Spirituality: The Enemy of Veganism
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Today I’m discussing spirituality and veganism. It’s a subject I’ve wanted to talk about for a long time but the recent video from Sophia Esperanza about why she’s no longer vegan gave me the final push to discuss my thoughts on this issue. I strongly believe that tying in whimsical and often anti-science beliefs with veganism is not a positive thing for veganism or the animals. In this video I explain why.
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Ed Winters is a vegan educator, best-selling author, public speaker and content creator. Ed has spoken at over 1/3 of UK universities and at every Ivy league college, including as a guest lecturer and Media & Design Fellow at Harvard University.
Today I’m discussing spirituality and veganism. It’s a subject I’ve wanted to talk about for a long time but the recent video from Sophia Esperanza about why she’s no longer vegan gave me the final push to discuss my thoughts on this issue. I strongly believe that tying in whimsical and often anti-science beliefs with veganism is not a positive thing for veganism or the animals. In this video I explain why. Do let me know your thoughts below!
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Indeed, Mr. Edward “Winters” Gaunt’s understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶
The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals” shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩
Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT ban animal agriculture!
“I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”.
Mr. Ed Gaunt, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐
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Go to the 8:15 mark.
Yo Ed I know what you are doing buddy hahaha. It's Sad but I suppose you have to exist am I right 👁
it seems you didn't mind when spirituality led to veganism, but it obviously bothers you when the reality leads to ex-veganism
Please ……could you debunk some video from Niko Rittenau….( he tells now everybody to eat animal products to get animal specific nutrients and that grass fed beef is environmental friendly and kills less animals than a vegan diet etc etc….It seems that he goes again the content of your book authored together
@@happyhealthylife4ever do you want to say that Niko Rittenau, as one of the co-authors of the book, is now an ex-vegan who promotes exactly the opposite of what veganism promotes?
Easy to feel so "connected" to nature when you're not the one being farmed, tortured and eventually killed
Or getting your leg eaten off while you're trying to crawl away. Lol
🤍✌️☮️🖤
But why should we care about beings who would not give a fuck about you.
Hard to connect with such a big disconnect in society
Amen to that!
I’m a vegan not because I have an overwhelming love for animals. I’m vegan because I hate cruelty, suffering, abuse, oppression, exploitation and injustice, and I try as much as possible to avoid these.
@pjarrow If you buy from the stores the vegetables and the branded packages doesn't make any difference to defend oppression and so on.
In greenhouses and agriculture fields I ve been working there is a massacre of rodents, three times C02pp enhanced, and exploitation of bumblebees and tiny insects that being bred in laboratories to be shipped overseas.
so what are you doing about all the s*x trafficked kids???
please tell me you also do not use iphones and other tech devices because all the minerals used for their production are mined by exploited children in dire circumstances. How much do you really hate cruelty? Or are you vegan just so you can say you do...
@@sadiemakesmesmile You obviously use them and no doubt eat meat and dairy so don’t try to pretend you care more than I do.
I use second hand devices and havent changed my phone since iPhone 5 as well as laptop from 2009. I only consume limited organic meat (once a week, as I have Endometriosis & struggle absorbing iron due to gene mutation) & plain organic yoghurt for my gut issues. I would say I am a conscious consumer. There is a major difference between us though - I don't pretend to be holier than Thou and judge others unscrupulously just because i've made certain choices to be more healthy & ethical. @@pjarrow
PS. I never suggested in any way i cared more than you - I am just pointing out your hypocrisy because it is inevitable that once you start judging people so harshly for their choices you end up being a hypocrite. Give it a rest already, not all non vegans are mindless, stupid, or uncaring, as you all seem to imply. And yes, you do imply that... i've read the comments on this video. Insanity.
One of my former friends, a very spiritual hippie type person, told me she was no longer vegan because being vegan is “speciesist because it values animal lives above plants”. She claimed that plants deserve the same respect as animals so that’s why she went back to eating animal products. I said, “so you think mowing a lawn is equally as bad as hitting a dog with your car?” She said yes and refused to back down 💀 I decided she was either stupid or crazy and changed the subject. Needless to say, we are no longer friends
wow that is so bizarre
She thinks the animals that she’s eating are living off just air or what? If you want to be a “plant rights activist” (lol) The most effective step to take would be immediately excluding/boycotting animal products. Farmed animals consume way more plants than we do just to be fattened up so humans can kill them and eat them. What a sad compete misunderstanding of what the agriculture industry is. Huge bummer for her when she finds out the animals she eats are just eating tons and tons of plants 🤷♀️
Next time somebody tries to tell you that animals and plants are the same (and therefore ALL either want to die or all don't want to die) - there is one word... Tomato. Ask that person to name one animal that changes colour to signal to us that it's time for us to eat them. If you like - there are many other fruits that do this including several that have never seen the other side of the equator. It doesn't have to be a tomato. The whole reason why our eyes have evolved to see red is because we are fruit eaters. We may have these big canine teeth - but so do the vegan Gorillas and, in their case at least, it's all about communication.
love this. all fruits go thru a metamorphic process to signal us they're ready to be picked. and also the entire plant doesn't have to die. the fruits are given freely!@@batintheattic7293
She was both.. I really hope everyone who wants to eat meat and ignore the fact that they get tortured so much d!es. I don’t care about no oh don’t wish death. D3AD
"Veganism is not a label for us, it's an ethical position for them." - LOVE IT
How to become a spiritual ex-vegan:
- Look for a sign (can be anything, like a 2 for 1 discount in the supermarket)
- Follow the sign and pay for plain animal abuse and murder
- Put on your thickest vocal fry and film yourself performing some spiritual act like touching grass or licking your crystals
- Tell yourself and your audience it's all ok because you're on a jOurNeY and you're the center of the universe
It just simply doesn’t work without the vocal fry 😂
😂😂😂😭😭😭 vry accurate, i was thinking the same thing about vocal fry, drives me insane!
Hilarious 😂 you nailed it!
Or, Ex-Vegan Woo-Woo Checklist:
Journey
Transformation
Nourishing
Mother Earth
Spirituatily
Harmony
Energy
Healing
My truth
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I wish I could like this comment a million more times! so good
„Veganism is not a label for us, it is an ethical position for them.“
True! #veganforever ❤
There is nothing ethical about destroying habitats, causing global warming by destroying the soil, and murdering untold millions of birds, insects, and rodents by stealing pesticides and then running a thresher through the temporary homes that those birds and rodents have made from your evil plant farm.
"Animal rights activists are useful in informing the section of the population who already sincerely despise exploitation; and more often than not, if they are not hypocrites, these people are also against the technological exploitation of nature and less anthropocentric. I am saying “sincerely despise exploitation”, because many people have weak internal moral compass and integrity, and they tend to pretend to be good people for selfish reasons and do “good deeds” to gain social status; these people would exploit others if the majority agrees with such exploitation but never admit it to themselves or others. They tend to have relative morality rather than absolute morality, and ultimately see morality as a competition game to gain acceptance by others rather than to ensure well-being of others. We might argue that this is because of the disintegration of communities and indigenous cultures leading to individualistic win-lose type competition based interactions (such as the modern economic, political and education systems) between humans taking over. Lose-lose and win-lose type interactions are more dominant in destabilized systems (e.g. technology vs nature) as they often lack real solutions that benefit both parties, especially in the long-term. We should realize that in a world where the exploitation of animals is seen as abhorrent, the exploitation of nature and wildlife should also be seen as so; such a world, if informed enough as this book intends to achieve, would be against technological progress. Many animal rights activists would be surprised to learn that the exploitation of nature is not necessary or even beneficial for human well-being because what we do to nature, we do to ourselves; but exploitation is necessary for the expansion of the technological civilization." from The Connections (2023) book by Semih Oguzcan [available for free on my channel]
Veganism is a personal choice, and I choose to have deliiiiiiiiiiiiciouuuuuuuuus steak 🥩🥩
@@donolonisa5787
Congrats bud, that's what almost all people do😂🎉
@@tuteca Yes indeed, and it never stops 😉
Thank you Ed for calling out vile narcissism that promotes violence.
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I just watched (another) ex vegan video from a woman who was lead to the cult by EE. So happy people are waling up to this bullshit!
That’s exactly what this is. Narcissism.
Thank you for this wording!
@@Siegfried5846❤
“I consider everything as food” wow watch out if you visit her.
Or if she has kids.
