Exactly that’s the cool nuisance about sidious the republic, force and even sith order itself was stepping stones in his eyes for him to be the ruler of the galaxy he alone stood at the top and care for nothing underneath him
They weren't wrong tho. Sidious fail the sith with these mistakes. Only establish one true ruler and not share it with his apprentice. Letting people who are not force sensitive have more power than your apprentice. Turn a jedi to the darkside for the wrong reason. Not preparing for the Jedi return to the galaxy when he thought they were gone for good.
exctly, its like history repeated itself...the fall of the jedi was for assuming there were no more sith...and sidious fall was for assuming that there were no jedi strong enough to stop him.
I'd argue that Palpy never once took an an actual true apprentice. Maul? more of a disposable tool than anything, Dooku? a pawn to be removed once he had outlived his usefulness, even Anakin was little more than a trophy in the end.
Forget the Jedi. Aren't there any good Sith after Palpatine? With the right teacher the power of the Dark Side could become a tool for good. True power is not conquering others but conquering one's own weaknesses and using one's abilities for the greater good of others.
Most were and are wrong. Most Sith after Palpatine chose to follow the old ways of the Sith, being more of a traditionalist with a more modern ideal to it, rather than truly breaking away and being a Sith and Dark Sider while not exactly following Sith ideology in general. Darth Krayts Sith were a modern refined version of the Brotherhood of Darkness but more pure in the Dark Side. Lumiya and Caedus were Banite Sith but they only followed it temporarily. Anyways, with Palpatine, he broke free of all chains and therefore grew beyond any Sith ideology. All he needed was absolute power and control and make him the only Dark Side sorcerer. He was like Vitiate but rather than focusing on his own plans he had his own ideologies and philosophy. - Well, maybe the Sith that came after Palpatine aren't wrong, but they say what they say out of jealousy. And REALISTICALLY a galaxy-wide spanning Sith Empire can only last for a few decades at best. Marka Ragnos and the Sith Empires of old quite literally proved this.
I'd say every Sith wants immortality, one way or another. While that isn't exactly true, there's a good handful of Sith Lords who'd rather rule forever rather than in one life span.
Krayt's a bit different though in that he had a destiny/prophecy tied too him similar to Anakin. For him it was never about the Sith, it was about overcoming this prophecy. And he learned the hard way of course that people that are intertwined with the Force often create what they were trying to avoid.
@MichaelB07 Krayt had good reason to hate Anakin. Krayt never hated the Jedi, he just thought that they were flawed but their weakness led to their own defeat. He considered Anakin the ultimate traitor, and the years of hardship he endured didn't havr to happen. Basically Krayt saw himself as Jesus and Anakin as Judas and a failure. For one Krayt would've eventually gone after the Hutts and other criminal independents unlike Vader, Fel or the Republic. In fact it was fitting that Cole Skywalker himself was a criminal
The Sith Purebloods are rumored to still be around out in wild space. Due to their constant in-fighting, it is unlikely any of them will become powerful enough to be a threat in modern lore. Also, a lot of ancient Sith secrets and super weapons keep getting found ... examples: endless supplies of holocrons and the Star Forge .
You’d think the Sith would have had taken better care of their weapons and artifacts rather than them be scattered across the stars and discovered years later.
You're not wrong. There is a Sith pureblood faction around, but they balance both light and dark and refuse any force user, dark or light, Sith or Jedi from messing with their philosophies.
I've always had some kind of theory that contingency Order number 66 wasn't just some anti-Jedi order, but also an order that is for any Lightsaber wielder, aside from whichever Lightsaber wielder is on your side. The Clones didn't fire on Anakin since Anakin was still loyal to the Republic
@@phyrath5 Pretty sure both the rule of 2 and legends make it clear the Sith get stronger as they continue up until Sidius. Legends has passages that state Palps is the strongest sith to ever exist during his second coming iirc. Even Luke thought it was impossible to defeat Sidius and succumbed to the dark side.
@Tony-lw5yp While this is the general line, Vitiate stopped being a Sith prior to the height of his power and Vitiate was rather ancient history by the time of the start of the Rule of Two and further lost a lot of the more sorcerous arts during the Ro2 era. All this leads me to not be certain of the accuracy of that line when it comes to certain ancient Sith like Vitiate, Revan, and Nihilus.
The most compelling Sith in continuing the dark side teaching was none listed. The one I found most compelling was Count Dooku. When Dooku controlled the Separatists he had a firm grip on power, without allowing the grip to being a strangling grip onto power. Dooku was not wasteful and he believed that those that served him with loyalty and skill should not be wasteful for political posturing. The only time he did not do this was when Palpatine directly ordered Dooku to kill Ventress, he did follow this order, but he did so reluctantly. It should be noted that Dooku did not kill Ventress, through he ordered his forces to kill her sight. All signs would have pointed that if Palpatine had died, with Dooku surviving and being victorious, that Dooku would have thrown out the rule of two and created something that was like a cross between the ancient Sith Council and the Jedi Lords. Dooku would have allowed Dark Siders under him to have power and authority, through not to the point of being destructive to him rule, nor the Empire he ruled.
Didn't one of the books mention something about how Bane, the sith before Palpatine's master, (if I remember correctly) created the Rule of Two, when the old order was more akin to just a Dark Side version of the Jedi? so technically the Baneite Sith are in fact betrayers of the very side they supposedly serve since there will always ONLY be TWO... so any Baneite SIth Empire is in fact an instant collapse in waiting?
