2022 Men's Mid-80 mm All-Mountain Ski Comparison with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- 00:00 Intro
2:45 - K2 Mindbender 85
6:05 - Volkl Blaze 86
10:15 - Nordica Navigator 85 Ca
14:45 - Salomon Stance 84
18:50 - Atomic Maverick 86 C
22:55 - Dynastar M-Pro 84
27:15 - Rossignol Experience 82 Basalt
32:10 - Armada Declivity 82 Ti
36:20 - Volkl Kanjo 84
40:55 - Blizzard Brahma 82
44:50 - Liberty Evolv 84
49:20 - Elan Wingman 86 CTI
54:05 - Rossignol Experience 82 Ti
58:30 - Fischer RC One 86 GT
1:03:20 - Black Crows Divus
1:08:30 - Head Supershape e-Titan
1:12:30 - Volkl Deacon 84
1:17:45 - Kastle FX 86 Ti
1:21:20 - Kastle MX 83
1:25:55 - Stockli Laser AR
Written Comparison: www.skiessentials.com/Chairli...
cant wait for the mid 90s comparison!!! Keep up the amazinf work :)
Thanks guys, appreciate the comparisons (and other content)!
Thanks!
thanks for putting the blaze 86 in this line up. just got a pair from you guys with the s-lab shift for my dedicated a/t set up. love the light weight and the liveliness, as I’ll be be hitting some bumps on the way down. appreciate all the work and insights you both put into equipment refiews and information sharing. cheers.
Sweet! You'll have to let us know how you like it once you've had a few days out there.
Thank you for these videos. You convinced me last season that the Navigator's suited me, having just bought a 2022 pair, this just reinforces my decision.
So glad you're finding them helpful!
Another great review guys, good job ! The Stockli AR is a great bump ski and the diff vs the MX83 is spot on.
Thanks!
I bought the 2021 Kanjo last year after watching you guys. Absolutely loved it. Great east cost ski. Tore up whiteface with it. Groomed, glades, steeps. outstanding ski.
Awesome! Glad you're loving it.
You guys are awesome! Looking forward to the video for the 70-79mm as well.
Right now I'm planning on two frontside videos. One will likely be about 75-82 mm, the other 75 mm and narrower.
heck yeah stoked for the season right around the corner!!
Hello from Russia, guys! Have been selecting new skis for myself for quite a while. Your videos are certainly “must to see”. Assuming my weight (100 kilos) decided to go with double titanal Salomon S/Force Bold (84 mm underfoot). Counting down days before the mountains trip to give them a try. All the best to your channel and keep going!
Thanks! You're going to love the Bold. That ski rips, especially for bigger skiers such as yourself!
I picked up a pair of Laser ARs this summer in sale and can't wait for the winter to come. I tested them a couple of times last season and had a blast every time! All my friends who tested them also loved them. Just really fun frontside groomer skis 👌and the quality is top-notch
Have a blast--they're amazing!
The backside of that Atomic showed the horizon tech better :) Been looking forward to this one. I'm probably not in that 80mm range but still so great to hear how you discuss each ski for what they are and also how they compare to the others. Been learning a lot about ski construction through these. Cheers!
Thanks Nicholas! Glad you're enjoying them.
Really useful video!!
This channel is awesome
A few years back when I returned to skiing after a twenty year hiatus, I got a pair of Rossi Exp’s with Look system bindings. I sold those skis to my dad, but I’ve been skiing Look bindings ever since.
You guys nailed the difference between the MX83 and Laser AR. I owned an MX83 and spent 3 days on the AR and 3 days on the Laser SC in France, a couple days we did close to 40k vert.
Laser AR is super well rounded and more accepting of less energetic skiing and or a less advanced skier. It is also a touch easier off piste with a bit less aggressive tip/tail shape and softer flex. Really its amazing Stockli gets the kind of top end out their skis for how soft they flex. Edge grip for days as well, the best in the business.
That said the MX in the same length has more top end, a whole other gear and is more akin to a non fis GS ski. Hitting late day chopped up groomers they or the MX88 the just anhiliate everything in their path. You barely notice the piste isn't perfect until you look back after 4-5 turns and your friends are already way behind you, getting knocked around and picking their lines while you pin the throtle. They expect more from you but to me are more rewarding to ski.
The SC compares more favorably to the Kastle MX74/75 bit more energy and top end in the Kastle but less noticable a difference than AR.
