Your analysis of Nihilus consuming worlds and leaving "peace and order" as part of the deep anti-imperialism at the heart of Star Wars is one of the many reasons I always come back to this channel. Also, a beautiful exploration of why Traya was wrong; we live in a world devoid of the Force, or anything like it, so far as we can tell. We are still all unavoidably interconnected. KOTOR 2 is radical, it's critical, but it's Star Wars all the way through.
Was she tho? She loathed the force for controlling/influencing destinies and outcomes. Not solely bc it connected living beings. Living beings are natrually connected thru circumstance, proximity, mutual understanding, a mutual friend, grlwing up in similar circumstances, commenting on the same youtube video, human DNA, all these invisible threads we don't see that connect you and me amd everyone around us and everyone around them and everyone who ever lived into one big web of existence. The consequences (foreseen or unintended) of NOT ONLY our own decisions, but everyone else's as well, good AND bad, all add together into one lump sum to equal just the life and times we live in, and this is all before we ever get supernatural energy fields involved. She tried to teach the exile this very concept in multiple ways, understanding the galaxy as things are when the force is removed, because she had been forced to live without it herself at one point. She was wrong and overstepping in her belief that she could destroy the force itself. It amounts to arrogance. The wrongs that had been done to her forced her into a bitter, cynical outlook. She grew hateful, but pragmatic enough to not ever really see it as hatred. One could interpret that she herself failed to see that the force itself was leading her down this path, for a reason.. But the real-life reason the character is so beloved is partially BECAUSE so much of her wisdom was spot on, and applicable to our daily lives
"Devoid of the force" Well, that's debatable, lol. Since a lot of cultures believe in subtle energies, and some psychologists believe in the collective unconscious, haha. But good point nonetheless. :)
Addiction. To me, that is what the dark side is. It pulls you in, destroying your relationships and your life, but you can't resist the lure of its power. And, the only way out, is a clean break, and the hard work of making amends to those you've wronged. Another fantastic video.
I agree %100 and addiction can affect anyone. It doesn’t prefer people in specific regions, religion, diet, social status… it can strike anyone. Just like the dark side.
KOTOR II to this day still sending ripples in the SW lore. Nihilus and Sion are kind reminders what the Dark Side does and how much has to be sacrificed for the ultimate self. Exar Kun believed if he could control and understand the Dark Side, he'd understand both sides of the Force. His mistake, is that that Dark Siders don't control the Dark side. The Dark Side controls them.
Geetsly really just blessed our weekend with a 1+ hour documentary on the Dark Side, the Sith and KOTOR 2's philosophical undercurrents. *That's what I'm talking about! That's why he's the MVP! That's why he's the GOAT, the GOATTTTTTTT* 😂🔥
This is possibly the most accurate depiction of the nature of the Force, and very neatly explains many if not all plot points in the original 6 films: the fall of the Jedi Order, Anakin’s turn to the Dark Side, Palpatine’s manipulations, Luke’s final victory over the Sith, etc.
The end state for Kreia’s philosophy is what the Yuuzhan Vong were. An entire species cut off from the force who destroys all life they consider weaker.
To be fair being refugees with major PTSD would do that Had the two android civilizations not been warlike and instead traded with the Vong they wouldn't be invading refugees
Case in point, no one in KOTOR II explicitly mentions the name "Darth Nihilus." Apart from the name "Nihilus" appearing in some journal logs, he is mostly referred to as "Visas' master" or the "master of the ship" (the Ravager).
I’ve been looking for more sith lore for days and I finally got it. Old Republic sith and ancient sith are my favorites. Their power was so raw and immense, not even Sidious rivaled MOST of them.
True. Sidious and then Vader were the last true Sith. Maul was almost a sentinel, a weapon for Sidious. But Vader was sidious bane if you think about it. After vader killed Sidious, then died himself, that ended the curse and legacy of the Old Sith.
“If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters.” - Kreia
On the surface Kreia seems like just a darksider, beneath that however is a more complicated character with a philosophy that deviates heavily from Jedi and Sith teachings, and beneath THAT, she's just a darksider
To me she sounds like a crankier Jolee who just so happens to be a dark Jedi. By that I mean she always seemed like a grey Jedi who didn't like the force.
Show only became disenfranchise with the Force in General after being betrayed and cast out by Nihilus and Sion. Before that, she was committed to destroying the Jedi.
@@jahlaniwilliams2468 Even after that. Treya literally did kill many of "last" masters in the game. It is just that she see Meetra Surik (who become Gray Jedi) as perfect Force user. Anyway I refuse to recognize canon ending of this story. Meetra Surik should be the Outlander.
@@Force_user57 Even Obi Wan was a Gray Jedi. To be clear it doesn't mean throwing lighting bolts (Luke Skywalker is actually a Sith). But rather being ally of light side, instead the slave. Basically only Gray Jedi survived the purge.
Vader fell to the dark side to save the ones he love from dying Nihlis just wanted a bite to eat. A bad reason to fall to the dark side, but it get stuff done! Whole planets? Eaten. Dude got hungry that he fell to the dark side!
My view is that someone truly neutral in the Force would be someone who was completely asocial. No desire to form bonds with others nor to dominate others. Someone for whom a life of total isolation was bliss.