@@jakeforgey5378 Well, Darth Bane created the Rule of Two around a thousand years before Palpatine. The Rule of Two was tested almost every way possible before Palpatine became a Sith. The flaws of the Rule of Two were already showing long before Palpatine entered the stage. In many ways Palpatine was the end result of many of the flaws of the Rule of Two. The Rule of Two in many ways were guidelines. The Rule of Two did not state how and what a master should teach their apprentice. As long as Palpatine had one apprentice at a time, he could teach them the bare minimum to do their job and Palpatine would still be technically adhearing to the Rule of Two. This was because it was assumed that if a master did not teach the apprentice, the apprentice would find some dark knowledge in a tome or holocron to become more powerful. Unfortunately, by Palpatine's time. Most such knowledge was either destroyed or locked away.
Dooku was easily my favorite part of the prequels and I hope his ideologies can come to fruition in some far future without sith or jedi. Honestly his ideas are probably the route disney wants to go in the long run as well considering they straight up finished off the sith in ep 9. With how they view the EU I doubt Krayt is coming ever but I wouldn't fully rule him out, and any Caedus dream is dead and gone unless they old yeller this timeline or something lmao.
The Eye of Darth Sauron is too powerful; Mordor is a planet with the ultimate connection to the Dark Side -- even more than Mustafar, Korriban, and Dromund Kaas.
They all hated Sidious because the bar was so high in what he achieved, that they could only dream of coming close as to a sniff of what he has done. The only true competitor of the title of Emperor and in scale of power is Vitiate and Vitiate alone. Might I add, Darth Krayt was completely made to try so hard to outdo Sidious, moreso in power scaling. Like supposedly being able to be leveled with post-ROTJ Luke Skywalker, enough to take on with him, Abeloth. Like - oooookay then. Krayt would've had the floor wiped of his existence if he even confronted Dark Empire Luke Skywalker. Yes, the one that literally became the embodiment of the force itself. And to Sidious' credit, Sidious at least HAD an apprentice, a fair number of them. What did Krayt have? Oh, someone who's just sex appeal in Darth Talon and the other guys are just merely lackeys. What other overstretched accolades has Krayt been undeservingly given? He came back from the dead, because reasons. He tried being the master of force lightning which is laughable.
Hey, to be fair fight on par with Grandmaster Luke against Abeloth is one hell of a feat only comparable to the Son and the Daughter. Yeah, technically Anakin was stronger but...
Stop the baptah bah. To the next Bahptah bah. This is awesome. Stop inflecting on every punctuation mark. You are doing great. Your lore is awesome. So much better than you have before.
Darth Bane would have also viewed Sidious as a fool. The whole point of the rule of two was to make the Sith stronger, so strong that no one would have been able to oppose them. By rejecting that idea and refusing to accept that he needed to train an apprentice to replace him. Darth Sidious set the Sith Order up for failure. Vader was a skilled executioner and commander, but he lacked the interest in discovering the deeper Sith mysteries and embracing the ability to rule. The Sith apprentice was never meant to remain a thug, but to rise and rule, Sidious refused to accept that, and his failure cost the Banite Sith Order a thousand years of planning and work.
One thing I’ve learned as I’ve gotten older… old people never think they gonna die and refuse setting up their estate for that day or preemptively preparing for such day.
Darth Krayt and Darth Talon would absolutely loathed Sideous bruh lol....They believe in the rule of one and think Sideous methods were selfish and not making anything better for the betterment of the sith as a whole....
You got that right Palpatine attacked his master being drunk if he hadn't. Plagueis would have killed him easily. but in my mind and others tenebrae Is the most powerful strongest? fastest and smartest sith emperor lord of all time in the history of Star Wars he's lived for over a millennia. much longer than Palpatine
The ability to live longer alone doesnt make him more powerful, sidious achieved even what vitiate could not and thats destroy the jedi and republic @@YayoHernandez-b1j
@@darth.dominus.the.savage Hiding like a coward and planning from the Shadows or what weaklings. and least powerful do that's what the Jedi will always be more powerful. And stronger than the sith no matter what?
On a side note: The Rule of Two kept Palpatine from seeking godhood. For a Sith to do the ritual to accent in the force, like Valkorion, making him a Sith god, the ritual requires a group of powerful force users as a sacrifice. Or, as Exar Kun attempted to do, an army of weaker force users as the sacrifice. Either way, if the ritual is successful, the planet the ritual is conducted on is wrecked, with most life being devoured in the ritual. The Rule of Two only allows for two skilled for users, a master and the master's apprentice. Though, Palpatine did allow force users as his "hands". Though, most hands were weak and barely trained in the force. As such the hands as a group would not be enough to accomplish such a ritual.
The post empire Sith are exactly right, If Palpatine was worth a dam, he's have simply followed in Bane's footsteps when presented with another potential apprentice, Either finish the last one's training with a duel, to decide who will train the newcomer, or have the 2 students fight it out. Those like Maul, Ventress, Dooku, and Starkiller, were all wasted by this foolish notion Palpatine had. If he had followed the Rule Of Two correctly, either Maul or Dooku would have been his successor near the time of the prequels and either of them would be much stronger. Then the next generation would follow, with Anakin and Ventress. After that, those like Starkiller, Lumia, and Luke would be sought after. Thus each Sith lord would learn from their master and the order would have evolved and, possibly, never have fallen. Lumia is the one who followed Bane's teachings the best out of those after Palpatine.
He made it to where he would be the only ruler, and once he died, he would rather know the universe destroyed than live on. He had the power to aquire the title of an Emperor but didn't have the ability to ruel as one. He was more single minded as a goal of building bigger and bigger weapons but once thoes failed he would refuse to learn to try something new and just try to make a bigger weapon than a better weapon or better strategies.
