i think that the real purpose for this EP was early insurance that they wouldn't get locked into the whole elegant vibe. like it's a concept that works for them and that they're really good at, but it's always a good idea to make sure you don't get pigeonholed into a single concept too early. like i wouldn't be surprised if they went back to the elegant concept or something closer to it in the next comeback, but this EP in particular really feels like them making sure they have the space to pivot if they have to or if the girls want to, and in that sense it really worked.
I totally agree. Twice did cute for years and then people were upset when they switched concept to something more mature (even though it makes sense because the members literally grew up). IVE is making sure the same thing doesn’t happen to them down the line. They’ve proven their versatility and willingness to try new things, and now they don’t have to worry about any experimentation they want to do in the future feeling like it doesn’t suit them or their concept.
That's a very smart move. If they ever change their concept in the future, it wouldn't be so sudden like what happened to Weekly with Ven Para, and they also prevent them becoming too stale in the future, so good job to Starship and IVE
Thank you people are doom posting about Baddie like it’s the end of the world or something when it’s just IVE experimenting with their sound and they already accomplished a lot this year (set to win Two Daesangs already)
Nothing has displaced Love Dive as my favorite IVE song, but Baddie is fun. It was surprising, and cute, and I really enjoyed the stage. I dunno if it will stay on my playlist for long, but I like it a lot. I do agree though, that it doesn’t quite feel like IVE. It's nice to see them do something a bit different though.
Versatility only works when the artist suits the concept. IVE trying to act like gangsters was a failed attempt and their act seems extremely fake. They looked like gangster wannabes and they don’t even have someone who can rap.
@@vixxexo6855 I’m sorry you don’t like it but clearly plenty of people did. Nothing about it felt tryhard or fake, or even like they trying to be gangsters to me lol. They were just trying to be tough while still being girly and they achieved that admirably
@@vixxexo6855 some of you say whatever at this point. ‘Act gangster’ lol what are you even talking about? Explain to us what a gangster is first and tell us how that’s related to this MV/song at all. The girls are literally doing a teen crush concept, they are not trying hard anything, not even to ‘serious’ rap, so YOU be serious. It’s just a silly fun song but some of you make it seem like they’re giving a thesis on something and failed.
I like the song. I still like "Either Way" more. I plan on checking out the album when it drops. I dont think this is a miss, just different. Either way, multi-stans, we are eating well this month.
I truly believe that Ive is one of the best groups in kpop industry but also one of the most hated with not reason. In this album they express themselves to concepts that people told they can't do it as an answer. First song Either way they aren't trying to be beautiful because a lot of people told that their success is because their beauty and they gave us a sad image as an answer. Second song Off the record is a song that they tried to make us seem them like girls and that they can have concepts retro like New Jeans. Third song baddie is a song that probably is a girl crush concept that most of their heaters told they can't do a concept like this. Ive is here not for views and success only but as artist you like them or not you can't say they are bad and don't see how talented they are. This feeling want to feel that people don't love them and hurt them every day trying to shut up their mouths
Ooo I agree! But I saw Either way as their comeback to all the hate, saying no matter what they say they’ll try keep holding strong and they keep saying their okay, but they’re really not
I feel like it's important for IVE to try different concepts, and switch it up here and there or else fans will get bored like what happens with lots of groups. They are also at the point of their career where they can really experiment, and this ep was a breath of fresh air. Either Way is a very beautiful song, off the record is chill vibes, and baddie is very fun and catchy. The b sides are good too.
It gave me same vibes as hypnosis 🤑like really that beats and lysrism is on top for me and each member has parts that compliment their style. IVE NEVER DISAPPOINT ❤️ The ep is so good another no skip 😔✨ My ranking that no-one asked 1)Baddie 2) Payback (another favourite b-side of me along with blue blood and shine with me) & off the record 3)either way 4)holy moly 5) OTT Stan Ive stay happy 😌
I think it's a bit unfair to compare Ive promotions with Le Sserafim or NWJs anyways. Let's not forget that even if their agency is far from being small, it's not one of the Big 3+1. So they probably don't have as much ressources as them. If we want to compare, maybe we should take a group from a company of Starship size. Overall I agree with most of what you said. I like Baddie, it's a fun song with cats and I'm going to learn the chorus choreo so I can dance to it. Not at I am level for sure, but their purposes are entierly differents. It's pretty nice to see them experiment. People will never be happy on that matter anyways : if they always keep the same concept, they'll call them boring, and if they don't they'll call them out for it. The girls look like they're having fun while performing it so that's the most important. My main complaint is that it's too short. I hate this trend of 2min30 songs. I wish the second part was longer. Maybe adding some sort of bridge or something. I don't know, I'm not a composer. But I definitly feel that something is missing.
i honestly love this type of music, and i also think that it fits thematically with off the record and either way. those two are more vulnerable songs and are expressing that there's more sides to them that people don't see. and then they drop baddie, a song that really doesn't feel like ive at all, but they pull off perfectly. they're essentially letting people know that their elegant luxury concept isn't all there is to them and that they wanna show that too.
The way people were so shocked when this was released lolll... everyone and their mamas were commenting "wow I never realized IVE can do such a concept" or "the way IVE capitalizes off of their elegant concept and now they are doing something different is so new to me..." and honestly all these claims are very valid and true .. an artist can keep doing one such concept for the rest of their discography and musical identity but that would get very boring and repetitive.. an artist can truly blossom if they can experiment their music ... not everyone would be interested nor would agree or like but for the artist's sake and evolution if that makes sense, as they mature or grow so does their music and identity as a group.. I think that is definitely a healthy move going forward.. IVE is one such example.. if you compare Eleven to now.. their most recents, Either Way, Off the Record and Baddie.. the way they are all different in terms of musical instrumentations and flow and everything else a musical major would mention.. but all these songs have an 'IVE' quality plastered all over it.. like you wont mistake that song as another group's.. like it is solely an IVE song which makes it so interesting and in a good way, identifiable in the sea of other kpop groups.. another main highlight is their chemistry.. their passion and love for good quality music.. they truly are artists (and its sad that people thought of them as just moneymakers and only there for the fame bc it is SO NOT true at all.. one example is Wonyoung, who writes lyrics.. she wrote Mine, Shine with Me (both in the first full album of IVE called "I'VE IVE" and another song called OTT in their first ep called "I'VE MINE) so calling these girls untalented if thats even a word is sooo wrong for so many reasons .. if I can end this whole rant I have going is that the hate they received was completely absurd yet gave them such a strong motivation to keep going to pursue their dreams as artists and produce unique and beautiful music that fits their own style.. Baddie is like Kitsch 2.0 that got more raps, traps and accentuates a more rebellious noise compared to her sister Kitsch lol (which isnt a bad song it's just it seems a lot calmer than Baddie) overall IVE MINE as IVE's first ep mini album shares us their more darker side, they are revealing to us more of the vulnerabilities complete opposite of I AM era where they were shown as luxurious and high fashion models lol.. Dives are literally winning like we are so well-fed this year I hope IVE can continue being this good and amazing and produce such high quality music because they are honestly such a gem like nobody does it like them
I think Starship got worried about IVE getting enclosed in the "soft elegant" thing, and just did an album to deny that completely. I mean, the album is called I'VE MINE and all of the songs are diferent to IVE's usual sound, like literally stating "we have our little thing, but we won't be afraid to sway away from it, so don't get to used to the elegant style"
“Cat theme is not shoved down your throat” 😂😂 Sorry but 3:55, the same time you said that, there’s literally a cat bigger than a mountain walking in the background LOL
Same feelings there! I normally don't really like this anymore recently and honestly this was soooo good! I noticed most people didn't really get the vision, which is sad! TT_TT
You are soooo spot on!!!! I don’t (sorry) like Blackpinks music or songs like it and IVE is my ult group and I found myself thinking, “this is Not my type of music normally so, why don’t I hate it?” I think the last chorus really helped tho, great vocals and ethereal vibes on many tracks this EP.
