This is not confirmed and i don't know if this is the company's plan or not but Fearless-Antifragile-Unforgiven might be a trilogy. In Fearless, Antifragile mvs in the end they usually hint a sentence about the next comeback ("do you think im fragile?" in Fearless and "do you want to be forgiven" in antifragile). But they didn't spoil any in unforgiven mv. This could honestly just because they haven't planned their next comeback yet and some fans just overthinking but Fearless, Antifragile and Unforgiven has similarities in that it is about empowering and confident to overcome obstacles and walk your own path. It would be cool if this would be a trilogy that covers LE SSERFIM first chapter and they will explore deeper and change up their concept a bit in their next chapter of their career.
perhaps they will follow this rule of releasing 2 mini albums and the 3rd one being a full album pattern, and these trilogies will be connected just like fearless-antifragile and unforgiven are
Big Hit Entertainment did this alot with BTS back in the day. But instead of them giving hints to their next comeback in their songs, it was shown more in the album names (e.g. LY series being inspired by Carl Jung) and their end of year award show performances (can't think of an example at the top of head, sorry!).
@@the.chocolatefactory yessss! BTS discography can be distinct easily through their trilogies or series. Their debut era were heavily hiphop influenced and very intense, rebellious concept. Then their HYYH era were less intense but more emotionally explore the beauty and difficulties of the youth. Then Wings era then the iconic trilogy LY, and ofcourse our MOTS duo. It also might be because LE SSERAFIM's current creative director - Nu Kim, used to work with BTS (and TXT too i think) back then so Bang PD and this creative director might be building a similiar path in developing LE SSERAFIM's discography and concept. In my opinion, both BTS and LE SSERAFIM (and TXT too) concept involved and build more on feelings/emotions storytelling rather than simply just choosing a visually pretty concepts. BTS deeply explore stages of life (rebellious teenage, youth) and indentity (difficulties of excepting, loving oneself, or exploring your personas and shadows). While LE SSERAFIM current concept is about being confident in yourself and your path depsite imperfections and bravely embracing your flaws and becoming stronger by it. Most kpop groups' discography don't really connect cohesively in terms of meaning which is totally fine but given how Bang Pd is closely involving in music production of LE SSERAFIM too, I wouldn't be surprised if they plan on taking this route. SORRY FOR THE LONG COMMENT I DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO BE SO LONG T.T
People had very high expectations because they are one of the biggest gg right now, that if there’s an ounce of element they don’t like about the comeback, they will latch on to it and emphasize the shit out of it. 😂 It’s a good comeback, and will definitely add the songs to my playlists.
I feel like 4th gen ggs are in so much pressure right now because of the high competition and the constant change in the general public's taste and opinions. Just one "bad" title track or just a song that doesn't match an audience taste and they will make it like the gg is now flop and will never rise again 💀
yea i think its really difficult to match expectations after they released SUUUCH a well received song. I like antifragile, but I realllly didn't like it when it first came out. I'm generally not one for super loud/busy songs. I honestly feel like unforgiven could have been my fave out of all three but ... the chorus... is just really not my style. I have the same thoughts as the vid mentioned: it felt like a chorus you would do at the very end to keep ppl on their toes, but they needed something meatier in the middle. (it does seem polarizing, ppl either love or hate the chorus lol) I will say, the instrumentals are ....amazing. I really love the piece Nile Rodgers created.
@@moonies321 they do, kpop fans are so mean, actual bullies. They just can’t wait to catch these girls ‘slipping’ and they’re on their neck. I also disliked the song and I’m not a huge LeSse fan, more of a casual listener, but I cannot understand the mentality of trying to trash a group over a song.
No one said the 2023 versions were remixes. The idea of this album is to compile the songs related to lesserafim's lore and story to make the end of the trilogy which is Unforgiven work. That's the reason why antifragile, the hydra and impurities are there. But to make this work they are required to remove her voice from the fearless tracks included here cause it's lawsuit time for hybe if they added her voice. She's not part of the company, the company cannot profit off of her voice for this release (again). Now if they really want to shade her they should've rerecorded everything but no right? The Fearless EP is still there, her contents from when she was still part of the group and the company are all still there. And to say that no groups rerecord their songs after a member leave well I'll give you one, it's Stray Kids I'm a fan of this group and they released albums full of their old songs without woojin in it. For Nmixx they removed Jinni's photos on Instagram when she left.
You absolutely right. Even YG's WINNER re-recorded some of their earlier title tracks that included their former member Taehyun + added it to their "Remember" album.
and I think it's because they have performed these new versions so much in festivals and award shows, it only makes sense to release the version they're gonna sing for years on music platforms
@@edvaedan9161 sweetie there's this thing called "consistency" and "setting a high bar"... That's what good artists do. Learn to comprehend before commenting nonsense. Shush
@@enanano excellent choice. I won’t say every song is exceptional but I am on record saying their album will go down as one of the best in kpop history.
The song actually got spoiled a lot so it ruined the excitement for comebacks but they actually slayed unforgiven and it showed their confidence so it is bop fr
This song sounds like something you would play in a convertible (or not) in highspeed. I totally agree with the styling and the sets being too similar to antifragile. Honestly I kinda (feared) and expected this cb to be like this after they released the mv teaser with the chorus. It's not a bad song and not not something to hate upon, just something not for everyone and could be a grower. I definietely appreciate how they joined forces with a decorated musicain like Nile Rogers (from a different background) and came up with a K-pop track. Overall, kinda anticlimactic considering how the teaser photos made it look like it was gonna be dark and mysterious and prolly have a storyline but that once again was foreshadowed to be wrong 'cause of the mv teaser.
I mean it does have a storyline from what I read. In Fearless they represent the "seraphim" concept, which is an angel with 6 wings, symbol of perfection. Then, on Antifragile, the angel loses one of it's wings, and, since it is no longer perfect, it gets exiled from the heavens, and has to learn to live amongst humanity. Then, in Unforgiven, it is no longer an angel, and the scene where Kazuha tears appart the wing represents the total separation from the "fallen angel" concept. What this implies is that the "seraphim" storyline has finished, and next comeback will be something completely new. Got the storyline from this person. youtube.com/@tyago9123
Honeslty when Antifragile was released many people also have mixed feelings too they say that it has very repetitve chorus even though kpop is known 4 that, they say they dont like the reggaeton and its boring but after few weeks everyone is vibing & loving it.😂
so in regards to fearless ep song remake: I think, legally, they're probably no longer allowed to use Garam's voice for any new content/releases, and therefore would not have been able to include those songs on the album had they not re-recorded. In all liklihood, the plan from the beginning was to release 2 eps and then a third 'full' album with songs from the EP and some new tracks (as you mentioned, they're not the first to do this; notably, BTS does this, so it's not surprising since Bang PD + bighit producers are closely involved with the group.) Inability to include songs from the fearless EP would have ruined that. So I don't think they're intentionally trying to 'scrub' anything. I think the fairer question to ask would be: why did they not change their plans and release another EP instead? I can understand, logistically, it probably made sense to go forward with their initial plans, but, surely, they must have expected to receive some backlash, so it would have been worth reconsidering at least.... (but then again they clearly didn't do any user testing for the album art, so..) I say this specifically because the last thing we need is people bringing that poor girl back into this mess again and hating on sserafim for something they literally have no control over for the most part, though, I agree re: the way it was marketed as a full length album. I don't think there was any reason for it. And as you mentioned, BTS following this strategy (literally for the majority of their career) was more palatable because their EPs were longer and they generally put out more music.
