There is one argument vegans can't debunk (vegans kill animals too)
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I don't know about you, but I'm seeing the 'crop deaths' argument come up way too often recently, potentially fuelled by Joe Rogan frequently bringing up 'facts' about how vegans are killing more animals than non-vegans. So I think it's time to delve into this 'ultimate argument' against veganism and answer the hard question, are we responsible for killing more animals during crop production? All sources at the bottom of the description.
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I don't know about you, but I'm seeing the 'crop deaths' argument come up way too often recently, potentially fuelled by Joe Rogan frequently bringing up 'facts' about how vegans are killing more animals than non-vegans. So I think it's time to delve into this 'ultimate argument' against veganism and answer the hard question, are we responsible for killing more animals during crop production? All sources at the bottom of the description.
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They’ll deflect any rebuttal with the most minuscule of arguments, Eddie.
it's their favorite argument now. Move over protein tho, god tho, personal choice tho, etc.
animal feed crop death is imensily worse..
yes insect die for vegan crops. but more insect die for crops for cattle feed...
"cow also walk on insect omg" stop breeding them? xD lol
All Joe Rogan does is listen to these omnivores or carnivores (lol) and copy what they say without actually looking into the evidence to see if it's correct or not. The debate between Chris Kresser and James Wilks was so funny lol.
it's amazing how people that don't care about cows, pigs, or chickens seem to care so much about mice lol
Speciesism but even more absurd
Farm animals are made for human consumption, its their main purpose in live, thats not the case for wild animals.
@@bluemeister22 That's just what you tell yourself to not feel bad when you eat them. They are all individuals with personalities and a will to live their life. You sentence them to die for you every time you put meat on your plate.
@@bluemeister22 so if I raise a kid for consumption the it's fine to kill them?
yes mice activists. i love mice and all animals i'm vegan.
Veganism isn't about being perfect but it is about causing the least harm.
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Ok eat grass fed beef then
Amen sister ❤
@@slikasrick I'm vegan since October 13th 1990. Before all these vegan influencers on social media. And what I meant by my o.c. is that one cannot be perfect all the time. I drive a Jeep and I run over insects.. I live in Mexico and I don't have the luxury to shop at all vegan shops like you most likely do. Congratulations and I'm jealous. But I unfortunately can't do that.
So that is what I mean when I say that veganism isn't about perfection. Got it? Good.
@@slikasrick - how is intentionally killing a cow several times a year “least harm?” And there isn’t enough pasture land in the world to meet the current demand for meat. That’s why the Amazon is being cut down - for cattle pasture and crops to fatten up cattle for market. If you are proposing that the citizens of industrialized nations reduce their beef consumption to the once per month that everyone eating pasture raised cattle would require, then yes, I am all for that solution. And you and Rogan are ridiculously uninformed if you think that mice are not smart enough to run out of the path of a harvester. If they were that slow witted your pastured cows would be stepping on them and killing as many as a harvester.
Why not unite, vegans, vegetarians and meateaters in the battle for organic, non gmo, non toxic, natural, local food?
bc this debate is for many people not to find the good for us, it's to feel better about oneself and let your personal hate flow through pseudo arguments to feel superior to other humans you project a certain image on
Take yourself back in time, just 100 years. Black people were slaves, because of thier skin colour. Now imagine you are not fighting for thier freedom, but asking people to raly for organic produce. 🤔
Once you have freed your Victims, we can spend energy on making things better in other areas.
@@QueenChelly92 animals wont be freed they will be put down, is that what vegans want?
@@QueenChelly92take yourself even further back in time and realize that all races were enslaved at some point. Also look up the first legal slave owner in America.
@allthingsbeauty9175 what's your point ? Are we not meant to evolve? Make the world better for everyone including animals ?
“In order to grow tofu”
What a well educated man.
Well, he did say beans
😂
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It‘s Ted Nugent, what did you expect 😂
If grows on tofu trees 🤭
2 weeks vegan now and I actually feel great and I'm going to stay vegan
Nice! I improved a lot in my cooking skills after going vegan, learned of new vegetables and recipies. It's actually a great way to enjoy the food you eat more, hope you have a similar journey!
Nice! I think it's important to acknowledge that if you "slip up" you're not failing! I remember when I started and realized that I'd been consuming gelatin I felt so guilty. Things aren't black and white. :))
Awesome! I became vegan about 2 months ago and I feel great
Just remember veganism isn't about being perfect! You're doing great, keep it up 🖤🖤
@@kierstenclaire thank you so much 😊
I love how you title these videos to lure in anti-vegan critics, and then end up debunking them gloriously
Genius!
oop but now they read ur comment and exited b4 the video started
@@an6350, they can't read that fast.
Fake dont by foold
Exactly!👏
Thank you so much for this Ed. When I see this information spread across the internet it's tough, it really gets me down. It's flat out exhausting to see so many of my fellow human beings so willingly and blatantly ignore the truth out of greed and self-affirmation. It's like nobody gives a shit, like nobody will make the slightest self-sacrifice for a better future, like people only care about being right, about wining the argument and feeling good all of the time; having the "freedom" to do whatever you want no matter the victim (horribly, ironically, eventually, themselves). It seems like there is a blanket of consumerist arrogance that has enveloped us all - "don't tell me what to do" , is the only principle anyone cares about. It's an up-mountain battle with a ton of bricks on your back, but you are unrelenting. The hope that you and this community gives me is hard to describe. You are on the right side of history, the side of truth. Thank you for your incredible patience and hard work.
So sad that he is wrong!!! Corn is not the number one source of food harvested (WORLD WIDE) its sugar root and sugar cane. And corn is not only used for feeding its used to make plastic and other products to conserve your carrots and make products in the medical field to SAVE HUMAN LIVES!! PS> Shame on you for consuming foods that come from sweat shop conditions and child labor. YOU ARE A CRIMINAL!! You want to save animals. Stop having kids!!
you sound like one of those people who makes veganism their whole personality. you can believe what you believe but that doesnt mean we have to emulate your lifestyle because your so "right" all your doing is making people ostracise you and not want to associate with your cause
I honestly think that vegan activists should do more research.
The whole thing about it being more eco friendly is false. 2 percent of a cows diet is edible by humans. Most of the water being used is grey water (rain water) and the land being used is useless to crop farmers because of the rocky terrain and the slopes that are to steal to grow anything.
You say that plants don’t feel pain which is technically true since they lack a functioning brain but the do in fact let out screeching noises when in distress, they let out a chemical as a distress call. Not to mention that they do develop bonds with other plants. They can communicate with plants that are close to them and even show a bond when the other plants are moved far away.
There has also been no scientific proof that a vegan diet is healthier then a normal one. It has been seen that vegans are more likely to have a stroke but less likely to have certain heart diseases.