😂
It's sad because "spirituality" isn't the enemy of veganism. Egoism, materialism, fame, and money disguised as spirituality are. I'd consider myself a very "spiritual" person, but it is part of what connects to my vegan lifestyle, not what takes me away from it.
yeah ,alot of spiritual people are also conspiracy ppl ,and let me tell ,conspiracies are the real enemy of veganism ,its sad because i follow them for 95% but most of them believe veganism is psyop pushed by the globalist's agenda's
EXACTLY. Very well put
Omg this!! You put this absolutely perfectly!! 🩷🩷
It's not the video that's making them look bad though, it's what these people and types of people are doing and saying that speak for themselves, and make themselves look bad. Plenty of spiritual texts underline the overall goal of health & well-being pertaining to ALL life. (Not just humans). Spirituality isn't bad, but what some humans use their platform to spout, can definitely have a negative impact.@@purvaashada
YES
I got so tired of going to a yoga studio where they all thought they were at a higher level than most and ate meat.
My yoga class ends with all the non-vegans nodding sagely, hands pressed together and namaste-ing each other. 🙄 🙄🙄 I wear a t-shirt that says "Namastop Hurting Animals".
@@vegancolleen Epic shirt! 💚🐾🌱
@@biancat.1873 Yeah it unfortunately doesn't convey the rights-based meaning of veganism, but it's a clever play on namaste to make them think of the hypocrisy of their behaviour.
"The divine in me eats the divine in you" 😆 🤣
@@vegancolleenI love that you do that! 😂
As a scientist and a buddhist, I fully agree. It's not about our subjective experience, it's about the victims. It's about the only reasonable position to have when you know other beings feel.
OK, so what about child s*x trafficking victims? Are they not victim enough for you that you have to go around judging people for eating eggs? A by product of raising a chicken. I wish I had a chicken, I'd be way more connected to the cycles of the earth. So what is the reasonable position on your phone parts being mined by children in Africa?
@@sadiemakesmesmile I'm not sure what you mean, but obviously I think child trafficking is wrong. Obviously it's wrong that children mine minerals for my cell phone. And regarding ethics and idealism, I've recently came to the conclusion that inevitably there is not a single answer we can give. So in veganism, yes, absolutely every being has an undeniable right to life and happiness. But, it's also true that people need to take gradual steps in order to reach their goals (such as being fully vegan). So there is obviously a contradiction here, and that's normal. It's perfectly normal to take baby steps, it's normal to have some concerns about nutrition, for instance.
@@sadiemakesmesmile as if people can’t care about multiple issues??
what about the other products you consume such as clothes and electronics... you care about the human suffering involved in this products?
@@maximratava2625 obviously I care about the human suffering in those products. The thing is that I can't do much about it, since clothing and electronics companies don't promote alternative cruelty-free products (though I have purchased organic clothing), while as for the question of animal suffering (and environmental sustainability and the sustainability of the health services), anyone can have a big impact being vegan. In any case, two wrongs don't make a right, it's impossible to argue against doing something right just because of some other wrong thing in society.
"The question we should ask ourselves is not 'What is MY truth?' but 'What is THE truth?'. We should all be sceptical about OUR truth; our truth might convince us to do terrible things or to believe in things that are absurd." SPOT ON, Ed!! Yes!!!
yeah, people are fighting for "their truth" so much they just want to bend reality and just be right all of the time. It's unbearable.
Yes.. but is “the” truth a real thing? Or a subjective conception by a small human mind?
@@rosabscura I'm all about that philosophical talk but I'm not harming animals for a meal.
@@rosabscura being convinced that killing sentient beings for no reason but for taste is wrong, simply put, stop trying to muddy the waters on a very clear moral choice.
She got the egg straight from the chicken coop, held the world’s perfect egg close to her crystals, had a spiritual feeling, so she peeled the egg and ate it. The crystals cooked the egg?
probably the universe cooked and salted it for her🤣
I was wondering the same thing, she never mentioned cooking it. If raw egg tasted that good it surely must have been magical 😅
@@kasiapetruk6730 You just can't understand because your chakras aren't aligned.
"Animal rights activists are useful in informing the section of the population who already sincerely despise exploitation; and more often than not, if they are not hypocrites, these people are also against the technological exploitation of nature and less anthropocentric. I am saying “sincerely despise exploitation”, because many people have weak internal moral compass and integrity, and they tend to pretend to be good people for selfish reasons and do “good deeds” to gain social status; these people would exploit others if the majority agrees with such exploitation but never admit it to themselves or others. They tend to have relative morality rather than absolute morality, and ultimately see morality as a competition game to gain acceptance by others rather than to ensure well-being of others. We might argue that this is because of the disintegration of communities and indigenous cultures leading to individualistic win-lose type competition based interactions (such as the modern economic, political and education systems) between humans taking over. Lose-lose and win-lose type interactions are more dominant in destabilized systems (e.g. technology vs nature) as they often lack real solutions that benefit both parties, especially in the long-term. We should realize that in a world where the exploitation of animals is seen as abhorrent, the exploitation of nature and wildlife should also be seen as so; such a world, if informed enough as this book intends to achieve, would be against technological progress. Many animal rights activists would be surprised to learn that the exploitation of nature is not necessary or even beneficial for human well-being because what we do to nature, we do to ourselves; but exploitation is necessary for the expansion of the technological civilization." from The Connections (2023) book by Semih Oguzcan [available for free on my channel]
No, the egg was boiled by the heat coming off her freshly shat-out bullshit.
“Spiritual” people who eat animals were always so confusing to me. Like you’re so “zen and chill” but you eat animals? Makes no sense
It makes pure sense, they don't have the same definition of ZEN as you
Zen and Chill to spiritual people is different than it is to you. It's that simple
yeah, to them it means murder.
I personally find people who eat Animals more aggressive and mentally disturbed ☯️
@@English_Rose4 lol I personally find people who are vegan aggressive and mentally disturbed, they don't stand against abortion of human babies but stand up for animals
I feel a little attacked by “you can only glamorise nature because you are disconnected from it”. So I really need that reminder! Thank you
Every single part of my heart and soul tells me to be vegan, as well as my head.
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I'm beginning to feel like that, specially after meals, but the scientist in me tells me it's probably because after a year of whole plant based eating my gut flora has changed enough to only want to be fed plants. In a way, it's a connection with nature: the millions of bacterial cells living in my gut 😊
One can not preach love and light while simultaneously funding the perpetual cycle of animal abuse and mvrder.
Hypocrisy at its finest
We are all culprits as victims of the societies we live in.
But we have agency over some things and our personal consumption is the most powerful for effecting change on our environment.
I’d even argue that our current societal crisis are a result of individuals not practicing control of their consumption. Not just of food but of anything that they partake in.
And I understand. I’m a drug addict.
But I’m making an effort and if we all did a little of that and helped eachother out we could go a long way.
@@somedudeinatunnel3102 I’m aware. I just don’t want my comment to get removed due to the use of certain words
Don’t censor the word ‘murder’.
‘Fear of a name only increases fear of the thing itself.’ - Albus Dumbledore
Further, it’s akin to non-vegans calling horrific practices by different names to nullify their impact.
Plant agriculture destroys mass swathes of natural habitats, wipes out entire species, and kills untold millions of birds and rodents with harvesting and spraying pesticides.
"murder" is the unjustified killing of a human.
If killing a cow for food is murder, spraying pesticides is literally genocide and you should be tried like the nazis.
"We care about these animals emotionally, because we know intellectually we should."
As a hippie, thank you for calling out the pseudo-awake "spiritual" narcissists.
You know intellectually that you should feel what exact emotions for what exact animals for what exact reason?
Do you have any idea wtf pesticides are?
@@bobjohnson1633In an ideal world pesticides would not be used. It's not an ideal world and we must grow crops for humanity.
I dated such a narcissist unfortunately...3 months done for me.
I don't think it's the case for everyone that we care about things emotionally because we know we should. I get sad over inanimate objects breaking or "dying" and there isn't really logic behind that. 😅
"Animal rights activists are useful in informing the section of the population who already sincerely despise exploitation; and more often than not, if they are not hypocrites, these people are also against the technological exploitation of nature and less anthropocentric. I am saying “sincerely despise exploitation”, because many people have weak internal moral compass and integrity, and they tend to pretend to be good people for selfish reasons and do “good deeds” to gain social status; these people would exploit others if the majority agrees with such exploitation but never admit it to themselves or others. They tend to have relative morality rather than absolute morality, and ultimately see morality as a competition game to gain acceptance by others rather than to ensure well-being of others. We might argue that this is because of the disintegration of communities and indigenous cultures leading to individualistic win-lose type competition based interactions (such as the modern economic, political and education systems) between humans taking over. Lose-lose and win-lose type interactions are more dominant in destabilized systems (e.g. technology vs nature) as they often lack real solutions that benefit both parties, especially in the long-term. We should realize that in a world where the exploitation of animals is seen as abhorrent, the exploitation of nature and wildlife should also be seen as so; such a world, if informed enough as this book intends to achieve, would be against technological progress. Many animal rights activists would be surprised to learn that the exploitation of nature is not necessary or even beneficial for human well-being because what we do to nature, we do to ourselves; but exploitation is necessary for the expansion of the technological civilization." from The Connections (2023) book by Semih Oguzcan [available for free on my channel]
9 years ago since I went vegan I always remember buddhist teaching 'if you want to end suffering, don't cause suffering first' (law of karma) however difficult that might be, I think that's an essence of spirituality and it includes compassion for all beings.
vegan food is better anyway. delicious! so it is not hard at all. just changing bad habits is the hard part. then it becomes easy.