If, IF you apply Kreia's criticism of the Force to the 4th wall, you realize that her condemnation of the Force and how it creates conflict is also a condemnation of us fans who inject conflict into the Star Wars Universe for our own entertainment. We want Force sensitives, we want space battles, we want all that conflict. We're the Force and Kreia hates us for how flippantly we treat the people in her universe.
I love how the Disney sympathizers (not enjoyers mind you, each their own), legit still don’t want these games being canon. Some of them rather Disney…bastardized the time time period with new stuff… I’m sorry but the writing in them is just…some of the best in entire IP, and Disney basically be making a printing press if just leaned into it and gave right people the reins to make content from it.
And Nhilus was born from the mandalorian wars. Honestly too many people look down on the sith Triumvirate and only talk about the lord of hunger but gloss over the lords of pain and betrayal.
No one glosses over Traya, she just is a pretty bland character compared to the "technically" immortal duo consisting of a literal force vampire and a literal force zombie.
You would make an excellent Jedi with your understanding of light side and dark side history and philosophy, and how it affected everyone and everything.
Thank you for such an interesting Analysis. TBH, I have played the game several times, yet failed to truly make the connections you have highlighted here. The hints and the teachings given in the game, were in fact, quite subtle, just like Lessons from Kreia. It turns out that the game in itself was some sort of lesson to players. Subtle. Obscure. And Yet quite deep. It must be said, that this game stands above every other SW game, in turns of depth and philosophy, almost to a degree of an Art piece.
Naga Sadow: I want to expand the Sith Empire. Exar Kun: I want to bring the Sith Golden Age back to galaxy. Darth Nihilus: I just wanna stay home and eat chips.
I do love the way Revan and Meetra compare and contrast each other: Revan saved the Galaxy by slaying its enemies and winning the war. Meetra saved the Galaxy by healing its victims and winning the peace.
Great video! And your assessment was of Treya, dark, light and connections were all great! Also, i have come to really love the ithorians. They have consistently grown among my favorite species.
Darth Sidious did in fact have Unlimited Power, he succeeded the Rule Of Two, and achieved a mastery of its practices like no other, he was its greatest practitioner.
What an awesome video. Best Star Wars lore channel for me. Now for a fun question, who would win? Nihilius or Mngall-Mngall, an immortal parasite whose only goal was self amusement trough the control and suffering of others?
Kreya really is such a complex character that challenges the simple light and dark of the franchise. Unfortunately she fell into the “I’m evil, but I want to do it MY way.” Category, which ultimately placed her right back into the black vs white scale lol
Kriea never followed revan to battle she stayed and the jedi council blamed her teachings for revan and banished her. Then she found a sith temple and learned what she could find there tried to remake the sith order again was betrayed again by her students and this made her into the lord of betrayal. Where did you get your info?
Excellent video, thanks for making this. The philosophy of Star War was so developed before Disney bought it -- it's a shame they're not building on this.
I told this to a friend who didn’t know about KOTOR II. Mentioned Nihilis. He called it “another example of Disney sh**ting on Lucas,” because making Nihilis the “most powerful sith” diminishes palpatine as a threat. This conversation made me realize how fortunate we are that KOTOR II came out when it did. Imagine what it would be like with today’s online discourse.
Do a lore video on one of the aliens or other Star Wars species. Id be interested in you deeper discussing old mando sith + jedi ships as well as empires
Darth Sidious seems to be the only Sith Lord who actual enjoyed life. He enjoyed to torture people and dominate their minds. Every living being was a toy for him to play with. This is why it's clear to me that it was not anger and hatred that feed his powers in the dark side but rather his high force sensitivity and genius level of intellect that allowed him to study and master the powers in the dark side to perfection. He was even able to perform force healing. IMO he became what Krea would be proud of it because he was the ultimative Sith Lord that was not destroyed by his own power.
@@CookiePieMonster He did not made Vader who he is. Vader betrayed his master because his love for his son was stronger which returned him back to the light.
i personally think that je'daii and the pre ajunta paul sith and what i recall of the witches of dathomir likely had the best view of the dark side not as some evil aspect of the force or just a tool to control or destroy but more a aspect of nature/life and such where the jedi made the corrupted view of the darkside became the norm and widely spread
I personally always subscribed to ideas in which both the light and dark side are viewed as apart of life. 2 sides of the same coin, something that will always be (meaning no true destruction to either side) and the best way to deal with it is from a place of balance.
@@Eli-akad . Yep least in mind set sure the Sith pure bloods were specialized in the Darkside for the most part but their mind set was still grey where look what happened to the je'daii when they lost the grey mind set and became the Jedi massive amounts of conflict and if I recall right had to abandon tython due their purest light side views causing tython to reject them if I recall correctly
Weird opinion, but Sidious didn’t win due to the dark side. Take away his force abilities and odds are he still could’ve become emperor and wiped out the Jedi. The only time he actually showed that he was a Sith Lord was when he schooled Maul and Savage. He only won because the people around him were idiotic bureaucrats. Replace him with any pre-bane era Sith however…
Exactly! Anyone who is smart enough can be Deceptive and treacherous. There is no need to even use the Force... Well, if Palpatine was non-force sensitive, he must not be Weak-Minded or the jedi would sense and foresee his Goals regardless. It must've took palpatine a while to climb through the ranks of Naboo's Goverment to eventually climb the Ranks of the Galactic Senate. Also yeah, don't be mistaken, there were plenty of Sith Infiltrators Pre-Bane, Especially between the KOTOR and SWTOR eras, where Vitiate sent Tons of Infiltrators ahead to prepare the galaxy for the True Sith Empire's Return... Like Softening up the Republic in the Senate, Sealing Tombs of Ancient Sith Lords, even Infiltrating the Jedi order itself. The Sith have always been the masters of Betrayal and Deception, no matter what era.
