2024 Narrow Twin Tip 84-96 mm Ski Comparison with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Not quite as much skiing footage in this one as we'd like, but we had a lot of fun discussing the differences between these different twin tips ranging from 84 to 96 mm underfoot. Enjoy!
Written Comparison: www.skiessentials.com/Chairli...
0:00 - Intro
2:15 - Head Oblivion 84
8:30 - Atomic Bent 85
14:00 - Volkl Revolt 86
20:30 - Faction Prodigy 1
27:20 - Liberty Helix 88
32:30 - K2 Sight
37:45 - Armada ARV 88
44:00 - Line Tom Wallisch Pro
49:10 - Volkl Revolt 90
55:40 - Black Crows Captis
1:01:10 - Dynastar M-Free 90
1:06:20 - Faction Studio 1
1:10:40 - Atomic Bent 90
1:15:15 - Elan Playmaker 91
1:19:50 - Line Chronic 94
1:23:30 - Armada BDog
1:28:30 - Armada ARV 94
1:33:20 - K2 Poacher
1:39:10 - Volkl Revolt 96
Oh man, that's the video I've been waiting for. I love all of your vids. Some of them I watch 5 times within a month to get to know skies better. You rock, best ski reviews in the whole universe!
I learn so much from y’all. So, so helpful, both in terms of understanding what equipment is appropriate for me, but also how I can ski better on what I have.
This channel is so underrated! Great reviews and so entertaining 😊
Picked up the oblivion 84 after watching your videos and I'm amazed. Upgraded from an old all camber twin i broke and wanted something similar, but didnt expect such high performance, these are about to take my skiing to the next level. If your an east coast skier these grip ice so well when everyone else is struggling. Super stable at speed/landings, quick edge to edge, and incredible in the bumps. Thanks for helping me choose a ski!
Awesome! This 84 is a sleeper for sure. Enjoy!
The holy grail of all ski test reviews!!! Can't wait to get out on my new Armada arv94's second guessing if I should have got the Playmakers now.
Nah, both are great. You could second guess any ski decision. Ski the ARV and have a great time.
Great channel
Hi guys. Just wanted to say a big thank you for all your really good ski tests and comparisons. I recently bought the ARV 94 as my second ski based on your 25 minute test and I am super stoked to try it out. I was looking for a light and playful ski to complement my heavy 72mm under foot front side ski. On firm days I like to go fast and carve but not everyday is perfect snow day and I wanted a ski where I can go switch, jump off small features in the terrain and generally just have fun. And maybe I will start going into the park as well for a bit. And in that decision process your videos are incredibly helpful. Especially since in my opionion every ski tester in Europe tends to just test the top models of really narrow high performance groomer skis like GS and Slalom skis. I feel like here in Europe most people are having skies that too narrow and have too much performance for their level and I am probably no exception. Even though I love to charge the Deacon 84 or K2 Disruption 82 Ti will most likely will fit me better. So thanks again, I will always come back to your videos. Have a nice ski season everyone!
Thank you so much, and we hope you LOVE your skis!
I do believe you’re correct in Vanular being credited with the first couple 2 pretz 2s on video at least. Just to catch one very nerdy minuscule detail in a very varied and nuanced long for video. Great job as always guys!
Been looking forward to this one! Apprecite the little comments about the mounting lines on each ski.
You bet!
Hey guys, thanks so much for all the amazing ski reviews! I’ve been on the search for a pair of twin tips to suit my wants and needs and was wondering if there was a more appreciated way of asking a longer question for you guys rather than RUclips comments, unless of course RUclips comments work best. Thanks so much!
We generally can respond within a few days on YT--ask away! For more immediate assistance, please call our customer service staff at 877-812-6710. We all have/use the same information so feel free to ask them your questions as well!
Hi love those videoes!🙌🏼 Tryna choose between the Revolt 86 and 90, which on of those will be more versatile as an park ski for all mountain use to times?
Your splits of 60/40 indicate more of a 86 to me. Keep in mind, too, that the 90 is fully symmetrical, and that doesn't always translate to good all-mountain style. The 96 may be on the wide side for your park preference while the 86 is super easy and fun to handle.
Whats ypur opinion on the Bent 90 vs Black Crows Captis vs ARV 94 for a fun allround ski that does well on- and off-piste but that also allows for fun stuff like doing 360s on sidehits and just overall playfulness? I am also not a beginner, been skiing for 20 years now- some say that the Bent is more of a beginner/intermediate ski 🤔 Great video, thats a lot for that!
Captis has more beef than the Bent but it's not quite as poppy as the ARV. That ski has more snap and energy than the other two, so if you're looking for built-in rebound, ARV is great. Bent is on the more flexible side of the spectrum, so that's why it's a great choice for less aggressive skiers, but the ARV and the Captis have that next level of performance.