Awesome finish on both - in the past I would give Stockli a clear edge but Kastle has really stepped up their game in last 1-2yrs as they switched factories. Also notice a increase in edge grip in modern Kastles even their basic layups like the ZX108 has surprising grip.
Thanks for the feedback! We got on the 2023 MX83 this December and there's even more pop to it as they've increased the quality of the fiberglass. Again, we were reminded just how fun and amazing these MX83's are and how cleanly they accomplish their goals.
SE
Love my Deacon 84s... let em Rrrrriiipp!
Love the depth of know knowledge and passion you chaps put into these videos. Ps Jeff dig the shirt where’s it from.
Thanks! That's the Flylow Sinclair. It's pretty sweet. Insulated, really nice for chilly spring/autumn evenings.
Hey guys. As always, love your videos, please keep it up - best ski content on the Internet! Last year after watching your reviews I bought (from you) a Blizzard Rustler 9, but after skiing on it for 2 seasons, I came to understanding that it's perhaps too much of a jack of all trades for my needs (and a master of none), and while great to try different things, it doesn't particularly shine in anything I really like doing. I'm spending less time in trees and moguls than I thought I would - I mostly enjoy carving frontside at high or medium turn radii, with maybe 20-30% of mixed terrain and chopped up pow on powder days at resorts - and I'm definitely feeling that its shorter effective edge gives up stability when carving at speed, lighter tips get deflected in pow, and also it's supposed to be flickable for short turns, but my experience har been that its swing weight is quite high. I'm 6'1 220lb and got it in 180. Did I underestimate my aggressiveness and got a length that's too short? Or did I get a wrong ski altogether and should've gone with a 86ish mm under foot carver (I mostly ski West/Rockies)? I demoed Mantra M6 and Elan Wingman 86 CTi a day each this season, and had a blast on both, even though they're very different. Mantras were a bit more stable at carving and didn't get deflected by crud, but were even harder to flick around than the Rustlers, and Wingman was no slouch carving, and an absolute joy to practice short turns with (I skied it in 178 though and it might've been a bit soft at times, I'm not sure). Both felt fine in the little bit of trees and moguls I've done. Which is the ski for me? Should I look at something different as well perhaps? Brahma 88? Thank you!
At 6/1 220, you may have sold yourself a bit short on that ski. It's more about preference, and your description kind of points to that theory. I guess I'd just keep that in mind moving forward. If you have more of an 80/20 split for front side to off-trail, something in that 88 mm range makes a lot of sense. Brahma, Kendo 88, and Enforcer 88 are all at the top of that list. I'd say the Enforcer is an interesting candidate as it has more of a freeride flair to it, increasing the "flickability" when needed and keeping the overall composure of the ski very well grounded in a carving emphasis. While a ski like the Wingman is more like 90/10, these other 88's are in the 70/30 to 80/20 range that I think you're looking for. Kendo has a lot of the same overall feel that the mantra has, but it's quicker and more agile. Brahma is solid--I would stick to the 183 in that one, 184 Kendo, or 186 Enforcer 88.
Which of these skis (and/or the ~90mm ones) resemble the most of characteristics of Blizzard Bushwacker which became discontinued? I have Bushwackers, and I love them, but I may need to make a change.
Thank you for all the amazing tests and comparisons you SkiEssentials team did over the years!
Elan Ripstick 88 would be a good one. Head Kore 87, Maverick 86 C... those feel like good places to start. All relatively lightweight, responsive, but with good edge grip and stability too. I'd throw the Black Pearls in there too, if there's a length that works for you. The Black Pearl 88 is probably the closest thing to the Bushwacker just based on shape and construction.
Thoughts on Maverick 86 C vs Kanjo 88 for a lower level intermediate.
Mostly skiing on hard snow, with 3-4 trips to Colorado a season. Want
something that is lightweight and maneuverable, but will not get bogged
down in the trees. Thanks.
Just bought a pair of Laser AR demos from you guys in Stowe today, very “Stoweked”
Nice! Have fun!