@@galacticfirefly6060 Quite so. Though in those cases I imagine the force actually mattered (mind tricks and all that). Those eras did have fairly robust governments.
well, thats probably true for disney wars, but in legends he did alot more than just normal schemes. alot of what he did was use the force to gaze into the future to determine where to take the war and who to send there to create the right ripples for his ends. in two specific instances he actually forced CIS forces to retreat and sent commandos to save particular jedi because he foresaw that if they died right now that the jedi would discover his plots before it was too late for them, and the second time, because the jedi would be able to rally and escape before he could finish them off because the death of that jedi too early would mean dramatically greater caution from the order. the details about the one were particularly sad. basically, obi-wan was about to be killed and Palpatine had a vision of the good timeline. obi-wan dies, which leads to Anakin discovering Sidious plot, rallying the jedi, defeating Palpatine and preventing the empire from ever happening. lets also not forget he was the only force user in history to be capable of galaxy wide battle meditation. so basically palpatine, was constantly using the force to predict the future and influence people galaxy wide almost non-stop to keep the right people alive and winning at the right times, and loosing and getting killed precisely when optimal. way more complex than just scheming around "idiot bureaucrats"
This is true to a small degree. Sidious still utilized his abilities in the force to help achieve his goals. The most obvious and straight forward examples were shows of power to place fear in his subordinates to ensure they remained in line. There are also smaller nuances to his abilities that assisted him being able to successful carry out his plan, however I can not give specific examples on this without going back to certain reference material. However I would say to look it up. Ur are mostly right, however the dark side definitely helped play a role. Remember it was the dark side of the force that kept the vision’s of the Jedi clouded so they couldn’t figure out what was going on until it was too late
Sidious did used the force but what makes him such a genius IMO is that he used it in the shadow such as clouding the visions of the jedi and telepathic force corrupt the minds of people to support him. After he became emperor he used a combination of telepathy and force dominating mind to control the imperial crownies from his palace while he dedicated himself to advance his powers in the dark side.
Collectively, the force is a pool filled by both the life and emotions of all living things. It's also a mirror and focus for those who tap into it and utilize it. The dark side is all the negative aspects of life and while by itself is a natural part of the force, drawing on it exclusively and letting yourself be twisted as it focuses and brings out the darker aspect of your nature is unnatural.
20:11 what would happen if Nihilus ever found the queen of the stars Aboloth? Would she take him under her wing, would he ally with her, would they try to destroy each other?
Tough question. We know force/life drain works on her even from a user with less power in that field. But then, perhaps abaloth could use a mental trick on someone already basically broken to his own hunger.
Depends. Nihilus probably has lost all reason. Nihilus and Abeloth are both black holes. They would probably cancel eachother out. But Abeloth would probably win.
Nihilus was cool, but when i pmayed through Sion was my favorite character, being functionally immortal is the end goal of most sith anyway, a means to continue gaining power. Sion achieved that.
The Sith accomplished this by travelling far into the future in another galaxy Digging up the remains of George Lucas Attaching the remains to a generator And playing The Acolyte non stop
think you lost the trees through the forest there at the end. kreia didn't do all that for power she didnt do what she did to pursue power for herself or to allow others some "true" pursuit of power, she did what she did because to her it is better to die free than live a slave. so if killing the force means 90% of the galaxy dies with it, so be it, because everyone left will finally be free. she had rejected power for its own sake, and instead focused on the chains breaking part, so long as that is achieved the power did not matter. effectively a rejection of the sith pursuit of power, and instead a focus on the end goal of freedom. look at it this way, if all she cared about was power and didnt care at all about others in the way, she wouldn't care so much about you running around killing people so long as her goals were achieved in the end. but she does care. she hates it if you kill or help them, because you take away their freedom in doing so. but when you deceive them or manipulate, in the end it was still their choice to do what you wanted them to, and if they find out later that they should have chosen differently, then they will be wiser for it, increasing their freedom rather than destroying it. so basically, kreia does not really care about power at all, she only cares about freedom. she isnt dismissive of your companions because she sees them as potential tools and nothing else, but because so long as the force exists, they are all literally just tools of the force. until the force is killed free will can not exist and that is "abhorrent." she only talks to you because only you have free will, and so only you are an actual person. she even explains that she herself is is not a person as she is still bound to the force. so until she has true freewill she herself is nothing more than a tool. which is why, antithetical to sith thinking, she is more than willing to off herself if it means the death of the force. because until she or anyone else has freewill life itself has no meaning.
I will say it again your videos are so dam great you do stuff noone else does there's like 4 channels and they all do the same videos just change the title
How the Force keep balance when Nihilus "eat" a hole planet!? I love the dark side as anyone else but greates joy I feelted was in moment Vader kills Sidius...sith is stronger if he converted from light to the dark side becose he consum the power of the dark side better..
