2024 Men's 100 mm Twin Tip Ski Comparison with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- It's twin tip time! We're having a great time separating twin tips into their own comparisons this season. Lots of variety in here, but all fun-loving twin tip skis that have some amount of freestyle and park influence. Enjoy!
Written Comparison: www.skiessentials.com/Chairli...
0:00 - Intro
3:50 - Armada ARV 100
10:05 - Armada EDollo
14:55 - Atomic Bent 100
20:50 - DPS Koala 103
25:40 - Dynastar M-Free 99
33:00 - Elan Playmaker 101
40:55 - Faction Prodigy 2
45:40 - Fischer Nightstick 97
50:45 - Head Oblivion 102
57:35 - K2 Reckoner 102
1:04:20 - Liberty Helix 98
1:09:15 - Line Blend
1:14:40 - Line Chronic 101
1:19:05 - Nordica Unleashed 98
1:26:45 - Rossignol Black Ops 98
1:34:00 - Volkl Revolt 104
The days are getting shorter! Thanks for giving us all popcorn material, for skis we may never ride or purchase. Cheers to the season Ski Essentials!
As Blondie used to sing: "Dreaming is Free."
I will swear by the dynastar 99mfree one of the best daily skis I've ever used for my style so happy with the whole mfree line
That’s the one I want hehe
Finally! Here's the one I've been waiting for.
can you guys PLEASE review a pair of 1000 skis
My favorite section. Thanks guys. You made my weekend.
Our pleasure!
These videos get me stoked for the season. If only it'd cool down a bit. Still in the 90s in central CA.
This video has arguably the best skiing footage of any comparison video you guys have done. At Whistler with the Nightstick, Playmaker in the park, even the Black Ops you just aced those rollers!
Thanks! That's a fun one to put together for sure.
This is a really great category of skis! My Bent 100s are a total hoot in almost all situations. Bob brings up a good point, in that some skis aren’t actually their advertised length. And a bigger skier looking for a long ski (or as in my case, looking for a ski considerably longer than anything in my quiver) could end up being really disappointed. True length may be worth mentioning in all your comparisons. You guys are always informative and entertaining.
This specific Dynastar and the Elan Ripstick series are the ones that we discuss most often. Ripsticks measure about 1.5 cm short across the board. It seems like most other skis are pretty much true to stated length.
Thanks for this! I am one of those people you referenced as getting down to the black ops 98 vs nordi unleashed 98 decision. NOT a park guy, but have had a couple pairs of twinnies and loved the ability to occasionally spin off cat tracks (etc) - and I'm all over the mountain out here in the west. Choosing the BOps for the damp/quiet ride and after 4+ decades of riding really engaging carving skis (also: demanding, all damn day), having something that's really intuitive to slip/slide/surf down the fall line - but that can handle some groomer carving - sounds like the ticket.
I got the Black Ops as well. I was lucky enough to try them in Whitefish for 2 days, a beautiful, calm, and groomed day, the second being a heavy snow storm and lots of powder. The Black Ops were amazing for both days, and I would highly recommend them. They struck the perfect balance for me between playful and cushion while also being aggressive. I could either send it down the mountain or take my time, and the skis were fine with both.
Guys! Bob said in another video if we start a lull he'll get right on his quiver video! Who wants to see Bob's quiver!😜
Good seeing that old head testing skis in the jump line. Just the perspective I needed in these reviews.
Glad you liked it!
The Unleashed 98 is sooo sweet. Great ski at Wolf Creek in Colo.
I demod the reckoners and i owned the mindbenders and I loved them I sold the Mindbender 90ti and now I think I will get the reckoners. Definitely opposites in the best ways . I want to try the 106 Mindbender to differentiate
Gets a like simply for the tag: happy twin tip day Geoff 🙂 And its about time someone (Head) made a ski that's mid fat with twin tip and virtually zero rocker. For me a really good ski will have as long an effective edge as possible, be stiff enough to go at speed and hold the edge well which you get from stiffness and camber along the whole length of the effective edge, and be a solid twin tip. That is a one ski quiver, which is what will be most versatile. But I guess this is cause I am ex racer and freestyle so I like both aspects in my ski. And lots of folks these days do not have training, so can't handle the stiff cambered ski with a little less directional stability.