So why are you causing young children to suffer mining minerals for your phone???
@@sadiemakesmesmile you can buy electronics second hand, and I highly recommend it. We didn’t create the society we live in, one where, for most people, if we don’t have access to electronics we would be unable to work and make a wage to stay alive. Obviously no person can fully get through life without causing harm. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fucking try though! This argument is so tired and lazy. If there’s a really easy way to avoid unnecessary exploitation (and I acknowledge that there isn’t always), then just fucking do it. This shit is exhausting. If your whole moral philosophy is “I can’t do everything perfectly in life so I’m going to cause as much pain as I possibly can” then you should go see a therapist and unpack that shit
@@sadiemakesmesmile that's a good point, it's the same reason I eat meat sometimes. We were raised in this culture, It's everywhere, the consensus is that it's normal, people encourage you to do it, and fewer alternatives exist. Not that I'm justified in using a phone or eating meat when I know what is behind the scenes. But at least I resist the urge 99.5% of the time, and my phone is a second hand 2016 model that still holds up well.
genuinly interested: if someone, let's say my mother always causes me suffering, and tells me I am annoying her, etc.. I then leave, thinking it's the best for BOTH of us, she then calls 100s of times, telling me, she is worrying so much abt me and why did I leave.. I then come back, it all starts again.. it seems WHATEVER I do (this was mere one of hundreds of examples), it causes her suffering in her view, so what to do?
Wait, Yoga Girl, did I hear right? The chicken laid a hard boiled egg that she peeled and it wasn’t refrigerated and she just ate it cuz it was “there”?
Exactly my thoughts like did you just eat a raw egg??? She's lying.
I think she skipped over that probably the moment her daughter designated the egg for her she decided she would boil it when she got back. She already was looking for a sign and believed she found it.
Unless her altar has a built in stove, I think she manifested salmonella.
The cristals boiled it for her with the power of the universe
“What I had been told, taught, screamed at” well there you go. I never needed convincing. The animal’s suffering was all I needed to stop contributing to their suffering. No matter what she says she was never in it for the animals if she had to be “yelled” at to stop eating them and their body fluids.
I consider myself spiritual. These people are a sad and cringey disappointment.
Plants feel pain and are very aware of being killed.
Plant agriculture depletes the soil, greatly reduces the ability for the soil to hold groundwater and greenhouse gasses.
Plant agriculture destroys large areas of natural habitats, and both harvesting crops and spraying pesticides kills untold millions of birds and rodents.
agreed. same.
I never care about animals.
that's why I will never be a vegan ..
Same. There doesn't need to be any convincing when you see what is happening to animals. I think that the person in the video could do it because it was popular at a time (to be vegan), without truly understanding what it is all about.
Bravo. Some of us simply abhor suffering. I know that if I hear (hearing is my most sensitive thing) suffering then I absolutely freak out. My family tried to exposure therapy my sensitivity out of me. It didn't work, at all. And I'm just about intelligent enough to follow this: Pain and fear makes me dangerously deranged (which is why, I think, my family decided to give up trying to make me 'normal') and creatures being consumed creates pain and fear.
There is, I reckon, within Zen enlightenment this thing that we are all one and therefore we can twitch about using and consuming each other. That's a bit hard to argue with, actually, and if anybody ever argues this approach I'm in real trouble. However, should anybody ever try - I think I would then take a bite, out of my opponent, and my reply should be ultra clear and immediate. Are you okay with this? Did you feel that? Enlightenment has made you a special case? Go on - scream and cry. Anguish and pain is just the background noise of existence.
All I can say is that I hate suffering and I'm incapable of carrying cognitive dissonance around with me. It hurts and it ***** with my head.
The lady missed an egg that morning and she finds it and all of a sudden the universe is speaking to her that she should eat eggs. And then it was the most DELICIOUS thing she's ever eaten in her life!? Please....
She was starved of necessary nutrients and when she ate a food full of necessary nutrients, her brain told her that it was amazing and she needed to eat more.
@@bobjohnson1633 No, it was because she thought it was some sort of holy egg and of course once she ate it, her brain told her "Yup, just as you suspected! Its a holy egg and therefore the best thing you ever ate".
@@bobjohnson1633 No idea how she survived without the bad cholesterol and carcinogens
The egg could have been symbolism for her that she misunderstood and then brainwashed herself into believing she needed to eat it.
Yup, as I mentioned in my other comment to Ed, it's all auto-suggestion and placebo effect in order to reinforce what they want to do anyway.
The spiritualists remind me of Bob’s Burgers when Bob meets a cow and then feels guilty for eating and serving it in his restaurant. Then he has a vision of the cow telling Bob to eat him. Bob stops for a second and says something like, “Wait, aren’t you just my mind telling me what I want to hear?” 😂
For me my spiritual beliefs actually reinforces me being a vegan. When I got ordained as a lay-Buddhist it added another dimension of why veganism is the way to go. In Zen-Buddhism you have the bodhisattva vow “I vow to liberate all sentient beings” and the very first of the 16 precepts I vowed to follow reads “I vow to appreciate all life and not kill” so that’s hard to misinterpret any other way
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Hello fellow Zen practitioner.
Is that why buddha ordered pig, his “favorite dish”, before falling ill from it and passing?
@@simoncastleton6420buddha married his cousin and died after eating his “favorite dish” (pig).
@@mightytaiger3000 starting the new year off on bullshit is crazy
I'm a spiritual person, me being vegan will never change, nothing natural about inflicting suffering. When I saw her make that statement, it was just an eye roll for me.
Same
Me too!
me 3! I became vegan because of nmy awakening!
me 4.
Me 5. Ed makes strong points here but spirituality and veganism slot together perfectly and always have
You can't preach peace and love while slitting an innocents throat.
It’s not about peace and love to them, it’s about the universe revolving around them. As Ed said, it’s purely egotistical shite.
Animals are here for me, my taste comes first 😂
"Animal rights activists are useful in informing the section of the population who already sincerely despise exploitation; and more often than not, if they are not hypocrites, these people are also against the technological exploitation of nature and less anthropocentric. I am saying “sincerely despise exploitation”, because many people have weak internal moral compass and integrity, and they tend to pretend to be good people for selfish reasons and do “good deeds” to gain social status; these people would exploit others if the majority agrees with such exploitation but never admit it to themselves or others. They tend to have relative morality rather than absolute morality, and ultimately see morality as a competition game to gain acceptance by others rather than to ensure well-being of others. We might argue that this is because of the disintegration of communities and indigenous cultures leading to individualistic win-lose type competition based interactions (such as the modern economic, political and education systems) between humans taking over. Lose-lose and win-lose type interactions are more dominant in destabilized systems (e.g. technology vs nature) as they often lack real solutions that benefit both parties, especially in the long-term. We should realize that in a world where the exploitation of animals is seen as abhorrent, the exploitation of nature and wildlife should also be seen as so; such a world, if informed enough as this book intends to achieve, would be against technological progress. Many animal rights activists would be surprised to learn that the exploitation of nature is not necessary or even beneficial for human well-being because what we do to nature, we do to ourselves; but exploitation is necessary for the expansion of the technological civilization." from The Connections (2023) book by Semih Oguzcan [available for free on my channel]
@@VeganSemihCyprus33
Long winded rant
@@rondarkman. you have my pity.
“Self absorbed spirituality is an enemy for the animals.. “
brilliant - I’ve heard the similar narrative from friends, trying to justify their cruel habits- so thank you Ed for your wisdom on this subject
Please don't ever change. You're our perfect spokesperson. With all the backlash we find ourselves up against, you are the emotional rejuvenation we need.
Never thought about how we romanticize nature because we only expose ourselves to the good side of it
A person who truly worships nature will renounce all technology and comfort and allow themselves to be eaten by wild predators. The fact that that ex-vegan doesn't do that makes her a fraud.
Usually city people. Come live in the country. You will see what you're made of.