Yeah, this type of song is normally not the type I would like, but SOMETHING about Baddie is drawing me in. Literally, I don't know what they did with this song, I really can't put my finger on it for why I love how it sounds so much. I saw someone say it's like hypnosis, and tbh that actually makes sense! It's so hypnotizing, it's almost like it drones on, but in a good way. It's very easy to let it keep playing over and over again. I saw others say it's monotonous in a bad way, but I think it's in a good way. Just like how monochromatic can be a good look, monotonous can be a good sound if it's done right. Also the MV reminded me HEAVILY of the Ice Cream Cake MV from Red Velvet so I definitely agree with the comparison of Baddie to Red Velvet. As far as the concept, however, I love it! The lyrics too, they're right up my alley! I saw some people saying it just looked like tweens going through their emo phase, as if that was a bad thing, but I don't personally think that's a bad thing. Honestly, Baddie is basically cringe, but I'm not the kind of person who cares about anything being cringe. If I like something, I like it, especially with music. I want more groups and idols being cringe tbh.
I actually really loved this comeback! I feel like every girl has gotten to shine and show us how much they’ve improved. While I hear a lot of fans saying that members were mistreated, I feel like Gaeul and Rei, while they could have gotten more lines, still got to shine and had their moments (Gaeul is my ultimate bias)! Also, I’ve heard others complaining about Leeseo and Wonyoung being “favored by the company”, but they definitely both deserve the moments they got, and really fit the song imo. Leeseo stage presence improvement was CRAZY and I’m happy she got to show us just how much more charismatic she is! Overall, I’m really pleased with the “I’ve Mine” release, and all of the songs (and I mean all 6) were a really great addition to their discography!
I also didn't like Baddie that much because it felt like I've already listened to something like this before. Especially, after me being a kpop fan since 2018, I've listened to a lot of girlcrush before like blackpink, itzy, everglow. Baddie sounded familiar when I was expecting it to be unique. But after watching your video about Either Way, I kinda understood why they'd released Baddie. After all those previous classy and elegant comebacks which had created a metaphorical distance between ive and the audience, they decided to show the other side of them, more-human like (?) if I can say it like that... And now we know that ive are not only those princesses in a pink castle in the pink clouds, but they can be ive from Either Way and ive from Kitsch and Baddie.
I think they released this ep To open up to other concepts Bc Royal concept will get old as some point Example is Twice they did cute concept for too long and then had problems with changing concepts So Ive trying different things as rookies is a good choice
I know this comment is super late after this video was posted, but I do think rei and gaeul deserve more recognition as rappers because they write a majority of their raps which I don’t think a lot of people realize. Yes they are good at executing what they’re given, but from the raps that they have written for songs royal, after like, hypnosis, baddie, I am, and also helping write next page and not your girl, I feel like they deserve more recognition as rappers. I wish more people realized how good of rappers they actually are and see the effort those two put into the group.
I think the songs great. I think this will impact the girl group scene. Although I thought this song was good I doubt that Ive will continue going in this direction I’m excited for what other girl crush groups will do with it and how this will affect them
Some shots in the MV for 'Baddie' actually reminded me more of Red Velvet's 'Ice Cream Cake' rather than 'Birthday' cuz of the random large cats in Californian-like desserts.
honestly not one of ive'title tracks so far has been a miss for me, and it actually kinda rare for me i don't really follow them that much but every time i see they release new music i'm always excited, they just don't disappoint
I actually loved this comeback more than the I Am album one earlier this year. That album felt so out of place compared to all the Spring comebacks. This one is more fitting to the current trends and Baddie is quite suave. When I first heard it, I thought it was basic too but now its on repeat in my head.
This is my favourite title track after love dive by ive lmaoo ik other amazing title track exist but i guess i always wanted a good girl crush song but all we got was noises by teddy and some okish instrumental songs by everyglow (not really my style) i always liked the whole idea of it but it was never executed properly without looking outdated (styling and stuff) so here comes ive taking it by storm delivering it perfectly with amazing styling and an amazing catchy song which is pop perfection and doesn't get annoying like some of bp songs, styling this comeback was most coherent and best out of all and it is very trendy and felt very fresh and everyone looked good so ig that really played into it.
i think every groups needs a couple fun songs in their discography. I first listened to Not your Girl when it came out and i did NOT fit in the album at all, like no one liked that song lol. But when i listended to it a couple months later, apart from the album its just a fun song, its not a show-stopper but its just something fun to listen to while you do laundry
I felt a bit dissapointed because of high expectations. You see, they've showed so much vocal improvement, esp Liz, Leeseo, Wonyoung. I hoped to get a song closer to Ariana Grande. Their posh and luxurious image kinda fits this style of music. Also, concept-wise, in Either Way and Off The Record it seemed they've showed us their humane side, like they're humans, too. Baddie is like "nah-uh, you thought I was humane? Got ya, I'm baddie!" Like this part I kinda like. The song is a bop honestly but TOO short. That's the only downside for me. Even the genre is fine after I dismiss my expectations. Just gosh, stop making short songs! I get it that Spotify statistics shows clearly that 2:30 minute songs are most likely to be listened to the end, and there are certain girl groups that utilize it, but don't become them! Don't loose your identity!:)
@@ВасилийБлаженов-ж9е Doesn't mean they lost its identity. Also they're one of the most influential kpop groups rn, of cause other kpop groups are influenced. Doesn't mean they're straight up copying.
