Why don't vegans eat backyard eggs?
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TODAY'S VIDEO:
We know that vegans don’t consume eggs, but what about eggs from backyard chickens? Why would that be a problem? After all these hens live a good life, right?
These are questions vegans encounter all of the time, and at first they seem reasonable. After all, most of the problems associated with egg production don’t exist with eggs from backyard hens, so what would the problem be? #BackyardChickens
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Vitamin d3 video? I’m not sure how it’s cruel to shear a sheep. Could you do a video on that?
Love the work that you do!
Please make a video on the argument that Humans Are Omnivores. This is an argument that I can't challenge as a vegan
@@syeda_jessica just look at the essential features between us and omnis literally only one thing in common...a simple stomach but we have lower stomach capacity and have more alkaline ph
@David McCarthy learn how to debate
@David McCarthy I have been very self critical that's why I don't eat meat..because we literally have no need for it
I am REALLY liking this series of “Why don’t vegans consume [insert possible loophole/less bad animal product]?”
Keep them up, these are so well done and insightful; doesn’t leave much room for my friends/family who are on the fence when I send them these.
Where is your evidence, internet warrior? Please cite a peer-reviewed study. If you cannot provide evidence, you are wrong.
@PC LOAD LETTER You're the one that brought it up. Why don't you back up your claim?
@PC LOAD LETTER u know nothing of nutrition
@PC LOAD LETTER Phytic acid is a good example of a nutrient that is both good and bad, depending on the circumstances. For most people, it's a healthy plant compound. Not only is phytic acid an antioxidant, it may also be protective against kidney stones and cancer
@PC LOAD LETTER and fatty liver is causes mostly by highly fatty foods especially saturated fats
A stray duck turned up one day & after a few months I decided to see if I could use clicker training to allow me to get close to her so I could check her over (she had a bad limp), in just two weeks she went from feral & avoiding humans altogether to waddling as fast as her little legs could carry her towards me whenever she saw me. She had a great personality, loved interacting & playing, so quickly became my duck dog, following me around everywhere- the neighbours always commented on how dog like she was- esp as I taught her to heel, lie down, fetch etc.
She was always 100% free to leave whenever she wanted to, had unlimited access to food & hung out with the wild ducks when I wasn't around, so hanging out with me & playing was entirely up to her. She taught me that we don't give the less 'cute & cuddly' animals nearly as much credit as we should.
Ducks are very cuddly, especially if they imprint on you when they are born.
Vegans are against farming eggs no matter how moral or ethical it is and they would deem it as commodification but what about other similar problems like forced male circumcision done without any medical reasoning. Most people do it for cosmetic purposes and never medical reasons (such as cancer) and its easier to clean the prepuce and avoid getting diseases in the first place. People would circumcise so they could profit the prepuce for other things like beauty and other products. And what’s the difference between circumcising a non consenting male infant compared to performing castration on livestock (cutting tails, tagging) both are done without anesthesia
@@theshumsshowforfun2.051 ... Your post has no context to mine- I think you've posted your reply to the wrong person.
@@nixequestrian3721 But seriously. From all issues that we are facing and eating eggs are vegans biggest complaint? Yeah the egg industry is harsh but what about those who eat backyard eggs who give their chickens the best treatment possible. Why don’t you vegans go protest at a russian embassy and protest their to stop the war in ukraine while i enjoy my nutrition from an harvested egg from a chicken who is taken cared of well
@@theshumsshowforfun2.051 You are tagging & posting your responses to the wrong comment.
Your comments have no relevance to my comment.
I bought some hens to produce eggs for me when I still vegetarian. The chickens turned me vegan. They have so much personality and individuality, and taking their eggs definitely upset them.
I cant say that I have ever seen my chickens be upset over that and I watch them like a hawk, im a real helicopter chicken mom, but then again, I always leave one egg for them, because they love to lay in places where there are eggs already
Any vegan farmer has to kill animals to grow vegetables. Otherwise all their vegetables would get eaten. No such thing as cruelty free food
They can turn to eating their own eggs ... It's a difficult habit to break if you leave the eggs around to get broken it starts that way
@@AIuzky why don't we accept that a chicken is going to be upset sometimes and move forward
@@AIuzky I'm not bothered about the upsetted- ness .of it all ..
Chicken freak out about anything and everything they only live on average 5 years or so
I keep back yard hens on my allotment, they are all rescues. Most have stopped laying as they are all about 3 years old but I'll never kill them off. They are my pets and the occasional egg is a bonus. Also the fertiliser they provide make my fruit and veg grow brilliantly, they also help me out by eating pests from the plot.
You are doing good work
My gramps did the same thing. He got his chicks from a friend and he only took eggs on days he wanted some, otherwise he'd just leave them. The ones that didn't produce he just let them be pest control.
@@edithdlp8045 thank you, for letting everyone do their thing
Their manure is magic
The most beautiful thing in nature is mutualism - that is what you guys are practicing there 💕
I will translate this video into Turkish. I'm starting now.
Thank you
Yes friend! Well done for making this video more accessible ✨
That's super nice! But I've heard that RUclips has stopped the feature where viewers can subtitle videos from RUclips creators... Probably you should check that out before starting! But you can also send Ed the translation by email... It's also an idea ahah. Good luck and thank you for the contribution :)
@@marleneantunes3293 Yes, I know that. I've translated many videos of Ed before. RUclips is going to stop community contributions after September 28. I think, I should get in contact with Ed to translate his videos into Turkish in some way.
Harikasin
An animal’s right to live is not predicated on the use we can get out of them. 👏🏽
@Esmae Dolman you can do whatever you want, doesn't make it morally ok.
To each their own, I’m just quoting the video. And I agree with Earthling Ed’s take.
@David McCarthy we are also animals
@David McCarthy yes
@David McCarthy I would destroy u in a debate dont bother
I went vegan 8 weeks ago and this is actually a question I asked myself so this was of great use for me. I feel great about my decision to go vegan the more I discover things like this
Vegans are against farming eggs no matter how moral or ethical it is and they would deem it as commodification but what about other similar problems like forced male circumcision done without any medical reasoning. Most people do it for cosmetic purposes and never medical reasons (such as cancer) and its easier to clean the prepuce and avoid getting diseases in the first place. People would circumcise so they could profit the prepuce for other things like beauty and other products. And what’s the difference between circumcising a non consenting male infant compared to performing castration on livestock (cutting tails, tagging) both are done without anesthesia
Hope you quit that stupid diet by now. Vegan is a great way to slowly deplete your body of essential nutrients
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@AIuzky Did you watch the video? Other than extremely specific cases, your beloved pet chicken came from a hatchery where the male chicks are put onto conveyors and smashed into pieces because they are not of economic value, on the first day of their lives. And they are also selectively bred in ways that make their lives plagued with poor health.
Your whole argument hinges on the idea that people only have hens for egg production, rather than keeping them as pets who also produce eggs.
Exactly! Lots of people have them as beloved pets 🤷🏻♀️
I think he was speaking about people who sell their hen's eggs, not people who keep rescue hens as pets.
@@happyunicorns3761 we only sell our eggs because they lay way more than we could ever hope to eat.
@@SallijaBule We love our hens and one rooster. :)
@@k-Gonzo exactly hahaha people don't realize just how much eggs they produce
This is always something I get asked and I never really know how to answer. Thank you for this
same
@David McCarthy and probably you talk confidently about your diet because hurr durr my diet is better than yours, so what's the point on what what you said?
so instead of critically thinking up your own answer, you'll substitute his
@Stoney McStone No, her comment essentially admitted that she doesn't know why she doesn't eat them, but still holds a firm moral stance against eating them, nothing to do with ability to handle herself in a debate.