Jeff can't get the smile off his face......this review is right in his wheel-house.
I think he's still smiling.
Just got delivered my Prodigy 2. HYPE
How’s the durability
getting colder up there
Jeff ripped those jumps. He nailed the 540 back flip landing switch. That was awesome. That was him in the pink and black outfit, right?
That rodeo was slick ! First I tought he was landing a bit too upfront, but he made it look so cool afterwards 😂
Cool, I'm thinking that Armada EDollo is gonna end up in my ski bag, perhaps not this year, but next. I love power skis, there is a misconception a power ski requires a very strong person, I disagree, they require technically sound skiers. What they give back is excellent feedback and precise response to their limit, such ski beg the skier to push their limits, but you're unlikely to be limited by the ski's capabilities.
Henriks also like 5'6" and rides a "heavy" ass 180 lol.
Love these videos, keep them coming! Wanted to get your thoughts, I’m looking to upgrade from Line TW pro 2017s that I bought used when i first started a few years ago. Want to get the ARV94 but not a huge fan of the graphic this year. Should I just go for the 2024 BDOGs or get the 2023 ARV96s? Also open to other twin tip suggestions if you have any. I mostly ski east coast with about one west coast trip a year, 30% park, 50% on-piste, 20% off-piste.
Do you like the looks of the ARW 94 better because I do, and it's the same ski in the same lengths. Maybe worth a look? If not, then the ARV 96 is likely a better comparison than the BDog.
Great video guys!! How do the new ARV 100s do as an all mountain ski on steeps / at speed? I don’t ski park but like the playfulness of Armadas. Would the 106 be a better option?
Keep in mind that the 106 keeps the same ash/poplar construction as last year so it doesn't get the quickness upgrade that the 100, 94, and 88 get. That said, the 100 is still very sturdy on steeps at speed, it's just not like it used to be. This puts more difference between the new ARV build and the athlete driven Edollo which feels more like the ARV 106 in terms of weight and stability.
been enjoying your content, guys, for a couple of years now, and i may have something to propose. it seems to me it would be reasonable to mention your recommendation on the binding option, since many skis on your wall are displayed without them. just mention it, shouldn’t be really a separate segment, so as not to stretch the timing of a comparison video even longer. your reviews and comparisons are a great source of information, and I tend to think that your insights on ski-binding combo would be beneficial for the folks watching
Pretty much all of our flat skis come with a paired binding on our website. Mostly, it's either a Marker Griffon or a Tyrollia Attack 14. Some Salomon Strives mixed in. Most of the skis we're reviewing are totally fine with any of these bindings in the 13-Din range.
Hey guys, first of all big thanks for all those great and detailed videos, for me your ski tests are the best of them all!
Im willing to buy my first skis after endless years of rentals and im a bit torn between the Armada ARV 94, 100 and the Prodigy 2.0.
Id say im an indermediate, sporty dude in my mid twentys and i want a fun ski for the whole mountain ( im stated in europe and ride mainly in austria ).
Im not really interested in the perfect carving ski, although i spent not too little time on groomers with my family, i see myself more in the off piste and search for every little bump on groomers to pop off of and i want to do my first steps in the park/freestyle world.
My last rental ski i had by far the most fun with was a Bent Chetler 100 but i felt it chatter and a little too loose on harder snow/icy snow.
Which of those 3 skis ( ARV 94/100, Prodigy 2 ) would you guys recommend for that usage? Im also open for other suggestions :) thanks alot and keep up the great work!
94 and prodigy 2.0 would be better in park and 100 would be the best in lots of pow
I think if you loved the Bent 100 other than a bit of rattle, the ARV 100 will be a nice move in the upward trajectory. Still light and agile, but with a bit more pop and power.
I used to ride the armada TST and beat them up pretty bad. Eventually decided that a switch to something stiffer would be good, so I bought Head Kore 93s a couple years back. Both are awesome, and I am thinking about grabbing a pair of something more playful. The Kores are awesome, but sometimes are just a bit too stiff. Armada has always caught my eye (ARV 100), but what are your thoughts on Moment Skis? The Wildcat and Deathwish look like good alternatives as well.
