10mm vs. 44 Mag for BEAR PROTECTION Short Barrel Buffalo Bore Dangerous Game Ammo
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- 10mm vs. .44 Magnum for Bear Protection. Can we talk about this subject anymore? Today we are using short barrels and the All Copper Dangerous Game ammo from Buffalo Bore.
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The 10mm looks way more controllable. I am happy to see that you remove the plates from the kitchen before shooting them.
The wife didn't like it last time I shot them in the kitchen
For sure. It looks as if you were going for a follow up shot with the 44 you’d probably miss
@Is it the Chad Possibly but remember a nature grizzly bear head is 1.5 times to twice the size of that plate.
Alaskan Ballistics Gulp... I did not know that. I like the wildlife here just ok thanks.
I think I'm better off with the bears than the gangs of Chicago
I have a Ruger Redhawk with a 5 1/2 barrel, i used it in el paso to shoot steel targets at 25, 50, 75, and 100 yards. I was shooting hard cast 250 grain semi wad cutters and got excellent results.
Yeah 4 to 5" minimum for 44 magnum
Out of the short barrels with this ammo, I’d take the 10mm. However, in bear country, I’d take my Redhawk .44 mag with 5-1/2@ barrel over both. Yes, it’s quite a bit heavier, but if my life depends on it, it’s worth the weight to me. I might think differently if I had to walk for many miles.
No that's a good solution for sure
He's only talking about these two guns in these two particular barrel lengths don't come up with extra ideas you had to pick between whatever he posted on this vid.
Manuel Silva Too bad. I did.
Who said, I have a 4 “ barrel 629
Mj Nice! S&W wheel guns are cool!
That velocity is on par with what I get with the Buffalo Bore 220 grn, out of my G29. I find that the same rounds shot out of my G40 give me roughly about 150 FPS faster velocity. I think that since the 10mm has adequate penetration using the proper rounds, the extra capacity is a huge advantage, but people have to train themselves to rapid fire on a small (skull size or about 8” diameter) moving target, and use all those extra rounds. Maybe a great drill, since having a moving target wouldn’t be practical for most people, is to have several 6-8 inch size balloons on sticks at random heights, distances, simulating a bears’ skull size and practice putting a bullet into each one as fast as possible, as if it’s a bear charging you. I’d start at about 30 yards with the first target between 3 and 4 feet up from the ground, and arrange the rest of the targets every few yards going towards you, where you are shooting from. Start from the back target and work your way up to the closest one, which should be almost touching you. Just an idea I just came home with. I haven’t done it, but it’s seems like a good idea for training to shoot against a charging bear or wolf. A few days ago, at 2ish in the morning, I was at my fish camp, and I picked up a dark silhouette running towards me at a 45 degree angle, and it started straight at me as it’s eyes picked up the reflection from my battery operated lantern behind me, the hairs on my back went strait as I drew my G29, and hit the light switch, to reveal a black wolf or dog that looked like a wolf, and I was able to get one shot off. I missed it about 20ft away, but it instantly turned 90 degrees to its left and disappeared into the forest. So the classic story of being able to draw, identify my target, and get an accurate shot off, holds true, to the idea, that it not only takes a pretty decent amount of practice, but a fair amount of luck too. That was the night we had to evacuate from our property near the beach, because of the Tsunami Warning, and my family and I had to immediately drop everything and head for high ground, which is my case was on the side of a gravel road before reaching Tustumina Lake, to sit and wait things out. The incident with the animal happened shortly after we had gotten back to our camp. What a night that was.
here is a good idea. get friends over have cookout then have a plastic gallon jug with Paracord run through a pulley hooked on a sturdy tree limb.two more cords also tied to handle. one person standing safe distance from the jug with 1/4 full of sand or dirt , pulling jug up/ down while two people pulling jug left , right, zig zag patterns the same
it can get crazy the faster it's done.dont invite anyone hot tempered and gets mad if laughter at . , no drinking ,it and guns won't work together.drawing guns for holster you will be using. everyone rotate so all shoot. keep it fun and safe.belive me,all shooters learn real quick how good they are not, it's a teaching tool that can save life's in a real life situation with man or beasts.. nanna and papa from the foothills of the blue ridge mountains in north Carolina wishing you well
Take up heavy drinking bro, you earned it.
Super interesting. We realized our square range plinking wasn't up to snuff to handle bear attacks (not just bluff posturing or curious bears). But when they decided to attack you, you'd either be shooting after being knocked down/knocked around - so you had to do the best you could to draw, fire and not shoot yourself or others. But for practicing, we rigged up a 5 gal pail, long rope and have one guy pull it toward the shooter (from behind him) over a bumpy gravel pit. We learned really quick to hold our fire until the fake bear was pretty close either with slugs or 44 mag as it was challenging to hit. A lot of bear safety info say not to let bears get inside a certain distance or they can close it too quickly and you can't get a shot off if you needed to. We found those distances to be too far... rather, have firearm pointed, try to get partly behind some sort of barrier (tree, rock) to make a direct attack a little more awkward, and fire when pretty darn close. If we went with the best practices, we'd have had to shoot a lot of curious bears or those just bluffing you to leave... which we did. @@johnnymccann5607
5” Smith 629 with BB 305 hardcast. Still the go to
I definitely want one
4" 629 for me with 300gr CorBons.
