What Palpatine Said Was the WORST fate for any Sith Lord
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All i can imagine is sith getting sent to a paradise where you can never want for nothing and there's no conflict just a utopia and they hate it the entire time
Looool
Sidious came back and others were stuck in their personal chaos, with your reference being, that peace is a lie, while actively being exposed to peace for eternity as a forced conversion to the light. Forced conversion of a sith to the teachings of the light, from being a closeted light-side user, would be an outing.
For Revan, it should be noted that his dark half remerged with his light half, and didn't end up in Chaos.
For Vader, hewas obviously redeemed before dying. Also, his status as The Chosen One and the constant conflict between his light and dark sides would likely save him from Chaos.
I don't think Maul deserved to go to Chaos, he never even had a choice to be a darksider and by the time he was an adult, he was too far gone.
Ya. Like “Twelve Monkeys” gone.
I actually don't believe Maul went to Chaos. His death on Tatooine was actually one of peace after a life of suffering and trauma.
@@codename618yeah but he found peace from vengeance believing someone will avenge his mistreatment by Sidious
So are we ignoring the Sith Empires and all the Sith who had no choice when they died.
@calebmetcalfe6998 that is a very good point. We know that the vast majority of sith they didn't choose to become like that. Rather they were force into it. The best example I can think of are the inquisitors. Maul of course was a perfect example of how he was litteraly brain wash from birth to become the way he is.
Some sith repented in their final moments. And became eternally naked force ghosts.
Hehe I get it.
Then we have Darth Marr who is basically the opposite.
In the end Sidious went to the Jedi heaven since that was the only way to give him a final death he could not escape from.
Im sure Mace Windu was pleased to meet him again
😂
Unlimited power doesn't mean SHIT when every Jedi who has ever lived and died is collectively kicking the piss out of you.
@@Eltrio2 And since they most likly were energy he will spend an ethernety fighting jedis who can not be destroyed
Jedi heaven is Sith hell. It's a very efficient system.
"Force soap dropped, you not gonna pick it up??"
Maul seems like someone who would be spared from Chaos, as his death on Tatooine suggests that he found peace in his last moments after a life of fear, anger, hate, and suffering (trauma, yippee). I just don't see him going there.
Dooku on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. Sure, he had noble intentions going in, but the dark side corrupted those intentions until he became a straight up dictator who would've created a more repressive regime than even Sidious did had he lived to make it happen. Compared to Maul, Dooku's last moments were filled with the shock of betrayal, and he never made any attempt to repent prior to this. On the flipside, it's possible Dooku could have redeemed himself if he was given the chance after realizing he was just a pawn. I'm not sure whether he'd go to Chaos or be spared by the Force.
Edit: Just watched a 48 minute video about Dooku's true character and... Yeah, Dooku's going to Chaos, no question.
Dooku never had noble intentions. He was basically the H-man.
@@IAmGodHimself777 I do actually agree with you now (thanks Geetsly's).
coughs in darth marr
Yeah what’s funny is he becomes a force ghost not because he admitted the force was stronger than his own will, but because he genuinely wanted the sith to live better lives.
Chaos can line up pretty well with Hell. A lot of what we may envision comes from other cultures and beliefs, myths, and even life experiences that were exaggerated and became legend. My Catholic priest friend thought it might be related to, even before the Jews put The Old Testament to parchment, garbage pits set aside for trash, human waste, entrails and such from butchered animals, etc, that was routinely burned and became a hell for little kids who wouldn’t eat their peas and carrots. He also drew a parallel to a sulfurous smell from the burning garbage, but I can’t remember what that was exactly. Anyway, the imagery of a hellscape can be found in the Old Testament and the sulfur smell in the New.
What I really thought was interesting was his scholarly depiction of Hell that stacks up nicely with Chaos: the separation from, and utter absence of, God. Alone for all Eternity, completely cut off from any redemption, abandoned and eternally in darkness, fully awake.
I guess that’s why we’re given free will while alive, the freedom to either accept or reject God. If we freely and willfully choose to separate ourselves from God while we live, God will respect our choice after our death.
This kind of comment as well as the overlap fictional narratives have with learning about God are 1 reason I watch/read them.
@@ggpt9641 it's all fiction exaggerated from reality
I'd like to see a video about those two Sith lords you mentioned. I find it fascinating to learn as much as possible about the Sith.
