Looks great. Thinking it would be perfect excuse to get my retro mini consoles out again. Can Orion do 4:3 ratio? Seems stretched on the SNES footage here.
Oh thank gosh. I've wanted to do this for a minute, though not for gaming. Just wanna plug my iPad Pro in as a reference display because it's nicer than my IPS panels.
I got Orion working with an HD60s and wow, it is perfect. Surprisingly low latency, no screen tearing, perfect HDR support on PS5 Honestly super impressed
This is definitely one of those “IYKYK” features that will be hidden away for most iPad users. I love this though. Thanks for sharing your results with us! Swapping HDMI cables is definitely good troubleshooting.
Just tried with an elgato cam link 4k. No screen tearing or lag. Actually pretty cool! Edit: I’m using a generic usb c adapter to connect on an iPad Pro M1.
thats probably because the input processing is being made by the capture card and not by the ipad. the ipad is just getting the information already processed. but i think its amazing that an ipad is actually supporting input signals when almost every other device out there is just supporting output signals.
@@ReiHerrera that’s fair. I wanna say that it’s using UVC for the video stream, so in theory a faster processing unit in the adapter would cause less lag overall
Woah this is awesome! I figured it wouldn’t be perfect, but it can absolutely have some uses! Using it as a second display to have a PDF open for the PC, a video on the side, etc, would be freaking awesome! I didn’t even know this was possible until now!
No way! I’ve been wanting to do this for years! But now I have an OLED switch and have to decide between the larger screen of the iPad or better color and contrast of the switch.
Pretty sure the lag is down to the combination of the cable and the capture card. A good 8K capable HDMI cable and probably a better - and more expensive probably - capture card would work better. Awesome video, subbed!
I saw this video and immediately saw a use case for using iPad as an external monitor for things like connecting to mini PC's / raspberry pi's where input lag isn't really a big deal. If it can play games with minor input lag, it'll be a great fit for this!
That exactly what went through my head was, hooking up a raspberry pie also a lot of other people state there better apps and better devices that remove the lag and latency
This is a really slick feature that I didn't know about until your video, so thanks. I'm going to install the app on my iPad 10 and play around with it.
you need a better capture card and app. the app he recommended is an awful choice although the ui is pretty ive compared with others and its by far the worst
This saved me a lot of money because I already own an iPad mini six. This will be fine but I’m planning on streaming on Twitch in future soon. Play a bit of PS2 and this saved me a lot of money because I thought I had to get like a fool on streaming, PC and everything.
The screen tearing is likely a symptom of the capture device rather than the app. Going with a higher end USB capture card from AverMedia or Elgato and using a USB A adapter would probably fix the tearing issue and maybe improve latency if you're someone who would use this setup enough to make that worth it.
I’m using whatever capture device Walmart sells for around $20 and I get tearing. I thought it was the app because it goes away if I restart it. Lag varies depending on what game I’m playing. I use my iPad Air as a display for my Nintendo switch.
still an awful idea, remote play is literally free…why??? If you say ‘offline play’ - OK…..are you out in a forest playing your PS5 with a gas powered generator? What’s the use case for this?
Tried this with an ElGato Cam Link and it didn’t work. Apparently ElGato capture cards just don’t work with the iPad (I suspect it might be a power thing). Anyway, glad to hear latency with PS5 was minimal!
Interesting about HDMI cable changing lag… I very occasionally do some visuals for gigs, and I’ve used a setup where I feed output from an iPad into another machine, but the lag is problematic.
i get that ipads with a lightning port won’t work because the plug won’t fit, but if you had say a 9th gen with the os all up to date, and then you got a usb-c to lightning adapter and added that in between, do you think it’d work?