I think it only fair to say that, Sidious didn't really break the rule of two. He had Darth Maul. Then after he found out about Anakin, he wanted him as his apprentice, which he got as Vader. And in the interim he had Dooku. But due to Anakin being weakened by his injuries from his duel with Obi-Wan and his own suit designed to protect him, Sidious knew he would never be on the level he needed to be to surpass even himself. So at this point its crucial to understand that there weren't any more apprentices to be had. Not any that would be able to surpass him and strengthen the Sith at least. And in the meantime he's growing stronger. But what else is he supposed to do? Stop lifting and just "pass the torch?" That is not the Sith way. It is taken. And then he found out about Luke and saw the potential in him to surpass his father and himself and wanted him as his apprentice. And he really needed him to turn to the dark side or be destroyed, because there really isn't any other force user on the level or even in potential of power as Sidious is during this time that would actually join with him and if Luke was to be left alive, he would grow strong enough to defeat him, but as a Jedi. There were slim pickings for worthy apprentices out there. Thanks to all the Jedi hunting, which I don't think Sidous cared that greatly about, if I recall correctly it was, more or less, Vader's obsession.
Remember that his rule and thereby existance of his empire was merely 30 years or so. Quite pathetic when compared to just about all previous sith empires.
Which is funny because a lot of the top commentors are saying that he "eclipsed what every Sith before and after has ever done" Funny, considering the Rakata exist... And like, every other Sith empire lasted for more than a thousand years
It's odd, if Anikan never lost on Mustifar, there's an extremely good chance that Palpatine would have eventually turned over control to him willingly.
nah its more likely anakin would get himself killed trying to overthrow sidious with his inflated ego. when padme confronted anakin on mustafar anakin was boasting how he can overthrow the emperor even then so had he not lost on mustafar anakins ego would be even higher then it was in canon so its very likely anakin will pull another stunt in trying to kill palpatine thinking he can defeat everybody but unfortunately for anakin its still too early in the timeline for palpatine to turn into a brain rotted idiot so anakin would die to sidious. its very unlikely anakin would wait to learn more of the sith teachings before trying to overthrow sidious
I think Palpatine was planning on robbing Vader of his body. This wasn't stated, but only hinted. But since Vader's body got burned, Palpatine changed his plans and sought out a new apprentice.
As for rule of two from before naboo to galactic alliance rule of two I count , Darth Tenabrous/Ruugis Nom,Darth Vienamiss,Darth Plaugeis/Hego Desmassk,The Stranger"Quimir",Darth Sidious/sheeve Palpatine,Darth Maul/Maul,Darth Tyranus/Count Dooku,Asajj Ventress,Savage Opress,Darth Vader,Galen Marek "Starkiller"/Starkiller/Perfect sith clone the Dark Apprentice, Darth Lumiya/sheera bree,Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo
The Empire fell with Palpatine's depth, but the same can more or less be said for Krate. Without these singular dark masters to hold everything together, most orders fall into chaos. Bane's rule of two is the exception, kind of, but even this has too many failure points and ended up the way of a short lived empire. In the end, the rule of two and the rule of one don't properly adress the core issue of stability. They merely subvert it for a bit.
The thing is, a lot of the reasons the ancient sith dont like him are some of the very same reasons he succeeded in the first place anyways. Yes, the sith, as a dogma, are supposed to rule. Not the individual themselves. But even the sith before plagieus and tenebrous and so on, went practically unheard of in terms of us having a god's eye view of all of time and events. And those sith that will forever remain unknown, are not any better than sidious or any ancient sith before them. Kudos to the for passing down the dogma, but outside of that (because we dont know anything else about these siths' existence) that is all they got. Krayt was interesting, but he couldnt remotely come close to what sidious did. And sidious practically did that by himself. And he only got fortunate enough to have all the apprentices he did because he was like the devil himself: giving everyone what they desired. And took down an empire using politics. Meanwhile, krayt was just chillin in his chair decades later to a system that was firmly established because the republic was always having trouble and krayt just having th power for himself (or for the sith as a whole to have) is such a cornball move because there will always be someone who is going to want his position instead of being loyal. So the rule of two, in essence, will always around in the sith faction. Because people are more incline to act on their jealousy. Act on their hatred. To be sneaky. To be a threaten no matter how loyal they are. Dog eat dog. Im no sidious dick rider. But at least he always knew that having too many sith around was trouble for multiple reasons. Thats why he never let vader or dooku and maul have any. Either he is taking your apprentice or you both can die together. I feel sidious wouldve probably let almost any of his apprentices one day claim power but i think he was also so used to having apprentices one after the other that he wouldnt have cared for luke no different than vader. But every apprentice he had came up short on something Maul being bested by a Padawan: deserved to die. Dooku being bestes by anakin: too old and deserved to die anyways. Anakin being bested by Obiwan: deserved to be stuff in an insufferable abd constricting suit and only valuable as an attack dog. Luke: he was fully healthy and he had already bested vader but luke was still very much tied to the light. So he definitely wasnt going to spare him at that point. He got used to having failed apprentices/pawns. Not true apprentices. So it isnt any wonder he broke away from the rule of two in secret
Unless I've missed it... But it would be a fun video to watch if you were to cover various important or big events Yoda has been part of, or experienced. I mean, given his age, he must've seen and been part of a lot of things.
All Sith both before his time and after hated him, after all he was a traitor to the Sith he not only betrayed the rule of two, but planned to let the Sith die out once he was gone if he did not manage to find the secret to eternal life, he did not wanna be replaced , and did not care if the Sith went extinct after him.
I consider myself an avid star wars fanand i've never heard of darth red before. If he was a sithlord that hunted other sith he should've been called darth blade.
There were no sith after Palps. He was 'all of the sith', past, present, future. When he died, that was it. Whatever came after him had to be something else.
I suppose in a Star wars vs Warhammer 40k audio series they are going to replace palpapltine with the imperium of man given of what they did throughout the stories
His sith empire was the shortest to ever exist. The goat, he is not. Yeah he was powerful, but his overconfidence in his control and the arrogance in his abilities, led to his sith empire's demise.
