@el29 well he lives in a country of freedom of religion. Yet many christians I know believe that the US is a christian country. What's wrong with having phobias against religions? I have a fear of violence and these religions promote it!
This is the type of guy you DON'T trust to walk you home after a night out.
He probably doesnt go out unless he has to pick up some chicken wings in kfc to satisfy his blood lust and become a good citizen
What, you don't like *bloodlust* ?
I get that vibe 😳🤯
Yet another reason why I can’t date non vegans! Can’t trust that their bloodlust won’t overpower them at any moment.
Glad you recognized that, because it's a valid observation. It's horrible sad, but more women should think like that and stay far away from men who feel this way.
ed holding back laughter is killing me lmao
It is satisfying to watch him laugh when he is able to keep it together through all other ridiculous arguments.. this guy took it far enough to crack Ed up 😅
Im almost in tears. So funny.
king trying to stay respectful in the midst of a literal stand up lmao
"That was a very unique argument"
"Thanks"
Yeah I don't think that was a compliment man 😂
This guy has made my brain hurt very quickly. Ed you have so much patience. Hat's off to you.
I love how we live in a democracy and have freedom of speech so that such open conversations are possible 💜
He sounds like he’s talking about a video game. For instance, if you need a power boost in your game, you take a certain consumable in the game in order to get temporary power.
This is definitely the most insane argument I’ve ever witnessed. I can understand why he is the type that watches anime lol.
Lol… Near the end of it, you could actually HEAR his brain coming to a halt and stuttering. Lmfao.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 I wonder where he’s learned all of this/all those wild believes. In the end i believe we all just want to love and be loved. He’s been conditioned clearly by a certain church, family, social system. He seems very smart and calm, but from my perspective not in touch with his body and heart and the natural world. Very much trapped in distorted believes and that’s what creates suffering. It’s amazing how we can have open and respectful conversations in our free societies.
I'm eating chicken breast right now
Jesus man I can never do what ed does I'd burst out laughing
ENGINEERING IS COMPETITIVE I MUST LUST FOR THE BLOOD OF MY FELLOW ENGINEER
I actually laughed out loudly at home hearing that
@@Ermude10 lol me too. I seldom laugh aloud when I am by myself. Crazy argument, but Ed is a genius. So happy animals have such a public defender
"I'M CHOOSING TO BECOME A MONSTER" *bites into taco*
😭MY BLOODLUST FROM THE FLESH OF DEAD ANIMALS MAKES ME AN EXPERT AT MY CRAFT/j
if there are any murders on campus...
“What would happen to our SPECIES if we stopped eating animals,”Ed asks. Vladimir goes on to emphasize how America (NATION) would be weaker against other nations. Now, isn’t that telling….
Besides diabetes, constipation, heart disease yes America is stronger because of these. Those carnists are beyond stupid.
Great observation
Excellent observation
I noticed that too. Shows how self absorbed Americans are; they think they are the only humans that exist.
Propaganda works it seems
I can't believe he paused and said cutting a broccoli was the same as cutting the throat of a pig 😳 😐 😕
People will say anything to "win an argument" what counts is that Ed makes them think and plants a seed it may bloom soon or later 😊
@@ElliottPiano I strongly admire the patience, maturity, and courage, to do such. It's something to aspire to and work on.
but he doesnt hold that belief. hence the welfarism
@@tigerlilly3727 exactly its obvious he says it to feel better himself but still to even say the words ....I think is bizarre
@@tigerlilly3727 what do u mean ? What I'm saying is he clearly cannot think cutting a broccoli up is the same as stabbing a pig..like I can pretty much guarantee he couldn't kill an animal but chops up vegetables fine without a care in the world. This is a uni meant to be educated people so I assume even more so he doesn't really believe that he is indenial and trying to make himself feel better about eating meat to justify it to himself...even the most sadistic serial killer wouldn't hold that belief . Its common sense really....
"I need to eat meat because I need bloodlust....to work with equations at my desk".....
I just love how Ed is always summarising what the other person said to show them the illogical and sometimes totally insane arguments they come up with
And how many people went before him? He had plenty of time to come up with a better argument.
Actually if you have studied evolution and biology and chimpanzees, his tribe explaination isnt that faar off, but i understand for a ideological made up bias pretensious vegan on "high horses" that is self created without any evidence in evolution, it can be.
@@el29 chimpanzees are more herbivores than otherwise
Your videos are inspiring, helping and teaching me to become a peaceful vegan advocate myself, many thanks for that.
Vegan for the animals 💚
@@vinnyhorapeti2461 Amen!🌱
LoL you can donate on the comment sections? Didn't know that.
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Word salad is the closest this guy will ever get to being vegan
@cshustaann
... and this table is probably the closest he'll ever get to a military recruiting station.