Ok i love my ipad mini even more now! Ill probably get a mac mini for this. But would love to see the ipad mini with faster refresh rate and brighter screen. But this also makes me wonder what android have to compete with this.
yeah i would really like to see if it can do 120Hz or VRR with 120Hz capable capture cards like the elgato 4k60 Pro Mk2 and how the input lag you talk about is with high end capture cards@@ByteReview
Nice! Please help, I've been trying with the HD60S, but it doesn't seem to be working. Does the iPad provide enough power to the capture card or do I need to have another hub to provide power? How did you connect everything together? 😅
I have two portable monitors already. And im also able to send video to my portable dvd player and even my car stereo because it also plays dvds. Ima give this a go🎉🎉🎉
Can it be any USB-C to HDMI dongle or does it have to be somethig specific? I have my own iPad HUB to connect it to multiple devices but it does not work with my Xbox. It does work with my TV - iPads display is transferred to the TV. Is there a difference between Capture Cards and HUBs? Somebody please help, I cannot find answer anywhere. There is no issue with the app because I tried multiple. I also have iPadOS 17 installed on iPad Pro M1. Everything seems fine but it does not work and I have no idea what to do.
The requirement of a capture card means this is a bit more expensive…. But for sure apple has to work on a full on integrated version where you don’t need a capture card. Just one cable, or an HDMI dongle so you can keep the iPad charged so it doesn’t die in the middle of gaming. I’d see this working well on the go with anything, especially a Nintendo switch in the car with a 100 watt hour battery that can support both devices, or just the switch in docked mode. Cuz Xbox’ and the PS5 would be pretty power hungry.
This isn’t working for me. Switch OLED - iPad Pro M1 Got the adapter your recommended in your links and an HDMI to USB C cable I get a signal but it’s the broadcast bars - no media will actually display
Try a different capture card and see if it improves performance. I have two capture cards, one by atomos and one by elgato and the elgato one is noticeably faster and has less lag and less connection issues vs the atomos one
This is cool to watch. About 15 years ago, I tried to run old consoles through my mac. The only option was a $400 "tv capture card" made by Elgato, and I believe it only allowed for cable tv (not gaming). Obviously, so much has changed, but a $20 solution is amazing 😂
Have you tried closing the app rather than deleting it? Also, lag isn't a problem on sidecar so that would be preferable to this solution when using it with a Mac although I guess it's not possible to get sidecar working with a Mac mini alone.
Hi really nice video. if you can try this, Please try this for me... Can i use a capture card to extend windows laptop display to IPAD?. I am not saying you have to use a the orion app always... is there any another app for it ? NOTE : I want to extend the display and not duplicate it.
I've been wanting to do this for such a long time now! So awesome this works. Oh boy I just noticed the super terrible screen tearing it has. That is unpleasant to say the least!
Hello, what hdmi cable requirement do you recommend for avoiding the lagging? Also the type c hub so I can charging my ipad air 4 while connecting to Nintendo Switch? Thanks in advance.
hi. i tried this but my colors are not working properly. everything seems morr blueish/avatarish. especially the players faces in fifa. can you help me with that
The latency might also be due to the capture card interacting with the App on the iPad having issues. It’s unlike regular displays just showing the signal perfectly. But most of the times it’s due to the cable.
Excellent vid as usual but this deserves a better capture card, try the Elgato HD60X. Would be interesting to see if you get HDR, less tearing and lower lag....?
i became obsessed with this when the beta for 17 was out. some tips, your capture card isn’t good. i bought that exact same one for the exact same reason probably reading the same sources to get this all running lol. but you need a more expensive one. 100-150$ capture card is for beast level but settling for around 70$ price range or the cheaper one your using is okay too. its just a whole lot less lag also, major tip here. three finger double tap on the screen zooms to fill. this works great with cyberpunk or gta with a ps5. three finger tap hold an drag to zoom, then if you have a mouse or magic keyboard you can use the cursor to align it filling the screen
How to charge the iPad at the same time, can’t afford a magic keyboard just to charge it. I am currently using Elgato and Thunderbolt 3 cable to connect it to my iPad Pro.
I might need to give this a test. I don’t necessarily want to game with this, but I sometimes need a quick screen setup for one of my home servers, and I do already have an Elgato HD60S that I could try it with. I do also wonder if a higher quality capture device would help its input lag. Realistically though, capture cards will always add *some* lag into the device to screen pipeline.
Can the iPad now also accept an external USB webcam? I tried connecting my Sony A7 IV the other day in video streaming mode, but I could not get any video to show up.
Yes it can, and that's strange I've had my A7iv work fine in streaming mode - you might want to check the cable and try the one that came in the box with the Sony - I seem to have lots of USB-C cables that do work for some things but not for others !