The reason the Sith order will always be defeated. Its teachings are all about prioritizing the self, the ego. The order always comes second in the individual Sith’s priorities.
They all hated Palpatine out of jealousy because they were all either deformed clone no backstory gremlins or they were emos who’s entire backstory was just daddy issues
Completely disagree. While Sidious's Empire was short in comparison, he did something no other Sith could... He basically made the Jedi go extinct. He managed to get the most powerful apprentice he could in Anakin, but Anakin was too focused on his own goals and I believe he actually was never a true sith. He toyed with Obi Wan on Mustafar and created a huge setback in Sidious's plans. Even after decades of the Jedi more or less extinct, Vader still was focused on hunting them down, and was too obsessed with Obi Wan. No matter how you look at it, the Sith are always made to fail because of their hunger and desire for power. Vader was not a true apprentice and Sidious had to plan accordingly, Vader (not 100% sure) more or less never wanted to challenge sidious and carry on the rule of 2 culture. Sidious clearly could sense this and had to created back up plans. Ultimately there wasn't a sith that was stronger during that time.
There is nothing these Sith Lords after Palpatine could do that wasn’t done by him, and there is nothing these Sith Lords after him could have done to even eclipse his legacy, which these Sith Lords fail in achieving even a fraction of the control of the Galaxy has he had. Palpatine had a legacy of a thousand years of planning and domination of the Rule of Two, and that gave the Sith even a chance to defeating the Jedi and take control of the Galaxy, which means that the Sith Lords who came after him never had a chance to do the same.
Palpatine was foolish to lead the Sith and Empire like the way he did but the One Sith were even more foolish they became a more old school verison of the Brotherhood of Darkness.
Only one of them Fundamentally right was Redd... Though he never really was a true Sith since he infiltrated them... An unlike others in the Lore that merely claimed to want to for generations he ACTUALLY saw right from start what they was an what he'd probably become an went on a rampage slaughtering them from within when he got powerful enough an felt the time was right to take it to them... Even going far enough as to decide HE would have to die too if he should become Sith enough as to be way too much like them.. which guess he finally decided had happened or would likely happen.
Bull. Palpy Boy was intending to live forever through essence transfer. He would have lived forever in Legends continuity if it was not for someone sabotaging all of the facilities where his clones were being made who he had trusted but who turned against him.
Not only that the Jedi had ruled for thousands of years yea they got sloppy but at least they ruled for thousands of years all that work the Sith put in as a whole for Darth Sidious to inherit the mantle and squander it in 20 years all that work for just 20 years it pals in comparison to the Jedi the ones he wanted to replace I respect his power but not his mindset
I know being pretty and cruel are staples of a sith but sidious don't treat the masses badly the rebellion wouldn't grow so large and empire could have last for 10000 years.
I agree. Palpatine is failure. Complete in a way. He didn't secure legacy,successor. He made Sith weak. Extremely narrow minded and stupid. I agree he wouldn't care. I think Lamaya,Redd and Krayt were right
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He was the pinnacle of the darkside but viewed himself as a figure above the Sith order rather than another member of it
Exactly that’s the cool nuisance about sidious the republic, force and even sith order itself was stepping stones in his eyes for him to be the ruler of the galaxy he alone stood at the top and care for nothing underneath him
makes sense why some compare him with vitiate
Pinnacle of the darkside yet only reigned suprime for 30 years... lol, pinnacle?
@@PugilistCactus lol power in the darkside isn't measured by years of reign, what a dumb comment
@@Professorlicme8 That may be true... but he was far from the "pinnacle"
They weren't wrong tho. Sidious fail the sith with these mistakes.
Only establish one true ruler and not share it with his apprentice.
Letting people who are not force sensitive have more power than your apprentice.
Turn a jedi to the darkside for the wrong reason.
Not preparing for the Jedi return to the galaxy when he thought they were gone for good.
exctly, its like history repeated itself...the fall of the jedi was for assuming there were no more sith...and sidious fall was for assuming that there were no jedi strong enough to stop him.
I'd argue that Palpy never once took an an actual true apprentice. Maul? more of a disposable tool than anything, Dooku? a pawn to be removed once he had outlived his usefulness, even Anakin was little more than a trophy in the end.
Forget the Jedi. Aren't there any good Sith after Palpatine? With the right teacher the power of the Dark Side could become a tool for good. True power is not conquering others but conquering one's own weaknesses and using one's abilities for the greater good of others.
@@Marudevameanwhile the sith of old "I have a hunch and I'm going to follow it."
Most were and are wrong. Most Sith after Palpatine chose to follow the old ways of the Sith, being more of a traditionalist with a more modern ideal to it, rather than truly breaking away and being a Sith and Dark Sider while not exactly following Sith ideology in general. Darth Krayts Sith were a modern refined version of the Brotherhood of Darkness but more pure in the Dark Side.
Lumiya and Caedus were Banite Sith but they only followed it temporarily. Anyways, with Palpatine, he broke free of all chains and therefore grew beyond any Sith ideology. All he needed was absolute power and control and make him the only Dark Side sorcerer. He was like Vitiate but rather than focusing on his own plans he had his own ideologies and philosophy. - Well, maybe the Sith that came after Palpatine aren't wrong, but they say what they say out of jealousy. And REALISTICALLY a galaxy-wide spanning Sith Empire can only last for a few decades at best. Marka Ragnos and the Sith Empires of old quite literally proved this.
Funny how Krayt turned into another Palpatine. He to decide to seek Immortality over passing Rule of the One Sith to a worthy successor.
I'd say every Sith wants immortality, one way or another. While that isn't exactly true, there's a good handful of Sith Lords who'd rather rule forever rather than in one life span.