This could definitely be the case, but why would they even remake the songs than or use them? Feels like they are making it MORE difficult for themselves.
@@Taejiu i feel like they had to remake it anyway for backing tracks. My guess is that these versions have been existing since Garam went on hiatus/was kicked out.
@@Taejiu yea I def feel like they either didn't consider or just didn't care about the potential backlash. I think this could have been solved by making all of the songs they included remixes or something and just snuck in the 5 member version vocals, but idk how much time would have needed to go into that.
I enjoy this comeback. Antifragile is still my number one title track but I still enjoy Unforgiven very much, i feel like Antifragile was so fresh and good that people expected something better, which is realistically hard. Unforgiven is not bad at all, it is a solid quality title track. I definitely agree that Antifragile>Unforgiven>Fearless. I actually really like the chorus, it is so fun. I also don't understand why they include some old songs in it, i thought they would remix it but they basically just the same old but 5 members ver. Eve, Psyche and the Bluebeard's Wife is my fav bside and the performance, choreography of it is sooooo good, definitely the next Blue Flame, Impurities for me. Burn the Bridge is also good as well, Fire in the belly surprised me in a good way, definitely a jam, i love Yunjin's vocal in this. LE SSERAFIM never disappoints in terms of choreographies and performances. Their performances always give me so much energy and so fun to watch.
As my new saying goes “hope for the best expect the worst” sometimes you yourself disappoint yourself because we set such high “expectations”. Just hope for a good fun comeback and you’ll be pleasantly surprised 💯🙏🏽😊
Idk why but most of the time, after a kpop group releases a very successful comeback, most kpop groups will release fancy comebacks or something surprising. They end up being decent or good and can’t go up any higher in my opinion.
I agree completely; the Antifragile EP singlehandedly made Le Sserafim my favorite 4th gen group (Impurities was top 2 kpop song of 2022 to me). When I first heard Unforgiven I was underwhelmed, especially cuz Burn The Bridge hyped me up so much. Upon further listens though, this comeback is quite good, good enough that I'm satisfied and excited for what comes next
I feel exactly the same as u. Antifragile ep made me Stan the group cuz impurities, good parts, and no celestial were THAT GOOD. And I was also obsessed with burn the bridge
I personally love most of the album. I spent like the week before the release reminding myself that this is not Antifragile. By doing this I didn't really lower my expectations I just made them realistic. Antifragile as of now is their Magnum Opus. To put an example I will take Ive and Love Dive, Love Dive and Antifragile where amazing, 2022 Soty material, after that Ive released After Like which wasn't as good as Love Dive but it was still an amazing song, same with Le Sserafim, Unforgiven is not Antifragile and people need to see that, then they might actually enjoy it. About the 6 older songs I am dissapointed, even a somewhat different chorus or a different something would have been acceptable. In conclusion Unforgiven is not Antifragile, Source should made actual remixes of 2022 songs and if they were not going to do that (which isn't necesarily a bad thing) they should have at least included 1 or 2 more bsides. Anyway fimmies and Nile slayed and all these thing aren't in their control, they did the best with what was given to them.
The re-recording is a step in the right direction. The only difference between (G)-Idle and Le Sserafim is Soojin had a lot of comebacks with them so I think it would be easier to re-record just 1 era of Le Sserafim. In a way, this kinda also represents "Burn the Bridge" and being "Unforgiven". Nothing against Garam, but i like the commitement to the theme or concept if this was intetional.
(G)I-DLE probably have to beg Cube on their hands and knees to even let them in a studio to record a comeback lmao. But yeah i think the members wouldn't even want to re-record past releases in an attempt to erase Soojin. Idk it just seems unlike them.
@@baronbvnny yeah with all their attempt to include Soojin in any way since Tomboy, I won’t say they attempt to erase her. I am actually very interested in how is the legality of reusing past member(s) material, because technically, the songs are owned by Cube, right? Like how SM has been remastering their older discography (I.e. SNSD, f(x) whose all members are no longer under SM). So I get the impression that company has the right to do whatever the heck they want with the material including reusing it for commercial purpose. It is just for gidle, my thinking is for practicality purpose (I.e. concert), they had to re-record as ot5. Not to sure about Hybe’s decision to re-record 2023 version and including it in this album though.
I'm not mad at the comeback. I'm more confused at the choices the company made (because we know they make all final decisions for the group). Looking past the visuals of the artist and the MV (as we all know, they are SERVING every time anyways), the entire plan for the era is just not as cohesive as I expected for Le Sserafim and Hybe at this point. I felt like I was wanting more from the story-telling aspect of the era. If the company wanted the group to have some form of lore or an anthology (hence them including bits of Fearless and Anti-fragile into the "full album"), it does not translate well enough that the fans will be able to instantly understand the intention of the company for the brand of Le Sserafim as a group. Unforgiven era feels very much all over the place, imo.
Ya I also feel the mv lack something just my personal opinion it's missing the individual charm which every members brings together to make a powerful gg
It's just my personal opinion but i think that they had a storyline planned out initially during their debut with Garam (lesserafim=6 wings, also Garam appearing in enhypen's mv) something like that but since Garam left the group,they had to scrap that lore and remake something which will fit the now 5 members
my main issue with the tt is that it IS antifragile. the styling, lighting, effects and mv are literally a continuation . the song is like antifragiles slightly less sucsessful younger sister and this release being a 'fake' full album with a bad visual design for the photobooks doesnt leave room for forgiveness as to why this isnt a new fresh thing from them. I gotta say the bsides are absolutley incredible though
@@Gabb2912 because antifragile was the song that put them on the map for the general public, causing people to be hyped for their next comeback. We still have to wait to see if unforgiven will have as much longevity as antifragile, which is something I personally doubt
@@sarabeatriz5569 I didn't ask what song put them on the map for the general public, I just said unforgiven was no less successful. For a successful comeback, it's not just the MV and title that count
Personally I loved the whole album. Like I do agree that it was weird with the older songs to be in the album, and Unforgiven does have the same feeling to Antifragile but at the same time theyre different. The side tracks definitely are “better” than Unforgiven, but like you said its not a “bad” album. It may be that Im still relatively new to the kpop group scene, that makes me not dislike everything so I enjoy hearing the “negative” things about it. Like I stood up until 4am to listen to the album and only thought of “le sserafim’s dropping new music lets go!!” so I didnt have any “expectations” of comparing or judging the songs. Just love to jam/chill to music
Nope, actually there’s is a precedent for groups to re-realease songs without ex-members. Stray Kids have released tracks without Woojin and have scrubbed him from their history even though he was in the group much longer. That’s a slap in the face. Not this. Please explain why it’s an issue when Le Sserafim omits ex-members but crickets and even encouraged when Stray Kids does it even though Woojin was in the group for much longer. And no, Woojin did nothing wrong. I get it, you bonded with Garam but that’s no excuse to attack the group.
