2023 Men's Mid 80 All Mountain Ski Comparison with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Next up in our 2023 Comparison Series is Men's All Mountain skis in the mid-80 mm width range. Some great skis in here that often get overlooked. There's a lot of fun to be had in this category, that's for sure. Enjoy!
Written Comparison: www.skiessentials.com/Chairli...
0:00 - Intro
3:30 - Atomic Bent 85
7:00 - K2 Mindbender 85
9:50 - Head Oblivion 84
13:35 - Atomic Maverick 86 C
17:30 - Salomon Stance 84
23:25 - Nordica Navigator 85
27:50 - Volkl Blaze 86
32:55 - Atomic Redster Q7
38:00 - Dynastar M-Pro 85
42:55 - Armada Declivity 88 C
46:40 - Volkl Kanjo 84
52:20 - Head Shape e-V10
56:40 - Rossignol Experience 86 Basalt
1:02:00 - Elan Wingman 86 CTI
1:07:35 - Fischer RC One 86 GT
1:13:00 - Liberty Evolv 84
1:17:05 - Volkl Deacon 84
1:22:00 - Rossignol Experience 86 Ti
1:25:25 - Head Super Shape e-Titan
1:29:30 - Black Crows Mirus Cor
1:36:20 - Kastle FX 86 Ti
1:38:50 - Kastle MX 83
1:42:50 - Stockli Montero AR
It’s past bedtime here in Sweden. But this I need to watch :)
Salomon Stance 84 is perhaps the most incredible ski in both performance and value in the line up. Purchased the ski with bindings in February practically at fire sale prices of $399 Canadian. Performance is a do all kind of terrain and conditions. As a part-time ski instructor, I skied 6 hrs straight 3-4 days per week for 2 months on these planks and if it's good for an old pro like me, it's definitely more than enough for the average skier. Super fun, great quality, stable underfoot, solid, incredibly agile on any shaped turns. Rides like a roller coaster on rails in the groom, crud, powder and ice. Any ski double or triple the $$$ won't get close to double the fun compared to the Stance 84.
Just skied the Volkl Deacon. I’m 65 now, former racer at 18-25. This ski is very awesome and able. It really Carves well. Great review!
I agree that this category is highly underrated, not just by consumers but also by ski brands who don't develop these skis with the same technology as their wider counterparts. Here on the east coast I use Salomon QST 85's (2018) as my daily driver and they rip everywhere on the mountain. A solid quiver could have a ski in this category and a mid-100 ski for powder and you'd be set.
Totally agree. I think they use these skis as more entry/gateway models into the line or brand as a whole, so the hope is that your QST 85 will lead you to a 92, 98 or 106 in the future, hooking you for life in a never-ending realm of Salomon skis.
thanks for this review guys. I bought the Elan Ripstick Blacks and love them.
For East Coast skiing, the best versatility is provided by the 78 to 88 mm range. I always said that there are too many skiers on wider skis, which are holding them back from progressing on their technique. It wasn’t that long ago that a 78mm was considered a “fatty.” I was asked in 2007 how wide were my Nordica Nitrous skis. When I answered “78 mm underfoot”, the person said “wow! is there a real need for something that fat in New England!?” And let’s not forget; at 78mm these used to be my powder skis. For really deep days there was the Salomon Pocket Rocket, at 90mm. Again, 78-88 mm underfoot is my sweet spot for all-mountain versatility on the East Coast, with one exception, the Mantra M3 at 98mm.
I remember having those same conversations with my 85 mm K2 Telemark skis back in the day. Look how far we've come!
I live in CO and easily 90% of my days (in bounds) are on an 84 and I’m itching to pick up something narrower.
Rockin helio 115s as daily drivers, but I don't have to deal with east coast ice
I am glad you didn't skip this category
It truly is one of our favorites. There's so much to like about skis in this width range. They don't get as much attention (you're not seeing magazine ads of people ripping turns on them...), but there are so many good applications and so many great skis in this category.