(F×××ing "bloodlust" indeed... fat lot of good that did the citizens of Bucha).
Definitely a Jordan Peterson fan. (As am I, but this guy is a pseudo-intellectual parrot, and that is being very generous).
@@jxeh1442
Disenfranchised as I am with Professor Peterson (f×××ing "carnivore diet" indeed) he's still a smarter guy than I am.
$250k per annum from his RUclips channel alone... I'm in the wrong line of business.
Trouble is Peterson focuses on just "being right" rather than engaging in actual discourse... and uses all sorts of skulduggery (word games, shifting the argument) in order to achieve that aim.
😉
@Black cat
Thanks for the reply.
Q. Howdya know that Jordan Peterson ISN'T an atheist?
A. With his kind of self assurance, he clearly believes in some form of God.
(Old, old, old, old, joke, originally about Gov. Huey Long.)
😁
you won the internet with that one XD
Ed never fails to blow me away with his articulate, composed, passionate, and effective communication skills.
He is a gift to this planet and all the beings who inhabit it.
All ?. Nah not all.... most stupid thing ive heard.
sure but have you ever seen him full of joy or showing any real emotional range in his videos either?"?" nah, I think he eats too much soy and grains, and processed food. may even be on pharmaceuticals
He's a fucking saint.
@@saszablaze1 So some people vilify vegans for raging and getting physical too much on others, but now you vilify Ed for being calm and virtuous? When people keep moving the goalposts and riding both sides of the fence like this it makes your side look dirty, illogical, and close-minded.
Meat eaters have different personalities too, like calm and rage. So would you say the same about them? Or do you have double standards?
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c villify? lol wtf are you on?
simple, people are attracted to emulate people who are loose and full of joy, not uptight and serious all the time. if he was my only vegan i bumped into, i wouldn]t wanna become vegan after listening to him alone.
Vlad is competing at the top of the list among those who have the biggest list of bad excuses that I've ever come across
Ok, his name is Russian and he is against communists.
this guy is a goldmine for reddit vegancirclejerkers.
Well you’re asserting he’s making excuses despite the fact you’re vegan for the animals and not for health or volition in regards to overcoming obstacles within the human experience or for optimal health as a human animal.
@@dragonofhatefulretribution9041 what the fuck did you just write? It's like you made a sentence with the "suggested text" above your keyboard
Yeah he's just working backwards from "I like meat, we have eaten meat forever so we should keep eating meat" and not really considering reason. You can embrace that male aggression with all sorts of combat sports & outdoor activities that actually test you; I don't see how killing bambi is manly at all.
You heard it here first, you need meat in order to become a monster so you can be competitive in life 🤡
Besides, by his same argument, if we are naturally predators that lust for blood wouldn't limiting consumption lead us to be *more* aggressive and competitive, because "assuaging the need" would result in satisfying the urge. Like, I practice martial arts and if I am nervous or feeling angry going to a boxing class actually calms me down... by his logic I should be ready to murder someone by the end of it
Most sane carnist 💀
that guy needs to read about what gladiators ate, i'm curious what excuse he'd come up with if he found out that gladiators didn't eat steaks but barley and other plants
Ed knows that he doesn't need to argue he just needs to sit back and let people talk and contradict themselves. This guy was a prime example.
I think it's a technique the police use too. Just let them speak and they'll end totally tangled up in their own contradictory or absurd statements
i use this technique often... sit back and listen and let the other person come to the conclusion on their own by realizing how stupid they sound the longer they talk lol
I like how Vladimir sometimes realized that his arguments don't make sense, his more humane side came forth a few seconds at at time.
And I love how it was because Ed has such patience and gave Vladmir the time and space to completely finish his arguments without interruption that allowed him to hear himself stating his own contradictions. Ed is truly a master of debate!
He laughed at his own arguments too 😂
A true self-awarewolf.
Yes his reasoning mind ,following his pastor, was his present core beliefs.
He only needs to use his powerful imagination to see how animals and man can be peaceful.
Imagination beyond fear!
dude if this is like he does he's engineering ... then good luck, i hope he will just work on a toaster in his future, but he still might manage to kill someone just wanting to have a slice for breakfast...
We did it, we found an argument more ridiculous than the "plants feel pain tho".
"We need bloodlust to be productive" xD
@@Corvid_Moon Bloodlust tho
@@FixdalOK “bloodlust tho👮🏼♂️👷🏽♂️👨🏾🍳🧑🏽💻🧑🏼💼👩🏼🚀👨🏽✈️”
...they do feel pain...they are a direct biomagnetic connection to the life force that humans need a nervous system to pick up....plants experience emotions and pain...how do you not know that
@@AndrewHorezga why do they feel pain? So they can get up and run?
Non vegan - “we’re superior to other animals”
also non vegan - compares himself to bears and lions 🤔
...not in essence only in behavior...