That's really the thing about the top 3 Sith. Datrth Nihilus seemingly had tremendous power, but in truth he only had hunger that controlled him. Lird Vitiate on the other hand, had perfect control over his abilities, but his most impressive achivements resulted from external sources, like rituals. Darth Sidious, however, combined best aspects of both those ancient Sith, in that his personal power in the Force was beyond planetary in scale (yup, read the EU), like in Nihilus' case without any need for artifacts or sorcery to fuel it, but he also had near-perfect control over it, the way Vitiate controlled his voices and rituals. His power was a pure extension of himself and that is why he deserves the title of the strongest Sith Lord of all.
If it isn’t shown in the media, then the statement is open for interpretation. George Lucas stating facts about media that aren’t made crystal clear in the media are worthless. I have seen points in Sidious’ favor, but we see nothing about his power in comparison to old Sith. Lucas could produce media to prove his point, but until he does, the jury is out.
@@commentingguy3953area of effect doesn't determine one's power, what does is how much damage they can cause to someone else and far too many statements says the Old Republic characters got surpassed from Darth Bane onwards which means Sidious ragdolls anyone from before Darth Bane
@@gurun8071 writers always have meaning and if Sidious is stated to be stronger than all the Sith who came before which includes Bane who's stated to have mastered the Dark Side better than any who came before, that means Rule of 2 Sith >>>>>>>>>>>>> all others that came before
@andreasschaeflein4233 Sidious was everything wrong with Banite sith broadly. The Order of the Sith Lords is best when there is a strong Emperor, and many Sith. The Death of the Sith was the end of the True Sith Empire.
@andreasschaeflein4233 Infighting is inherent to the Sith Order. Peace is a Lie. To not be struggling to better yourself is to be dead or a Jedi, which are just walking dead creatures.
@@lordofthenecrotyr the reason for the rule of two was to prevent a group of weaker sith from teaming up to kill their more powerful masters which happened constantly in that era, weakening the sith as a whole every time. it was an answer to the constant infighting. the traditional multi sith of the old sith wars or great galactic war era if they weren't brought down by infighting ultimately always loosing to the jedi, then they slowly just morphed into a dark version of the jedi rather than an order of sith. the rule of one in contrast... is a complete and utter joke. the second the "one" dies its basically game over for the rest as none of them have any real strength of note. there is a reason when darth krayt when desperately trying to save his own life before being cocooned in bugs, got to enjoy a full day of being insulted by darth banes holocron, and darth Andeddu's ghost for being an idiot who spread the darkside out among a bunch of weak nothings. lead to one of the funniest moments in the whole franchise seeing Nihilus utter something in ancient sith that krayt couldn't understand and then Andeddu and Bane just start laughing to death er.. re-death. rule of one is a literal joke to any true sith.
Why is Yoda depicted as the highest level Jedi master? Where are his peers? Why isn't there anyone that out matches him in power & wisdom? Why is Yoda #1? I think George Lucas & Disney have both ruined the concept of the Jedi.
Your analysis of Nihilus consuming worlds and leaving "peace and order" as part of the deep anti-imperialism at the heart of Star Wars is one of the many reasons I always come back to this channel.
Also, a beautiful exploration of why Traya was wrong; we live in a world devoid of the Force, or anything like it, so far as we can tell. We are still all unavoidably interconnected.
KOTOR 2 is radical, it's critical, but it's Star Wars all the way through.
Was she tho?
She loathed the force for controlling/influencing destinies and outcomes. Not solely bc it connected living beings.
Living beings are natrually connected thru circumstance, proximity, mutual understanding, a mutual friend, grlwing up in similar circumstances, commenting on the same youtube video, human DNA, all these invisible threads we don't see that connect you and me amd everyone around us and everyone around them and everyone who ever lived into one big web of existence.
The consequences (foreseen or unintended) of NOT ONLY our own decisions, but everyone else's as well, good AND bad, all add together into one lump sum to equal just the life and times we live in, and this is all before we ever get supernatural energy fields involved.
She tried to teach the exile this very concept in multiple ways, understanding the galaxy as things are when the force is removed, because she had been forced to live without it herself at one point.
She was wrong and overstepping in her belief that she could destroy the force itself. It amounts to arrogance. The wrongs that had been done to her forced her into a bitter, cynical outlook. She grew hateful, but pragmatic enough to not ever really see it as hatred. One could interpret that she herself failed to see that the force itself was leading her down this path, for a reason..
But the real-life reason the character is so beloved is partially BECAUSE so much of her wisdom was spot on, and applicable to our daily lives
KotOR especially the second one, is best Star Wars ever made!
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"Devoid of the force"
Well, that's debatable, lol. Since a lot of cultures believe in subtle energies, and some psychologists believe in the collective unconscious, haha. But good point nonetheless. :)
@@autistinquisitor9441I think he literally meant the force
Addiction. To me, that is what the dark side is. It pulls you in, destroying your relationships and your life, but you can't resist the lure of its power. And, the only way out, is a clean break, and the hard work of making amends to those you've wronged.
Another fantastic video.
Great analogy
Bro im trying to escape reality please stfu
Very true. George Lucas himself admitted the same idea in multiple interviews.
I agree %100 and addiction can affect anyone. It doesn’t prefer people in specific regions, religion, diet, social status… it can strike anyone. Just like the dark side.
Vader fell to save his love
Palpatine fell to live forever
Nihlus just wanted some lunch
Nihlus: Nom Nom Nom 🍴💀
Aye bro lemme get a bite
Humgy
When the munchies just aren't filling enough
You're not you when you're hungry.
