10mm vs .357 Magnum for Bear Protection in Alaska
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2020
- Everyone says 10mm and .357 Magnum are equal. Is that True? Let's find out as we shoot the Glock 40mos vs. the Ruger 6"GP100 with Underwood Hardcast bear loads!
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Underwood hasn’t spiked their ammo prices during the ammogeddon. Supporting them only seems right since they are doing such a good job keeping stock and reasonable prices.
Agreed
Yep that sucks
Cheap flat rate shipping though.
They still are way cheaper than everyone else a year later. I support them fully. I’ve spent over 1000$ with them in the past year
Can't complain I get a military discount which is really nice of the company to honor veterans with a discount.
When I moved to AK over 8 years ago, I was told to buy a 357 Mag and file the front sight down for bear protection. When I asked why file the front sight down, I was told it was so I could get the barrel in my mouth easier for when the bear mauls me.
That's a nicer way to put it than what I heard
Well Boys. I guess to be sure better pack the Alaskan 454 Casull. Stub nose.
Erich Williams I had a boss that had a snub nose .454, he couldn’t control that gun for anything. Our unit had a range day and I had to miss it, but man I heard the stories the next workday.
@Joseph 10fingers 6Strings Richetti your dreaming on that one 9mm isnt a good round to kill a bear with
You better make a real good eyeball shot
More draw on bear targets videos would be great. Very much appreciate videos like this one as it helps me decide on future choices however not nearly enough "situational" videos are available.
Great video and I like that you stuck with the same ammo. I've done some similar testing with .357, but I don't have a 10mm to run it against. I have noticed though, that different revolvers have significantly different cylinder gaps and that this has a lot to do with overall performance, as much as barrel length. My next goal is to run a 10mm side by side against my Coonan 357 with similar ammo to see what I get. Running 125gr .357 through it I was seeing velocities in the 1560 FPS range vs the same round from my Ruger GP-100 4" at about 1500 FPS, but that is here in CO at about 6K ft.
Cool I'd really like to know the results. Keep me posted
Keep in mind that 357 mag has more potential than per round than 10mm because it has more case capacity and can be loaded way hotter because revolvers don’t have to same pressure limitations that semiautos do, and with a 180 gr bullet 357 Mag has more Sectional density than a 200gr 10mm, theoretically having a advantage when compared at identical velocity’s.
Check out episode 2
44 mag for revolver and 10mm for pistol. My choice for Mountain guns.
Good choices
S&W 629 with 300gr CorBons for me.
I'm about to get a 629 classic
Do you know that here in Texas we have Hogs up to 300 pounds and you can kill them with a 22 with a well-placed shot behind-the-ear I think you can kill a bear if you have a magnum as long as you place your shots in the right place I'm not saying that your 10 mag is not powerful it is but if you're only going to shoot beer I think it's over killed if you're shooting anything else smaller than a bear
Thanks for the shout out. GP 100 in 10 mm would do you some real service or maybe a SW 610. Agree with the other dude-10mm is the best mm
When I was young, I'm 74 now, and I went where the great bears roam, my side arm was a Ruger SS Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel in 45 Colt. My hand load was Nosler 300 grain partitions at 1,100-1,200 fps. I figured I had only 2 maybe 3 shots to stop a bear on the move from 25 yards. I saw a fair number of bears, only one got close enough for me to smell his breath and hear him pop his chops. The Ruger was in hand with the hammer back, lucky for both of us , he changed his mind. I would liked to have a .454 Casull! The only thing I ever shot with my Ruger was a Chevy small block, WOW, made scrap out of it. Still own the gun.
Love the stories! Great choice on the firearm and load! Godspeed and good hunting my friend.
Feel free to tell your experiences in the comment section as much as you want!
Back when I lived in Alaska I did a lot of fishing and some hunting and my top bear protection was a s&w model 29 4inch 44mag in a chest holster and a marlin 1894s 44 mag lever gun. For my EDC I carried a Glock 23 40cal or sometimes a s&w model 66 3inch 357mag but I always kept the marlin in the truck. Now that I live back on the NC coast when I got fishing or duck hunting I keep a s&w model 60snubby 357 on me and when I deer hunt I have a Glock 20 on my hip and my model 60 in my pocket or backpack as a backup
Not a bad set up for sure
Use what you shoot the best , is the most reliable, the power is so close it won’t matter and most likely you won’t have time to shoot more than 6 shots accurately .
Mark Alford so right !!! Can’t hit it can’t kill it !! Lehigh defense extreme penetrator 357 is ok 45/70 ok 12 gauge shot gun better !!! BEST OVER ALL DON’T GO WHERE THE BROWNIES ARE !!!!!
I shoot the .22 best
@@thomasmackay9264 C'mon man! Shotguns do not stop charging browns. They only piss them off.