The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ❤
"Animal rights activists are useful in informing the section of the population who already sincerely despise exploitation; and more often than not, if they are not hypocrites, these people are also against the technological exploitation of nature and less anthropocentric. I am saying “sincerely despise exploitation”, because many people have weak internal moral compass and integrity, and they tend to pretend to be good people for selfish reasons and do “good deeds” to gain social status; these people would exploit others if the majority agrees with such exploitation but never admit it to themselves or others. They tend to have relative morality rather than absolute morality, and ultimately see morality as a competition game to gain acceptance by others rather than to ensure well-being of others. We might argue that this is because of the disintegration of communities and indigenous cultures leading to individualistic win-lose type competition based interactions (such as the modern economic, political and education systems) between humans taking over. Lose-lose and win-lose type interactions are more dominant in destabilized systems (e.g. technology vs nature) as they often lack real solutions that benefit both parties, especially in the long-term. We should realize that in a world where the exploitation of animals is seen as abhorrent, the exploitation of nature and wildlife should also be seen as so; such a world, if informed enough as this book intends to achieve, would be against technological progress. Many animal rights activists would be surprised to learn that the exploitation of nature is not necessary or even beneficial for human well-being because what we do to nature, we do to ourselves; but exploitation is necessary for the expansion of the technological civilization." from The Connections (2023) book by Semih Oguzcan [available for free on my channel]
This is new to me.
My spirituality reinforces my veganism.
My veganism reinforces my spirituality.
But my spirituality has usually centered on ethics.
Exactly this! 💯 ❤
"Animal rights activists are useful in informing the section of the population who already sincerely despise exploitation; and more often than not, if they are not hypocrites, these people are also against the technological exploitation of nature and less anthropocentric. I am saying “sincerely despise exploitation”, because many people have weak internal moral compass and integrity, and they tend to pretend to be good people for selfish reasons and do “good deeds” to gain social status; these people would exploit others if the majority agrees with such exploitation but never admit it to themselves or others. They tend to have relative morality rather than absolute morality, and ultimately see morality as a competition game to gain acceptance by others rather than to ensure well-being of others. We might argue that this is because of the disintegration of communities and indigenous cultures leading to individualistic win-lose type competition based interactions (such as the modern economic, political and education systems) between humans taking over. Lose-lose and win-lose type interactions are more dominant in destabilized systems (e.g. technology vs nature) as they often lack real solutions that benefit both parties, especially in the long-term. We should realize that in a world where the exploitation of animals is seen as abhorrent, the exploitation of nature and wildlife should also be seen as so; such a world, if informed enough as this book intends to achieve, would be against technological progress. Many animal rights activists would be surprised to learn that the exploitation of nature is not necessary or even beneficial for human well-being because what we do to nature, we do to ourselves; but exploitation is necessary for the expansion of the technological civilization." from The Connections (2023) book by Semih Oguzcan [available for free on my channel]
Can't agree enough!
I bet you support abortion too and see no irony in that
I've seen this a million times. Spirituality is so broad and only requires one to interpret their own feelings. Anything can be spiritual. Sentientism is a much more accurate metric for an ethical vegan position than something as vague as spirituality.
⚠️ NEW LIFE GOAL ⚠️
…To live my entire life without upsetting EarthlingEd or this community. Love that we are keeping each other accountable, and honest to the real victims of this movement *THE ANIMALS*
If anything, spirituality helped me to question my habits and become a vegan in the first place. But for many people it is just an excuse.
That woman talking about the egg and “the end of the end” of her being vegan made me cringe and feel secondhand embarrassment.
me too. And eggs taste like shit as well so wtf
@@toastsandwich2862not to mention the smell.
Same here. She sounds fake as hell. My intuition is declaring to me she has a lot of pent up anger
I know right? I'd think it could have been a great lesson for the child- to return the egg to the mother chicken, teach kindness.
@@yuvall7741what I automatically thought she meant by "this one's for momma" 🤷🏼♀️
It's gross when empathy and narcissism get mixed around.
They don't get mixed at all. Narcissism comes with a facade. Empathy is never felt by a narcissist. 'Cognitive empathy' is not empathy.
Word!
"Animal rights activists are useful in informing the section of the population who already sincerely despise exploitation; and more often than not, if they are not hypocrites, these people are also against the technological exploitation of nature and less anthropocentric. I am saying “sincerely despise exploitation”, because many people have weak internal moral compass and integrity, and they tend to pretend to be good people for selfish reasons and do “good deeds” to gain social status; these people would exploit others if the majority agrees with such exploitation but never admit it to themselves or others. They tend to have relative morality rather than absolute morality, and ultimately see morality as a competition game to gain acceptance by others rather than to ensure well-being of others. We might argue that this is because of the disintegration of communities and indigenous cultures leading to individualistic win-lose type competition based interactions (such as the modern economic, political and education systems) between humans taking over. Lose-lose and win-lose type interactions are more dominant in destabilized systems (e.g. technology vs nature) as they often lack real solutions that benefit both parties, especially in the long-term. We should realize that in a world where the exploitation of animals is seen as abhorrent, the exploitation of nature and wildlife should also be seen as so; such a world, if informed enough as this book intends to achieve, would be against technological progress. Many animal rights activists would be surprised to learn that the exploitation of nature is not necessary or even beneficial for human well-being because what we do to nature, we do to ourselves; but exploitation is necessary for the expansion of the technological civilization." from The Connections (2023) book by Semih Oguzcan [available for free on my channel]
@@charlesgraham5550 Well explained.
Can you explain what you mean by cognitive empathy? I'm really interested but confused@@charlesgraham5550
I had an ayahuasca awakening and I'm into synchronicities and all that, but would never use it as an excuse to support animal suffering. You are spot on!
the people who do that , you can see their egos smothering them, overpowering them, and they just let it happen.
I miss the days when people took psychedelics to have fun
@@Pluralofvinylisvinyls I don't think, in any time, ppl took ayahuasca for fun
@@kayholand_ especially not now, when you spend thousands of dollars to vomit while being supervised by a pseudo “shaman” for a McSpiritual experience
@@Pluralofvinylisvinylsthere’s a big difference between ayahuasca and shrooms lol
To be honest, my vegan path started years ago with a sort of a "spiritual awakening", or what I should call a (almost) sudden expansion of awareness. As an professional artist, a good comparison would be, how in a learning process one can notice over time that an image consists also of a shadows and not only a light, or how much of a depth there is between a different shades of gray.
That being said, you're definitely right about how lots of people get lost in their own feelings and interpretations of a certain ideas. The so called "spiritual" culture that arose in the past decade or so, on the foundation of often ancient spiritual teachings, quickly became an usurper of itself. In my observation, especially RUclips serves as a kind of an incubator of extremely narcissistic individuals, living in a bubble, who gain their followers on the basis of their attractive bodies and/or often coincidentally convenient ideas. Over the years, quite a number of my friends got inspired by an "urban gurus", who advised some crazy concepts, with expectedly poor results.
Discernment is what I would call one of the fundamental spiritual principles - the thing is, everyone is on a different stage of their own awareness in life, and this will always cause misinterpretation by a whole lot of people. As counterintuitive it may seem, I personally aplaud every vegetarian I come across, as in my mostly carnivorous country (Poland), that's one person out of thousand (or more) I meet, and I feel it is somewhat closer to the "right" thing, than being entirely unconscious of ones own way of life.
Even regarding the "plant-feelings" issue, I do recognize that it is a living matter and in itself deserves a respect. What is obvious to me though, it's not a type of a living matter directly comparable to any animal, therefore it requires a slightly different definition. I guess, ahiṃsā is the most universal way of looking at this, as it could be used as a synonym to veganism - to not cause needless harm to no thing AND to ourselves, which in process of elimination leaves plant-based living as a best solution. That is of course, if we do not take more than we require.
All I can hope for a modern "spiritual culture" is that discernment will eventually spread based on clear awareness, and not opinion of people who talk with a nightsky stars, trip a bit too often or collect crystals for a living. To see things as they are.
I am Vegan because I don't want animals harmed on my behalf, and I will never stop.
I will never stop eating these delicious things
never say never
@@iamchristiankasper
I will animals are here to serve me
@@rondarkman. oh I was talking to rookie. But well to you too. Saying never just shows naivety.
Well, plenty of wild animals are harmed on your behalf so that you can eat your plants.
Thank you for covering Sophia Esperanza. She’s always struck me as a self absorbed narcissist. The way she talks, while showing artistic shots, and show casing her body, while trying to explain why she now exploits animals is hilarious to me. I saw it coming 💀 and she’s just a joke to me. She claims to be an animal activist?
Most RUclipsrs that find themselves interesting enough to be the center of all of their videos are narcissistic. Ed actually had a message and reason to make videos that isn’t just to show his appearance or to talk about himself.
@@bm.6349yep
the anti-speciesist tattoo while living a speciesist life really makes her point for all of us. Her message is, it's ok to go against the message of peace that inspires you to be a better person... clown world
Yeah she rubbed off phony to me for a while.
i find many animal rights activists are in it for the clout and the intoxicating rush they get from it. they love to be deemed a hero. it attracts many narcissists.