Hi guys, awesome reviews. Which of the skis would u recommend to a advanced beginner looking for at forgiving enjoyable ski mostly riding on blues and red - 197cm / 85 kg
Cheers and keep up the good work
Atomic Q7 seems like an upgraded version of Atomic Vantage 82 Ti (with Revoshock C and a Titanal layer - not only mesh). If I understand correctly, 82 Ti was left out when Vantage line rebranded to Maverick/Maven. Maybe Atomic wanted a lower price point for Maverick which didn't allow these features.
As a taller and heavier skier, I have enjoyed Vantage 82 Ti a lot. I bought them as my second pair of skis and they helped me to progress from blue to red slopes and enjoy them with confidence. I think Q7 will be a great option for a person looking for an easy, powerful and medium priced carving ski (maybe intermediate / lower advanced level) which offers larger and more relaxed turn radius in different snow conditions.
Thank you for these great comparison videos! I would like to suggest making a video to help to selecting the right type of skis (and maybe sharpening tips) for icy conditions. ☺
Thanks for the feedback!
Thanks for this great review! I am just skiing Whistler with my old Elans with 70something underfoot. And they are doing pretty fine in the fresh snow. I feel everyone here on the mountain has 90+ or even 100+ for the looks but in reality even here you ski trails or heavily tracked routes 90% of the time. My next ones are going to be mid 80s after your video - especially as my home terrain are the Alps…
Sounds great!
Love your reviews! I could use some advice to replace some Line Sick Day 104s. I absolutely love them but I'm looking for something narrower (80-95 mm) that will have much better grip on groomers with less chatter in firm chunder so I can push it a bit harder. My home mountain is Arizona Snowbowl and our conditions are often similar to east coast spring skiing (firm mornings, soft afternoons). I want something that is a good mix of fun and energetic but also stable. Something that can bounce around in moguls and then rip some deep carves on easy/intermediate groomers. I really want to improve my carves and learn how to drop my hip to the snow. I'm 5'8" 165 lbs and an advanced (not quite expert) skier. I'll have Salomon Shifts on them for occasional in-bounds up-hill so I don't want to go too heavy. On paper, the K2 Mindbender 89 TI looks ideal except for the weight. Other skis I'm considering:
- K2 Mindbender 90C
- Armada Declivity 88 C or 82 TI
- Atomic Maverick 88 C or TI
- Dynastar M-Pro 85
- Salomon Stance 84
- Elan Ripstick 88 (or 96??)
- Fischer Ranger 90
- Volkl Kanjo
Thanks!
Thanks, Geoff!
I don't think the weight of the 89Ti is an issue other than the uphills, and if you're touring occasionally, it's even less of a deal. If you're looking for similar performance, I'd put the Ranger right there as well as the Maverick 88 Ti. For improving carving and having a versatile ski, I think those are your best bets, and I'd take a pretty strong look at the Ranger. Have fun!
SE
Great review!🇸🇪
Yes!!! Just got off work, about to eat some dinner… and now I have front side content to watch😊
Did you settle on a favorite?
Hi Skiessentials ❤️ These vids are soooo good! I’m looking for a new one-quiver between 90-105mm under foot, advanced to expert level skier. I spend 80% of my time on piste, mainly due to too little snow, so whenever it dumps I’m in the off piste 24/7. I love doing biiiig carving turns but also want to have a ski that can do shorter turns as well and is super fun when it finally gets deep. What 3 skis would you recommend? I’m 6ft 1” and 190 pounds by the way, hope you can help me out!
Check out the Black Crows Justis, Nordica Enforcer 100, and Fischer Ranger 102. Lots of good stuff here!
Super helpful video! Thanks guys!
In your opinion what would be better for someone who loves carving but likes to throw in some jumps (on & off piste) and a bit of switch? Trying to decide between the Stance 84 and Rossignol Experience 82s! Probably a 80/20 split between groomers and off piste.
You're in a great zone--neither one is wrong here. The Experience is a bit more carving-oriented than the Stance, which has slightly more versatility to it, but overall, these will both handle what you're looking to do.
Jeff and Bob: if you could only ski on one pair of skis this year which pair would it be and why? Thanks again for your entertaining and informative videos. Cheers.
Bob: For what I do, here in Stowe, VT, which is a mix of groomers, bumps, woods, and skiing with kids, I think I'd take a Head Kore 99. I think the light weight complements the kids and trees while the stiff flex is great for carving on groomers and hard pack days. For bumps, they're not the best, but I'll make do.