Is it a she? Hard to make out.
My diet is 99% plant-based, and I have two lovely pet chickens. Both are breeds I specifically chose because they lay fewer eggs than "industrial" breeds, and I got them as pets, so I wanted to avoid as many egg-related health issues as I could. They have a large area to roam that is entirely safe from predators, they have fresh water and nutritious food, and the roosts where they sleep are padded with carpet for the utmost comfort for their little feeties. They get (very expensive, yikes) vet care from a great avian vet in my area who treats them as pets, not livestock. Unfortunately, the hormone implant (called suprelorin) that prevents hens from laying is not available in the US. Its use in poultry was outlawed by the FDA, so vets can no longer legally prescribe it here. If I had access to it, my girls would absolutely have the implants.
Neither of them has ever gone broody. They just go in the box, rearrange the straw a little bit, lay their egg, and then leave it. They have no interest or reaction if you show them an egg - they don't seem to have a concept that it's their own egg. I do feed many of their eggs back to them - they prefer them scrambled, but they'll eat them raw as well if I break them. They've never willingly broken an egg to eat it though - they don't seem to see it as a food source unless I present it to them as food. I've definitely heard of chickens that will break and eat their own eggs, but it's also not a super common behavior. Also, assuming they're being fed a nutritionally complete formulated diet, feeding them all of their eggs can actually cause health problems like fatty liver disease, which can lead to sudden death. So eggs are best viewed as a treat rather than a staple for them.
Therefore, I do eat some of their eggs, and I think that's perfectly ethical. And I tell them thank you very lovingly many times whenever I get an egg from the nest box, and I gently pet them, and they just ignore me and keep munching grass lol.
same over here, I honestly do not believe that eating the eggs are truely natural for them feeding a balanced diet is the most important part
Thanks for writing this! I am 99% plant based as well. I just bought a big plot of land and I plan to rescue or have some hens of my own as pets but will not shy away from eating an egg or two if the hens will allow me too. I hope I can feed some back to them and figure out just how they enjoy their eggs :D! and of course give them all the love they want!
You all three missed the point of the video entirely, good job👍 /s
@@kalaveet2857 oh look another vegan who thinks any effort short of full veganism to reduce harm is invalid. Literally pushing away any reasonable person who may be thinking of becoming a vegan. You aren't better than other people
@@queentargaryen9389 I do not care about non vegans criticizing my activism. Keep crying about it
I submitted Portuguese subtitles! Please accept them. Love your work and activism.
Well done!
Que bom. Ele já aceitou? Eu adoraria compartilhar a versão em Português. Obrigada.
@@rox_ribeiro Aceitou sim. Só ativar as legendas em portugues
Great vid. I am vegan and would not eat any eggs but I think it is important to mention that many backyard chickens are not bred to lay 300 eggs, but with variation around 150. It is just important to give full disclosure.
@@chrisgartenn It doesn't spread lies, it just doesn't apply to all breeds of chicken. 150 eggs per year is also a huge stress on the body an the very definition of unethical.
we should make you lay 300 eggs a year to see how it feels
@henry t I don't understand your argument. This was a point made that the information in the video is not fully accurate.
Vegans are against farming eggs no matter how moral or ethical it is and they would deem it as commodification but what about other similar problems like forced male circumcision done without any medical reasoning. Most people do it for cosmetic purposes and never medical reasons (such as cancer) and its easier to clean the prepuce and avoid getting diseases in the first place. People would circumcise so they could profit the prepuce for other things like beauty and other products. And what’s the difference between circumcising a non consenting male infant compared to performing castration on livestock (cutting tails, tagging) both are done without anesthesia
Well, my toddler nieces from Cali visited me in Las Vegas for Easter. Their dad thought it would be cute to buy them $1 chicks.
They thought it would be cool to just leave them with my mom and I..like 4 whole damn little lives and responsibilities. 🤣
We feed them our vegetable scraps and some grains. It’s good to know I was right to feed back their eggs, I gave it to them hard boiled. At first 4 eggs every single day was SO overwhelming.
Now they lay an egg just once in a while. They also never incubate it. I’ve seen them step on it carelessly breaking it and not even eat it haha.
So now the occasional eggs I get I feed to my big and small dog including the shell crushed for calcium. I’m relieved I no longer have a surplus of eggs and can just provide them an easy life in my backyard lol
@Anonny Moose
Read again, she didn't buy the chicks, the nieces' father did. She was only left with them and then took care.
But basically you're right, of course.
They now lat eggs every now and then?? Maybe you dont Fred them enough?
Sorry to say but their dad seems like a piece of work.
@@joannot6706 no he doesnt he just isn't educated on this subject
@@Luthers_Mutter did you watch the video? It’s natural for chickens to stop laying eggs at some point.
Mmm idk about this one. I think you are giving really selective info. I’m vegan and don’t even like eggs but I’m Native American and Latina and I have family that have pet chickens. They rarely use their eggs and take care of their chickens very well. The chickens (that I’ve seen so far) don’t like their eggs. If the eggs are not picked up rats and other vermin are attracted. I feel like if y’all are going this far with the what ifs in backyard hens why not go that far with cellphones, tech gadgets and exploitation of humans? I mean might as well right? If we are going this hypothetical with backyard hens.
I understand they are not commodities but if you got a pet chicken, you treat it well, you take it to the vet for check ups and whatnot and take their eggs that they leave around the property I truly don’t see how that’s wrong.
Like I said if we are going this hypothetical on backyard hens might as well do that as a vegan with all other things.
I fully agree with you, I feel like a lot of arguments in this video are very forced, quite disappointed in it honestly.
I can see where you're coming from on this, but I don't think that your argument and that of the video are really at odds. The real message I get from both is that all living beings should be treated with respect, and TBH as an anarcho-socialist, I do take it that far with other animals, including humans. It's unethical to view a chicken's value through the lens of exploiting them for maximum value, and it's equally unethical to do so to humans, or cows, or fish, or anything else, really. I know most people don't really see it that way, so that's just my two cents on the matter. I don't really think this video is about people like your family. They sound like they're doing a good job caring for their chickens, and if they call them pets it seems unlikely (to me, an outside observer with next to no information) like they don't view them as exploitable commodities, which is what this video's really about, I think.
You are right. Just as you said, if you are going to be so picky with your "ifs", you SHOULD go as far with lots of vegan products (or normal tech products) that come from countries on the other side of the world, where they exploit their workers (almost like farm animals), destroy the land and even contaminate quite a lot on the shipping to your country. If you dont want to eat eggs dont eat them, but the argument in this video is not that good.
i think many vegans are aware of other problems and try to minimize. also with cellphones and tech gadgets.
there is so much you can do to make the world a better place for humans and non-humans :)
i think this video is just an input on how we see animals and we should ask ourselves why we own backyard hens in the first place. the comparison with the lactating dog was very powerful to me - i would never do this to a dog, it would feel wrong.
what are your thoughts on the dog-comparison?