Learn to shoot the better gun.
I own and love my many .357 & .44 magnums but 10mm and .357Sig are power + capacity and that means a lot these days. I enjoy lots of calibers and platforms. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching!
Thanks Brother. 10mm!!!🤠👍 Headed to the Turkey woods this morning. Hope y'all are doing great. Have a Blessed Day!🙏🕊🐟🦃🦌🏃♂️🇺🇸
Get a Turkey for me
@AL SUSPIRIA like anything else, yes with a good shot.
My guess was 10mm would penetrate more because it’s a heavier bullet. I was surprised the .357 magnum had less velocity, but you’re probably right about the cylinder gap. I liked the test though.
Thanks so much for watching. I'm pretty sure the low velocities in the .357 mag are at least partially gun related. Thank you for the comment
Find a 10 mm revolver then test that.
Why a revolver in 10mm? Kinda a pointless gun
One thing I think is often ignored is accuracy. Using a gun you are competent with is going to be more important than caliber.
Very much so!
Great test, thanks for all your informative videos!
You're welcome
Thanks for the stuff you do, Chuck! Two of my favorite calibers. Both look pretty good. I wonder if that coating actually reduces leading in a standard Glock barrel.
It's supposed to
Thanks for the great test and demonstration.
You're quite welcome
My two cents on best bullet for bear in 10mm-175/180 gr truncated cone pushed at max velocity. The reliability of feeding from the TC-the 180 gr weight which is adequately heavy without eating up case capacity and finally the 10 in a 6 inch self loader with 14+1 capacity is just about as ideal as it gets.
Timer draw from various rigs would be interesting. Obviously whatever you usually use will be faster, but it'd be interesting to see the mechanics of the various "standard" carry methods looked at while wearing actual field gear. Kind of a "He's coming right for me!" test. Chest rig, on pack strap, on hip, but with the gear that would be carried worn as well, to be realistic.
Good suggestion
Bad lot of 357 mag Ammo. Probably need to do test over with a s&w revolver 🤪
When are you going to trade for one😜??
That was a really inconsistent box of ammo, but, it reminds me also, of when I told you, that .357 Magnum, is not more powerful than 10mm. Especially in the heavier for caliber loads. They do over lap each other very well, and sometimes the .357 will out penetrate the 10mm, depending on what’s being compared. Here, already it’s not comparing apples to apples, because the bullet weights are different, and on top of that, crappy, inconsistently loaded .357 rounds. They are really close performers to each other, but it appears Underwood can’t keep people on the job, that have the care or skill, to produce consistent loads. It could be that the powder used doesn’t meter well in their equipment, or they frankly have an employee that just does not care. I’m sure it doesn’t pay well. The components are top notch, the quality of assembly is not. There are too many variables that can make them both beat each other depending on what’s being used, quality, consistency and component wise, and then the actual guns they are fired from.
@@dafawty9thstate830
as you alluded to a cartridge is only as good as it is made. that is also true for power. off the shelf ammo is quite a bit different than handloads, including bb and underwood. the 357 is capable of greater velocities and energies.
since different calibers do better or worse with different weights there is no legit way to compare performance by a specific weight. you can only go by light, medium, and heavy for caliber, picking the best for each. or as many subdivisions you want.
it mostly comes down to preference, revolver or auto. and some play the round count game. chances are, if you play the odds, the same job will get done with either
Theres something off with the 357 test. I’m getting 1325 avg with this ammo in my S&W M19 with a 4” barrel
@@robertstrickland2121 that's what I'd expect with a 4" barrel. I do suspect something's wrong with this gp100. Thanks for commenting!!!
When accompanying my adult son on his elk hunt this past year (in grizzly country), I carried a 12 gauge shotgun with Brenneke's slugs and a .357 mag with Buffalo Bore loads as a backup. Whereas I would have preferred a .44 mag, I find that the recoil is too great for my old a$$. My logic is that I could get more lead into the bruin with the .357 than the .44 mag.
Make sure that you waterproof those slugs. Slip in a river or stream and they're toast
If you can carry it a 12 gauge slug is one the best options. Many guides carry them, or something like a 45-70 which is the same idea, big, heavy slug
12ga slugs need to be waterproofed
@@AlaskanBallistics This is basically a non issue
Glad you waterproof them then
Great vid. I think 357 snub 2" is more commonly carried. I'd like to see how much more is lost . a compact g29 10mm vs 357 snubby
Great video idea I have a glock 29, I just don't know anybody has A 357 snubby for me to borrow right now!!!
Awesome versus video , Alaskan Ballistics !!!!!!!!!!!
Good video ! I've noticed a little difference in advertised velocities and my revolvers and semi autos. I tested certain ammo brands in both my 10mm Glock and 610 Smith and Wesson revolver. The Revolver always had a slightly lower velocity. This is due to the cylinder gap in a revolver. The gases just kind of dwell there and escape while a semi auto forces the gases down the barrel, or allow them to escape in the short rechambering time.