KOTOR II to this day still sending ripples in the SW lore.
Nihilus and Sion are kind reminders what the Dark Side does and how much has to be sacrificed for the ultimate self.
Exar Kun believed if he could control and understand the Dark Side, he'd understand both sides of the Force. His mistake, is that that Dark Siders don't control the Dark side. The Dark Side controls them.
Whenever anyone says "the Dark side is good".
Sion and Nihilus come into mind
Geetsly really just blessed our weekend with a 1+ hour documentary on the Dark Side, the Sith and KOTOR 2's philosophical undercurrents.
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This is possibly the most accurate depiction of the nature of the Force, and very neatly explains many if not all plot points in the original 6 films: the fall of the Jedi Order, Anakin’s turn to the Dark Side, Palpatine’s manipulations, Luke’s final victory over the Sith, etc.
The end state for Kreia’s philosophy is what the Yuuzhan Vong were. An entire species cut off from the force who destroys all life they consider weaker.
To be fair being refugees with major PTSD would do that
Had the two android civilizations not been warlike and instead traded with the Vong they wouldn't be invading refugees
Case in point, no one in KOTOR II explicitly mentions the name "Darth Nihilus." Apart from the name "Nihilus" appearing in some journal logs, he is mostly referred to as "Visas' master" or the "master of the ship" (the Ravager).
I’ve been looking for more sith lore for days and I finally got it. Old Republic sith and ancient sith are my favorites. Their power was so raw and immense, not even Sidious rivaled MOST of them.
True. Sidious and then Vader were the last true Sith. Maul was almost a sentinel, a weapon for Sidious. But Vader was sidious bane if you think about it. After vader killed Sidious, then died himself, that ended the curse and legacy of the Old Sith.
“If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters.” - Kreia
Darth Nihilus, “I am unlimited power.”
Darth Sidious, “That’s cute, because I am the Senate.”
*Insert crazed screeching and Ancient Sith ranting here*
Darth Vitiate, “ you presume limits to my power they are none”
On the surface Kreia seems like just a darksider,
beneath that however is a more complicated character with a philosophy that deviates heavily from Jedi and Sith teachings,
and beneath THAT, she's just a darksider
To me she sounds like a crankier Jolee who just so happens to be a dark Jedi. By that I mean she always seemed like a grey Jedi who didn't like the force.
nihilus and sion being the perfected dark side users shows how far treya failed in her teachings of trying to end the force.
Show only became disenfranchise with the Force in General after being betrayed and cast out by Nihilus and Sion. Before that, she was committed to destroying the Jedi.
@@jahlaniwilliams2468 Even after that. Treya literally did kill many of "last" masters in the game. It is just that she see Meetra Surik (who become Gray Jedi) as perfect Force user. Anyway I refuse to recognize canon ending of this story. Meetra Surik should be the Outlander.
Meetra wasnt a gray jedi,they don't even exist in the EU.Meetra was a full light sider otherwise she wouldnt have become a force ghost
@@Force_user57 Even Obi Wan was a Gray Jedi. To be clear it doesn't mean throwing lighting bolts (Luke Skywalker is actually a Sith). But rather being ally of light side, instead the slave. Basically only Gray Jedi survived the purge.
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Vader fell to the dark side to save the ones he love from dying
Nihlis just wanted a bite to eat.
A bad reason to fall to the dark side, but it get stuff done! Whole planets? Eaten. Dude got hungry that he fell to the dark side!
"I've always hated the colour blue... Y'wanna know why!? No reason..." - Darth Sion, probably
My view is that someone truly neutral in the Force would be someone who was completely asocial. No desire to form bonds with others nor to dominate others. Someone for whom a life of total isolation was bliss.
I'd love to be a Grey Jedi, just me and The Force baybeee!
If, IF you apply Kreia's criticism of the Force to the 4th wall, you realize that her condemnation of the Force and how it creates conflict is also a condemnation of us fans who inject conflict into the Star Wars Universe for our own entertainment. We want Force sensitives, we want space battles, we want all that conflict. We're the Force and Kreia hates us for how flippantly we treat the people in her universe.
I love how the Disney sympathizers (not enjoyers mind you, each their own), legit still don’t want these games being canon. Some of them rather Disney…bastardized the time time period with new stuff…
I’m sorry but the writing in them is just…some of the best in entire IP, and Disney basically be making a printing press if just leaned into it and gave right people the reins to make content from it.
Welp, I guess I have a new video to leave on while I sleep (literally, it's 2 am for me lmao).
EXCELLENTLY chosen artwork!
I never was this early, 40 seconds since release, nice.
My guy, Sion was born from Exar Kun's war. Only a small nit pick.
And Nhilus was born from the mandalorian wars. Honestly too many people look down on the sith Triumvirate and only talk about the lord of hunger but gloss over the lords of pain and betrayal.
No one glosses over Traya, she just is a pretty bland character compared to the "technically" immortal duo consisting of a literal force vampire and a literal force zombie.
Remember kids, don't overeat.
And pain sucks. Don't linger on it.
Palpatine: As you can see, I have UUUUNLIIIMITED POOOWWWEEEEERRRR!!!
Nihilus: Actually, I'm the one who has it.
Palpatine: What!? NoOooo… NOOoooo!!
A fine addition to my watch later playlist
You would make an excellent Jedi with your understanding of light side and dark side history and philosophy, and how it affected everyone and everything.