I have a challenge for you guys - you've been so good with recommendations and are my go-to for ski reviews and comparisons. I have a pretty good quiver at the moment, but I'm looking to fill the next couple slots. Current quiver: Blizzard TB R15 WB 182cm; Fischer Curv GT 182cm (19/20 version/ 80mm underfoot); J Skis Masterblaster 181cm; Praxis Slugger Custom 185cm (102mm underfoot if unfamiliar); Salomon Blank 186cm. 6'2" 180lbs, advanced, Park City resident, will ski approx. 100 days this season. Looking for 2 more skis this year: something 80s underfoot, versatile but with a smaller turn radius and softer overall flex. And something 115+ underfoot with a wider turn radius than the Blank. The powder ski is less important b/c I do really love that Blank, but would be curious to hear what you think about the BC Anima and which length you'd go for. That's the ski I'm leaning towards, though certainly have interest in many others (BChetler 120, JJ 116, Nocta, Revolt 121). More important of the two would be the 80s underfoot versatile carver. There seems to be SO many great options here. I want something I can really bend - even at low speeds. My current two carving-oriented skis are wonderful, but I feel like they both crave higher speeds to really get those round arcs. Would also love the new ski to play well in moguls and not get thrown off if I'm with a group that decides to head to the trees seeking some stashes. That Mirus Cor certainly sounds interesting. As does the Declivity 92Ti. It's been a couple years and I'm a different skier now, but I remember really loving the old Brahma in a 180cm ('19/20? version I think it was). The latest Kendo sounds fun, but I suspect might be too stiff for what I'm after. I've demoed the Experience 86Ti and thought it was a nice ski, but I think the tune might have been a little off as I couldn't really lay it over. Another ski I demoed that I thought was SUPER easy to bend, was the Rossi Hero Elite Plus Ti in 174cm. I suspect the length might have had something to do with that. Also I want something wider and more versatile. Based on your reviews, I imagine the Stockli SR 88 or Laser AR would fit the bill, alas not in the budget sadly. Any thoughts or suggestions? You guys test so many skis and are the masters at this sort of stuff, that I'm guessing you have a thought or 4. Thanks in advance!!
Okay, so for 2 more skis, in the 80's underfoot range, I'd take a square look at the Black Crows Mirus Cor. That fills the requirement of a small turn radius, softer flex, and fun-loving personality. If you don't like the sound of that, a more traditional option would be a Volkl Kanjo or a Dynastar M-Pro 85. For the wider option, The Anima is a very solid ski and choice. There are other more playful options, something like K2 Mindbender 116C, or Elan Ripstick 116, or even the more twinned Dynastar M-Pro 118 would be a lot of fun. I do think the mid-80's ski is more important--wider skis are more similar, and there's some more variance with the narrower skis.
Hey guys
Once again really appreciating the amount of work you put into your reviews and roundups of the immense amount of versatility out there in the ski market!
Just a quick question from the top of your heads.. how do the stockli laser AR and the nordica enforcer 88 compare? I'm really trying to figure out if I should go for the enforcers, unfortunately I can only try out the 94s. I have tried the ARs for the last two days and love them but feel like maybe the enforcers would be the better deal..
I'm 185cm, 84kg and expert skier in the central alps.
Cheers!
If a "deal" to you is only based on price, then yes, the Enforcer is a better choice. That said, the AR is one of the best, most complete skis I've been on. At the same time, the Enforcer has a bit higher of a performance level while the AR has a much broader range, even at 83 vs. 88 mm wide. Conversely, once again, the Enforcer is a fantastic ski that can really do a whole lot.
What’s your guys thoughts on Nordic’s Enforcer 88 vs Atomic Maverick 88 Ti? Looking for the ultimate East Coast front side ski to add to the quiver? Also I’ve been interested in the Kanjo 84, but I already have been skiing the Volkl revolt 104. I am thinking they are a bit too similar (width being the major difference).
To me the Enforcer 88 leans more towards the carving side of the spectrum, while the Maverick 88 is more versatile. The Maverick still carves well too, it's just not quite as damp or as smooth as the Enforcer. On the other hand, Maverick definitely lighter and more agile if you're taking it into trees, moguls, etc. Since you're most focused on frontside performance in this application, the Enforcer 88 makes a little more sense to me. I don't think the Kanjo is too similar to your Revolts by any means. That could be a good choice too. It's not as powerful as the Enforcer, but a very good carving ski, especially if you consider yourself to be a less aggressive skier and/or someone who prefers more moderate speeds.
My vote is for a beer league slalom/race carve ski comparison. :-)
Good video, I’m looking for something just like this one but for the women’s skis. My wife has an Santana 100 and is looking for a frontside groomer focused ski to compliment
Hey Kevin! We're planning on starting women's comparisons later this month, probably in a couple weeks.