I love that gun! It's remarkably accurate, controllable and isn't too heavy or bulky to carry in the woods. Get one if you can!!!
I just got the 5" Classic
@@AlaskanBallistics nice! Can’t wait to see it featured on the channel.
6 inch,Dan Wesson ventilated heavy barrel 44 magnum with 300 grain hard casts for me.
Nice
Been my favorite go to gun for 38 years and going strong
8" Dan Wesson Vented heavy barrel 41 magnum 265 gr hardcast ! For big
Bear s great pills.
That sounds like a good rig
My 7 1/2 inch Ruger Redhawk 44 mag with Garrett’s 310 grain hardcast bullets.
Ruger can handle the hottest loads mage for thd 44 and it has an extra long cylinder to accommodate the extra length. The garrets won’t fit in the S&W 44.
I love the 44mag I use to shoot and reloaded too,I had s&w model 29 6 inch barrel, hunted deer,pigs and rabbits standard sites best shoot was 112 yards got mule deer,lots of 80 and 60 yards deer and pigs,rabbits was when ever I seen them always go for head shot even got rabbits on the run with in 25 yards i could get head shoot as thay run.
Its ben 30 years didn't have the power or bullets that have to day.
I prefer a 338 win mag for bears. And my Henry 45-70 lever action as a back up.
Me too
I don't blame you @Shawn
So what! The video has nothing to do with your choice.
I have vast experience in shooting both of these calibers. For bears, I prefer the .44 Magnum with a heavy hard cast bullet. In a bear attack, from a relatively short distance, 4 shots is about all the shots you can get off before the critter is face to face with you, so the multiple magazine capacity of the 10MM pistols is not an advantage. The .44 Mag. delivers much more kinetic energy than the 10MM. For self defense against a human , I much prefer a 10MM with 180 grain JHP bullets. I've been an active pistol shooter for over 64 years and I an a retired police firearms instructor.
How many bear charges have you stopped?
Probably just a lot of people's dogs
@@AlaskanBallistics
My guess is none.
Firstly will by far the most people be able to fire more shots with a 10mm before a bear reach them than they would with a 44 Mag.
Secondly will most people by far be more accurate with a 10mm.
Thirdly will not the increased kinetic energy from the 44 Mag matter much against a charging bear.
Both of them are powerful enough to penetrate enough, break bones and crush the skull when the right ammo is used.
Both of them lacks any sort of "stopping power" against a charging bear.
With any of these cartridges, you will stop/kill the bear by hitting the brain, breaking bones and/or hitting other vitals than the brain.
A 44 Mag in the heart/lungs will not kill a charging bear full of adrenaline any faster than a 10mm will.
But more and less powerful 10mm bullets in the heart/lungs will kill the bear faster than fewer and more powerful 44 Mag bullets will.
If you hit in the heart/lungs only, you better hope the bear dies before it manages to do much damage on you.
If you want any form of "stopping power" on a big brown bear, then you need a 12 gauge with slugs or a 375 H&H or similar.
Unless you are a VERY good shot with a 44 Mag, making you having no need for more than 2-3 shots to stop the bear, then having the ability to put more bullets with good/decent accuracy into a charging bear, clearly outweighs the more kinetic energy from a 44 Mag.
A friend I have, emptied his 44 Mag into a charging brown bear, but since he only hit it in the chest and didn't hit the skull or broke any bones, the bear reached him and injured him some, but not seriously, before it died.
After that, he decided to do as I do and carry a 10mm Glock with 16 bullets and always practice to shoot for the bears head/neck and not the chest as he did before.
Before that attack he thought that the "power" from the 44 Mag would be enough to stop the bear when shooting the bear in the chest and damage the heart/lungs.
Clearly it wasn't.
Against humans a 380 is plenty. 10mm is a bit too much. Unless you want to give the attacker a close casket funeral.
Amazing the 44 mag weight retention @Alaskan Ballistics
I don’t believe the 44 magnum would turn left or right when entering the chest cavity of a bear. I think your bullet just happened to hit at a certain angle being that they are water jugs. I think that is what caused your bullet to turn left or right when it hit the water jug.
It's the skull I'm worried about not the chest area. I've traded it for a 5" 629 classic
Yeah... I considered that an anamoly as well... IN MY OPINION... the .44 mag is more versatile in that you can load a mag down to special or other levels, but have the SAFE option of WAYYYY more power... :D
While not as tough as a bear skull, a dinner plate is much harder and will deflect a bullet easier.
I like that little Redhawk 😊
If longer bullets didn't tumble I'd like it
Great vid brother n thanks for sharing.