i was gonna comment on this hahah. skz is literally made 2 compilation albums of remakes of 95% of their older discography. so i dont see the problem of releasing remakes. oh i forgot to add, him saying no groups do remakes is a huge oversight on his end. most prolly bc he focuses on ggs more i think the problem with lsf is putting remakes in a studio album, especially when it's their first. tbh i rather have unforgiven as an EP then make a 2023 ver album for fearless
Straykids are the sole writers/producers of their song which is credited to them,thats why it's totally understandable to redo all thing so they will have sole credit of their discography and they have released it as compilation and digitally so it's different.And most company don't waste extra money to producers to rerecorded it's a given fact in general.I don't like the idea of remake in Studio album though like whats the point of a full album when it's gonna be all filler
It's logical to remake the songs so that they can perform them differently. We also don't know if Woojin refused to have his voice used if he doesn't want association with the group. I don't think it's wrong for LS to rerecord replacing Garam. We don't know the reason, so no need to attack anyone. At least Garam was only in a few songs so they can now continue the rest of their careers and performances as 5
Obviously it’s a compilation album and if they wanted to release a compilation album they definitely 100% needed to re-record the tracks since woojin isn’t there anymore. I don’t think the problem that people had with le sserafim was that they’re re-recorded and removed Garams voice more like they feel like they could have gotten new tracks instead of re-recording. So they’re not the same
Agree w you ab how great the live performances have been!! I think my biggest prob w unforgiven is not that it isn’t Antifragile but that it’s just Antifragile again- I want to see them grow and change as a group and even tho unforg and antifrag don’t sound similar they feel rly similar. I think this comeback is just a little underwhelming given all the hype- However it’ll prob grow on everyone w time like u said!! great vid
I think the main reason everyone is hating the album and saying it’s underwhelming is bc their company (AS WELL AS THOSE OLD UNCLE TV SHOW) spoiled WAAAAYY too much. Would’ve been better to just wait a few days. I blame it on the uncle show and not have since the uncle show literally showed half the song and choreo. However I was still impressed w the last half of unforgiven
I liked this cb a lot but I agree it is flawed in a lot of ways- not badly flawed but more like a dozen small cracks. On one hand- all of le sserafims title tracks have had to grow on me so I think Unforgiven will do so as well. I actually like it a lot- it’s very catchy and the spaghetti western sounds are so fun in a Kpop song. I think a lot of people had the experience with antifragile of ‘love at first play’ so they’re a bit disappointed and harsh on Unforgiven. I do think that the song lacks impact. I had this same issue with another recent Hybe labels release- super from seventeen. I wanted it to go full on pedal to the floor and it stayed a bit too mellow for me as opposed to something like Hit. With Unforgiven it never crescendos the way I want it to and the way the styling and the whole vibe of the cb promises it will. It stays a bit too cute and polished. I do sort of hope that now that we are getting away from the pre-planned trilogy from debut- we may get some more spontaneity and risk-taking from this group. My other issues I have with this cb are a bit nit-picky- like I don’t understand the styling for Unforgiven being so similar to Antifragile when cowboy aesthetics are so popular in Kpop. Like groups are wearing cowboy hats for no reason- why are you wearing jeans in the finale of your song? Also there’s a bizarre scene in the finale cuts where they are all wearing different colored wigs. It must be something they filmed more scenes of and didn’t use- but for some reason they used like a single second of all the girls in different colored bob wigs and it rattled me a bit because it was so out of place. I don’t get why they padded the runtime of the album with the antifragile songs. I mean at least with the remakes I do understand they redid the songs without a member who left. I don’t know if I agree with the decision but I do see why the decision was made. But no decision good or bad was made with the antifragile songs- they’re just here for some reason. Don’t get me wrong- I do like this cb. The only reason I am so nit-picky is that I think these tiny flaws in the cb are noticeable when your group has all the major parts working. When you get the big stuff sorted out- that’s when you can start focusing on the details. In general le sserafim have the big things figured out- concept, sound, members, performance, charm- they’ve got all that in spades. I think when they iron out some of these little things in future comebacks they’ll be even more unstoppable.
It's not that of a big deal actually. I mean, BTS or blackpink didn't reach on the top with perfect albums. Their fandoms grew bcuz of the music they kept bringing, so we don't have to worry about this album either. Music is different for everyone. We cannot have same tastes and that's fine. And yes the hype made was over the top and I agree some people might got a bit upset after it finally released. But believe me, u and I would never know the story behind the scenes so it's kinda unfair to even make assumptions at that point. I think the greatest part about HYBE is, that they never let their artists join the race of conservative kpop i.e. make the same a** music that is going trending these days. Musicality is what HYBE is know for and they never let that go despite any number of hate they get. So basically, this album was how I imagined it to be but maybe there were people who r not hardcore fans of le sserafim so they couldn't discern the comeback meticulously. But it's fine.
Fearnot is a fan song. And Younjin, a massive fan of Tayler Swift, was heavily involved in creating the song, including producing. And about the album's lack of cohesion, yes I agree with that, but I don't know how many cohesive albums have come out of the KPOP idol industry so far. I too wish there were more new songs. For negative reactions, I think there are two parts to the story. Some people were genuinely disappointed because they liked Anti more, and some people blindly hating on it because Le Sserafim is one of the main rival girl groups to their favorite girl group. Just like two fan bases from two different sports teams shitting on opposite teams. Overall I like the new songs.
Real I can’t really think of a cohesive album in kpop. Especially considering concept albums are so popular. At this point you just gotta criticize the whole industry when it comes to that.
Kpop doesn't see albums as works of art. It's just random songs slapped together to sell a product. I think that's paradoxically why kpop insist so much on overusing the world "concept", because they lack substance but try to pretend like they do. A true concept for an album is something like Lemonade or After hours, that's why Bey and Abel don't even need to use that word to describe their work cause it goes without saying. Kpop on the other hand has to slap it onto everything to give you the illusion that it's deep and well thoughtout when it's not, because there is simply not enough time in between releases to make a true cohesive album.
@@KookiesNolly Yeah I agree with you. But I think whole music industry is having same problem since the streaming platform and tiktok took over. I do not think the problem you pointed out is isolated problem of kpop idol music
My biggest gripe with Unforgiven as a song, I think, is the verses. I really like the pre-chorus and chorus, I think they're super catchy, but the verses feel like the producers and lyricists didn't know what to put in-between choruses so they just had the girls repeat the word "unforgiven" a bunch of times and called it a day. As for the MV, it feels weirdly disconnected, like they tried to do a whole storyline with lore and stuff, but we only get to see each scene once or twice for a couple of seconds and then never again, and none of them seem to have any kind of connection to each other. It comes off as just a bunch of random shots of the girls looking cool af, while simultaneously trying to tell us a story that is just not translating. It's a good comeback, I'll definitely be bopping to it in the weeks to come, but it had the potential to be so much better imo.