Jeff: Nordica Unleashed 98. I can do everything that I want on it, from park to carving fun turns and is agile enough in the trees to make it worthwhile. Looks very sharp with gold Pivots as well.
Bring it on!
Hey great video. After going many years with rental skis (mostly Volkl Racetiger SC) I am looking to buy my first set of skis. I am 178cm , 75kg, advanced skier from Europe mostly skiing in Switzerland or Austria, almost entirely onpiste. I am currently considering to go with an all-mountiain style of ski just to have more options. The Volkl was for good groomer condition in Switzerland in January. But I would want to keep the option to go also in more slush situations around Easter. I prefer shorter turns and don't need to go highspeed.
I am considering either the Deacon 80 or Redster Q7, any recommendation towards one of them?
Thanks a lot for these videos.
Shorter turns points towards the Q7, although I suspect you'd be quite happy with either. The Atomic is a bit sturdier of a ski overall, so if you're looking for some more stability when the conditions degrade, that also points to the Q7.
How would you compare the Solomon Stance 84 to the Dynastar M-Pro 85? Which would you like better for some broken snow, moguls and tree skiing? On either of these skis I would probably be on trail 60% - 70% of the time. Thank you!
The Stance fits my style a bit more than the M-Pro 85 in terms of all-mountain versatility. I like the energy and consistency of the ski for sure. Nothing wrong with either model for your application--the Dynastar is a bit more precise and poppy out of the tail and lighter and more maneuverable in the shovel. The Dynastar also has more tip rocker, so it's a better floater, but not by much. Have fun!
SE
Definitely eyeing the Montero ar. So excited for the winter!
Don’t eye them for too long; the AX and AR series sell out pretty fast.
This ^^^
The Black Crows Mirus is not a ski for everyone, I wouldn’t use it as a carver and I didn’t like it at all despite the fact I love short turns, but it was too unstable in other uses.The one you should compare in this review is the Black Crows Vertis. A great ski that would be a good comparison against the others. Thanks for the review.
Agree. The Vertis is the Crows ski to be in here. Alas, we did not have it at the time of filming.
Great video. Looking for some suggestions for deacon skis. Currently, I have brahma 2020 88 in 180cm (5'11 and 150lbs, high intermediate to early advanced level), feel a bit hard to drive brahma and release the full power on carving. would like to add a secondary on-piste ski to pair with brahma on east coast. I am considering deacon series (76/80/84) or Rossi react 10 Ti. Can you please recommend base on my use case? leaning toward more on deacon 80 for carving needs. Thanks -K
If you have the brahma and are looking for another, I'd go with the Deacon 80. It's got a good mix of energy and stability. The other Volkl's are a bit more demanding, and the Rossignol has kind of a unique feel due to it's long camber profile--the Deacon 80 is a bit flatter overall. I'd go Deacon 80 in the 177. Have fun!
SE
Great video! Wanted to as you guys your thoughts on the volkl kanjo vs kendo. I am getting back into skiing after a 6 year hiatus. Previously skied experience 88 188cm which I have found to be too long for me and harder to turn. Northeast skier, Intermediate on the heavier side 6'2 300+. 75/25 groomer skiier. I skied the volkl kanjo over the weekend and it felt great to ski on and turning was a breeze. Loved the light playful feeling but felt a little less stable at speed..assuming because of my weight, although I always felt in control. What would you guys reccomend? Planning on demoing the kendo before I buy new skiis, but will I grow out of the kanjo too fast? Am I too heavy for this ski, I would prefer something lighter more manuverable. Thanks!!
You may find the Kendo has a lot to offer on the other side of the spectrum in that it'll be super-stable at speed, but not quite as easy to turn. If you're not skiing that fast that often, I'd go with the Kanjo, especially since you know you enjoy it.
I love skiing trees and want a good pop in my ski. Realistically i mostly ski groomers and some park with some ice in their (midwest skier).
Was looking at these skis
-black crow camox
-black crow captis
-mirus cors
-bent 90
-faction prodigy 1s
- and these
what do you think would be best for me?
Sounds like Mirus Cor skier to me! They have a very unique blend of pop, woods, park, and groomers, and are surprisingly good on ice. I'd take a square look at those skis for your application!