I personally respect your lifestyle choices but I don’t see why you guys act like you are better then us.
What's funny to me is how they see these crop deaths a "vegan" problem like they don't eat anyhing that has to do with it.
Precisely! Don't meat eaters eat bread, burger buns, hot dog rolls etc? Potato fries? My favourite is the almond milk 'argument'. For sure everybody eats almonds, not only vegans in their 'milk'
What's funny to me is that you can't see your own hypocrisy. You're the ones who are making a fuss out of killing animals, but refuse to take responsibility when they are killed to feed you.
@@carlyblankevoort3856 wait till they find out about what cows and pigs eat
Considering most of those crops go as animal feed but they continually conveniently ignore that fact. The hypocrisy stinks don't it?
No it's about the hypocrisy of vegans, you see. I guess this went over your head.
Became vegan 2 months ago and I have lost about 20lbs, my energy levels are amazing, and I feel so much better.
Winston Smith, I went vegan 7 months ago, and lost 17 lbs. But now my weight loss has stopped cos I found vegan junk food lol. Vegan pizza here I come! Lol. Well done!👏👏☺️☺️❤️❤️✌️
Fantastic! Just make sure you're getting all the protein, vitamins and nutrients you need, it's very easy for people to go vegan and just eat leafy salads all day and then complain that the vegan diet is making them weak and low energy.
@Insanitygamer: This is SO TRUE! I went plant based without researching or talking to someone that is plant based and I went downhill for almost a year. With the right amount of protein, healthy fats and nutrients I feel amazing now. I'm on year ✌🏼
ive been a vegan for 7 years but i gained weight bc i had to learn how to cook n enjoy food (i was sickly thin before and now im normalish like medium thin i guess?) actually trying to lose a bit of weight for summer but its hard lol 😅
That’s awesome! I’ve been vegetarian for 2 months but slowly going vegan.
Nice to see Cosmic Skeptic (Alex O. Connor) getting recognition in the beginning.
He's friends with Ed, I think. Really cool seeing him here, yes, he puts out very good content!
They've made a video together on Alex's channel ;)
Alex is great
@@zerid0 Have to see that !
That didn't hold up well lol
honestly ed, I've been debating this with a mate of mine who religiously watches joe rogan. It so good to be able to come back to this video and share it with my friend so that he can actually look at real statistics instead of being influenced by personality ignorance (imo). you da best
So sad that he is wrong!!! Corn is not the number one source of food harvested (WORLD WIDE) its sugar root and sugar cane. And corn is not only used for feeding its used to make plastic and other products to conserve your carrots and make products in the medical field to SAVE HUMAN LIVES!! PS> Shame on you for consuming foods that come from sweat shop conditions and child labor. YOU ARE A CRIMINAL!! You want to save animals. Stop having kids!!
one of the arguments I get is you cant avoid eating something living or once living because micro organisms are everywhere, no matter how clean your salad or whatever your eating, its impossible to not eat some little micro organisms.
@eight7934 Very true.. Breast feeding is painful in many cases, which makes us non-vegan straight from the womb.
@@eight7934Micro organisms don’t all die when we eat them, our stomachs aren’t acidic enough. That’s why we get sick from eating rotten foods. 🤣
@@raiitalySo, you still haven’t been weaned!? My condolences to your mother. 🤡
Not a vegan but I appreciate you laying out the explanation of the studies
People find a study then claim it’s a fact…
cap
@@bruhmungus What's cap?
True vegans believe it is immoral to kill animals. Then why would they participate in this even if it lessons the overall toll compared to carnivorous diets?
@@DefeatLustit means lying I guess
@@skincarerainbow4950 lol ty 👍🏽
Chris Kresser and these other geniuses are world-class award-winning mental gymnasts.
So is E..d or maybe just deceitful - when he talks about percentages of soy/corn for animal feed he misses the part where itnearly ALWAYS has multiple uses. With Soy - soy oil for humans is the money making gold - and the left overs are used as animal feed. Lots of examples of this with all the different crops, usually it has a profitable human use first and the animals are fed the remaining husks and less profitable parts.
@@soypusher5567 You non vegans don't think we research into that? From official pricing soy oil is worth roughly $1100 per metric tonne, soymeal on the other hand is worth in the quality that most farmers buy, roughly $600 per metric tonne. However from soybean plantations approximately 80% is soymeal and 20% is oil. So in the quantities produced the soymeal accounts for roughly 2/3 of revenue and therefore is the more profitable. So the argument that this is just a byproduct of the oil industry is a lie as the majority of soymeal is produced with the desire for soymeal rather than extras from soy oil
@@soypusher5567, what @Not Me said, and furthermore, there are only a few uses where soy oil is indispensable, in most cases it's preferred only because of price, and the price is low because it's a byproduct of meal production. So, it seems your screen name is inaccurate. But whatever you're pushing certainly is deep.
@@soypusher5567 no the leftovers aren't used for animal feed, the bulk of soy is used for animal feed. Corn is different depending on country, in the US corn syrup is a huge industry, but i think you'll find that vegans avoid it more than omnis, as vegans are typically more health conscious, although of course not always.
@@soypusher5567 It's a moot point anyways, you'll always have to feed animals something, it's basic earth science and energy levels, the fact is you cannot feed everyone on the planet a meat based diet without feeding the animals, and to do this without factory farming is impossible without taking up insane amounts of land and this isn't even taking into consideration the pollution these animals cause in terms of sewage and methane emissions (which is worse than CO2).
People talk when they have no idea what they are saying. Thank you Ed for clearing the air :)
This is so true.
Oh yeah? I think Ed is the confused one?ruclips.net/video/oDXo1bGKdMs/видео.html
@@diandragomez6208 Soy oil is in lots of foods and used in lots of restaurants so it is used more so by non vegans (by default since there are more of them). Furthermore, animals do not just eat soy meal...
@@nataliemiller2397 You're getting off the topic on how it's humans that eat the soy and the animals get the inedible part. So, Ed the head is lying.
@@diandragomez6208 What point were you trying to make then? In the video you shared it was about how animals eat the inedible part of the soy plant but the soy was grown too for the oil which more non vegans eat. Soy that is used for tofu, etc is a much smaller number. The animal agriculture industry is a big reason why soy is grown for oil at all.
I have been coming back to this video every 6 months or so. Really, really great information to absorb and retain. Thank you, Ed 😊
Joe Rogan will never debate any higher tier vegan debaters like Dr Avi Bitterman, the Nutrivore or Ask Yourself, and we all know why.