The exclusion of Sour Grapes is especially concerning because fans immediately labeled it Garam's song at debut. OT5 remixes would have been amazing. Garam-less tracks just highlight the absence of her vocal tone and remind me of the potential OT6 Le Sserafim could have been... just when I was starting to get over it. It sonically feels like picking at a scab. Source Music needs to let us heal.
Alot of shots in the unforgiven MV could totally be put in Antifragile and it would fit. And it does sound similar to antifragile okay, u can't just say the instrumentals are different bla bla etc when most people do feel the similar vibes 😭 (I guess the similar MV shots also adds to it)
I agree overall with your take on the title track. I did not expect the girls to try and outdo Antifragile either, in general I don’t have that kind of mentality with the artists I listen to because I know how ridiculous those kind of expectations are and quite frankly, very unfair. However, I also did not expect myself to actually dislike the song so much either. It’s very underwhelming for me, I actually liked Fearless therefore I would place this one as my least ‘favorite’ title track from them. I think for me too, the biggest problem with the song is the chorus, I usually don’t mind when a song uses repetition, however, in this case I do feel like it’s being overdone, and although somewhat catchy, it becomes annoying towards the end. I wish they were more inspired, and maybe did something else for the final chorus or something. I think they were so focused on trying to make the song as catchy as possible by using the repetition technique, from the word unforgiven, certain phrases and even the sample in the background, that they didn’t realize how forced it was starting to become. My favorite part is the prechorus, I LOVE songs that are very melodic, and I wish they did that more throughout the song. As for the video, I actually enjoyed it. Yes I understand some of the ‘complaints’ people have however, I personally enjoyed the styling and sets, it made sense to me since this was supposed to be a continuation to Antifragile. My opinion is that the song will probably grow on some people, however, I don’t see it having the same kind of longevity as their previous songs because it is so underwhelming. As for the album, I liked ‘Eve..’, now something like THAT should have been the title track IMO.
I agree, I didn't put too much expectation when I first heard the teaser but apparently for me, that teaser just summarized the whole song. As much as I like Le Sserafim's discography, I couldn't finish the song on the second listen due to how repetitive it becomes. Personally, my favourite from the album are Eve, Psyche and the Bluebeard's Wife and Fire in the Belly and it feels like a better choice for title track but it may becomes too 'similar' to Antifragile. Well, it's not an artist if they didn't have a mediocre or disappointed release so it's not a big of a deal
I'm so glad to hear another person say they feel like Unforgiven is missing something, I genuinely thought I was going crazy trying to figure out what about it wasn't hitting with me. I honestly felt bad for not liking this album as I thought I was going to; I got so hyped for it that I felt like I *had* to like the new b-sides. I don't hate anything on this album, all of the songs are good, they just don't really do anything for me personally and that's okay. For me, I just think this album is gonna help people appreciate their future comebacks. There were a lot of good things going on in this album, I think they can do better and I think they *will* do better, yknow?
I disagree with you about the of “unforgiven” part of the chorus cause when I first listened to it I was like okay this just an okay song but as I was going throughout my day at work the chorus kept coming back to me and I unexpectedly started singing the chorus and I was like WHAT?!? Do I actually like this song? 😮 and so I went and listened back to it and I couldn’t stop listening to it. I personally love this album.
I agree with everything else said here, people just don't let kpop groups have just an "okay" comeback it's either groundbreaking or it's trash and it's such a weird way to view music to me as someone who genuinely loves music. Very little groups can drop SOTY type of title tracks every comeback nor can they meet every single person's expectation, I wish people gave groups more grace when it comes to things like this especially rookie groups that barely have a footing yet, it's almost like you start to get passes on releasing "bad" music once you're a senior and incredibly popular which feels very backwards if anything. I'm definitely not obsessed with unforgiven like I was antifragile but it''s fine and I really didn't like the 2nd half of the chorus when I first listened but now it's definitely grown and it's just a standard good song to listen to sometimes. I do think the pauses in the mv along with how much was spoiled prior really did dampen it though, it took me listening to it with the rest of the album to settle with me. As for the bsides though I absolutely love all of them, even fearnot is pretty although it's not my type of listen. No Return I wasn't sure about but now it's almost my favorite song. and the rest i loved immediately. I looked at a lot of reactions to individual songs on twitter + how they're charting and people seem to be liking it from what I see so maybe it's your timeline or the tides have already changed a day later.
there is a lot i disagree with on this video. i think what bothers me is that a lot of people miss the conceptual through line / narrative that le sserafim presents with this alblum. FEAR-less, ANTI-fragile, UN-forgiven. there is so much more to this than the amount of music being put out. our girls aren't machines. quality over quantity always!
Most people don't give a crap about lore tho. And don't like that old songs are added into a "full" album. They should just call it another mini album or smth
@@xsomili5501 I’m not talking about lore here! I’m talking about the concepts of the songs (lyricism that accompany the sonic and visual elements) which all connect to represent who le sserafim is and what they’re trying to say as a group. i feel like it’s super value-adding to zoom out and appreciate it from this perspective rather than just counting off how many songs are old and new! like what sakura said, listening to the album in order and in its entirety is an experience 😊 just wanted to voice this out!
@@bangtonic6544 I see. Personally I don't understand Korean so I miss it all 🫠 but I agree they don't need quantity over quality. But please, don't go to bp levels of "quantity"
Unforgiven is definitely a grower, at first i was not feeling it, but i like more now that i listened to it a bit more. My ranking of the new songs: 1. Eve, psyche and the bluebeards wife 2. Fire in the belly 3. Burn the bridge 4. Unforgiven 5. Flash forward 6. No return 7. Fearnot Update: swapped bluebeards wife and fire in the belly
for my money they slayed this comeback, the whole album is full of summer bangers. loving how they did this album. also I'm happy to her a remake of Fearless because the line distributions are better with the current members, it's like how they perform these songs at live shows.
this album to me is a repackage along the lines of the reve festival finale rather than a proper full album and I believe it was always planned to be this way. they teased antifragile at the end of fearless and unforgiven at the end of antifragile, I believe this album is meant to be the “finale” of their “negatives” trilogy (I know there’s a proper word for the -less, anti-, and un- usages but I can’t think of it). now with that in mind I do agree that the ot5 versions of the fearless songs is very shitty towards garam because regardless of how true her scandal is or isn’t it’s messy and disrespectful to put her through all of that just to erase her entire existence after only 2 weeks of activity. HOWEVER, if the plan from the beginning was to combine pieces of the other albums into this one then ot5 versions are the only option here since hybe and source would have to deal with a lot of extra legal work to be allowed to include the original ot6 versions with garam on them. it’s much easier and more cost effective for them to re-record her parts for the release. I do still believe it’s a shitty thing to do and garam was severely screwed over but from a business, legal, and financial standpoint I completely understand why they did it.