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Thanks for the awesome video! We just released Orion 1.0.2 with some fixes for an audio issue or two. Hope you enjoy! :)
Hey, you're welcome! Great job on the visual design for the app - looks fantastic! Keep the updates coming :)
It’s a great app. Would be awesome if you could add a recording feature.
Looks great. Thinking it would be perfect excuse to get my retro mini consoles out again. Can Orion do 4:3 ratio? Seems stretched on the SNES footage here.
I’ve been looking for an app like Orion but for the new iPhone 15 pro with usb c. Do you have any plans on bringing it to the new iPhone?
@@eeedawg1019 as far as I’m aware the iPhone 15 doesn’t support video input even on iOS17. It’s only available on iPadOS17.
Oh thank gosh. I've wanted to do this for a minute, though not for gaming. Just wanna plug my iPad Pro in as a reference display because it's nicer than my IPS panels.
I've been searching for somthing like this for years on youtube and gaming webs and all that staf and never find nothing. Really thank you man
I got Orion working with an HD60s and wow, it is perfect. Surprisingly low latency, no screen tearing, perfect HDR support on PS5 Honestly super impressed
Can you link the Orion device that you used and did it work natively
Give me link please
hd60s is not supported on the ipad (just tried it).. you have hd60s+ maybe?
This is definitely one of those “IYKYK” features that will be hidden away for most iPad users. I love this though. Thanks for sharing your results with us! Swapping HDMI cables is definitely good troubleshooting.
You're welcome!
Just tried with an elgato cam link 4k. No screen tearing or lag. Actually pretty cool!
Edit: I’m using a generic usb c adapter to connect on an iPad Pro M1.
thats probably because the input processing is being made by the capture card and not by the ipad. the ipad is just getting the information already processed. but i think its amazing that an ipad is actually supporting input signals when almost every other device out there is just supporting output signals.
@@ReiHerrera that’s fair. I wanna say that it’s using UVC for the video stream, so in theory a faster processing unit in the adapter would cause less lag overall
@@lilman227 did u try competitive fps like csgo or valorant? Is it viable to use iPad as a monitor with cam link
@@HighOnAgarbatti no, but I’ll give it a shot today
@@lilman227 thanks man plz let me know if it works
Woah this is awesome! I figured it wouldn’t be perfect, but it can absolutely have some uses! Using it as a second display to have a PDF open for the PC, a video on the side, etc, would be freaking awesome! I didn’t even know this was possible until now!
Glad to see this feature finally into the IPad. It’s such a game changer
100%
Why wasn’t it working with older iOS versions?
Game changer is not the term I'd use since android has had this for close to a decade. I'd say it's about time iOS is starting to open it's doors
its a game changer into the apple ecosystem. why android guys always have to come with the same argument? @@lucho3410
Have tried this and it works with absolute zero latency on my ipad 10th gen with xbox series s
Hi i hope you are doing well . I wana buy a new ipad could you please explain more about your capture card or what Equipment you are using
It would be better if you please send me a video of your latency ❤ thanks
No way! I’ve been wanting to do this for years! But now I have an OLED switch and have to decide between the larger screen of the iPad or better color and contrast of the switch.
Pretty sure the lag is down to the combination of the cable and the capture card. A good 8K capable HDMI cable and probably a better - and more expensive probably - capture card would work better. Awesome video, subbed!
Immediately going to be using this for a viewfinder! Or at least try it! Nice job mate!
Cheers! And yep, it's going to replace my camera monitor for sure
If you reduce the external resolution, the input lag should be less. I do the same thing with my galaxy tab and the app "USB Camera"
I saw this video and immediately saw a use case for using iPad as an external monitor for things like connecting to mini PC's / raspberry pi's where input lag isn't really a big deal. If it can play games with minor input lag, it'll be a great fit for this!
That exactly what went through my head was, hooking up a raspberry pie also a lot of other people state there better apps and better devices that remove the lag and latency
Did it work as a external monitor for you guys?
8:44 the reason for the screen tearing is due to Ipads not supporting FreeSync or Gsync. Nothing to do with the App necessarily
This is a really slick feature that I didn't know about until your video, so thanks. I'm going to install the app on my iPad 10 and play around with it.
Defo worth it!
How was your experience? I also have an iPad 10 that I want to use as a second monitor for a Windows 10 laptop
How was your experience with it??