This vid is absolute
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Such a good video, thank you guys! I don’t ski much park anymore these days but still enjoying jibbing off the side of the piste, 180s etc but 90% of the time am carving fast on piste. Essentially looking for a great carving ski that can handle a small bit of freestyle. I have an old pair of 2018/9 Faction 2.0 CTs which I’m relegating to be more my off piste ski, so am looking at either the faction prodigy 1 or ARV 88 to be that ski. Any thoughts on which might be better for this and/or if any other skis in this lineup match that description?
I'd add the Oblivion 84 to the mix--that ski is built really well and feels strong and powerful for how freestyle-oriented it is. The ARV is pretty darn light to hold up to faster on-piste carving. Faction is nice, but not as energetic as the Head. I'd also add the Captis in as another full sidewall, real ski in this range.
I love the hornet on the Revolt 96, the scorpion is not my favorite in the 86 tho, but something about the stripes the color patern and the hornet designe is super appealing to me. What I don't like about them is the implication of a left and right ski because I wouldn't be able to ski them without matching on the other side I think it looks really good when a ski has one graphic split into both ski.
Thanks for the feedback! I think the concept of making one graphic through two skis is a tough one. I like it when they are similar but not necessary in order to make a cohesive "picture"
I just came back off a skiing holiday in Are, Sweden. I tried out some skis there (K2 poacher and the Volkl 96 revolt) I loved them both and I ended up choosing the volkls as i prefer them more, they both are awesome but the design made the 50/50 into a 49/51 into buying the volkls
Sounds great!
Hey Guys, great video! Which ski would you recommend for someone who mostly skis fast on groomers but also likes to get more creative every once in a while (riding switch, side hits, hit a few jumps in the park)?
We've been very impressed with the Oblivion 84 for this application. I also think the Prodigy has a lot going for it, but the Head has the burliest construction of this grouping.
What about the Icelantic Nomad 90's?
Just split sidewalls on a pair of 2018 Prodigy 2.0's, so I've been working my way though your videos looking for something to be my next mid 90's rail/soft snow/all-mountain ski. Trying to figure out if another Prodigy 2.0 would work or if I should go ARV 94, or Fischer Nightstick. I spend 50-60% of my time in park but I like linking carved turns and skiing trees and bumps too.
I'd go with the ARV 94--that ski has a wonderful blend and mix of park and all-mountain. Still has some oomph to it while being pretty light and mobile.
Great video! Which one of these have the most grip? I often need to ski on sheet ice where I live..
Probably Oblivion 84
Hi! Do you know the Hagan Boost 99 x pow skis and how would you compare them with the Atomic Backland 100 or Blizzard Zero G 105? Thanks!
I just looked them up and they don't seem all that different from the other two skis--mix of light paulownia wood and some carbon. Can't imagine there's light years of difference here.
Hey guys, fantastic video(s) and helped a ton in working out what I want to look for in ski's... got myself down to a few options and would love a bit of advice.
I'm an experienced skier, mostly groomers but with some off piste mixed in when the snow conditions in Europe allow, now looking to get a bit more into park skiing and generally jibbing about the slopes. I'm quite light and a fairly relaxed skier, 184cm, and enjoy carving but rarely hit properly high speeds, and am kinda looking for a one-ski-quiver setup.. Sadly due to living in the UK getting a chance to demo is tough, although I did mange to try out some Ripstick 88's and Chronic 94's during a trip this year and found them very fun.
Torn between the Captis, the Playmaker and the ARV 94 - mostly concerned that the playmaker will be too soft for throwing at the usual hard pack and ice we seem to get in europe lately, the ARV is a bit too much of a park focussed ski, and the Captis might be a bit heavy for me. Any thoughts?
Thank you :)
Even though the Captis is on the heavier side of these skis, it's still not that heavy--the 178 is 1806 grams. It feels sturdy, but not demanding. I think if you enjoy carving and are looking for a one ski setup, the Captis has a whole lot of upside. The ARV is right there, just a bit less grippy and stable, but more poppy and energetic.
@@SkiEssentials That's the push I needed to settle on the Captis, thank you very much for the advice and crazy quick reply! 😁
Great channel. So comprehensive reviews. Even here in Europe I check them before buying skis :). (btw Volkl is pronounced Foelkl).
Excellent job guys!
Wow, I’m really enjoying watching these and refreshing my memory on skis. I started skiing as a kid and started riding park as a teenager and did for many years.
After university I completely stopped skiing. It’s been 8 years now and I really want to get back on the slopes! My old beat up K2 Disorderly need replacing. Now I need to figure out what the best ski is for me! I obviously won’t be riding park as hard as I used to, but just love the feel of a freestyle ski. Love riding bumps, woods, some light powder and of course I still want to hit a few rails and jumps every now and then! Maybe something fast that also carves well. Any recommendations? I’ve been eyeing the Head Oblivion 84 and the Atomic Bent 90… would these be a good fit? The Black Crows sound niceeee.
The Captis is a very good ski. It's a twin tip for people that don't really ski park anymore, and that kind of sounds like you! It's a bit sturdier than the Bent 90 and a bit less park oriented than the Oblivion 84. You have three great choices here, but I do think the Captis stands out as being extremely well-rounded and high-quality.
