2024 Men's Mid-80 mm All Mountain Ski Comparison with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- For our third 2024 Ski Comparison, we're shifting narrower into mid-80 mm all-mountain skis. There's a lot to like in this category, and it's arguably home to the most appropriate skis for the general population of skiers. If most of your time is spent on-piste in a ski resort setting, there's a good chance this is where you should be.
0:00 - Intro
4:40 - Salomon Stance 84
9:55 - Atomic Maverick 86 C
13:45 - Volkl Blaze 86
19:35 - Dynastar M-Pro 85
24:45 - Elan Wingman 86 Ti
29:05 - Nordica Steadfast 85 DC
35:35 - Fischer Ranger 84
40:20 - Volkl Kanjo 84
45:35 - Rossignol Experience 86 Basalt
50:30 - Liberty Evolv 84
54:20 - Black Crows Vertis
59:05 - Elan Wingman 86 CTI
1:03:10 - Volkl Deacon 84
1:08:25 - Fischer RC One 86 GT
1:12:50 - Head E-Shape V10
1:18:10 - Atomic Redster Q9.8
1:23:20 - Rossignol Experience 86 Ti
1:28:45 - Elan Wingman 86 Black Edition
1:32:40 - Kastle FX 86 Ti
1:36:45 - Kastle MX 83
1:40:45 - Volkl Deacon V.Werks
1:45:10 - Stockli Montero AR
Written Comparison: www.skiessentials.com/Chairli...
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Seeing a new comparison video pop up is almost as exciting as skiing itself.
Wow! That's a bold statement!
The number of ski models you guys have skied and are knowledgeable about is impressive.
the video europe was waiting for ...
The one coming out today maybe even more.....😉
@@scollyutube you got inside info? :)
@@scollyutube loved that one also ... still i am on the over 80mm side ... some of them are on that video ;)
Thanks guys, building my resort ski package and your review goes a long way. Already helped me build my ski touring setup. Thanks again
Our pleasure!
Thanks guys, always interesting - I like how you talk about the feel of a ski without getting too techno-speak! (BTW I'm a Deacon 84 nut!). Cheers from Australia!
So happy this video finally came out!!
Another great video! Thanks for all the time and hard work guys! These are so entertaining and informative!
Glad you like them!
The shop I work at is getting the Stance soon and I'll probably get it after seeing this, can't wait to go to the Alps this year. Great video!
Thank you guys! Answered a lot of questions I had about bumps and trees
Nice! Great zone in this grouping for moguls and woods for sure.
Thanks for review! It's nice to see you doing this year after year. Great job!
Thanks for watching!
Wow! I love that this overview didn’t even get to 88mm! This is where a lot of average skiers are… or should be looking... even if it’s not where the most money is spent. Thanks for spending the time here!
I’m actually looking to find a ski in the high 80-low 90 range to fill out my quiver, but still enjoyed the discussion... and watched the whole thing anyway!
You guys are awesome!
‘Average’ meaning mostly frontside skiers… not skill level.
Thanks, and totally agree! Also, "average" does not mean "bad!"
Bought the Experience 86Ti last year after watching you guys talk about it. Unbelievably good ski, probably the best I’ve ever had.
Yup! I'd ski that thing all year.
Nice reviews guys. My pick is the Fischer Ranger!
Got back into skiing 8 years ago, missed 21 years. I've been on blizzard Bramas 80 underfoot 180s love em !!! Mt Rose !!!
You guys do great video explanations. Thank you.
Our pleasure!
Hey Bob! Doing great thanks for asking
Nice! Great to hear!
I Definitely missed having that head super shaped titan Included in the comparison. But I understand you have to draw the limit somewhere.
E titan is a a resort killer! My lift buddy absolutely loves his. Those skis rip through basically everything!
My other friend rides the Fischer GT 86s. Tough crew to keep up with! (But i manage on my Kastles 😂)
I really enjoy these reviews. In no small part because I love watching these guys rip the same trails I ski at Stowe. They’re way better. I ski. They rip. Haha. Also, Pinnacle is a great ski shop.
Great! Thank you guys!
Our pleasure!
I thought about changing from my Deacon 84 to the Kendo 86, but after this review, again, i think i'll stick to my deacons :D They are just too good
Hey Bob. I am great, thanks.
I loved the conversations around bump skiing! Would be interesting to see a comparison on bump ability/versatility.
At the end of the day, you kind of have to decide what type of bump skier you are--do you want a softer ski that'll allow you easier access to the troughs and crests or do you prefer something with more substance that'll provide more support? Typically, the more supportive skis also fall more into the versatile/all-mountain realm while the more flexible skis will leave something to be desired when it comes to firmer snow and carved turns. I think skis like the Kanjo, M-Pro 85, and Stance all strike a nice balance.
This is really insightful. The last two years are my first attempts at getting into moguls, and I do second the idea of a mogul-focused video whenever you guys are done with your planned set of vids. Bringing this comment into a video and also maybe bringing in how twin tips like the chronic 101 and playmaker could be compared and contrasted sounds interesting to me.
I realy enjoy the "80 under foot" discution every year.Such diversity and different application of technologies in an underdog categorie is particular.
We say the same thing! For skis in the same range, there's a lot going on here. Price, too! Amazing what you can get on the Stance side of the wall for a good deal.
Love Deacon 84’s. Tons of fun on the groomers. Have not regretted that purchase!
Right? And I bet you spend a lot of time on groomers, giving the ski a very high usage rate too!
@@SkiEssentials For Sure! If conditions are firm or I know I’ll be on groomers 95% of the day, I’m skiing the dickens out of those Deacons!