I would go with the 10mm in a semiauto, biggest reason is I train with Clock and SW platforms therefore in a high stress situation my muscle memory will be in its happy place when I grab the weapon. A little lesser punch for sure, however, I’ll get much better shot placement and I’ll take shots on target over throwing heavy rounds in the dirt everyday.
If you practice with revolvers and are comfortable with them, then I would go with a higher caliber for sure.
I couldn't agree more
Was out hunting with a law enforcement buddy from southern cali... he shot a squirrel with a .22 and a bear poked its head out of the rocks he was standing on... he did what he practiced with the pd and quickly shot at the bear point blank and missed 5 times with a g20... bear ran off. Maybe using a gun you know to make each shot count has less cross train errors.
Slugs like your cop buddy shoots as well most cops.
Great video @Alaskan Ballistics
Awesome video and comparison of two very fine rounds💪 I'll Take whichever one I can shoot the straightest 👊😎🇺🇸
I spent the summer set netting salmon on Bristol bay. I had my Super Redhawk Alaskan in 44 magnum with me, along with Buffalo Bore 340gr. +P+ hard cast lead ammo. Never felt a need to carry it but it was nice to have in the cabin which a bear had torn a hole in the wall to get in. We didn't see any bears but there were tracks by our net sites.
Wow... I'd definitely be carrying that with me.
@Peter Angles yes a bear can tear through the wall of a cabin. Happened before with an attack that happened quite a few years ago. The guy was trying to get away from the bear and it actually tore through his cabin wall.
Smith and Wesson Model 69 with a 4.25 barrel. Hits like a 44, carries like a 357mag. Its a quick and accurate shooter.
Not a bad choice
Nice my favorite revolver cartridge versus my favorite semi automatic cartridge those are some nice numbers out of that short barrel 44
Yeah it's got good numbers
Have both a 10 and 44 mag. Problem with the 44 is I probably would only get one or two shots. Kicks so damn bad it takes time to get back on target. I feel like with the 10 I could put a lot more lead in a charging bear.
Agreed. Thanks for watching
Honestly, I think you're right. With such a long bullet out of a short barrel it doesn't seem to be able to stabilize.
Traded it and got a 5" 629 classic
I’d choose 44 magnum any day!
Me too but not in this barrel length . Too unstable with the bullets
I have the Glock 20sf and love it any time I travel or go into the woods my I carry it with that very same ammo you tested in it. Awesome video.
Thank you kindly. I'm debating if i get a 20 or another g40 since it shoots so much better
I respect Your choice, still would prefer a tad longer barrel on 44 mag, at least 4 inches.
Yeah i traded that gun away because the bullets don't stabilize that well in short barrels. I'm getting a 5" sw 629 classic next month.
That’s what she said
Lol
@@AlaskanBallistics Are the results seemingly straighter? With the longer barrel I mean. Have you been able to tell the difference?
Oh yeah
Nice video...I'll stick with my 1895marlin TSBL ...TRAPPER 45/70...👍👍👍
Don't blame you there
As long as you waterproof the shells
A long bullet takes distance to stabilize or "go to sleep" as Jerry M. says. Jerry used a 460 S&W magnum 395 grain hardcast and it rose as it penetrated through the two ballistic gel blocks. So "going to sleep" is my description for a bullet stabilizing. 44 magnum revolver with two loaded speed loaders of 265 grain Buffalo Bore Dangerous Game loads.
You're correct about the distance of travel that may be required for a bullet to go to sleep but this applies to rifles not handguns.
The speed generated by a handgun is such that if a bullet isn't immediately stabilized out of a barrel, it will not stabilize while a bullet that is going to sleep out of a rifle barrel is already stabilized prior to "going to sleep" however its highest ballistic coefficient is achieved when it has gone to sleep. The difference between the two being a mere 2 to 3 percent in ballistic coefficient.
@@paulhomsy2751 the 460 S&W magnum has velocities that rival a lever action rifle. That statement by Jerry Michilek is valid and I concur and apply that to this scenario.
Great comparison!
I'll stick with my 44 magnum all day long
Me too I would go with a slightly longer barrel
Just got a 5"
I think in the case of these particular 44 magnum bullets are so long they’re not stabilizing properly, if you had a faster rate of twist, they would probably stabilize better and not tip, in my experience higher velocity bullets tend to be less stable through water and if they’re longer than standard for rifling twist they tend to tumble, that being said, I think I would still pick the 44 magnum revolver, because if the bear happen to grab you you can push the revolver against the Bears body and pull the trigger and it still function, where are most of my automatics do not function if you push it against anything as it takes the gun out of battery, and I don’t think most people if they were being attacked would have to sense enough to pull the gun away from the bear to make it work properly, but that’s just my two cents, if I had my preference I would probably carry the 10 MM for my primary gun and the 44 for back up in case things got really nasty
I've carried them just that way before
44 mag wins with double the energy and a bigger hole if you can shoot it well. I carry a 10mm cause it's what I have and prefer the extra capacity and though bears get all the attention you got to think about crazy people wolves and cougars. For everything other than grizzly I feel better with 16 rounds of 10mm cause I shoot it twice as fast with the same accuracy. Bear spray in my left hand 10mm in my right. Bear spray is more likely to stop the attack and pistol is just for backup.