Ed strawmanned the argument at 0:45 because the clip was specifically about hunting. A wild boar, deer, etc. do not eat farmed grains so a hunter is not responsible for any crop deaths. So it is very possible that a hunter is responsible for fewer deaths than a vegan. Of course a lot of hunters (e.g. Rogan) use this as an excuse to justify gluttonous consumption from animal agriculture but that only reflects their poor character and lack of self discipline.
no, nugent and rogan are pitching the argument as hunting vs veganism, as if factory farming isn't responsible for the overwhelming majority of animal deaths. hunting is not sustainable at all if omnivores converted to that rather than factory farming. rogan's podcast is full of bad faith arguments.
@@TheOnlyTalia Right, but they are not telling other people to adopt a hunting lifestyle -- as you point out it is not viable for the current meat consumption to be provided by hunting. Also, most people (e.g. myself) have no interest in hunting. I think Rogan, Nugent, etc. are more annoyed by the "preachiness" of vegans claiming they have some moral high ground. However, this is not true since, theoretically there could be a hunter who survives on precisely three deer per year thus is responsible for fewer deaths than an average vegan.
@@TheOnlyTalia Also, for what it's worth, I've seen a couple of clips where Rogan sounds pretty opposed to factory farms and slaughterhouses. I just think he does not have the self discipline to be 100% hunter or 100% vegan. So he uses the "amorality" of hunting as an excuse for his gluttonous habits, e.g. eating fast food.
@@mistahkurtz2351 That's a bad faith argument again, how about instead of comparing a non industrialized hunter with an industrialized vegan, compare a non industrialized hunter to a non industrialized vegan who grows their own food. The vegan would result in not killing any animals and still have the moral high ground. Most wont do either as both are a harder lifestyle to adhere to and most don't have the means to do it either. Still not a solution to the problem, just excuses. Next...
Edited for coherence lol
And I’m so tired of Rogain calling vegans self-righteous. Yeah we are so self-righteous that we never think of sentient life before us. 🤦🏼♀️
Haha Rogain 😂😂😂 good one....a nice, subtle jab
How funny that most vegans are pro abortion 😂
@@izabeera166 How funny that most Christians (and Republicans) want to force a woman to give birth but then tell her she's on her own when it comes to raising that kid, finding a job while mothering, educating that kid, etc. And if she's young and poor, Christians and Republicans are both very good at insisting that she stand on her own two feet and take care of child care herself while holding down a menial job.... because they won't pay for upgrades to her education or her child care because that would be like socialism and they aren't into that.
@@izabeera166 Who is pro-abortion? You mean, pro-choice.
@@izabeera166 early fetus =/= sentient
As soon as an unborn has brain activity and can be considered sentient, abortion should no longer be allowed (which it isn't anyway). I don't see anything wrong with abortion before that, why would you disagree?
Thank you for your stellar report and all your hard work getting it all together and keeping the tone of it all peaceful. Shalom.
Lobster still is nice for every evenings first course
I am so happy for getting here. Thanks for all of your work Ed. I´m sure you are saving more lives than you know.
That’s incredible that veganism saves human lives. I’m so glad I found out this fact.
People would do absolutely anything not to face and live the truth. We've all heard every poor excuse under the sun. This particular argument is ridiculous and I'm glad you made a video about it. Thank you!
Love and hugs! 💕🌿
Even though being vegan is a good thing. Ever consider that there's places around the world that have disparities which wouldn't allowed them to be vegan in the first place?
Very well put!
@@depthsothenso813 yes, there are vegans that consider this too. :)
The thing with veganism is minimizing and doing your best. Some people don't have the opportunity to go vegan and that's ok. Maybe in some time when veganism will be more popular even these people will have the opportunity to go vegan.
@@depthsothenso813
Look at the definition of veganism:
"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude - *as far as is possible and practicable* - all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
@@ConsciousBrosCommunity and @Ina perfectly summed up exactly what I was going to say 💕
Someone needs to start a petition to get Ed on the joe rogan experience
lol why would Joe have him? this guy is bias. If u own a plant chances is u killed tons of animals.
@@fauzo He’s not biased though is he
Ed is a bad dude lol
@@Akiyako-Toru and he cheats
@@paolarosichetti899 ikr ed is such a dooch
Actually, being a fruitarian is the best way to limit death. The fruits of a plant are the only thing nature gives up willingly (without resistance (when ripe)) for consumption. Many seeds spread and propagate through the consumption and digestive breakdown of them. Every species on earth, both plant and animal, gives resistance to death. Only the fruits of a plant willingly give themselves up for consumption. That being said, I do agree a plant-based diet reduces the overall plant and animal deaths as opposed to any other diet aside from fruitarian. To improve the stats even more it is important to look at how we grow our food and put serious effort into much more sustainable practices. This can be said towards the farming of animals and their feed as well.
No, I'm not a fruitarian, but I do view it as the ideal diet.
“In order to grow tofu” “so you can have a tofu salad” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Some of these non-vegan arguments aren't based on science and logic but on people not wanting to change.
Taste pleasure makes you lose all sense of logic or rationale.
They are people who hate to see the truth, even if it hits them right in the face like a sledgehammer.
@AcidityWormhole
What would you call not giving away any money you don’t technically need, if that dollar could save a starving child?
Financial pleasure?
@@poerava after reading this comment, it’s clear what I said still holds veracity.
@@LadyCoyKoi I own a shooting club which I used to have a full kitchen with staff. I did have a few vegan options to fit their wants. However the vegans weren't satisfied with just a few options they demanded the whole menu vegan. They brought in their friends and they started to raise a stink in my clubhouse.
So I decided to do the right thing I fired my kitchen staff and I closed down the kitchen and concession stand. The idea has worked out for those involved. Now all I allow there is bottled water and they have to buy it from me. The vegan competitive shooters still try to sneak in food and beverages. They are not happy about that I am not selling anything but bottled water
The other thing that bothers me about this argument is, unless they are on a carnivore diet, likely most of their diet is made up of plants as well. Its not like only vegan eat plants!
Just an FYI that humans can’t survive on a 100% carnivorous diet because they would suffer severe health problems and likely die. Even native Alaskans and Canadians that historically survived on fish and marine mammal meat and blubber had to eat some vegetation including the stomach contents of animals or they would suffer things like scurvy and digestive diseases from lack of fiber.
@@reneelazzareschi9953 I always find this interesting with the rise of the carnivore diet. Fiber is highly debated regularly, vitamin C, vitamin A and thiamine (I think its thiamine) are also brought up with heated internal debates about organ meats. Extreme vegan or extreme carnivore with all ethics aside isn't meeting the nutritional requirements.
@@reneelazzareschi9953 This is incorrect. There are individuals, who for health reasons, have changed their diets to 100% beef. They have done it for several years and are healthier as a result...Jordan Peterson is 1 example of this diet.
@@reneelazzareschi9953 Real carnivores make their vitamin C I think. We’re not carnivores
@@angycucumber4319 she didn't say we are. Human are Omnivores.
You are a beautiful human Ed! Thank you so much for all your efforts and videos! Much love!