Waiting for the Ski touring comparison.
Hi guys, thanks for the vids, they help alot!
I think the Kanjo has a lot to offer in terms of light weight, technical skiing, and if you're interested in something wider, the QST is awesome. It sounds like you're valuing quickness and maneuverability, and in that sense the kanjo is amazing.
Love your reviews. I’m an intermediate skier and usually I go between the west coast, Europe, and japan. 90% on Piste but looking to get better and move off as I progress. Looking for an all around ski to take everywhere. I’m deciding between the Rossignol Experience 86 Basalt, Volkl Deacon 86, and Nordica Steadfast 85 DC. What do you suggest? Also, I’m 5’10” (177cm) and weigh about 165 lbs (74kg). What length would you recommend?
was thinking V10 but that Stance 84 sounds like a blast ..update: my ski rep advise of multiple blown out stance 84s ..he showed me one the came apart under foot. hard to recommend and surprised
I think Stance is a superior ski to V10, mainly because V10 is kind of locked into shorter turns. If you like short turns, then V10 is your stick.
As to the Atomic Maverick naming convention... think I figured it out when the ski-rental guy accidentally brought 86C's to me 3 times in a row when I'd asked for the 88TI's. Even having it a completely different number doesn't take away the visual confusion between the 2 skis :)
We've noticed that there's a lot of "closeness" in graphics and names throughout the industry. Add in multiple years of the same stuff, and it makes our warehouse staff nuts.
Hi Guys, I’m considering buying some Stockli skis this season I live in Switzerland and have never owned a pair which seems like sacrilege but I’ve always tended to buy lightish 95 to 105 touring skis with tech bindings. Having said that and coming of the back of a marathon watch of your comparison content this year I would agree that I’ve found myself skiing on my Volkl Deacon 84’s for the majority of the last two seasons due lack of fresh snow and lots of piste days. Ive really enjoyed getting back on the piste with a carving ski. The Montero is the ski that’s jumping out at me so the question is AR or AX and why Jeff you opted for the AX? (Love the idea of RAW pivots) Thanks for the great comparisons!
Hey Rick! Jeff here. I went with the AX because it's just that much better at linking carves than the AR. I don't plan on bringing them out on any soft snow days, so I wanted the most enjoyable and most rewarding carving ski possible, without being really narrow. Bob got the AR, which is going to function as more of an all-mountain ski for him. Hope that helps! Oh, and I ended up going with a black Pivot 14. It looks pretty killer. I would've preferred the 15 or 18, but I had a 14 coming off another ski, so figured that was easiest. Just waiting for the ideal conditions to get on them! Bob skied his AR yesterday for the first time. He opted for a Salomon STH for binding.
@@SkiEssentials thanks Jeff that's really helpful. I plan to go to a Stockli test day in January so I can try them both then.
A fundamental question in life is Deacon or Kendo :) very similar and yet very different.
Totally. Ultimately, I think a lot of it comes down to whether you like a system binding or not!
I watched up until the Navigators and then I watched the Kastle's and Stockli (just because I have them). I will try to watch the rest later. I really notice how much you guys talk about Salomon. I noticed the clips that you showed of Alta were more of a hard pack and you said that those skis were good with moguls. My experience with moguls is that I don't want the ski to be too stiff. I used to ski a couple season on my race skis and then use them for mogul skis but my race skis were softer skis (like Rossi 4S).. I would also break the tails in half going down the moguls so maybe they weren't meant for that. It sounds like those Salomon's have the stability to handle a mogul but also the flexibility to handle the mogul. I don't think I want a ski that has a ton of energy in the moguls. Also it sounds like that Salomon is a pretty light ski and that is probably what I would want in a mogul. My Stockli's in a good solid round mogul do fine. I would want something for tighter, softer moguls..
I did watch the rest of this video.. On groomers I would love to ski the Kastle 83, the Fischers, Rossi TI, both Heads and probably the Volkl on the right side just to see if I can get them to turn. Obviously I would love to ski the Stockli and the Kastle 86.