@Tigertyp um how?
It’s a true mind f*ck.
@@AndrewHorezga because they act nothing like a bear or a lion? do they eat their food raw? do they tear it apart live with their hands? they live in a climate controlled house and take baths.
cucked hunters kill animals that have no possibility of causing them harm and feel "alpha" about it, and even more cucked meat-eaters buy it from a grocery store and pretend they're some lion for picking up food from the market lmao
"So you think if America went vegan we'd become to weak to fend off a communist invasion?"
"In a sense yes"
How do u not just crack up man, you are so composed in all situations its beyond professional
And he probably has zero idea what a communist or communism is.
@@Nissenov communism is when no red meat, obviously. It’s funny how these jokers try and justify their beliefs lol.
Never mind the communists, what about the zombies?
@@recycledcontent2959 if communism = no unnecessary brutalizing and killing of innocent animals then greetings comrades
@@recycledcontent2959 Actually yes, now eat your bread.
If somebody ever makes an iceberg of "reasons why I'm not vegan", I think this argument is a good candidate for the deeper levels.
True. The nonsense that's too stupid to even leave the subconscious normally...
Love these videos! I'm muslim and the religious argument of 'humans having dominion' was mis-used. When you have dominion, you are a care-taker, you have stewardship and that is all about acting with responsibility, care and consideration rather than irresponsibly with arrogance or tyranny. The earth is a place for all the creatures of God, and we should respect the sanctity of life and be humble.
@@NermineNaThat point leads me to believe that if the "divine" texts truly were divine, they would certainly not be as open to misinterpretation as they are. A big issue is that people LOVE to isolate a verse, then attribute their own arbitrary meaning to it. Isolating a passage like that in ANY other story would make you look illiterate, like you don't understand context, yet we find ourselves with most people giving their own arbitrary meanings to scripture in this way.
One of the most incoherent, irrational and self-contradictory defence of animal exploitation I have ever heard. Wonder if I too, ever, sounded this incoherent. Probably, sadly, but then I grew rationally and morally.
And yeah, respect has to do with not infringing on someones interests without very good reason to do so (self-preservation, being one).
Respect does NOT mean:
-to be aware of harming others, feel bad about it, but do it anyway.
-to feel grateful while harming someone.
- to tolerate someones violent ideology, and refuse to challange it. An ideology is not a person with interests.
haha well said!
Respect does not mean turning someone into poo and flushing them down the toilet.
nothing rational about joining the vegan cult(veganism is for brainwashed sheep AKA cult), and nothing morally wrong for eating food(AKA Beef&Brocolli)
we all have a past...
Using his beliefs, we could end war if men were not allowed to eat meat.
Actually this might work, because by eatings animal products humans develop dementia, and if everyone stop eating animal products the dementia will stop also!
@@matanieandrei6749 I don't think most wars are started by people with dementia
@@firstwavenegativity6379 could you give an example!?
HAHA FABULOUS POINT!! ☝🏻
It's insane how many ridiculous reasons the human brain can come up with to support what they've always done instead of admitting they're wrong. Lack of humility really seems to be the biggest obstacle here
mind-blowing, funny but also a bit scary how some (or many) people in America and the whole world can be so blatantly ignorant 🤯
Mr. Winters’ understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶
The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals” shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩
Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT to ban animal agriculture!
“I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”.
Mr. E. Winters, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐
ruclips.net/video/Sl5GpxLXnuI/видео.html
Go to the 8:15 mark.
Engineering also turns you into a brainwashed robot for corporations to use to destroy nature and wild animals, so maybe that can be the connection 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🙌
these are the people in engineering courses lmao
@@silviofta .. Like CharIes Man🖕son. Proxy killing... 👈🤥🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a burger. 5 minute burger !! Animals life gone for good !! 🤦🏼♂️
Twice a Coooooooo-ward !!!! Hypoooocrite. Big time.
I was a hypocrite. But now I’m vegan. Don’t hurt animals. Simple really. ✅🤷🏼♂️. RUclips delicious vegan food. Time to change.... ✅
@@silviofta engineering has the most ignorants IMO. Sincerely, an engineer 😅
"engineering is competitive" IM DEAD.
he wants to have bloodlust and the capability to kill beings so he can... study well in college....?
Still trying to make sense of that one
@@cynicalidealist11 That's the problem when you find yourself in a debate in which you have to come up with a coherent world view on the spot without having put too much thought into it beforehand. 🤷♂️
Also an engineer here. I wish I was plant based back in college. I would have been better for it after seeing what the change has done for me.
Can you get bloodlust from driving in your air-conditioned car to buy slabs of meat on polystyrene trays wrapped in cellophane at Whole Foods?