@@sreyashpaikray2642 TBH, I never got around to installing it. I got sidetracked by other stuff and forgot about it.
I've tried this, and the screen tearing + input lag make it a terrible solution for gaming. this is a novelty at best.
you need a better capture card and app. the app he recommended is an awful choice although the ui is pretty ive compared with others and its by far the worst
@@RPGkanonwhat do you recommend?
Hopefully he replies… lmao
@@RPGkanonwhat’s the recommendation for all the best equipment needed with names
@@RPGkanon bro u cant just say this and not give an app recommendation lmao
This saved me a lot of money because I already own an iPad mini six. This will be fine but I’m planning on streaming on Twitch in future soon. Play a bit of PS2 and this saved me a lot of money because I thought I had to get like a fool on streaming, PC and everything.
The screen tearing is likely a symptom of the capture device rather than the app. Going with a higher end USB capture card from AverMedia or Elgato and using a USB A adapter would probably fix the tearing issue and maybe improve latency if you're someone who would use this setup enough to make that worth it.
I’m using whatever capture device Walmart sells for around $20 and I get tearing. I thought it was the app because it goes away if I restart it. Lag varies depending on what game I’m playing. I use my iPad Air as a display for my Nintendo switch.
@@DNMEBOY same thing will happen with me in OBS on my pc with cheap capture cards, not an issue on the better ones tho
@@solidstate000 What would be a really good capture card on amazon to get? to minimize input lag on ipad
@@luke25 probably the avermedia live gamer mini, runs about $70 right now
still an awful idea, remote play is literally free…why??? If you say ‘offline play’ - OK…..are you out in a forest playing your PS5 with a gas powered generator? What’s the use case for this?
Okay I’m really excited to try this now! Thanks!
Could we not use a Lightning to usb c adapter and it work on an older iPad ?
Tried this with an ElGato Cam Link and it didn’t work. Apparently ElGato capture cards just don’t work with the iPad (I suspect it might be a power thing). Anyway, glad to hear latency with PS5 was minimal!
Can we use it on iPad 6th gen with a lightning connector by using lightning to usb c ?
Interesting about HDMI cable changing lag… I very occasionally do some visuals for gigs, and I’ve used a setup where I feed output from an iPad into another machine, but the lag is problematic.
Try a more expensive gold plated hdmi cable for better latency and data transfer. Should help your lag issues mate.
For an iPad without usc c there isn’t other alternative?
i get that ipads with a lightning port won’t work because the plug won’t fit, but if you had say a 9th gen with the os all up to date, and then you got a usb-c to lightning adapter and added that in between, do you think it’d work?
Love this video you created which was a huge help to me in setup my son's Nintendo switch with all the corrected components.
Happy kid happy life.
Maybe a more expensive better quality capture card would have less lag and tearing?
How does the Steam Deck perform on this setup?
Hey, have you tried connecting the USB-C capture card directly to the Apple Studio Display to see if it would work as a monitor for the PS5?
This is class. Tempted to try it with my Steam Deck.
Ok i love my ipad mini even more now! Ill probably get a mac mini for this. But would love to see the ipad mini with faster refresh rate and brighter screen. But this also makes me wonder what android have to compete with this.
Oh unexpected but cool vid! Works with an USB-A capture card (I tried the ELGATO CamLink) and a normal dongle as well :)
good to know!
Very nice, I am going to get Orion and use my Xbox Series X to my iPad mini 6. Thanks so very much for the great content.
Can you use your Macbook pro screen as well with consoles ? In my case specifically a M2 pro
I've been testing this with an Elgato HD60+ capture card and any lag is imperceptible to me.
Sweeet I did wonder if this might make a difference, going to pick one up!
yeah i would really like to see if it can do 120Hz or VRR with 120Hz capable capture cards like the elgato 4k60 Pro Mk2 and how the input lag you talk about is with high end capture cards@@ByteReview
Nice! Please help, I've been trying with the HD60S, but it doesn't seem to be working. Does the iPad provide enough power to the capture card or do I need to have another hub to provide power? How did you connect everything together? 😅
Can you use a usb c to hdmi cable or do you have to use a usb c to capture card and then hdmi-hdmi?