I agree with your review a lot, maybe not the MV part because I deeply dislike it, but the song review yes. This song is a total bop, is it generic? Yes. But is it the good kind of generic? Also yes. I saw multiple people say this should have been Itzy’s comeback, and after entertaining that thought and reading more comments, it seems like people are more surprised that this comes from IVE rather than that the song is not good. IMO Starship is experimenting this era, I am more than sure they also know this is not trying to compete by any means with IVE’s previous main titles. I think they saw the reception fans had for Lips & Hypnosis and tried to give us Off The Record & Baddie to see what happens. Even the writer of Baddie ( the same that made ELEVEN, Blue Blood & Holy Moly ) tweeted before the release that we might not like it and that’s okay, which further tells me that they know what they are doing still. I wish you touched on the EP too because I’d love to hear your thoughts. I absolutely love it. IMO this era feels underwhelming because of the uneventful rollout, new way of marketing and the fact that this EP misses that super strong, anthemic IVE title. If all these songs were simple b-sides, everyone would like them calling them ‘top tier’. But because they were elevated to the position of titles, people can’t help but compare to the BEASTS that the previous ones were. And ofc they don’t stand a chance. To me, all these releases have been top tier b-sides, the album overall is great, in some ways better than I’ve IVE. It’s not disappointing at all, it’s just that the titles have a heavy burden to carry for what they really are. But again, I think Starship knows, these are the same people that made their previous work, there’s no way they didn’t know this was a risky move. What I think gave them security to try was the fact that IVE just had their biggest hit in Korea, and if there’s a time to experiment and try new stuff, it is now, because that previous success is still lingering with I AM still top 10 on some charts. Even if this era flopped completely ( which it isn’t at all ) they still had the hype for the next comeback. IVE will be fine, I am sure that now Starship knows what works for them and what doesn’t and the next comeback will be massive. Baddie is a massive bop, I haven’t had this much ‘FUN’ listening to a title since After LIKE, it’s simply an earworm and while it might not stand the test of time like their previous work, it’s a fun time now. Not all music has to be timeless, momentary bops are cool too.
ngl im a little disappointed with the concept change cuz when other ggs were sticking to girl crush concepts, i stanned ive because of their unique posh elegance concept and how they're not afraid to hide that part of themselves plus their songs are no skips! but even though they have released a lot of music that have that signature elegance to it, i think it feels necessary for them to branch out and show how versatile they are, though i think a smoother transition in their releases before baddie wouldve been better to keep things consistent tho. like if they released kitche closely before baddie, i bet it would have received more positive responses on the concept change. super excited to watch more of their stages tho!
Well at least we know that Liz can carry the Baddie parts lol Since she got only 7s in Kitch I literally didn't expect her to get that Baddie part I see a step forward 😂
agree completely!!! i love baddie, but love dive and eleven and i am are MASTERPIECES!!! i love seeing rhe girls evolve, no bad songs yet!! keep going, IVE (after u take a nice long rest after this comeback lolol)
Why did they make it a title track is my question? its nice that they went out of their comfort zone but idk it just doesn't hold a candle to their other title tracks it would have been a killer b-side tho.
I agree. I like the song but it sounds like a bside. Apart from that is way too short too. But tbh none of the other songs on the album sound like a tt apart from maybe Either Way, so I can see why it was picked as a tt.
@@Taejiu Yeah idk why there has to be 3 title tracks just seems forced to me but then again Off the Record didn't feel like a title track to me either and you can't have just one song to promote. Who knows keep those vids coming tho brother excited to see your next full on video essay.
They def wanted to go for being viral kn tik-tok. You know how I knew it was time of their MV upload? I've seen challenge in Shorts. 9 minutes after the MV's upload. Wow!
@@aiaiaiaiiaii0000I both agree with you and love NJ music. Tho they kinda target virality, I still love some not well-known genres fit into their music like drum&base, jersey music etc.
I like your refreshing view on this release by ive because I do also feel it wasn’t meant to be one of their best just a good tester album that would just fill dives hands with a new release until their next big comeback. But before baddie came out I always thought the song would be more choreo strong song so I find the soft choreo to be a let down a bit but this whole album really made me a fan with their whole concept and their ability to expand conceptually and musically.
I get what you mean when you say it might be your bias showing, I also LOVE Ive, probably in my top 3 of girl groups and I typically don’t like this style as well but I love this song. Yujin is eating it up, the short hair looks so good on her. The whole EP has been on repeat since it came out. Either Way is definitely my favorite and I love their other songs more but I can still jam out to this.
recently, all boy groups have been similarity in terms of music and girl groups too......ive is a distinctive and versatile one and only.......i think ive has completed the 4th gen with this album........
Netizen were supposedly mad about the other title tracks. Baddie was basically stop criticisms which says a lot about what is more marketable than others for listeners. This album is a experiment. I like Off the record and Baddie is definitely RV coded but I like EDM/Up tempo tracks.
I love the song in the context of the theme of comebacks and the EP. Yes, it's plain, cookie cutter but it bolsters the message that they will keep on going no matter how much hate they will receive. Plus it's just fun and experimental compared to how heavy OTR and Either Way feel in terms of what they are trying to deliver. Oh, and Yujin and Rei seem to work really well in girl crush, its something about the way they carry themselves that really feels in line with the concept.
I enjoy it a lot especially watching the performances because i feel the girls enjoying it like i am and it makes me even more enjoyed. However it doesnt compare to what they have done before and that says a lot about their music because i love it so much lol
I was really looking forward to what you'd have to say about this one. Simultaneously surprised that you'd find it so mid (because I love it so much) and yet not at all (because you and I hardly ever agree on what tracks are bangers). 😂
they look so good and they sound good but i don’t love it 💔i do think this is an extension of their kitch vibe that they will continue to build on and i will continue to tune in. i think it will make it’s round as the new “kpop edit” song lol
your point about them just using their name is good. most people want their fav group to get payola like the others but I think theirs something very powerful with the minimal promo even though I was mad at first with the playlisting for either way and off the record
Did anyone else feel like this was IVE taking on XG’s “GVRL GVNG” aesthetic? Because if it was I hope they do more - the different eye colors, the “Yankee Girl” vibes, the distinctive hairstyles, BLESS 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
I feel like this ep is such a good way to display their versatility, it's very much a different concept from their usually elegant stuff, but is still makes sense on their discography. At least in my opinion, the ep is very fitting with the sounds presented at the album's b-sides, just with another twist cause it's another side of Ive. Either way, loved this era
When it comes to people thinking IVE is promoted badly, I truly believe its a result - even if subconsciously - of the kpop stan desire for victim narratives. Everyone wants their fav group to be a victim in some way or another because it makes them more relatable, gives them more vulnerability and gives the fans something to complain about, which we know kpop stans love to do me included. When a group is actually promoted well for once the community doesn't know what that looks like because we're used to the virality of kpop companies mistreating/underpromoting their groups.
this comeback did what it's supposed to do, showcase new sides of ive. it being a chart topper would be the cherry on top (and either way is on her way to do that!) but regardless of what anyone says, this comeback run of theirs is still successful, it already surpassed 1.1m sales and all singles are charting in all major charts. i won't really dwell with international stats because their core fanbase is in east asia nor would i dwell with youtube views because clearly the GP is playing their songs in every other platform anyways.
i feel like some stans want their idols to be the #1 at the moment and when they don't achive it they believe or rather blame the company for not "promoting" them enough, when usually for better results they would need to, idk, buy a spot on a big playlist or pay more ads on yt, etc.
I’m not obsessed with this title like I was for their past 5 title tracks, which is ok! Off the record and either way also exist along with the b-sides (which I think are amazing). I think this album has something for everyone. Where they try new things with baddie while retaining their core identity with off the record, OTT and playback.