Very true. Thanks for watching. Did you notice this big of velocity drop in your. 357 magnums.
No disrespect, but that's bullshit and already been debunked, modern revolvers have the tightest cylinder gap and much stronger forcing cones that don't break as easily as older revolvers, they don't lose that much gas, plus the revolver has a true 6" barrel and the Glock 40 kkm barrel is 6.5" but you only using 5.3 because of the chamber and overall length of the cartridge, also if you don't use at least a 22lb recoil spring you're losing gasses through the breach.
Umm not true. MAC has a video on which 10mm revolvers don't get the same velocities as a 10mm semi auto with the semi auto having less barrel length.
I do use a 22 lbs recoil spring
@@AlaskanBallistics These are a S&W 610 6 inch and a Glock model 40 6". So, it's the cylinder gap.
Yes we need to see a quick draw video!
Good test! Thanks!
Wow, man... I’ve shot quite a few of the 38 special version of the hard-cast Keith load from Underwood and it averages just under 400 ft-lbs muzzle energy from 3 different snub-nose 38s (a Taurus 85, a Ruger LCR, and a S&W 642). I can hardly believe Underwood 357 loads can suck that much. Thanks for the test!
I think it's an issue with the cylinder gap with the firearm.
Discrete Defense Research Extreme penetrators are best , chuck knows lol.
@lifted_above actually it was both. Had the cylinder gap fixed now it's performing way better sees episode 2
Great vid. Really want to see a draw from holster vid between the 2. I switched from 44 mag to 10mm because if the accuracy and speed difference.
I'll look into doing it
Glock model40 10mm loaded up with Underwood ammo is a monster- I love mine… can’t beat it for Non-concealed handgun protection against all types of critters
Agreed
a 10mm loaded with underwood 180 grn. XTP is my everyday carry but when in the woods I carry my S&W model 57 in 41 magnum , I feel much more comfortable with the 41
@curtis6554 .41 magnum is nice
The 10mm is awesome and slightly more powerful but I love a 8 shot 357 Magnum revolver. Reliability is a must and I have never had a FTF, FTE etc carrying a revolver in bear country for almost 5 decades. Running speed loaders and being quick with practice you can reliabily rain down some lead pretty fast and I have seen some big bears fold up pretty quickly from a 357. It's just a matter of personal preference. They both will do the job.
I often carried both. Godspeed my friend.
I just looked up apple to apple comparision. 357 in underwood ext. pen. 140 is actually more energy. surprised me
imagine having 6 rounds of 357 instead of 14 rounds of 10mm really accurate in a Glock plus 10mm is more powerfull and a bigger diameter 🤡
@@SoWavvyy Don't have to worry about my smith and wesson blowing up on me like glocks have been doing. First with there .40s then the 22lr glocks were blowing up and now I see 10mm glocks blowing up💀
@@THEBROKEWOODSMAN Glock blowing up? Where? Give me a link. Smith and Wesson has a lot going for them but after having a shield plus I won’t ever go back because the magazines from the firearm crimps and dints rounds because of how tight the springs are.
Good video. Would also like to see how the 10 mm would perform with a 4.6 inch barrel.
Great video. I’m a fan of the 454 Casull for bear protection. It would be interesting to see the difference between the 10mm and 454 Casull at 10-15 yards.
Lol that's a big difference! Let me see what I can come up with
I can get off 3 good shots with my Glock 10mm to your one .454. That’s the difference.
@@jasonlommen4769 really ? so you have shot an attacking bear before ? lets see how reliable that semi auto is when you can only use one hand and you are running and or turned around and having to shoot in an awkward position. revolvers work better in those REAL LIFE situations.
@@megamilyon6111so YOU'VE been running from a bear and turning shooting your revolver from an awkward position?? Odd you'd be skeptical of him and not think we all would wonder the same about you.
I've never shot either at a bear while running, but I know this: IF MY LIFE DEPENDS ON GOOD SHOT PLACEMENT and not how fast I run, I'M NOT RUNNING.
@joeyoung3319 correct! You can't outrun them anyway.
Godspeed and good hunting in this new year my friend.
I live in Alaska I hunt in bear country all the time and I never go with out my all favorite S&W 500 with 500gr hard cast lead. But I do train and shoot it all the time. But I am going to get a 10mm more lead to throw is good..
A glock 29 as a backup to your backup weapon on your hip isn't a bad idea
Not only did 10 mm make it one jug farther than .357 Mag, but it did so with a better terminal ballistic shape that had a much wider expanded diameter that .357 Mag. I'd call that a pretty big win in my book.
No lie there.
@John Taylor Touche!