I think I would take the 10MM but ONLY in the long barrel Glock. I would also take the .44 mag in ONLY in a 5.5 or 6 inch barrel.
Definitely don't blame you there
I would carry my 10mm Kimber 1911 over my 44 magnum Ruger Super Blackhawk. For me it's more about semi-auto vs single action. 44 mag is an awesome caliber, but with my pistol being single action I don't feel as safe with it anymore. We don't have a lot of grizzly here in Idaho, mostly black bear, but a friend of mine was mauled by a grizzly and it wasn't his sidearm that saved him that day, it was his bear spray. So both calibers have merit but I'll take my 10mm with bear spray as a backup.
Some impressive results i agree the short barrel isn't long enough to stabilize the round chuck @Alaskan Ballistics
Seen griz swimming in the kenia the other day and was reminded how big they can be..
I'm a big fan of hard cast bullets in handguns,, less pressure more velocity bla bla bla... Great video thanks for putting it out..
I carry mostly hardcast too
You can't beat the ole wheel guns! As far as semi autos go, I think 9mm and 10mm makes everything else obsolete. Just my opinion. If I lived up there, i'd carry the 10mm. Thanks Brother, Stay Safe and GOD Bless!🙏🕊🇺🇸🦅
@James_wingthwong_ Banks
If you can afford to shoot em
I agree the 10mm straight line penetration and 44mag for power chuck @Alaskan Ballistics
The long bullet in the 44 magnum in a snub nose is hard to stabilize. A 4 inch barrel would stabilize the 260 grain Dangerous Game bullet more reliably. 5 water bottles penetration is awesome depth.
If the bullet travels far enough it will "go to sleep" but at short ranges it does not have the distance needed to stabilize in flight aka "go to sleep".
The bullet needs a longer barrel to stabilize in the 44 magnum 265 grain. If it is rising it has not stabilized. Use a model with a 4.25 minimum length barrel to effect that or more. Or shooting a longer distance to allow the bullet to go to sleep as Jerry says.
Yep
I dont think ther would be much difference between the 4.25 and the 2.75. Even velocities are very similar. Long bullets are ment for rifles. But everyone wants to pack the biggest grain with the most powder in there cartridge... 😆
I love the 10mm but if I find myself in bear country I want my S&W 629 in .44 Mag with 5" barrel.
I don't blame you there
I live that 629 classic 5" btw
Its close but I would choose the .44 mag.
@@guaporeturns9472 You could always have the 10mm as a backup to your 44
As i do.
After watching several videos I bought a Sig 1911 in 10mm for personal protection in the wilderness granted I’ll never get to AK but I’m hoping to get to MT, WY and SD. It has a 5” barrel and has become my edc it’s so easy to shoot and accurate. Fast follow up shots are easy.
Nice! They make a great 1911 that's highly underrated
Great video
Thanks brother
44 mag has more power and if you only have seconds you better make the shot count you may only get 1 or 2 chances.
My thoughts exactly
Yeah, .44 Mag does have more power, so it recoils far worse, too. This could make you miss. 10mm might help you make that shot you otherwise would have missed.
I used to carry my .44 Redhawk until I had a bear in the alders at 15yds. I realized that if he charged me I would only be able to get off one shot.... and I was shaking enough that I doubt I would have hit him. I was hiding behind a tree... whishing I had a faster pistol. Just my experience. Of course I also had another experience with my 10mm when I ran across a pile of bear scat the size of elephant dung and wished I had my .44 or a .500! I carry my 10mm and am happy that I can put more rounds on target faster than my .44
@@texasbeast239 if your trained well, with the adrenaline that recoil will feel like a bb gun
@@akthad exactly, those saying I'll take a 500 Smith have never shot one, let alone under stress. I carry my g20 with 220 BB and a KKM barrel.
I've been to AK several times. The first time I went was to the coast SE of the Copper River Delta. Had my S&W 629 with me. The first big brown I saw I immediately felt under-gunned. I've shot a bull elk and several deer with a 357 mag and I would say I'm pretty capable with a hand gun. A grizzly bears skull is fairly thick and when they charge they come at you head low with nose high at about 44 feet/second. This position of the skull that's bobbing up and down as they run and the speed makes it extreamly difficult to get a head shot. Additionally there's a good chance that even a properly placed round is going to bounce right off the forehead in a straight on charge because of it's shallow slope. Lots of hard hitting mass and velocity is best. Like a frieght train going 60 mph. A round that does a lot of damage no matter where it hits is a good choice. Anyway, when I got back home to Idaho I promptly when out an bought a S&W 500. I feel much better in the bush now.
It's actually a myth that bullets bounce off the forehead. Skull isn't that thick.. that was with soft lead cowboy loads in blackpowder revolvers that started that myth. There's no where on the skull a 44 magnum can't penetrate
@@AlaskanBallistics Thanks for the educational note... Nevered worried about it much since I carry a 500 S&W now but thinking about getting a Glock 20 or 40 for capacity... I would expect there's not many other options to hit a charging bear except in the head.