The butches delivering fresh meat to us daily as well deserve some praise, don't you think?
How many farms have you been on?
0:37
this guy does know that tofu isn't "grown" right?
like, how cool would that be though? a tofu tree or bush. i'd plant that.
Imagine waking up early to pick fresh tofu blocks from your tofu tree😋💚
Tofu is grown its just processed afterwards
I wish I had a tofu bush 😂 I’d save so much money!! 🤣
Tofu is just soy and soy is grown - but I guess that's one too many steps to follow.
well that guy seems to be severely lacking in the brain cell department
I end every video watching session with my boyfriend and I talking about how much we love Ed!
Thank you for giving us hope!
@Linuz Bengtsson yeah weird how vegan men look like women and women like men
@@DJTXD123 what is that even supposed to mean
Thanks for clearing this up 😊
Top video , thanks , you ve put a lot of work in
Love your work Ed! ✌️🥦
in Germany we have a game called "Stille Post" (translation: silent message). you play that game in a group, someone starts whispering a message into someone else's ear, that person then continues whispering the message as heard to another person, the last person then has to reproduce the original message. often times these two message are really different. I feel like the people who make these anti-vegan arguments are really just relying on what they've heard rather than questioning the original message
In America we call this game "Telephone" ☎️
In greece we call it broken telephone
In Israel, we call it "broken phone" too. טלפון שבור.
they use it as a 'gotcha' moment, lucky we have Ed 🤞🏽
Your pfp is so cute !
@@stephaniecorrea469 thank you :)
Luckily we have common sense*
@@butterflysoup7699 and that 😂
So cute your pfp is
I can't seem to find the original Joe Rogan videos that you are examining in this video. Were they perhaps taken down?
I come back to this video, over and over again. Keep your good work up throughput 2023 because EVERYONE needs the truth and not misinformation. Thank you Ed.
I turned vegan because of you. I was sick for a while, so I had already thought of making the switch, but your arguments just hit the nail in the coffin. Thanks Ed!
Kiss on your forehead !
Be careful with cereals products, the body doesn't like them.
why do you have D. B. Cooper as your profile picture?
"Hit the nail on the head" + "final nail in the coffin" = "Hit the nail in the coffin" 😂
You'll get sicker. Veganism isn't human. It's good, but it isn't us. And we're not cows or mice or pigs. Forget about them, they don't care about you. Not even dogs care about you, when you take away their food bowl.
i really struggle to answer all these questions that non-vegans are throwing at me, so i'm just gonna send them the links to your videos next time someone asks! thanks for making these vids, they're v helpful!!
What if they are a human supremacist?
@@fearthedeerreckmon8741 even if you believe human are infinitely more valuable, a vegan world is better as we'd easily be able to facilitate the food needs of our current starving population and our growing population
Yes i do it too lol. Idk if they actually watch it tho
They likely won't watch them, it would be better to study the videos and tell them the facts (what I plan to do!)
Didn't expect any less than Ed having his save energy filter almost orange😂
Once again on point! Great to hear this well-thought-out information.
This was the most respectful evisceration I have ever seen. I really enjoyed this, and learned lots as well!
“Respectful evisceration” *slow clap* Good phrase
Finally, ethical slaughter
You are just listening to what you want to listen to, if you have farmed before you know animals are getting killed left and right no matter what
@@blackmarlin3166 So lets not breed them into existence in yhe first place? It's very funny coming from someone who implies they are or have been a farmer, saying vegans only listen to what they want to. Besides it's missing the point completely. We look at it from an ethics perspective, and it's categorically wrong in that regard, from an environmental perspective and again according to pretty much any study it's also wrong, and from a health perspective while there isn't yet enough data to suggest that going vegan gives you superpowers (joke) there is enough data to suggest it is a complete and healthy diet. Like, seriously, I'm pretty sure you're the only one listening to what they want to
@@iwankozowski5621 lol lets get something right okay, only vegans are claiming that killing animals is immoral and the forced imaginary nutritional benefits of veganism are laughable. Vegan "doctors" like garth davis is a walking timebomb.
I don’t trust or take advice from anyone who doesn’t know “mice” is the plural form of mouse.
Ha!! So true 😂🤣😂
Duurrrrrrrrrrrrr....Mouse's.
I'm dead 🤣
Mouse is correct when it’s the adjective though.
You can use it as an adjective? An adjective can be plural? You have me intrigued. Example sentence please.
This point has literally helped so much..
Thank you.
Thank you for the content. Was looking around for more info on the matter and this definitely helped clear up some questions. Although I eat meat, I do believe we need to drastically reduce our consumption. Makes sense but it is crazy to see how much of our agricultural production is geared to feed livestock.
Wow, didn't realize anti-vegans had such concern for the lives of mice.
They'll pretend to care for anything, as long as they don't actually have to do anything lol
No they don’t, but they assume you do.
I could say the same about vegans when they argue that meat is unhealthy. Why are you concerned about my health?
Why does anybody care what anyone else does?
I don't care about mice
These people are just making excuses to justify their bad behavior. They don't want to be held accountable for their actions so they lie to themselves and others
Oh, you mean vegans of course, correct?
@@joeshmoe7967 oh yes,you mean meat-eaters, of course,correct?
Lol you sound like you're making excuses for being vegan.
Lol keep feeling sorry for a 500 pound heffer that got a bullet to the head. By the way were never going vegan lol.
Did you notice how he mentioned protein numbers but neglected the fact that cows grazing in a field doesn't destroy the natural habitats of other species of mice, rabbits, birds, insects etc.. cows grazing doesn't harm any of these things yet crop farming extinct species by destroying their natural habitats. All his numbers are skewed and incorrect. There is a much larger picture that vegans lack the mind power to consider (probably due to their poor diet.)
Great Work, thank you EE.
thank you Ed! great content
If great is the new BS
This is such an easy one to debunk, how are people still using this?
It’s so frustrating, most using this argument seem to forget that they also eat plants/ wheat
Sometimes I get the feeling that these tired old arguments are heard so much that it's so easy to repeat them and spark recognition in others without much thought put into it, eg all the 'arguments' against soy: yes we few vegans destroy the rainforest singlehandedly and are cackling about it 🤦♀️
@@Molscheira Nothing wrong with eating some bacon.
you're right, there's nothing wrong with eating vegan bacon!
@@johnbenson4927 Nothing wrong with skinning dogs alive as well, eh?
I pray this movement continues to gain huge momentum over the next few years.
@Grizzle'sMental
Same here! Amen!