@@SkiEssentials I appreciate the response and input. The captis does sound like a good fit for me!
great video but i have a question.
would you recoment the atomic bent 90 when I also love do drive on the piste?
thank you
It's not the best carver of the group, but for how fun it is, it's totally manageable. The Captis is one of the better on-piste skis of this realm.
Absolutely love these videos! Thanks for raising my ski IQ. Question: I’m a former Palisades race and freestyle team skier who now skis the icy hills of NY, so I love carving but also love moguls and park. I also need to GET to the park down a wall of ice. Prob 60/40 all-mountain to park ratio. Any advice between the ARV 94, Poacher, Prodigy 1/2, and Captis? Or something else? Thanks!
I think if you're prioritizing getting down a wall of ice and are leaning more to the all-mountain side, I'd lean to the Poacher or Captis--these skis have some oomph to them and inspire confidence in technical zones and in less than ideal conditions. I love the Captis at 90 mm underfoot, the Poacher feels a lot like it, only wider and slightly more rockered/tapered for softer snow performance.
Thanks!
Full on YARD SALE 43:27 Fun!! :-) Love it. - Poll, yes take out the animals. Agreed, right and left comparison on Volkl with the graphic.
Sometimes that happens! Nice to laugh about it for sure.
Great video guys! I can't decide between the Atomic Bent 90 (166cm long) and the Faction Prodegy (164cm long) ski. I'm 175cm tall and my weight is 78kg. I'll ski a little more in the park, but the ski should also perform well and be fun to play on the piste. Would be great to hear your thoughts :)
There's some more oomph to the Prodigy, as it uses a blend of ash and poplar wood. The Bent is lighter and more flexible so I'd give a bit of a performance edge to the Faction, all while it still looks like a more traditional twin tip with more splay.
Is the TWP one of the best park skis or is one of the Armada ARV, Faction Prodigys, Völkl Revolt or Atomic Bent better? I'm very unsure but I would lean towards the twp and prodigy 1. If I were to theoretically take the twp, which binding setting would be the best (2+?).
Thanks
The Line has the most direct park influence as it is a pro model. If you're looking for pure park performance, I'd lean that way. The closer to center you get, the more you're emphasizing that park balance.
Hey Jeff / Bob
Been watching alot of your reviews this year and love the content. Im looking to get a pair of the Volkl 96s or the ARV 94s. I ski mainly On/Off piste, hitting natural terrain features and skiing switch. Would really appreciate your opinion. Currently using a pair of 2015 K2 sights. Thanks!
I really like the stoutness of the Revolt vs. the lighter weight of the ARV. If you want something that feels a bit like the Sight in terms of heft/durability, I'd go with the Volkl. Very smooth and fun skis!
@@SkiEssentials Yeah - thats what i thought also. Ended up going for the ARV's for a change. Going from a helfy sight at 169 to a ARV 94 at 178 will be fun for sure! Thanks for your feedback.
So comprehensive! Would you mind please tell me how to choose revolt 86, line twp or armada arv 94? I have been skiing and carving on piste for 2 years and I am new to freestyle and freeride, want to ski more off-piste but not that powder, and study some little jumps and butter/gibb. Thanks!❤❤
I think the Armada has the most versatility. It's got a great blend of on and off-trail capabilities and still with a big park focus. You can easily jump and butter on these skis and they have a high end ceiling as well.
Awesome reviews guys you are making, super helpful, thanks for that!
I am an intermediate skier going off-piste from time to time with roughly 60/40 groomer/off-piste ratio.
I am planning to start exploring the park hence have been looking for a twin-tip. Based on your review, I am leaning towards Black Crows Captis or Fraction Prodigy 1 or Armada ARV 94. Which model (and size) would you recommend? Other suggestions are very welcome too. Should I consider wider skies too? I am 172cm/65kg (5’8/144 lbs).
Also, which bindings would you recommend?
Thanks a lot in advance!
I think the Captis is a special ski because it pulls double-duty better than most. It's incredibly satisfying both in and out of the park, as well as having a high-end versatile feel in both on and off-piste situations. The ARV has a lot of similar characteristics, but does so at a lighter weight. There's a bit of a loss of stability here, but not a ton. Prodigy feels a bit non-descript to me while the others have more zest. I think Captis is the way to go and any of these skis in the low 170's is fine.
I’m a intermediate to advanced 6’3” skier 190lb. Im in between skis right now. The 23 black crow captis and the 23 Volkl revolt 86. Looking for an east coast ski and to slowly murge into the park. Also looking for something that can carve well at high speeds. Any input.
The Captis will offer the higher performance ceiling as it's a superior construction to the Revolt. For your stats and application, I'd go with the Captis in the 184, especially if you're looking for that stability in a carved turn.
i’m in the market for a symmetrical park ski as i’ve usually preferred center mounted skis especially for park. i can’t decide between the revolt 90 and faction studio. do you have any extra notes about the two that might help me decide?