Being retired I am fortunate to get to ski full time midweek. I have the newest version of the Deacon 84 in my quiver and absolutely love it. Honestly it is the perfect tool for the typical New Hampshire conditions we often have. I understand that more skiers want to ski the M6 because of its reputation but the Deacon 84 is probably a better choice unless there is some new snow or warmer temperatures. If you wanted to compromise I go with the Kendo 88. Last season my Deacon 84 got more days than my Brahma 88. As Jeff has said Volkl has thrown the kitchen sink of high tech into the Deacon 84 and it works really well 🙏👍⛷
To answer the question, I will tell you why I bought the Head Shape E-V10 in addition to my piste performance skis Fischer RC4 The Curv and Elan Amphibio 18Ti2.
You have days on the slopes when the weather is bad, crud and soft bumps on the slopes, changing conditions, tons of people you need to navigate around, you are skiing with friends and fooling around having fun, catching an occassional jump outside the piste and you cannot utilize the full speed and power of a race carver ski.
Head V10 is a great ski for that! Not only for intermediates but also for advanced and experts. I also skied in on hard packed black runs and it performed very well. You need to be a bit more focused and centered on them at higher speeds, but boy… This is a great all rounder which will not make you tired and put a big smile on your face. Super fun ski!
Thank you for making this! I got the Solomon Stance 84 today and I cannot wait to try it out on the hill!
How are they? They’ve been on my radar for awhile.
@@sleuth2077 They are good! I am not experienced with skis, so take that as a caveat. I had a pair of really small, narrow skis before and I am finding that the stances let me cut through variable terrain much better (as expected). Since using them I have learned how to better use by body weight while making turns, whereas before I think the smaller easier skis I didn't need to have as much technique. So yeah I've been loving them!
I picked up an older model of the Vertis 4 years back - it's a great lightweight ski for softer snow, however, for those hardpacked groomers you might want something a bit heavier with metal in.
Yeah, there's always going to be that limitation, especially in longer turns. Skis with short radii and no metal will hit the wall sooner than something like the Montero AR with metal and a longer arc for sure.
After watching the entirety of this video, I’m excited to try the deacon 84, Rossignol 86ti and the stockli that I couldn’t afford.
Nice! We are not financial advisors, but if you want the Stockli, just don't go out to dinner like 5 times.
Hey guys....first off I love the channel. You have become my go to for information. I am looking to get some new skis and have narrowed my decision down to the Volkl Kendo 88's and the Rossi Exp 86TI.....I am a 40 year skier/snowboarder and am 6'5" 275lbs. Most of my skiing is east coast hard pack/groomers. While I can do any trail on the mountain I have found lately that I enjoy just cruising and carving the blues with my kids. I do enjoy pushing myself occasionally and charging pretty hard but it's not the majority of my skiing.. I would be getting the 184 or 185 length(depending on brand) but I was curious if you had a recommendation one way or the other based on the above info and stats. I am really torn between these 2 skis. I am also open to any other suggestions you may have.
The best part about the Kendo is that it's incredibly precise. The Rossignol has a lot of that, but doesn't feel quite as energetic. Personally, I prefer the overall well-rounded nature of the Rossignol, as I feel it has a quieter din than that of the Kendo, even though the performance levels are pretty darn similar. My guess is that you'll get all you need out of the Rossignol with a slightly friendlier character overall. 185 in that ski sounds right due to your stats and application. Have fun!
Please do a 100mm next :D This is seriously the best channel for skis
Ok!
Wow! More of Emily skiing beautifully on picturesque VT trails 17:50
Many thanks to the whole team for great reviews. I hope you can help me with the difficult choice :)
I would like to change to something that is easier to handle on "not so well groomed tracks" (with bits of powder when it snows and moguls that are formed in the second half of the day). I am intermediate with some technique gaps to be covered to get to advanced. I am not an aggressive rider, I like more comfort and easy, safe handling. Montero AX seem to me like a good choice, however a bit pricier. From size perspective Rossignol Experience 80 Carbon seem to be almost identical, however based on your review they seem to be for beginners/intermediate, not sure how much it is different compared to the Montero AX? When does that beginner vs advanced ski characteristic really makes a difference?
Also considering Kanjo 84 and Stance 84/80 - however concerned if any of these ones would be too much of the free-ride direction.
Many Thanks!
I think the AX is a bit pricey and stiff for beginner/intermediate skiers. There's a happy medium here. Check out the Rossignol Experience 82 Basalt for more of a front side look or the Stance 84 for more all-mountain versatiltiy.
Ooo almost 2 hrs long. Let me get my coffee.
Hope you made it all the way through!
You have no idea on how many times. I have an issue on deciding which ski to get for each 80 and 90 mm lol. Keep coming back to these videos.@@SkiEssentials
Gentleman. Outstanding review!! Really appreciate your hard work and dedication to your craft! Bravo! Asking for a tall order here. I've been skiing for 35 years. I'm 47 years old. 5'9" and 260lbs. I had a hip replacement 6 years ago but still very active coaching high school football and track. I am looking to buy my 1st pair of new skis with all of this new tech and shape. I live in Ohio and mainly ski here and occasionally PA, WV, NY and VT/NH. I don't ski like i used to. No more bumps, big hits or park. I'm mainly short and long carving, some steep and some woods. Very strong intermediate to lower advanced. I would like to buy my last pair of skis or maybe 2nd to last....i would absolutely love your advice from this group of skis. Thank you so much in advance for your advice!!! Cheers!!
I'd take a long and strong look at the Elan Ripstick 88. I know it's not on this list, but it's a great fit for what you're looking to do. On this list, the Volkl Kanjo makes a lot of sense. Easy to turn skis, the both of them, with great energy.