We'd love to get on Moment at some point this season. It's definitely the brand we get requested to try out the most.
Great review as always! As someone who is more into the freeride and trees category, with some moguls and groomers on low snow days, would you say that the unleashed 98 is a better replacement for my aging enforcer 104 free, or should I look into the 108 or potentially another ski altogether. I loved the 104's, but did find them a tad heavy and bulky on long days. Thanks!
I'd say a move to the 98 is a step in the right direction. The 108 gets a bit bulky while the 98 is more agile and maneuverable while keeping the playfulness at the forefront of the conversation.
@@SkiEssentials awesome, thanks!
Hi guys, great detailed reviews as always. I’m 180 pounds 5’11 and looking for a replacement for my blizzard peacemaker 172 that is similar playful but a bit stiffer and longer for more stability at speed in wider steeper terrain. Do you have any suggestions? Ived skied these skis a bit short as the kids have had me in the tight trees and bumps ALL THE TIME but they are older now so venturing wider. Any tips on what length skis you ride relative to your heights would be great too. Cheers.
I'd check out the Nordica Unleashed 98. There's a partial sheet of metal in here, and that allows for greater dampness and edge grip while keeping the ski playful and fun. Black Crows Camox and the Rossignol Blackops 98 make good sense here as well, with similar shapes to the Unleashed, but without the metal laminate. I'd look to the high 170's topping out at 180.
Will there be a mid-80 mm twin tip all-mountain ski comparison as last year? Or any other twin tip comparison for the lower waist.
Yes, we'll do one more covering the narrower group.
Thanks for another great comparo. I'm considering replacing my Enforcer 100's with a pair of Unleashed 98's. How does the Unleashed compare with the Enforcers in terms of powder performance? Thanks.
It's different. Not really better or worse. The Enforcer has longer rocker but the Unleashed has more camber and splay. As a result, the Enforcer delivers smoother performance while the Unleashed is bouncier. Unleashed is less demanding, so if you ever felt that the Enforcer was kind of a handful due to the weight, the Unleashed helps out in that arena for sure.
Absolutely love the reviews. I have a groomer (86mm) a playful Black Crows Captis (90mm) and even a Rustler 9 (96mm) which is a great all mountain. NOW need a good powder ski. Thinking either Faction 3 or Elan 106. Thoughts? I like them light and also, one that isn’t too stiff. Thoughts? Don’t tell my wife. She can’t understand why I need so many skis! :)
The Ripstick makes good sense here if you're looking for a lighter and more mobile ski. It's incredibly smooth and rewarding and carves quite well on groomers, too! Secret is safe here, although it is the internet.
What ski do you guys like for firm days/ 1+ week after a storm? My daily driver will most likely be the Deathwish, looking for something a little thinner to compliment it
Generally something in the mid 80's. We both have Stockli Montero's, Jeff with the AX at 80 mm underfoot and me with the AR at 84. With no new/soft snow, those are about as sweet as it gets when it comes to smoothness and carving power. If you're looking to keep things interesting in an off-trail situation, the mid-90's skis have a lot to offer, so Black Crows Serpo, Head Kore 93, and Armada Declivity 92 Ti are right up there with some of the favorites in that situation.
I see a lot of Bent 100s and 90s out here in Colorado.. I do like to drive the tip and I am still learning how to be more surfy or slarvy..
I would love to compare the Koala to my Wailers.. They both have the foundation construction.. It sounds like the big difference is the turn radius... It looks like the Koala has a longer turn radius and my guess is that the tails aren't catchy like my Wailers.. The stuff that I complain about my Wailers is that they are turny and catchy and that doesn't seam like that is the case with Koala.. The other side of it would be that if there are tons of people and you have to do a lot of turning then Wailer.. I would say my Wailers are intuitive as well and they like to do their own thing..