I don't know if anyone reads this, but I'm gonna write it anyway. I'm a metalhead and deeply in love with the extreme side of music. My story with kpop goes back to 2010 when I first listened to Girl's Generation's Gee and Wonder Girls' Nobody with my sister. Though I kinda liked them, I remained a metalhead, my sister became a big kpop fan. I never liked or enjoyed kpop 'cause I simply couldn't get the drive I'm looking for in a musical composition out of it, like, classical music and jazz give that drive. Metal IS the drive to me. But kpop to me always seems too forced and bland with all the unnecessary beats and instrumentals and all-over-the-place flashy dances. My sister has tried many times to interest me in kpop, has alwayes introduced me to new groups from the 2nd gen all the way to the 4th, but it's just not my cup of tea. Until she suggested I listen to I AM by IVE, and I did on Spotify, and boy did I enjoy every second of it. Since then, I can't get enough of them, not one single song can I skip. They are literally the only kpop group whose music I can feel and gives me the drive I want. From the rhythm and melody to the subtle choreographies, and how they use certain concepts and elements(I don't mean things like elegance or girl crush), everything about them is in the right place. I still don't like kpop, but IVE have become one of my daily musical delights.
I can’t be the ONLY one that thinks baddie sounds like an XG song! It’s a pretty good song. Something different from IVE, it seems like they are trying to find and discover their concepts and style, this EP feels more experimental and diverse compared to IVE's previous releases. Probably their worst title track, But This song is catchy, and the concept is really cool.
I love baddie it has some of the most clear Sophie inspiration I've seen in kpop in a good minute, but can I just say I'm incredibly tired of how 4th gen has caused people to always associate concept with genre I feel like the idea that girl crush is one set sound is incredibly outdated I feel like us as kpop stans should start saying the songs genre rather then whatever concept it has like we can't say that 2ne1 and Wa$$up sound the same despite being in the same girl crush concept. Also I must say that the comparison to blackpink and Ive makes like no sense they are quite polar opposites when it's comes to the genres that they are, Although blackpinks music is incredibly palatable to outsiders of kpop I have to say that baddie and kitch just straight up aren't like at all and I'm saying this as a person who isn't a stan of either just a music nerd, Also I have to disagree with the sentiment that they are club songs there hasn't really been club songs in kpop since 3rd gen but then again I don't go to any clubs lmao but overall I feel like Baddie is a great step forward in kpop cause the vast majority of big kpop girl groups seem afraid to actually innovative or use genres that are less common in kpop nowadays in fear of sounding outdated and not in the nostalgia pandering way, but all in all I'd rate baddie as a 9/10 it's my favorite title track by them so far, it's a great shake up from what they usually do and it's also has a lot of samples not commonly used in kpop like ever. Even though I disagree with the video I must say it's still really well made, Also-Also it's a rarity to find Ktubers that actually use their voice
I agree that Baddie at least for me is not the best song in the EP. I prefer more vocally driven songs and that is why I like Either Way (still makes me cry from time to time and It might be one of their best songs) but it makes perfect sense to have it as a title track. Although I would have preferred Holy Moly but I get the strategy behind it. I do think that marketing was poor in comparison to what they had done for I AM era, but I feel they are putting their resources behind the next years' comeback at the moment.
For me, it's an "Aespa attempt" and an "end of the year have to release something agenda obligation". Not thrilled, but I agree about Yu-jin, she's taking slowly but steadily a(l)titude.
I think this comeback was very experimental. The three title tracks are very different and I don't think they were trying to get people to like each and every one.
The EP is not my style, except either way, but I LOVE the way they released so far, 3 really good singles and then a full Album, then some songe that are different and a concept Switch. If they did stuff different you could say they do the same thing over and over, they did a really long slbum after these singles to prove they can and now is a good time to show and prove they also will do diffrent styles in the titel tracks and not just stick with the elegant/royal concept
Their promotions are not that bad if they are just your run of the mill group, but when you compared it to HYBE group it's just not up to par and not deserving their status as top GG
ive had this luxurios, elegant vibe that makes them untouchable by other ggs, when you give them this another typical "girlcrush" song, its kind of a downgrade in their discography. but this is ive we're talking about so i know they gonna slay
Yeah I’m not a fan of baddie, like through out the day you could catch me singing the chorus but if it was on my playlist I would skip it cause it’s just not my cup of tea
In my opinion, this EP was a statement. IVE does not want to be put into the “elegant” or “girl crush” box. I think the purpose of I’VE MINE is to show that they can pull off any concept and can take experimental music to the next level.
Have you guys listen to the b-sides for this album OH MY GOD THEY’RE LITERALLY COOKING IN THE STUDIO FOR THAT BSIDES BRO ITS TEW GOOD. My fav is Payback BUT ITS HARD TO CHOOSE CAUSE HOLY MOLY AND OTT IS TEWW GOOD😭😭😭
I'm totally ok with ive experimenting with their concepts and sound and I'm ok with Baddie's instrumental, but I feel we could've had better lyrics than "ba ba baddie" and "nananana" Especially after either way and off the record, my expectations got high
I feel like what really makes Baddie work is how tight the production and arrangement is. It feels *cohesive*. I like it but I feel like it’s a taaaaad too early to be doing a concept switch 😅 but they make it work!
This song was Bad(die) !
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i think that the real purpose for this EP was early insurance that they wouldn't get locked into the whole elegant vibe. like it's a concept that works for them and that they're really good at, but it's always a good idea to make sure you don't get pigeonholed into a single concept too early. like i wouldn't be surprised if they went back to the elegant concept or something closer to it in the next comeback, but this EP in particular really feels like them making sure they have the space to pivot if they have to or if the girls want to, and in that sense it really worked.
I totally agree.
Twice did cute for years and then people were upset when they switched concept to something more mature (even though it makes sense because the members literally grew up).
IVE is making sure the same thing doesn’t happen to them down the line. They’ve proven their versatility and willingness to try new things, and now they don’t have to worry about any experimentation they want to do in the future feeling like it doesn’t suit them or their concept.
Cooking with facts
That's a very smart move. If they ever change their concept in the future, it wouldn't be so sudden like what happened to Weekly with Ven Para, and they also prevent them becoming too stale in the future, so good job to Starship and IVE
Thank you people are doom posting about Baddie like it’s the end of the world or something when it’s just IVE experimenting with their sound and they already accomplished a lot this year (set to win Two Daesangs already)
It's so Baddie it's Goodie 😂
Nothing has displaced Love Dive as my favorite IVE song, but Baddie is fun. It was surprising, and cute, and I really enjoyed the stage. I dunno if it will stay on my playlist for long, but I like it a lot. I do agree though, that it doesn’t quite feel like IVE. It's nice to see them do something a bit different though.
Love dive will always be special to me ✨
My favourite ive song has changed to Either Way, not really a big fan at first but i got under hypnosis and im literally addicted rn
I really loved this song and it adds to IVE’s versatility
Versatility only works when the artist suits the concept. IVE trying to act like gangsters was a failed attempt and their act seems extremely fake. They looked like gangster wannabes and they don’t even have someone who can rap.
@flx9499 Good rappers? They just talk fast, they have no flow. They don’t rap they just talk. There is a difference.