6:45 - You know this is a great channel when he doesn't spoil this. If you know, you know.
very good breakdown, in the vein of the "philosophy of Kreia".
Thank you for such an interesting Analysis.
TBH, I have played the game several times, yet failed to truly make the connections you have highlighted here.
The hints and the teachings given in the game, were in fact, quite subtle, just like Lessons from Kreia.
It turns out that the game in itself was some sort of lesson to players. Subtle. Obscure. And Yet quite deep.
It must be said, that this game stands above every other SW game, in turns of depth and philosophy, almost to a degree of an Art piece.
Always nice to hear more about Sion, one of the more interesting sith in my humble opinion.
agreed
Naga Sadow: I want to expand the Sith Empire.
Exar Kun: I want to bring the Sith Golden Age back to galaxy.
Darth Nihilus: I just wanna stay home and eat chips.
I do love the way Revan and Meetra compare and contrast each other:
Revan saved the Galaxy by slaying its enemies and winning the war.
Meetra saved the Galaxy by healing its victims and winning the peace.
Great video! And your assessment was of Treya, dark, light and connections were all great!
Also, i have come to really love the ithorians. They have consistently grown among my favorite species.
Darth Sidious did in fact have Unlimited Power, he succeeded the Rule Of Two, and achieved a mastery of its practices like no other, he was its greatest practitioner.
What an awesome video. Best Star Wars lore channel for me.
Now for a fun question, who would win?
Nihilius or Mngall-Mngall, an immortal parasite whose only goal was self amusement trough the control and suffering of others?
Kreya really is such a complex character that challenges the simple light and dark of the franchise. Unfortunately she fell into the “I’m evil, but I want to do it MY way.” Category, which ultimately placed her right back into the black vs white scale lol
I returned to KOTOR 2 last week after 20 years of not playing it and boy did i miss so much stuff when i was 7
Kriea never followed revan to battle she stayed and the jedi council blamed her teachings for revan and banished her. Then she found a sith temple and learned what she could find there tried to remake the sith order again was betrayed again by her students and this made her into the lord of betrayal.
Where did you get your info?
Excellent video, thanks for making this. The philosophy of Star War was so developed before Disney bought it -- it's a shame they're not building on this.
I told this to a friend who didn’t know about KOTOR II. Mentioned Nihilis. He called it “another example of Disney sh**ting on Lucas,” because making Nihilis the “most powerful sith” diminishes palpatine as a threat. This conversation made me realize how fortunate we are that KOTOR II came out when it did. Imagine what it would be like with today’s online discourse.
I love the underlying messages of these stories.
Do a lore video on one of the aliens or other Star Wars species. Id be interested in you deeper discussing old mando sith + jedi ships as well as empires
One's more the sith will rule the galaxy and we shall bring peace
Darth Sidious seems to be the only Sith Lord who actual enjoyed life. He enjoyed to torture people and dominate their minds. Every living being was a toy for him to play with. This is why it's clear to me that it was not anger and hatred that feed his powers in the dark side but rather his high force sensitivity and genius level of intellect that allowed him to study and master the powers in the dark side to perfection. He was even able to perform force healing. IMO he became what Krea would be proud of it because he was the ultimative Sith Lord that was not destroyed by his own power.
Except he literally was. He made Vader who he is and Vader destroyed him. And yes, Vader destroyed Sideous. Idc wtf the friggin mouse says.
@@CookiePieMonster He did not made Vader who he is. Vader betrayed his master because his love for his son was stronger which returned him back to the light.
I shall watch this video when i play kotor 2. Brb
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AAH-NA-FEH-MAH.
i personally think that je'daii and the pre ajunta paul sith and what i recall of the witches of dathomir likely had the best view of the dark side not as some evil aspect of the force or just a tool to control or destroy but more a aspect of nature/life and such where the jedi made the corrupted view of the darkside became the norm and widely spread
I personally always subscribed to ideas in which both the light and dark side are viewed as apart of life. 2 sides of the same coin, something that will always be (meaning no true destruction to either side) and the best way to deal with it is from a place of balance.
@@Eli-akad .
Yep least in mind set sure the Sith pure bloods were specialized in the Darkside for the most part but their mind set was still grey where look what happened to the je'daii when they lost the grey mind set and became the Jedi massive amounts of conflict and if I recall right had to abandon tython due their purest light side views causing tython to reject them if I recall correctly
The power of the Dark Side is a lie. The Sith only win by manipulating their opponents. At least in Lucas' films.
Power itself is an illusion, the Force only IS
Yeah the dark side is complete bullshit.
Even in the films the sith are individually more powerful, because they study combat and the offensive force skills more
Finally, a good video topic not RL world problem based and it's an hour long. Much needed for my Sunday! Thank you for the drop!
Weird opinion, but Sidious didn’t win due to the dark side. Take away his force abilities and odds are he still could’ve become emperor and wiped out the Jedi. The only time he actually showed that he was a Sith Lord was when he schooled Maul and Savage.
He only won because the people around him were idiotic bureaucrats.
Replace him with any pre-bane era Sith however…
Exactly! Anyone who is smart enough can be Deceptive and treacherous. There is no need to even use the Force... Well, if Palpatine was non-force sensitive, he must not be Weak-Minded or the jedi would sense and foresee his Goals regardless.