@@theowild2524 People absolutely do consider their backyard chickens as pets. Unless you are against people have pets at all (which some vegans are). We keep pets like dogs either as working animals or as companion animals, which is still viewing them as a resource, even as emotional gratification. It really doesn't negatively affect them to use the eggs when they continually lay regardless of any outside factor. It's really not that big a deal when they leave their eggs unattended or to feed them back their eggs and or oystershell. Of course if you are not willing to ensure welfare standards ensuring they do not become mineral deficient then you shouldn't have them. I think we need to return to homesteading rather than factoring farming. YOu are far more likely to get people to farm more ethically than stop consuming animal products at all. If we did, millions of livestock animals would be abandoned or culled en masse because at the end of the day farms aren't going to be able to keep thousands of animals that they cannot make money from, which is an unfortunate but unavoidable way of looking at things.
I have a few backyard (only occasionally indoor if my husband asks🤫) hens as pets. I honestly can't stand eggs. They gross me out. I just love the birds. I feel so bad for birds that get abused for eggs and meat. This is an amazing video. I don't see why we can't just love the birds for being feathered goofy companions.
I mean, i love them for exactly that, but the eggs pop out of them regardless. They will never eat as many eggs as they lay and leaving them in there to rot might not be the best idea. Then what? Throw them away? With out food waste culture? Hell, no. I think in this case, for me personally, the morally right choice...is to use the eggs.
(And yes, I know thats not vegan :D)
@@-postapokalypso-7289 oh I get that the eggs need to be used. Especially since most chickens don't lay on them regularly or without a rooster. I donate the eggs to people who do eat them. It keeps them away from mass produced eggs that are full of abuse and neglect. We can't change what's been done already. I just believe it needs to quit being changed. The birds already lay enough for everyone. They don't need to be pushed further. I just hate seeing them being bred still to lay even more! Just love the bird as is. Ya know?
@liviC Yes I totally agree, ive seen those poor hens suffer from the amount of eggs they have to lay. Older breeds lay about 180 eggs per year and I think thats already a lot. Yess its a good idea to give others those eggs, I love to show my chickens too and make people aware what kind of beings they are.
@@-postapokalypso-7289 I show mine too! And my daughter just started getting into showing them as well. She doesn't like eggs either. We are just the crazy bird people lol. They're smart as heck too. I have one hen that I think was just greatful to be rescued (she was in a home with poor nutrition and spacing needs) and follows me. And answers to her name. She's so sweet. 😻
@@HannaYeen9798 I believe donating eggs is an awesome job. I am vegan and I live in Los Angeles California in an apartment. If I had space I would have a couple of chickens as pets. My grandmother lived in the country and had several chicks. She would not eat them because she already named them and were her pets. They would die of old age. She would cry. I would also donate the eggs as well to help the abused chicken.
If anybody asks me that question again, now I can just send them this video 🐔
Chris Garten What isn‘t true about this? We had chickens for years and all of this is factual.
1. we only bought females
2. we killed them once they stopped laying eggs
3. once they found out they could eat their own eggs, it was a problem that had to be solved by replacing them through a new hen.
You talk about propaganda. All animal industries spread propaganda about happy animals and humane slaughter, free range and gras fed. That’s the real propaganda.
But my question I want to ask vegan is if we don't eat livestock what should we do with them?
Freeing them is out of question because they don't belong in nature, they were created by men through selective breading. So they would be detrimental to the habitat they are freed in because they have no place there and/or die because they are unfit for survival (ex. Wild turkey are able to fly while domestic turkey can barely jump).
So if obviously killing them is out of question, what should we do with the BILLIONS of farm animals there are in the world?
Sterilize them and wait for all the the human made breeds to eventually die off? I don't know, sounds kinda cruel to me and also sounds like an awful lot of work nobody will ever pay for.
No vegan that I asked so far has been able to reply to this question, so please help me I'm trying to wrap my head around this for so long.
@@TomVFormOfficial wow you are incompetent to even take care of hens... hope you dont have children... 1. Why? I always have at least two roosters even if they start fighting each other... 2. Yeah, what else did you expect? 3. You obviously didnt feed them well enough...
@@daniele9209 Ed has explained many times that "global veganism" if it ever exists is a process that will take many years. Its all about supply and demand. Its never going to be from one day to the next. There will be a reduction at the beggining of animal insemination (cows etc) a gradual process if you will.
@@Andrea111116 sorry but this doesn't answer my question, if you could link me the exact video maybe it can help.
I have two rescue backyard hens and in spring and summer they lay an egg every now and then. But if I don’t take them away they will try to incubate them all day and night and won’t even come outside to eat or drink. They will literally sit on their egg untill they die. So I take them away, eat the egg itself and give them back the shells. If I’m not vegan because of that then so be it.
No youre not vegan
That's okay. It doesn't make you in any way a bad person, heck, you're a wholesome person. Nothing wrong with it. Keep the positive vibes with animals.
Kamilė Vasaravičiūtė 🙄🙄🙄
That’s why labels are stupid, you are an amazing person
@@AlexHackerification my cousins have hens to eat there eggs but don't worry they check if there fertil eggs
So the ones that are are put back and ones that aren't are saved to be eaten
Let us not forget that the commercial egg industry exists because we started with backyard eggs
As a backyard chicken owner I love this video! My chickens are my pets (I don’t even like eggs so I only remove the eggs if my chooks don’t want to eat/incubate them). They’re my babies, hens and Roos alike! I hate that not all birds are treated as well as mine, and one goal of mine is to have a rooster rescue :D
Not all of my hens like to eat eggs (raw, scrambled, boiled, fried, mixed with other treats...they’re just not fans). So, I make sure to give these particular hens extra calcium, protein, etc so they have enough nutrients.
I give every bird of mine a physical check-up two to five times per week, as well as trips to the vet as needed. I’ve successfully healed my birds from bumblefoot, sprains, cuts, and being egg bound.
My ladies and gentlemen are healthy, happy, and loved. They have an excellent flock dynamic and are safe from predators. I only wish the same for every other chicken on the planet 💚
What do you do with the eggs?
An animal is not a resource or property, they are individuals that have an interest to live and avoid pain just like us.
🍗🍖🥩🌭🍔🥓, do you want some?
@@jarifchowdhury8349 no, thank you.
i think it's weird we consider any living things our property including our children, but if we didn't. those children would end up monsters, or shot dead by the police. like it or not we depend on these animals for our food. just like we depend on our children and pray the take care of us when were old. if we didn't manage the animals or our impact on the enviornment there would be significant human suffering as a result. the reason we hunt deer, and raise chickens ironically protect the enviornment more, although we could certainly eat less. that would be the simplest thing to do.
It’s fine to eat the eggs though unless they are fertilized
I’m 13 when I was 8 my dad told me that “cage free” eggs I ate it because I dident know. Then I actually put in some research on why my mom maid me vegan. I now understand it all. Vegan for life!🌱🌱❤️👍🏻
Wish my parents were vegan, but they say that they like meat too much to care about the cruelty. They even watched the earthlings documentary
@@ryanhall8770 my mom turned vegan about 6 years ago and the rest of the family slowly followed. I only went fully vegan earlier this year, only thing that held me back was sometimes I'd have meat on my cheat days and it took a while to come around on vegan cheese.
I kinda wish I was raised vegan too
@@ryanhall8770 "Animal cruelty" is a trendy phrase invented by vegans in order to grant them humanity, because they believe animals are individuals. There's no such thing as animal cruelty
Kenvis Vielgern let me ask you something.
Can animals feel pain?
Do we hurt them?
If so, then it’s cruel. They don’t have the same mental capacity as human beings do but they can still feel things.