" im having an old friend for dinner" hannibal bro XD
Ed’s face when he realizes the person is too far gone to rationalize with is priceless lol
I think Ed said he's hopeful people will change. He's a pretty positive person. I didn't see Ed thinking Vladimir was hopeless. If you're hopeless or a quitter then don't complain why people don't better themselves.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c well I disagree, User guy. Ed quits all the time when he know that person cant be reasoned with. Some biases are just too strong. Thats what great debaters do. Hes not an angel. Hes an advocate.
Time stamp for exact moment that realization happens?
Some people will say terrifying things to try and justify their choices
the good thing is, i dont think he genuinely believes any of the cray things he said. could be wrong though! you never really know whats really in someone's mind.
This is more sad than it is funny. It reminds us just how easily manipulated people can be by the culture and narratives they're surrounded by.
"“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire
AGREED. All I kept thinking is that the dude has been thoroughly brain washed before this
Wow
Just like those that back vaccines even though it’s pure poison.
I wish him all the best in his endeavours as he takes on the traits of a chicken from the KFC he just ate, to be a good husband and soldier.
LMAO
Absolutely FABULOUS comment, OMG God tier 👏🏻👏🏻🎉
This guy makes loopholes for himself like no other and can’t accept that he is wrong. I think you sowed some kind of seed of doubt, well done Ed! For his last “point”, if anything the meat industry is allowing chinas economy to become stronger because so many animal products come from China.
exactly. first he says there is a gap between animal and human suffering as big as between plant and animal suffering. next question he says there is no difference between cutting a broccoli vs a pig. hipocrisy.
@@tazztone I just don’t understand how someone would rather stretch their beliefs around 10 different arguments against them instead of just admit they are wrong and give it a try. When I was a Christian, I had to say “evolution and god can exist”, “other inhabitable planets and god can exist”, “social anthropology and god can exist”. But at some point it was so cumbersome to have to keep stretching my beliefs around something that is an unneeded hypothesis in the first place. It’s the same with veganism. The vegan argument is easily defensible where as the meat argument is easily dismantled. They can’t just keep making excuses can they?
@@sadface6635 i think this is purely a character flaw. not related to any topics discussed
@@tazztone very true!
14:33 "We have lost respect for animals, that's why there's so many vegans nowadays."
This dude's ability to believe in his own lies is insane lol
see also 'doublespeak' XD
As a vegan I have already harnessed plenty of rage learning about animal agriculture/all the other ways we use animals. Also speaking out, rescuing and protecting these animals has transformed my weak minded, former animal eating self into a much more powerful, effective human being.
My brain exploded listening to this young man. God bless you Ed for doing what you do. I've been vegan for over 25 years and no longer have the patience to engage with folks like him, though I do understand the absolute need to engage. You are a blessing and your calm and patient demeanor is admirable. Thank you!
God promotes meat. say "Lucifer bless you" instead. Ed is anti-Christ
That's so interesting. After 25 years I feel the same way.
I am only 3 years deep and had to stop outreach lol I have 0 patience for people like this.
@@leah425 it is your vegan mental illness kicking in
I so admire your poise and patience.
patience? He needs to be more patience because vegan arguments are full of nonsense!
@@AlexMonajemi Such as?
@@AlexMonajemi What is it that is nonsense then?
Bloody hell. Nothing worse than someone with a strong opinion on something they've clearly never thought about for more than 5 seconds.
lmao very true
Someone's trying really hard to justify eating meat. Sounds like a lot of his arguments are coming up on the fly and he's feeling insecure about his choices.
your right. he took the debate in such weird directions to rationalize eating meat when he knows hes wrong. what a joker
Being Vegan is much more easier than having to make all of these mental gymnastics leaps and bounds stemming from Cognitive Dissonance.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034
Each species has their own species specific diet based on physiology and anatomy.
Humans are primates.
Human are natural frugivores.
We originated from the tropical environments where whole, ripe, raw tropical fruits are our #1 ideal food source.
Our cells are fueled by glucose. We have to eat Vitamin C, our bodies don't make Vitamin C like other species do.
4 "food" groups that stimulate the same area of the brain as drugs do:
Meat, dairy, sugar, chocolate meaning these groups are highly addictive.
As hard as we may want to, we're never going to changed our species, our anatomy or our ideal food souce: whole, ripe, fresh hydrating fruits eaten in an abundance.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034
Thank you for supporting a Vegan channel. 😘
It is always impressive what people can come up with.
@@OnePieceFan2100
Yes, it is
I turned vegan, when I moved out of my parents home and Ed's videos really helped me to keep going! Amazing work!
I was a US Army soldier for several years and not a single ounce of animal flesh entered my body. I got several awards for being one of the most fit, most responsible, and most improved soldier my first one being in boot camp where I was recognized as the best soldier of they training class. Anyone that tells me that you need to be a meat eater to do the things that I did while in the military is just wrong because I did it without meat and many people I met while I was in also were vegan or at the very least vegetarian.