I am looking to replace my 18 Volkl RTM 86s. I love these skis for ripping groomers but they leave something to be desired in moguls and trees which I am exploring more of these days. I find the tail to grippy when swinging around bumps. Can you recommend a mid 80/90 ski that I can still tip over on groomers but has more playfulness in bumps and trees and can still plow through crud and slush? Daily driver on the east coast for someone who is 6ft 185 lbs advanced skier.
We're big fans of the Volkl Kanjo 84 and the Dynastar M-Pro 85 for that application. Great on the groomers still, but with more of an all-mountain shape and profile that's great for bumps and some not-so-ideal snow conditions.
Looking forward to this one, as I've got a bit of a gap between my old 64mm-waisted GS race ski and my 91mm daily driver. Not sure I have a use case for a mid80s ski, but maybe you'll convince me that N+1 is still valid math.
Yes and no. I don't think something like a Wingman 86 or a RC One 86 makes sense, but maybe something more playful or light? If you're looking for a twin tip, then Oblivion is your ski. Touring? Blaze 86. Got an extra $1400 burning a hole in your pocket? AR. You can always justify another ski based on application.
@@SkiEssentials Yeah, or maybe the Blaze 86 as a mogul, tracked-out trees ski.
LETS GOOOOO! I clicked like while the intro was still playing 😅😅
Bike components: AX to AXS?!? Bob, cmon man...😅🤣😂 All the SRAM wireless shifting is called AXS, road/gravel are Red, Force and Rival and MTB are XX1, X01 and GX
Ah yes, and Deacon VWerks are fantastic ski.
Bob's ski knowledge easily surpasses his bike knowledge. Let's collectively just let that one slide ;)
@@SkiEssentials As long as he keeps being that good at reviewing skis he can keep his bike knowledge to an absolute minimum if you ask me...😅🤣
Bikes, shmikes what matters most is that soon we will have snow...
love the videos, im after some skis this year. im an intermediate skier mostly cruising on blues in banff canada only get to ski one holiday a year 10 days. im 5ft7 168cm but weigh 220 lbs.
im interested in the salomon stance 80/84 does this sound like a good ski for me, and what length would u recomend cheers
Yup! You're in the right zone for sure. I think given the potential for softer snow in Banff, the 84 makes a bit more sense for your stats and application. I'd go with the 169 in that ski. Have fun!
SE
@@SkiEssentials many thanks guys 👍
I’m torn between the Stance 84 & Kanjo 84. I’m 180cm 165lbs, intermediate skier. Have always been a boarder and looking to switch things up. Mostly ski the east with an odd trip out west. 70% of the time on piste with the odd side hit, 30% in the trees. Not interested in park. Want something all mountain that can handle a variety of snow conditions. Am I on the right track with these choices? Also, what length would you recommend? Cheers!
Hello! Kanjo feels a little more responsive and precise, particularly on a groomer. Stance feels more versatile, but maybe not quite as good when carving. I think the shape of the Stance helps a lot for softer snow and off-piste terrain, which it sounds like is at least a worth-while consideration for you, so my instincts would point me towards the Stance. Hope that helps!
just came back from skiing and i just want to say this ... i am in the intermediate area , but rented (used the rental shops to try more gear!) in my last days of ski trip an mid 80 and a 110 flex ski boot ( i am a big and heavy guy) and just wanted to say what a diference between mid 70 and mid 80s ... the mid80s had way better stability and my carving skills were over the top compared to the 75 skis ( also thing got a dud of a ski and boot somehow). got a salomon q85 and i felt i could rip with it ... there was a little bit of fresh snow on the groomer. just felt that people from rentals are generaly liying to you, they feel like car saleman!
I hope that most of the shop people are looking out for your best interests, and that you have more positive experiences in the future, but yes, the mid-80's skis really do a great job in a variety of snow conditions and terrain.
Love your channel, something to nitpick - the tails were out of shot the entire video both horizontally and vertically which was frustrating when my no1 question was are the skis twin tip or at least partial twin tips.
Thanks for the feedback--we mainly try to pick up and show each ski, but it's hard to remember it all sometimes! Please refer to our ski test which has detailed pictures of all of these skis: www.skiessentials.com/2023-ski-test/
There is a bunch of low 80 "all mountains" like stance 80, deacon 80, some of the atomic Q´s i think. Could you compare these to their mid 80´s models and will there be an
We'll do an 80 and a Wide Frontside comparison video. Some of the narrower versions are built differently, while some are the same. Deacon 80 uses glass frame versus the metal of the 84, but Stance 80 is the same build as the 84, just narrower and with a system binding only option. It's a good discussion to have for sure.