1988 I sold my Ruger .357 and bought a Colt Delta Elite 10mm.
Logan Waltz - the .357 was a 6 inch barrel.
It depends, on average 10mm heavyweight 180gr-200gr bullets do better than heavyweight 180gr 357 magnum, but when you compare lightweight bullets the 357 magnum quickly overshadows the 10mm & it goes back & forth.
very well done brother ! i need to get some of the underwood and buffalo bore to test in my new tac ultra 10mm (thing 2 in Pat RMG video) . even if the 10mm did slightly under perform the .357 having 17 rounds of 10mm on tap is better than 6 rounds of anything else !
Agreed
Very glad to see ammo manufacturer's adopting coated bullets in there line up. Now if the reloading manuals can get with it.
Agreed
Lookin like summer there. My favorites are the 10mm and 41 magnum.
It is sprummer here now
Oh and I've got a .41 magnum video coming up...
@@AlaskanBallistics - Great! Looking forward to it. I love my 41
@@troy9477 the only one i could borrow was a 10" tc contender
10mm is the best millimeter for me! I just need to own one now so I can confirm it 🤣 great video Chuck, good bless you and the family brother!
Yep get one!
@@AlaskanBallistics I've got plans in my head of building a 10mm P80 for my next build project. That'll probably be a while out though 😔 money is pretty tight right now
Great video Alaskan some interesting results
Thanks man
Well presented. Straight to the point. 10mm for me, simply because it has adequate power, more rounds, easier to shoot (for me). Glock 40 is also the choice for consistent trigger pull, reliability, and again, capacity. Thanks man
You're quite welcome. Love my g40
I have had plenty of automatics. They have all jammed one time or another. I know carry a revolver in Grizzly country just because they have never failed me.
Having looked at a lot of numbers and penetration tests, 10mm seems to be just about the best round out there for applications other than concealed carry (I'm not saying it can't be a good CC round, but lots of people have criteria for a CC gun that would rule out lots of 10mm pistols. If you don't plan to CC, those criteria go out the window). I think it has the best balance of mass, velocity and surface area of pretty much all the calibers out there. Carry it in a full size or competition/long slide gun, and you've got yourself a hell of a package.
Exactly, though my 29 for concealed carry can still get nearly 700 ft lbs with 155gr xtp.
10mm is the best Millimeter!
Springfield xdm elite for carry works great and can make a 100yard kill shot
@larryspoonamore7812 it does for sure
Thanks for the video, I've been wondering about the performance of these two rounds in hardcast. Have you ever come across the .45 ACP hardcast 255gr +P from Underwood? Normally I would say that the .45 ACP is less than ideal in bear-country. I've seen you shoot and carry the .45 Super in your G21 but I'd be curious to see how the .45 ACP hardcast does. And could it work if you had nothing else?
Going today to film .45 auto +p vs .45 super vs. 460 Rowland all with buffalo bore 255gr hardcast out of the same 1911
good vid, was curios about that. Also considerering hiking with an extreme penetrator 45 (not in a 1911) as it had the same energy as 357, and playing around with some very thick books it really goes deep. I may have to get the g29 for hiking though.
I just carried A glock 40 10 mm 7 miles miles. 29 is a nice backup gun I love it but it's not a replacement for a big one in the woods
Extreme penetrators are good. I think the hardcast will give you a little better penetration due to sectional destiny
Definately love to see a draw and fire for accuracy video!!
Okay cool thank you!
@@AlaskanBallistics #MeToo :)
@@AlaskanBallistics Yep, me too please.
Each to their own. No doubting the power of 10mm but I like and trust stainless heavy frame .357 revolvers. It's a preference and my shooting with a revolver may only be better because I favour a heavier gun.
When you absolutely, positively, have to kill a charging Brown or Grizz
12 gauge sabot slug is the way to go
If you have waterproofed them they are a great option. I prefer .45-70
12 gauge with slug and buckshot mix, and kneel down on 1 knee if you have the time, puts you on its level and you almost can’t miss, but if you stand up the angle makes a full charging bear hard to hit
Landon Curtis where do you aim?
I’m impressed with your testing. I’m in vested in 44mag, 454c, 460sw, 45acp, 12ga(slugs). Also thinking on a 460 Rowland conv. for the 45acp. Any chance you could test some of these?? Thanks!
I have videos on all of those... thanks for watching
This is why I bought the glock long slide and build my own loads using long shot. The more videos you make, the more money I spend sir!!!
Let me know what you're loading
I've been working my way through the big names. Hornady xtp 180 grains just blow up from 10 grains of long shot. I've purchased a box of nosler 135 grain to test but ultimately I'm buying new ducta bright 7a brass and will be loading 140gr lehigh xtp and 200 grain as well. With the higher psi tolerance of the nickel coated brass I'm looking to push another .5 to .8 gr of powder (11.8gr of longshot) to really push the limits of the 10
It would be interesting to see what the .40 s&w 200 grain hardcast would do. Sometimes more velocity means less penetration. Love your channel btw.