Maybe Chaos and becoming one with the Force ARE the same and what decides which is which is one's internal attitude towards it.
Kind of.
@@seekingabsolution1907 So kind of that it's the same!
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@@TheStupendousWave What Palpatine thought about the power-struggle within the Empire that followed his first death?
So basically, Siths are real life politicians. 😂
I think this would be an insult for Siths.
Nah, only Palpatine and Dooku
@@TheGoodLuc Yup
@@SpammytheHedgehog hey now! I love democracy. I love the Republic.
I mean Pelosi looked the part....
I have severe mental illness and I have felt moments where I can hear that lonely silence and speaking from firsthand experience when nothing you have matters when nothing you are matters and when you have no one you are truly nothing
It sounds like chaos and the jedi afterlife are the same thing, the sith just keep their identity
Makes sense, since Dark side is about ultra-individualism.
Would Kreia have gone to Chaos, given her drive to destroy the Force I wonder what her fate was.
So if I stumble across Nihlus’ mask, don’t put it on. Good to know.
Come on, where's your sense of adventure?!
It takes me a tremendous amount of willpower to not make a Jojo reference here.
I'll just keep it in my inventory 😂
Perfect content for a sunday evening =)
Glad you enjoy it!
Honestly a story about a sith Lord who returned fully formed from chaos and learned how to manipulate it to his will would be insane he could reveal insight into what's beyond death for sith and be a dangerous opponent for the Jedi
The funny thing about this to me is that Chaos is almost the same thing as the netherworld of the force but for the Sith who believe in absolute individuality and sense of personal assurance, chaos is the worst fate for them, because when you are solely obsessed with yourself, to find that you don't matter, never will matter that everything you did and know amounts to nothing because no one and nothing accepts you or even acknowledges your existence there is only the solitary, only the self, only the void.
For the Jedi who give everything they have in service of others, you will never talk to them but their gratitude and their appreciation for you will never leave you alone, because when you accept and respect others, those others will respect and carry you onwards to what you should treasure most, companions and loving family beyond blood.
Depends upon the level of individualism practiced by the force users.
Extreme dark side is about passionate ultrs-individualism, in which case hell is the excess of it = lonliness
extreme light is ultra-altruism and complete sacrifice = erased identity in joining the force.
Everyone else is in between.
Then what is a Force ghost? 😮
Love this! Thank you or all the work you put into these. Greatly appreciate it. I never paid that much attention to the books before, and I've been going back to read them and seeing different things I forgot or missed previously. :)
This is really terrifying. Sith deserve this. And all darksiders. It's nice to hear Vader,Revan,Ajunta,Jason and Anakin found peace in the Force. They got peace and serenity-heaven. I agree,Sith who went there can't worn other Sith. Being able to go there and to warn other Sith sounds good. May the Force be with you too😊
I never knew palps could be useful
Really
Another punishment? Watching the acolyte over and over again
A faith worse than death to some.
😂
Ya’ll are babies
@@SawdustMusic-rd8mj once upon a time yes, we were all babies.
@@SawdustMusic-rd8mj aren’t we all babies next to the power and knowledge of the Force?
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A mega episode about Darth Revan would be so sick
The realm of chaos and the six gates....sounds greek, like the gates of tartarus.
Love the daily content! Keep it up!
Chaos being an empty black void with nothing to see, hear or feel but yourself is the opposite of chaos. Chaos being different for everyone who experiences, that is the definition of chaos!
The lightsiders are such hiprocrates.
There are mysteries in the Star Wars universe that should be left alone, and this being one of many as those who do shall suffer a fate far worse than that is described here.
The dichotomy of the two ways to use the force is the core of SW lore. Force spirits and force apparitions are occurances in special circumstances. To call them afterlife is one way to think about it. In the end death comes to all things, that is the nature of entropy. When we ask what form certain force users experienced after their individual deaths, we talk about a very small amount of people. A particular element of this penomenon which is interesting is the "entechment". A process of putting a soul in a machine practiced by the Ssi-ruuk. This idea was first expanded upon in the novel "The Truce at Bakura". This shows that all force sensitives could separate their essence from their bodies which questions the theory of being one with the force, for it is indeed the separateness that works here and not the one-ness.
The existence in chaos sounds incredible! Can I go there? It sounds so peaceful. Sure, the loneliness might get to me, but I already feel that and it's nothing I can't handle. I'd love to be souronxed by silence and darkness! It sounds so peaceful!