@@kenvisvielgern4436 "There's no such thing as animal cruelty" that's only partially true (for the most part) when it comes to non human animal relating to each other, but we are indivuduals capable of moral reflection, and therefore capable of cruelty towards non-human animals. Other thing is to consider any form of animal exploitation cruel in itself, which is something I don't agree with.
I really appreciate your "why vegans dont" videos. They've changed my mind about a few things especially this one
Vegans are against farming eggs no matter how moral or ethical it is and they would deem it as commodification but what about other similar problems like forced male circumcision done without any medical reasoning. Most people do it for cosmetic purposes and never medical reasons (such as cancer) and its easier to clean the prepuce and avoid getting diseases in the first place. People would circumcise so they could profit the prepuce for other things like beauty and other products. And what’s the difference between circumcising a non consenting male infant compared to performing castration on livestock (cutting tails, tagging) both are done without anesthesia
Its a topic i was unsure about, so thanks for bringing up some arguments i havent thought of yet
OMG the number of times this question was brought up to me during an outreach! THANK YOU
This isn't a good argument. Chickens eat egg shells for lack of nutrition, so you'd just eat the inside and feed them back the shell.
@@chrisgartenn Backyard chickens have better lives than some people - except no people get beheaded once they're no longer in the workforce.
Chris Garten I'm sorry for assuming you're not a part of 99.999% of population that doesn't keep rescued backyard chickens. Nonetheless, the kind and compassionate thing to do for those chickens is to either give them an implant preventing ovulation or to crack the eggs for them, so that they could eat it and make up for calcium depletion.
Chris Garten who said we want to sterilize humans? woot
Here we go. Someone is comparing a human life with a chicken. 😂
I love your videos and EVERYTHING you do so much u don't even know. Idk where i'd be without you and a lot of other people probably feel that way too. THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART! ❤
this video needs to be shared now more than ever
As a person who has backyard chickens, it find it disgusting that someone would kill their chicken for not laying eggs or eating their own eggs! I love my chickens with all my heart, and the fact that people might call them a recourse? It makes me upset.
Where do you get the hens from ? What happens to them when their production goes down?
My ladies are pets. I’m only allowed to keep hens in my community (because of crowing).I have pet silkies and they lay a comparatively small number of eggs per year. Their eggs are also pretty small so they typically are kept more as pets or, in a farm setting, because they are good mothers to baby chicks. Because they are frequently kept as pets, I was able to get them from someone who keeps all their male birds rather than killing them. I feed egg yokes in some cases, but I don’t really think it’s healthy for them to eat large quantities of egg. It seems similar to feeding an adult mammal large quantities of milk and expecting it to sustain them. My chickens appear to agree since they usually will not finish any egg yoke that I try to give them and I have to collect it in a few hours to keep it from going bad. In other videos, Ed recommends leaving all eggs in the coop and, per the comments of that video, that has resulted in a number of chicken deaths since eggs were left to rot attracting predators. He’s not an expert, so take his recommendations with extreme caution. Some of the problems that he presents as typical are more a sign of poor care. Chickens do need good calcium sources like oyster shell and protein from insects. Depending on the caretakers perspective, there may be a lack of willingness to provide for these needs and I’m not entirely sure it that contributes to some of the health problems that he has observed in rescue chickens. I don’t think it’s a good idea to try to encourage your hen to go broody (not that you can really control that) since the hen will deny themself food and water to sit on an unfertilized egg that is rotting under them.
Every point you made was correct. I'm vegan but have been breeding chickens for as long as I can remember. I'm so tired of seeing vegans complain and deny backyard eggs. You can choose not to consume them yourself, but if the hens are being kept responsibly then there is absolutely no harm in eating their eggs.
SiIentMeIodies Yeah... the title of this video really bugs me because it’s basically saying “if you eat this you’re not REALLY a vegan according to me, the vegan police”
Excellent comment, thank you. I have wanted to have backyard hens for a while now and this answers a few questions.
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Hey! So I've been vegan for like 5 years and vegetarian since 7 yo. We've had chickens (only hens, other than our old rooster who was a bit intellectually disabled) my whole life, they are free ranged, all named, and they live a long ass good life (some are even 13 yo!). I don't eat their eggs solely because I don't have the desire too, but otherwise I couldn't see anything wrong with eating the eggs from them, but I would love to hear other's perspectives. Thanks x
@Jonah Whale It's going well here farming without non-human manure. We do use humanure though of course, and composting, companion plants for chop and drop or to deter insects, EM, biochar, fermented urine, menstrual blood.
@Juba Do you think that farmer want to hurt their animals? I love how vegans find a horrible case that its not the typical practice and say that ALL are like that. It is so retarded. If a black person commits a crime means all will commit? Thats what you are basically saying about farmers.
@Juba You must be a city person. Profits?! Don't make me laugh. Like farmer's profit anything. Most of the time it's a work of love and they almost don't make enough to survive.
@Juba You should be ashamed to compare animal farming with slavery.
It's not the same. Does not matter what you say.
Animals are not racional like us.
You and people like you is what makes the comum people hate vegans.
So sad
@@Tranksdofuturo "it's not the same" "animals are not *rational* like us" you must be new here
I LOVE your perspective Ed. Thank you so much for your content. It’s truly life changing
So well put together.
Amazing videos, Ed & Team!
I respect anyone's decision but here's my opinion on this matter, we have been raising chicken just because my family have this hobby for many many years as long as I remember, we don't really consume their meat.. but every now and then we do collect some of their eggs.. I do not see that as cruel or inhuman as they have a lot room to live their life and be happy, and the eggs we take usually are the ones they lose interest in because hens would not let you touch the eggs that they want to lay on (natural behavior that is explained in the video) and we don't force it. In the end I'd say its about where you live, what you have around you and what are your circumstances... again respect to anyone who is vegan or whatever choices you make, I'm not vegan but I can say I have not purchased a box of eggs in a very long time.
THANK YOU. As a chicken enthusiast, this video confuses me. I like to watch them to get another perspective but this..... no. I've collected eggs before, and hens have let me (lemme tell you that when a hen doesn't want you to take her eggs, YOU WILL KNOW). Also they have no real purpose for unfertilized eggs unless they want to eat them, but I've found (forgotten) rotten eggs in a coop before which isn't sanitary or good for the chickens.
@Indigo Blue You missed the point where "a couple eggs" are all the eggs that a normal hen would normally lay in a whole year. Laying several times a week is not natural, it's a result of selective breeding and it has consequences that cause them to suffer. Watch again.
@Indigo Blue Normal doesn't equal right
Their secretions don’t belong to you...
Aware and emphatic person simply can not enjoy fruit made out of pain and exploitation. That kind
of person
despises it, leaves it rot if necessary. That simple. Id say eat it if you are starving or something. But this isnt allways the main principle for being vegan i guess, sadly tho.
My sister has fur allergies so we got chickens instead as pets cuz like why not. We got them from a local ranch from when they were little. We did eat the eggs they raid but never took them away when they were broody. So I feel, as long as the backyard chickens are happy, healthy and satisfied it’s ok to eat their eggs. You can’t stop them from laying anything, but you can stop buying from commercial egg companies that don’t treat the birds right.
In the video he does say that there are ways to get them to stop laying eggs. Because it’s very taxing on their bodies to lay so many. Since we’ve bred them to lay an unnatural amount. Or he says it’s better to just feed the eggs back to them to replenish their nutrients
I’m happy at the fact that you guys are giving the chicks a good life but that still doesn’t change the fact that eggs are extremely unhealthy for humans to consume.