Krayt's a bit different though in that he had a destiny/prophecy tied too him similar to Anakin. For him it was never about the Sith, it was about overcoming this prophecy. And he learned the hard way of course that people that are intertwined with the Force often create what they were trying to avoid.
@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues Despite being similar to Anakin, Krayt did despise him after everything. And interesting statement tho
@MichaelB07 Krayt had good reason to hate Anakin. Krayt never hated the Jedi, he just thought that they were flawed but their weakness led to their own defeat. He considered Anakin the ultimate traitor, and the years of hardship he endured didn't havr to happen. Basically Krayt saw himself as Jesus and Anakin as Judas and a failure. For one Krayt would've eventually gone after the Hutts and other criminal independents unlike Vader, Fel or the Republic. In fact it was fitting that Cole Skywalker himself was a criminal
The Sith Purebloods are rumored to still be around out in wild space. Due to their constant in-fighting, it is unlikely any of them will become powerful enough to be a threat in modern lore.
Also, a lot of ancient Sith secrets and super weapons keep getting found ... examples: endless supplies of holocrons and the Star Forge .
Or it will lead to History repeating itself with an Adas-like figure rising up to unite them.
It's amazing how Disney keeps finding all of these new things.
Mickey is strong in the Force.
You’d think the Sith would have had taken better care of their weapons and artifacts rather than them be scattered across the stars and discovered years later.
You're not wrong. There is a Sith pureblood faction around, but they balance both light and dark and refuse any force user, dark or light, Sith or Jedi from messing with their philosophies.
This was really well narrated. Good writing
I stand firm that Palpatine is not a sith
In fact, i think thats part of why hes exceptionally attuned to the dark
Palpi serves no ideals but his own
I can imagine Palpatine using order 66 to hunt down Sith rivals.
I've always had some kind of theory that contingency Order number 66 wasn't just some anti-Jedi order, but also an order that is for any Lightsaber wielder, aside from whichever Lightsaber wielder is on your side. The Clones didn't fire on Anakin since Anakin was still loyal to the Republic
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I would love to see a duel between Darth Sidious and Darth Caedus
That would be awesome to see
I'd love to see him matched against some of the ancient Sith.
Hell, Vitiate v Sidious for who's the greatest master of the Dark Side.
@phyrath5 definitely Vitiate vs Sidious
@@phyrath5 Pretty sure both the rule of 2 and legends make it clear the Sith get stronger as they continue up until Sidius.
Legends has passages that state Palps is the strongest sith to ever exist during his second coming iirc.
Even Luke thought it was impossible to defeat Sidius and succumbed to the dark side.
@Tony-lw5yp While this is the general line, Vitiate stopped being a Sith prior to the height of his power and Vitiate was rather ancient history by the time of the start of the Rule of Two and further lost a lot of the more sorcerous arts during the Ro2 era.
All this leads me to not be certain of the accuracy of that line when it comes to certain ancient Sith like Vitiate, Revan, and Nihilus.
He was contemptuous
Tulac Horde understood it better
The most compelling Sith in continuing the dark side teaching was none listed. The one I found most compelling was Count Dooku. When Dooku controlled the Separatists he had a firm grip on power, without allowing the grip to being a strangling grip onto power. Dooku was not wasteful and he believed that those that served him with loyalty and skill should not be wasteful for political posturing. The only time he did not do this was when Palpatine directly ordered Dooku to kill Ventress, he did follow this order, but he did so reluctantly. It should be noted that Dooku did not kill Ventress, through he ordered his forces to kill her sight.
All signs would have pointed that if Palpatine had died, with Dooku surviving and being victorious, that Dooku would have thrown out the rule of two and created something that was like a cross between the ancient Sith Council and the Jedi Lords. Dooku would have allowed Dark Siders under him to have power and authority, through not to the point of being destructive to him rule, nor the Empire he ruled.
Dooku was the change both the Jedi AND Sith needed. As such, both feared and mistrusted him.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 I fully agree.
Dooku presented a sense of self-control and self-awareness that many Jedi and Sith around him lacked.
Didn't one of the books mention something about how Bane, the sith before Palpatine's master, (if I remember correctly) created the Rule of Two, when the old order was more akin to just a Dark Side version of the Jedi? so technically the Baneite Sith are in fact betrayers of the very side they supposedly serve since there will always ONLY be TWO... so any Baneite SIth Empire is in fact an instant collapse in waiting?
@@jakeforgey5378 Well, Darth Bane created the Rule of Two around a thousand years before Palpatine.
The Rule of Two was tested almost every way possible before Palpatine became a Sith.
The flaws of the Rule of Two were already showing long before Palpatine entered the stage.
In many ways Palpatine was the end result of many of the flaws of the Rule of Two.
The Rule of Two in many ways were guidelines. The Rule of Two did not state how and what a master should teach their apprentice. As long as Palpatine had one apprentice at a time, he could teach them the bare minimum to do their job and Palpatine would still be technically adhearing to the Rule of Two.
This was because it was assumed that if a master did not teach the apprentice, the apprentice would find some dark knowledge in a tome or holocron to become more powerful.
Unfortunately, by Palpatine's time. Most such knowledge was either destroyed or locked away.
Dooku was easily my favorite part of the prequels and I hope his ideologies can come to fruition in some far future without sith or jedi. Honestly his ideas are probably the route disney wants to go in the long run as well considering they straight up finished off the sith in ep 9. With how they view the EU I doubt Krayt is coming ever but I wouldn't fully rule him out, and any Caedus dream is dead and gone unless they old yeller this timeline or something lmao.
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The Eye of Darth Sauron is too powerful; Mordor is a planet with the ultimate connection to the Dark Side -- even more than Mustafar, Korriban, and Dromund Kaas.