Love your reviews. I’m an intermediate skier and usually I go between the west coast, Europe, and japan. 90% on Piste but looking to get better and move off as I progress. Looking for an all around ski to take everywhere. I’m deciding between the Rossignol Experience 86 Basalt, Volkl Deacon 86, and Nordica Steadfast 85 DC. What do you suggest? Also, I’m 5’10” (177cm) and weigh about 165 lbs (74kg). What length would you recommend?
I love the Steadfast 85. That ski is very impressive, especially if you're in the 90/10 arena in terms of terrain split. Carves like a dream and has versatility to boot. I'd go with the 174 in that ski--the 168 is in play if you are looking for a shorter radius and are okay with a bit less stability at top speeds.
I'm torn between the maverick 86c and the 88ti. I'm quite tall: 190cm, 90kg, so bit afraid the 86c will become vibratory at medium speeds. Always find it hard to define what 'high speed' means: I will go around 55km/h at speed. But not always.
I think your size puts you into the Ti version of that ski. It's not too demanding for a ski with metal, so I think you'll do just fine there. Yes, I do think the 86C will be pretty chatty at speeds for you.
Perhaps the Ripstick 88 could be added to this list as well.
It sure could! It would sit right there with the Armada 88 C and the Atomic 86 C. Elan just didn't make anything else that would go in the 90 mm wall, so we put it in there instead:
www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2023-ski-comparisons-mens-90-mm-all-mountain-ski-guide/
I'm a bit late off the mark but just want to say what an excellent review and on much needed area - seems odd it's neglected to me because these cross over skis seem perfect to me for probably 90% of recreational skiers. Also like the understated delivery... as a Brit I sometimes find some of your countrymen can get a bit over excited at times!! :)
Thanks so much!
How would you compare Head eV10 and Dynastar M Pro 85 in terms of high speed ceiling and stability? Which one would suit an advanced skier better 70% piste/30% off? Congratulations for your reviews, btw
The M-Pro 85 is much more capable of a variety of turn shapes and styles while the V10 is pretty locked in to a short to medium turn radius. I like the versatility of the Dynastar quite a bit, and while the Head is a capable ski on groomers, the Dynastar has more to offer and a higher ceiling.
Atomic is selling their Q skis as a groomer that functions well on many types of snow covering. Does it’s weight and 85 mm width make it compatible with bumps and trees?? I’ m a groomer who will venture off once in a while.
Yes for the most part, the Q9.8/Q7 skis will be fine for bumps and trees because of the width, but the full-camber profile makes them want to dive a bit more than if the skis had some sort of tip and tail rocker. That's the main limitation for those skis in the trees.
Hi! As a medium-advanced skier with height 175 cm and 75 kg of weight, I would like to know your thoughts on the Maverick Atomic 86 versus the Stance 84 skis. Which one would you recommend given that I spend 70% of my skiing time on slopes and 30% in powder snow?
Thanks in advance for your answer!
The Stance is more composed in an on-trail situation while the Atomic is more quick and agile. If you're specializing in shorter turns and want that easy and quick carve, the Maverick is amazing. For more of a supple feel and less chatter, the Stance is the way to go. I think the Stance is more confidence-inspiring for your stats and application.
Jeff and all, you able to detect any difference in flex between the '22 and the '23? I guess impossible since you are likely out of '22's to compare to the '23. Blizzard took a hair off the core of the 82 and 88 for '23 (I believe also the Bonafide and Cochise) to give them a very slightly softer flex at the ends. I'm tossed up between 173 and 180 to begin with but on the '22 and prior I'd have gone 173.
Couldn't really tell. I definitely don't think it warrants a re-sizing if you were already happy on a certain length. In fact, we had it brought up to us that there was a difference--the company didn't even tell us!
For an east coat skier NY,VT just got back to skiing after being on a snowboard for 10 years. Upper intermediate to Advanced skier
170lbs
5’10
Mid 50s
Would you recommend the Stance 84 or the Navigator 85?