The way you come across so calm. Goals.
It's always been hilarious to me that often the most "spiritual" people who speak of "egos" and "energies", are the most egotistical AND consume daily, the energy of tortured and slaughtered innocent beings. Bizarre
you are super right! And that is cause they don't stand themselves
Most people who speak that way are vegan
*Tough decision Meme*
Someone gives you an egg:
Option 1: Decline it and explain your ethical believes
Option 2: Lick a crystal ball, eat the egg, throw your ethical believes out the window and publicly announce it to the internet
Mm. That is quite the precise summary of this.
Mmmm crystals tho.
if I put everything in my mouth that landed on my lap...
😂😂😂
HAHAHA
nearly choked on my noodles - love you Ed, calling it out. This is such toxic crapola. Also climate change activists not making the connection is annoying.
Yes! I hope he makes a video addressing inconsistencies with climate change activists who aren’t vegan.
Yes, plant agriculture causes climate change! It depletes the soil and reduces the ability of the soil to hold groundwater and greenhouse gasses.
Farming ruminant animals increases their number, which restores the soil, brings back natural habits and we are supplied with their healthy animal protein and healthy saturated fats
@@bobjohnson1633what do you think the animals are eating?
Eating vast amounts of plants in order to grow. Then only giving humans back 1/3 of what they ate in the first place.
We are growing more plants and causing more erosion than we need to.
Also saturated fat is not healthy.
"healthy saturated fats"???????@@bobjohnson1633
@@bobjohnson1633 A couple of things:
- 80% of total agricultural land use is directly for or driven by animal agriculture. This is about 40% of the total habitual land on earth.
- The amount of land that could be freed up for other purposes if the world transitioned to more plant based would contribute vastly more to combating climate change than any form of regenerative animal agriculture. Instead of a large net increase of greenhouse gasses, it could become carbon sinks so a positive double whammy.
- Large scale animal farming is largely damaging to the soil and does not restore it. There are regenerative practices where it can increase soil health, but even if we increased the efficiency of production it would still not even be close to a viable option to meet current global meat demands, which by the way is increasing. So it's just greenwashing.
- If you want to actually be informed on agricultural land use and its effects ourworldindata.org/land-use is a great resource.
your videos are the equivalent of journalistic essays - so poignant, well-researched and rethorically clear. thank you for building and using this skill you have for the animals
I agree! Ed is gifted with a talent to weave a narrative using his subject's own contradictions to expose their incredible hypocrisy.
Sophia might not be vegan anymore, but she still enjoys a good word salad.
lol good one
Leave her off.
best comment right here
@@shro_okee Thank you!
Goddammit, I made exactly the same comment and then scrolled down and saw this. Oh well, great minds.
Objective, rational, and passionate. This is why I love Ed Winters.
Yes! You worded this perfectly.
I love Ed, too- and love his mind, and his ability to debate. However, what makes him incredible is not this- it is his alignment with his true nature, which is Love for all sentient beings. A robot can debate. Purity of heart (i.e, compassion) is what makes a great person, and a resonant force. The absurd hypocrites reveal themselves. ;)
"Animal rights activists are useful in informing the section of the population who already sincerely despise exploitation; and more often than not, if they are not hypocrites, these people are also against the technological exploitation of nature and less anthropocentric. I am saying “sincerely despise exploitation”, because many people have weak internal moral compass and integrity, and they tend to pretend to be good people for selfish reasons and do “good deeds” to gain social status; these people would exploit others if the majority agrees with such exploitation but never admit it to themselves or others. They tend to have relative morality rather than absolute morality, and ultimately see morality as a competition game to gain acceptance by others rather than to ensure well-being of others. We might argue that this is because of the disintegration of communities and indigenous cultures leading to individualistic win-lose type competition based interactions (such as the modern economic, political and education systems) between humans taking over. Lose-lose and win-lose type interactions are more dominant in destabilized systems (e.g. technology vs nature) as they often lack real solutions that benefit both parties, especially in the long-term. We should realize that in a world where the exploitation of animals is seen as abhorrent, the exploitation of nature and wildlife should also be seen as so; such a world, if informed enough as this book intends to achieve, would be against technological progress. Many animal rights activists would be surprised to learn that the exploitation of nature is not necessary or even beneficial for human well-being because what we do to nature, we do to ourselves; but exploitation is necessary for the expansion of the technological civilization." from The Connections (2023) book by Semih Oguzcan [available for free on my channel]
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 Wow! Brilliantly expressed~*!
I’d consider myself a spiritual gal. But I was a science loving gal first. I try to be logically and ethically consistent. So, I’m vegan.
Exactly. You consume pain and suffering, you become it.
Science told me that I was an omnivore. God told me that He never had a problem with that. Harmony!
Strange. God told me something different.
Ahimsa!
@@jsblastoff Strange indeed! As a Christian, I find myself with a guidebook which, following the change in Mankind's nature (end of Gen.3), is entirely non-vegan; from Cain & Abel to the final, passover meal of Jesus.
Of course, no Christian has to eat "meat" but dietary experiments see me thriving as a WF omnivore.
Genesis 9:1-3 (KJV)
'1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.'
Leviticus 11:1-3,9 (KJV)
'1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall [may?] eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.'
Matthew 15:11 (KJV)
'11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.'
@@jsblastoff If 'the resolve to halt the cycle of reincarnation through relentless pursuit of truth and non-violence' (dharmacakra) were achieved, would that lead to eternal life on Earth?
As we can see, to be abusive, even spiritual abusive, is a sense of entitlement, an attitute of arrogance and ignorance, which is bottomless. The only antidote is common sense. Thank you for this video and I'm grateful you finally spoke about this topic ❤
As a spiritual vegan, these people make me incredibly saddened. 💔
How incredibly far they fall.
I do relate to what you say sooo much...... A spiritual vegan as well and always as long as I live a vegan with all my Heart and Soul.....💖@@Brukner841
Yeah, I simply don’t understand how you can be spiritual, understanding that everybody comes from source energy and then go back to causing unnecessary suffering bc you’re masking your self-centeredness (which is ego and spirituality is about moving away from ego) as spirituality. Really makes no sense to me
A vegetarian with an end speciesism tattoo is hilarious lmao 😂😂😂
Thanks for making the video and exposing those self centered A holes
She will probably get it covered up
"Animal rights activists are useful in informing the section of the population who already sincerely despise exploitation; and more often than not, if they are not hypocrites, these people are also against the technological exploitation of nature and less anthropocentric. I am saying “sincerely despise exploitation”, because many people have weak internal moral compass and integrity, and they tend to pretend to be good people for selfish reasons and do “good deeds” to gain social status; these people would exploit others if the majority agrees with such exploitation but never admit it to themselves or others. They tend to have relative morality rather than absolute morality, and ultimately see morality as a competition game to gain acceptance by others rather than to ensure well-being of others. We might argue that this is because of the disintegration of communities and indigenous cultures leading to individualistic win-lose type competition based interactions (such as the modern economic, political and education systems) between humans taking over. Lose-lose and win-lose type interactions are more dominant in destabilized systems (e.g. technology vs nature) as they often lack real solutions that benefit both parties, especially in the long-term. We should realize that in a world where the exploitation of animals is seen as abhorrent, the exploitation of nature and wildlife should also be seen as so; such a world, if informed enough as this book intends to achieve, would be against technological progress. Many animal rights activists would be surprised to learn that the exploitation of nature is not necessary or even beneficial for human well-being because what we do to nature, we do to ourselves; but exploitation is necessary for the expansion of the technological civilization." from The Connections (2023) book by Semih Oguzcan [available for free on my channel]
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet probably not because she doesn’t view consuming animal secretions as exploitation. She thinks she’s honoring them 🙄
Veganism is attacking spirituality because of "pseudo" spirituality.
Leg of Lamb for dinner.
I became a vegetarian in 1976. I was sure my diet was cruelty free to animals. We just didn't have the exposure to information like we do today. Awareness reveals what is right and what is wrong. Keep up the good work Ed! Millions of animals thank you!
Exactly!!!
Congratulations on your discovery!!!
You became a vegetarian in 1976. When did you become a vegan?
@@_Beetcoin_ A few years ago with all the horrors of the dairy industry being revealed on youtube was quite a kick in the butt for me. I just figured cows were milked and then retired when done being milked. Dairy is actually a horrible part of the meat industry. I know many spiritual people and groups who refuse to accept how horrible dairy is while preaching their love for animals. The Indian culture is still deeply embedded with their love for dairy products. The Holy Cow pays the price with its head. Then there's the silk worms being boiled alive in their cocoons.
Ed, you're a legend sir. Thank you for all you do.