@@jennak.8541 Unhealthy ≠ immoral though.
@@jennak.8541 eggs extremely unhealthy ? you got me confused here eating too many eggs is unhealthy but eating a moderated amount is super healthy as an athlete i have done quite the research on what i eat all the studies say that consuming eggs while being an athlete is really healthy .
@@jennak.8541 literature pls
I love your clarity, Ed! 💚
Can't argue with your points, succinctly put, well done.
A very underrated topic, thank you for putting this out there!
I learned a lot about chickens doing a WWOOF on an organic farm in Hawaii. The little bastards were everywhere. Drive to the grocery store, gotta avoid em running around the parking lot. The farm had chickens, although they just sort of symbiotically existed there. The farmer never bought them, adopted them, or ever made an attempt to domesticate them. They just kinda were always there.
One thing I NEVER saw, not once, was a chicken eating its own egg. I'm not sure if it's a species thing, but those chickens didn't seem to have any instinct for that. And they were very hungry, all the time. The farmer never fed them, as there was generally plenty of food for all manner of wild life all year round. But it was obvious they were pretty ravenous most of the time, yet I never once saw them eating an egg.
Once in a while they'd freak out if you got too close to a roosting hen, but most of the time they would lay an egg and just leave. My GF would often go around picking up stray eggs, clearly abandoned, lying right on the ground totally unsheltered (they are magnets for rats and mongoose, huge problems there) Weird creatures overall. I left with the impression that backyard eggs can be totally ethical if done right.
I have 65 chickens, and they are a vital part of our gardening. If we didn't have the chickens we would have to use pesticides. The eggs we get are a bonus.
to my understanding, they don't NEED to eat their eggs, but they will do that when other sources of calcium are unavailable. don't quote me though, idk. plus, what they eat is the shell. do you eat the shell? no? me neither. I've been vegan for 6ish years now, but when I was a kid my family had some backyard chickens. they were pets, but we ate their eggs. sometimes we saved the shells for the chickens, but they seemed pretty uninterested. they had plenty of nutritional food and a supplement for calcium however.
Vegans are against farming eggs no matter how moral or ethical it is and they would deem it as commodification but what about other similar problems like forced male circumcision done without any medical reasoning. Most people do it for cosmetic purposes and never medical reasons (such as cancer) and its easier to clean the prepuce and avoid getting diseases in the first place. People would circumcise so they could profit the prepuce for other things like beauty and other products. And what’s the difference between circumcising a non consenting male infant compared to performing castration on livestock (cutting tails, tagging) both are done without anesthesia
Very well said! Thank you for making this series, Ed. It is a great resource and I am proud to share every video in the series.
Thank you for coming into your role as an educator. You provide so much value.
Thank you I was recently discussing this with a friend
You brought up a lot of things I hadn't thought of, thank you!
Yes, cognitive dissidents is fostered for profit.
Thank you so much for this ressource!
This was very enlightening, thank you!!!
i'm protecting my chickens from predators and i take care of them. Even if they don't give me eggs i still take care of them and i won't kill them. What's wrong with that ? I don't get it.
Perhaps watch the video.
If youre not keeping them so you can take their eggs, then nothing is wrong with it :)
Nothing is wrong with it, it is said in the video.
Nothing. I do the same and they're happy and not slaughetered even if they don't produce much after years. They're treated as any pets.
We never forced them to produce eggs. They do by their own.
I think too many people got so disgusted about industries and humans's behavior that they think it's impossible to care and share love without forcing nor exploiting.
If you bought them from a breeder or hatchery, they most likely killed the male chicks because no one wants to buy them. Also, if they are laying 300 eggs a year, they are prone to egg-binding, cloacal prolapse, and all the other ailments that were listed in the video, so if you truly care about their wellbeing you should look into giving them a birth control implant so that they don't lay such an unnaturally high number of eggs anymore which puts strain on their bodies.
This series has been extremely helpful for me as I make my journey to veganism. Thank you so much. If you haven't already, can you make one on oysters / mollusks?
this video was needed !! Thank you Ed
another great video. thanks so much. i’m learning a lot
I never understood why vegans don't eat the eggs of their backyard hens. I was planning to get hens in the future to eat eggs again but now I understand why I won't eat their eggs. Thank you!
Chris Garten where are the males?
@@chrisgartenn man i cant believe how easy it is to spread lies... and the best part is people believe it simply because they have spent their entire lifes either in a city or in front of a tv/pc they dont know anymore how this world functions... you could tell them anything and out of lack of experience they will believe it... this is total propaganda...
If you want to have chickens, just make sure you don't feed the industry by buying them. Rescue them from sanctuaries or rescues
@Ian Lev you are the one in a cult. I left one. You probably don't know most of what goes on in this industry. But I have the feeling that even if you did, you're just too much of a crappy person. How hard is it to be kind to all?
just feed them some of their eggs and keep them after theyre done laying, thats what I do
Red jungle fowl can produce 250 eggs a year laying a egg every day during summer and spring if there's enough food.
Most of those eggs will be eaten by predators with only 1 or 2 chicks making it to adult hold due to everything eating them.
These are so well produced and thought out, love what you guys are doing
Thank you so much for this video. I needed to see this.
I've been thinking this video over, and what sprung to my mind, is that if vegans see taking eggs from backyard hens as morally unjustifiable (even if, say, they're well kept), then they should also be mindful of the products which might be violating human rights. I think that if you know that the eggs you bought come from healthy, well-treated hens, then it is not that you exploit these animals, it's more like they must give their products to their owners, but in exchange, they get shelter and good-quality food. If you contrast this with the living conditions of workers in some developing countries, then the life of hens seems almost like a luxury. It is great if one aims to live an ethical life with regard for every living being on the planet, but they shouldn't look only at animals. There are many products, by the consumption of which we fuel industries much more ruthless and harmful than somebody who keeps hens for their eggs in the backyard. It is important for humanity to move towards veganism, but it is much more important to reduce consumption in general and make more ethical consumer choices on every occasion.
Vegans are for the animals. Humans are animals too. I’m not sure how or why being for animal rights is seen as not being for human rights? This is not the case. But it’s certainly not a human’s right to exploit another animal.
@@zenstrain5052 I didn't mean to suggest that vegans might be hypocritic. Just that sometimes we can raise our awareness and reduce our footprint more than we think we can. And we should.
One fight does not exclude the other.
Honestly, i think that before we try to fix the animal world we must fix our world. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that we shouldn't help animals by going vegan but how do you expect to help the lives of animals when we can't help ourselves.
@@marcusrivera1510 I agree, we do need to repair our world and one way of moving towards that, and possibly one of the most important, is to stop animal agriculture. That is why we need to support animal welfare. All life as we know it is able to exist due to a symbiotic relationship that is balanced and maintained between plants, animals, humans etc. We can't fix one without fixing the other. This is an equation that needs to be considered and tackled from every angle and that includes fixing the current way in which we treat and farm animals. So by helping animals, we help the planet as a whole. I think we are helping ourselves when we start helping others. :)
Just signed up for Veganuary!!! 🥳I have been a vegetarian for a while now and your channal showed me what happens in the dairy and egg industry is horrific. It really helped me make that step to veganisum. Thank you so much for what you do😘!(Just subscribed by the way!!!)