The Studio uses a full carbon weave and a carbon/rubber stomp pad. These additives make it a bit more sturdy and energetic than the Revolt 90. If you're looking for a stronger ski, I'd lean to the Faction.
i’m looking for a light ski that can carve a turn but also is playful and flexible. dynastic m free 85 might be my best best? any of ther recommendations?
Great choice! I'd add the Volkl Kanjo to the list as well as the Black Crows Vertis.
What would you say is the most playful ski out of these? Currently leaning towards the line chronic for a 80/20 all mountain and park ski for Australian conditions, but would love some insight on what you guys would recommend. Cheers
Tough to go against the Chronic, but the TW Pro is right there as well. Playmaker gets a vote too from a light/quick perspective as well as being flexible and playful for creative skiing.
Oh boy is this great !❄️⛷ Happy Thanksgiving
Hey guys, I m looking for a Twin Tip ski and I dont know if i should choose the Head 94 or 84. I m want to be in the park most of the time but also a little bit sidecountry and between trees. Thanks for any answers.
I think the 84 is more park and all-mountain oriented. The 94 is more flexible, and when coupled with the added width, makes it a better option for trees and soft snow. I'd lean to the 94 for more overall versatility.
Thoughts on the armada arv94 vs arv88 on east coast resorts? Beginner- intermediate skiing level.
The 88 is more meant to be a park/freestyle specific ski due to the higher camber and more symmetrical shape. It's fine for an all-mountain format, but the 94 is shaped in a way that's easier to turn and to be more versatile. If you're looking for a slightly quicker and more poppy ski, the 88 is great, but there's probably more to like overall out of the 94.
looking at either the atomic bent 90 or the arv 94 - what would you daily are the main advantages and disadvantages of choosing one over the other?
the ARV has more snap and pop to it while the Bent is more flexible and amenable to less aggressive skiing. ARV has more of a park profile, but that doesn't mean it can't rip all-mountain as well.
Hi guys, as an advanced/intermediate skier(173cm, 170 pounds athletic) on the east coast (Quebec) with a pair of Armada declivity 82Ti already, I was looking for a playful all-mountain ski that I could hit natural terrain jumps/side-hits/ski switch with and probably start bringing into the park more. Im stuck between the Elan Playmaker 91 and the ARV 94. Even if I know carving and charging is most likely not the highlight of these skis, at my weight would both these skis be able to handle decent speeds? Im open to other suggestions also!
Great Review
Thanks!
Neither particularly excel in carving and charging, but I'd say the ARV has some more heft and power here for more assertive skiing. On the slightly burlier end, I'd check out the K2 Poacher as well!
So would you say the Oblivion 84 handles the best for an aggressive charger? I currently ski the Bent 90, thinking about adding another ski.
Yes, it feels like a far more substantial ski than the rest of the skis on this wall.
Hi, What would be your top 3 skis for 80% grooms and 20% park with twin-tip?
For some fun carving and switch-riding with the family.
Ooo, good one! I love the build of the Oblivion 84--very much a fun carver on the groomers. I'd also go on the wide side with the Revolt 96--that one makes very clean and round turns. In the middle, the Captis is about as complete of a twin tip as you're going to get--very well made and incredibly versatile.
A little question for arv 88. Should I mount the bindings on the freestyle line for a maybe 50/50 park and off-piste(trees and groomers) ski? What I understand is the freestyle recommanded line is already a little back from the true center and not for 100% park, and the factory recommandede line is way too far from the true center, am I right? looking for your reply thx!😆🥳 By the way, I am 183/80kg and I will go with a 176.
Correct, the freestyle line is -2.5ish from center. Should be good for not 100% park.
Hello, I'm looking for new skis. I mainly ski on the slopes but occasionally venture into the woods or snow park. I prefer a playful ski but want to carve as well. I've been skiing for 14 years and consider myself very skilled. I'm 1.83m tall and weigh 95kg. I'm currently considering the "Blackops 98" or the "Blackcrows Captis." Any other or better suggestions?
I'd put the Camox rather than the Captis on the level with the Blackops, especially if you're looking for more of a mid to upper-90's twin. I love the Camox and it's ability to make a variety of turn shapes and styles, and while the Captis is great, if you're looking for some more width, I'd lean to the Camox.
which one should I go for, if im not often in the park, but want a suitanle all mountain ski to have fun with friends with and be able to enjoy off pist or jump sessions as well as on the pist? Thought about the Prodigy 1 or the ARV 88
There's some more all-mountain potential in the Prodigy than the ARV--that 88 is more at home in the park and has a very freestyle-oriented character. I think the Prodigy may have more to offer you and your application.