@@Soundoholics Thanks for your kind reply. 🙂
This man's debate topics around veganism are so varied and interesting.
Top notch ⭐️⭐️🌟⭐️⭐️
I can't even watch Sofia's video without laughing. I run away from that type of spirituality long awhile ago and was the best decision ever.
Nothing spiritual takes place in a slaughterhouse.
This is one of your best videos ED, if not the best, from an epistemological perspective.
Me, 50 years plant-based (vegan) and it was (by far) the best moral-ethical decision that I ever made.
Murdering millions of birds, rodents, and insects, all while destroying the soil and displacing millions of acres of natural habitats, committing literal genocide, was the most ethnical decision you've ever made? I'm guessing you are a serial child murderer if that's your level of morality
50 years! Amazing. Must have been hard in those first decades.
@@carstenaltena
Actually no, I found it very easy from a personal perspective.
I guess, IF one is living in a traditional "meat n potatoes" (Anglo Saxon) type cultural-society, then perhaps it would have been a lot more difficult back in the early 1970's...but in Israel (and the eastern Mediterranean) region in general it is far more naturally plant-based...with an abundance of wonderful, local, dishes that are vegan anyways.
Even back then, vegetarianism was already quite popular and accepted by all age groups. Most of the Kibbutzim farming communities offered a full vegetarian meal menu in their community dining halls. So, migrating to a vegan diet was not actually a very big step. I had several Israeli fiends who were also vegan and very much against any form of animal exploitation, cruelty, etc. Including some members of my family back then.
ruclips.net/video/-nqaWbeEpxM/видео.htmlsi=jZ6JcZUlJoWbFsJk
It's really no surprise to me (today) that Tel Aviv is now the vegan capital of the world and that veganism has become totally mainstream, etc. 12% of the city identify as plant-based.
ruclips.net/video/aWxfOGtACGY/видео.htmlsi=Nj-gq3bWRTQ6sEa6
Plus, I travelled a lot back then, and places such as southern India, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Bali, and China, etc., also offered some incredible local plant based cuisines that have been around for centuries, or even millennia.
I don't cook/eat "western" foods, per se...so I am not reliant upon these recent "vegan" alternative food products, and so forth.
My wife and I (she has been plant based since 1967) predominantly make Cretan, Israel, and south Indian meals from scratch at home, so all the required ingredients, food sources, etc., are right there in any major supermarket these days.
We even had soy milks, more than 40 years ago. I agree, that they weren't as good as they are today (of course) and the selection was rather small in comparison...but they were available.
@@kevztunes That is amazing, I wasn't aware about that! I should move haha. I'm in meat-dairy-egg-central (The Netherlands). Although more and more people around me try to eat less animal products in the last few years.
My spirituality and my ethics founded in love are one of the main reasons I am vegan. All of the logical and scientific reasons as well. One of the problems I see a lot is that when people think they are listening to their “heart” it is still just ego in another form.
As a person who chose to become a vegan out of a combination of "spiritual woo woo" and science I still choose to remain Vegan out of "Love". As you stated, the science supports it as one of the best ways to not impact life negatively, so as someone who wants to l"ove my neighbour as I love myself". I will acknowledge the science that tell's me how to best do that. Thank you for sharing points that are valid and forgotten by many of us on spiritual journeys, hopefully some might learn and choose not to take offense, cause as "woo woo" as it may sound, we are all in this together and the least we can do, is not hurt each other (including animals).
"Nothing feels more liberating than living in your truth."
That's a fancy way of saying: "It doesn't matter what happens to others, as long as it feels good to ME."
I fancy myself a normal human with a normal job - I’ve been vegan 10 years. Will never stop. These woo woo influencers make me cringe so hard and deeply disappoint me. Seeing their argument feels so clearly flawed and watching people go praise them for their bravery etc is hard. But thank you for the work you do and using your words to describe this better than I could. Us normal vegans without wild restrictions or a need for performing content appreciate your steadiness on our side.
He really is using an astounding platform for such an incredible cause.
Same. I’m your average joe with an average job and I have no problem with that whatsoever, I’ve been vegan for almost 8 years now and always will be, but these ex vegans, for the most part, are completely embarrassing.
Ed is so very articulate to put our feelings about these self proclaimed ex-"vegans" into words in the best way.
A "normal" job. Wtf dude.
@@Kalvis1
He could have been a worker in a slaughter house. Lol
Dear Ed, I deeply appreciate your work. It's very inspiring, especially because of the calm and compassionate way you debate with people coming from all paths of life. I've been vegan for 10 years now, and on a spiritual journey my whole life. These two aspects of my being go hand in hand in my case, as I believe there is no better way to be connected with Mother Nature, Spirit and all living beings than following a vegan lifestyle. Therefore I feel very sad when I see people using spirituality to justify animal abuse. I also believe that there is more to life than what we can experience rationally. I’ve been through several meditation and psychedelic retreats, and what happened to me was to simply deepen my connection with all there is. So I keep having a hard time buying into the idea that we are entitled to exploit or even kill anyone for our nourishment, when we do have the possibility to do otherwise.
THANK YOU for talking about this. I had been following Yoga GIrl for years and years, she was part of the reason I became vegan. And I was so incredibly disappointed when she just abandoned it all, with no real reason other than "some higher power told me to". And it's just BS. But there's a big trend going on right now amongst health influencers, for them veganism was only a diet and was super trendy up until 2022. The new healthy trend is to eat meat, so they follow. It was never about the animals.
Plant Chompes RUclips channel is a great source of info on why the new trend is to eat meat - and how wrong it is. This recent episode is especially good: ruclips.net/video/nnyzuY-Xwe4/видео.html
For half of them it truly never was. So many people on carnivore diets are ex-“vegans”. Just sheeple following trends.
The narcisism is nauseating, and they have no clue about real spirituality. Thank you for exposing this, Ed.
It is their narcissism that drives this. You are right.
I agree with the nauseating narcissism.
Please enlighten us about 'real spirituality' and make sure to give a clear definition while defending the choices made to distinguish it from other definitions as well as the no-true-scotsman-fallacy...
They have no clue about anything! Farming animals has nothing to do with nature! It is the antithesis of nature, in fact! And, they wouldn’t know spirituality if it bit them in their asses! If anyone really wanted to be productive and actually help nature and the planet, then they would end all support of the animal agriculture industry worldwide effective immediately! The domestication and farming of animals is, was, and will always be wrong, and the root of all that is wrong in this world! Veganic permaculture and gardening methods, and plant-based nutrition and herbal medicine FTW! Plant trees, rehabilitate wildlife habitat, and eat plants!
Any recommendations on vegan spiritual teachers? ✨🌱
@@iammnyxx spirituality is a contentless deepidy
Sofia may not be a vegan anymore, but she can still toss together a great word salad.
She can almost go toe to toe with Eddy
People get a strong emotional attachment to their beliefs and it is almost impossible to talk to them. When you offer a rational argument, they just shut down.
It's not about us, its about the animals who don't have a voice. We will NEVER stop for them.
Lol😂😂 get a grip
You nailed this so damn hard. I've had it with the spiritual and holistic communities
Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@@ReverendDr.Thomas what do you think?
@@ninaacuna9540, I am patiently awaiting your response to my question, SLAVE. ☝🏼
I was just in a "spiritual" shop yesterday and *tried* to make myself look past the red flags to appreciate it as I live in a small rural community so getting a fairly explicitly pagan-esque store is... Unique and so I thought, refreshing. But here the dude working the counter, standing by their selection of "healing crystals" was going on about how he's "totally immune to covid" ever since he "got it naturally" and "covid seemed not as bad as the flu when I had it tbh!" and he's "never once" worried about getting it again or spreading it to others throughout the pandemic, and started trying to reassure this nurse in there that even though the main lady that started it is out sick he's "pretty sure" it's not the new covid variant, and that it "shouldn't be a problem at all to get a palm reading from her!"
🥴
me too bunch of hypocrites
One of my favorite Bible verses my Christian friend and I discuss is:
“The heart is treacherous”. 😂
I'm vegan in a large part because of my Buddhist practice. For the benefit of all beings 🙏
I am not a Buddhist, but thanks to veganism, I now understand what it means to be rueful, as well as the evils of gruesomeness.
..for the benifit of all beings I will strive to survive causing the least pain possible. This is what we said over 40 yrs ago as teenage punk rockers becoming vegan.....now I am buddhist.....and still vegan...still punk at heart.
@@emptyemptiness8372 It is good to give up punk and switch to spiritual sooncraft such as Richard Wagner (who was vegetarian).
Buddha’s well documented “favorite dish” was pig- and he passed after having eaten it and fallen ill.
All you people in this comments trying to make a case for veganism and buddhism being related, are acting like straight up fools.
Stop bringing religion into veganism.