I'll consider our though that round could be overpressured
@Nazi RUclips actually I did a .40s&w vs 10mm 200gr hardcast video
how can that be, im curious to learn....
@Rob Richardson sometimes the faster bullet deforms more through a barrier target and therefore loses mass easier and gains width slowing it down more. Check out my 10mm vs. .40s&w Hardcast video for now info.
No as we
It seems you got a bad batch of .357 Magnum. Underwood has excellent customer service. I would contact them.
Will do so and I've gotten another box
Very uncharacteristic of Underwood ammo. Double Tap, Buffalo Bore and Underwood wilderness worthy ammo. Underwood is less expensive than the others.
next time try Buffalo Bore 180 gr. Hard Cast LFN-GC (1,400 fps/M.E. 783 ft. lbs.)
Logan Waltz - The .357 was a 6” barrel. And hard cast from a .357 is not much of a hunting cartridge. Small diameter hole, low velocity compared to a rifle, essentially non expanding ammo.
The standard deviation on the .357 Magnum was high, indicating there may well have been a quality control problem with the ammunition.
I love both calibers.. I would like to see a video on both; draw from holster and timed shots on target as well as a bench rested accuracy test,,, as well as a quick rushed multiple shot accuracy test for both handguns.. I know I'm asking a lot,, but Christmas only happens twice a year ( December & July) so that would fill my list... (for now ;-)_.~ ).... Thanks for the AWESOME Video's!
You're welcome. Will try to get to both. The ruger is going back to ruger
Pretty cool test. You can see the 10mm swimming in the jug before it sinks to the bottom.
👍
I been wanting to see this comparison, so thank you for it. I carry a 44Mag SB on my hip and a 45-70 in my hands in big bear county. My 357 is for city preds, however, in solely black bear country, I feel perfectly safe with a 357 only.
And the .45 aarp doesn't have the bone crushing power you preach compared to .357 mag, 10mm, 41 magnum, .45 super, .460 rowland, 44 magnum etc.. it doesn't penetrate as well as those. Penetration to the vitals is what kills, not bone crushing knockdown power or what ever magical non proven non scientific term you believe in.
.45-70 is of course, a great choice.
@@AlaskanBallistics I once watched another hunter empty his 1911 into a treed black bear sow in eastern Tennessee. She was big for a Tennessee bear, about 400 if I remember correctly (been at least 30 years ago now). She came down that tree after him with a vengeance, fangs bared and teeth snapping, and another hunter stopped her with a double shot of 12 gauge slugs. Upon skinning her out, all the 45 balls were found barely below the skin, stopped dead by the tough muscle of that old girl, (he was taking body shots only to see how well they would work in a crunch). Needless to say, he changed his carry gun after that little exercise to a 44 mag, right after he changed his shorts! lol
What bullets were used?
@@AlaskanBallistics Standard 230 RN stuff. Don't recall the brand. Probably whatever was cheapest at K-Mart that day.
Yeah that stuff usually isn't powerful or bonded.
Thanks for doing this test, I've been looking forward for a long time. What disappointing velocity from Underwood on the .357. I shot Buffalo Boars 180 grain load from a 6" GP100 and got 1,473 fps across a LabRadar.
I need to try the buffalo bore...
Now you're talking. Wow. Sounds like just the thing for my 4" 686, still my favorite revolver. First handgun i ever bought, at age 21. More than half my life ago now, more years than i care to remember.......
Nice comparison. Keep blowing the smoke
Good demonstration, thank you!
Thank You! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours
The 10mm has deeper penetration and roughly twice the frontal area after expansion. Plus, 10mm can fire more than twice the number of rounds in the same time interval, and can be reloaded much faster. 10mm for me.
That's what I have. 5" 1911.
I have both. I would carry 10mm in the woods with bears too. Everything you stated plus I shoot 10mm better with less recoil.
Only 10mm I would get would be a revolver anyway so getting a 44mag is really better then. Who wants an auto for the woods ?? Bears don’t shoot back!!!!
No but having more rounds is important as you'll never have more foot lbs of energy with a bigger gun, even 50 bmg has less ft lbs of energy than a charging 800 lb bear at 25 mph.
10mm has sufficient penetration, so with more rounds, and most people shooting semi autos better, why would you not want more accurate with more rounds?