Hey i got two pair of skis my first ones Head oblivion 94 - 163cm (for park/all mountain) and k2 reckoner 112 177cm (for pov/all mountain) - iam 178cm. I started to feel that i want to have fully park orentied skis (maybe something softer than oblivion 94) but for sure longer! and iam lost in what i should get next and what lengh is it supposed to be +-170cm or my height? I was thinking about line tom wallisch pro/k2 sight and poacher/faction prodigy 1 - any suggestions? I used to own Revol 87 169cm but for "no reason" i sold them instantly after my all mountain experience with them and not the park :D
I'd take a look at the Revolt 90 if you're looking for a fully park oriented ski. I'd say the 174 would be good in that ski. Symmetry is a beautiful thing when it comes to twin tips!
hi guys! great video again. i have the faction mana skis and i want a narrower, responsive,stiff twin tip ski that can carve, but also jump and slash turns. i was thinking about the faction studio 1 as a good option. i will mount them at progressive mount point because i am a directional skier and have done the same with my mana skis and might feel better as i like to put more pressure on my shins, even if i'm quite balanced skier, but not really good enough to ski centered. what would be another good recommendations? interested in a more piste oriented ski but i just like the twin tip shape (i don't like the locked in feeling of the tail of a directional and stiff ski) and already have faction mana 2, 3 and 4 and i really like their feeling (all mounted on progressive, great for freeride) but really interested in on piste performance and control in turning shapes and good for jumps and landings and i want something to complete my quiver of skis, as the others are really slow to turn on piste and not very enjoying on icy groomer days. also thought about k2 sight and dynastar as a good option
I like the sound of the Studio 1, the only hesitation is the symmetry, but if you're used to Mana's shape and style, there's not a huge difference here. The Sight is slightly stiffer and holds up better. The Dynastar isn't quite as twin tippy so I'd narrow focus to the Sight or the Studio, but it does sound like you have an affinity for the Faction skis.
Great video! Just have a question. I am an average/advanced skier and love to carve and do some jumps on the piste or ski backwards, so most of the time i am on the piste and not off piste. Would you guys still recommend the Bent 90? And i am 1.80 meter would you recommend the 175 length? Thank you :)
You sound like a Bent 90 in the 175 skier to me! If you're looking for a bit more of a step up in sturdiness, I also really enjoy the Black Crows Captis.
@@SkiEssentials thank you very much. You guys are awesome!
Hello, what would be the best ski to het into park but still do most on piste riding? Idk between the Prodigy 1, bent 85 and m free 90...
I'd say the Prodigy is the smoothest of the three on-piste while the Bent is a bit heavy and the M-Free is kind of not really as much of a twin tip at the 90 mm waist width--it is a bit more directional than the other two.
thanks a lot, i won't really be skiing switch that often, and am 78kg for 1m73. A great skier, what would be your recommended?@@SkiEssentials
Which one of these would you pick to complement an Elan Ripstick 96 Black Edition for a an expert tall and muscular skier (190cm / 95kg) to ideally be very powerful at high speed and also have some fun in the park?
If you have a 96 and are looking for something powerful and park-like, I'd check out the Black Crows Camox of the Faction Prodigy 1. Narrow enough to make a gap in your skis and sturdy enough for high speed cruising.
Where should i bind my bindings on the atomic bents 85?
There should be a factory line on the ski, I'd go with that one.
among these that you have shown which is the most flexible, playful and the one with which butters come best
Thanks
I'd say the Playmaker 91 is right up there with the most flexible and playful on this list.
Is there no way to get your hands on a pair of bent 90s 22/23 model? (I know the 23/24 model is basically the same ski I just love the pattern of 22/23)
google search and luck, at this point.
Would any of these work well for short/quick turns? Is something more narrow easier? Current daily is line optic 92. So not sure if I need to get a second set of skis
Many of these skis excel in this department. An outstanding one for me is the Volkl Revolt 86--that's one of the more energetic and quicker turning skis I've ever been on and certainly worth a look if you're moving in that direction.
thanks!
@@SkiEssentials
HI I have revolt 95 from 2021 i think and they litlle bit to stiff for me and I want to buy new skis now i can’t decide between k2 pocher and line chronic what you guys think
Im a park skier i like jumps and rails but also i like to be outside of the park around trees gaps
Im like 6ft 195 pounds thanks for help
The Chronic will be a better choice if you felt the Revolt was on the stiff side--the Poacher is more dense than the other two. I'd say the 178 will be a good size for you in the 94.
Thoughts on the Armada ARW 84? They aren't in this video, maybe you don't like them or too much of a budget ski? I tried the 96 today and while I loved them I thought they were a bit too wide for me maybe. I am already comfortable on black slopes, icy slopes, moguls, am starting to discover the park with jumps and boxes (boxes at a low level still haha) and I love playing around the slopes and now learning to ski backwards. I also still really love carving and going fast on the groomers though, but I don't want 2 pairs of skis or have 100% park skis! And I also love the pow but very rarely, so I'm not focusing too much on that.