Love these videos. The only problem is that every time I watch them, I end up adding more skis to my list and I can't make a decision. I'm looking for a "most days" ski for Sun Valley ID. We have a lot of dry spells. I'd like to get better in the bumps this year but still need groomer performance. My current skis are a 2011 Kendo, 2015 SR 95 and Head Venturi 95. Love all 3 for different reasons but not great in the firm bumps. Probably just my skills. After writing this, I'm realizing how old my skis are. Which of these 80ish skis (from the less expensive side) would you recommend to help me progress in the bumps?
I never felt as confident in the moguls as I am with my latest purchase last year, the Volkl blaze 86, the front and tail rocker, light weight, and playfulness, plus very little camber gave them a smearyness that excelled in the bumps.
There are a lot of options out there for sure. If you're just looking for a ski in this zone for mogul progression, I think the Stance is nearly unbeatable. Blaze and Maverick are great, but they are light, so they don't have quite as much to offer in non-bump scenarios. I like the metal in the Stance and the Kanjo while the fiberglass in the M-Pro is still supportive enough for firmer bumps, and still offers fantastic carving performance. Overall, Stance and Kanjo are right there for me when it comes to mixing bumps and on-trail performance.
Great video and thank you both! Curious that which skis you think is the best for mogul and why?
I think the Stance 84 and the Blaze 86 are the easiest to approach when it comes to bumps. They're light and mobile and easy to use. For higher end bump performance, the Experience 86Ti is one of my personal favorites, but it is on the heavier and more demanding side of the spectrum.
I usually ski in the alps: just deciding between the deacon 84 or atomic redster q7.8, and the recommended length for my height.
I’m an advanced not expert 176cm 78kg 40y male.
Would the deacon be more demanding than the redster? Or should think about going kanjo vs maverick 88 for versatility and easy going ski?
Usually ski 90% on groomers, and ocasionally venture off piste at the side of the tracks nothing crazy; but I wouldn’t want a ski too fatiguing at the end of the day when the snow isn’t at its the best conditions.
Love, Love your reviews! So entertaining!
The Redster is shaped more like a race ski while the Deacon is truly an all-mountain ski that can really carve. If you're 90% on groomers, then I don't think you need to go to the Kanjo/Maverick. Go Deacon and likely in the 172. Have fun!
Hi Bob, I'm with you. realy a great Ski. I could test it in April in Italy. I fell in love with it. For the price here in Europe, 799 Euros. It's a great Ski for a lot of skier! looking forward to buy one... (don't let my wife know 🙂)
Secret is safe! Unless she reads YT comments on ski reviews.
@@SkiEssentials 😆 No she won't
Great video as always, currently have a pair of Head Kore 99 as my only pair. I ski mostly in Colorado/Utah and would love to have something more towards groomers. The skis that caught my eye the most were definitely the Deacon 84, the Experience 86ti and the Wingman 86cti Black Edition. Would you say that the Deacons are definitely the better carvers? From what I caught from the video the other two options are more versatile. If they’re pretty similar in carving capabilities I would prefer something slightly more versatile but would reach for my Kores whenever I’m planning on going off piste. Forgot to mention, I’m 6ft tall, around 168lbs and an advanced skier.
You're in a great zone here. Deacon and Wingman are slightly more front side shaped than the Experience. Deacon has more substance and power than the Elan, but that's more of a function of the differences between metal and carbon. If you like how your Kore performs due to the carbon, you'll probably feel the same way about the Elan. Elan is also lighter than Deacon, so that does add to the mobility, which I find adds to the versatility component. I'd say mid to upper 170's is a good place to be in these skis.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you for the explanation, the main thing keeping me away from the Elan is the price honestly since it’s a new ski and can’t find them in my price range. Definitely looking to spend below 800 with bindings, probably would be able to get them for next season for around that price but I’m looking on getting the skis for this current season.
Is the AR able to mix up turn radiuses as easily as the V.Werks? Which has better edge grip on the typical New England icy patches? Great review guys!
I would say the V.Werks is more competent in this zone. The AR likes the long ones. I do think the weight of the AR helps more with the firm NE ice. Skied it the other day and was constantly amazed at how well it just motors down the hill.
Looking for a recommendation…I’m an intermediate>advanced skier, 6’3 and 300lbs. Coming off 2018 Rossignol Experience 80HD and looking for my next skis. Am considering either Rossignol Experience 82ti or 84ti or switching to Volkl Deacon 84 or Deacon Vwerks. Also open to other suggestions. I mostly ski groomers in the East but plan on going out West. Thoughts? I enjoy your videos. Thanks.
Hi! I think I answered this on another thread but can't quite remember. I think the wider Experience makes good sense here as it provides balance and strength for you. The VWerks is going to feel light and the 82 is just a bit narrower and not as stable. The Deacon 84 is great--more of a front side shape so you are giving up some versatility here.
Nice work fellas! It sure would be great to see the company send you to somewhere like Mammoth for the demo days and get you out on steep n deep for your reviews! ; )
It's always nice to get a fresh perspective and see challenging terrain and snow conditions, but every time we go somewhere, we usually miss Stowe a whole lot.
Hi, Jeff and Bob, I am intermediate skier who's looking to practice more of the advance techniques and to get better this year, I m looking at the wingman 86 cti and the head shape v10. I m 6ft, 178 lb, and I ski in colorado. I'd also like to do moguls and practice my short turns, can you give me any suggestions? A big fan of your channel, thanks!
Thanks!
The Wingman is a bigger jump in performance and stiffness. It sounds like you're more interested in shorter turns and progressing techniques, putting you more in the V10 category. I fear that the Wingman would be too demanding for what you're looking to do. I'd also say check out the Volkl Kanjo and the Salomon Stance 84 as those skis excel in shorter turns and bumps as well--maybe a bit less on-trail oriented than the V10. Have fun!