I just did too!♥️
@@Myeolxmang Sweeet!🥳👍😜
Congratulations! I was researching vegetarianism around March, 2018 when I found out the cruelty that exists in the eggs and dairy industries and went vegan cold turkey.
@@allee3476 That's amazing!!! The thing I'm struggling with the most isn't what I eat... It's my family's disapproval. They are constantly saying rude things to me. How do vegans put up with this everyday?
Bella Bunny Wow, so sorry that your family isn’t supportive. I am kinda lucky that my omnivore fiancé is very supportive, I only wish she would join but she’s so set in her ways.
After I switched to a whole plant based foods lifestyle for animals and environment, I also experienced a tremendous improvement in my health as I lost forty five pounds, got off blood pressure medication, blood glucose level lowered, cholesterol levels are down and within the normal range. Perhaps if you have room for improvement, and could switch to a wholesome plant based lifestyle instead of processed vegan food, you could show them the improvement in your health. Best of luck!
This question gets asked so much. Thanks for making such a great, informative video
Together with the honey episode.. So informative and such a good one to take with me when having another discussion. Thank you Ed!
I keep my 6 chickens as pets who are given attention and affection all the time they all have names and personalities, my chickens aren’t regular hens they are a mixture of silkies and various bantams, non of my chickens lay anymore than 100 eggs a year mostly less that 40 however. I’ve had no health issues with them and they have a variety of different health foods, they also have a predator free o.5 acres of land to graze and play on and a huge coop to sleep and feel safe in. I don’t eat all of my chickens eggs and I do sometimes feed the eggs and shells back to them but what is wrong with me eating some of the eggs? I don’t keep them for the eggs and if they didn’t lay eggs I’d still care and love them the same. So why can’t I eat the eggs?
The chikens out here in the boonies dont have fences, no real enclosures, people just provide a safe place, maybe a dog in the front yard that also isn't fenced in. The relationship is more mutual, even if its less safe for the animal.
@rambunctiousvegetable I work at a family friend’s farm and they have backyard hens. They don’t “forcefully” steal the eggs. After a while of sitting on their eggs the girls leave them alone. They don’t care that much after honestly a short period of time
Such needed information! Thank you Ed!
What a well constructed video. Great job Ed. You provided lots of valuable insights.
Hi! I am a keeper of 7 backyard chickens an 4 backyard ducks. This video is leading most viewers to believe that the listed illnesses are always fatal. However, I’ve treated a couple cases of EYP and Egg Binding each causes by things unrelated to high-production. Egg Binding is found in ALL birds that lay eggs, but it is true that it is most common in *high production* chickens.
Not all breeds were bred to lay 300 eggs every year. Just those used for commercial egg laying. Breeds that I have lay as little as 100 eggs every year.
his arguments are one sided . he's not neutral he does everything he can to make people like veganism and to them pity the animals .i still believe consuming animal products is crucial for your health specially in your development phase . there are humans that only consume what they hunt and what they gather and science have proved that their digestive system is one of the most robust and one of the durable digestive system ever (the hadza tribe) . so basically most vegans are just too sentimental about animals cause they don't have real probles in life so they made a problem so they can focus on that . if they truly went vegan because they didnt want animals to suffer then they should also stop using technology (humans are exploited in making electronics and we all know that ) and buying jewelry (kids in africa are exploited to mine and alot of them are dying while doing that) because humans are also animals suffering to make these things so these people can live their luxurious lives without war without any real problems . instead of fighting the real source of emissions they fight something humans have been doing for our all existence .
@@deusdeusasmodeusthe point of being vegan is to see animals as sentient beings who doesn't deserve to die for us. We aren't being oversensitive, our moral is animals are with us and not for us.
We try to eliminate as many animal products from our life, meat, honey, egg, milk, leather, wool etc.. but there are things that cannot right now be replaced like you said technologies often having animal products in them.
It's about trying to take as little lives as possible, it's not possible technically to live a life where you aren't an issue for animals at least not yet
Generally, I'm inclined to agree with most messages your content provides. This one I find a bit troublesome. I agree with several points, but some things I don't feel make sense. I get the sense that what you are alluding to is that there should not be any domesticated animals in existence. All animals that fall into the realm of "domesticated" have at some point served a "purpose" for us.
Dogs (historically and even in modern times) were security, status symbols, hunting tools, and sometimes during lean times they also served as food. Cats help get rid of pest, showed status and held religious value, and also served as food. And the list goes on for them and other domesticated animals. If we follow the trend for all domestic animals, then in all likelihood it seems they will slowly have the door opened to become "pets". Opening a bridge of sorts to really understand them and ourselves. And, all pets also still serve a "purpose". Whether it's a service animal helping disabled people or simply a loving cat that keeps grandma company and provides love and companionship.
I've come to believe that humans are by our own nature and our own purpose changers/manipulators of nature. Sadly, because of things like religion, politics, and greed, we abuse our great abilities. And furthermore, with the apathy and ignorance of the masses, we progress towards the good within ourselves at an ever-slowing pace. I think you can still allow an animal to experience their "purpose" without taking away from their ability to contribute to people. It's just that people need to develop ways to take only what we need and contribute back what we take. I would hate to see our world be stripped of some of the wonderful domesticated animals that are in it's creation, even if humans were the main facilitators of their existence. I apologize if this is rambly and incoherent. In short, I just think we can still love our chickens and their eggs as long as we take great care to acknowledge and act positively towards their needs and their health. They are our responsibility, and what we do to and for them is a direct reflection of humanity.
Exactly, like you can have cows on a farm to help add nutrients to soil but don't send them off the be killed to make a quick buck. Have hens in your garden and let them chill and enjoy their company but leave their periods alone. We need more people to see animals as animals and not biological vending machines
I totally agree! Especially with the point made with other animals: when we adopt an animal, we hope that it will bring us comfort and company ie we WANT something in return. What about service dogs for the blind for example? Same thing. It's about the way we care for the animals, it's about treating them with respect: owning animals is a mutual comittment (or that's the way I see it): the most healthy way is if both parties get something positive from each other's company.
Hmmm how do we account for their exhausting over production of eggs? We would have to keep them and select for birds who have less menstruation cycles to correct... or you'd find and keep wild chickens for a pupose of repopulating them? That's wrong.. so.. what to do. That much menstruation is agony.
James Ratcliff exactly what I’m thinking.
@@SkySweetie No, you do not have to do those things. Raising backyard chickens and intensive factory farming are two very very different things and I'd be happy to see the latter eradicated. W waste so much foo das it is honestly we don't need this gross overproduction of eggs. In my grandparent's country they literally do have wild junglefowl that just turn up and decide to chill because they get fed and protected from predators. They just leave their eggs all over the damn place and if they aren't being sat on we'll take them.
This was super informative, I had never consider some of these points! Thank you
Thanks for your great work. I really needed to see this video. 🙏 It helped me to close some gaps in my thinking that I still had on this topic.
To me being vegan means one thing, I treat all sentient beings the same way I want to be treated. I haven't eaten an egg in more than 10 years and I have no desire what so ever to ever eat one. Thank you Ed for all the precious information you share with us. It is priceless.
Pat M exactly that and until you become vegan your still a fool fooling yourself but the ones I find bonkers are vets that eat meat
@@owar7105 I always wonder about vets myself. They are supposed to care and save animals.
@@owar7105 I mean vets are also the ones who inseminate animals that continues their breeding and suffering.. :(
Im going to use the first sentence in my next instagram photo caption thanks!!!