@@kellygreene3402 with a g40 which i highly recommend over a g20, just worry about getting shots on the bear quickly. Then get shots on the head...
Don't forget to get a kkm barrel for fully supporting the barrel for higher pressure rounds...
I've been to Alaska fishing over 20 times. The first year the lodge said please don't bring a firearm. The first time in the bush we didn't go 100 yards and we ran into two brown bears. I never came up to Alaska after that with out a gun. For the first 10-12 years I carried a 629 that I love. It has the feel and weight I like. I carried Garrett 310 grain hard cast which I believe is one of the best if not the very best round for 44 mag bear protection. I then got a Smith 500 which I also like a lot and I like that it has twice the energy of the 44 mag. I don't think the recoil is that bad and I'm not a big guy. I think your just going to be able to get one shot off so shot placement is critical .This last Sept. we had a big bear come towards us and wasn't stopping, the guide asked for my pistol and the guide fired a warning shot. The bear turned and went back into the woods. This was a Yakutat bear which I think has been humanized. He wasn't afraid of people. In August I was fishing the Kanektok and we saw 7 bears. They all ran as soon as they saw us. A couple of guys on the Yakutat trip had 10 mm Glocks. I know that round is getting real popular. I feel more confident. carrying my 500 Smith with either Grizzly 500 or 450 grain hard cast traveling over 1,500 fps .
As long as you can put the shot where you need it. Muzzle energy isn't going to stop a bear. Shot placement and bullet construction will.
The Greenland Army that patrols the edge of the island likes 10mm. Might take 5 shots, and the polar bear might not drop until he's 5 feet away, but they do seem to like their 10 millimeters.
It works
I live and hunt in Wyoming in Griz country and while I have a 44 mag, 10mm and a 454 Casul, the Casul usually gets the call especially since I started using extreme penetrators 300 gr, I have shot them clean through an 8 inch dead pine tree. My thought process is that on an attacking bear I might get one or two shots before the bear is on me and if I have more time than that the 338 Rum will get the call. Our bears can get pretty big here too, in one of the areas I hunt a 10' 1100 lb boar was killed by game and fish that was killing cattle.
Not bad choices for sure
I carry the Glock 20. I’d like to see a comparison of a longer barrel .44 magnum vs G20 but not just penetration. I’d like to see timed under pressure shooting. Turn and have three seconds to fire as many rounds as possible, then see how many rounds, on target, each pistol can place.
I think I can arrange that. But I have a lot of other videos to edit and shot first
@@AlaskanBallistics Awesome. I have a hunch that you can put close to twice the rounds on target out of the G20 than you can with the .44 mag. Of course that’s just my assumption, it’d be cool to see whether I’m right. Great videos, keep it up.
I'll try to film it in March before bear season. I have a 5" Smith 629 and a glock 40 which has better recoil than the 20. That'll probably be what i do.
I have both a g40 and a superblackhawk 44mag. Both times I have seen a bear, hiking or hunting, I could smell them before I saw them. Local trails g40 all day long, but on those 3 week hunting trips, 44 mag will always be on my chest!
I've learned never to carry a single action. Check out my bear charging drill video. Can't find a good one handed operation chest rig holster for them.
Woods, Whiskey,Cigars
Exactly !
I own a model 329PD with a four inch barrel and the Buffalo Bore Dangerous game 265 grain Lehigh copper flat meplat bullet. It stabilizes the long bullet fine. Jerry M. of S&W speed team states a long bullet takes a longer distance to go to "sleep". A 395 grain hardcast gas-check flat meplat bullet out of a 460 S&W magnum revolver was riding out of the clear ballistic gel so he shot lower and it went through all three and out the back...
well done video.. congrats..
Thank you
When I carry in bear country, I use a Taurus model 44 with an 8 3/8ths inch barrel featuring an expansion chamber and porting. It's big and heavy, but it fits in a shoulder rig and packs a wallop. I generally choose hard cast flat nosed lead bullets for maximum weight and penetration. There are bigger and more powerful handguns, but this is accurate and allows fast follow-up shots.
As long as your Taurus works. A lot of them don't. Had 6 Taurus in the counter that wouldn't lock up properly
@@AlaskanBallistics , I'm glad that you mentioned that. Great point.
@Final Countdown I hate on them because I've seen them fail too many times. Absolute junk
I'm sure there are lots of qc issues with rugger and Smith... but it's not 8 revolvers that won't lock up sent to the same store... no Taurus is junk and you're absolutely not smart if you're carrying a Taurus in bear country. Might as well find out what it is like to be bear dung.
@@finalcountdown7658 call the cabelas in Anchorage and check my story. If any of the same employees are there they'll verify it. I'm sorry you like shitty guns and are so poor that that's all you can afford and have to call me a liar to make your obama loving butt feel better about yourself. Keep drawing with your crayons
Have you considered a 4-Bore saw-ed off or a pistol punt gun? Very dangerous at short distances, much protection.