@Novus Ordo You aren't vegan? So from a diet point of view you can't say that, and from an ethical point of view you are uneducated
@Novus Ordo We're just getting started
@@Matheus-si8vq Veganism is just a trendy religion. It'll soon be replaced by videogames and porn
@Novus Ordo Oh dear dear dear. I used to be like you buddy but it is really not a cult. Without sounding patronising you are very uneducated. I ate meat for most of my life but this is the way humans are meant to thrive. If you had the balls to give up meat and dairy for a year and ate a proper Vegan diet you would be blown away by how wrong you are. Your taste buds change and so does your smell. Cooked Meat starts to smell revolting and if you actually were able to not come here and attack people when you don’t know what you are talking about and watched a few documentary’s you would realise how stupid you sound I’m afraid pal. Fast food chains partnering with Vegan meat companies is just the start of a huge movement that is happening. Without being offensive, if you do the research you are a giving moron if you think meat, eggs and dairy are a good idea to eat 😂
Try eating those things in there raw form and see how you get on. ✌🏻🌱
PLEASE become a politician and run for a position. Your way of thinking and open mindedness is really what we need for this country. More vegan politicians should be in office to make a difference on these kinds of issues. Anyway, keep making these videos and spreading awareness! I have been vegan for a while and didn't know these arguments were even being made. Thank you for further educating me ♡
Yeah .. you need a lot of education, it would appear
@user-cg7tw5yc9n sometimes I feel like vegans are the only ones that care about issues such as the environment or animal cruelty. Do you not agree ?
@@anyadarlinggNo, I really don't agree with that. I would love to fight against animal cruelty and bad animal production practices, but vegans always chase me away with there moral grandstanding and attempts at guilt trips.
I don't feel guilty about eating meat and I never will because I see the world as an ecosystem we are part of not above. The ecosystem is one place where diversity is actually our strength. Vegans in my opinion muddy the issue and cause people that are not vegan not to bother fighting against these issues because they simply can't be arsed being called murderers all the time by zealot's.
@tannakaobi1 I understand that. Everyone in my life is non-vegan, and thinks eating meat is an ecosystem thing. I personally feel like if we had farms where animals died due to natural causes, that would be a bit different. One of my friends grew up on a farm like that.
But i think businesses are too money hungry and throw ethics out the window.
It would be refreshing to have a politician actually prioritize ethics, and the environment of the world we live in, over other things. I would at least like to see what impact it would make.
Hello is there a video on a rebuttal or argument against the Sacred Cow documentary/book/movement
RIP for Joe Rogan if ED was ever on his podcast
Joe knows a lot about ED thanks to all that Elk
@@pcaul8156 😄 this went over heads.
If/when that happens I can finally die happy
Ed: "the one person who I can always trust to give unbiased, evidence based arguments."
Everyone: It's Joe Rogan
Wow, so informative!!
Keep up the good work!
I went to my first Cube of Truth event yesterday and participated in the cube and outreach as well. Your videos have inspired me so much, and helped me prepare arguments for passers by. It was an amazing experience and I can’t wait to do it again! Thanks for everything you do for the animals.
Good job! :D
They’re doing Cubes again even in the pandemic still? Hmm. Doesn’t really seem safe yet, but that’s just my opinion. Either way, it’s cool to know that you did outreach in one
@@AmaraFerris It depends on the country they are and how they organized it
@@AmaraFerris we all wore masks under the masks. But the vaccine is available in my state now, I’m trying to get it soon but they were out the last time I called
I wish I could discuss with non vegans as Ed. When I argue/discuss with other vegans I get so emotional and has zero patience. I feel like I need to do some training about that ...... I wish I could be calm when I discuss.
For me it's all the pressure! I'm pretty much the only vegan in my friend group and I'm bad at discussions as well. It really helps to take a few breaths before answering and to assess the motivation behind the stated argument: I'm pretty bad with accusations being thrown at me (they make me emotional) but a genuine question or query from my friends I can answer calmly. Good luck in your discussions, I'm rooting for you 🌱
He is so calm because he knows most of the answers because he studies the argument he is very informed about food production, nutrition etc etc. If you know a shit is obvious that you may "lose" the discussions and get fustrated. Amat victoria curam= succes loves preparation.
It is easy to get emotional when talking about things that matter a lot to you. It is very frustrating when people continue to blindly consume animal products while making all the excuses under the sun to make themselves feel better, but you need to remember that you were in their position at some point, and it took a calm conversation to spark the self reflection that led to change!
@@Molscheira Avoid such arguments since the meat-eaters have no intention to learn but demanding from you to prove the obvious-to prove that you are not an elephant... We have nothing to prove. If they feel losing a member of their hive mentality team is their problem, not ours. What kind of ''friends'' these persons are who not respect your choice and want ''answers'' for such obvious things. They want you to be like them and will never change their opinion. Their intention is to turn you as a meat-eater. You may face them by the Socratic Method-when they asked you something you return their question by asking them a similar thing. Avoid to answering stupid questions but forced them to answer! Demand to one-by-one questions, so the others will nicely shut up and just listen. Even better, take them to the slaughter house and tell them: ''Here are the answers to all of your questions. The argument is Over.'' Instead of arguments, show them videos of the abused animals in the Torture factory-farms and slaughterhouses, and asked them: ''Do you like it? I am not. I love the animals. Animals are my friends and I don’t eat my friends. I am not support their torture so you [claimed human-'friends'] could do the same. The argument is Over''.
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The light on the plant in the background kinda looks like a map of Australia
This was better than I expected🤣🤣💀. Bravo 👏
Ed, I was going to put in a request for you to do a video on this subject, so glad to see you do it
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I have changed completely from non vegetarian to vegan, after seeing your videos. Thanks a lot.
This was VERY useful to me! I've heard this argument so much lately so I'm glad you debunked it. I hope in the future that we can have a zero-death crop production as well!
@Jonathan Joestar, There are alternatives to cow and pig feces, we could use human feces for example. Or use fermentation methods, or use dead plants for fertilising the soils.
We currently breed 56 billion land animals each year. We have created the problem, and we can solve the problem. Don't breed them at all.
@Jonathan Joestar, Out of all the land we currently use for growing crops, about 80 % of it grows crops that we feed to animals. We could easily feed the entire world population (and many more) if we stopped breeding billions of animals each year just to kill them.
He didn't debunk anything.
@@lunaflamedhe also broke your ego
@@Anlbleeding my ego is just fine princess.
The silly thing about this is there’s a huge difference between intentionally shooting a cow and eating them vs unintentionally trampling a field mouse. Also the non vegans who use this argument forget that they and the animals they eat also eat plants. It’s not like we’re the only ones eating plants.
This whole argument is silly. Veganism is about doing the least harm. Perfection is impossible, but we can try our best.
Honestly it's amazing how we're still having to debunk this. They really can't think that far, but Im glad we can finally put it to rest 🥴
Shut up and eat your Oreos while me as a meat eater obtain optimal health
@Libby Lightsprite I feel you. It is annoying. And that debate sounds crazy 😂 I would’ve lost it.
@@iheartjbgccb I know right? I’m glad too.