You should buy the capture card Orion offers. Guarantees 💯
What a great app, thanks for the review.
I’ve been trying to do this for years!!!! This is great!
It's so sick
If there's still some input lag, then there's no point in using a cable in the first place. Just use moonlight game stream and be good to go.
Thank you definitely going to be doing this with my switch oled
the switch screen is big enough tho ipad only makes it 2x bigger
I have two portable monitors already. And im also able to send video to my portable dvd player and even my car stereo because it also plays dvds. Ima give this a go🎉🎉🎉
I have a glink hdmi to type c dongle but it doesn’t work. Any fix?
Can it be any USB-C to HDMI dongle or does it have to be somethig specific? I have my own iPad HUB to connect it to multiple devices but it does not work with my Xbox. It does work with my TV - iPads display is transferred to the TV. Is there a difference between Capture Cards and HUBs? Somebody please help, I cannot find answer anywhere. There is no issue with the app because I tried multiple. I also have iPadOS 17 installed on iPad Pro M1. Everything seems fine but it does not work and I have no idea what to do.
Could I use my device's frame hate (Tab 19 fe 90hz), or just the app's 60hz? Would there be any video capture for 120hz?
Hi do you have how to emulate these consoles? i only have an ipad and a PC. i want to play zelda and spiderman on ipad thank you
The requirement of a capture card means this is a bit more expensive…. But for sure apple has to work on a full on integrated version where you don’t need a capture card.
Just one cable, or an HDMI dongle so you can keep the iPad charged so it doesn’t die in the middle of gaming. I’d see this working well on the go with anything, especially a Nintendo switch in the car with a 100 watt hour battery that can support both devices, or just the switch in docked mode. Cuz Xbox’ and the PS5 would be pretty power hungry.
I didn’t watch the whole video but liked and am commenting to help Al Gore’s rhythm! 🥁 thanks for heads up, this is a game changer!!
where can you get the cable at 6:40?
Oh nice, never thought about using the ipad as monitor for the camera.
For the price of a capture device with acceptable lag, you could just buy a bigger portable screen with less lag
This isn’t working for me. Switch OLED - iPad Pro M1
Got the adapter your recommended in your links and an HDMI to USB C cable
I get a signal but it’s the broadcast bars - no media will actually display
Try a different capture card and see if it improves performance. I have two capture cards, one by atomos and one by elgato and the elgato one is noticeably faster and has less lag and less connection issues vs the atomos one
Yep, working on this
This is cool to watch. About 15 years ago, I tried to run old consoles through my mac. The only option was a $400 "tv capture card" made by Elgato, and I believe it only allowed for cable tv (not gaming). Obviously, so much has changed, but a $20 solution is amazing 😂
But does sound come through because i kinda want to hook up a dvd player to it
Bro I’ve got the same capture card, iPad Pro 2018, switch connected to power and no image is displayed on the iPad
Have you tried closing the app rather than deleting it? Also, lag isn't a problem on sidecar so that would be preferable to this solution when using it with a Mac although I guess it's not possible to get sidecar working with a Mac mini alone.
Yes, I did try closing it
Can something like this be done when plugging into a MacBook Air?
Hey, could you detail how you connected your camera to the iPad? I’m using a Sony a7iii.
Hi really nice video.
if you can try this, Please try this for me...
Can i use a capture card to extend windows laptop display to IPAD?.
I am not saying you have to use a the orion app always... is there any another app for it ?
NOTE : I want to extend the display and not duplicate it.
I tried it with sky stream but the the sound is all messed up. Not sure if it's my capture device or just the app.
I've been wanting to do this for such a long time now! So awesome this works.
Oh boy I just noticed the super terrible screen tearing it has. That is unpleasant to say the least!
Hello, what hdmi cable requirement do you recommend for avoiding the lagging? Also the type c hub so I can charging my ipad air 4 while connecting to Nintendo Switch? Thanks in advance.
Want to know it too
@@dedey0637 nice to know I’m not the only one 😁
Hi, I’ve been looking for something like this, does anyone know if it will work with iPad 9th gen?
Can u please explain me why nothing is appearing on my iPad mini 6 though I can hear the sound?
This looks so fun. Might start packing my console for hotel visits haha.
Yes!
Works on itx desktop pc?