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Darth Wredd deserves an analysis of his own: he is the culmination of the sith: a self-hurting, broken and flawed concept.
Either out of envy or because he single handedly wiped out their order with his arrogance 😅 and self preservation
Or Both!
There’s been multiple Jedi purges, he wouldn’t be the first
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They all hated Sidious because the bar was so high in what he achieved, that they could only dream of coming close as to a sniff of what he has done. The only true competitor of the title of Emperor and in scale of power is Vitiate and Vitiate alone.
Might I add, Darth Krayt was completely made to try so hard to outdo Sidious, moreso in power scaling. Like supposedly being able to be leveled with post-ROTJ Luke Skywalker, enough to take on with him, Abeloth. Like - oooookay then. Krayt would've had the floor wiped of his existence if he even confronted Dark Empire Luke Skywalker. Yes, the one that literally became the embodiment of the force itself.
And to Sidious' credit, Sidious at least HAD an apprentice, a fair number of them. What did Krayt have? Oh, someone who's just sex appeal in Darth Talon and the other guys are just merely lackeys. What other overstretched accolades has Krayt been undeservingly given? He came back from the dead, because reasons. He tried being the master of force lightning which is laughable.
Sorry but these individuals do not exist in Disney canon. The power of one.
Caedus was stronger than Palpatine
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Hey, to be fair fight on par with Grandmaster Luke against Abeloth is one hell of a feat only comparable to the Son and the Daughter.
Yeah, technically Anakin was stronger but...
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They're just jealous of Papa Palpatine.
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Darth Bane would have also viewed Sidious as a fool. The whole point of the rule of two was to make the Sith stronger, so strong that no one would have been able to oppose them. By rejecting that idea and refusing to accept that he needed to train an apprentice to replace him. Darth Sidious set the Sith Order up for failure. Vader was a skilled executioner and commander, but he lacked the interest in discovering the deeper Sith mysteries and embracing the ability to rule. The Sith apprentice was never meant to remain a thug, but to rise and rule, Sidious refused to accept that, and his failure cost the Banite Sith Order a thousand years of planning and work.
Is that Sauron in the thumbnail?
No, that’s Palpatine
@@TheStupendousWave The one on the right looks a lot like Sauron
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I’m just trolling, yeah, that’s Sauron, haha
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Krayt talking about palpatine empire falling without him is ironic conceding his was the same without him his sith would fall
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Darth Krayt and Darth Talon would absolutely loathed Sideous bruh lol....They believe in the rule of one and think Sideous methods were selfish and not making anything better for the betterment of the sith as a whole....
You got that right Palpatine attacked his master being drunk if he hadn't. Plagueis would have killed him easily. but in my mind and others tenebrae Is the most powerful strongest? fastest and smartest sith emperor lord of all time in the history of Star Wars he's lived for over a millennia. much longer than Palpatine
Vitiate needed artifacts lol
@@小咲ーー Like I said, he's been doing this for over a millennia Palpatine barely could have handled a clone of himself.
The ability to live longer alone doesnt make him more powerful, sidious achieved even what vitiate could not and thats destroy the jedi and republic @@YayoHernandez-b1j
@@darth.dominus.the.savage Hiding like a coward and planning from the Shadows or what weaklings. and least powerful do that's what the Jedi will always be more powerful. And stronger than the sith no matter what?
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On a side note: The Rule of Two kept Palpatine from seeking godhood.
For a Sith to do the ritual to accent in the force, like Valkorion, making him a Sith god, the ritual requires a group of powerful force users as a sacrifice. Or, as Exar Kun attempted to do, an army of weaker force users as the sacrifice. Either way, if the ritual is successful, the planet the ritual is conducted on is wrecked, with most life being devoured in the ritual.
The Rule of Two only allows for two skilled for users, a master and the master's apprentice.
Though, Palpatine did allow force users as his "hands". Though, most hands were weak and barely trained in the force. As such the hands as a group would not be enough to accomplish such a ritual.
Putting a post "somehow Palpatine returned" Palpatine on this list would've been hilarious
The post empire Sith are exactly right, If Palpatine was worth a dam, he's have simply followed in Bane's footsteps when presented with another potential apprentice, Either finish the last one's training with a duel, to decide who will train the newcomer, or have the 2 students fight it out. Those like Maul, Ventress, Dooku, and Starkiller, were all wasted by this foolish notion Palpatine had. If he had followed the Rule Of Two correctly, either Maul or Dooku would have been his successor near the time of the prequels and either of them would be much stronger. Then the next generation would follow, with Anakin and Ventress. After that, those like Starkiller, Lumia, and Luke would be sought after. Thus each Sith lord would learn from their master and the order would have evolved and, possibly, never have fallen. Lumia is the one who followed Bane's teachings the best out of those after Palpatine.
He made it to where he would be the only ruler, and once he died, he would rather know the universe destroyed than live on. He had the power to aquire the title of an Emperor but didn't have the ability to ruel as one. He was more single minded as a goal of building bigger and bigger weapons but once thoes failed he would refuse to learn to try something new and just try to make a bigger weapon than a better weapon or better strategies.
I very much enjoy the thumbnail has a Sith to Sidious’s left looks like Sauron. Even he hates Sidious!