@@borrburison648 ok
In front of busy high bar, you see bullet casings. What do you?
Nice to see the other side of the argument without the use of labeling and name calling!
I’ve read that a few dozen ships transporting hundreds of thousands of live animals were put on wait for days during the Suez canal incident. These animals are siting crammed, suffering from heat strokes, dehydrated, hungry. I once crammed with 5 friends in the back of a car for a 20 min ride and i was so sick and almost having panic attacks. Those animals don’t have any idea what’s happening to them, they must be overwhelmed by panic.
@Novus Ordo A few years ago i’ve read a short sci-fi story on a blog and although i didn’t like the subject i nevertheless keep thinking about it lately. In it our world was a simulation made by future human civilization, somewhere in the year 3000 or 5000 i can’t remember. They had immense technological power, every individual was a small god able to do and experience a fantastic number of things, but this was also their biggest problem. You can’t just allow anyone access to immense technological power because they could become a threat to society. So their solution was creating a huge simulation in which people were borne and lived believing they live in the real world, doing whatever is in their nature, showing their "true face" as it were. Those who proved themselves within the simulation that they were caring, responsible, altruistic persons, eventually died within the simulation and they were pulled out in the real world in the body of their perfectly healthy teenage self. Those who didn’t respect life, didn’t cooperate with other people, who didn’t engage in social matters, were left to die in the simulation without granting them the knowledge of the real world and the option to take part. The sim world was chosen to recreate the 21Century because this was exactly the historical period where there was a lot of knowledge and access to information, so people could learn from history, experience past ideas and ways of life in the same time with future ideas and ways of life, develop a rich personality (which was valuable for the outside world), but in the same time wasn’t yet offering too much knowledge of simulation technology and other things. This is how that future society got all its members, this is how they were "schooled" and this is how they were selected without any risk of letting any savage, irresponsible or irreverent individuals in the real world. Once out they got to live till about 300 years in good health.
I personally hate the idea of simulation, this notion is an abomination, but this story haunts me and i definitely like their motivation for creating a simulated world. If this were true, there’s at least one good thing: people like you won’t ever get out.
@Novus Ordo Thanks for letting me know 🤘
It’s a nice story, but it quickly made me uncomfortable as I thought about it.
My main problem with it is, what about the people who are born into a life in which they have virtually no agency? The children who die of hunger or abuse. The people who are trafficked into slavery and never get out, never getting a chance to exercise their own free will, let alone their morality. And those born with severe developmental problems, or debilitating mental disorders. Where would they fit in such a simulation?
They don’t get the chance to develop, find or prove their character, so if they’re not the ones being tested, would they have to be some sort of AI? That’s what makes me really uncomfortable with this idea. All in all this whole thing is paradise reimagined for technocrats. A fun idea to explore sure, but it has many of the same problems of the original paradise, and some new ones too.
@@raniaa2592 Rania, it’s always nice to encounter thoughtful and caring people like you. I think your insight is spot on on every account.
This particular description of a simulated world is indeed paradise reimagined by a technological generation. Sharing the story cannot bring much harm though. Just like the concept of paradise, it tethers the psyche to some wonderful thing to come if you work to overcome your bad nature, and work for the common good of all beings. The only problem i see with sharing the religious paradise/hell story is that people’s unconscious might get the idea that "good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell *anyway,* so why do any work to change this fleeting earthly life for the better"-this attitude contributes to maintaining hell right here on earth. As for the concept of paradise in itself, yes, it has a number of big problems.
Yet, the simulation scenario depicts a world that’s different then the one that’s under heaven. As you’ve said, not all creatures within it must be conscious. And as much as i hate to say it, i’d be incredibly relieved if i’d find out that all those people with severe developmental problems or mental disorders, and all the farmed animals, were something akin unconscious NPC’s. But i don’t believe it-we don’t have any evidence to believe in such a simulation, we don’t have any way to know if all people within such a simulation would be conscious or not, *and it would be a grave mistake to think less of others based on a story.*
The world i’d like to live in is one similar to that depicted by a british philosopher when he was asked how the year 3000 will look like (*). That’s the paradise i dream of. I agree with everything he’s saying there, although i think that he ignores one important thing, an immensely valuable aspect for any society-maintaining a rich eclectic mix of individual personalities. In a perfect peaceful society you can’t nurture sensible, mature, complex and subtle minds. Most poets, musicians and great people of all kinds emerged out of a dynamic tension between heaven and hell. And as far as i can imagine there’s no way for a future society to directly design a human being. They’d have to safely recreate the optimal conditions for human development to happen naturally, and in my opinion there aren’t any better conditions than the early 21Century.
This changes nothing, even if we live in a simulation and this happens to be its purpose, you cannot take this knowledge to change how you live your life. Also, the simulation scenario doesn’t change anything for the trillion Darwinian beings that lived in the real actual history of this planet. The only people who would benefit if it’s true, is us.
*rares-mircea-82.medium.com/passages-from-david-pearces-answer-to-the-question-how-will-the-year-3000-look-like-c83a3dd78b8d
despite the controversies and what we may disagree on, despite what lots of credible sources may conflict on, one thing we can agree on? herding livestock is inhumane
An Aussie here. 12 years ago I moved out to country Victoria. An area of poor pastureland (i.e. depleted soils and just whatever grasses that had self-sown) that had been substantially used for grazing (as well as gold fossicking during the gold rush era). So no specific crops or plant industry in the area at all. The move meant that our various sticks of furniture and knick knacks went into a storage facility on the outskirts of the town for about a year. The storage was weatherproof, but had roller door access. During that time in storage, there had been both a locust plague and a mouse plague. When I was getting the items out of storage at the end of that time, the smell from the mouse urine was very strong and there were considerable numbers of bodies of both locusts and mice. The locusts had found their way in but couldn't figure out how to get out again, and just starved to death. The mice had made themselves a nice warm home, but there was no nearby source of food or water for them either. They also would have died from starvation.
Others in the area complained of losses from both plagues, but they had animal feed stored at their properties which the plague critters were eating into.
Left to it's own, nature seems to be quite good at self-regulating. It's only when mankind plays with the environment that all the balances are lost. I seriously believe everybody should be more involved in a small is beautiful mindset with their food needs. Growing more of what they eat in their backyards and relying far less on the need for any huge mono-culture enterprise! Learn more about permaculture and companion planting. Lean about making environments conducive to predator bugs like mantises rather than using chemicals.
Thank you for educating me 🙏
So sad that he is wrong!!! Corn is not the number one source of food harvested (WORLD WIDE) its sugar root and sugar cane. And corn is not only used for feeding its used to make plastic and other products to conserve your carrots and make products in the medical field to SAVE HUMAN LIVES!! PS> Shame on you for consuming foods that come from sweat shop conditions and child labor. YOU ARE A CRIMINAL!! You want to save animals. Stop having kids!!