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Great vid you guys are awesome! Do you think I'd regret pairing the Kanjos with my Rustler 10s? Seems like a super fun 2 ski quiver.
I just don't know how confident I'd feel with the Kanjos at high speeds compared to my 2012 Kendo 88s. The Kendos are fully cambered, heavy, and stiff as hell, but I do love letting them rip sometimes. They're just not that fun in trees, moguls, etc.. Don't know if it's worth the upgrade. Thanks guys!
maybe i get the new kendo idk
The new Kendo is different than 2012. More energy, more versatility, less planky, and better in trees and moguls. I think if you're concerned, then the Kanjo may not quite feel like enough--I'd check out the 23/24 Kendo in earnest.
Hi :), great Video guys! I have a question about the Kanjo 84: I'm an intermdiate skier who wants to improve his skills. I like to do short turns but I want to improve on bumps. I'm 5'8 and 154 lbs what size would fit best? And on the web the ski seems brown but in your video it's grey, why so? Cheers!
It's definitely grey, especially on the outsides. The middle does look a bit browner. I'd go with the 168 in that ski!
No Volkl Revolt 86? How does this ski stack up against some of the skis in this video? What’s the equivalent? Would I notice a difference between the 86 and going for a QST 90 / Stance 90 instead?
We're putting twin tips in their own categories this year. There's a pretty substantial difference in terms of power and precision when you go to the Stance and QST lines of skis, especially if you're looking for any type of park/freestyle performance.
Could you guys do a comparison of some more versatile skis in the 90 mm range like the rustler 9 and the m pro 90?
We will feature the M-Pro 90 in the ~90 mm comparison, and the Rustler was in the mid-90's grouping. If you're looking for a direct comparison between those two skis, specifically, the Dynastar is considerably more all-mountain/carving oriented while the Rustler has more versatility when it comes to soft snow, variable conditions, and terrain. The M-Pro is a lot happier on-trail with a stiffer and flatter tail, although the longer shovel rocker and slim taper profile makes it very maneuverable in the bumps and trees, it just takes a bit more work to get it to go in those zones.
@@SkiEssentials okay thank you so much, this channel is really helpful as I’m currently deciding what skis to get!!
Fantastic video! I was hoping you could help me decide which ski to choose: I'm a really good skier, weighing 155 at 5'8. I currently only own one pair of skis (despite 35 ski days last year, lol): A 67mm underfoot Volkl Racetiger RC, which I love for fast carving, but am really abusing it, since I started to ski everything with it, from powder, moguls, to tree runs.
Last year, I had the chance to test an Elan Wingman 82 Ti at 184cm in the afternoon spring snow, and I absolutely loved that ski (I could also handle the length, though would step down to 178cm probably). They were just so much fun (and had a lot more float), compared to the precise and serious German Volkls. So now I am looking to add an all mountain ski to my existing Racetiger, and I was quite attracted by the Elan Wingman 86 CTi, since they claim it's the SUV of skis, and it's even wider. I'd still ski 70-80% on piste, but I'd just like something that is more versatile, has some amount of float, is easier to turn in moguls, etc. Now it seems there might be other skis such as the Kendo 88 (or Mantra?) that might do even better than the 86 CTi for my intensions? Or maybe even others?
Looking forward to your input!
It sounds like you prefer the more front side oriented skis vs. the Kendo or all-mountain styles. Along with the Wingman 86CTi, I'd also take a look at the Fischer RC One 86 GT. I like the wide front side skis like this, and I'd even add the Volkl Deacon 84 to the mix.
@@SkiEssentials great suggestions. I decided I'll just have to try more.
Do you have some info about the Atomic Maverick 83 R? It looks very promising and matching my style, but its hard to find anything about it online. Thank you
It's mainly used as a rental ski in shops, so you won't find too much information online. My guess is that it is made with a composite core like the Bent 85, but with a shape that's more directional. Easy to turn, fun to use, but not a whole lot of tech going on.
Last year I got into skiing and had lessons and will this year as well. I would consider myself an early intermediate but am progressing well. Can skid turn fine on green/blue hills and have been working on learning to carve. Have been skiing the Volkl Blaze 86 as my only ski. Love the Blaze when it has just snowed and when nimbleness is needed (chasing the kids around and picking them up when they have fallen). But I feel the Blaze struggles a bit in firmer or rougher conditions on groomers. Will probably stay with the Blaze quiver of one this winter but in the offseason will try to get a deal on a second set of skis better suited to moderate speed carving and handling firmer and rougher conditions. I am 5' 10" 168 lbs and live in Ontario. What would be a suitable addition to the Blazes to form a quiver of two for a skier with my profile?
Going slightly narrower and more sturdy makes good sense here--I'd check out the Rossignol Forza 60 or the Head Shape V8. Both are great carvers that are easy to turn and hold up well on firmer conditions.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks! I'll look into the Forza at 171 cm.
Currently have the stance 84 and love them, however I’m starting to reach their speed limit (35-40mph for me) more often than not. What would be a good step up to add more stability while staying in this WW range?
As you move up in stability from the Stance 84, you have a lot of great options. The Stockli Montero AR is a top performer for sure. Volkl Deacon 84 and Head Supershape e-Titan are awesome wide front side skis as well. If you want to stay in the all-mountain shape, check out Rossignol Experience 86 (actually 84 underfoot) Ti. Slightly narrower but still in the all-mountain realm, Blizzard Brahma 82 (or new Anomaly 84 if you can wait), and Armada Declivity 82 are awesome.
Hey guys, i saw you had a video about the 2024 bent 85? Wondering why that ski isn't in this comparison?
We're going to put that in a twin tip comparison as we've been keeping the twins out for the most part so far.