That one guy on the right is literally just Souron
I think it only fair to say that, Sidious didn't really break the rule of two. He had Darth Maul. Then after he found out about Anakin, he wanted him as his apprentice, which he got as Vader. And in the interim he had Dooku. But due to Anakin being weakened by his injuries from his duel with Obi-Wan and his own suit designed to protect him, Sidious knew he would never be on the level he needed to be to surpass even himself. So at this point its crucial to understand that there weren't any more apprentices to be had. Not any that would be able to surpass him and strengthen the Sith at least. And in the meantime he's growing stronger. But what else is he supposed to do? Stop lifting and just "pass the torch?" That is not the Sith way. It is taken. And then he found out about Luke and saw the potential in him to surpass his father and himself and wanted him as his apprentice. And he really needed him to turn to the dark side or be destroyed, because there really isn't any other force user on the level or even in potential of power as Sidious is during this time that would actually join with him and if Luke was to be left alive, he would grow strong enough to defeat him, but as a Jedi. There were slim pickings for worthy apprentices out there. Thanks to all the Jedi hunting, which I don't think Sidous cared that greatly about, if I recall correctly it was, more or less, Vader's obsession.
Remember that his rule and thereby existance of his empire was merely 30 years or so. Quite pathetic when compared to just about all previous sith empires.
Which is funny because a lot of the top commentors are saying that he "eclipsed what every Sith before and after has ever done"
Funny, considering the Rakata exist... And like, every other Sith empire lasted for more than a thousand years
yet none were as wholly powerful and extensive as the galactic empire
It's odd, if Anikan never lost on Mustifar, there's an extremely good chance that Palpatine would have eventually turned over control to him willingly.
nah its more likely anakin would get himself killed trying to overthrow sidious with his inflated ego. when padme confronted anakin on mustafar anakin was boasting how he can overthrow the emperor even then so had he not lost on mustafar anakins ego would be even higher then it was in canon so its very likely anakin will pull another stunt in trying to kill palpatine thinking he can defeat everybody but unfortunately for anakin its still too early in the timeline for palpatine to turn into a brain rotted idiot so anakin would die to sidious. its very unlikely anakin would wait to learn more of the sith teachings before trying to overthrow sidious
Lol no. Vader definitely would have still had to kill em.
I think Palpatine was planning on robbing Vader of his body. This wasn't stated, but only hinted. But since Vader's body got burned, Palpatine changed his plans and sought out a new apprentice.
Didn't know Lich King was in Star Wars, too.
I always forget that Sauron was a Sith Lord.
As for rule of two from before naboo to galactic alliance rule of two I count , Darth Tenabrous/Ruugis Nom,Darth Vienamiss,Darth Plaugeis/Hego Desmassk,The Stranger"Quimir",Darth Sidious/sheeve Palpatine,Darth Maul/Maul,Darth Tyranus/Count Dooku,Asajj Ventress,Savage Opress,Darth Vader,Galen Marek "Starkiller"/Starkiller/Perfect sith clone the Dark Apprentice, Darth Lumiya/sheera bree,Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo
How could anyone ever hate Big Pappa Palps ?
He was not only the Senate , he was da Man !!!!!!
Palpatine: They hate us 'cause they ain't us!
Vader: Master, that not a thing actual Sith say.
Palpatine: I will make it a thing actual Sith say.
The Empire fell with Palpatine's depth, but the same can more or less be said for Krate. Without these singular dark masters to hold everything together, most orders fall into chaos. Bane's rule of two is the exception, kind of, but even this has too many failure points and ended up the way of a short lived empire. In the end, the rule of two and the rule of one don't properly adress the core issue of stability. They merely subvert it for a bit.
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I'm glad I wasn't the only one who saw that
You too, haha
Not just the future sith hated him. The ancient sith hated Palpatine as well their spirits shunned him and plagueis
The thing is, a lot of the reasons the ancient sith dont like him are some of the very same reasons he succeeded in the first place anyways. Yes, the sith, as a dogma, are supposed to rule. Not the individual themselves. But even the sith before plagieus and tenebrous and so on, went practically unheard of in terms of us having a god's eye view of all of time and events. And those sith that will forever remain unknown, are not any better than sidious or any ancient sith before them. Kudos to the for passing down the dogma, but outside of that (because we dont know anything else about these siths' existence) that is all they got.
Krayt was interesting, but he couldnt remotely come close to what sidious did. And sidious practically did that by himself. And he only got fortunate enough to have all the apprentices he did because he was like the devil himself: giving everyone what they desired. And took down an empire using politics. Meanwhile, krayt was just chillin in his chair decades later to a system that was firmly established because the republic was always having trouble and krayt just having th power for himself (or for the sith as a whole to have) is such a cornball move because there will always be someone who is going to want his position instead of being loyal. So the rule of two, in essence, will always around in the sith faction. Because people are more incline to act on their jealousy. Act on their hatred. To be sneaky. To be a threaten no matter how loyal they are. Dog eat dog. Im no sidious dick rider. But at least he always knew that having too many sith around was trouble for multiple reasons. Thats why he never let vader or dooku and maul have any. Either he is taking your apprentice or you both can die together.
I feel sidious wouldve probably let almost any of his apprentices one day claim power but i think he was also so used to having apprentices one after the other that he wouldnt have cared for luke no different than vader. But every apprentice he had came up short on something
Maul being bested by a Padawan: deserved to die.
Dooku being bestes by anakin: too old and deserved to die anyways.
Anakin being bested by Obiwan: deserved to be stuff in an insufferable abd constricting suit and only valuable as an attack dog.
Luke: he was fully healthy and he had already bested vader but luke was still very much tied to the light. So he definitely wasnt going to spare him at that point.
He got used to having failed apprentices/pawns. Not true apprentices. So it isnt any wonder he broke away from the rule of two in secret
I think there's a simpler answer: he succeeded. For the Sith, one's success is a reason for another's hate.
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Unless I've missed it... But it would be a fun video to watch if you were to cover various important or big events Yoda has been part of, or experienced. I mean, given his age, he must've seen and been part of a lot of things.
All Sith both before his time and after hated him, after all he was a traitor to the Sith he not only betrayed the rule of two, but planned to let the Sith die out once he was gone if he did not manage to find the secret to eternal life, he did not wanna be replaced , and did not care if the Sith went extinct after him.