I have an iPad 9th gen, which does not support any app I found on the Appstore for this purpose. Any solution ?
hi. i tried this but my colors are not working properly. everything seems morr blueish/avatarish. especially the players faces in fifa. can you help me with that
The latency might also be due to the capture card interacting with the App on the iPad having issues.
It’s unlike regular displays just showing the signal perfectly. But most of the times it’s due to the cable.
Good morning, can you used a tuner box so I can watch tv broadcast?
Bro thankyou for this useful video
Excellent vid as usual but this deserves a better capture card, try the Elgato HD60X. Would be interesting to see if you get HDR, less tearing and lower lag....?
Going to grab one and make an updated video when the app is a bit more stable for sure!
this only works with capture devices that work without a driver, so like a webcam (using USB-VC)
what is the name and link to that stand at 0:28 I really want that one
This is awesome, but it should be a native feature from Apple at this point. Plus Apple could make a killing selling adapters.
Is Orion still available on the iPad?
i became obsessed with this when the beta for 17 was out. some tips,
your capture card isn’t good. i bought that exact same one for the exact same reason probably reading the same sources to get this all running lol. but you need a more expensive one. 100-150$ capture card is for beast level but settling for around 70$ price range or the cheaper one your using is okay too.
its just a whole lot less lag
also, major tip here.
three finger double tap on the screen zooms to fill. this works great with cyberpunk or gta with a ps5.
three finger tap hold an drag to zoom, then if you have a mouse or magic keyboard you can use the cursor to align it filling the screen
Which capture card would you recommend?
About fucking time. Damn. Now we need this solution for Macbooks and other laptops.
does it required M1 chip as its not working with ipad pro 2018 type C
Does anyone know how to fix the aspect on the app so that it fits the screen???
Hello is the macbook air 15 inch m3 in 16gb unified memory, and 512gb ssd suitable to use as a monitor for nintendo switch? Will it have lag?
Great idea and videos. Thanks
I've been waiting on this for like 5 years now.
😟🎃 how do you connect a 10 oh switch on your iPad how to connect🙏🏽✍🏽✍🏽✍🏽✍🏽✍🏽✍🏽✍🏽✍🏽✍🏽🫵🏼
I have iPad Pro 4 generation but does not work ): is it compatible with it? I tried with many apps but no one works):
Glad to see more capability coming to ipad
Can we use lightning to usb c dongle for iPads with lightning cable
Do this applies to a MacBook Pro (newer model) ?
How to charge the iPad at the same time, can’t afford a magic keyboard just to charge it. I am currently using Elgato and Thunderbolt 3 cable to connect it to my iPad Pro.
Also if you use the setup I mentioned with Thunderbolt 3 cable there’s no input lag in Switch.
@@valdisplaudis I will try
I might need to give this a test. I don’t necessarily want to game with this, but I sometimes need a quick screen setup for one of my home servers, and I do already have an Elgato HD60S that I could try it with.
I do also wonder if a higher quality capture device would help its input lag. Realistically though, capture cards will always add *some* lag into the device to screen pipeline.
Damn lightning cable
In terms of connectivity between Mac and ipad, I don't think you will need an adapter for that tbh because sidecar is available on all apple devices
This though. You don’t need a capture card to use it as Mac external display.
Can you output HDR to the iPad display?
Can the iPad now also accept an external USB webcam? I tried connecting my Sony A7 IV the other day in video streaming mode, but I could not get any video to show up.
Yes it can, and that's strange I've had my A7iv work fine in streaming mode - you might want to check the cable and try the one that came in the box with the Sony - I seem to have lots of USB-C cables that do work for some things but not for others !
@@ByteReview You used the Orion app to receive the video or a different app? I tried using the camera in Zoom ….
Annoyingly, Zoom doesn't yet support 3rd party cameras! very frustrating@@terriplays1726
Will the apple pencil work on this so we can paint in photoshop?
Definitely going to use this!, would you ind letting me know what switch dock you use?
Amazing video💯......informative
Will this work with a Raspberry Pi 5 as a standard monitor?
Do you think a higher end hdmi adapter could improve or possibly remove lag completely?
Here is my question how do I connect it to the steam deck which has USB-C?
If you use this as a camera monitor, can you live steam the content via the iPad or is there limitations there?