This isn't a point I'm making, it's just something I'm noting, but Stray Kids did rerecord their entire discography without Woojin after he left (got kicked out? it's unclear) and that was dozens of songs. Because I was familiar with that, when I saw the 2023 ver of the Fearless songs, I assumed they just rerecorded the songs without Garam. Why would Hybe feel the need to do that? No clue. This situation was/is completely different from the Woojin situation, with what happened with Woojin the public just has no clue what happened so it's pretty nuanced. With Garam, it's clear that Hybe fucked up which just makes it all confusing. Was I surprised? No, I was actually expecting it. Was I confused at the point? Yes.
It is clear Woojin felt for personal reasons, just like Jinni (now Jini) of NMIXX (it isn't that serious and even Jini is going solo too, like Woojin, the issue is Jini has more people who support her and Woojin has more people who hate him). It still bothers me why they didn't make all OT5 versions of the Fearless Album, but only three songs. It just feels dumb because the company didn't fully commit. Stray Kids did, and they had a good amount of music with Woojin before he left Stray Kids, so why and what is the point.. is the big question indeed.
@@justdb4 I feel like they only did 3 songs bc they probably didn’t have the time to do more (between shoots, award show season, recording, content etc) and bc Fearless and Blue flame are songs they perform more than the others now. For the intro idk honestly
I agree. I think they’re only performing those three songs in their tour so they had to republish again so they can sing to their own voices with their own lines. May also be for legal purposes too.
@@justdb4 And Straykids mostly did it for owning all credits for their discography as they're self produced but I don't think it's a need for other group
It’s hard to believe that there are some people that don’t seem to grasp the concept of Lesserafim at this point. The New Album is a Chronology of their Journey. The intro of each era as well as the most recognized songs of each era. Bringing us to where we are now and there is no going back hence “Burn the bridge” at least that’s the way I perceive and understand it to be. They’re moving forward… People need to just enjoy their talents and vision. Each of their first Eras had 5 tracks, if you exclude those from the Unforgiven ep there are 7 new tracks and they’re good! So Enjoy!!! There’s something for everyone!
I think its a good album honestly, Unforgiven is good in my books, even if it isn’t better than antifragile, because not every song has to out-do the other. And the b-sides are good too, some a little less than the others, but overall I think this was a nice addition to their discography (if we put aside the 6 old songs)
To the people that keep mentioning SKZ it’s definitely a different situation that’s a compilation album it’s not a full studio album so it makes sense that they would re-recorded the songs because a member isn’t there anymore. Even EXO recently re-recorded their single Bird Because they only had 6 members on the original and now 8 members on the re-recorded track. But Both these are different situations. The problem most people had with the re-recording of songs from their previous ep is they were not necessary… (at least from some fan’s view) I mean the question is instead of re-recording old songs what stopped Source music from adding new tracks And probably releasing a REPACKAGED ALBUM with re-recorded tracks after (which is basically what this album seems like) after. I’m an EXO fan and EXO have so many REPACKAGE albums so I literally have no problem with old songs on an album the problem some fans have is that the album was promoted as a full studio album when it’s definitely a Repackaged album. Almost all K-pop groups have old songs on their album. What makes SECTOR 17 a repackaged album and UNFORGIVEN a full album? Nothing they’re the same
Fearless, Antifragile and Unforgiven are all interconnected and represent three parts of a larger story and message. They make up a trilogy, and if you watch the Antifragile music video, you can see a reference to Unforgiven after MV was over "Do you want to be forgiven?". The girls worked hard not to reveal too much about their next title song, "Unforgiven", as it was part of their plan all along. Part of me wondered why Fearless and Antifragile were included on the album at 1st place, and I wished they had included more new songs instead 4 sure. However, it is natural to include all three parts of the trilogy on the same album. Perhaps it was more than just laziness that led to their inclusion. While some people may dislike this approach, labeling it only as the result of laziness seems a bit too harsh to me. When Metallica released the Black album, some people, actually tons of people, loved it but some people absolutely hated it because it was not Battery or Master of Puppets. If people do not like Unforgiven because it is not Antifragile, they need to deal with it. And if Unforgiven was more dirty and ashy, people would hate the song because of it.
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8:48 EXACTLY. Just release this album as 6 new tracks +1 intro please, that wouldn't be as infuriating as having to see the (2023 versions) being shoved in my face everytime I click in
I don't mind the 2023 ver it makes sense for them to want their central tracks to be what the group is now, But it would've been better if the tracks were in a different order.
Only now have I finished watching your video, so I want to say I'm agree with you on basically every your point. It's good comeback, if Antifragile was 10/10, this was 8/10. I'm definitely gonna listen at least 3 songs: Unforgiven; Eve, Psyche; Fire in the Belly. It's just if it was EP, it would be much more appreciated. Also, what Unforgiven lacks, I can tell you. The pre-chorus builds up to something really massive, it's a crazy build up actually, I was all pumped up expecting crazy chorus. And chorus just wasn't crazy. Even if you leave this chorus, but make a build-up less intense, you would much more. Another thing is their album art. I get what people say about it, but personally I really like it. First, at least here they have steady concept with it being white and minimalistic. Second, it's not muddy, it's burned. So it fits the concept of the title track really good. In the end, it's not the cover what makes album great. It's a great album, that makes album cover legendary. Like, take Nirvana's swimming baby, I wasn't born ofc when it was released, but I don't see this cover as something extraordinary. But because the album itself became legendary, the cover also became such. Tho you have to release legendary album for it to happen. Overall, I like the album, but I don't see it being rising Le Sserafim to new heights, like Antifragile did, or like IVE's album did to IVE. And about all shady things with Garam etc. I can let it pass, personally, it's just there's simple rule, which I don't know why they're disregarding. If you choose between something being controversial and trying to make it not controversial, ALWAYS pick the second. Why would you do anything controversial at all? It's not like you couldn't predict it's gonna be controversial. That, and their 6 out 13 songs being old, is really really lazy, and I really don't like it. Also, it may not be important for many, but for me, again. Every their performance, WHY DON'T they sing live? They CAN do it, why don't they? Look at IVE, who would've expected THEM out of all to sing live, but they do, and they do great! And that's one of the contributors to their's album success. Why don't Le Sserafim do it?
yeah antifragile set very high expectations for their next comeback. i hope their tt does grow on me, but currently it's just. alright. weirdly enough it sounds more repetitive to me than both antifragile and fearless. their b-sides are good as always, and my favorite new song from the album is fire in the belly, probably because of how different it sounds compared to the other tracks on it. banger video, as always ^^
I dont like to compare one album to another because truthfully its so easy to get caught up in the past. I enjoy the visual teasers they have released and it made me superrr hype. They got 1 mil sales first day which I think they must be doing something right based off of that alone lol.