Hi Guys,
As always, best reviews of skis out there. Greatly appreciate your knowledge and time. I’ve been skiing for 20+ yrs, twin tips forever salomon 1080’s from my park days. I hated moving in from them but now at 42 with injuries and slowing down on the mountain following my young kids around, there’s not much hard turning no more park time. I went to the Rossi exp 84 CA which is great for the easy front side easy days with my wife, but I want to get back on a twin tips and add to the quiver, primarily for the feel and easier sloshing turns and chasing the kids in the little bumpy areas and some easy tree time. I wanted to know your opinion between nordica soul rider 84/87 or Volkl Kenjo 84. I’m 5’10 180. Only getting up north (New England) 6-10 times a year now).
Thank you again.
Soul Rider 87 is an AWESOME ski and would be a great choice, but going to be harder to find. That ski was just discontinued, the new Unleashed series is the replacement. If you can find a Soul Rider 87, however, buy it! Great ski and works really well for what you're looking for. Kanjo 84 is a directional ski, not a twin tip. Realistically it's probably too close to your Experience 84 to justify buying it. Don't be afraid of going a little wider, especially if you like those smeary turns. Volkl Revolt 95 is a good one and a tremendous value. The new Atomic Bent 90 would be pretty perfect too. Those are two good ones to consider if you can't find a leftover Soul Rider. Hope that helps!
@@SkiEssentials Although it was awhile ago, I wanted to reply and thank you. I found a pair of the Soul Riders and your review and recommendation was beyond 100% accurate. I grabbed them used with some dings on them for $425. Refinished them new bindings and they are beyond amazing. Can’t thank you guys enough. Love the channel the videos and too notch knowledge.
We ski out west mostly Mammoth. Which Stokli ski would you recommend if you can only choose one for the season. Laser AR, AX, SC, SR88, SR95 or any other? We ski 80% on piste/ 20% off. Thank you for your great informative videos!
Don't tempt me with a good time! I think the AR is the way to go if you're 80% on trail. You could go to the 88, but I think the AR has the best performance for the blend of attributes you're looking for.
I ski in the Midwest majority of the time. I consider myself a higher end intermediate skier,. I am 5'9 250lbs and haven't bought a pair of skis in 20 years so I always rent and go 3-4 days a week. i feel comfortable on a ski between 172-175 height range. But I know the rentals are totally different and more of a camber. What length would you recommend between Black Crowes Divus and the Armada Declivity 82TI or a different ski in this category? keep up on the videos great info
HI Benjamin! To be perfectly honest, it's hard to recommend one or the other as they're both fantastic, and overall very similar to each other. Both would work fantastic for where you live and your ability level. I will say just based on your weight, don't be afraid to go a little longer. Certainly nothing wrong with going closer to, or even a little longer than 180 cm. For instance, in the Declivity 82, you may want to consider the 182 as it will be more supportive of your weight.
Would it make a difference in the trees or bumps with the Kastle mx 83 AND skiier (me) is 6' tall and 285 lbs? meaning you guys mention how it is more of an on piste ski carver, but too narrow focus to take into variable/trees/moguls..does my weight tip the ski's versatility for me to feel comfortable in trees?
A little bit, yeah, but the shape is still the same. The squared-off, flatter tail will still feel catchy sometimes, but overall, yes, at your weight you'll have an easier time manipulating the ski into different turn shapes than most. Hope that helps!
Hello, I'm interested in the Nordica Navigator 85. I'm 5'6 155lbs, mid level intermediate coming off of a pair of Salomon xdr 75 st in 147cm. Would you recommend going with the 165 or 172 in length. Most of the skiing I do is on the east coast. Thanks for your help!
Hi Marco! I think the 165 is probably best. That should be supportive for your size, while also allowing for quicker progression than on the 172 cm. I think you might have trouble going all the way from 147 to 172. Hope that helps!
Great comparison video guys. Been a follower from across the pond for a few years now. Looking to a piste ski that won't mind the afternoon cut up snow we get at in the Alps. I've watched your frontside comparison and the declivity 82ti fits the bill, but I'm struggling with the sizing. I am 180cm, 85kgs, advanced intermediate. Feeling the 182cm could be too long?
Am I thinking right and if so, any alternatives?
Hey Stephen! I think the Declivity 82 would be excellent for you. I also tend to agree, especially if you're not skiing super fast, 182 might be a bit overkill in a frontside ski like that. I think 174 would be a very reasonable choice.