It must've took palpatine a while to climb through the ranks of Naboo's Goverment to eventually climb the Ranks of the Galactic Senate.
Also yeah, don't be mistaken, there were plenty of Sith Infiltrators Pre-Bane, Especially between the KOTOR and SWTOR eras, where Vitiate sent Tons of Infiltrators ahead to prepare the galaxy for the True Sith Empire's Return... Like Softening up the Republic in the Senate, Sealing Tombs of Ancient Sith Lords, even Infiltrating the Jedi order itself.
The Sith have always been the masters of Betrayal and Deception, no matter what era.
@@galacticfirefly6060 Quite so. Though in those cases I imagine the force actually mattered (mind tricks and all that). Those eras did have fairly robust governments.
well, thats probably true for disney wars, but in legends he did alot more than just normal schemes. alot of what he did was use the force to gaze into the future to determine where to take the war and who to send there to create the right ripples for his ends. in two specific instances he actually forced CIS forces to retreat and sent commandos to save particular jedi because he foresaw that if they died right now that the jedi would discover his plots before it was too late for them, and the second time, because the jedi would be able to rally and escape before he could finish them off because the death of that jedi too early would mean dramatically greater caution from the order.
the details about the one were particularly sad. basically, obi-wan was about to be killed and Palpatine had a vision of the good timeline. obi-wan dies, which leads to Anakin discovering Sidious plot, rallying the jedi, defeating Palpatine and preventing the empire from ever happening.
lets also not forget he was the only force user in history to be capable of galaxy wide battle meditation.
so basically palpatine, was constantly using the force to predict the future and influence people galaxy wide almost non-stop to keep the right people alive and winning at the right times, and loosing and getting killed precisely when optimal. way more complex than just scheming around "idiot bureaucrats"
This is true to a small degree. Sidious still utilized his abilities in the force to help achieve his goals. The most obvious and straight forward examples were shows of power to place fear in his subordinates to ensure they remained in line. There are also smaller nuances to his abilities that assisted him being able to successful carry out his plan, however I can not give specific examples on this without going back to certain reference material. However I would say to look it up. Ur are mostly right, however the dark side definitely helped play a role. Remember it was the dark side of the force that kept the vision’s of the Jedi clouded so they couldn’t figure out what was going on until it was too late
Sidious did used the force but what makes him such a genius IMO is that he used it in the shadow such as clouding the visions of the jedi and telepathic force corrupt the minds of people to support him. After he became emperor he used a combination of telepathy and force dominating mind to control the imperial crownies from his palace while he dedicated himself to advance his powers in the dark side.
Collectively, the force is a pool filled by both the life and emotions of all living things. It's also a mirror and focus for those who tap into it and utilize it. The dark side is all the negative aspects of life and while by itself is a natural part of the force, drawing on it exclusively and letting yourself be twisted as it focuses and brings out the darker aspect of your nature is unnatural.
If I was force sensitive I'd def be a dark spider, unfortunately
Hk-47 is the best star wars character
20:11 what would happen if Nihilus ever found the queen of the stars Aboloth? Would she take him under her wing, would he ally with her, would they try to destroy each other?
I think Nihilus would see an opportunity for a snack and Abeloth would defend herself. As to who would win in a fight? No idea
Tough question. We know force/life drain works on her even from a user with less power in that field. But then, perhaps abaloth could use a mental trick on someone already basically broken to his own hunger.
Depends. Nihilus probably has lost all reason. Nihilus and Abeloth are both black holes. They would probably cancel eachother out. But Abeloth would probably win.
Do a video on vitiate pls ❤
Nihilus was cool, but when i pmayed through Sion was my favorite character, being functionally immortal is the end goal of most sith anyway, a means to continue gaining power. Sion achieved that.
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It’s funny that the sith wanted eternal life but the Jedi force ghosts proves that you can only do that via the light side 😂
Please do a video on Jason solo or Darth cadus
Man literally too angry to die taken to the next level
The Sith accomplished this by travelling far into the future in another galaxy
Digging up the remains of George Lucas
Attaching the remains to a generator
And playing The Acolyte non stop
think you lost the trees through the forest there at the end. kreia didn't do all that for power she didnt do what she did to pursue power for herself or to allow others some "true" pursuit of power, she did what she did because to her it is better to die free than live a slave. so if killing the force means 90% of the galaxy dies with it, so be it, because everyone left will finally be free. she had rejected power for its own sake, and instead focused on the chains breaking part, so long as that is achieved the power did not matter. effectively a rejection of the sith pursuit of power, and instead a focus on the end goal of freedom. look at it this way, if all she cared about was power and didnt care at all about others in the way, she wouldn't care so much about you running around killing people so long as her goals were achieved in the end. but she does care. she hates it if you kill or help them, because you take away their freedom in doing so. but when you deceive them or manipulate, in the end it was still their choice to do what you wanted them to, and if they find out later that they should have chosen differently, then they will be wiser for it, increasing their freedom rather than destroying it.
so basically, kreia does not really care about power at all, she only cares about freedom. she isnt dismissive of your companions because she sees them as potential tools and nothing else, but because so long as the force exists, they are all literally just tools of the force. until the force is killed free will can not exist and that is "abhorrent." she only talks to you because only you have free will, and so only you are an actual person. she even explains that she herself is is not a person as she is still bound to the force. so until she has true freewill she herself is nothing more than a tool. which is why, antithetical to sith thinking, she is more than willing to off herself if it means the death of the force. because until she or anyone else has freewill life itself has no meaning.