Thank you so much for your videos! I’ve recently gone vegan and you’re helping me a lot. You’re doing gods work!
Perfect timing. I've had this debate with people on my environmental studies course and it's just so much easier to send them this.
I'm also studying Environmental Studies but thankfully haven't had this disagreement with anyone else yet! I still cannot fathom the lengths people will go to in order to make themselves feel comfortable so they can carry on eating meat/using dairy/eggs.
Do you like the school you all are at? I dont know which one to start at :/
@Linuz Bengtsson you sound pretty hateful and angry. I've been seeing your comments all over this comment section. Instead of getting angry at people who disagree with you, I vote you try and listen to their stance with as little judgment as possible and then come to whatever conclusion you wish, without any hate for yourself or for others. Insulting people on the internet will just make you unhappy. ✌🏾
Link dropping someone is not really an effective way to open their mind
As an Australian, I vividly remember a mice plague. Driving through the wheatbelt in the mid 90's with thousands of mice running across the road, for hundreds of kms. (I was not driving, I was only around 13 at the time). I don't remember anything like this happening since then although to be fair, I haven't lived in that area since 1998.
Excellent video as always, Ed.
Well done Ed thanks for this insight
The mice do in fact sit there and get ran over by the combine . I’ve witnessed it 1000s of times as a farmer
Where are you planting tofu that turtles and squirrels co-exist together ?! 😂
Imaginaria, obvi.
@@Leviathan-mj8gi ah, I’m 100% certain that tofu isn’t grown anywhere…. As a product of the soy bean, it’s just as unlikely to be grown as a crop as spaghetti noodles.
I would imagine Bali would be a great location for this to happen. Everytime I go there I see squirrels and turtles almost daily
Pingu, is that you? From the among us discord?
*Planet earth*
Man would I love to see you on JRE. Maybe you could talk some sense into him.
Also awesome mini cameo from Cosmic Skeptic.
His podcast is sponsored by a meat company, I don't think Joe will be open to new ideas.
@@The8BitPianist Since he went to Spotify I don't believe that's true anymore. Although he probably still gets paid by them to name drop brands and have maybe even paid to not promote veganism in any way.
@@myblueheaven4424 Yes, my info might be outdated.
Joe always talks about how he understands veganism but disagrees with them on some things. I have been vegan 6 years and i love the jre podcast, at the end of the day he is a comedian so he jokes about vegans.
Since US citizens often over consume food, wouldn’t there be less harm to animals if they just consume less instead of just going vegan?
Ed you're literally a hero and my hero! You display compassion with intelligence and data analysis which is such darn powerful.
You must be really hard to impress.. by the way, have you ever tried how delicious bacon tastes?!
Going on my 8th month of being vegan. I have never felt better mentally or physically. I don't feel bad after meals due to bad conscious. Was vegetarian for 4 years prior, but that little extra step that seemed so unreachable was in fact easy. Being vegan has made me a better cook and a better person. I feel more morally aware of my surroundings and it's all around been a great experience. Thank you Ed for inspiring me to keep it up! You being one of the many reasons I took the extra step and went vegan. It was an epiphany and it's hard to keep it to myself. I do however keep it on the down low due to all my family and friends being omni, but deep inside i wish i had the courage to be as "out" there as you and many other activists, maybe some day.
That is awesome!!! Keep at it! I'm going on two decades!
Fuck yeah! You’re awesome! Thanks for going vegan & loving animals
Me too. Going vegan had a surprising effect on my mental health, to the point I got off my medication for depression and anxiety. My life situation has not changed either, just what I ate and my moral stance about what I put on my plate. I still wonder if veganism has a studied impact on mental health, I haven’t found anything so far.
l relate to everything you said, literally. I was also a vegetarian for years and turned vegan 7 months ago. I never felt better in my whole life.
There's nothing wrong with eating eggs
Ed, I really hope one day you and Joe can have a discussion. That would be awesome!
why? the only people who are "fans" of earthling ed are other vegans. I have yet to see any vegan actually address this guys intellectual pitfalls and circular logic. In addition, he uses clickbait titles to drive media to his channel, which on the face devalues his entire argument, which supposedly comes from a morality sensibility. I don't think he has a morality argument, he has an ideology and is willing to achieve his ideas by any mean, by lying, which he does regularly, the clickbait titles alone are blatant lies. Why would anyone of any importance have him on, he is clearly a charlatan. I have never seen this dude on any other podcast either, only hardcore vegan zealots.
@@sark4786 Nailed it. He also makes up stupid arguments around sentience, which life forms are and are not sentient, there for the ones he deems are not, well we dont care about the death of those creature. I dont know about you but ever tried to catch a sandfly? The sandfly absolutly knows whats going on and tries to avoid you, if not get back on on you bite you, its fully away of the situation its in. Ed here seems to think an Aphid is not a conscious-aware creature , not being Sentient, according to Ed, keep in mind there is zero metric that defines sentience, so its ok to oblitorate Aphids and other insects. I watched a Jelly fish hunt and catch a fish over 45minutes in a fish tank, the Jelly fish has no central nervious system so there for, we dont care about jelly fish either. Its all inconsistant hypocritical noise and Ed here is one of the bigger pedlers of this snake oil ideology.
@@Timetofly8888 I agree, the argument about say field mice and insects being killed by the billions is a valid argument. I used to have a pet snake, ever feed a live mouse to a snake? The mouse absolutely knows it's coming. He picks and chooses what he wants, and the only people who think this guy is logical or intelligent are other vegans who have the same ideology and agenda as him. There is a reason nobody takes him seriously.
Not sure how often we have to repeat this to flesh-eating idiots. But Veganism is about minimizing death and suffering of animals. It’s not about being perfect. Clownish flesh-eaters try to hold us to an impossible standard, so they can feel better about imprisoning, tormenting, raping and slaughtering helpless animals.
Joe would be too scared
I literally got a Kraft cheese ad during this video omg
Hold on. What is the fat muscle ratio? And where can I get like a good 70 to 30% cut?
What do we have to do to get Earthling Ed on the Joe Rogan Podcast. Of course considering that’s something that Ed wanted to do. It’s time, it really is time for that to happen.
Agreed!!
I also want to see Dr. Gregor on Joe Rogan. Joe will never have them though
Trick Joe I think
ABSOLUTELY
@@jay9172 or Paul (Hench Herbivore).
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This man really forgot that the animals he eats also need to eat.
Whaaaat!? They don’t eat stones!? 😳
@@domsnow6418 shit this hole time I thought they was eating air.
I know where your argument is going. Unfortunately, you're committing an appeal to nature fallacy, so yeah, your argument is invalid and unsound.
This was such a well-done and fascinating breakdown!