Thank you for your service... to your country AND the animals!
He’s also not heard of Desmond Doss, a US soldier in WW2 who did his miraculous feats while on a Vegetarian diet
@@salamaabid6923 Hacksaw Ridge, great film based on a great man. Absolutely correct.
@@Mark_Wheeler I appreciate it, but I prefer to not be thanked for my service. I have done nothing compared to what many others have done and are doing. They deserve the thanks.
Its cool you're a vegan but fighting for the US empire is disgusting. How many Iraqis did you rape and kill eh? there's not part of this Earth that hasn't been destroyed by America. Shame on you.
I love how vegan discussions have the rare ability to give a valuable window into another person's mind. you can't hide who you are or how your mind works in the face of veganism.
Yes, Mr. Winters’ understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶
The fact that he repeatedly asserts that "humans are animals" shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩
Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT to ban animal agriculture!
ruclips.net/video/Sl5GpxLXnuI/видео.html
(Go to the 8:15 mark).
without a doubt; not even debatable; I've done a lot of activism and I've experienced this; and this revealing bit extends to friends and family of course
@@veganfortheanimals6994 I have to give it to him tho, it has been a long time since I heard an argument against veganism that I haven't heard 1000x times. This was totally new to me.
Ed needs to redo his TEDx talk; Every argument against veganism (bloodlust edition, vegans can't defend themselves from possible invasions from other animal eating countries).
I'm not sure if I agree. It is a little harsh to judge someone's character based on a live debate. Most vegans, me included, grew up non-vegan. If confronted by those arguments it is - as we know - basically impossible to produce any valid argument against veganism. He didn't know that yet. So basically what you expect from him is to immediately, on the spot admit to a stranger that the way he lived his life - how he was taught to think since childhood - is deeply immoral.
I am not at all surprised that he responded the way he did. However I'd caution you to conclude from this reaction in this unique stress situation about his personality. I don't think he walked away from this conversation thinking "man I did great. I am so proud of my arguments". Maybe this uneasy feeling of cognitive dissonance will cause him to think more about how he should have responded to Ed. And maybe this is the start of the process that you probably went through already? This stuff takes time - always. It is one thing to point out when someone is behaving immorally - I am all for that - but it feels somewhat cocky to pretend you could judge how someone's mind works based on how they try to come up with an argument that they still think exists. You probably (unconsciously) spent days, weeks, months or maybe even years to realize that this argument does not exist.
political correctness is causing it. I'm a meat eater and proudly say I support animal abuse to continue eating meat, I've got NOTHING to hide. It's vegans who are the problem!
You asked him to debate a vegan and he delivered in spades. He went to every corner of his mind to find a way to justify his position.
I love watching these debates it's like mental training for when I have to have these conversations.
Bravo Ed for holding it together against ridiculousness! 👏👏👏
“Dominion creates a sense of responsibility to nurture” oof that was a GOOD line, Ed. Love your way of thinking brother!
Its a false narrative of Ed..... Dominion - CAN - create a sense of responsibility to nurture....
It Doesnt have to...... I Can dominate a pedophile or a wolf who tried to kill my child - That does not create a responsability to nurture...
So Ed and youre logic is totaly flawed.
Sad.
I had to cringe a lot at the end, I feel kinda sad for him somehow. The lack of self-awareness I suppose. Anyway hats off to Ed as always, I'm ever amazed by how quickly he knows how to respond with the right argument or question to dismantle the other person's argument
I always admire Ed for that. I feel I'd either get a little to emotional or I'd just not be able to take people like this guy seriously but Ed gets them to think about their own argument very well. Even if they're in extreme denial. I agree with you though, I do feel bad for this guy. Anyone who says the words he does is lost and it's unfortunate
Cringe? The average person only eats several cows their lifetime. You wouldn't tell meat eaters that right? Because it's quite small. Would render veganism useless. Come on! Make better arguments please instead of showing your emotions and letting them control yoU!!!
@@AlexMonajemi first of all your claims are wildly untrue. Secondly, youre one to talk about letting your emotions control you. I've seen you on earthling eds, joey carbstrongs and many other vegans RUclips videos for literally YEARS defending yourself against no one and fighting with the air kind of like some of those homeless guys you see outside gas stations.
Oh man the level of patience Ed has is unbelievable 😂
Why ? Noone is superior to noone, being plant based foesnt necesarilly mans you are a morally superior human than someone else. L'abbee pierre gave shelter and food to millions of starving homeless people he has displayed more compassion and "morality" than an average dude who just stops eating blood while hating people who live differently. Nothing is black and white. I ve crossed countless vegan who were primaraly misanthropists and have the seed of past fascist in them while convincing themselves they are on the "pure race" side.
The dude has been as patient and respectful as Ed.
I actually feel lit of live and compassion for them both.