@David McCarthy we are animals just like the others, just with one extra quality - we have the choice how we treat others. we are not starved mountain lions, we built societies and the choice to build a factory farm or tend a garden next belong to us, not wolfs, not badgers, not gorrilas.
My mother (not vegan) treats her hens like family members that give her great gifts everyday. They are fed the best food she can find on the wide internet, given calcium from the egg shells and supplements and she studied chickens religiously before taking them in.
I see the arguments, that she bought them from breeders that treat the most beautiful chickens like property to sell them, or that she doesn't have a cock and thus most probably had male chicks die for her hens, that she eats the eggs when they're not being treated by the vet, but I would never want to villainize her in any way for this. They are what she pours her heart into. The chickens can well be included in the top 5 list of the most important parts of her life, she does all she can for them (vets, supplements, special food, a lot of room, shelter, attention, provided for with her knowledge about possible common diseases, petting to those who want it etc.) and the hens really do seem love her, too. They all have names, will never be killed for any reason besides grave suffering when there can be nothing else done, and she wants them to live their best lives. I'd call that rather symbiotic (now hat they've been bred into existence, the time before that is another question. It should be added that most of them are not of the extreme breeding races, although they definitely lay more than biology would like).
I understand your view, but this time I don't share it. This feels to much like cutting all ties to the animal kingdom completely.
What u mean by cutting all ties with the animal kingdom
You're just trying to justify your mother's immoral actions. Chickens are wild animals
@@bobgreen486 chickens have been domesticated for thousands of years, if you let every chicken free into the wild they would all be killed by predators
Vegans are against farming eggs no matter how moral or ethical it is and they would deem it as commodification but what about other similar problems like forced male circumcision done without any medical reasoning. Most people do it for cosmetic purposes and never medical reasons (such as cancer) and its easier to clean the prepuce and avoid getting diseases in the first place. People would circumcise so they could profit the prepuce for other things like beauty and other products. And what’s the difference between circumcising a non consenting male infant compared to performing castration on livestock (cutting tails, tagging) both are done without anesthesia
Thank you for answering another tough question so brilliantly! Keep on inspiring
Amazing! Never even thought about this. Thanks for your very informative and well thought out videos!
Thank you so much for this. I feel like a common misconception about vegans is that we think we know everything and are better than others, but on the contrary I'm constantly opening my mind to new information. I don't know how the concept of giving back to the hens went over my head, but it makes so much sense (animals have naturally sustainable behaviors) and I greatly appreciate the new perspective.
I’m vegan I’ve had backyard chickens for years but they’re family, I have never eaten their eggs.
Good
What happens to the eggs? Do you just throw them out?
Sean Creed did you even watch the video?
@@yupman95 watch the darn video!
I was replying to @butterfingers
Needed this. Thank you 🙏
Thank you for educating me on this topic!
I would love for you to invite people from the internet or "general public" to debate with you on certain topics via stream or something as opposed to the videos you post that have a controlled argument.
YESSSS
I’m so happy this video has came out! As a vegan I’ve been asked this question many times and I didn’t see a problem with it at first - because I didn’t think it would add to the problem.
I love your videos as they’re so educational! Thank you!
Don't go Vegan it a trap
Go Meat it Good 🍖🍗🥩👍🏿
@@Deniz55995 you're not convincing anyone buddy
@@samtheman7860 your not a man only if you eat Meat
@@Deniz55995 that's the most childish thing I've ever heard
@@samtheman7860 you are not a Man Enough to eat meat
Every time you see McDonalds you start crying as a baby
Thanks ed... You really helped me with this video
4:10 Tens of chickens and $tens of thousands of dollars worth of vet bills later and here I am with 18 chickens. Five of them are 9 years old. 7 of them would be dead right now if they hadn't been saved in some way, with 4 of those 7 being saved by the vet. Of the many of my chickens who died from sicknesses, I try to focus on the ones who would have died if they had not been saved one way or another. 1 of the 7 who were saved got flystrike. My parents and I carefully removed the bug larvae and used hydrogen peroxide to flush the wound daily until it had healed. Had we waited a few more hours, and the bug larvae would have probably killed her. With 5 chickens being covered, 2 are left. One of them has visited the vet for non life-threatening conditions, but that one was saved when my parents found a hawk mauling him to death but successfully removed the hawk and saved my rooster's life. The last chicken was one who was accidentally not locked up away with the other chickens and was accidentally left outside. Fortunately, I have an obsession with counting my chickens to the point where I will count them upwards of 10 times to make sure they are all there. I found this chicken outside when it was almost pitch black and luckily he was not left outside.
Way to go! You are a caring, compassionate person. We need more just like you
This video means so so so much to me,
You have no idea. The hens we rescued, are eating their own eggs and I was always wondering why are they doing this. How didn’t this come in my mind earlier, I have no idea
Thanks so much for what you do Ed
Again an amzinf video Ed. Very happy you are going from argument to argument so you can inform, and help us inform people.
Such a great video Ed, thank you 💚💚💚
#1 My grandma had chickens they drop up to 2/day every day.
#2 She didn't kill those who ate their own eggs, she just started to pick up those eggs earlier.
#3 Males kill each other.
They usually won’t, they can hurt each other pretty badly though, and if they’re raised together they usually won’t fight at all
I’ve been vegetarian for a year right now, I stopped eating dairy products 3 months ago and backyard eggs was the only animal product that I was consuming. This video was exactly what I was looking for, I was trying to find out reasons to stop eating eggs, because apparently, hens don’t suffer when you take their eggs, everyone in my social circle thinks that. So thank you very much for your labour, you’re very important to the future of many life things and your impact in the society is necessary to have a real change, this video appeared in my life in the best moment, keep going with your message❤️🌱
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I bet people HATE having to invite you over. Make 2 separate meals so not to offend the veggy. Separate pots & pans.. or you invite non veggy over they fake liking your food then pop to McDs on the way home. 😂😂
Extremely informative, thank you, Ed.
I loved the editing of the final shot
I had chickens. We first bought the chickens for pets. When they were old enough they started producing eggs. So at first we did eat there eggs, I was so uneducated about this at the time. We stopped eating there eggs cuz we just didnt want to eat the eggs from our chickens anymore. So I would often just feed them there own eggs which I now know was a good decision. And we continued this for a long time. They were our pets and friends. I would make diapers out of socks for them and they would sleep in my room at night. They died about a year ago and I miss them so so so much. Seeing this video made me happy knowing that I stopped eating my chickens eggs and I fed them it.
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I understand that leaving the eggs for the hens to eat them is the best option and I agree that we shouldn't keep any animal for our own gain nor to take anything they produce, but in a case the hen lays multiple eggs and won't eat them all (assuming this could be the case) and the rest would go to waste, what is wrong with taking these eggs for ourselves? Not because we think we deserve them, but just because taking them wouldn't harm the hen, wouldn't deprive her of anything if she's not interested in eating or hatching it, or won't be consumed otherwise and would just rot. I don't particularly see it as exploitation, because the hens wouldn't be kept to lay eggs or serve us, they would be kept as pets and taken care of, and the leftover egg just happened, so why should it go to waste? I'm not a hen-specialist by any means, I'm just genuinely curious
Nothing wrong at all. Especially if you take care of them as pets, show the love they deserve as any sentient being. There's really nothing wrong if the hens aren't exploited or seen as machines. My neighbor's hens produce eggs by their own and he never forced them to lay eggs or whatever. It just happens. So he takes some leftover and get nutrients without any cruelty. It's better than supplementing and you got the opportunity to share love and compassion.