Looking for a mogul ski in western NY. What ski would be better the Stance 84, Dynastar MPro 85, or the Blaze 86? I have an Origin 96 but want something more narrow. I thought about Bent 90 but feel it might be too close to Origin.
I think the Bent 90 is one of the best mogul skis out there, but the Stance is a special ski for mixing bumps and groomers. I'd lean to the Stance 84.
Im looking for something fast on groomers, but I also love to do tree runs. No park or jumping. Would the Nordica 85s be a good choice.
Or another recommendation?
Im a advanced intermediate skier out west in Oregon. Thanks
Yes, I love this ski. I do find that it is more comfortable at more moderate/middle speeds vs. straight line top speeds. Something like the Stockli Montero AR is a lot faster.
I have the Nordica Enforcer 88 in 172 length but looking to switch out to the Rossignol Experience 86ti because I mostly ski in PA and 1-2 trips a year to VT. I am 5'8",180 lbs. I am an aggressive skier. Do you recommend size 167 or 176? I am also considering the 82ti as well.
I'd stick to the 86--no real loss of carving power here and it's nice to have the extra width for stability in a carve. I'd go with the 167 in that ski based on your stats.
Hi... what ski is just a little bit more performance than the Stance 84... I like the lightness of the Stance 84 but just want a little more top end performance.... thanks in advance....
I'd take a look at the Kanjo from Volkl or the Dynastar M-Pro 85. Have fun!
Why did the Faction Dancer 1 not make this comparison? Interested how it compares.
We did not have a Dancer 1 at the time of production. Would do great up against the more rockered skis of this group like the Vertis or Maverick, just with more metal in it for a damper feel.
Yeah, I want a Ripstick 88 Black too.
I don't let a conversation with anyone at Elan go by without mentioning this ski. I'd also say that if you haven't been on a Wingman 86 CTi, to definitely give it a try.
Great video! I'm stuck between the Rossignol Experience 86 Basalt vs Ti. I'm 6"3 95kg male and like to ski aggressively, but don't have much experience with a stiffer ski. Any thoughts? Predominantly ski on groomed piste with a bit of off piste fun every now and then. Thanks!
I think your size and application puts you in the Ti version, although I'd go maybe a size down to balance the potential for being too stiff. At your size, I'd go with the 176 in that ski.
@@SkiEssentials thanks!
Boys amazing review as always. I'm hoping you can help guide me in the right direction here. I'm looking for a pure frontside carver and the primary skis im looking at are the Volk Deacon, RC one 86 or 82, Atomic Q9.8, or maybe one of the heads.
I have one somewhat weird attribute that I want this ski to be able to accomplish which is as follows: I have an atomic vantage 100 and I can drive it pretty darn well and love the power/response it provides when I really get it bent/ on edge. But it has a slightly longer turn radius (I think 19m range) so if it's a cold/hard/fast morning, Im not able to arch the length of the ski down steep slopes because I frankly just cant handle the speed. So, all that to say, I want a ski with a short enough turn radius to where I can ski the full radius even on steep/hard/fast groomed conditions, and actually use that shorter radius to help manage speed (vs needing to slash to cut speed).
Anyway, I'm kidna down on the Volkls because their lack of camber is just wack (IMO). I'm tempted by the fishers but worry about how much tip rocker they have as it seems like it might reduce precision. The Head line frankly overwhelms me and is confusing to assess. and the Atomics seems sick (and I like the short turn radius) but your review here makes me kinda second guess them. Based on that, just curious which you would nudge me toward?
Of the skis on your list, the one that sounds the best to me is the RC One 86 GT. Short enough radius to manage speed while having that wider platform to stand on. There's a lot of precision here--the rocker really doesn't affect it all that much, just makes it easier to engage. When you get even the slightest bit into the turn, they react plenty precisely. If you're looking for just a small step more manageable, go with the 82.
I agree with @skiessentials. I don't think that you'll find that the fisher has a lack of precision. IMO Head e titan Is definitely worth considering. 2 of my good friends own both of those. I ski with them many days a year. They crush everything on the east coast with them. (Except for tight trees and frozen moguls. ) Both are definitely precise. Fischer I believe is a bit heavier and more demanding, But is basically unstoppable on the slopes!! 😂😂
thanks so much for the thoughts! @@SkiEssentials
and thank you as well! @@carterfan80
I'd like to buy either the Kanjo 84 or Stance 84.. I'm an intermediate->advanced skier.. I ski the southern rockies most often, our powder turns to moguls quickly most of the time. I'm probably 60% on groomers (blue's) + mogul runs (blacks).. I'm more of a cruiser and I'm not looking for high end speed at all.. 5'7" - 165lbs.. What size ski do you recommend for me in these? also, I currently have a stance 80, 161cm - I feel like it's too short for my current skiing, but, was ok to learn basic carving on..
The Stance 84 is pretty much the same build as the 80, so you'd be going wider and longer in the same ski. The Kanjo has a bit more pep and energy due to the fiberglass frame, so that ski will bring a different character to the mix. I think the Stance 84 works better for general cruising and is a known quantity for you. I'd go with the Stance 84 in the 169. Have fun!
How would you pick or choose between the steadfast and stance ?
I would pick the Steadfast personally. There's more power, stability, and on-piste performance to go along with the Steadfast. If you're in the bumps and trees and shorter turns off-piste I like the Stance a lot, but for most on-trail applications,
Which of thse skis have longer (say over 185 cm) options for tall people? I know the experience used to be made in 187 cm atleast. Im 6'7 and I have had Mantras at 191cm now, but Im thinking of going with something more narrow and more on-piste oriented, and thus I think I have to go with shorter skis.