Thank you
Love them both, but the Stance has a special place in my heart. Easy to ski but with a high-end ceiling, the Stance 84 is super versatile and a ton of fun.
Once you experienced volkl 3d radius you kind of want it on every ski.
It is very nice isn't it?
Thanks for the video. Is the mid 70s comparison going to include Montero AX?
I believe they included the Monteros in the frontside ski category this year, so hopefully there will be a frontside video coming up.
For sure. We're going to do at least two "frontside" comparisons. One will be really narrow, like race skis and "beer league" racers, and another will be wider skis like the Montero AX. Lots of skis, so it could get broken up into three, but I expect we'll get it done in two comparisons.
My favorite ski for the east coast is the kastle dx eighty five. they stop making it this year. What do you think would be the closest replace replacement? I really liked the two sheets of metal with the round tail. I've been through about a dozen 85 to ninety millimeter skis in the last three or four years.
They do have a DX 84 for this year, which I can't tell if there's much of a difference at all. Looks a bit flatter in the tail, but still not MX style. For other brands, Volkl Kanjo has a lot of those same traits with the rounder tail and 84 mm waist--not the full metal, but still pretty sturdy. Oooh, Nordica Steadfast 85 DC--check that out for sure.
@SkiEssentials new DX seems bit different. Pu core and no metal. I was thinking about the Steadfast 85. Looks like closest comparison. But inly 1 sheet of metal. Curious if it is as stout as the kastle Dx
@@carterfan80I'm only going on what I see in the catalog as we have not seen these skis in real life yet. Catalog says Symbio woood core with PU and Titanal, so I bet it's not that different than the outgoing one. The PU is a bottom layer as opposed to how Dynastar uses it along the sides. As a bottom layer, it seems like it works more like Nordica's Pulse Core as a vibration reduction laminate. Metal layer on top, from the graphics.
@@SkiEssentials It sounds like a try before I buy type of product. Maybe I'll use my ski essentials free demo day voucher that I received as part of being a loyalty club member!
Good morning. I am an 5' 8" and 185 lbs. I am interested in the Deacon 84 and am not sur on length. I am thinking either 172 or 177. what would you take into consideration to decide on length.
I think the 177 is going to be too long. Modern on-piste skis work so well that you don't have to size up to access performance, and in many ways, the shorter lengths are way better for most skiers because of the slightly shorter turn radius and greater control. I'd go 172. have fun!
SE
How does the experience 86ti compare to the RC one 86GT? for a big boy, 6'3 300lbs high intermediate? Groomers only, I carve on hard snow/ice, but would like to be able to smear/slash in the afternoon bumps and mashed potatoes (Ontario Canada). Would this work as a one ski quiver? if not I would be looking at a mid 70mm racy carver and something like an enforcer 88. I don't really exceed 40mph, but I'm sure I can bend just about anything. My main concern is not being stuck having to rip it all the time, as I patrol my local hill and ski with my kids some of the time.
Love your videos and all the tips in the comments!
We've been very impressed with the Experience over the past two years. while you'll get more on-trail stability from the 86GT as that's a very sturdy ski, I'd think the overall versatility and performance of the Experience gives it a leg up. I'm no small skier at 6/2 225, and I loved the 185 in that 86Ti for everything from groomers to bumps and trees. I'd lean to that ski. Have fun!
Thanks Bob, I ended up ordering a Firebird HRC 182 from your site. What would be a good ski to complement that? I’m thinking something in the 88mm range, enforcer? The 88 only goes up to 186. With my size am I stuck with the 94 in 191? Will a lighter ski like a sender 94 or rustler 9 support me?
Hey. I’m a 5’7 215 (big weight lifter). I was leaning towards the Kanjo but got turned away when you guys said it’s not the best for heavier guys. What would the next best option be? I mainly ski blue groomers on piste since I’m a beginning/moderate skier. Thanks guys 👊
I think the M-Pro 85 has a lot to offer heavier skiers, but if you're looking to take it to the next level, the Rossignol Experience 86 Ti is amazing.
Thank you. Last question. How would you rank the Nordica Steadfast 85 and the Armada Declivity 82ti against the M-Pro85 and the Experience 86? It’s the other two skis I’m considering.