So Sith go to Star Wars version of Silent Hill? 😂
I would absolutely love to see more videos on ancient Sith Lords. As they’re some of my favorite videos on your channel. I also think a comprehensive look into Sith Technology would make for a great video! Beginning with it’s lengthy history. It’s roots in the distant last. As well as an in depth analysis of the various types of Sith Tech. Ranging from weapons to vehicles (both terrestrial/atmospheric aerospace to deep space/interstellar). Energy harnessing techniques and machinery alongside even the more mystical elements of the SW universe revolving around the Sith as well as their ancient predecessors. As Magik has quite often been said to simply be the misunderstood arts & sciences either gleaned from the distant past. Or quite possibly from cultures completely alien to our own. Arts & Sciences in which we currently fail to grasp nor comprehend with our current, limited ways in viewing the world around us.
All that power and money and can’t be bothered to brush their teeth.
CHAOS is a ladder
You die, become one with the Force, and some dude uses your soul to levitate fruit.
Sith just being absorbed back to the force and losing their identity and power would be way more poetic IMO than some "Chaos".
It'd prove that for all their showboating about power and dominating the force, they eventually amounted to nothing in the end and the same fate awaited them than any other layman and so called "weakling" they trampled over. Plus death absolves all sins. There can be no bigger punishment than the loss of one's life and everyone deserves to start over. No one deserves to suffer forever for finite sins. Their souls should be scrubbed and reincarnated just like everyone else's.
"And then the Sith Lord died surrounded by friends and family." Still can't get over this🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chaos does not seem that bad for a Sith.
I would think an eternity of slavery to others would be more truly hellish for one with Sith ideology.
I'm reminded of what happened to Red Skull in the MCU.
A sith repents in his final moments, becoming a force ghost but is ignored or cannot be seen altogether, imitating chaos bc he can’t let go of the sith while the they could never accept his warning
And now Modern Disney wants to showcase that the Sith are the cool kids while the Jedi are evil.... Also Anakin destroyed the Death Star.
Whether in star wars or the real world, if you truly crave power (meaning you're willing to actively pursue it and do whatever it takes to get it), you WILL obtain it. The problems are the same, too. You'll lose any friends you had. You'll start to consider family bonds as less important. You'll be willing to trample others underfoot (which will make you more enemies) and most likely you will unintentionally become the architect of your own destruction with people celebrating your downfall. Perhaps the worst thing about that path in life though is that no matter how much power and money you obtain, it will never be Enough. You could run the entire world, and it still won't fill that spot inside you that you're trying to fill. In the end, that empty space will consume you like a black hole.
I thought chaos was a ladder...................
Revan is such a bad ass character the force itself didn’t know how to let him die so he literally split into his dark and light half’s and self resurrected untill he was re merged to finally join with the force as one balance being
When he dies, I’m probably a Soca too
powerlessness accompanied the chaos, no power to impose order
the void is real
it teaches patience/peace as torture
10:00 OF COURSE we want them! Fill us to the brim with that sweet Sith lore daddy!
EDIT: I am now in RUclips-Jail after this comment.
*Bonk*
The Jedi are absurd, preaching to let go but even after death trying to affect the living world... becoming a Force ghost is completely hypocritical
Meh. We're all hypocrites 🤷
Sith's fate in death is actually worse than it sounds. To be clear, the quietest room in the world is a place no one has stayed in for more than 30 minutes and not for a lack of trying. It is so quite there, that you can't really even hear yourself speak, and you begin to hear your own heartbeat and metabolic processes. Most people can't stand being in there past 10 minutes.
Spirits have metabolic processes?
@@DarkAdonisVyers Context, I was talking about the experience of being in the world's quietest room, which is rather akin to what a dead Sith may experience from what the video describes.
@@Frightning Still, can you answer my question?
@@DarkAdonisVyers It was more about the last line, that it's very unnerving and most people will want out of that room within like 10 minutes.
The “30 minute limit” for anechoic chambers is a silly myth. Plenty of people have spent well over that time in them, and while it’s a surreal experience, they bail out of boredom rather than discomfort.
Yes more holocrons on the Sith please, Sir Jedi Academic Sir.