@@vixxexo6855it's just teencrush my guy
@@vixxexo6855 I’m sorry you don’t like it but clearly plenty of people did. Nothing about it felt tryhard or fake, or even like they trying to be gangsters to me lol. They were just trying to be tough while still being girly and they achieved that admirably
@@vixxexo6855 some of you say whatever at this point. ‘Act gangster’ lol what are you even talking about? Explain to us what a gangster is first and tell us how that’s related to this MV/song at all. The girls are literally doing a teen crush concept, they are not trying hard anything, not even to ‘serious’ rap, so YOU be serious. It’s just a silly fun song but some of you make it seem like they’re giving a thesis on something and failed.
I like the song. I still like "Either Way" more. I plan on checking out the album when it drops. I dont think this is a miss, just different. Either way, multi-stans, we are eating well this month.
I agree!
I thought the album released already
It seems like everyone does lol Im surprised at how well either way is doing with it being such a slow song.
Album already dropped lol when Baddie mv released
This video came out during the trailers for the eras tour movie… sorry I’ll be back in three hours 🤷♀️
I truly believe that Ive is one of the best groups in kpop industry but also one of the most hated with not reason. In this album they express themselves to concepts that people told they can't do it as an answer. First song Either way they aren't trying to be beautiful because a lot of people told that their success is because their beauty and they gave us a sad image as an answer. Second song Off the record is a song that they tried to make us seem them like girls and that they can have concepts retro like New Jeans. Third song baddie is a song that probably is a girl crush concept that most of their heaters told they can't do a concept like this. Ive is here not for views and success only but as artist you like them or not you can't say they are bad and don't see how talented they are. This feeling want to feel that people don't love them and hurt them every day trying to shut up their mouths
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Ooo I agree! But I saw Either way as their comeback to all the hate, saying no matter what they say they’ll try keep holding strong and they keep saying their okay, but they’re really not
this song is amazing ive had it on repeat and the whole album tbh
I feel like it's important for IVE to try different concepts, and switch it up here and there or else fans will get bored like what happens with lots of groups. They are also at the point of their career where they can really experiment, and this ep was a breath of fresh air. Either Way is a very beautiful song, off the record is chill vibes, and baddie is very fun and catchy. The b sides are good too.
I’m fine with IVE experimenting with their sound I think it’s great!!!
It gave me same vibes as hypnosis 🤑like really that beats and lysrism is on top for me and each member has parts that compliment their style.
IVE NEVER DISAPPOINT ❤️
The ep is so good another no skip 😔✨
My ranking that no-one asked
1)Baddie
2) Payback (another favourite b-side of me along with blue blood and shine with me) & off the record
3)either way
4)holy moly
5) OTT
Stan Ive stay happy 😌
payback is sooo gooddd❤❤
@@angelizespino6776 yess
I think it's a bit unfair to compare Ive promotions with Le Sserafim or NWJs anyways. Let's not forget that even if their agency is far from being small, it's not one of the Big 3+1. So they probably don't have as much ressources as them. If we want to compare, maybe we should take a group from a company of Starship size.
Overall I agree with most of what you said. I like Baddie, it's a fun song with cats and I'm going to learn the chorus choreo so I can dance to it. Not at I am level for sure, but their purposes are entierly differents. It's pretty nice to see them experiment. People will never be happy on that matter anyways : if they always keep the same concept, they'll call them boring, and if they don't they'll call them out for it. The girls look like they're having fun while performing it so that's the most important.
My main complaint is that it's too short. I hate this trend of 2min30 songs. I wish the second part was longer. Maybe adding some sort of bridge or something. I don't know, I'm not a composer. But I definitly feel that something is missing.
i honestly love this type of music, and i also think that it fits thematically with off the record and either way. those two are more vulnerable songs and are expressing that there's more sides to them that people don't see. and then they drop baddie, a song that really doesn't feel like ive at all, but they pull off perfectly. they're essentially letting people know that their elegant luxury concept isn't all there is to them and that they wanna show that too.
The way people were so shocked when this was released lolll... everyone and their mamas were commenting "wow I never realized IVE can do such a concept" or "the way IVE capitalizes off of their elegant concept and now they are doing something different is so new to me..." and honestly all these claims are very valid and true .. an artist can keep doing one such concept for the rest of their discography and musical identity but that would get very boring and repetitive.. an artist can truly blossom if they can experiment their music ... not everyone would be interested nor would agree or like but for the artist's sake and evolution if that makes sense, as they mature or grow so does their music and identity as a group.. I think that is definitely a healthy move going forward.. IVE is one such example.. if you compare Eleven to now.. their most recents, Either Way, Off the Record and Baddie.. the way they are all different in terms of musical instrumentations and flow and everything else a musical major would mention.. but all these songs have an 'IVE' quality plastered all over it.. like you wont mistake that song as another group's.. like it is solely an IVE song which makes it so interesting and in a good way, identifiable in the sea of other kpop groups.. another main highlight is their chemistry.. their passion and love for good quality music.. they truly are artists (and its sad that people thought of them as just moneymakers and only there for the fame bc it is SO NOT true at all.. one example is Wonyoung, who writes lyrics.. she wrote Mine, Shine with Me (both in the first full album of IVE called "I'VE IVE" and another song called OTT in their first ep called "I'VE MINE) so calling these girls untalented if thats even a word is sooo wrong for so many reasons .. if I can end this whole rant I have going is that the hate they received was completely absurd yet gave them such a strong motivation to keep going to pursue their dreams as artists and produce unique and beautiful music that fits their own style.. Baddie is like Kitsch 2.0 that got more raps, traps and accentuates a more rebellious noise compared to her sister Kitsch lol (which isnt a bad song it's just it seems a lot calmer than Baddie) overall IVE MINE as IVE's first ep mini album shares us their more darker side, they are revealing to us more of the vulnerabilities complete opposite of I AM era where they were shown as luxurious and high fashion models lol.. Dives are literally winning like we are so well-fed this year I hope IVE can continue being this good and amazing and produce such high quality music because they are honestly such a gem like nobody does it like them
I think Starship got worried about IVE getting enclosed in the "soft elegant" thing, and just did an album to deny that completely. I mean, the album is called I'VE MINE and all of the songs are diferent to IVE's usual sound, like literally stating "we have our little thing, but we won't be afraid to sway away from it, so don't get to used to the elegant style"
Yes I feel like Ive has made a 5th gen ver of girl crush and I’m in love with it!!!!
“Cat theme is not shoved down your throat” 😂😂
Sorry but 3:55, the same time you said that, there’s literally a cat bigger than a mountain walking in the background LOL
Ignore them they just hanging out
Same feelings there! I normally don't really like this anymore recently and honestly this was soooo good!
I noticed most people didn't really get the vision, which is sad! TT_TT
It's impressive that all the songs have different concepts, I absolutely love all the songs in my opinion they are good!
You are soooo spot on!!!! I don’t (sorry) like Blackpinks music or songs like it and IVE is my ult group and I found myself thinking, “this is Not my type of music normally so, why don’t I hate it?” I think the last chorus really helped tho, great vocals and ethereal vibes on many tracks this EP.