Maybe
Very cool 😎 new sub
Thank You Michelle
Love it! What do you think about the 10mm revolvers? Ruger and S&W make them, and have even seen some bored to take 10mm magnum(yes and odd round and would have to reload) but just thinkin
Fun guns... they lose velocity due to the cylinder gap. Kinda negate the purpose of owning a 10mm.
If it would stabilize in a 4" barrel, I would prefer that! If I didn't have a gun to stabilize the .44 mag I would carry the 10mm. BUT, I believe (from watching others test them) they will both work well with the correct ammo, and it really is a matter of choice! I wouldn't feel under gunned with either! But my true preference would probably be my 5" 1911 in .460 Rowland! 😉
I like .460 Rowland as well... ruclips.net/video/lWFytI_XMv0/видео.html
i kinda agree with main man, capacity is better with the 10, but time is of the essence , and if i only had time for 1 shot, i'd go with the power of the 44 and hope. but the 10 really impressed me!
I love my Tanfoglio S1 Xtreme 10mm with 15+1 and I like the lightweight 2400 fps 10mm ammo (780 ft/lbs). Light armor piercing too :-)
Pistol rated armor sure
The 44 bullet seems to have more frontal damage, compounded by higher velocity may be causing the bullet to veer off instead of taking a linear path. Hits hard, though! Useful information, thanks.
A lot of bullets tend to tumble out of that little .44 magnum
Or at least tumble upon impact
Bear fat, bone, and muscle is going to act very differently than water. A gel test would have been a better simulation
I would like to see this test, same calibers, but longer barrels.
Working on it. Picking up a .44 mag next month. Problem is ammo for it. No .44 magnum anywhere here
Here's the same ammo in 10mm with multiple barrel lengths...
ruclips.net/video/OvdBl4HFRsE/видео.html
I had better luck with the Ruger 44 Alaskan. The problem with the 44 is that the recoil is so tough that it's easy to anticipate the recoil and pull off target . It comes with Pachmayr grips with padding to absorb some of the recoil so I would not replace it with wooden grips that would transfer the full recoil to your hand especially if you intend to use it for protection in the wilds.
I've done a video on the Alaskan and would agree that's its way better. I've done some horse trading around and now have a 5" 629 classic
I switched from a model 69 to a Glock 20 and I love it fun to shoot tons of aftermarket parts to mess with I haven’t changed anything besides a rubber grip but may do the kkm barrel but also I heard if you just clean it after you shoot the lead cast bullets you will be fine so I’m not sure but I have limp wristed the gun on purpose shot it with both hands and sideways cannot get it to malfunction not saying some guns aren’t just lemons but I’m impressed
Glad you enjoy yours!
@@AlaskanBallistics thanks I was going to polish the feed ramp on the factory barrel but then I figured I better leave the factory barrel factory so I ordered a kkm I want the option to have it threaded later or ported how much extra length should I have over factory for that
@@milkrvr4088 6" don't get it ported... we'll lose any velocity gains you get. Get a 6" threaded. Or just get a g40 slide and the extra weight in the front of the side will take care of it for you
I hunted in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming 25 years ago and carried a Ruger SS Blackhawk in .45 Colt. with a 4 5/8 barrel. My load was a 300 grain Nosler Partition at 1,100 fps. Never had to find out how good it was on a Great Bear, but it would blow up a small block Chevy! In black bear country I carried a Taurus Tracker .44 mag, because it was double action. The load was Hornady 265 grain at 1,300 fps. Always have more gun than you think you need when something takes a mind to eat you!
Glad the Taurus didn't break on you like they usually do.
@@AlaskanBallistics I have had the Taurus for about 9 years and have put 400 rounds of my hand loads through it. No problems
You got a decent one then. We shipped about 8 back to Taurus on a row for a gun shop i worked at.
I agree I love my Ruger super Blackhawk hunter 44. I don't leave home without it.😊
Test the Underwood 44 mag 305 grain bear loads
Cool I've got a box and already recorded the footage. 😁
It's a slightly tough decision between 44 mag and glock 10mm. Yes the 44 mag is much more deadly against a bear but the glock is deadly against bear too. Especially if you have good bear rounds. Plus more capacity with the glock and easier to manage recoil and have follow up shots.
I've read stories of bear taken down with less powerful cartridges than both the 10mm and 44 mag as well. So while a bit hard of a decision I think the 10mm glock is the way to go especially with using it for potential self defense against criminals too.
I often carry both. Godspeed
I'm a .44 fan of both the special and the mag... the mag tho, can be loaded down for when you'd want to do that... (???? :D)
Yes
Haha why not? It's stronger than steel anything that would blow it up would blow up a steel frame too
Note 10mm doesn't even match 41 magnum loads like they claim. but polymer guns have been proven reliable and anything that blows them up blows up a steel frame too
Just the video I was looking for...thanks! I have a 29-10 in 4" so hoping I have a bit more control and velocity than demo'd here. Am also picking up a G20 all the same, and still don't know which I'd carry...thinking the Glock. Just love my 29, though!