I would like to compare that Unleashed to my Enforcer 104 Free.. My guess is that they have a lot of similar qualities.. When you guys say that the skis need a lot of skier input I would say that is true of my Enforcers but they aren't reactionary like other skis.. There is something to be said about taking a catwalk after a grueling run and the skis don't take off.. No snow snakes are going to get me;)
I know Maverick TI is not a twin tip but how would you compare the Unleashed 98 to either the 95 or the 100? It seams like they both have metal but they are also reactionary and not as stable as Enforcers or Stormriders..
This category I am out of it and I would imagine that I am even more out of it with the narrower park skis.. As a former racer I never heard about driving the tip.. I would say that I am a traditional skier since I learned on straight skis.. I think all of the skis that I have I need to drive the tip.. I have mentioned this before as far as it is nice to be on skis that have the more traditional shape so that they don't get all catchy but I remember those snow snakes catching me on catwalks with straight skis.. I can also appreciate turny skis when the hill is crowded..
Are you going to make a video about the 2024 arv 116 jj, im legit daydreaming it considering it having 4,6,5 flex for such a wide ski
While it's not at the top of our list, if we happen to get on it during a nice snowy day, we will certainly put out accurate information on it.
Wow so early, nice video
Would you say catching an edge is more likely on the Armada ARV94 or the Bent 90s? Looking for a fun all-mountain ski, love to do some 360s while riding lines on and off the piste but I really hate skis that catch edges very easily.
There's more rocker and a more forgiving flex in the Bents, so I'd say those are a bit less likely to be catching edges.
Guys, thanks a lot for the review... We can learn a lot from you about those skis even if we sadly can't really test them all out on snow!
That said, I'm pretty undecided between arv 100 chronics 101 and reckoner 102.
I'm 172cm tall and weight about 65kg, i really like soft playful skis (coming from Blends) but i'm searching for someting that I can rip all the mountain and play around even in the park.
Due to your experience which one do you recomend?
If you like soft and playful skis, the Reckoner is more similar to the Blend. The Chronic 101 has quite flexible tips and tails but is sturdier underfoot, and this makes it a fantastic contender since you like to rip around the mountain. I think the overall performance on the Chronic 101 is a lot more interesting and exciting than the Reckoner.
@@SkiEssentials thanks for the advice! so do you think that the armada arv 100 would not be suitable?
Oh boy is this great ❄️⛷oh boy is this great ❄️⛷Back to back you guys are killing it this season !
I need your help, I’m 6’2 and i’m looking for a ski thatvis playful and can handle off piste but at the same time that is not completely lost when it comes to carving early morning on the groomer, I’m hesitating between Rustler 9, Playmake 101, Prodigy 3 or the mfree 99 ! Any idea (im skiing in the french alps) ? Thanks 🙏
I'd say the Rustler 9 is your best bet here, especially if you're bringing carving into the equation. Very versatile and fun, but also quite impressive in a carved turn. The M-Free is in second, but a bit farther away.
Can you compare the reckoner to the playmaker? I want something that skis similarly to the Elan, especially the low weight surfy feel, but I want to try something different since they broke on me. Was leaning M-Free or chronic, but the reckoners sound pretty similar at a better price point. Thanks!
I'm pretty surprised at how pricey the M-Free is, but it is a very smooth and quality-oriented ski.
Regarding Reckoner vs. Playmaker, the K2 is very flexible fore/aft but actually has some good torsional stiffness. This makes it a deceptively good carver and adept at making clean and round turns. You will find a lot of similarities here, but the Elan does have better softer snow performance, and I'd say the same about the Chronic and the Dynastar. If you are looking for a good price point, it's tough to argue with the K2.
Could you explain the differences between the unleashed and rustler 9’s please?
They're almost more similar than the Unleashed/Blackops comparison, especially now that the Rustler is wider, with more metal along the sides, and more splay in the tips and tails. There's still a longer rocker profile in the Rustler while the Unleashed still sticks to a traditional twin tip shape and style, just with the metal laminate. As such, you get more predictable and smoother on-trail performance from the Nordica while the Rustler is easier to swivel and drift in tighter spaces and softer snow.