Yeah, this type of song is normally not the type I would like, but SOMETHING about Baddie is drawing me in. Literally, I don't know what they did with this song, I really can't put my finger on it for why I love how it sounds so much. I saw someone say it's like hypnosis, and tbh that actually makes sense! It's so hypnotizing, it's almost like it drones on, but in a good way. It's very easy to let it keep playing over and over again. I saw others say it's monotonous in a bad way, but I think it's in a good way. Just like how monochromatic can be a good look, monotonous can be a good sound if it's done right. Also the MV reminded me HEAVILY of the Ice Cream Cake MV from Red Velvet so I definitely agree with the comparison of Baddie to Red Velvet.
As far as the concept, however, I love it! The lyrics too, they're right up my alley! I saw some people saying it just looked like tweens going through their emo phase, as if that was a bad thing, but I don't personally think that's a bad thing. Honestly, Baddie is basically cringe, but I'm not the kind of person who cares about anything being cringe. If I like something, I like it, especially with music. I want more groups and idols being cringe tbh.
I actually really loved this comeback! I feel like every girl has gotten to shine and show us how much they’ve improved. While I hear a lot of fans saying that members were mistreated, I feel like Gaeul and Rei, while they could have gotten more lines, still got to shine and had their moments (Gaeul is my ultimate bias)! Also, I’ve heard others complaining about Leeseo and Wonyoung being “favored by the company”, but they definitely both deserve the moments they got, and really fit the song imo. Leeseo stage presence improvement was CRAZY and I’m happy she got to show us just how much more charismatic she is! Overall, I’m really pleased with the “I’ve Mine” release, and all of the songs (and I mean all 6) were a really great addition to their discography!
I’m obsessed with this song tbh
I also didn't like Baddie that much because it felt like I've already listened to something like this before. Especially, after me being a kpop fan since 2018, I've listened to a lot of girlcrush before like blackpink, itzy, everglow. Baddie sounded familiar when I was expecting it to be unique.
But after watching your video about Either Way, I kinda understood why they'd released Baddie. After all those previous classy and elegant comebacks which had created a metaphorical distance between ive and the audience, they decided to show the other side of them, more-human like (?) if I can say it like that...
And now we know that ive are not only those princesses in a pink castle in the pink clouds, but they can be ive from Either Way and ive from Kitsch and Baddie.
I think they released this ep
To open up to other concepts
Bc Royal concept will get old as some point
Example is Twice they did cute concept for too long and then had problems with changing concepts
So Ive trying different things as rookies is a good choice
I know this comment is super late after this video was posted, but I do think rei and gaeul deserve more recognition as rappers because they write a majority of their raps which I don’t think a lot of people realize. Yes they are good at executing what they’re given, but from the raps that they have written for songs royal, after like, hypnosis, baddie, I am, and also helping write next page and not your girl, I feel like they deserve more recognition as rappers. I wish more people realized how good of rappers they actually are and see the effort those two put into the group.
I think the songs great. I think this will impact the girl group scene. Although I thought this song was good I doubt that Ive will continue going in this direction I’m excited for what other girl crush groups will do with it and how this will affect them
Some shots in the MV for 'Baddie' actually reminded me more of Red Velvet's 'Ice Cream Cake' rather than 'Birthday' cuz of the random large cats in Californian-like desserts.
I like Baddie, but I LOVE OTR. I also LOVE Payback. So this EP is a 8/10 for me
Baddie sounds like an æspa song for me, with a bit of hypnosis and kitsch. However I like Off The Record it's gonna be in my playlist for a long time
honestly not one of ive'title tracks so far has been a miss for me, and it actually kinda rare for me
i don't really follow them that much but every time i see they release new music i'm always excited, they just don't disappoint
Definition of “something sweet and cute on the side for the kids”
I loved it :))
I actually loved this comeback more than the I Am album one earlier this year. That album felt so out of place compared to all the Spring comebacks. This one is more fitting to the current trends and Baddie is quite suave. When I first heard it, I thought it was basic too but now its on repeat in my head.
i love baddie sm, the way the girls devoured this concept... absolutely everything!
im glad ive is experimenting. being trapped in that "rich girl aesthetic" box won't do them any favours long term.
This is my favourite title track after love dive by ive lmaoo ik other amazing title track exist but i guess i always wanted a good girl crush song but all we got was noises by teddy and some okish instrumental songs by everyglow (not really my style) i always liked the whole idea of it but it was never executed properly without looking outdated (styling and stuff) so here comes ive taking it by storm delivering it perfectly with amazing styling and an amazing catchy song which is pop perfection and doesn't get annoying like some of bp songs, styling this comeback was most coherent and best out of all and it is very trendy and felt very fresh and everyone looked good so ig that really played into it.
i think every groups needs a couple fun songs in their discography. I first listened to Not your Girl when it came out and i did NOT fit in the album at all, like no one liked that song lol. But when i listended to it a couple months later, apart from the album its just a fun song, its not a show-stopper but its just something fun to listen to while you do laundry
It's so funny how Liz and Rei predicted dives reaction before cb to Either way, otr and baddie, and they were spot on!😂
I felt a bit dissapointed because of high expectations. You see, they've showed so much vocal improvement, esp Liz, Leeseo, Wonyoung. I hoped to get a song closer to Ariana Grande. Their posh and luxurious image kinda fits this style of music.
Also, concept-wise, in Either Way and Off The Record it seemed they've showed us their humane side, like they're humans, too.
Baddie is like "nah-uh, you thought I was humane? Got ya, I'm baddie!" Like this part I kinda like.
The song is a bop honestly but TOO short. That's the only downside for me. Even the genre is fine after I dismiss my expectations. Just gosh, stop making short songs!
I get it that Spotify statistics shows clearly that 2:30 minute songs are most likely to be listened to the end, and there are certain girl groups that utilize it, but don't become them! Don't loose your identity!:)
Love the nwjns shade at the end lol
@@icy9308Newjeans didn't lose its identity.
@@icy9308I'm a stan of NJ but gosh they need to make longer songs! And also I would prefer for other groups to not copy NJ:)
@@kpopfan11337they make short songs
@@ВасилийБлаженов-ж9е Doesn't mean they lost its identity. Also they're one of the most influential kpop groups rn, of cause other kpop groups are influenced. Doesn't mean they're straight up copying.
I agree with your review a lot, maybe not the MV part because I deeply dislike it, but the song review yes. This song is a total bop, is it generic? Yes. But is it the good kind of generic? Also yes. I saw multiple people say this should have been Itzy’s comeback, and after entertaining that thought and reading more comments, it seems like people are more surprised that this comes from IVE rather than that the song is not good.
IMO Starship is experimenting this era, I am more than sure they also know this is not trying to compete by any means with IVE’s previous main titles. I think they saw the reception fans had for Lips & Hypnosis and tried to give us Off The Record & Baddie to see what happens. Even the writer of Baddie ( the same that made ELEVEN, Blue Blood & Holy Moly ) tweeted before the release that we might not like it and that’s okay, which further tells me that they know what they are doing still.
I wish you touched on the EP too because I’d love to hear your thoughts. I absolutely love it. IMO this era feels underwhelming because of the uneventful rollout, new way of marketing and the fact that this EP misses that super strong, anthemic IVE title. If all these songs were simple b-sides, everyone would like them calling them ‘top tier’. But because they were elevated to the position of titles, people can’t help but compare to the BEASTS that the previous ones were. And ofc they don’t stand a chance. To me, all these releases have been top tier b-sides, the album overall is great, in some ways better than I’ve IVE. It’s not disappointing at all, it’s just that the titles have a heavy burden to carry for what they really are.