I often carry my glock 29 and my 5" 629 classic both. And a rifle
Good show!!! Thanks!
Michael Herrell
Thank you!
I’m thinking the 44 mag with a 4” barrel. Should be enough to stabilize the bullet and give a touch more of impact velocity.
Agreed
@Sixgunner dot org Ceramic is brittle. Fragile.. Bone is a lot tougher than a plate. By your reasoning, if I punch a plate like the one used, I'd break bones in my hand?
Then why does it tumble in newspapers and ballistics gel...
Correct
I believe that the barrel barely stabilizes the bullet enough for fight to a paper target. But once it hits a medium it starts to tumble. This happens with every load I've tried except for underwood 185gr jhp, which is short..
A bears skull is also a hard target and therefore if it deflects in a dinner plate. It'll deflect in a bear skull, possibly not hitting enough brain matter to matter...
I traded it for a savage 110 in 6.5x284 Norma
10 millimeter would be my choice
I want to try these and the extreme penetrators in my 5" 629 Classic. Thanks for another good review Chuck.
I've got a video on the xtreme penetrators in a 5" classic
@@AlaskanBallistics I'm hunting it down right now. Thanks sir.
@@AlaskanBallistics I was just rewatching this video and in addition to potentially using this ammo in my 5" 629 Classic I wonder how it would behave in my Marlin 1894S with a 20" barrel. If anything could stabilize the round I think that could.
Maybe... it's awfully long.
Thanks Chuck. I would go 44 in Alaska or bigger. I did switch from 3"629 for woods in the Northwoods black bear protection to a G29.
It gives more capacity and more convenient carry with my gear & equipment.
The velocity from the 44 was surprising. Kudos to Buffalo Bore. What is the typical velocity of the 255 gr Keith SWC that you mentioned in that gun? Is it similar, or even a little higher due to the lead bullet? Something tells me it woukd do fine at "only" 1200 fps or so
Here's the video on them...
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It's going around 1230
Not owning either caliber 😢 I'd go 10 mm, if it's the best caliber for you it most certainly would be for me as well 😉 I hope the t shirt sales are doing well. God bless brother 🇺🇸
Ahhh only 12 shirts still... will make a full video tomorrow
@@AlaskanBallistics Sounds good! I really hope you're able to reach your goal. You've got an excellent channel and the info you provide and support of others is truly amazing. I really do appreciate it 👍
Amazing weight retention in the copper 265 grain 44 magnum Dangerous Game loads. Short barrels on 44 magnum moving fast is a recipe for tumbling. Modest velocity without a damaged meplat keeps penetration high and straight.
Can't wait to try out of my 629 5"
The cut to the over looking eagle is classic!!!
Thanks that's one of my favorite photos I've taken
The only problem is that a hot loaded auto tends to malfunction when not in a proper grip. I suppose if you have an auto that you have tested in all types of grips and movements with the actual load you're going to carry, then great. Otherwise, the revolver is the far more reliable gun.
Why I carry both often
That's how I do the dishes sometimes....wife stopped asking me to do the dishes, it's been a while anyway
Nice
"The dishes are done, man!"
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Underwood Ammo Extreme Defender RULES!
Yes but not a bear load as both the xtreme hunter and xtreme penetrator lines from Underwood penetrate more
I hike in National parks in Montana and Wyoming. I carry 2 cans of bear spray and a Glock 30 with a KKM .40 Super conversion barrel. Underwood sells 220gr FNHC, 200Gr XTP, and 140gr Xtreme Penetrator loads in .40 super Doubletap sells a few hollow point loadings and a 200gr fmj-fp, but I have gotten some bad rounds from doubletap in the past, so I stick with Underwood. I bought the barrel from Kevin McIntire at KKM before his passing and he really helped me get squared away with this conversion. I have never done any sort of "test" with these loads. I carry the Glock 30 because when I'm around general public in a national park, I choose to carry concealed, and the 30 just conceals better. I'd like if you compare could compare .40 super vs 10mm, .45 Super and short barrel .44 mag.
If the patreon numbers get up I'll look into a .40 super conversion at some point. I've shot one before, they're nice
Either will do the job. For extra reliability, always the hogleg. Scariest sound is a semi auto going click instead of bang in a bad situation.
Ill take the .44 mag in the tauras 8 3/8's barrel length anyday over the 10mil
That's a long gun to draw
@@AlaskanBallistics accuracy and velocity is key for me the longer 8 inch barrel more accurate then a snub nose 2.5 barrel and more fps to swing lead and copper down range
@@TheRealZJE313 i got a desert eagle .50ae all ready the problem is itz hard for me to get bullets for it in my area of the world Alaska rural Alaska
@@TheRealZJE313 thanks bud when i get rich enough ill get a barrel for my desert eagle
Watched again plus all the adds.... Thinking about getting a Redhawk they have long cylinders witch can be adventitious for handloading
Yep, but get a 4 inch
@@AlaskanBallistics yeah man I had a two inch 629...