Equally. Like i have for animals. Many vegan hide thenselves behind a "morally" better practice to put themselves above their neighbour, which is pathetic and detrimental to everyone including our animal brothers.
Ps. So you can label me and kniw what level of compassuon to give me, im plant based eater 😂
Not even 1 minute in & id be losing my mind along with all my brain cells trying to make sense of his position. I really don’t know how you do it Ed lol.
I'm not even kidding I stopped the video at the same time Told my wife " wow, I can't believe the shit I just heard" then proceeded to show her the video
did you know the average person only eats 5 cows their lifetime? I bet you wouldn't tell that to people since they'd figure that's too low and would avoid veganism. Most people don't know this and you probably didn't. veganism is utterly useless and a sign of selfishness!!!
@@ninetysomethingmillion4501 "advocates and activists are fine as long as they don't advocate against killing animals". Do you realise that almost all the progress the human species ever made was due to activists? They are literally some of the most important people on earth, right up there with scientists. There's a reason everyone knows who Martin Luther king was, everyone knows the name Gandhi, or the name Rosa Parks. While you continue to be an insignificant consumer with a net negative impact on society, the human genome and our planet.
@@ninetysomethingmillion4501 He works for his money & earns it. Then puts that money to good use by supporting himself more ethically & using a lot of it to help others, influencing thousands upon thousands every day. What exactly are you doing with your life?
@@ninetysomethingmillion4501 You're helping the algorithm get his video out there. You're also helping him make money just by watching his videos. Thank you for your support!
Just on his point with Lent and not eating meat during that time...if eating meat makes you angry/wrathful and being angry/wrathful is a sin, then eating meat makes you sin? So why not avoid it all the time to avoid being more sinful?
The entire synopsis and premise of the Bible is literally that man destroyed the vegan paradise called Eden and that God will one day reinstate it. It's not about Jesus or the other three thousand people mentioned in the Bible. How can Christians ENTIRELY miss the point of the Bible?
Because hwiyte American Christians have learned to love violence and believe its their right to attack anyone. It's part of their culture.
exactly, just don't eat meat at all then, but trying to find logical consistencies with religious people is a lost cause
I love how as he was describing his own stance, he kept laughing at himself. Like he was realizing how dumb his ideas were as he was saying them out loud. Gotta give him props for sticking with it.
What this guy said is quite scary. How can someone think that not harming animal makes you weak??? He should watch “The Game Changers” and realise that there are super strong MEN that are 100% vegan. And their muscles are big!
Well done Ed for being so patient!!
It's also scary because he basically advertised for the right of a more intelligent alien species to eat us all
Now that was the most bizzare argument I have heard from the pro-meat people. I'm not even sure you can persuade somebody with such warped opinions that they are wrong.
His argument is based on the (wrong) belief that meat magically makes people more capable of defending a country. I guess you only have to proof to him that a society is fine and striving on plant based diet and that’s it.
The worrying thing is he might reproduce lol
the intro cut after “what do you need that bloodlust for” -> “engineering is very competitive” is hilarious
I really love this comedy sketch.
Lol, I say the same thing. I used to like watching pranks and stand-up comedy but who needs those if we have vegan-carnist debates, right?
Lolllll
This guy is the personification of "toxic masculinity." Confusing cynicism with realism and egocentrism with character.
And at the end of the day probs would be a snivelling wreck if he had to kill a pig/confront a bear/go to war.
@@rozalynanderson8387 To be fair so would the vast majority of vegans.
@@MK_ULTRA420 But we don't claim that it is a good thing, so why shouldn't we be appaled?
@@derpfaddesweisen Because you're a sniveling wreck.
@@MK_ULTRA420 of course! But hes claiming meat gives him super powers lol
OMG I JUST CACKLED THE MOST IVE EVER CACKLED AT ANY UTUBE VIDEO EVER 😂😂 people say 'I'm crying' but I actually was crying with laughter truly.. just something about that nano-blank-stare and then "...Well, engineering's competitive" and then the cut I literally fell over I died. Omg. I will laugh at that for weeks. That poor boy ugh god this is on the internet. Merciless Ed 😂😂
If Vlad's fear is actually a chinese takeover because they still consume meat, he should know, that China is aiming to lower their meat consumption till 2030 by 50% and thereby harness the improved health benefits of consuming fewer dead animals.
Love listening to you always arguing so rationally and well-informed Ed. Thank you so much for your content!
Wow, I hadn't heard that.
They're doing that because China's meat supply is unable to meet their peoples' demand. The vast majority of Chinese people are plant-based anyways.
China will beat the west to Veganism. They beat us in everything anyway.
LOL good luck with that. If anything causes the people to overthrown the CCP, it’ll be that.
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His basic argument is, "Against." So young and so caught up in himself. Thank you Ed for doing and sharing this with us!