Honestly I still feel bad about Garam and I think I will never not feel bad, we have to move on but re-releasing a whole album without her is kinda shady if they did it to please some ppl, if they did it because it was requested by her parents/guardian I understand but let’s not make assumptions. Personally, I think is more about legal stuff so is more complicated and I don’t want to go to that party. Now onto the album, is not bad but is not good, beating Antifragile will be hard, Unforgiven grew on me after 2 or 3 listens (that doesn’t mean is a bad song), my faves are the Bluebeard song (long a$$ title I never remember and I probably never will), Fire on the Belly (arriba mi gente latina, Marc Anthony, World Cup vibes, LOOOOVE IT) and No Return is cute love the choreo, I feel ppl who say those songs are so bad in their opinion just hate fun, I thought ppl wanted fun but oh well, for tastes, colors. Fearnot is cute and Flash Forward is relaxing and pretty, 8/10 imo. All the hate is getting? Forced, not liking it is one thing but straight out hating it is too much, the design? As a designer myself I’m offended, burning paper turns brown, that’s true, but the distribution and the way the stains were made is… questionable…, MV is pretty, outfits are ok but there’s more than denim 🙂🙂🙂🙂 please 🙂🙂🙂🙂 That concludes my essay, if you read all this thank you, is long af I’m sorry 😣
I think people had higher expectation cuz they are LE SSERAFIM (one of the biggest newer ggs) and also because IVE released a full album that was pretty good too for a rookie group. The Album wasn't bad.. It just didn't meet people's expectation. Also putting previous songs and stuff made the album look messy (to me). It would have been a great mini if they released only the new tracks and maybe the EVE song as the title track or something else as the title track
Nah, unforgiven is the perfect song for the title, eve has nothing to do with a title, it's VERY repetitive (much more than Unforgiven), the structure doesn't match and the overall concept of the song doesn't either
I think the main reason people don't like this song compared to Anti-fragile, it's not because Unforgiven is not Anti-fragile, (I mean duh) but because it kinda tries to be, maybe not in a musical way, but the whole thing. From an outside perspective like mine, since I don't actually like either of the songs, it seems to me Anti-fragile at least brought something different and "new", I was interested even if I didn't like it, where Unforgiven it just falls in the "same but not" category, trying to recreate what AF did. I almost stopped listening after the second pre-chorus because I got bored. No hate to the girls whatsoever, I live in hope their next title track follows the same music style as The Great Mermaid, since I love that.
I wish they did 2023 ver of Sour Grapes and The Great Mermaid. Unforgiven itself was alright. I wish there was a high note to close the song like what Chaewon did in Antifragile. The song just ends and Im like ? oh thats it ? 🤷
I think the spoken choruses (along with the pacing-definitely agree there!) in both Antifragile & Unforgiven are what might make them sound so similar to people!
I always give new albums at least a month before I decide if I like it or not. Can't wait to explore this one and see what I get from it. Great video as always!
Just to add to Eve, Psyche and the Bluebeard's wife - Psyche was indeed a goddess but before that - and that's what the song refers to - she was a human forbidden to look at her husband, Eros, but she was so curious she looked anyway when he was asleep. So that fits the "forbidden" narrative of the song.
Offtopic but I wish by some miracle they get Garam back. Both from a moral standpoint and business standpoint. Garam worked so hard, is innocent and genuinely deserves to be in the group + an apology from the world. Hybe should have taken responsibility to protect the minor if they made her debut. They knew she was innocent - they should have put her on hiatus, not terminated her contract. From a business standpoint - I feel like Garam was necessary for Le Serraffim. She has a really good vocal tone which is addictive to listen to... right now, I'm missing that in Le Serraffim and I feel like its leading to Yunjin and Chaewon heavy lifting more than they can handle in a way (if you get what I mean)... Garam was chill and sweet in the group and without her its a bit tiring listening to them. Idc what anyone says, Garam was also a top tier visual. Had the scandal not happened - bet she would be at the very top right now. Le Serraffim do not have a strong visual member ( Kazuha is pretty but netizen mostly like her cause of her resemblance to suzy) and whether anyone likes to admit it or not - it will affect them in the future in an industry like kpop. They need Garam back. Le Serraffim feels like its missing something right now.
Agreed with all these points, especially vocally. Garam was really needed to balance yunjin and chaewon. Miss her voice a lot. The other members have their own flavor especially Kazuha, but not vocalist material
Actually from what i’ve seen, most of the feedback has been positive. I seem to notice that lesserafim fans don’t hate on the girls for the stuff they put out, even if they don’t like it. You’ll see this with their name, fandom name, lightstick, outfits, concept, and even songs. They just enjoy the moment and the content. That’s why I love being a fearnot💖
I do really like Unforgiven. As first listen it was like a meh but once I listened to it on headphones and I enjoyed it very much. The taylor swift sound is litrally there in fearnot
Honestly i dont care that its not antifragile. I actually hoped for something completly different. But its just as you said. The chorus is just .... meh. Sounds like a last chorus, is kinda empty and they say unforgiven way to much. But i guess thats just life, i never liked every single comeback from a group. There got to be misses.
I see this release as a reflection how the kpop community has made these women feel. The album cover is not flashy or perfect because they don't feel that way. They feel beat up and bruised after being trashed since their debut, mostly for something they company did. Even this guy can't let it go and let them have a moment without that negativity again. They had drama before the comeback because people love to sabotage them. The album repeats the old music because they haven't been allowed to move on and were probably feeling like they never will be able to. They really are stuck on repeat with some people. Garam is there, then isn't there because it's what people just love to constantly bring up, including this video, even though they had nothing to do with it. All of that makes them who they are and they acknowledge it but still move forward at the same time doing things with the freedom the hate gives them. If they know some are going to complain no matter what, they don't really need to do be bothered with giving what they expected or want. Just my take on the album.
I agree with u. Unforgiven to me as a single is a downgrade from Antifragile. I'm been listening to since it's release and somehow I cannot get into it compare to antifragile with just a few listen to it. And for the album, calling this a Full Album feels like a scam (not hating on the girls love them) they should have call this a mini album, I hate when kpop companies do this practice, I can understand if it's a pre release song but a songs that has been released 6-8 months ago! Feels like a lazy job, they have to squeeze those old song so that they can call is a Full album.
OMG you are so correct. I had the same issues with Unforgiven the first few listens, but after hearing it a few more times, I find myself listening to it way more than Anti-fragile and Fearless. Instead of being a break down of individual flaws, the sum of all its parts has now become an enjoyable blend of beats and melodies. And I can't deny, I really liked the chorus from the start, the build up to a beat drop had me rockin out, and with that whistle sound really added that badass Old West feel to it. Plus the choreo that goes with it, cowboy hats off to that. Unforgiven I'm a villain!
In my opinion, Unforgiven is the last intros series of Lesserafim's... The production took three song titles to introduce Lesserafim entirely. Fearless, Antifragile and Unforgiven is the characteristics of Lesserafim's that be would brought in the future. People don't have to like it just like Fearless... What they want to show is important... The 2023 version were put in the album might because it's for performance sake. In the end they all Slayed! I just can't get enough Unforgiven... It's too short...