This reminds me of the sith inquisitors story in Swtor.
15:02 ANA THEME 🗣🗣🗣🗣
Will you make a video on the overall structure of the Jedi Order or a video on the Light Side like this one?
I admire you to make this Video most only see Kotor as unchangebl and foremost Keira as an selfless character. Thank you to debunk this.
Bro sounds like capitalism 24:24
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I will say it again your videos are so dam great you do stuff noone else does there's like 4 channels and they all do the same videos just change the title
Wonder what she would have thought about the yuuzahn vong?
The darkside is not corruption it is power. If you lack the power to control it, then you deserve to pay for that weakness.
Great episode.
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What is that from? I could swear I've seen it somewhere.
Path to instant victory with unlimited power at the moment
Edit: You speak from all but Palpatines perspective and the moment
The Ravanger is actually a mandalorian ship not republic
Disney fd up Star Wars
@ 51.19 Hell
@1.19.11 Heaven
What about the Droid attack on the Booties?
Truly wild stuff
There are as many different sith philosophies as there are sith
Kreya the bretreya
Peace is a lie.
Another goated video
Yes…
How the Force keep balance when Nihilus "eat" a hole planet!? I love the dark side as anyone else but greates joy I feelted was in moment Vader kills Sidius...sith is stronger if he converted from light to the dark side becose he consum the power of the dark side better..
That's really the thing about the top 3 Sith. Datrth Nihilus seemingly had tremendous power, but in truth he only had hunger that controlled him. Lird Vitiate on the other hand, had perfect control over his abilities, but his most impressive achivements resulted from external sources, like rituals. Darth Sidious, however, combined best aspects of both those ancient Sith, in that his personal power in the Force was beyond planetary in scale (yup, read the EU), like in Nihilus' case without any need for artifacts or sorcery to fuel it, but he also had near-perfect control over it, the way Vitiate controlled his voices and rituals. His power was a pure extension of himself and that is why he deserves the title of the strongest Sith Lord of all.
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Who's the third guy in 10:13
High Inquisitor Jerec
Obtain
What I learned from this video is that the Sith view freedom the same way right-libertarians do
Well I mean if Sidious is stated to be the strongest of all the Sith when compared to those who came before, how can we argue 🤷🏽♂️
If it isn’t shown in the media, then the statement is open for interpretation. George Lucas stating facts about media that aren’t made crystal clear in the media are worthless.
I have seen points in Sidious’ favor, but we see nothing about his power in comparison to old Sith. Lucas could produce media to prove his point, but until he does, the jury is out.
@@commentingguy3953area of effect doesn't determine one's power, what does is how much damage they can cause to someone else and far too many statements says the Old Republic characters got surpassed from Darth Bane onwards which means Sidious ragdolls anyone from before Darth Bane
@@KahnSkywalker-hy9tlstatements dont mean much. Actions do, and bane and onward have less impressive feats
@@gurun8071 writers always have meaning and if Sidious is stated to be stronger than all the Sith who came before which includes Bane who's stated to have mastered the Dark Side better than any who came before, that means Rule of 2 Sith >>>>>>>>>>>>> all others that came before
Fifth. Also the Rule of Two is garbage.
Sidious's rule of one is better
@andreasschaeflein4233 Sidious was everything wrong with Banite sith broadly. The Order of the Sith Lords is best when there is a strong Emperor, and many Sith. The Death of the Sith was the end of the True Sith Empire.
@lordofthenecrotyr yeah, but then there's a bunch of in fighting with the Sith Empire and rule of two
@andreasschaeflein4233 Infighting is inherent to the Sith Order. Peace is a Lie. To not be struggling to better yourself is to be dead or a Jedi, which are just walking dead creatures.
@@lordofthenecrotyr the reason for the rule of two was to prevent a group of weaker sith from teaming up to kill their more powerful masters which happened constantly in that era, weakening the sith as a whole every time. it was an answer to the constant infighting.
the traditional multi sith of the old sith wars or great galactic war era if they weren't brought down by infighting ultimately always loosing to the jedi, then they slowly just morphed into a dark version of the jedi rather than an order of sith.
the rule of one in contrast... is a complete and utter joke. the second the "one" dies its basically game over for the rest as none of them have any real strength of note. there is a reason when darth krayt when desperately trying to save his own life before being cocooned in bugs, got to enjoy a full day of being insulted by darth banes holocron, and darth Andeddu's ghost for being an idiot who spread the darkside out among a bunch of weak nothings. lead to one of the funniest moments in the whole franchise seeing Nihilus utter something in ancient sith that krayt couldn't understand and then Andeddu and Bane just start laughing to death er.. re-death. rule of one is a literal joke to any true sith.
Why is Yoda depicted as the highest level Jedi master? Where are his peers? Why isn't there anyone that out matches him in power & wisdom? Why is Yoda #1? I think George Lucas & Disney have both ruined the concept of the Jedi.
I believe in the novels Luke surpasses even Yoda talents power strength
As he should 💅🏽 @@miket900
@@miket900easily eclipses Yoda.. Luke became a fucking GOD 😅
@@miket900And Anakin had the potential to do the same.
Everyone is under Yoda. Luke Skywalker was another student. I'm asking, where are the Jedi above Yoda?
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Bad title lol