@@AlaskanBallistics I mean I get the fear factor and all( though I didn’t grow up around brown bear country I grew up around alligator country) . But autos are subject to failure to feed and such not to mention some are more complex. Glocks are a little different in that they utterly simplified the automatic pistol leaving out safety’s and double action - it’s just pull trigger and go. Having said that you must still rely on proper function whereas revolvers are simple : keep pulling trigger until empty!! I guess since I grew up with revolver not automatic pistol( until adult) it’s in my blood. I love auto pistols more than anybody ! I have a beretta performance X competition pistol( among others) but my SW 686 plus is what’s by my bed not beretta because in the middle of night I don’t want to fiddle around with safety or other issues just get r done. I don’t own any glocks so there is that. The increased ammo is really main advantage unless maybe you say faster rate of fire. I just don’t think of autos as woods guns it’s just stuck in my stubborn head lol plus I want utter simplicity - thats MY fear factor ! So maybe double carry an glock as back up huh !
I love 10mm! It's actually a versatile cartridge. From light weight soft shooting to heavy, hard hitting. It and its little brother .40 are like the .22 short - 22 long rifle, .38 - .357 mag. , 44 special - .44 mag ect. All except capacity. That is always a bonus! Like an old buddy says, " Wouldn't it be a b!tch to be in a shooting situation and run out of bullets !?" I suppose you could always call time-out, right?!
10mm is awesome. Thanks for watching and the comments brother!
I think you need to do a test between hip holster and chest holster with the timer, I think the theory being that like a cross draw holster the whip past the target may slow you down
But it also keeps it above your waders when fishing and mostly out of the water
That's a really good idea.
Another win for the 10mm! Do you have an upgraded recoil spring in your Glock 40?
No not yet. Keep forgetting to order one
I was in Ak for a few years and saw a bear at great distance. My only thought was U need a bigger gun
Rick Carson lol
I've definitely never thought I needed a smaller gun.
A 357 or a 10 is good back up , but you are gonna still need toilet paper to back up your back ups.
Darrell Lee Lol, Lol, I carry my Glock 20 with alpha wolf 6.02 length barrel using extreme penetrators, tell you what a couple weeks back we saw a brown bear every time walking down boardwalk at Russian River getting to the sanctuary,,,,, I’m talking bout the mighty kenai river reds in Alaska. Buddy has his Glock 40 same set up. It’s no calm moment when u see that bear. If it’s a black bear I’ll frack him up lol browns are different,,,,,
@@damienbell3155 I thought i was well armed came up against a black bear with a 44 mag tracker 5 shot , put 4 rounds in it, first round he swung his head right when I pulled the trigger not a real solid hit , but it turned and ran ,not wanting a wounded bear around, next shot was in the flank ,they move fast missed the next shot. Then it turned to run into the woods and I got a good broad side shot ,seen his whole side quiver with the impact ,it just kept going with only one bullit left i made it to the house and grabed the rifle, there was no blood on the ground his fat sealed the wound. But a pile of scat from when the broad side shot hit. Couldnt find tracks for abought an hour of looking, made it back to the house again. Had set down the rifle 7mm mag. Making a phone call to get some more help,when I seen the bear again doubleing back for me a bit of a distance but less than 50 yrs , pulled out the tracker again all five rounds a few hit him he ran off again. I reloded the tracker again,grabed the rifle caught up with him on the ridge behind the house a bit more than a hundred yrds ,he was having trouble taking its last steps, when I finished him. It happens quik and i realized if it were a brownie ide a been toast , I try to carry a back up when i can now a days and always extra rounds.
Great Video. I was surprised at seeing a .357 magnum in the running as I always heard in Alaska, .44 Magnum was the minimum caliber for bear protection. I would like to see the draw from a holster and shoot comparison.
A lot of people carry a .357 though... 44 mag is much better....
Ya, like to see a holster draw comparison. And clearing a jammed semi auto, with a charging bear. Compared to just pulling the trigger again on the revolver, lol.
yes do draw from chest rig. I find my kydex is hard to draw from and if hunting WAY to loud
Will do
I have .357s, I have 10mms, but I ALSO have a long barrel S&W .500 magnum ;)
10mm.....other than that it's a big jump into weight, size, caliber with revolvers. No debate IMO of a 10mm over 357.
Very true. Thanks for watching and the comment
When you get a chrono reading just over 1000 fps when you are expecting much higher, you may be reading the shock wave's shadow travelling at the speed of sound. I sometimes get about 1050 fps for 17 cal bullets going much faster.
Yeah but that means these bullets aren't traveling directly over.
Excellent comparison !
Thanks Jerry!
Pre-viewing comment: if they are both hard cast. Than it dont really matter, shot placement be king at that point. And training with your gun.
Post viewing comment: 10mm for brown bear country, and 357 for black bear country. Atleast in these loadings. Although 180 gr of hard cast lead going 1200 fps, is definitely still making it through a grizzly skull.
@Ben Woodcock If you get off seven shots at a bear, you weren't in danger when you started shooting. Most bear attacks don't give you enough time to get off four shots. If you can't get it done in two, you might as well carry a note asking to be buried with all that extra ammo.