Hi Guys, I’m looking for an on piste ski that can deal with the variable conditions of spring skiing in the Swiss Alps. I.e icy mornings and lumpy chopped up afternoons. Would the Rosi Exp 84ai (still available in the UK) or Volkl Kanjo 84 be a good choice. If so which one would you go for (I’m a 6ft,160lb intermediate skier looking to progress to upper intermediate/advanced ASAP). Thanks
I'd say the Kanjo is slightly better in that application, mostly due to its shape, but also its weight and its overall feel. It handles variable snow conditions very well for its width thanks to a unique rocker/taper shape in the tips and tails. Less catchy. Realistically, they both would work just fine and that Experience 84 would be better for that application than the new shapes. Hope that helps!
What a great discussion, even for a total dweeb that is a very average skier. It helped a lot and was casual but very informative.
Thanks Derek!
Can we have a bumps and tight East Coast trees discussion? Many sites seems clueless and recommend metal skis like the Kendos which makes me suspicious. I'm thinking skis like the Black Crow Vertis/Camox, Faction Dictator 1.0 FG, and Volkl Blaze. Those are all wood core mid fats with a lot of camber. The Ripsticks are a dark horse candidate - they have good camber but the carbon makes me nervous since it makes skis damp like metal. Am I on the right track? What else should I add?
Camox definitely, Blaze definitely. Ripsticks are really, really good too. The carbon makes them super responsive, they're really quick in tight trees. Liberty Origins come to mind too, I've had some great days on the Origin 96 in VT trees. The best thing for dedicated east coast tree skiers is to get something relatively lightweight with a decent amount of tail rocker. Not a crazy amount of tail rocker, but enough to allow for some easy edge release and forgiveness. Plenty of other good choices too, like the Fischer Ranger 94 FR is a lot of fun. I would agree that the Kendo is not the best ski for someone who's focused on bumps and trees. Good all-mountain ski and can certainly dabble in terrain like that, but it's not the best in bumps and trees.
do you have a 100mm Ski Video planned or did I miss it? I saw the Mid 100mm one but looking at 100mm Specifically. Thanks
For sure. We'll have a video that covers "all-mountain" skis from around 97 to 102. Similar to the mid-100, but more all-mountain focused than freeride.
Has it been 2yrs since you did a Twin-tip comparison video? Would love to know if there's a twin-tip in the mid 80 mm size. Keep up the terrific vids! Thx
Gosh... maybe? I thought we did one last season for 2021. Lots of twin tips in the mid 80 category. Soul Rider 87, Bash 86, ARV 86, Sight, just to name a few good ones.
Tentative timeline on some comparisons for women's skis (if any)? We got shortchanged last year so hoping you put out some women specific content in the future! Keep up the good work!
:)
The current plan is to do 4-5 men's comparisons, then switch to women's for a few weeks!
Hey guys! What are the key differences between the 2021 Rossignol Experience 84 ai and 2022 Experience 82 Basalt?
I can get now a really good price on the 84, while only having a tiny bit worse price on the 82. I am a strong beginner looking for a ski to grow into, I am around 184 cm tall and 82 kg, would mostly ski on groomed terrain (like 90%+), but after a while would venture off more. I would appreciate any tips.
Hi Daniel! Sorry for the delay getting back to you. Overall, those skis are fairly similar. Similar width, similar shape. The Experience 84 is a little more rounded out in the tip and tail (we call that early taper a lot). That gives it a little more maneuverability, especially noticeable in bumps, trees, etc. On the other hand, the 82 will give you a longer effective edge, which provides more grip and responsiveness on firm snow. Either one would work great as you transition from beginner to more intermediate/advanced technique. 84 slightly more versatile, 82 slightly better on a groomer. Hope that helps!
Question for y'all: i consider myself an expert skier though I'm fairly small (65kg/145lbs). I've been skiing wide, light and stiff sticks for a while now (Kore 105-> Ripstick 106 Black) and while I love the way they've preformed in most snow conditions I find they're less than ideal in firm moguls.
To get to the point, I'm looking for a second pair of skis that have a lower speed limit, more flex and retain the ability to smear/slash for days when I'm primarily skiing bumps. I'm considering the Volkl Kanjo 84 and the K2 Reckoner 102. Wondering if you think the characteristics of those skis match my intended use, and if you'd recommend one over the other or something else I've left off of my short list.