For a person who is 85kg and 1.89 m tall, would you rather recommend the armada arv 100 or the line chronic 101, having in mind that I enjoy both park and deepsnow/freeride but also stability on the slopes while carving.
The main difference is in how/where the ski flexes. The ARV is more consistent when it comes to flex from tip to tail while the Chronic is more flexible in the tips and tails and then is pretty stuff and solid underfoot. The Chronic was one of the more impressive skis I got on last year, as it held up to its end of the bargain from a freeride perspective. The ARV still feels like it leans more to the park side of the spectrum.
You guys truly provide a valuable service especially when you consider that we can’t demo every ski ourselves. If you were to put the Nordica unleashed in the normal 100mm all mountain comparison would it then be the most turny smeery pivoty ski on the wall? I’ve been on bonafide’s (6’1 215lbs) since 2014 and would like to add something a little more skiable in the bumps/glades. Any recommendation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Yes, I'd put it that way, but it still has an incredible carving performance. It bends, but is still very damp and stable. It's certainly more turny and smeary than the Bonafide. I'd go for that in the 180.
Thanks!
What are the best all mountain ski at arount 100mm width that ca still perform well on firm snow ? I've heard the bent 100 has its limits i was wondering if there was an all mountain/freeride skis that is playful and that can still perform well on firm snow groomers
If you're looking for a ski like the Bent but carves better, I'd check out the Salomon QST 98, Nordica Unleashed 98, or the Armada Declivity 102. Lots of great skis here!
How do you compare the playmaker to the atris? Is it me or does the shape seem similar. Obviously the construction is different but just looking at it it seems like a more nimble and playful atris
You're not wrong. The spoonier shape carries through between the models especially in the tips and tails. In addition, the narrower Playmaker is more agile and has more energy due to the carbon. The Elan still feels like a freestyle oriented twin tip while the Atris has more of a freeride feel to it with the beefier build and smoother overall character.
I have kinda a big problem. I can't decide between the unleashed 98, the Camox, or the Black Ops 98.. I already have some Kastle 96ti HPs which I love, so I want a different kind of ski.
I also want a ski that does well on Seirra cement / crazy ice and a ski I can ski slow.. Whomever I ski slow I get into trouble. of the three the unleashed 98, the Camox, or the Black Ops 98, which is best on icier side country and a ski that is not so demanding that you can ski at slower speeds. What'cha think? You guys are awesome!!
I don't think this is a big problem--you are in the right zone for sure. Of these three, I do think the Unleashed has the most upside. With a mainly full metal laminate and a longer camber profile, the skis are grippy and stable. They turn great from tip to tail while remaining mobile and nimble in tough spots. The Camox and Blackops are very similar and they are a bit more slidy and surfy than the Unleashed for softer snow, but overall, the Nordica is a very impressive ski.
hey guys, thanks a lot for the detailed video.
I can't decide between the Faction Prodigy 2 or the Line Blend. I ride a lot of rails and at most medium jumps, no big ones. I would love to learn butter tricks as they are not possible with my Armada arv96 as it has too hard a flex. Which ski would you recommend? Is the flex similar between the two skis?
Thanks in advance ;)
The Prodigy is a nice middle ground between the hyper-flexible Blend and the more rigid ARV 96. If you're looking for the softest of soft for butters only, the Blend is unbeatable. For more of a mixed performance ski, I'd lean to the Prodigy.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you very much for your assessment. I will choose the Prodigy
Why does the rustler 10 not end up on this wall? Lots of people around here use em as a 1 ski quiver that still functions in the park
The Rustler 10 could easily end up in three different comparisons. We mainly try to stick to what the manufacturer is deeming the ski to be, and in this case, it's tough to argue that Rustler 10 falls into freestyle over freeride.
Love the vids but I’m having a really tough time deciding which ski to get after doing so much research. I ski half east coast and half west and I am a pretty agressive skiier that skis mainly off pist in the trees, chutes and all the hardest stuff the resort has to offer. I’ve been skiing bent 100s but they are now too small on me and I heard they don’t hold an edge well so what ski do you think would be perfect for me that has a little more edge grip and strain lining capability through chutes, but ski has that very quick turning of the bent 100 for the tight trees of the east?