Thank you for calling the bs Ed!
yeah finally
Meh and yet still 8 billion are not vegan
THANK YOU!!! This is probably the #1 most infuriating excuse I hear, from so called “spiritual” people who use their “spirituality, intuition, in touch with my ancestors, honoring Indigenous peoples of the Earth, my truth, eating animal products just feels right in my body, it’s my journey, Namaste”, co-opting “spiritual” speak to
try to justify their own narcissism and consumption of animal products and thus selfish cruelty, such phony B.S.
Great video. 👏👏👏💚💪
💯 not to mention they seem to treat ancient peoples/Indigenous peoples as a monolith and completely disregard completely different diets based on region/hemisphere
Plus there's more and more evidence being discovered that ancient people didn't eat as much meat as previously thought.
yep @@mitsukitai2713
As a lion would feed on me, I will feed on a deer and birds, the plants and insects will feed on my corpse, then the deers and birds will feed on the plants and insects.
I am one with nature. You're a racist who thinks you're above all other flora and fauna.
When I walk the spiritual path (which the label has gotten out of hand), I do feel "evil" trying to bring me down. I was told compassion and love is the way to God (again a mis-used label), but I can feel myself getting angry and hateful, but I eventually bring myself back to homeostasis and compassion and understanding to the best of my ability. I have come to understand that everything is god. Everything - including suffering and death; however, I would never stop being vegan. period. BUT, I wonder if these "Spiritual" people really were on the right path, but evil got to them and put their influence on them. She looks very materialistic and perhaps she was still walking the path of the "devil" so to speak and that's why she regressed, like she got caught by "demons" or something that brought her back down, and is using to and her platform to brainwash the masses... I definitely feel like eating animals keeps everyone in a low vibration and it's hurting our growth and mother earth. I feel like there is an evil out there that doesn't want people to awaken. Going vegan is the first step in awakening. We are choosing love, over hate, love over fear, love over suffering, and the evil of the world doesn't want us to wake up to love.. okay- this sounds crazy haha! sorry! not sure how else to put it into words. lol... but veganism is the answer and something evil doesn't want us to walk that path. that's why algorithms stifle the vegan hashtag and vegan videos and the mainstream media always points out stories of when a vegan dies... it's assinine. .. stay true, vibe in love.
Sounds like the folks that advocate abortion. My body, my right... killing animals and killing babies, both just wrong. (Sorry, I had to say it)
I think being vegan is more than just an intellectual exercise, as you say. Without empathy, it's just as easy to think their suffering is irrelevant or deny that they suffer at all.
So many "spiritual people" rely too much on their "intuition" without having developed any spiritual discernment tools or skills. They think their intuition is infallible when they the incarnated soul is still on dial-up modem (not broadband) to their higher soul and it's wisdom. They confuse blindly believing random thoughts in their aura to be intuition. And suffer from ESP mystical sydrome thinking eveything happens for some metaphysical reason to guide them. I've even seen people who had studied from authentic spiritual masters that teach them appropriate and valid discernment skills, still fail to practice what they were taught and remain clueless due to pride and delusions of self grandeur. We all need to remain humble, use discerment and analytical thinking, and test the validity of our intuition.
I've been waiting for a video like this! I'm in LA, surrounded by these types of people. Not a knock on spirituality in general, but when you hide behind it to push these logical and unethical inconsistencies, it takes the focus away from the true victims-- the animals.
I was out with a group of people a while back here in London and there was an American woman just off the plane, saying how nice it was to have a decent conversation at last. I said joshingly, 'You're easily pleased.' She: 'You don't understand. I'm from LA. Conversation there is like, "What's your star sign?"'
I love how passionate you got towards the end. First time I’ve seen you express frustration openly. It was definitely warranted. Someone had to say it 👏🏻
With all of the millions of birds, rodents, and insects he kills every year with pesticides, harvesting fields, and wiping out natural habitats to grow more fields, I'm surprised he has any more hate and anger to share.
Ed, your intelligence and eloquence blows me away each time I hear you talk! Thank you very much FOR ALL THAT YOU DO for the animals!!!! ❤❤❤❤
I don’t just tell ppl I’m vegan - I tell them I’m a “strict” vegan
You have to tell everyone that because you are so into yourself. No one cares what you eat….keep it to yourself and eat. Only vegans go around telling everyone they are vegan….just be vegan and don’t tell anyone….that’s the real proof right there….otherwise you are just trying to get attention for yourself and trying to act like you are somehow more “moral” than others or something….when you’re not.
tell em ur anti speciesist
Absolutly brilliant as always! Your arguments are spot on! Loved when you said “ You’re not freeing yourself by not being vegan, you’re just choosing to oppress someone else instead “.
I don't know how someone can talk about love and positivity while paying for some else to kill innocent animals when we don't have too and have amazing plant based foods. These people really give spirituality and ancient traditions a really bad name. I am vegan and used my head and followed my heart. Being a whole foods vegan will benefit any spiritual practice.
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millions of animals including small mammals, ground nesting birds and their eggs, reptiles, amphibians, worms, and insects are killed to protect and cultivate agricultural fields and orchards. eating only plants doesn't mean there is no impact on animals at all. and there's a lot more of the above than the large cuddly herd animals and poultry that gain the most attention.
her religions is herself. selfishness. and she is following the whims of her mind.
Thank you Ed for this video, always so eloquent! I am a spiritual person and I see spirituality as being grounded here and now, and not causing harm to others. I hate it when I go to certain groups where I am hoping to find people connected with nature and all beings but instead I find that connection but as long as it's comfortable for them and they don't have to change their lifestyle and take away their privileges. I recently did a deepening connection with nature course where I was the only vegan there, and I was so surprised, seeing this deep love that people had with the world and its beings and yet still paying for their suffering. It blows my mind to see so much hypocrisy. The excuses that people make for some reason feel worse when it comes from a supposedly spiritual person.
Well said Ed. Spirituality is about compassion for others and not wanting to cause suffering to others. It’s not about yourself as these people seem to think. Thank you for standing up to them and speaking so intelligently. Barbara (Animal Interfaith Alliance).
I use to work at a vegan cafe, where pretty much all of us were vegan, highly supportive of the movement, and relatively vocal in our small city. Every single person other than myself and my two buddies that worked there turned back. Similar ambiguous and abstract reasons were given, some borderline spiritual/intuitive, but from my perspective it was simply getting involved with the "locavore" community that did it. Without being part of this community it was very hard to have friends in more rural settings and very hard to own land and create their own food, which is also a very good thing to do in support of lowering suffering globally. So they all started to settle for some local backyard eggs, then a local goat, and then before you know it, whenever they are out and about they buy any vegetarian, sometimes even meat/fish based products. One of the more vocal vegans who switched positions would say how much better they felt after eating seafood, that is was healthy, yet upon reconnecting and meeting up the first 15 minutes was him complaining about his health. It was only hours later in our hang-out when the topic of veganism arose, followed by his consumption of oysters and fish, that he started to portray it as healthy and great, even though he both looked like and admitted that he is less healthy lately.
This Sophie girl seems like she is part of a community, small, local, rural, etc. that is living vegetarian. I don't think it is God, or her intuition telling her to consume these products and then prompt others to do so in a totally different environment that isn't so "happy", it is most likely feelings of fear, insecurity, need for belonging, and need for stability that are pushing her to think this is the right solution just like pretty near all my friends/coworkers did in the face of joining small rural communities. Sacrificing the lives of animals for their own comfortable living situation, trying to balance the scales of "well it's local" vs "well it is not mutilating, caging and torturing innocent beings", as if the former is better. The issue with these local communities is that they have even more responsibility to be vegan and they don't see it: they OWN land, it is theirs, people and other beings DEPEND upon them, so if they don't create a framework for vegans to coexist, it is actually kinda terrible of them.
We can justify anything in the name of God, but if we truly love God, then we love all of creation as much as possible. This means we are going to hurt as few animals and beings as possible. In the "alignment" of spirit, veganism is still the only logical choice.
I research Eastern Spirituality, Religion and Philosophy as my life's work, and the primary realization from Sufism to Hinduism to Jainism to Buddhism to Daoism to Zen....is that it is all one infinite, seamless consciousness, filled and brimming with life, feeling and love, and is technically beyond all labels and conceptual limitation. This oneness of existence, beyond our beliefs about it, is what the spiritual paths are meant to help us realize and live. In this, intuition, feelings, high powers, are not actual things that exist, they are simply labels and concepts for what is infinite. Science, logic, rationality, plants, animals, and doing the dishes are all part of that same God, that same oneness. You cannot ignore them in favor of some illusory concept of "intuition or feeling". I do believe that some patterns could honestly be called intuition, however, I think most of the time we just call our biases and fears intuition.