Hey Cullen! Interesting scenario you're in. I agree that both of those skis can feel a bit clunky in bumps. I think what makes the most sense here is to stick to a narrower width. I think that's going to give you more quickness and more precision in the bumps. So, I think Kanjo makes more sense than Reckoner, but I wonder if Kanjo is the best choice. You mention smearing and slashing and not that the Kanjo can't do that, but there are certainly skis that do it more easily. Have you considered something like the Elan Ripstick 88? Softer flex pattern, very playful, smeary, and tremendous in the bumps. Volkl Blaze 86 or 94 would be interesting to consider too. I think those might make more sense for this application than the Kanjo. 94 obviously is a bit wider, but basically checks all your boxes for performance. Softer, lower speed limit, smeary/slashy, good in bumps.
Hope that helps!
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for the reply! Yeah I think the blaze might make the most sense, not sure how I neglected to consider them. Much appreciated!
I’m looking for a ski to progress in the moguls. I I would categorize myself as an aggressive intermediate skier (5’10” 42 year old male weighing ~ 170 lbs). From what I read online the Nordica Navigator is supposed to be a good option to use for moguls while still having the versatility to be used as an everyday all mountain ski. Would you say that’s accurate?
Pretty accurate! It has a nice and even flex, maybe a bit stiffer in the tail, but not unapproachable by any means. Very solid turner on the groomers as well--one of our favorites for a while now with good range for a variety of skier types and terrain. Volkl Kanjo and K2 Mindbender 85 also fit nicely into that category.
my favourite range :)
can one service the elan with that Amphibio rocker at home, mostly curious about base flattening/scraping?
Yeah, you can. The Amphibio rocker is pretty subtle and even where it's featured, the base is still flat, it's kind of just twisted if that makes sense...
I made it through another one. I would imagine that you are going to have a 2023 version. What I got out of this was softer skis for softer snow. That and I love my Stockli's and can't wait to ski my Kastle and I know you didn't have DPS on there but I can't wait to ski them too..
Thanks for the feedback!
@@SkiEssentials Always my pleasure and thanks for all of these videos. I really don't see any other ski shop putting close to the amount of time and energy that you put into these videos.
Sup, guys!
I have a question and need your help. Previousyl I've been asking a recommendation on 90-100mm skis from you and gotten it, but then I've realized that realistically, I will spend like 80% of my skiing time somewhere on prepared tracks, and the hardest terrain will be the evening kind of the track when it's not that smooth. So now I'm looking for a 80-90mm pair of skis that will get me through some snow occasionally.
Some stats and info: I'm 190 cm, ~115 kg, not a total noob in skiing. I don't like to do lots of quick turns, prefer something longer and with more speed. Will probably do some small jumps on the bumps, no tricks or freestyle.
I've been looking at the Head V10, but some people are telling me that even at 184 size they won't be stable at speed and won't actually fit me well. What do you think about it?
Here are the list of brands that I can get my hands on:
HEAD
Atomic
Armada
Salomon
Fischer
Waiting for your response! Thank you!
Hello! I think you can go longer and wider than that V10. I like the idea of something like the Armada Maverick 88 Ti, Armada Declivity 92 Ti, or Salomon Stance 90. Those three skis will give you better stability for your size compared to the V10. You don't lose much performance on firm snow, but you do gain some performance in soft snow and off-piste terrain, which I think you'll appreciate having. Both the Declivity 92 in a 188 cm length and the Stance 90 in a 188 feel like excellent choices among those brands.
What would be the equivalent of the kanjo 84 but with shorter turn radius? I like short turns rather than gs type skiing. Would the Vertis from BC fit the bill?
Yes! Black Crows Vertis is a great example of a very similar ski with a shorter radius. Armada Declivity 82 Ti would be another good one.
After much agony over which one exactly in 80-90 I went for Deacon VWerks. Hope it is not a mistake.
Hard to go wrong there! I bet you'll love them.
So I rented the deacon 84 last year and am between it and the mantra m6 what would you say the main differences are between them? Currently I own a pair of k2 icons and they shudder a lot when I'm at speed the deacon 84s didn't have this problem but weren't great on powder which I ski occasionally. My k2 iconics also suck on powder.
HI C!
I think you'll find a similar powder performance from the Deacon while the Mantra is marginally better. They're all pretty heavy, so sinking is kind of an issue, even from a 96 mm underfoot ski. That said, I think the Mantra is a better overall choice if you're looking for a strong blend of softer snow performance and on-trail carving. Have fun!