I'd look at the Blackops 98 for that effect. You're getting more grip and more power, and while it does come with some extra weight, they're still very maneuverable. I'd narrow focus to that ski and see how it feels.
How’s the playmaker 101 durability after riding it on park for some time? Do the edges hold up well? What’s the most durable ski on this this that’s park oriented and has a longer length (188cm and above)?
it's tough to find long twin tips these days! Atomic Bent 100 in the 188, Head Oblivion 102 in the 189, Faction Prodigy 2 or 3 in the 189/190. So far, they seem to hold up well to rails and parks.
Thank you gentlemen, I have enjoyed your presentation on twin tip skis thoroughly, I have a question, which is important to me, and that you have not covered in your appraisals. What i want to know is, which of your twin tip skis will spray the most snow over, and completely annoy, my friend skiing behind me 🤣🤣🤣
Yes! The most important question of all! Embarrassed we omitted that information from the video. Skis with gratuitous splay are most annoying to rearward skiers. On this wall, the Oblivion 102, Unleashed 98, and Koala 103 are probably the best when it comes to tail spray.
@@SkiEssentials awesome, my old Gotamas were beasts for this 🤣
Would love to know your thoughts on the Armada Stranger 100 Zero! I just bought a 2022 model in a 180 cm length and am regretting it a bit. Think I should have done the 172cm since I'm 5'10". Any thoughts on this???
Tough to tell with this ski because it's very unique. There's not a black/white size chart for this ski, especially since it tops out at 180. If you're looking to keep stability at speed in the conversation, I think 180 is fine.
You guys talked about "A Park skier that wants All-Mountain" would be the Faction Prodigy 2.0. Could you give me some suggestions for "An All-Montain skier that wants to be able to do park a little, mostly jumps". In between the 85mm-96mm range since I ski in the east!
Great video
Move to 97 mm with the Black Crows Camox--that's a great place to be on the wide side. Narrower, Black Crows Captis at 90 makes a good option.
@@SkiEssentials thanks for the suggestion, im leaning towards the captis. Im 173cm 168lbs athletic, was wondering if I should go for the 172cm or the 178cm. Im an intermediate (learning fast, started skiing 2 years ago). Right now I was on 168cm all moutain skis that are not twin-tip
Any suggestion on skis length?
Hey I live in Colorado and I currently ski the 2022 chronics but want something better for all mountain and more float in the deep stuff. I’ve been looking mostly at the 101 chronics and the volkl revolt 104s. Is there one you would rather recommend than the other?
For an all-mountain ski, we were really impressed with the Chronic 101's ability to be both a strong on-trail ski as well as a playful freeride option. It's pretty sturdy and energetic underfoot while remaining fun and drifty in the tips and tails. Revolt has more of a quiet feel to it--not as much energy, but still a great floater in deeper snow and very predictable.
Thank you! I also looked at the armada arv 100s recently, would you recommend that over those? they seem a bit sturdier
@@alligator6651 Slightly sturdier, especially from a consistency standpoint in the ARV 100. They're not quite as flexible in the tips and tails as the Chronic, so it kind of depends what you're looking for. Overall, I'd say the ARV has a slightly higher ceiling than the Chronic.
Just demoed the Playmaker 101 yesterday and as a heavy powerful skier I can confirm the 188 has the goods. High speed carving on a hard groomer was no trouble with it and you can feel it's agility too. The 180 was no where near as strong. And neither were the Playmaker 91's in either the 180 or 188. So if you are interested in what Jeff is saying about the Playmaker 101 and you are a big guy the Playmaker 101 in 188cm is totally viable. If you are debating between the 91 and 101, the 101's are definitely the stronger ski.
Definitely found the 188 to be where it's at as well.
Great review. I currently own a kendo 88 2020 model and now looking for a softer playful ski for buttering/switch skiing and softer snow, perhaps hitting a park from time to time.
I am 6.0, weighing 200 lbs, which ski would you recommend?
For more precision, I really like the Oblivion 101. Slightly softer, check out the ARV 100. That ski has a good mix of playfulness and creativity.