@@TheCharleseye Guess you haven't heard of this guy: www.wideopenspaces.com/alaska-man-kills-charging-brown-bear-with-a-9mm-pistol/
I'd like to see the 10mm tested on a real piece of meat, something with some bone too. Hardcast and hollow point.
I've done some videos like that
a target made of meat?
@@scottstewart5784 you mean the famous "meat target" of Paul Harrell?
@@k_enn yes, THE MEAT TARGET!!!
Hard cast only for bear defense, no place for a hollow point. HP don't penetrate enough and shed weight too easily if they hit bone.
Excellent video ! I was surprised to see the .357mag perform so......marginally . I thought for sure it would attain the listed velocity , but your evaluation demonstrated the hard truth , the 10mm is the clear choice to go with . Again , EXCELLENT VIDEO !!!
Thank you kindly. I was disappointed in the .357 as well. Hopefully we'll figure out what's wrong.
@@AlaskanBallisticspoor ammo choice
Maybe but it also had a bad barrel and cylinder gap. Ruger fixed it for me
Excellent insightful helpful video.
Thanks for your dedicated work.
Would you consider those rounds adequate, effective on Black Bear and Grizzley Bear?
Those Underwood 180 grain 357 magnum rounds are said to be;Top of the Line in superior power factors.
Either way with either the 10mm or 180 grain 357 Magnum are known to be effective rounds.
Yes a drawing video would be good.
Safe Journeys !
Yes they'll work on a grizzly if you place it in the right place. But that's true even with .454 casull or .44 magnum.
Well with low velocity the Underwood 180gr under performed. The buffalo bore 180gr is much better.
@@AlaskanBallistics
I agree with you. Big Black& Grizzley Bears have been stopped killed numerous times by different people using Handguns in Hunting or Wilderness Defense situations.
I am confident at having designed an effective world reknown RFN bullet series knowing the Bullets
capabilities with the noted experts along with myself all having quickly stopped and killed several Wild Boar with the use of my Universal Bullets in percussion revolvers.
That with the use of my Universal Bullets in properly loaded percussion revolvers such would be effective, sufficient at stopping and killing a Big Black Bear or even Grizzley Bear with them.
Underwood needs to look into this and take all necessary actions to;
up the charge and or quality control on their 180 grain 357 Magnum round.
Let's not forget that Alaskan Guide Phil Shoemaker who effectively stopped and killed a charging Grizzley Bear with 9mm 147 grain + P Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman in a
S&W 3953 9mm pistol.
Keep up the good work. Best Wishes & Safe Journeys!
The places I get ammo are always both out of .357 and 10mm.
Sounds liek it's time to get a new place. We always have it here in Alaska
It’s available online but then there’s shipping $
A Smith & Wesson Revolver, six inches or longer and an L Frame or larger, would've produced better results. I have a Desert Eagle 50AE for when I visit Wyoming Bear Country.
Yeah I'd like to test a Smith
This was very interesting. I just bought a S&W model 686 and am enjoying it very much. I had no idea how that round compared with the 10MM. I would think the semi-auto with that powerful of a round would be much better against something like a bear. I still can't shoot the revolver as well as my XD .40. so I would imagine there would be not only an accuracy advantage but also number of rounds advantage with the semi-auto.
I agree. But even the most reliable semi auto can jam or break or in my case use error.
10mm another great review. Would like to see 40 s&w 200 grain hard cast either buffalo bore or Underwood.
Will look into it
This is very disappointing seems like Underwood is very incompetent in loading 357 magnum.... maybe for 357 we need to get Buffalo Bore, Underwood is NOT measuring up.
Thank you for another really good review.
I've got the. 357 to test in buffalo bore
@@AlaskanBallistics ill be looking forward to it ☺
Definitely Buffalo Bore .357 magnum and Underwood 10mm. That's what I use.
He didn't get the right underwoods. 125 grain solid copper quad flute is king.
How do you think a Coonan 357 mag would do ?
Or a 357 mag, ruger black hawk 6 1/2 barrel.
Please advise.
Thank you for sharing..
For bears, you don't carry a single action revolver.
@Logan Waltz this was a 6" barrel gp100
@Logan Waltz single action for bear is slow
Alaskan Ballistics Logan would be the one I would want for my hunting partner. He wants to carry expanding rounds (from different comment) and now he wants to carry a single action revolver. I can’t run fast or far anymore & with him as my hunting partner I don’t need to. I can just walk out. By the time he clears his holster w/ that Blackhawk, Mr Griz will have finished appetizers, had dinner, and Be beginning dessert !!!
Great video! 👍🏽
Thank you! Just released an episode 2
Please do a (quick) draw video with timer + bear target. Your attention to detail helps break this all down for a novice gunman / bushcrafter!