Plants feel pain. Animals don't eat plants, they swallow air protein.
They are ripping the grass out of the floor how can you still eat plants? Disgusting
Youre an evil monster
I cannot believe these people who say so much bull shit can be so stupid. I can only guess they are bad intentioned.
Thank you Ed, for answering them so properly.
Antonio, from Brazil.
Or they have gut health issues and eating meat has possibly saved their life.
Happy to educate you on this topic.
@@poerava weren't they just deficient & the meat gave them the nutrients they were missing since their stomachs were accustomed to rhe diet they've been eating? There's evidence about eliminating meat & feeding good fiber from plants to help your microbiome which has saved lives for sure. Lots of videos to educate you on that topic
@@iheartjbgccb
I’m not sure where you have sourced your information. Almost all fibre is highly inflaming for various gut health issues. As someone who has lived theough this for the last 3 years, I’m happy to educate you on this topic.
i watched this when it first came out two years ago, and I still think about the bit at 6:00 all the time. Like it's just so funny to me that someone out there thought yes people will definitely be dumb enough to believe the conclusion that mice not being in a field anymore must mean they were killed, and then people really did believe them and repeat it and infinitum. It's some of the most impressive and successful blatant twisting of statistics I've seen.
It's not eating meat that's the problem, it's the massive amount of industrial farming that's going. Vegan or otherwise, farming at that extreme of a level is going to cause harm
I never get tired of learning from you Ed. You're helping everyone evolve as individuals and you help me be the best vegan and animal advocate I can be! May we one day live harmoniously with all life🌱🐃❤️
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@@ina5503 Thank you kind soul
@Juba - يوبا - ⵊⵓⴱⴰ - ᛄᚢᛒᚨ I'm not sure what you mean. Re-wilding the land and giving it back to nature so that the animals can repopulate it (hopefully without human intervention) does not seem comparable to an endoparasitoid extraterrestrial feeding on humans.
You aren't evolved and animals are nothing but food and pets for us to do with what we please. Hoping you'll find your way back to true human nature soon. ✌🏻🍖🥩❤
Thank you darling! Always so refreshing and inspiring. I just left an Easter family dinner where someone actually said they wouldn't try my vegan Mac n cheese casserole because I had added broccoli and they wouldn't eat it because it had "something green in it." 🤣
I'm a vegetarian of 5 years trying to make heads or tales of this. One thing that resonated with me is that he said X amount of land is used for vegetable crops and a larger amount is used for animal crops. But per capita, what is the actual answer? Considering that a huge majority of people eat meat as a primary food source. What would the decimation be if the majority of people ate vegetables? This is an interesting question. Can anybody help? Thx.
The same land isn't used for animal crops. Cows for example can and usually do graze on land not usable for growing crops. Vegans conveniently ignore this.
The amount of illogical arguments from anti-vegans is unbelievable.
I have an argument you have never heard. It's called the food chain
Blood from my rare steak just dripped onto my screen and accidentally liked your comment
@@Boomer289-ol2vvso your argument against veganism is that “ humans are smarter than animals “ by the same logic, I’m guessing you don’t mind eating or killing dogs and cats either obviously. Also , why should we stop the food chain and segregate only according to animals ? I’m sure the average rich person is stronger and smarter than poor uneducated kids , right ? Why don’t we exploit them under the pretence of the societal food chain ? In this argument I’m trying to say that we humans don’t follow the laws of nature. Murder and rape is common in animal society but we humans frown upon the same. Why ? Because we are capable of sentience and the concept of morality. Just because something is part of our prehistoric nature doesn’t make it right by our current society’s standards. Also.. lmao we have long since left the food chain, we literally aren’t even a part of it at this point.
Women are agreeable, that's why they follow ideas that sound good at face value like Veganism, which is actually another cult dedicated to human population control. Why do you think Google, Harvard, and all thier affiliates, with some of them being tax-exempt foundations ehich are paid for by the 1% sponsor influencers like Earthling Ed.
The amount of arrogance from ugly young people is equally impressive.
You don’t even have to eat wheat and soy to be vegan and most non-vegans eat plenty of wheat and they also eat soy indirectly through livestock. The worst part is that it’s so darn disingenuous. They aren’t appalled at rodent deaths at all. They aren’t marching the streets and demanding we find alternate harvesting options. They just eat more animals directly in response which really shows their true colors. You can be vegan without killing animals directly or indirectly but you can’t avoid killing animals by eating animals. I guess ignorance really is bliss. Ugh!
people are free to pick a life style but at same time if people choose to eat meat thats a valid style of life to live, nothing wrong with it like naturual if want be vegen nothing wrong with someone choosing to eat meat the only issue is inhumane farming methods used.
@@user-fp3le7mp3p why are you only concerned with “inhumane farming” and who determines what that is?
Guys, there are animal part in our iPhones. We’re hypocrites. At least that’s what TikTok users tell me everyday. 😂
Ah, the “perfect solution” logical fallacy. It’s a fallacy because there are no perfect solutions to any problem. Just because one can’t be a “perfect” vegan in an imperfect world is no excuse to not try to be the best vegan one can be. And that’s exactly how it’s stated by the Vegan Society:
“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism
@@broddr There isn't a way to not kill animals at all even if you're diet is purely plant products, therefore, I should go out of my way to kill as much animals as I want :D get rekt vegans by fex n lojik
- every meat head, ever
I get that animals are surely killed in the production of phones, but what animal parts are in them?
@@The8BitPianist to be honest, I have absolutely no clue. Perhaps the parts of animals they WANT to be in them in order to ease non-vegan conscience?
@@FranciscoAlvarezTV I just did a minimum amount of looking this up on Ecosia and Google and here's what I found: There can be animal parts in the glue used in some phones, but it's not sure how much or if any at all, as it's difficult to check the production line. The phone I use, the Fairphone 3, is labelled as vegan, so it's certainly possible to do it without animal prodcuts. They also recycle a lot of materials, which leads to less mining and therefore less animal deaths, I assume?
Either way, it's a stupid argument, the more I think about it.
EDIT: After more research, the Fairphone is not "labelled as vegan", I just got that from a website that claimed it is. However, they still have plenty materials without a clear chain of production and won't call themselves vegan because of that.
When you don't understand the numbers. The most ready source of processed soybeans for animal feed is the soybean meal that results from beans being processed to extract the oil. Soybean leaves and stems can also be grazed, ensiled or dried to make hay. Even if you were to grow the seeds for oil (vs forage soybeans) you still can use left over parts of the plant to feed livestock.
So what?
In the end we could feed way more humans by directly eating the soybeans. Nobody cares about the soy oil, except the industry to make even more money out of the process.
The stems and leaves provide far fewer nutrients for the cows. It's the protein in the meal that makes them grow fast.
OMG THE JOE ROGAN WALLPAPER I CAN'T-