@@SkiEssentials Ok, thank you, what do you think about the line chronic 101 for my purpose?
Hi guys, will there be powder ski comparison for 2024, these above 115?
Yes we'll do one on the widest skis we have.
How would a k2 poacher or 4frnt switch fit on this wall?
Pretty close. The Poacher would be right there with the Edollo in that it has a pretty sturdy build to it and is high-end athlete driven. Switch has a lot of shaping characteristics with the Fischer, so I'd put it right there with that one.
Which of these Twin Twin tips skis are good in 12 inch of powder?
The Revolt 104 is the best floater of this group with the Koala 103 right behind.
I am a snowboarder converting to skiing this year, 16 years on a board. I ride trees all day and I'm considering the origin 96, bent 100 or the chronic 101. Which would be a good ski to learn on that will let me progress right into heavy tree riding?
I should mention that I am an east coast rider
Tough to argue against any of these, if you're mainly on the east, I do think the Origin makes more sense as it's narrow and has some metal and carbon for stiffness and edge grip.
How do the Nordicas and the Rossignols compare to the Faction Mana 2.0?
The Mana is more similar in terms of build to the Rossignol--it just feels like a sturdy and quiet ski. The Unleashed has more pop and pep to it due to the camber, and the metal does keep a lot of grip. If you're more on the all-mountain side, the Unleashed is fantastically versatile and useful. If you lean to softer snow and more variable conditions and terrain, the Mana or the Rossignol make more sense.
Hi guys I hope you can help me out. This review is right for me but still can't decide on which skis to get. I am looking for a playfull freeride ski. Around the width of 100. Skiing mainly in Europe, currently looking at the k2 reckoner 102, skied that in Whistler for quite some time. Really enjoyed the playfulness of it. But not too sure if I need a ski that 'does it all' more for the European groomers and more hard packed snow in the Alps. Do you have an advice for that playfull all mountain free ride ski. Not too park oriented but like to have fun around the slope and on natural features. The Dynaster M-Free 99, Bent Chetlers and Line Chronic all seem to hit the sweet spot more or less. I am thinking of slapping on a shift binding on it to use it for some Freetouring and freeriding in general, but also having fun around the slope when it doesn't snow that much including carving some beautiful turns from time to time. Looking for that really playfull character on the whole mountain, for the groomer days I have my alpine skis. Thanks a lot, hope you can help me out! I am 6 feet tall and around 165 lbs, and consider myself an advanced / expert skier. I have a feeling this might be a bit too much to ask for, but who knows :)
The Nordica Unleashed 98 sits on one side in terms of it being a strong, carving oriented ski with some playfulness due to the twin tip shape. This ski is amazing. It's not the lightest, however, so if you're looking for a bit less metal, I do think the M-Free 99 is a great next option. I'd look to those skis in the 180 length.
@@SkiEssentialsThanks a lot! You wouldn't recommend the bent chetlers or line chronic due to its less carving capabilities?
I would recommend either of those, but they're considerably more playful than the Unleashed specifically and more in line with the M-Free. Lots of great options here. @@WardWillems
For the bent 100, if I am 170cm tall and 155 pounds, intermediate skier, should I get the 164 or 172 length? I ski in the pnw whistler majority of the time, ski bit of trees, moguls, on and off piste
I'd go 164 based on your stats and application. Have fun!
@@SkiEssentials great just ordered one, what would you recommend for a binding?
@@kingluk812 We pair them with either the Marker Griffon or the Tyrolia Attack 14--both work great!
Curious if Jeff has ever tried the ON3P Jeffs (not just for the name) or, if not, if he has thoughts about how ON3P Mangos/Jeffs compare to Reckoners?
Ha! Jeff hasn't skied the Jeff so it's tough to compare to Reckoner. The new 102, though, is his new favorite park ski.
7 blunt was a nice one
Thanks!
How and why dont you have candides ski here?
We did not have them at the time of production, unfortunately! The 121 made it into the Powder Comparison, though!
No faction mana 2?
We touched on it when discussing Prodigy--we just didn't have it in stock to include.