If we knew more about the afterlife in either side of the Force, then it wouldn’t exactly be a mysterious afterlife.
pfft it wouldn't matter you could tell any Sith all about Chaos and all they would say at the end is ...........Chaos is a latter
i also suspect many sith were able to enter and leave chaos as they pleased to some degree one reason why sometimes korriban is depicted as being full of sith ghosts while other times their is none maybe perhaps something unique to the sith purebloods given their special connection with the force/darkside
In legends, we know there was also a purgatory like place, where mara jade and Jacen solo ended up due to having some baggage (mara for her work for palpatine, jacen solo for what he did as darth caedus). It seemed to imply it was a temporary state though, although for multiple years.
Darn, was hoping you used the version of the image at 3:18 with the black kid smiling that you can only see if you view at certain angles or otherwise mess with the contrast. I love that image. Have it as one of my computer wallpapers.
Existence in nothing. Lord of Nothing. Ruling with passion over subjects of emptiness. Unfathomable torment if being truly alone.
It would be interesting to see what happens to the spirits of Savage and Maul. Two souls brought under the Sith not by choice but in slavery, two souls who chaos would most certainly be their moments in training under their masters.
The Sith fear the Void. Oddly enough, Vitiate wanted to turn the galaxy into a lifeless void and viewed a silent galaxy as true peace. Ultimately though, the one Sith who deserved to go to the Void the most and live his afterlife in eternal damnation would be Darth Vitiate.
First! Love the channel!
Please do videos on these sith lords
Don't think Bane failed. That hand flex at the end...
Wonderful Holocron. We need more Holocrons!
Darth warlock. I need his story! Ps. I love your shit!
Unrelated to the topic of the video, but to me, the thumbnail pic of Palpatine looked like Richard Dawkins in a hood at first glance 😂
Worst fate so far has been to be cast in the acolyte.
I would like more stories on these characters😊
Cosmic justice abounds in our world? Come now, fictional world are one thing.
to be honest i strongly dislike the idea that there is a hell awaiting darksiders whether they know it to be true or not, i think that the audience should not know or it should not exist at all
if the dark side is the representation of gaining power from negativity like pain power abuse and fear, it is totally a dark side thing to do to cower away from the pain of hell thus making it a dark side move to not engage with the dark side which is of course a contradiction in the very nature of what it is to be a darksider
More Sith please, their far more interesting than the Jedi
No, the worst fate for a Sith is being disintegrated by your own Force Lightning being reflected back at you by your clone's daughter because Disney doesn't know how to write good stories anymore.
It’s called “poetic justice,” something that I doubt a Disney hater would care about.
While i dont like ROS that was the one thing they did right narratively in terms of irony for Palpatine
@@SawdustMusic-rd8mj "Poetic justice" is being killed by the apprentice I was arrogantly assuming was more loyal to me than his own son. Bringing me back because you can't can't create a compelling villain in my absence is called "lazy writing."
@@SheevPalpatine do I really need to spell it out for you? It’s poetic because Palpatine made it same mistake he made against Mace Windu, showing his overconfidence overshadowed any willingness to learn from past experiences.
Edit: how is it that you named your profile after the character and yet still don’t know the slightest thing about him?
@@SawdustMusic-rd8mj Low tier b8
Can you do a Whole analysis of General Grievous Personal lightsaber style?
WE know he has knowledge of all of 7 forms of lightsaber combat,but what about his lightsaber style he preferred personally?
One of my favorite things about the Star Wars EU is the Corellians being hinted at as being Space Americans. Military-Industrial complex, ghetto cities, greasy fast food, and vague references to Protestantism.
Please make a holocron on those two. I like to think that Maul made his way to becoming one with the force in his final moments. He is a tragic figure and he and his brother deserved better.
You should do a holocron on darth Malak.
Soooo basically when the sith die, they go to.....earth. Seriously, that would be funny seeing Sidious trying to do sith lightning and everyone looking at him like he's nuts.
No? What are you talking about
@@capadociaash8003 Real world=no force
@@flintironstag2381 the force still exists in chaos, it’s just that the siths mastery of the force can’t help them at all
@@capadociaash8003 Uhmmmmm, on earth? I don't think it does 🤔🤔🤔🤔
i just can't imagine the amount sith that are in chaos in enteral mental torture in a lonely, empty, quiet and dark place
or in an enteral timeloop of psychological torment by the time of sidious's final death
Thousands amongsts thousands amongsts thousands amongsts thousands of sith
And I can't even imagine what valkoren's chaos would be like (i think that's how you spell his name)
I mean he feared death so much he was willing to drain all life in the universe just to be immortal and be beyond death itself and beyond the force
Bane didn’t fail essence transfer 🙌🏻🙌🏻
4:28 this is similar to what a lot of Abrahamic theologians conceive of Hell as. That Heaven and Hell are states of being more than distinct places, that when one lives ones life in connection with God and in humility, that ones soul is at peace when divorced from the body and thus the physical world. But when one lives life obsessed with material goods and the domination of others, that the soul in isolation from God and the physical world, has nothing to do but torment itself. Suffering in silence. I oean towards this interpretation myself as it neatly side steps things like the dubious morality of eternal physical torture as punishment for sins which is the primary objection people tend to have for more mainstream Infernalist interpretations of Hell which became popular in the middle ages.