They had seven months and most albums in k pop are full-length, it is more nowadays that a lot more artists are adding old songs on their albums. Also, yes, it was promoted as a full ALBUM. The company said they would come back with a full album, which is a promotion
The song was a bit disappointing (not because I wanted another Antifragile) since I just expect more from the title track. The hook was cute, but it was too long and hollow. I usually like a hollow hook, and I could get into a long hook, if they go somewhere. But it was just so empty to me and I felt sad, because I wanted to like this song too. I don't know how to feel yet but I'll let you know later. Rant: Also, this album makes me angry. The 6 old songs on here make no sense. 3 of them are there just to scrub Garam as if she never existed (f*** you Hybe). Notice they only did it with 3 of them and left out Sour Grapes (in which that song went viral because of Garam's vocals people would be pissed). They could have went a full Stray Kids and could have made all OT5 songs of all of their previous songs (or could have given us remixes), but nope. It's lazy and just will make people confused. This album is giving Girls by AESPA and I hate it here. I really wanted to like this "Studio Album", but I am just upset, confused and pissed. Also, Hybe (and especially you Source Music) if you are gonna promote this album as a "Studio Album" on Newsforums and all SNS then actually give us more newer music than old music and we would have forgiven, but you will be Unforgiven for your lies. Lesserafim deserve better.
yeah but at least "girls" by aespa was just a mini album, as far as I know they never claimed it to be a full album. they were honest unlike hybe who wanted to resell group's content in disguise of a full album
My personal thoughts- Regarding the album- Honestly either give me a minialbum or just give us remixes of the songs ur adding. Or sell it as a repackaged/whatever. Like, I don’t have an issue with repackaged albums bc that’s the point. But I’d rather be given remixes of anti fragile/fearless and the songs from said albums and call it a day. Album packaging- its ugly. I don’t want it, I won’t buy it. There ARE ways to get a burnt/ashy/dirty look without it being outright horrible. Unforgiven- I probably will not watch the music video again. I’m not into mv’s that make it hard to just listen to, it’s not ugly but I think I would def shoot it differently. The song itself is just SO much better without the MV. Do I like it? Not really. I think the chorus is bland and it’s missing something to make it interesting. I agree with the sentiment of it underplaying in parts. In summary, I wish it was just an EP or and EP + Remixes of different Fearless songs. I wouldn’t buy it, there’s no interest to me.
13:04 ahhh I haaaate wild west concepts I was SO EXCITED when I was their Bloody Rose concept photos, and then heard the intro melody. I was so convinced it was gonna be a melodic melodrama track 😭😭😭 I guess I shouldn't expect anything bc expectations always let u down 😂
I agree with what you said about everyone expecting it to be anti fragile but the reality is that it's a different concept and then moving on from that I don't know if many kpop fans have realized that most Le serafim leading singles are usually the type of songs that grows on you over time untill you become addicted eventually not just immediately but their besides are always amazing perhaps it's a strategy I don't know, for me personally I listened to it at first I thought it was just meh but now I seem to be dancing to it consistently I don't know how I got here, for me I feel like the instrumental of the song was too heavy which was why they decided to do minimum so as too keep the audience captivated to the storyline and not to feel overwhelmed by the vocals and all that, do we all remember when we first heard fearless and thought it was boring because it had little to no high note and it had a constant flow but over time we came to like it because the pace of the song went with the message which was confidence and that confidence isn't always loud or dramatic in in conclusion what I want to say is that not every song of the album have to have that omg factor if it did you would probably be overwhelmed by it, I agree on the fact that them trying to erase garam is painful but has anyone thought about what garam herself wants what if she also wants to forget that she was ever a part of lessarafim in other to heal from the pain she had to deal with in between, what if she complained and now they're trying to do so to help her and the girls move on in totality, about the denims for me personally I think they're nice for one reason I think it's a marketing strategy to make the girls look like they can be normal people and to have normal people relate to them like a normal person who has pain and wounds which is what the company has been trying to promote from the start of the group so denim for normalcy plus they look good in it, I agree they can switch styles but denim is good for them too, everyone keeps on forgetting that this girls are rookies we can't expect everything they put out to be perfect shall we all take a trip down the first second and third generations of kpop idols first albums, it wasn't always the best but as artists you are expected to make mistakes and try and then you're expected to grow over time with experience I saw alot of people giving enhypen hate last year for the last album not being up to their other albums and that made me laugh because they are literally rookies sadly most 4th generation kpop idols have to deal with this drama because apparently they're not expected to be anything less than perfect, if we can make mistakes with our jobs and school work from time to time who said they can not?, Who said we can not all fix things over time, perhaps we need to remind ourselves of this sometimes before we become so illogically critical sometimes...I'm not even a die hard fearnot but rather a casual listener but I just had to speak up about this pattern I've been noticing in the kpop fandom over the recent times
I feel like something's missing on Unforgiven, but I think it's because now they're going full girl crush? I mean, I can feel that they mixed feminity and fierce in Fearless and Antifragile. Tbh, this is one of the reason why I like Lesserafim in the first place. It's giving me "you can be feminine but fierce at the same time." The fierce part at two previous mini album are not overdone. But for Unforgiven, it feels like the feminine part is gone for the sake for the storyline (they're fallen angels causing disaster and having fun on earth now). It's still enjoyable, but it's missing something that Fearless and Antifragile had. Also, are we suddenly forgot about the fashion show concept?
I think the remakes make perfect sense. Whether people like it or not garam is gone and they will be performing these songs for the rest of their career, it's much easier for them to do so with the ones without her and maybe share it with fans officially (not to mention they clearly held back releasing a blue flame dance practice that a ton of people wanted until they could release the actual version they were dancing to) and in a few years from now they will have fans who weren't even around for the garam thing and what would be the reason they need to know about it really and just constantly have it brought up to remind the girls. They have to move on so yes they should re-record the songs, I don't really understand the push back with that. And the legality of it is an entirely other thing. I'd get if people were bitter about them removing the original songs because I personally prefer original blue flame but they didn't so it's just a way to remember their history but also move on from it. I also think the gidle comparison falls flat when soojin was in the group for years.. not a week ofc they wouldn't re-record bc she's a huge part of their history garam just wasn't there long enough. She's already been technically gotten rid of so re-recording songs doesn't do that... her getting kicked out did. I also thought it was lazy but apparently it's related to the lore so whatever. I just hope for a real full album in a year or so.
I liked Unforgiven. Issue with repetitiveness? Yes, unforgiven was used 41 to 44 times (one instance was either once or 3 separate uses) , but @Taejiu didn't mention repetitiveness when Ive used kitsch 43 times. At least unforgiven is more commonly used than kitsch. If anyone knows the movie Mean Girls, "Stop trying to make fetch (kitsch) happen."