With the recent events I figure a double action is needed, I've Consolidated to 357 for many reasons.... I don't recommend it for up here!!! With all that said I'm going to try 200gr loads, I think the Red Hawks cylinder is carpenter Steel or something like that 😁 🔥🐻😳
Lol that eagle was clearly eyeballing that dinner plate as soon as it went down
I'm really happy I took that picture of it.
I'd like to have the 44 mag just to know that I have the 44 mag lol But I'd probably go with the 10mm. More rounds and more comfortable holster options.
Desert eagle .44 loaded with buffalo bore 270grain heavies or underwood extreme penetrators. It’s a fast semi auto with 44magnum power, so I have both advantages of power and fast follow up shots.
Depending on your barrel length and muzzle brake options, you'll lose a lot of velocity. I've done a video on that.
But cool and a good option nonetheless
@@AlaskanBallistics 6inch barrel, bare muzzle.
Oh then you'll do b pretty okay on velocity how I'd love to chronograph that!
Flat nosed 429 vs flat nosed 40. Shorter barrel probably yields similar velocities-I’ll go with the larger meplat
You might consider the tilt of the plate, like a windshield it can change the path of the bullet.
Use s hot 357 Mag, the 10mm might have a chance
Well there's an angle on a bears head too
The longer barrel and slower velocity allowed the 10mm to stabilize better. If you had a 5" or 6" barrel on the .44 mag the bullet would stabilize better & not turn.
I agree...
How about the nearly forgotten .41 Magnum?
Got a whole playlist on it.
Hell yes, but don't stop until cylinder says click,click,click 🍎🔫
If all you had was a 15 round 9mm or a 8 round 45acp, what one would you bring and hardcastle or extreme penatrators?
Honestly 9mm, it will penetrate farther. I'd probably mix the xtreme penetrators with hardcast given their point of impact was similar out to 15 yards.
FYI Chuck I just run across this on my home feed. It doesn't look like it came up on subscription. Did you just post this today or is the date listed accurate? Kinda strange. I would have jumped all over this if I would have seen it. Interesting.
Couple of weeks ago.
10mm, because even if you are a great shot at the range, you may not always hit a moving target while you're under stress.
A great point
Yeah and when they find my mangled body in bear scat later they can always say atleast he missed with a 10mm
A 4.25 inch model 329PD would be my choice. The aftermarket stainless-steel S&W model cylinder I used to replace the titanium one it came which adds a touch more weight, but more trouble-free use.
That's a good idea.
I was about to comment I did not think a 2" barrel could stabilize right as you said that
would be curious on velocity increase in Glock 20 and 4" Smith over shorties. Also think heavy for the caliber "very" flat nose HC lead would get the "straight line" your looking for.
305 gr seems
to tumble as well. 340gr +p+ can jump crimp in small lighter guns. Im sticking with the 255gr Keith gas check from buffalo bore for now. But good suggestion.
I have a video with all three glock's on this ammo already
@@AlaskanBallistics I had bullet jump problem with a 454 and was able to keep bullet put with lee factory crimp. Still, it take a heavy factory crimp. With all that said mostly carry Glock 20 with 16 penetrators! Like the light recoil and small package.......... Always figured be old, fat, and slow, I will be shooting from the ground!
That's a good choice
Carry a 44mag lever action with a sling and a 44 mag revolver in your pocket. Bear will leave you alone to your backwoods salmon fishing all day. They can smell the 16 rounds of confidence.
Lol when i carry a lever gun, it's a 45-70
@@AlaskanBallistics no put that 45-70 in a derringer so you can shoot your way out
@@georgefloydspaceshuttlepro1839 heck no
Both would be great choices but I really like that 10mm.
I have a Ruger 5028...now I know the right round to carry , thanks. Great videos buddy :-) Should've called them Buffalo Bore skull crushers" !!!
These are definitely the WRONG round to carry.. they tumble and deflect. Not enough barrel length
Interesting rounds, but it seems like a hard cast will do as well but with a little more velocity behind it. They still look like good rounds and would work. I prefer shooting the 10mm, but both are keepers.
Out ofv the 2.5" barrel the Garver tumbles even worse
G40 MOS for walkin' through the Tongass.
Yep i love mine
I carry a Smith and Wesson model 29-2 44 magnum with an 8 & 3/8” barrel. Bet you’d get straight line penetration with mine!
I bet so definitely
If you can get it into action in time, yes. :)
Would it be more easy to hit with 44 mag if the barrel was 4 or even 6 inches.
Traded for a 629 5" classic
i havent watched yet the only vs is round count or how accurate your follow up shots are because of recoil bear loads in either are pretty high recoil
after watching im going with my G20 ...i wonder if they make that for 41 mag ?? weve had only one black bear sighting here in southeast indiana in 5 years ive been back so probably nothing to worry about
Please! Just edit bad shots and your microphone issues out of the video...
EVERYONE!!!