In the face of God, living a spiritual life, we cannot earnestly live in our harmful desires. We are harming the very thing we admire, adore, desire, proclaim, worship, follow, etc. by harming other life for our own gain or preference. That other life is the spirit, it is God, it is wholly and equally part of the "spiritual" world, and deserves to be treated as such.
Very well said
@@AuraSparks Thank you :)
There is no god
Beautiful written and an Indepth soulful evaluation on the entirety of life and god's presence in all living things. Thank you for your inspiring clarity and transcendent wisdom with your open hearted and honest, sagaciousness awareness for divine love and connection to the souls of all creation.
Very interesting. I myself have become vegan (for the animals, obviously) recently, and what is being said about veganism by people like Ed resonate a lot. However, I do know a couple of people who claim to know all of this, yet decided at some point to start eating meat again. I wouldn't say they were fully vegan at any point, but they seem to know a bit about the ethics around eating meat, and what intrigued me is that they know about it, and then at one point revert to eating meat again. I myself cannot imagine doing that, though I did enjoy eating meat from a culinary perspective, and was absolutely clueless about the rest of it...(an observation about my way of looking at the world that I found rather alarming and problematic and am still trying to wrap my head around....). I cannot fathom how people can move away from this ethical stance....once you know, you know, right!? Thank you for sharing these insights, that helps a lot in trying to understand how this works....❤
I was seeing last night a video with one of the farmers that stopped sending cows to slaughter and sent them to sanctuary. He said the beginning of his awakening was transcendental meditation. It helped him feel a connection to the animals he cared for and he could no longer hurt them. That’s true spiritual awakening in my mind. He’s now a vegan farmer.
Was it one of Joey Carbstrong's video?
I loved that video ❤
The problem with this is that someone could just as easily say that transcendental meditation led them to the conclusion that these animals were here to nourish them. Ed is making the point that veganism is based on actual science and logic. Be wary of pseudoscientific nonsense like ‘transcendental meditation’.
So he just murders millions of "pest" animals every year, instead of taking care of cattle like they are family until they are ready to be slaughtered?
IDK wtf you people think happens to these animals in nature, but they either starve, freeze, or get killed and eaten by natural predators. The natural predators you people have almost made extinct.
@@robsengahay5614 nope it doesn't ,since if you put your own viewpoint on things ,then you haven't trancended yourself ,duh. Lot of people do however dabble in spiritual experiences ,but they make it all about themselves ,not about that other ,called universe, god ,world, cosmic, etc.
@@jensbekaert166 My first question would be how can anyone prove that they have transcended themselves? I can imagine that hallucinogenic drugs may make one feel that they have transcended themselves but almost certainly they have simply accessed thoughts within their own brains.
Judge: why did you murder 8 people
Me: I just felt spiritually aligned with it
Judge: ah, you should’ve said. Case dismissed
i just ah thank you for existing and being able to sift through such complex thoughts and vocalize them 💕
My spiritual awakening began when I went vegan. ❤
I love this!! ❤My response was similar. I became vegan because of my spiritual awakening. Two years of meditating every night and a baby octopus in a sea aquarium changed my mind about eating fish (and I also stopped going to sea aquariums too)! Vegan since the summer of 2021 and will be forever.
Same!❤
Yup! Same! 48 years an atheist and bam! Hare Krishna!
@@stephenowens3687Hare Ram 💚
A major milemarker along the road is but a stepping stone in our journey, it doesn't mean you've arrived back home,very good kme, 1st step- sound generates space which generates step 2 which is-its universal/ catholic science notwithstanding opinions of fallible creatures, irrefutable and undeniably so, something like when cock crowing the sun comes up, _ so he thought, but truth is its something else, , the assembly of sacred scientists attenuating synergetic inosculation of nature
Well said Ed. I've never trusted a Vegan who's on a "Journey".
As Lifting Vegan Logic always says about these fools, “Journey jOuRnEy JoUrNeY”
Hahaha Sophie is funny she was an activist for make people aware and she stops by her self TOOO FUNNY!
I've never trusted a vegan. They live off of chemicals called "pesticides" and destroy as much natural habitat as possible.
@@vincentvinnie You’re right she is such a joke! 🤣🤣
Please make more videos ed, you give me hope. ❤
Love your words, arguments and reflections! Thank you so much for sharing ❤🙏
Ed, the patience you have to explain stuff like this so calmly is mind-blowing. I hear any one of these people talk about how they quit and they sound delusional and self-absorbed. It sounds like they're trying to convince themselves out loud that they truly believe in the wacky stuff their "spirt" or "heart and mind" told them.
Go Habs go
As a man selling a book calmly pushes commonly held beliefs to the people that already believe them so he can sell a book.
Yes! And wouldn't "leading with my heart" also mean employing respect, compassion and empathy for others?
Exactly
Yep. I eat the deer, plants eat me, deer eat the plants. Compassion.
You just genocide animals, destroy their habitats, and rape the earth.
She doesn't have a heart. She's mistaking her giant ego for her heart.
I guess what he's saying is that even the "leading with my heart" argument is rooted in ethics and logic, not in some vague spiritual nonsense like "being connected to nature means I should eat that cow".
thank you ed ! your words and view points are always welcomed and in good timing !
Amazing video! As always, you articulate the issue so well. Thank you 🐮🐭
I was a vegan back in the early 90s and then became an ex- vegan, but I wasn’t like on social media or anything I just fell for the humane aspect of the animal industry and began eating only humanely raised animal products for a while. But then I had a surgery and I was out of work for a while and I saw Garry yurovskis best speech ever on RUclips and I was instantly a vegan again. That was in 2015.
Do you have a link to the speech you can share?
@@dmoskha ruclips.net/video/uxhL2lsgokY/видео.htmlsi=NfZm6CN4q1wMAcAD
ruclips.net/video/U5hGQDLprA8/видео.html@@dmoskha
@@dmoskha If you look up Gary Yourofski 'best speech ever' you'll find it. It's about 1 hour. Let us know what you think ❤ my husbabd and I watch it at least once a year
You were never vegan. How could you have been? Veganism is centred on empathy for the animals, you cannot lose that to suit yourself
I love how factually and calmy you explain things, Ed. In my experience, people who stop being vegans do so, because they don't put the animals at the centre of their life choice. If you're in it because you genuinely care about the suffering of animals and put them at the centre of your decision rather than your own wants, there is no other option but to live a vegan life. Listening to Sophia makes it clear that to her, it's about herself, what SHE wants. The animals are secondary to her. And to so many other people.
Thanks so so much, always, Ed. You make it so much easier to connect to people on a rational level, when their hearts just aren't in it.
I've been on a whole food plant diet for over 10 years and weigh less than I did in highschool. I thank God for giving me this information so soon in my lives last half it has saved me from so much harm . I was prediabetic and had constipation.. now it's not an issue
Absolutely love this video. Let’s be honest here about these people’s motivations. They lost the fight. They weren’t able any longer to put the importance of reduced suffering ahead of their own selfish desires for taste. Spirituality is the disguise they’re using to try to make them not appear to be a hypocrite based off their previously stated views and actions. The real shame is that in order to disguise their hypocrisy, they feel the need to share it with their audiences, adding further still to the prospect of animal cruelty. A well made argument Ed, as always.
Is that why dinner plates 🍽️ across the globe are dominated by deliiiiiiiiiiiiciouuuuuuuuus meeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaattttttttttttt 😊
I think they were also interested in growing their "brands" by diversifying.
Not true
@@patrickdalton2424???? Please specify. Thank you.
Totally agreed! I also believe that they have a never ending desire to go against the grain and stand out. Originally going vegan felt bold to them. Now it’s quitting veganism that feels edgy.
They were never Vegan for the animals…they ask sounds so selfish, heartless and ridiculous!
Thank you Ed, you always know the right things to say, love you and everything you do for the Animals!🌱❤️
You have to wonder if they ever really were vegan. We only have their word for it.
Yet, Ed failed to prevent deliiiiiiiiiiiiciouuuuuuuuus Pork chops 🥩🥩 from appearing in my plate 🍽️
You’re always just so perfectly spot on 🖤
I met an ex-vegan the other night who talked about the fermentation processes that go on in things like cheese and salami-making and said that 'ultimately' he 'made the decision that he didn't want to exclude alchemy' from his life. Oh boy.
Really? Wow 🙄
@@thorham1346 Felt to me completely in line with the mystic BS you hear of ex-vegans giving as explanations for their change of diet in videos like these all the time.
I liked the guy, by the way, just thought he was a bit confused. He also said he had coeliac and felt this had made things harder for him as a vegan, though I can't see why there isn't a vegan way 'round that, e.g. lots of rice and buckwheat to replace wheat and other gluten-containing grains.
😂 holy sh… Now I remember why I don’t seek out to meet new people anymore