There's not a lot. The Montero AR comes in a 185 that skis pretty long. I'm 6'2 225 and find it to be on the long side for me. The Blizzard Brahma 82 comes in a 187--that's worth a look
Thanks for sharing. I am in the 60’s 😂 riding Core 93 - how would you compare Head Core, to Salomon Stance and Atomic - for an advanced senior skier, who would like to enjoy skiing all day, without beeing too tired.
There's a bit more quickness and accessibility to the Atomic versus the Kore and the Stance, which are just a bit either heavier or stiffer. The Atomic has the most dramatic blend of light weight and energy to it while the Stance and Kore are more composed. If avoiding fatigue is at the top of your list, I'd go Atomic, but for a bit of a middle ground, the Stance feels totally confident in a whole range of conditions and terrain with more of a traditional tip to tail carving feel as well.
@@SkiEssentials thanks for the good explanation, makes sence 👍🏻
I’m looking at the Rossignol Experience 86 Basalt, would you suggest getting them flat rather than with the system binding?
I don't think that's necessary--the system works great on this ski.
Deacon 84 177cm vs 182cm? What is the actual tape length of the ski? I’m 183cm 190lbs and ski a 180cm ski now. Should I size up or size down? I ski allot of Nordic as well so I’m used to longer skis. Would I find the 182cm too long for my height and weight for a intermediated advanced skier?Thanks in advance!
Check soothski.com for precise measurement data like this. I think the 177 makes more sense since it's fun to take advantage of the shorter turn radius.
Recommendations for a budding athletic intermediate who will mostly ski Mt Hood?
I keep leaning to the Kanjo/M-Pro/Stance as very solid all-around performers for progressing intermediates who are looking for all-mountain versatility. If you start there, you can't go wrong.
Do the wider skis help push through crud better? I ski mostly in Ohio in small “resorts" and the trails get tore up pretty quick and I always get knocked out of my rhythm when I hit the cruddy spots. I'm an intermediate skier and I like lighter skis, but I know you lose stability with the lighter weight. I've been considering the Blaze 86 or the Kanjo 84 bc they are lighter and versatile. Im 6'2 165 lbs so do you have a recommendation for a not very demanding, yet still is decent in cruddy blown snow conditions? Thanks.
Generally, the wider ski will be able to handle crud and chop better than narrow, but there's a limit to how wide you want to go. The mid-80's is a great place to be when it comes to mixing or transitioning between groomed snow and chopped trails. Kanjo has a bit more pop and snap to it due to the fiberglass frame while the Blaze has longer rocker and a wider shovel that make it a pretty decent soft snow ski, but it's less precise and engaging than the Kanjo. I think I'd lean to the Kanjo because of that precision.
@@SkiEssentialsdoes the Kanjo have a higher speed limit than the Stance 84?
@@sleuth2077 I'm more comfortable at speed on the Stance.
I am looking for a replacement for my Salomon xdrive 8.3. Would you have any suggestions of something similar? Thanks
I remember that ski just motoring through everything without flinching. The wider front side skis do a lot of that, so the Atomic Redster Q9.8, Volkl Deacon 84, and Elan Wingman 86 CTi all fit that bill and would likely be a decent replacement if you're looking in the mid-80's.
Please make a front side carving ski comparison video.
We've got a few coming up. First skis from 76 to 82 mm and then narrower after that!
I’ve heard mention of kanjo and intermediate ski in the same sentence. I’m guessing you all don’t agree with that?
How high up the scale from the video before until it’s outclassed on performance or construction?
Intermediate skiers will generally be very happy on the Kanjo. It does have a higher ceiling that will be fun for experts, but there's a limit, especially for larger or more aggressive skiers. I think the Vertis might be a good comparison here.
Thoughts on the stance 80 vs 84?
For 2024, from what I can tell, you guys seem to indicate they are essentially identical.
Looking for mostly groomed performance, in the blue and rare diamond. Intermediate skier/ with the family/ kids!
Looking for some fun and easy days on the mountain.
Cost with some seasonal sales is near identical where I live. Better to stick to 80 for groomed, or 84 for a more versatile ski with near identical groomed performance?
Thanks!
Very similar overall feel. The 80 is a bit quicker and more agile for groomers while the 84 offers a bump in all-mountain versatility. If you find a similar pricing on these, I'd go for the more well-rounded 84.
@@SkiEssentials thanks! I did just a few days ago go with the stance 84. Excited for next season.
29:18 What exactly are your points against that Nordica which you did not fully voice in the video?
I don't think we had anything really negative to say about the Steadfast 85. If there were any points that we brought up that we were sad about, it's likely the fact that we loved the Navigator 85 and were sad to see it go away.
@@SkiEssentialsI mean Jeff was clearly surprised and perplexed that Bob chose Steadfast as his favourite on the wall. So much so it took about 10 seconds for him to recover from that shock. I am curious why was that.
Amazing video! Watched it multiple times. Nevertheless, could use some guidance. My salomon xdrive 8.0 ti skis broke last month. Loved those skis, how they gave me confidence during poor (end of day) snow conditions and high speed carving. Do like those shorter turns too! 90% on piste. 177, 75kg, advanced skier. So where do i go? The salomons greatly improved my skiing at the time. Budget less of a concern. Atm i’m looking at the volkl deacon (or is it too stiff, not playful enough?), flirting with the nordica steadman (wife has the spitfire) due to the good review here. Initially i figured to go for the fischer, though i think that’s too stiff, demanding (not the most athletic person, no sports). Only own one pair of skis. Appreciate thoughts from any of you….
I do think the Deacon is a bit stiff, especially if you're looking to emphasize shorter turns--this is where the Steadfast 85 excels. If you want to go slightly wider, the Dynastar M-Cross 88 is a wonderful addition to this list--a front side ski in an all-mountain body--I'd take a look there as well. These skis have great performance and versatility!