I consider myself an avid star wars fanand i've never heard of darth red before. If he was a sithlord that hunted other sith he should've been called darth blade.
Darth wredd, possibly the last known sith to exist, hated the sith and only became one in order to destroy them
Hey wave are you also the voice of Vaders order chanel you sound the same?
There were no sith after Palps. He was 'all of the sith', past, present, future. When he died, that was it.
Whatever came after him had to be something else.
I saw the thumbnail and was like, "Oh, Darth Arthas- Lich King of the Sith!" Lol! Who is that supposed to be? I'm watching the video now...
Okay but why is Sauron on the thumbnail. Was he upset too?
They thought he was failure but then, somehow, palpatine returned
I suppose in a Star wars vs Warhammer 40k audio series they are going to replace palpapltine with the imperium of man given of what they did throughout the stories
They always hate the GOAT
Lads im trolling. I know he aint the goat and i know his faults and failures
His sith empire was the shortest to ever exist. The goat, he is not. Yeah he was powerful, but his overconfidence in his control and the arrogance in his abilities, led to his sith empire's demise.
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He may be the greatest betrayer, but he was blinded by his need to be the center of the universe and the very force itself.
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I wish someone like Darth Wredd was the villain of the sequel trilogy.
The reason the Sith order will always be defeated. Its teachings are all about prioritizing the self, the ego. The order always comes second in the individual Sith’s priorities.
They all hated Palpatine out of jealousy because they were all either deformed clone no backstory gremlins or they were emos who’s entire backstory was just daddy issues
Completely disagree. While Sidious's Empire was short in comparison, he did something no other Sith could... He basically made the Jedi go extinct. He managed to get the most powerful apprentice he could in Anakin, but Anakin was too focused on his own goals and I believe he actually was never a true sith. He toyed with Obi Wan on Mustafar and created a huge setback in Sidious's plans. Even after decades of the Jedi more or less extinct, Vader still was focused on hunting them down, and was too obsessed with Obi Wan. No matter how you look at it, the Sith are always made to fail because of their hunger and desire for power. Vader was not a true apprentice and Sidious had to plan accordingly, Vader (not 100% sure) more or less never wanted to challenge sidious and carry on the rule of 2 culture. Sidious clearly could sense this and had to created back up plans. Ultimately there wasn't a sith that was stronger during that time.
Sideous only failure was NOT replacing Darth Cripple after his failure on Mustafar!!!
Do you think if the sith formed an order structure similar to the jedi but with there ideals they would be more successful?
...Creating lasting Peace....Did they all forgot.....PEACE IS A LIE !!!!
Yet somehow Palpatine returned.
There is nothing these Sith Lords after Palpatine could do that wasn’t done by him, and there is nothing these Sith Lords after him could have done to even eclipse his legacy, which these Sith Lords fail in achieving even a fraction of the control of the Galaxy has he had. Palpatine had a legacy of a thousand years of planning and domination of the Rule of Two, and that gave the Sith even a chance to defeating the Jedi and take control of the Galaxy, which means that the Sith Lords who came after him never had a chance to do the same.
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Even Darth Sauron? 😄
Thousands of years of work and plotting and he fucked it up in two decades. LOL
Palpatine was the perfect sith a fool who Doom themselves and their order. All the other sith were just mirrors of Jedi 😊
Sidious was truly and wholy selfish
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Darth Sidious didn't fail. Darth Vader did.
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Those other Sith where just jealous and Lumiya was failure . Also Palpatine was the Empire.
Palpatine was foolish to lead the Sith and Empire like the way he did but the One Sith were even more foolish they became a more old school verison of the Brotherhood of Darkness.
Only one of them Fundamentally right was Redd... Though he never really was a true Sith since he infiltrated them... An unlike others in the Lore that merely claimed to want to for generations he ACTUALLY saw right from start what they was an what he'd probably become an went on a rampage slaughtering them from within when he got powerful enough an felt the time was right to take it to them... Even going far enough as to decide HE would have to die too if he should become Sith enough as to be way too much like them.. which guess he finally decided had happened or would likely happen.
Darth Sauron was the GOAT!
Palpatine was both the Strongest Sith and the last Sith in Canon
Bull. Palpy Boy was intending to live forever through essence transfer. He would have lived forever in Legends continuity if it was not for someone sabotaging all of the facilities where his clones were being made who he had trusted but who turned against him.
Sauron AI image in thumbnail.... really?!
Not only that the Jedi had ruled for thousands of years yea they got sloppy but at least they ruled for thousands of years all that work the Sith put in as a whole for Darth Sidious to inherit the mantle and squander it in 20 years all that work for just 20 years it pals in comparison to the Jedi the ones he wanted to replace I respect his power but not his mindset
It the same like the reality! Nothing but greediness
There were people the Sith didn't hate?
Sidious is my most hated out of all the sith
But they hated everything. I thought that was their thing
Palpatine lasted so long.
He could have died many different times.
Ashame Legends isn't canon. The sith before Palpatine honestly made him look boring and lame to me.
Because he was a one trick pony all he had was his stupid little lightning trick.
I know being pretty and cruel are staples of a sith but sidious don't treat the masses badly the rebellion wouldn't grow so large and empire could have last for 10000 years.
Palpatine was a failure and Banes plan was a joke. Rule of 2 is a plan for the spiteful who have no plan for after.
I agree. Palpatine is failure. Complete in a way. He didn't secure legacy,successor. He made Sith weak. Extremely narrow minded and stupid. I agree he wouldn't care. I think Lamaya,Redd and Krayt were right
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If some one said he was all the sith I would be mad to, also #Disney Star Wars ain’t Star Wars
But somehow palpatine returned
But could they beat him tho lol ?????