The 84 is a different build than the wider skis in the ARV line--we use the 84's in our shop as a high end lease ski, but they do work great for a lot of skiers who are park and all-mountain oriented. They're heavier and more durable than the 88, for example, so this makes it a good option for those that are looking for a good knock-around ski for variable conditions and terrain as well as the park.
Happy thanksgiving boys!
Thank you and to you!
Would you be able to do a a quick comparison for Elan vs chronic vs arv I’m looking for fun twin tip that can still rip crud it would be a companion ski to my declivity 102ti which I would use for any day with some snow on the ground and then use this ski for bad conditions where I usually just want to mess around and not charge as much
The new Chronic is the most freeride and least park-oriented of the three. The Elan's are very light and quick and flexible, with the ARV just behind. If you're looking for some more thickness underfoot, I'd go with the Line.
@@SkiEssentials thank you, you guys are the best
Hey lads. I’m currently looking to get a HEAD twin tip. I’m wondering if you would have any advice on if I should go for the 84 or the 94. I’m in the process of getting my Lv2 teach and Lv1 park teach and as I have already got a good pair of carving skis I’m wondering what one to get. Ik you mentioned the 84 are good for instructing but does that cover all aspects or just in the park also how good are they at all mountain and powder? As I’m thinking to get the 94s and my current carving skis and have 2 sets but if I can just take 84s it will make it a bit easier. Also what length would you recommend as my current carving skis are 177 and I can get either 170 or 177 for the twin tips. Ik a shorter ski would be better for park but if I’m if teaching all mountain would it be better to get a longer ski? Thanks.
The 84 feels more substantial, even though it's narrower. The 94 definitely feels more versatile, but if you are looking for something that can carve and double as a park ski, the 84 is pretty awesome. That said, you will get more soft snow performance from the 94 for sure. I'd say the 177 is still the way to go if you're used to it.
Which would you choose for telemarking between the BC Atris and the Atomic Bent 90?
The Atris is pretty wide compared to the Bent 90 so there's a bit of a difference here in terms of skis. If you're in deeper snow, I'd take the Atris, but for more all-mountain skiing, the Bent 90 is ideal.
The Line twall pro Are the lightest park Skis in this collection right? And i got another question, whats lighter the Line honey badger 2022-2023 or the 2024 Line twall pro?
Check Soothski.com for all of these measurements--they really do a great job.
@@SkiEssentials wow! Thank you so much! This helped allot👍😄
Whats up boys! I'm in between the Faction prodigy 1, Bent 90 and the Captis. I like jumping around on and off the groomers and enjoy some of my time in the park about 30/70 in favour of the groomers(EU). Which would you guys recommend in this case? I'd say im a pretty avarage skiër but like going fast and doing some fun jumps. Appreciate your advice!
I'm a fan of the Captis, especially if you're putting a bit more emphasis on the groomers--that ski has a smooth and stable feel to it that the others don't quite have.
@@SkiEssentialshad the chance to test the Captis in CO yesterday. Really liked the stability for a twin tip, but thought it lacked a bit in carving. Thoughts and/or have any recommendations for similar skis but with better carving?
@@ck_defender You may have to move to the less twin-tippy side of the spectrum, so the QST 92 from Salomon or the Line Blade Optic 92 are in this zone.
@@SkiEssentialsbetween the Prodigy 1, bent 85 and m free 90. Wich would be the best for mostly piste and a bit of powder and park?
Of these skis, what would be your “top 3” for skis that would be great for spring bumps (Killingnton specifically haha)
I'd put in big votes for the Bent 90, Captis, and Playmaker 91. Love these skis in the bumps.
How would the Armada ARV 94 compare to the 4frnt switch as a lightweight all mountain freestyle ski? Also, what is the weight of an ARV 94 in a 185cm?
The ARV 94 in the 185 is 1933 grams per ski. The Switch 184 is 1760, so there's a decent gap in weight here. If light weight is what you're looking for, it's tough to argue against the numbers.
@@SkiEssentials thank you!
Armand’s arv 94mounting line difference? Between freestyle and factory?
The freestyle line is about -2.5 from center and the factory is another -2.5 from there.
Another great video guys. With all the talk about mount points and how they can really affect a skis performance, why don't banding makers produce bindings with adjustable positioning (like a rental or demo set up) for skis in this category. I know Marker used to produce the Schizo's (I have a pair on my Nordica Helldorados), and back in the day, Ess VAR's could adjust forward and back, but I don't see anything for consumer use today that would allow the skier to easily adjust binding location based on the terrain they were skiing.
The Schizo added some weight and wasn't terribly simple, and that ESS was about as clunky as it gets (I had them!). If customer demand for this type of binding grows, I'd imagine we'll see something like the Schizo again.