SE
any thoughts on the best skis (regardless of price) for an intermediate skier who is getting better at parallel skiing but hasnt mastered it yet, skis in colorado and likes to ski both powder and groomers? (5'9" 200 lbs)
Hi Macauley!
I'll put in a strong vote for the Volkl Kanjo for your application. A bit wider, check out the Elan Ripstick 88, and that'll take care of soft snow a bit better, but for most all-mountain conditions and terrain, I think the Kanjo is a great choice.
Hello from Sweden! Looking for new skis. I would say that I am 4 out of 10. Did not go in 15 years before 2020 then I went 7 days. But now I go away every year. Going to Åre this winter hoping for 20 ski days. I mostly go piste, looking for a ski that turns easily and that I can grow in. I weigh 90kg of muscle and 177cm tall. I've been watching Völki kanjo 80, 175cm long And Fischer RC One 78 GT TPR Min, 173cm long. Which ski would you recommend?
Hello! Both are great choices. The Kanjo will feel lighter and a little easier to ski. Less fatiguing, at least. On the other hand, the RC One 78 GT will have more stability and a little more bite. Neither one is tremendously demanding, so I think either could work for your application!
Which size would you pick the Brahma? Intermediate Skier 189 cm tall and mainly on the slope - thus, would you rather go for 180 cm or 187 cm.
I think weight is an important factor here... I want to say about 200 lbs should be the cutoff... If you've over 200, go 187, if you're under 200, especially significantly under 200, go 180. Hope that helps!
how do the rossignol experience 82 ti compare to other skiis like the bahma 82 and the head titans?
It's more like the Brahma than the Titan. The Titan is really a wide frontside ski, while the Brahma 82 and Experience feel more like narrow all-mountain skis. A little more versatility in both the Experience and Brahma. Experience feels quite a bit lighter on your feet than the Brahma and isn't quite as stiff. That makes it a little easier to ski, but still a high performing ski for sure. Hope that helps!
What was the weight and length of the Declivity 82TI you covered?
Did we miss that? Apologies if we did. The Declivity 82Ti was a 182 cm and measured out to 1730 g or 2603 g with the Attack 11 we have it paired with.
480p like a SAVAGE! LOL Must have caught this one early.
Deacon 84 vs wingman 86cti comparison? There's no where nearby that I can demo the elan. But I will be on a deacon 84 this weekend. I recently demoed the current kendo 88 170 cm. That ski means business. I preferred the m6 mantra 184cm and found it more playful. I have a m5 mantra 178cm, Atomic vantage 100 180cm, Atomic ritual 191 cm, ripstick 106 188cm and rustler 11 188 cm. I'm looking for a groomer ski that wants to rail carving in a variety of turn shapes and can do moguls too. I'm 5'10 195lbs. Expert skier. I contacted elan and they said to go short the 164cm or 172cm. I replied that's 🤪
Hey Chad! I've always found the Deacon 84 feels more precise, that classic Volkl feel. Wingman, on the other hand, feels more peppy and energetic. I've always enjoyed how eager the Wingman is to come across the fall line. It's a very rewarding ski even at moderate speeds. That said, I think the Deacon is easier to manipulate turn shape with. If you want to make a variety of different sized carves, the Deacons a better ski IMO, but the Wingman is a whole lot of fun. I would at least go 178 cm in length for the Wingman. I'm the same height, but 40 lbs lighter, and that's the length I prefer.
no mirus cor on the list? I’m trying to learn more about the ski but there aren’t a lot of videos about them. Im an east coast skier at 5ft 8 130 pounds and i like ripping groomers, popping off side hits and going through the trees, do you think the mirus cor would be a good choice for me?
other skis i’m looking at are the camox and the qst 98
There's a good first impressions review out there, they found it to be a fun, energetic carver that likes to be in the air; less directional and more freestyle oriented than most other carving skis.
We have a full review of the Mirus Cor: ruclips.net/video/jfanI-_uD5E/видео.html
If anything, we'll probably include it in a twin tip comparison. Looser than the Camox and softer flexing than the QST 98. It's an extremely unique ski that's somewhat hard to compare to anything else. Soft flex, lots of rocker, short radius. Super fun, but very unique.