That is exactly what I forgot to film today in episode 2!
@@AlaskanBallistics Looking forward to it!
10 all day
10mm is the best Millimeter for me!!!
Is that really hard lead? Seems to deform a lot for just a dinner plate.
Dinner plate is denser than bone
Box specs in 10mm underwood are for g20 with shorter barrel.
Actually talking to them in some customer service emails, they test Their loads in a 5" 1911
Revolvers always makes bullets go slower because of too much gas escapes from the cylinders. Compared to a semi auto pistol. Try shooting it from a coonan 357 pistol or q desert eagle 357.
If i could find one I would
I would like for you to tie two big grizzly bears to a tree, somehow get them very agitated, and then test the 10mm against the .357. Nothing like a real life example!
Good idea😜😁
Sounds like how scientist would test stuff back in the day like all the Nazi human test I’m sure there were tons of animal test similar to this comment!
How do you decide which bear gets which gun ??
Would need thousands of bears for each calibers, if you wanted that to be really scientific. 😂🤣
Yes 10mm won this contest. And I was surprised on the 357 magnum performance. So glad the 10mm is getting more popular. It should have always been but we know the 40sw story😄. The chest rig draw would be neat👍
Both will do the job but IMO after growing up shooting .357 Wheel guns and now having carried a G20 and G40 in the NW Backcountry for over 20 years... I think the Glocks platorm is better then anything available in .357. I can carry a lot more firepower in 2 15+2 mags of 10mm then I can .357. Great content mate. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for watching and the comment!!
I used to practice a lot with my 454 Cas..... but I am not getting any younger and have settled for a Glock 20 these days.
Nothing wrong with t that
10mm was impressive
Damn!! This video should go viral, most amazing comparison ever made! The mythical 10mm outperforms the famous 357 Magnum and leaves it in the dust, un-be-bloody-leavable!!
Please share then sir...
I remember a video Paul Harrell did comparing the 357 to the 44 Magnum in kinda came away disappointed a bit in the 357 mag.
Interesting I'll have top watch that one. You be the judge.
Happy July 4th man. Think their was something definitely off with those 357mag rounds. My dad carried a 357mag for years when I was a kid was his ccw carry and his back up gun for hunting. He had 3 inch taurus and a 6 inch turas. He carried winchesters silver tips in it
Actually this fire arm shoots that low of a velocity with everything I've tried, it's back at ruger for evaluation
@@AlaskanBallistics nice. To see ruger is a good American company and will do you good if it's on them. May just be a clyder gap issue.
On his tombstone reads, “IT WAS ALL GOOD UNTIL HE HAD TO RELOAD”
Lol Haha
AND the 10mm can easily have 15 bullets in the magazine, versus the six from the .357.
Exactly
Arrendo accessories has a +6 floor plate which doesn't add much to it's bulk and Kris's makes an extension that brings the capacity up to 30 +1 although that's quite a bit longer.
They also make 7&8 shot revolvers in 357 Magnum
@Kirk Chartier And neither of them work that well with heavy loads and heavier recoil springs...as we Americans tend to do.
@@AlaskanBallistics but you and Chuk's yourself did the test on four rounds and the best one of lot was the 140 grain Extreme Penetrator. And I currently do not have a 10mm but the Arrendo and Kris's extensions have worked good on my 45acp.
The 10mm is going to be one of my next purchases as it is the current hole in my stable.
Smith 627. 8 shots and heavy enough to tame a heavy load. A grizzly can be from a standstill to top speed in 3 bounds. If you think you're emptying any handgun before it's on top of you, you're wrong in most cases.
This test proves one thing to me, when I'm outdoors hunting for wild and dangerous "water jugs" or ":dinner plates" I'm carrying a 10mm !
Test the new " bear" bullet offerings from Buffalo Bore in .38 and 9mm. Both are hard cast bullets as well .
I might at some point. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.
Best millimetre for the win
A good ol 12g slug is enough to drop any bear from grizzly to polar!
Only if you waterproof it
Slugs will drown and not fire primer pocket and the opening on the front where the slug is will make it not fire... there's a few different chemicals you can get to prevent this and deal them up
@@josephtardio1086 yes go under water or get water into them somehow
You're welcome brother!!! If you live in the lower 48 warwolf ammo makes a waterproof slug. I can't get them up here
@@josephtardio1086 wow! You're a brave man living in New Jersey, the gun laws your state has are ridiculous, just as bad as New York and California, i feel for u guy's.
Honestly comes down to what you shoot better, if I can shoot a 3” group at 25 yds with a 357 then that’s what I’m going with, and vice versa for the 10mm
Couldn't agree more
Measure the cylender on the gp 100. It may have some low spots in it. By a few thousandths. Not giving it a good seal.
Thanks Good advice