The system (christian parents, school, politicians, news outlets, pastors) in which he's raised turned him into that, a dumb and ignorant young person, completely devoid of intelligence and critical thinking
Love Ed's face whenever he says "oh, don't worry about me"
it's a glimse into him laughing his ass off on the inside at these rediculous arguments xD
I literally facepalmed when he said that meat eaters eat meat with reverence to the animals and with respect. Oh yeah. I'm sure everyone at the McDonald's drive-thru is sitting in their car thinking about and contemplating the life of the animal that was killed for their Big Mac. I mean, wow!
He needs blood lust to be a better engineer? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
The longer he talked the more he twists himself into knots.
I hear ya
There’s literally no excuse not to be vegan lol
I don't need to make excuses. I just don't want to be vegan
@Anon Anon This is natural, we always use animals for various things.
@Anon Anon well fundamentally it's impossible to argue the point because vegans believe animals are equal beings while meat eaters do not.
Communist invasion tho
@@alakazamhippity3192 Sim ( Yes).
In my opinion it took me ten years to really looking foward my health having that care after that i realized what i was doing to my body then i looked for documentaries to know what i was putting in mybody and i realized what massacre i was supporting . Vegan for life . Very greatful for ed winters
"i don't wana sound like an ancient hipster". Proceeds to say "i believe that humans need to be able to harness the ancient primal rage"
But he said that "I don't wanna sound..." Phrase before, so it's all good 😌😂
@@onewa712 i don't wana sound like I'm doing it , but I'm doing it
@@ZephyrFlaei another one would've been "I'm not racist, but" 😆
no human has ever been vegan. they all die young or go back to eating meat.
@@GarudaLegends hahahaha yeah, not really ruclips.net/video/O6oJA_xhTa8/видео.html
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Ed coming off as Spider-Man and the other guy coming off as the green goblin wanting “power beyond your wildest dreams” lmao 🤣
Incredible how someone wanting to be an engineer, a logic-based profession, can have such illogical opinions like being religious and believing the whole alpha-male bullshit.
When he talked about "creating a monster and controlling him" I just cringed and laughed at the same time.
> illogical opinions like religion
“Yuo want to be an engineer, and yet.. you believe in God? Curious..”
@cabalo doido I never used 4chan myself actually. I guess I only got "assimilated" into some of its "culture."
@@2tehnik Many respected figures in various STEM fields (perhaps most notably, a good number of physicists) believe in a creator god. Significantly fewer have anything good to say about organized religion.
Welcome to humanity.... Seriously though. If you expect every person working in a logic based profession is a 100% logic driven person then you're in for a big surprise. That is simply not how humans work. I'm a pretty logical person myself and yet act illogical on many occasions.
Human feelings, emotions and desires are inherently not always logical when compared to a logical conclusion.
I can hear the Jordan Peterson in the way he talks
I can't stand people who talk about being insensitive sociopaths as if it's some amazing spiritual revelation they had that they don't give a shit.
True. Conservatism is basically a lifestyle of trying to make being despicable and stupid sound poetic.
They see themselves as super logical when they're actually pretty irrational.
The weird shit people come up, “Grr I need to satisfy my blood lust for engineering.”
Hahahaha it’s so dumb
I don't know how Ed manages to have the patience for these people. It's incredible really.
Patience and straight face. I would have laughed the whole interview xD
This was a great one Ed, you did a great job pointing out the contradictions, also props to the interviewee (Vlad) for remaining respectful. It's an interesting position Vlad's taken... a nation of the most heart disease and obesity riddled - diagnosed at young ages of 20's, 30's, and 40's now, Alzheimer's, erectile dysfunction, lower fertility rates epidemic, increased diseases overall, higher all cause mortality, and terrible health in general - all correlated with meat consumption/oils, is more fit to defend its land? What a fascinating outlook. I realize Ed doesn't want to get into the health aspects as it's a much more difficult and broader issue to debate, (and veganism is about morals) but from a health perspective, all of Vlad's points are moot and fiction.
If I was living in fear and worried about who's invading who and in that invasion mindset, I would much rather have unclogged brains, unclogged arteries, big veiny veins, and extremely fit professionals defending "our land" than the short life expectancy clogged brigade, unable to think clearly, and *sustainably live past 45 without visiting the ER yearly, and loaded up on dependent medications. Cheers
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Perfectly said! 🙌
LOL - At the end of the conversation, this guy is lucky he's talking to Ed instead of Vegan Gains - lol. Oh, you think that you can kick my ass because I'm Vegan! Offense taken, challenge accepted.
cage match lmao
"A cheesy line from spiderman, the Tobey Maguire ones, the good ones" Sold. I am now a Vegan because of this!
6:52
Ed: "Do you agree or disagree that morally there is a distinction between cutting the stock of a broccoli and cutting the throat of a pig?"