@@SkiEssentialsah I missed that at first but went back and caught it. Very helpful commentary even though the ski wasn't on hand. Thank you!
My Reckoner 102 fell apart on me faster than any ski I’ve ever owned. First ski I have owned that was made in China.
While the Reckoners may fall to the frail side of the spectrum, I don't think that's a blanket statement for any/all skis made in China.
I agree my old Line skis blew up and they are made in China also - I just buy American made skis now except for a Volkl 121 revolt which I think is china also.
My reckoner 2021s one are holding up great
@@froznfire9531 do you ski in the park?
Yes, yes, yes I love the m free 99 but its too short even in the longest length. Please everyone tell them to make a longer length!
Been doing it for years!
I love my mfree 99 185 @@SkiEssentials
ARV 94 vs Arv 100?
More park, more carve, go 94. More float, more drift, 100. Pretty similar feel and build, just a different quickness.
What’s Carls favorite all mountain twin tip? 😂
Karl has been on a Nordica Soul Rider 97 for a few years and loves it but has now moved to a Bent 100.
Best mogul ski in this field?
For ripping moguls all day in CO
5’8 140 lbs
I'd vote for the Bent 100. Wonderful mogul ski.
No J Skis?!?
Which one do you think would fit in to this wall the best?
hm, was my initial comment deleted? The BO98 and Menace/Splice is not the same ski. The flex pattern, mount point, sidecut and dimensions are all different, which a bare minimum of research would yield - as would the excellent infographics made by Endre Hals (of Evi skis, who codesigned the Ren with Hoji) the Norwegian illustrate if you Google it. Also, especially Bob often misrepresents constructions of different skis, either missing elements or naming the wrong ingredients. And "positive camber" as a term needs to be reconsidered - there is camber or reverse camber ;)
Hello! No, we don't really ever delete comments, unless it's purely inappropriate, which doesn't seem like the case here. So, not sure.
Anyways, Jeff here, and thought I would give your thoughtful comment and equally thoughtful reply.
First, you're right, and I could've raised that question or topic in a more accurate way. I'm well aware of their differences on paper, provided lengths, etc etc, but gosh, they're so darn similar, it's something I've been hung up on for a while. I probably should've phrased it "just how similar are these skis?" rather than "are they the same thing?" Obviously Dynastar and Rossignol are sister brands, sharing technology and materials and manufacturing processes, and the similarities of different models over time is interesting too.
2014 Dynastar Slicer at 181 cm - 132/98/120 mm
2017 Rossignol Slate at 181 cm - 130/97/120 mm
2021 Dynastar Menace 98 at 181 cm - 132/98/120 mm
2024 Rossignol Black Ops 98 at 182 cm - 131/98/121 mm
So, like I said, there are obviously differences among those specs, and the provided lengths are different between some of them too, but I still can't get over the similarities having skied all of them over the years.
In regards to your other comments, appreciate the feedback about accuracy. In these comparisons, if this is what you're referring to, we often skip over elements of construction to save some time.
Lastly, you're more correct than incorrect about camber, that's for sure. Positive camber has never sounded weird to me because you here it in the car world, but I totally understand what you're saying and that it's not really the best way to describe the profile of a ski.
There's my thoughtful reply to your thoughtful question! You're right, but the differences among those skis are so small, that it often has me wondering just how similar they are.
2 secs into this video and all i can say is wheres the chronic 94
I guess that rounds down to 90.
That will be in our narrower twin tip video.
1000skis?
This brand has been recommended a lot this year so far. Hope to get on them at some point!
where is J Skis and 4FRNT? No love for the local boys?
Would love a MSP Or a master blaster review
We're currently not dealers of those brands, and while we try to sprinkle in content when possible, they generally don't make it into these larger comparisons. ruclips.net/video/8entjatR1Jw/видео.html
I think you outta leave out the personal opinions regarding which skis are used for what events etc.... AHall, who literally won everything last year rides faction.... I almost gurantee youll see a ton of kids riding the ARV in comps this year, and henrik literally only rides bdogs and edollos...
ARV 88 has already been a hot commodity for us when it comes to the youths and competition.