Thanks @SkiEssentials. Definitely going to check that out. What would you say is the biggest reason to pick the volkl over the nordica since the price is also quite a bit higher. Which one would handle moguls better (end of day poor snow conditions)?
Hi guys,
Thank you for these videos, they're awesome and at the same time making me feel overwhelmed, lol.
I was wondering if you could offer me some advice? I've just started skiing again after the covid-years and I'm now looking to buy my first skis. I already have fitted boots.
I would consider myself intermediate. I know how to carve but still lacking in the technique department.
I am 40 years old, 179cm (5’10”?) tall and my weight is about 90-100kg (~210lbs?). This will likely be lower for the next season, 190-200 if it matters.
The next few years I’m going to be skiing in the nordic countries and then we’re gonna pivot to the Alps when my kid gets better.
I will primarily ski on-pist and the only offpist I see myself doing is just outside the pist until perhaps later if my kid drags me with her.
I have been looking at the Stöckli Montero AX as from what I’ve read it feels like a pretty good match. I would love to get some alternative suggestions though if you could spare the time. 😊
Thanks again and I wish you all the best.
Thanks, and I hear you about being overwhelmed--it happens to us, too. If you have boots that work for you, you're already almost 90% of the way there! The AX is wonderfully smooth and quiet and has a high performance ceiling but is still accessible for progressing skiers. On the slightly lighter side, if you're looking to boost your technical skills, I'd also take a look at the Elan Wingman 82Ti or the Armada Declivity 82 Ti.
Can you bring the head Kore 87 In the mix next time? I really think that ski belongs to the all mountain terrain. They are often overlooked because of the 93.
We discussed why that ski was not in this video, although it could have fit in for sure. It'll be in the ~90 mm comparison.
@@SkiEssentials very cool! because for me, im a 40/60 (piste/powder guy), the 87 is often overlooked because of the 93. and many of my friends, who ask me what ski you can recomend for 60/40 or 70/30 (piste/powder), dont even think about the 87 kore. but for me the 87 is the perfect match for starting on the piste in the morning and ending backside in the afternoon. so im happy know, when you can bring him in the ~90 video. maybe you can leave your opinion between the 87 and 93 kore, as well. greetings from germany 👋
Blaze 86 vs mindbender 85 vs Maverick 86c, which would you recommend for a beginner that's approaching the intermediate level?
Also I'm 5'7" any length reccomendations?
I think the Blaze has a lot going for it. The k2 is on the non-descript side while the Atomic is quite stiff and reactionary--great for quickness but not terribly compliant. The Blaze has the most reach and range and does so at a high level of quality. I'd go with the 166 in that ski. Have fun!
Which ski would you recommend for a progressing intermediate for the East. Looking to upgrade my Rossignol Experience 76 CI
I like the sounds of the Volkl Kanjo for this application. Easy to ski, fun to use, and a whole lot of versatility here!
How does Kanjo compare to the Stance 84 or the Experience 86 Basalt?
Hey guys, which of those would you choose for 250lbs 6'7" low-end intermediate skier (who wants to develop)? Europe conditions, mostly groomers but in all day all weather conditions.
I'm debating between Rossignols 86 Basalt and Ti and I was wondering whether my weight won't be too much for Basalt edition, from the perspective that I'm looking for steady and forgiving ski? 🤔
Won't my size overpower basalt edition?
And if so, since Ti version requires experienced skier, does my size neglect somehow that suggestion?
ehh.. I'm also wondering about Stance 84 and Kore 87.. my head gonna explode haha..
Do you know which of those I mentioned would be the most stable on bumps and fun for on piste huge guy? :D
I'd narrow focus to the 86Ti and the Montero AR. Your size requires a strong ski, so I'd feel comfortable with you on those skis. The Basalt and Stance are too light and flexible. Kore is light but stiff--an interesting option, but overall you will likely prefer the metallic feel of the Rossignol or Stockli.
Thanks for valuable reply!
In last few days I also watched your recommendations from previous years and I noticed that Head e-Titan was also highly recommended by you.
Would you mind compering them with directly with Rossi 86 Ti? with taking into account my abnormal size :D @@SkiEssentials
@@usbnickpl You're going to get similar levels of performance overall, with the Titan holding better and stronger in a carved turn on firm snow with the Experience performing better from a versatility standpoint. If you are truly spending most/all of your time on-trail, I'd take a strong look at the Titan--it's like a wide race ski, while the Experience still falls more into the all-mountain zone and is far better suited to bumps, trees, and the like.
What would you guys think about putting some tech touring bindings on the Dynastar m-pro 85?
Or would one of the others on this list go better? Based in Montana. @skiessentials
The 85 is nice and light--Kanjo follows suit here, that's another good option that blends a light weight performance with sturdy downhill chops. Blaze 86, if you can find it flat, is another fantastic option.
Thanks so much @@SkiEssentials
How do you guys feel the experience 86ti compares to the brahma 88?
The Brahma 88, when used as intended, is more of a white-knuckle experience. You have to get it up to speed before you can really access the top of the performance. The Rossignol has a very high end--not quite the same as Brahma--but it's easier to operate at more moderate speeds.
@@SkiEssentialsWould you say that the ‘speed minimum’ also makes the brahma more one dimensional than the experience? Or does it, once up to speed, handle more technical terrain or crud and slush better than the experience thanks to the slightly wider width / different profile?
@@Toert Yes I feel the Brahma, for most skiers, is more one dimensional than the Experience. More so in how it's actually used versus what it's intended/marketed for. At speed, it's more adept at variable conditions and terrain than the Experience.