@@chrisedwards9064 I'd rank the Experience Ti as the highest and best performing ski overall. The Declivity is the next in terms of grip, energy, and stability. The Dynastar is the most versatile from an all-mountain standpoint. That said, the Steadfast 85 is my personal favorite of the 4 as it is supremely fun to carve on and has some all-mountain chops to it as well--just a very satisfying and rewarding ski experience.
Kanjo all the way, great review, I just bought Kanjo's from Ski Essentials and they look awesome, if you are looking for a light ski for sharp cuts, jumping into the woods, tight turns, you simply have to buy Kanjo's and Ski Essentials ships immediately and has the best prices and best expertise, they can even ship them to Killington for you. I don’t think this is the ski to use for downhill racing, speed, it’s more for the trees, cutting, short turns, having fun on the mountain and not breaking your record for flying to the tram faster than your friends.
I second that... Bought the Kanjo last season to add a ski to my collection that was more of front-side than I have, but not lose the ability to go off piste or in the bumps, or play in a little powder. A “frozen granular” day ski with versatility. I also wanted light and not a “beat-me-up” flex. Wow Volkl hit the ball out of the park with this one. A great ski for a well seasoned skier of the famed NE conditions. Also ordered them from Ski Essentials and they shipped them to my door.
@@Eddie07S Nice !!!! Have a safe and great season !
@@TimTheMusicMan And same right back to you! 👍
Great feedback, thanks!
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Have you done are will do Review of Peak 88
We have some emails in to Peak about getting on their skis. Hopefully soon!
What is turn radius of Ros experience 86ti?
In the 176, it's 16 meters.
what does the Navigator lose by going to carbon from the Titanium? Does is still have the great edge hold off the TI version?
It lost a bit, not a ton. I liked the smoothness of the Ti Hex Bridge laminate and the carbon stringers just don't bring the same damping to the table. They're energetic and poppy, but it ends there in terms of performance.
is the edge hold and hard snow carving still there?@@SkiEssentials
Not as much, unfortunately. Check out the new Nordica Steadfast 85, though--kind of brought the carving back to the mid-80's.@@billpoulakis1741
I am going to use it as a teaching ski so I hope at low to moderate speeds it will be ok. I loved my old 85TI, I hope this one skis similiarly@@SkiEssentials
how about the BC Vertis?
Totally wish we had it, Allen! It would have fit in great with this group. Super grippy and snappy even with a pretty basic build. Lots of positive camber, and one of our tester's and staff favorites over the past two winters.
Are the black ops 92 a good option?
They're pretty light, very snappy, and a fantastic choice for skiers looking for something playful, versatile, and at a pretty good value.
When will the stance 84 be in stock ?
We have a handful at our Killington location, you could give them a call at 802-422-3234 to see what sizes they have!
Why do you think no other brands are developing left/right skis like Elan? If they make sense why not copy and add(or subtract)?
That's a great question. I actually had this in my mind the other day skiing with the product team from Elan and totally spaced it.
Why no Blizzard Brahma 82?
That ski snuck into our frontside group for this year, among a few other 82's that we felt fit well in this selection.
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Deacon 84s make me a better carver than I really am.
Ha! Love to hear it.
No Brahma 82 this year?
That ski will fit nicely into our ~80 mm comparison video.
What's the best bump ski?
I come back to the Volkl Kanjo 84 as a great option in this group. We also are seeing a new Volkl Blaze 82 for 2024 which is a light, narrow, and non-system ski that was very impressive in the bumps.
@SkiEssentials what about the armada 88s
@@bradl1369 While not quite as quick as the Blaze, the Declivity 88C is a very maneuverable option. The shovels are pretty wide, so there's some deflection when driving the tips into tighter bumps, but overall, it's right up there with some of the best bump skis on the market today.
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Mid 80 is not «all mountain», but «all slopes» in my opinion. Its like calling a urban cafe latte SUV a terrain car/ Land Rover.
Interesting distinction!
Oh boy is this great!❄️⛷ me and a 4pack of Suzi Greenberg are going to enjoy my favorite category.
Other than the AR, what's your pick?
Too many good choices stuck on Kanjo vs Stance right now