But again, I think Starship knows, these are the same people that made their previous work, there’s no way they didn’t know this was a risky move. What I think gave them security to try was the fact that IVE just had their biggest hit in Korea, and if there’s a time to experiment and try new stuff, it is now, because that previous success is still lingering with I AM still top 10 on some charts. Even if this era flopped completely ( which it isn’t at all ) they still had the hype for the next comeback. IVE will be fine, I am sure that now Starship knows what works for them and what doesn’t and the next comeback will be massive.
Baddie is a massive bop, I haven’t had this much ‘FUN’ listening to a title since After LIKE, it’s simply an earworm and while it might not stand the test of time like their previous work, it’s a fun time now. Not all music has to be timeless, momentary bops are cool too.
I think I like this song simply based of the fact it's another song that shows versatility in their discography
ngl im a little disappointed with the concept change cuz when other ggs were sticking to girl crush concepts, i stanned ive because of their unique posh elegance concept and how they're not afraid to hide that part of themselves plus their songs are no skips! but even though they have released a lot of music that have that signature elegance to it, i think it feels necessary for them to branch out and show how versatile they are, though i think a smoother transition in their releases before baddie wouldve been better to keep things consistent tho. like if they released kitche closely before baddie, i bet it would have received more positive responses on the concept change. super excited to watch more of their stages tho!
I absolutely loved this ep, my most favourite of them, my favourite song of them is now off the record.
Well at least we know that Liz can carry the Baddie parts lol
Since she got only 7s in Kitch I literally didn't expect her to get that Baddie part
I see a step forward 😂
agree completely!!! i love baddie, but love dive and eleven and i am are MASTERPIECES!!! i love seeing rhe girls evolve, no bad songs yet!! keep going, IVE (after u take a nice long rest after this comeback lolol)
Why did they make it a title track is my question? its nice that they went out of their comfort zone but idk it just doesn't hold a candle to their other title tracks it would have been a killer b-side tho.
I mean EP has 3 Title tracks so, why have 3 title tracks?
I agree. I like the song but it sounds like a bside. Apart from that is way too short too. But tbh none of the other songs on the album sound like a tt apart from maybe Either Way, so I can see why it was picked as a tt.
@@Taejiu Yeah idk why there has to be 3 title tracks just seems forced to me but then again Off the Record didn't feel like a title track to me either and you can't have just one song to promote. Who knows keep those vids coming tho brother excited to see your next full on video essay.
They def wanted to go for being viral kn tik-tok. You know how I knew it was time of their MV upload?
I've seen challenge in Shorts. 9 minutes after the MV's upload. Wow!
@@aiaiaiaiiaii0000I both agree with you and love NJ music. Tho they kinda target virality, I still love some not well-known genres fit into their music like drum&base, jersey music etc.
I like your refreshing view on this release by ive because I do also feel it wasn’t meant to be one of their best just a good tester album that would just fill dives hands with a new release until their next big comeback. But before baddie came out I always thought the song would be more choreo strong song so I find the soft choreo to be a let down a bit but this whole album really made me a fan with their whole concept and their ability to expand conceptually and musically.
I get what you mean when you say it might be your bias showing, I also LOVE Ive, probably in my top 3 of girl groups and I typically don’t like this style as well but I love this song. Yujin is eating it up, the short hair looks so good on her. The whole EP has been on repeat since it came out. Either Way is definitely my favorite and I love their other songs more but I can still jam out to this.
Baddie hate is so forced😂 they hated kitsch too
recently, all boy groups have been similarity in terms of music and girl groups too......ive is a distinctive and versatile one and only.......i think ive has completed the 4th gen with this album........
10/10 explanation. Incredible opinion from you
Netizen were supposedly mad about the other title tracks. Baddie was basically stop criticisms which says a lot about what is more marketable than others for listeners. This album is a experiment. I like Off the record and Baddie is definitely RV coded but I like EDM/Up tempo tracks.
Baddie is basically the "Kitsch" in this Comeback
ive are so versatile it’s insane
I liked baddie and i like IVE trying something new in their music so it doesn't get boring. I liked the EP a lot it was a fun listening experience.
I love the song in the context of the theme of comebacks and the EP. Yes, it's plain, cookie cutter but it bolsters the message that they will keep on going no matter how much hate they will receive. Plus it's just fun and experimental compared to how heavy OTR and Either Way feel in terms of what they are trying to deliver.
Oh, and Yujin and Rei seem to work really well in girl crush, its something about the way they carry themselves that really feels in line with the concept.
I enjoy it a lot especially watching the performances because i feel the girls enjoying it like i am and it makes me even more enjoyed. However it doesnt compare to what they have done before and that says a lot about their music because i love it so much lol
I was really looking forward to what you'd have to say about this one. Simultaneously surprised that you'd find it so mid (because I love it so much) and yet not at all (because you and I hardly ever agree on what tracks are bangers). 😂
they look so good and they sound good but i don’t love it 💔i do think this is an extension of their kitch vibe that they will continue to build on and i will continue to tune in. i think it will make it’s round as the new “kpop edit” song lol
Baddie sound like nct song, which i never been fan tho. But its good to see they trying other concept and sound...
your point about them just using their name is good. most people want their fav group to get payola like the others but I think theirs something very powerful with the minimal promo even though I was mad at first with the playlisting for either way and off the record
Did anyone else feel like this was IVE taking on XG’s “GVRL GVNG” aesthetic? Because if it was I hope they do more - the different eye colors, the “Yankee Girl” vibes, the distinctive hairstyles, BLESS 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
I feel like this ep is such a good way to display their versatility, it's very much a different concept from their usually elegant stuff, but is still makes sense on their discography. At least in my opinion, the ep is very fitting with the sounds presented at the album's b-sides, just with another twist cause it's another side of Ive. Either way, loved this era
When it comes to people thinking IVE is promoted badly, I truly believe its a result - even if subconsciously - of the kpop stan desire for victim narratives. Everyone wants their fav group to be a victim in some way or another because it makes them more relatable, gives them more vulnerability and gives the fans something to complain about, which we know kpop stans love to do me included. When a group is actually promoted well for once the community doesn't know what that looks like because we're used to the virality of kpop companies mistreating/underpromoting their groups.
this comeback did what it's supposed to do, showcase new sides of ive. it being a chart topper would be the cherry on top (and either way is on her way to do that!) but regardless of what anyone says, this comeback run of theirs is still successful, it already surpassed 1.1m sales and all singles are charting in all major charts. i won't really dwell with international stats because their core fanbase is in east asia nor would i dwell with youtube views because clearly the GP is playing their songs in every other platform anyways.
i feel like some stans want their idols to be the #1 at the moment and when they don't achive it they believe or rather blame the company for not "promoting" them enough, when usually for better results they would need to, idk, buy a spot on a big playlist or pay more ads on yt, etc.