Hey thanks for the great videos, I’m an advanced 6ft 215lbs skier. I love to ski fast(ish) with frequent small curves and turns. Looking for all mountain skis, but I want something good for moguls. I will be grateful if you give me couple options (considering my height and weight)
Thanks :)
For mixing bumps, shorter turns, and higher speeds, I'd check out the Experience 86 Ti. This is a great all-mountain ski that I found works great in bumps. I'm 6/2 225 and loved the 185, but I'd imagine the 178 would be a slightly better choice for you if you're looking to emphasize bumps and short turns. On the slightly more mogul-friendly end of the spectrum, the Dynastar M-Pro 85 and the Volkl Kanjo are two of the best. Those you can go a bit longer than the Rossignol because they're lighter and more mobile.
@@SkiEssentials great! Thank you very much! Where do you put mind bender 89ti?
@@Damon1359 It's pretty close to the Rossignol, but with more flexible tips and tails. This will increase mobility in moguls and slightly uptick the off-piste performance, but it isn't quite as crisp of a carver.
between rossignol 86 exp ti and nordica steadfast 85, wich one you choose?
I had enormously successful experiences on the Steadfast 85 last year. I really loved how that ski handled carved turns and tighter arcs, especially at moderate speeds. It's a very rewarding ski from a carving perspective. The Rossignol takes that performance and power to the next level and operates very smoothly when going faster and more aggressively. Personally, it'd be hard for me to pass up the Experience as it's a premium product and incredibly exciting to ski.
@@SkiEssentials thanks! An what about elan 86? Better than nordica 85 and rossignol 86?
I personally don't like it quite as much as its on the sharper side of the spectrum and I prefer some minimal amount of looseness in my mid-80's skis, especially given how well the other two work. If you're looking for a mid-80's front side ski that does not compromise when it comes to stiffness and precision, you're in the right zone with the Wingman. @@reviewer219
What's the best bump ski?
I'd say it's between the Blaze 86 and the Stance 84. The Stance is a bit more predictable and smooth while the Blaze is lighter and poppier.
Why no Faction Dancer1?
We did not have the ski in time for filming. It'd fit great in this category for sure, with tons of quickness, edge grip, and a surprising amount of stability due to the dual metal laminate.
If you have to pick top 3 of these skis for moguls and carving both, which ones would you pick?
For mixing moguls and carving, I'd take the Stance 84, M-Pro 85, and the Vertis. I think for a heavier or more skilled skier, you could make the argument for something in the Experience 86Ti range, but those are on the heftier side.
Thanks. How about in your 80mm or 90mm videos? Any of those skis come to mind to combine moguls and carving?
@@JayantW55 For narrower, I like the Armada Declivity 82 Ti and the Rossignol Experience 82 Ti. Wider, in the 90's and beyond, the Black Crows Serpo and the Salomon Stance 90 make a lot of sense here.
Hi, I'm an advanced skier who previously prioritized moguls and trees, but looking to develop on my on-piste skills. Looking for a ski amenable to carving that isn't locked into short turns and that I can still take into the moguls from time to time. Was looking at Rossi Exp Ti, Wingman Ti & CTi, Deacon 84, and Steadfast 85 as well as Brahma 82, but even after reading your reviews struggling to decide between them. I'm 6'2" 200lbs and ski in PA and VT/NH. Currently on Dynastar Legend Sultan 85s in 178. I imagine you're busy putting together the '25 content, but if you're still monitoring these comments I would appreciate any input you can provide. Thank you!
You're in the right zone! I found a whole lot to like about the Steadfast 85--that was one of my favorite skis in this range from this year. They carve great, are easy to use, and have some versatility as well. Deacon 84 is a close second.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks!
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Hi. When can we expect 2024 mid 100 freeride skis comparison ? Thank you. #neednewskis 😂
We're getting there! At least one more week. Maybe two.
oooo... this is going to be a fun one..
something you guys mentioned that fits well in this category is on and off piste.. i imagine a lot of these skis are going to be great on rock hard groomers but when conditions start to soften then they will get stuck..
steadfast... the footage of all of your turns was great.. 179 length.. i might be fine with a shorter length.. my race skis are 170..
volkl.. i will have to weigh in on which volkl that i think i like the most.. it might be the kanjo
wingman 86 CTI sounds like a Peak 10 BRECK ski..
volkl.. not sure about the kanjo and the deacon..
I enjoy so much the chilled atmosphere of your reviews! The "Titan Question", could you please add here your missing opinion on this Heads? 1:13:49
Big fans of the Titan. We both have a Rally, and I think it works great for here in VT as a front side ski. The Titan doesn't lose a whole lot of on-trail carving performance, but adds some versatility due to the width. It's right there with the Volkl Deacon 84 and the Fischer RC One 86 GT has having excellent front side and carving character to go along with a sturdy build that blasts through crud and chop. It's maybe a bit more race oriented than the Deacon, but right there with the Fischer in terms of heft and performance.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for the clear opinion. And the passion you share with us!
Why is it that all the interesting graphics are on wider skis?
Truth. If you look at our front side comparison, they're all very similarly uninteresting.
Enjoy that this is in 4K now
No mindbender 85??
Love the MB85! We did not have one at the time of production to include it. Since it returns unchanged, you could check back on previous year's comparisons to see where it'd fit.
@@SkiEssentials the mindbender 85 and steadfast 85 were two of my favorites last year at the demo day obviously for different reasons and applications. Probably will try and find a good sale on steadfast at some point this year or next to compliment my kendo’s and get a more dedicated carver
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Oh boy is this great !⛷❄️ did you guys early drop this because it’s my birthday today
Love that Nordica steadfast
Happy Birthday! Let's just say yes, yes we did.
I'm also intrigued by the Steadfast. Looks like the closest thing I can find to a replacement for my Kastle Dx 85s.(dx 85s have a completely new construction for 2024😢😢)