@@jdmoses877 the title clearly stated “mid 80’s…
@@hotskillet mirus cor are 87 under foot so i’m pretty sure they fit inside that category
Ah great ... one more step closer to front side and race skis :)
Also, in terms of race skis... is it correct for me to group them into following groups: FIS adult men, FIS adult women, FIS Junior, beer league/cheater, consumer carving, all mountain carving? Maybe there are more groups? (can't wait for race ski comparisons lol)
Hey James! Yeah, I think that's a perfectly reasonable way to group carving or race skis. You could break it down further, really as far as you want, but I think that's a good way to think about it.
How does the camber compare between the rossis and the brahmas?
Fairly similar. Tip rocker is a little longer in the Experience, but aside from that camber height and length are quite comparable.
Can you guys make a park-specific ski comparison?
We are hoping to get to a twin tip comparison this season, yes!
Can you compare the Elan Ripstick to the Volkl Blaze?
Both incredibly versatile and light, the Ripstick likes higher edge angles and can carve a very clean turn as a result. You have to work a bit harder to get the Blaze to do that, but it's by no means an impossibility. I prefer the consistency of the Blaze as a bigger skier, and I like how you can push pretty hard into it while the Ripstick (at 225 pounds) I tend to over flex the shovel. In softer snow, they both work great, with the Elan a bit smoother due to the amphibio rocker profile.
If I've been rocking the RTM for 6 years Would the Deacon be a good fit !
Yup! Deacon is like the new and improved RTM.
I really hope you guys pick up Icelantic skis as a brand because their Saba series is insane has some cool construction and performance and deserves more attention and a review
We will consider it!
Are you guys going to do a separate video on 68mm alone?
We will do a narrow frontside comparison that'll start around 68 and go up to around 74.
Me 195cm tall and 115kg of pure weight hehehe.I never had before Armada ski and what do you think about Armada Declivity 82 Ti 182cm long for me as I am on intermadiate level
I think that's a perfectly reasonable choice as a beginner skier. Should be easy for you to handle, but still supportive of your size. Someday, if you continue to progress, you'll likely want a longer ski, but for now I think it's a good choice.
Hey guys, I'm 187 meters tall and weigh 84 kilos. Mostly I loved to be on the slopes so far, at short to medium radius. My level is very sporty and good. However, I am now looking for a perfect combination to also ski relaxed off-piste. What could you recommend me best?
Thank you!!
I'd start with the Volkl Kanjo 84. It's quick, versatile, and still a great carver.
I think this group of skis fits 90% of all skiers on east coast ... if they are looking for a quiver
Thanks guys! You are awesome. I love my Deacons. Had a fantastic season on them last year
Yeah, I would agree James. A lot of skiers feel the need to go wider into the ~90 category, but there are a ton of benefits to eastern skiers in this category.
What about skiers on Pacific Northwest where people enjoy skiing in the rain?
Go wider?
Been debating on a mx kastle
High precision, high-performance, and extremely round turns. Better skis than most.
and which ski does off piste better, rossignol experience to 82 or the blizzard bahma 82s
As long as you're a strong, advanced to expert level skier, I'd say the Brahma, even though it's heavier. Slightly more rocker and early taper in its shape, which helps make it less catchy when taking it off trail.
testing the stockli back to back with deacon 84 made me feel sad for the stockli. They do make some great skis, AR is not one of them imho(for bigger guys) sx, gs, sl are very nice! The e-titan is interesting.
I can completely understand that. I think that's basically the only limitation of the AR. Bigger skiers and/or really aggressive skiers. It is a softer flex pattern than a lot of these skis and in general os more finesse over power. A bigger skier just puts a lot of force on their skis, even if they're not skiing aggressively.
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Why are the rossis more expensive than the brahmas if they are similar?
Quite a bit of that is coming from the difference in bindings in this comparison. We had the Brahma packaged with an Attack 13, but the Experience 82 Ti comes with an SPX 14. If you take out the difference in price between the bindings, the skis are pretty comparable.
Which one is best for moguls?
I think I'd take the Blaze 86 if I were to do a mogul competition. M-Pro 84 not far behind.
Is Atomic Vantage 82 TI good for intermediate skiers?
Yup! Great ski for an intermediate who spends most of their time on groomed slopes.
Why no kore 85 X?
Mostly just because we have to eliminate some skis because of space limitations. Decided to include the Titan instead.
Give the people what they want.... Powder ski comparison!!!
Hour and a half video ?! cmon fellas lol
I don't actually know if you're thinking it's too long or too short as we honestly get both as feedback. My guess is too long, and I would point you to the chapter breakdowns in the video. You can click around to different skis you're interested in. We've actually gone longer than this in Comparison videos, believe it or not...