I'm not sure how I feel about an analogue to Hell existing in Star Wars, in all honesty
Sounds like the Empty in Supernatural...
I believe that Ajunta would be an exception rather than an example, I believe that Ajunta before dying was trying to return to the light, but failed and that's why we see him as we do in Kotor, his spirit is confused, split, the dark half infused in the sword he won and ultimately died too, and the light half being the actual spirit form itself, like trying to live 2 lives in one body at the same time as each other
Also with vectivus, I believe he escaped the chaos due to the videos theory of achieving sith goals, Vectivus goal was knowledge, probably to gain as much as he can before death, if that is the case then he did achieve what he wanted and therefore the chaos could not take him
I feel like this correlates with our hell/purgatory so correctly. I am Darth Plagueis!
so basically Plagueis hit Tenebrous with force Gold Experience Requiem
So they never can meet other sith, say like from a 4000 years ago
A lot of people argue who brought balance I feel it was Anakin as he killed majority of the Jedi then killed the then only sith. You can't have balance by destroying all dark and no light, when nothing but light is left that is not balance. Like simply helped his father fulfill his destiny.
well according to George Lucas the light side is balance. the dark side is unbalance.
@@spark300c Human progress is also about conquering nature. What do you think pepper is? Chemicals used to protect the plant twisted into a spice that results in _more_ people wanting to consume it.
@@DarkAdonisVyers ok how does this deal with gorge Lucas view on the force.
@@spark300c In other words, if we were all pure light side, we'd still be living naked in caves _without Internet_
Considering that Palpatine was from the Heretical ‘Rule of Two’ era of Sith, trained by a scientist (Plagueis), let’s take his viewpoints on the Sith with a dash of salt and a massive shot of penicillin. He was a politician, not a warrior.
Being an embarrassment like Jar Jar Binks should be the worst fate.
Yousa in deep doo doo this time.
Jar jar was the best politician up to everyone saw he back the wrong horse
Agree with this comment, I do.
Palpatine: Dead
Plagueis: Dead
Vader: Dead
Maul: Dead
Dooku: Dead
Jar Jar: ALIVE
Yousa in big doo doo this time
Darth jar jar is one of the coolest ideas. Everyone hated him so much that Lucas changed the story 🤷 in the end djj would have been better.
So basically Stephen King's "The Jaunt".
I am a sith in real life! I use the dark side of the force.
DARTH MARR. THE SITH LORD FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE
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I actually feel bad for those who were sent to Chaos. Despite what they have done, I still do not believe that anyone deserves such a fate unless it is actually what they want for themselves. For myself, however, I would want to use the scepter of Marka Ragnos (I really hope that I spelt his name correctly) to access enough of the force to retain my identity after death just as Yoda, Obi-Wan, and the Skywalker family had. Also, I would still study the forms of lightsaber combat if given the chance (to innovate rather than to fight), regardless of having a force sensitivity too weak to be useful without augmentation
I'd have to agree with Darth Bane. Losing one's identity when joining the force doesn't really sound any better than what awaits the Sith.
Darth Marr does not fear death
I think star killer would make it to become a forest ghost too
I saw an idea a few years ago where chaos is the same as being one with the force, just a matter of interpretation. I don't know if this ever translated into the disney canon though.
No wonder they want to live forever
"Those who practice evil cannot take part in this bliss." The existance of sith spirits contradicts this statement, which is something about legends that I'm not particularly fond of.
Sith spirits are tormented, not in a bliss
@@Hello-bi1pm I don't know, Marka Ragnos never exactly gave me "tormented" vibes.
@@InternetArchive1 As someone else here in the comments section mentioned, the void and "becoming one with the Force" are probably the same thing. The only difference is the mindset of the individual.