Guy: "No"
Me: Wowwwwww really?? 😂😂😂
"I don't want to eat anything that had a mother." - Mr. Rogers
But plants have mothers and fathers
Seahorse is back on the menu boys
Ed: What do you need that bloodlust for?
Vladimir: Engineering is competitive…
Now I've heard everything 🤣
I'm vegan, and when people invade my home, I simply lack the bloodlust required to defend myself, and I definitely don't grab my gun and scare them off. So I end up getting beaten and robbed. I'm glad the fellow you interviewed brought up this important and urgent issue!
Least you now know where you're going wrong!
My god where the hell do you live?
Wow Ed!! I don't know how you listen to those people. But, I'm thankful you're out there trying to help animals.
Yes, Mr. Winters’ understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶
The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals” shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩
Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT to ban animal agriculture!
“I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”.
Mr. E. Winters, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐
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Go to the 8:15 mark.
“I am the one that’s responsible, what’s happened” Jeffrey Dahmer . ruclips.net/video/-m9XjjScrUY/видео.html !!!!
This was extremely hard to stomach. Incredible that this guy had the audacity to talk about avoiding sin, and yet is refusing to let go of his pride.
Very strong fascist vibes from this guy.
His whole argument feels like peak tribalism.
tribalism and fascism are two different things
@@hsdjsdshdhsdnsmsd6247 I’ll grant that engaging in tribalism isn’t always fascist, but fascism seems to necessarily be tribalist.
The guy is definately a fascist.
My feelings exactly. I agree with you. This horrible guy gives me the chills. He says: "I don't have a problem when animal is tortured". He's obnoxious.
"We've got to oppress or else we'll become the oppressed."
-citizen of a democratic-republic
So true, medieval ideology
Ed, how do you continue to show so much emotional restraint and remain composed in debates such as this? I had a brief stint of activism (anonymous for the voiceless) and found it to be incredibly draining as I was constantly met with the same outdated reasons for meat consumption. I stepped away from it as it was too much. More power to you dude, because what you and your team are doing is truly worthy, meaningful and deserves praising. Thank you.
I aspire one day to be as well thought and collected as Ed when he's having these conversations in these vids
I could never be that well thought and collected if I live to be 150... The blokes a bloody legend, a complete one off. How lucky is the vegan movement to have him!
After watching the video, I actually believe that in the future Vladimir might see some of the flaws in his argument and eventually become vegan. I think the fact that he contradicted himself so many times and in the end came to such a ludicrous conclusion (that Veganism will lead to a communist invasion), shows that he is grasping at straws in order to justify his actions.
Most of us weren't vegan from the moment we first heard about it, and it's unjust to judge people who are probably exposed to these ideas for the first time, for not immediately agreeing with Veganism. We're not capable of changing people's lifelong views in one swift conversation; the goal is to plant a seed that might sprout in a month, a year, or a decade. Ed made this man think about his actions, and whether it be consciously or subconsciously, a seed was planted.
It's also important not to mock Vladimir in the comments because at the end of the day, the goal of these videos is to provide vegans with better communication and debating skills so they are able to get their point across in a more coherent and convincing fashion, and to start conversations with non-vegans or provoke some thoughts about the subject in their mind.
By posting negative comments about Vladimir (apart from the fact that I think that's wrong) we might be portraying ourselves as less inviting towards non-vegans who have decided to watch the video and might want to discuss the topic in the comments.
It is important to remember that in the fight for Veganism, the animals, not us, are the focal point, as they are the ones being oppressed.
As hard as it may be, even when somebody completely disagrees with our fight, it's important not to antagonize people, because that will only lead society further away from Veganism.
Ed, you are an inspiration and I truly admire the work that you are doing for the animals, the environment and for justice! ❤️🐔🌱
Wow good empathy there and a reminder to the rest of us on why we are passionate about the vegan cause. Yep this is not about how Ed “won” or how ridiculous Vlad’s arguments are. This is about whether this is a starting point for Vlad (and others like him) to have an internal dialog.
Vlads gonna need years of therapy when he watches this in a few years time lol
@@RK-nq3fj I completely agree with you.
The notion that someone can win a debate, whose sole purpose was to educate and prokove thoughts is preposterous.
By portraying these debates as if they have a winner and a loser, we are making it even harder for people to move towards Veganism as that might now entail defeat in their mind.
As a matter of fact, if Ed "wins" the debate and manages to convince the other person to reflect upon his decisions, both sides have won. This is not a zero sum game.
Appreciate the comment! 🥰
👏👏yess it’s so frustrating seeing all these vegans jump on the tribal bandwagon and mockery which is so so so counterproductive which indirectly causes unnecessary harm to animals since it will dissuade people to become vegan.
You can see behind the bravado and excuses this guy has a good heart and wants a hug.