I think people got so disgusted by industries and humans's behavior that they cannot trust any viable way of loving and sharing. Backyard eggs don't mean exploiting at all. Yes some people see as that but some don't. It's about having pets and not forcing any animals.
doreiku I agree, but when reading some of the comments I noticed people still found it somehow wrong and I was wondering if I maybe was missing something. Anyway thanks for your reply!
@@klarawk Cause most people are going hard on feelings and saw industries. That's why most people blame me for being vegetarian (ethical one and small consumption). Also a lot of vegetarians go hard on animal products like cheese so it doesn't make sense and bring more harm aswell. So they are sometimes right but it's not every vegetarian.
There's no need to go to an extreme if you can do otherwise. If your pets are happy and glad to be near you and not exploited, there's nothing wrong. They're animals like us, and as you may know, some people are so happy that they're glad to give something back in return. Till it's not forced, there's nothing wrong.
You're a wholesome person, follow your heart and cruelty free or the least possible (cause i know it's hard nowadays with humanity being the worst thing ever).
edit: sorry, i brought too much of my views. But TL;DR: you're a wholesome person and there's nothing wrong till it's not exploitation.
There’s nothing wrong with it. I’m vegan myself, but disagree with many views that vegans have. I honestly feel repulsed by the vegan community most of the time bc they’re some of the most judgmental people I’ve ever met and find fault with sooo many things. I believe that if we truly care about animals AND people, then we should be gentle with one another and not find fault with how other people are trying their best. So many people turn away from veganism bc they feel attacked rather than encouraged. I just think as long as someone is trying their best and wants to be more ethical, they should be supported. And eating eggs that in no way cause harm to chickens sounds pretty ethical and sustainable to me.
@@emmysalam8735 I'm glad I read your mindful words.
I feel like most people are judgmental based on what they saw and keep seeing from humans behaviours and industries and the "no care, don't happen to me" mindset.
Also, some vegans really get too deep into labels and insult me for being ethical vegetarian with such small proportion of animal products. Like you said, if it doesnt cause any sort of harm and ethical, I don't the issue. Also, most animals who feel loved and happy like to give it back or show it.
Damn, made me remember of the goat who I cuddled all the time. She died from age related.
Anyway, I'm really happy I got to read your comment, Emmy. We should ditch labels and seek the least possible harm and sustainable ways.
Great video! Thank you for explaining this. Your work is very important 👍
THaNKS a lot.🙏🏼 You are making really a good job.👏🏼👍🏼 Have saved your great video in the playlist again.⚓😍
Thank you! thank you! thank you omg!! These videos mean so much and I really appreciate all your hard work always!💚💚💚
Exactly! No one can have a "pet" chicken if they're being used as a commodity.
Ikr it's truly disturbing!
@Cezarr They are kept mostly for selfish reasons such as loneliness. However due to domestication of many animals. Many find themselves in a vulnerable state where they cannot live in the wild without causing destruction to it or themselves. I think in the case of pet's and farm animals. All of them should be not be bred back into existence. We need to phase out the presence of domesticated animals and establish areas in the world where they can live in the wild. Domestic cats are a big pest when it comes to the attacking all the native birds and small mammals. Domestic dogs have their own issues when placed in the wild without pedation. Raising vulnerable predatory animal populations back to stable numbers would be key to having a predator-prey cycle being established once more. We need to get rid of breeding programs for profit.
@Southy Have you seen the video and the problems that come with it?
@Southy Well if there actually is a way to get the eggs, without hurting the chickens then all power to you. And also dont kill them once they stop doing it.
I personally dont like the idea of eating something that another being popped out, but again if you can do it without hurting them or indagering their lifes in anyway, then all power to you.
However I doubt it.
@@veganbytheway57 My hens don't lay eggs every day. They were bred by myself - I've kept every male i've ever bred. I've never killed a chicken. You have to remove eggs from coupes as they rot and attract predators. Feeding eggs back to hens can actually cause health problems and behavioural problems. Shells are fine to feed back - eggs? not so much. As long as the hens aren't acquired from breeders who kill males, and aren't breeds that have been selectively bred to overproduce eggs, then there is literally no problem. Most chicken feeds supply the chickens with enough nutrients to sustain them when they're laying eggs.
Thank you Ed! Finally I have a proper aswer that I can say when someone asks this question :)
Thank you Soo much Ed for making this video! I just posted it to my FB page. It answers all my own questions and then some!
Knowledge IS powerful. 👍🙏😊💕
Because I don't view chickens as commodities. They aren't here to provide us with a service. Those eggs would be better used fed to the chickens themselves or to wildlife.
@Esmae Dolman Wildlife meaning non-human animals that actually need to sometimes eat other animals to survive, making eggs from hens part of an open ecological system, whereas humans can and obviously do (all vegans here) survive without the need of eating any animal products, so no.
@Esmae Dolmanmalnutrition is only a problem if you don't plan your diet properly.
@Esmae Dolman learn some basic nutrition u nob
Ex vegan stories are anecdotal with is a fallacy
@@lography6917 Vegans require supplements on a daily basis because it's an artificial diet. Veganism is a fraud.
These illustrated hairy eggs are pretty confusing.
I thought so too 🤣😅😬
Thanks for your work Ed
You've nailed it as always. Thanks
I think there can exist a middle ground where you want hens for their eggs, and also commit to caring for them outside of what they produce. Idk, I think there are many ways to care for our animals while also enjoying what they produce. I think what is important is being realistic with people who want hens for their eggs to understand that ultimately, you will be enjoying eggs for a little, and during their entire lives you have a wonderful pet with a fun personality and quirky family.
A natural tomato also like kills people because it was still a toxic nightshade. Everything that humans have cultivated has altered it. Thats literally all of what agriculture has been. People can still have a middle ground like OP mentioned just not your choice it sounds like.
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm more convinced by the arguments against meat and dairy. But yeah, the selective breeding has led to problems for the hens. Taking measures to make them lay less eggs and supporting them for now with the right (perhaps calcium fortified) foods would be great. While doing this and hopefully getting to a healthier hen, and enjoy having them for "who they are", I don't see a problem also enjoying their eggs.
Great video, Ed. I don’t eat eggs now but great info here! I had no idea about the breeding to produce more eggs.
Just eat what you want don't let this man trap You
@@Deniz55995 If you're so offended, then why do you watch his videos?
Deniz Baran i do eat what I want. I’m vegan and that’s what I like being.
@@goaway7421 i thought it was about how good eggs is
This video is wonderful, thank you for sharing this valuable message with us!
Thank you so much for explaining this 👌🏻 keep up this good work
I’ve always from birth found it weird that we eat another animal’s egg. I’ve never eaten egg in my life and never will.
i'll put this into a different perspective, to make this seem even more gross, it's not just an egg, depends if the egg was fertilized or not, the people who eat these are either eating a fetus or they're eating a chicken's menstruation
That was always my thing with milk. I'd still eat other dairy products like cheese and ice cream but milk itself always gave me the creeps even yogurt at times would aswell.
Same, never eaten an egg, drank milk or eaten meat from birth
un_known Its disgusting, i don’t think people would eat it if it resembled human period. Shows how disconnected we are as a society.
@Esmae Dolman It is NOT a fact we need to eat eggs, animal flesh or fish. Educate yourself.