I’m not obsessed with this title like I was for their past 5 title tracks, which is ok! Off the record and either way also exist along with the b-sides (which I think are amazing). I think this album has something for everyone. Where they try new things with baddie while retaining their core identity with off the record, OTT and playback.
I don't know if anyone reads this, but I'm gonna write it anyway. I'm a metalhead and deeply in love with the extreme side of music. My story with kpop goes back to 2010 when I first listened to Girl's Generation's Gee and Wonder Girls' Nobody with my sister. Though I kinda liked them, I remained a metalhead, my sister became a big kpop fan. I never liked or enjoyed kpop 'cause I simply couldn't get the drive I'm looking for in a musical composition out of it, like, classical music and jazz give that drive. Metal IS the drive to me. But kpop to me always seems too forced and bland with all the unnecessary beats and instrumentals and all-over-the-place flashy dances. My sister has tried many times to interest me in kpop, has alwayes introduced me to new groups from the 2nd gen all the way to the 4th, but it's just not my cup of tea. Until she suggested I listen to I AM by IVE, and I did on Spotify, and boy did I enjoy every second of it. Since then, I can't get enough of them, not one single song can I skip. They are literally the only kpop group whose music I can feel and gives me the drive I want. From the rhythm and melody to the subtle choreographies, and how they use certain concepts and elements(I don't mean things like elegance or girl crush), everything about them is in the right place. I still don't like kpop, but IVE have become one of my daily musical delights.
Niceeee❤
I can’t be the ONLY one that thinks baddie sounds like an XG song! It’s a pretty good song. Something different from IVE, it seems like they are trying to find and discover their concepts and style, this EP feels more experimental and diverse compared to IVE's previous releases. Probably their worst title track, But This song is catchy, and the concept is really cool.
I love baddie it has some of the most clear Sophie inspiration I've seen in kpop in a good minute, but can I just say I'm incredibly tired of how 4th gen has caused people to always associate concept with genre I feel like the idea that girl crush is one set sound is incredibly outdated I feel like us as kpop stans should start saying the songs genre rather then whatever concept it has like we can't say that 2ne1 and Wa$$up sound the same despite being in the same girl crush concept. Also I must say that the comparison to blackpink and Ive makes like no sense they are quite polar opposites when it's comes to the genres that they are, Although blackpinks music is incredibly palatable to outsiders of kpop I have to say that baddie and kitch just straight up aren't like at all and I'm saying this as a person who isn't a stan of either just a music nerd, Also I have to disagree with the sentiment that they are club songs there hasn't really been club songs in kpop since 3rd gen but then again I don't go to any clubs lmao but overall I feel like Baddie is a great step forward in kpop cause the vast majority of big kpop girl groups seem afraid to actually innovative or use genres that are less common in kpop nowadays in fear of sounding outdated and not in the nostalgia pandering way,
but all in all I'd rate baddie as a 9/10 it's my favorite title track by them so far, it's a great shake up from what they usually do and it's also has a lot of samples not commonly used in kpop like ever. Even though I disagree with the video I must say it's still really well made, Also-Also it's a rarity to find Ktubers that actually use their voice
I really liked the song, it felt off since they recently released I AM, which is one of their best tracks IMO.
I agree that Baddie at least for me is not the best song in the EP. I prefer more vocally driven songs and that is why I like Either Way (still makes me cry from time to time and It might be one of their best songs) but it makes perfect sense to have it as a title track. Although I would have preferred Holy Moly but I get the strategy behind it. I do think that marketing was poor in comparison to what they had done for I AM era, but I feel they are putting their resources behind the next years' comeback at the moment.
The synths in the repeated second chorus remind me of the synth in Kim Petras' Death By Sex, I really like that part a lot.
For me, it's an "Aespa attempt" and an "end of the year have to release something agenda obligation". Not thrilled, but I agree about Yu-jin, she's taking slowly but steadily a(l)titude.
I like it lol
I think this comeback was very experimental. The three title tracks are very different and I don't think they were trying to get people to like each and every one.
aahhh the IVE flop era. the era where everyone said they hated it but they were all secretly liking and listening to it. 😂
The EP is not my style, except either way, but I LOVE the way they released so far, 3 really good singles and then a full Album, then some songe that are different and a concept Switch. If they did stuff different you could say they do the same thing over and over, they did a really long slbum after these singles to prove they can and now is a good time to show and prove they also will do diffrent styles in the titel tracks and not just stick with the elegant/royal concept
I personally prefer Off The Record but Either Way and Baddie are by no means bad songs. And it grew on me anyway so.... 👍🏻
Their promotions are not that bad if they are just your run of the mill group, but when you compared it to HYBE group it's just not up to par and not deserving their status as top GG
Obviously it's not up to par, your comparing one of the Big 4 to A company like starship. That's a big difference...
@@glitch5816 It still underserving though, and i know it's about money and connections, but still sad nonetheless.
honestly baddie is giving more cult chant rather than chanty chorus and thats why i fw it
Baddie should have been more rap and less repetitive, maybe even darker, sultry
You be surprised how many people hate GirlCrush but the numbers don't lie.
ive had this luxurios, elegant vibe that makes them untouchable by other ggs, when you give them this another typical "girlcrush" song, its kind of a downgrade in their discography. but this is ive we're talking about so i know they gonna slay
“theres no song i can crank in the car” sir i think you are forgetting kitsch
Yeah I’m not a fan of baddie, like through out the day you could catch me singing the chorus but if it was on my playlist I would skip it cause it’s just not my cup of tea
My fav song is off this new album is off the record and in all of IVE my favorite is eleven
I'm a baddie ba ba baddie baddie pretty little risky baddie
Baddie song for group like ive i mean certain memebers do pull it off but its just not a song for a group like ive
In my opinion, this EP was a statement. IVE does not want to be put into the “elegant” or “girl crush” box. I think the purpose of I’VE MINE is to show that they can pull off any concept and can take experimental music to the next level.
what’s your opinion on holy moly? 😋
Personally I love it. After like is their worst for me because I just don't like the retro style of music so. But I don't even hate that.
Maybe it just me but this song sounds like they mixed blue blood and hypnosis off the last album and made it into title track
Have you guys listen to the b-sides for this album OH MY GOD THEY’RE LITERALLY COOKING IN THE STUDIO FOR THAT BSIDES BRO ITS TEW GOOD. My fav is Payback BUT ITS HARD TO CHOOSE CAUSE HOLY MOLY AND OTT IS TEWW GOOD😭😭😭
Love OTT and Payback. And Wonyoung with a writing credit on OTT.
“I’m hot” - IVE
i loved it def not my fave but i wish it was a tiny bit longer with some other elements to it, it would def enhance the song’s flavors idk 😭
I don't wanna sound like a hater, but still I don't like baddie, *but* they fit the concept really well esp Wonyoung
I'm totally ok with ive experimenting with their concepts and sound and I'm ok with Baddie's instrumental, but I feel we could've had better lyrics than "ba ba baddie" and "nananana"
Especially after either way and off the record, my expectations got high
I feel like what really makes Baddie work is how tight the production and arrangement is. It feels *cohesive*. I like it but I feel like it’s a taaaaad too early to be doing a concept switch 😅 but they make it work!
Baddie is good but damn I wish holy moly was a tt