Hello! I am an advanced skier (not expert i would say) and I am searching for a pair of skis for this season. I like to carve and focus on nice technique while skiing but I also want something that doesn't slow me down off piste too much so I can still have fun in a bit of powder and in the trees. I would say I am searching for something 60/70% piste, 40/30% of piste (also preferable a twin-tips because i just started in the park) . I have been watching some of your reviews and I am trying to decide between the Faction Dancer 1 and Black Crows Captis. Which one do you think it's a better fit for me? Feel free to recommend any other a part for those two if you think it's a better choice! best regards from Barcelona
I’m no expert but I own both skis The faction is a piste killer but not necessarily a great performer off piste Where the captis you can almost take anywhere A solid all mountain ski fun to carve with does well with some soft stuff
The dancer 1 is more for groomers
I love both But they are very different performers
@@KA-ne2etthank you very much, extremely usefull
Agree with above post!
Hey guys what about nordica 85 steadfast dc u reviewed that one but it is not here, are those all better option then nautica? Tnx
The Steadfast doesn't fall into the twin tip category, so if you're spending most/all of your time on-trail, then the Steadfast is fantastic. If you're in the park more, and are focused on freestyle skis, any of these will be better than the Steadfast.
@@SkiEssentials tnx, i am most of the time on trail but sometimes we go off road but just for fun not whole ski day, hope stedfast will be good for me
@@SkiEssentials if i can ask one more question, what is best for all mountain, something that is good for all surfaces? Can u recommend? Tnx
Would you guys recommend me to buy my first park-oriented skis? Would you advise me on buying my first park-oriented skis for park beginners? I'm 5 foot 9 and weigh 160 lbs. I actually wanted to buy the Head Oblivion 84 since they are on sale(but I saw the skis have some consistent issues from people who bought it) but I like the looks of the bdogs more. Thank you!
The BDog will be great. We've not heard much about Oblivion issues, but I think if you're looking for something easy to use, the BDog has more upside.
Thanks for replying to me and giving me suggestions!!!@@SkiEssentials
Which one of these is the best carver? Thanks!
Oblivion 84 or Armada ARV 94.
Is there a difference between this years and last years k2 Poachers?
2023 and 2024 poachers are the same build!
hey guys im not usre which one to pick bent 90 or bent 85 i will mostly ride groomers but i ride freeride during these runs such as butters, 360s of side hits and stuff also i would like to try some pow but its not as common where i live and there is about 10 inch most another thing is i like carving at high speeds aswell so what would be your suggestion? btw im 178 65 kg
The 90 in the 176 will be a great ski for what you're looking to do.
@@SkiEssentials thanks a lot! Also i've been struggling with binding selection aswell that wont be above 250usd any idea it seems that there are so many and i got overwhelmed by them tbh
Are arv 88s ok to mount true center
Yup! Out of only the ARV's the 88 is the most willing to accept that mount point.
What do you think about the moment sierras ?
Never skied them, but I love the look of the Moment skis for sure.
Great video I’m looking into buying a pair of skis and I can’t decide between the bent 90s chronic 94 and arv 94 I usually cruise blues and do side hits and I would like to try getting into park which ski do you guys think would be best
Go with armada bro u wont regret it
@@skr1196 What about ARV 88 or Faction Prodigy 1.0?
@@mathewmatu6094 i had the same doubt, but everyone i asked they told me faction > armada
@@mathewmatu6094 im getting a pair of 1s next week
The Armada is a bit lighter and poppier than the others--great energy here. Chronic is more flexible in the tips and tails but is relatively serious underfoot--great for cruising blues and is very playful and fun. Bent is kind of a mix of the ARV and the Chronic--if after all this and you still can't decide, the Bent is a great middle-ground choice.
Black Crows Captis vs. Armada ARV 88, to shred that mountain to pieces? Considering superspeed, bumps, jumps and to just send it to the moon? I am an expert skier and want POWER. What size and mount for someone who is 1.83m and also ski switch? Thank you gentlemen. So much appreciation for your work. Greetings from Surinam.
The Captis is what you're looking for if power is anywhere near the top of your list. The ARV is a bit too light for this application as it's more of a park-specific ski.
is the head oblivion 79 comparable to the oblivion 84?
They are pretty different skis. The 79 is a full cap construction, and it's actually pretty heavy and stiff--I'd imagine they'll last forever. The 84 has more of a traditional sidewall construction, which is pretty unique for an 84 mm twin tip, so it's got some oomph to it for sure. The 84 can double as a real ski for all-mountain skiing while the 79 is more specialized for emerging park skiers.
Is the völk86 Scorpion the sma as the crown völk86
Yup, same skis!
I’ve been skiing a pair of 2010 Salomon suspects for over a decade now, favorite ski I’ve ever owned, thing is I’ve beat em to absolute hell, what would be my best choice for replacing them? 86 underfoot 176 length
I'd go Oblivion or Sight. Both of these are extremely fun and durable with excellent edge grip and energy. Hopefully they will last you another 10 years!
@@SkiEssentials what about the arv 88? What kind of differences am I looking at between the 2, I don’t really hit rails and I do rip around all mountain a lot, I think the oblivions are going to be slightly too long
@@SkiEssentialsyou guys forgot to flex the 88s as well 😭, so I’m not sure if I’m thinking wrong and they’d be too soft
You guys should review the Season Kin! 96mm twin tip that can carve hard
This Kin looks right up our alley. If we ever get a spare minute, I'd love to ski that thing around.
Hi guys, incredible video! Just a question, should I buy Revolt 90 or 96. Im an avanced skier that want to have fun on piste and in backcountry, but I mainly want a ski that goes better on piste than on powder beacouse where I live there is no much snow.
96. The 90 is very much aimed at a park competitor while the 96 has more all-mountain and freeride versatility.
I‘m 5'5 150lbs, and a perfect intermediate skier lol. Have been hesitating between 157 and 164cm for ARV 94 for a while, please give me some advice on which one i should go with, thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the 164 is okay. The skis are pretty light and mobile so going slightly longer is going to help with stability without terribly increasing demand.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks a lot. I'll go with 164 then lol
Jeff please reply to my question about mounting points for Unleashed 98, I need your advice more than ever.
Hey I’m looking for a true park ski that’s great for technical tricks on rails and jumps. I’m 175cm and 168 pounds. Do you have a top 3 recommendations or something like that?
If you're looking for a true park ski for technical tricks, I'd stick to the symmetrical skis on this list. The Faction Studio, Liberty 88, and Volkl Revolt 90 are the top three.
Revolt 96 looks great, but why do they stop at 181cm? If Volkl made a 185cm or 187cm, they'd definitely be on my short list.
You and I feel the same. I'd get the Revolt 96 in a 187 all day. The 181 skis long, for what it's worth, but still not enough.
Harlaut ride b-dogs in Beijin big air.. it is not only a jibbing-urban ski.
Next time could you add surface skis and maybe on3ps
We're not Surface or ON3P dealers so their skis are harder to come by for us. I'd image their respective twins in this width range would fit right in!
Just bought the ARV 88 :-)
How is it? Is it a good all mountain ski? Is it a fun snappy ski good for jumps ect?
@@adambuerk88 i like it, very light, nimble , perfect for park and jumps.
Hey Jeff, please give my your best advice where to mount Unleashed 98 bindings.
A bit info about me, I'm 185cm tall and about 82kg, strong and athletic skier.
I never mount skies -7-8cm from true center.
I'm a same style of a skier like you are, but less technical in tricks and staff.
I'm not going to slide rails, I do have 4 other pairs of skies for freeride, park specific, directional all mountain etc.
I'm going to cruze the mountain, doing some jumps, 360s, ride switch etc.
I don't want to go forward than the center of camber.
But I want them to feel playful and at the same time I don't want to screw the carving performance too much.
I'm sure I don't want to mount them -1.5 from true center, cuz they have different nose and tail rocker in length and this might be too much.
Please give me you advice with options and explain in a few words why.
I've tried to reach you out in Instagram, but you didn't reply :(
And to you!
@@SkiEssentials Please reply, I need to know how to mount Nordica Unleashed. Nobody knows better than SkiEssentials - Jeff
⬇️where my TW pro gang at
Best mogul ski here?
For ripping CO moguls all day.
5’8 140
Same as the 100, but the Bent 90.
For you two to assume I can't do switch triples....
Thought that was pretty basic stuff...
Likes: Jeff and Bob reviewing skis.
Dislikes: People in the comment section wasting their time with questions that could be answered with a simple google search.
Ha! We joke about that all the time, especially if it's a time-sensitive question (note that this response is a week old).
Lot worse feelings in skiing than catching a tip switch. 1-wondering if theyll find you in an Avy 2- the slope coming out from under you as it buries you right as you realize its an avy and your already under ? wheres my bag cord ?!!, 3-first time you break your thumb skiing 4-double or single ejection in a no fall 5-getting stuck on the lift with that creepy single 6-driving to the resort booting up and realizing your skis are at home, 7- last and possibly worst, waffle huts outta waffles !!!!
Woah, you've had some bad days out there!
Hi! ⛷️Tryna choose between VÖLKLS lineup in the Revolt series.. Im 60%park - 40% all mountain. I’m just starting out park and hope to progress.
I’m looking for either 86, 90 or 96 2023/24 lineup - i find the 90 the best looking - but afraid they dont have the all mountain versatility.
i kinda hate the 96 graphics, so tryna choose between the 86 and 90s - which one will be better for versatility?
Please help me out guys - love ure content!!🫱🏽🫲🏾⛷️
Your splits of 60/40 indicate more of a 86 to me. Keep in mind, too, that the 90 is fully symmetrical, and that doesn't always translate to good all-mountain style. The 96 may be on the wide side for your park preference while the 86 is super easy and fun to handle.
Unrelated but what would be my best option to ski for cold morning, fast snow applications as a expert skier; atomic g9 (race plate non fis), blizzard firebird wrc (flat+plate), hero master LT, dynastar gs master (plate) or volkl gs master (plate).
Love the videos, never miss an upload!
The new Firebird WRC with three sheets of metal looks pretty darn sweet!