I personally think repeating words are either liked or disliked. I thought kitsch’s repetition was okay. I did not really like fearless’s repetition and thought it was boring however I found myself used to the unforgiven repetition and idk why 😭
yea kitsch sucked too i love both groups but if half of your lyrics are the same word and the rest of them are the absolute most boring, cliche, uncreative shit then… tho at least the rest of kitsch was ok unforgiven is just criminal
I still haven't finished the vid but I would like to comment on the "It" factor that Taejiu said. I think it was because of the hype that, not just the era started when hybe announced that they're gonna have a full album (still kinda mad about the only 7 new tracks but kinda get it since they might also rerecorded the 3 2023ver. songs), but also the hype when burn the bridge drop and their venture onto having a lore, and the hype that Antifragile created for them. I think people expected a lot during this comeback and the cb did not really live up to the high (like legit high) expectations of people from them. It was like how "Fake Love", LY:Tear, and Proof by BTS was also hyped so much that when the CB happened some people also felt "meh" and some even said that they like Blood, Sweat, and Tears more. I think it just didn't live up to the hype that it got. But I can see "Unforgiven" being enjoyed by people after the hype finally die down much like how "Fake Love" redeemed itself after the date of the CB happened. It also didn't help that knowing bros. already released the 1st verse to chorus of the song. We basically heard and seen almost half of the song before we even got to enjoy listening and seeing it for the first time during the CB date. The "wow" factor dropped by a bit. So yeah, that's it. I would just like to share my thoughts about it. Also, Taejiu, I'm a regular in your channel just wanna say that I really like your videos!!
I'd call it conventionally unconventional. For me, I don't really care much about lore even though I like groups with lore more than others, I just want good music. This album just hit right for me. Unforgiven feels like a sequel to antifragile . Antifragile is the main banger and unforgiven switches it up while keeping the core concept the same
As someone who didn't like Antifragile that much (most of the EP) I had my expectations quite low, except for the title track, but I had some hope we would get something a bit more like their debut EP because it's quite obvious (to me) that these songs seem to be way more loved, like Sour Grapes was really well accepted by gg stans, Blue Flame as well, Fearless grew on a lot of people especially after that tiktok Promiscous mashup. While a lot of people loved Antifragile, the rest of that EP is never talked about, maybe some people will remember Impurities (one of their best songs so far omg) but that's kinda of it. Bang Pd talking about latin music is kinda weird now that I listened to Fire in the Belly, I'm sure each latine person has their own opinion but to me, if I wanna listen to latin music I'll listen to latin music and support my fellow latines. It's fine to be inspired every here and then, Antifragile is cute, but like ok stop (again this is MY opinion, it feels weird and not genuine TO ME). Again, this is just me, myself, so to each their own. I wish Burn the Bridge was an actual song, it would for sure be my favorite but I don't really see myself going back to any of the new songs, now I'll wait for their next comeback. Also the MV is so boring compared to their album trailer.
Personally i expected more new songs, not only because its le sserafim, but also because of IVE. I mean i was hyped in a way like i would have another 10+ new songs to listen. The songs that came out, not a lot but good quality. Not every of them is my style, but most of them definetely goes to my playlist
unpopular opinion(?): Eve, Psyche, & Bluebeard's Wife should've been the title track. The way I've been shouting "I WISH FOR WHAT'S FORBIDDEN" at work is getting scary.
For me what dissapointed me a little was how amazing the Burn the bridge teaser was , how dramatic and visually pleasing .I tought the Unforgiven MV would be the same like Newjeans OMG with pauses and story also the tought the song would be like burn the bridge. Unforgiven MV and song is still good but not what i expected it to be
the only reason i dislike the ot5 versions is bc they could’ve put it on a repackage or compilation album. like ppl are upset abt her “legacy being erased” when she only promoted for two weeks & isn’t in the industry anymore. u can still listen to the versions with her voice on spotify & other platforms so this whole “whining” abt her legacy is a bit annoying.
i went into this comeback fully knowing it would not live up to antifragile but i was still slightly disappointed. it's a really catchy song and i do like some parts but it's just not one of those songs i would actively seek out. that being said, this is still going to be stuck in my head for a while and the choreo and stages look so fun
Gonna be honest I already saw people deciding they were not gonna like Lesserafims new album and comeback a week before it even dropped so honestly I just decided I love it tbh. I mean a week before and it’s all “it’s not gonna be better than anti fragile” “I already don’t like it because it’s not gonna be like anti fragile!”. And even more so like idk I feel from how at least Twitter talks about them no one will like what they put out next comeback either.
Usually albums with old songs mixed in are labeled and promoted as repackaged albums which have been a thing in Kpop for a very long time. I’m not sure why they didn’t just call it a repackage
I just commented a whole essay about the flaws of this song but you know what it’s still a catchy song. I just wish the rap section would’ve been better it really killed it for me. I don’t think I TRIED to compare it to anti-fragile, it was hard not to because the MV towards the end was literally anti fragile. Also fearless was such a seamless perfect song. Compare that to anti fragile and unforgiven, these two definitely do have that repetitive title and ‘formula’ that is similar in many ways. Unforgiven seems like an uninspired attempt to remake anti-fragile as a Wild West song. Like I’m genuinely not trying to compare the two it’s just THERE like you can’t deny it. I feel like they should’ve just kept the new songs and called it an EP. I think we all collectively wouldn’t have questioned that right? They kind of set themselves up by adding the old songs just to force an ‘album’. I feel like the song doesn’t really have any KILLER point except for the actual repetition that is undoubtedly catchy. Compare that to anti-fragile and I’d argue that the verses were the appeal more so than the antititi. For example yunjins verse in the opening. 10/10. Idk I just cannot get behind unforgiven’s rap section like it was just BAD. Which is so wild to me because yunjin ate her verse in the opening and that was giving more ‘rap’ than the actual rap. Really love the pre chorus and I guess I can get behind the chorus too. The WATCH ME NOWWW is the one reason I’m listening to this song, aside from the fact that it’s catchy.
i think the whole rerecording makes sense to a certain extent, it reminded me of DAY6 and the whole Junhyeok situation with a member leaving REALLY early in the group's career, but leaving out TWO songs??? like what..... HYBE????? it makes absolutely no sense.
Notes: 1. The albums covers are not it. Doesn't look like mud to me, but it's not great either. But I like the digital album art with the red. 2. It's just uncreative imo to release a full studio album with HALF of them being the older songs. I understand they might not have ample time, but couldn't they just release a mini album with all the newer songs, then have the 2023 versions (which is quite unnecessary tbh) as additional/bonus tracks? It's not just them; other artists also release full albums, only to realize that half of them aren't new. At this point, companies just compiles previous songs, add some newer ones, then announce them as full album. 3. Unforgiven is actually a very nice song, and I felt like this was what I was looking for when Itzy announced an "Old West" concept for Not Shy. Agree on all your points about the song 👏👏 With Nile Rodgers on the song, it could have been bigger, but it just didn't had that IT factor, unlike Antifragile. Still, very nice choreo, very nice song (Yunjin's hips don't lie tho) 👏👏 Really like the two-part pre-chorus, and the chorus makes me want to lead a chaos on our school corridor. I wish more outfits would appear on stages other than the denim ones. 4. The other songs looks very promising, I have heard and watched the stage of the Eve... song, THEY ATE EVERYTHING UP
I don't think Unforgiven is bad, but I must agree that I don't like it as much as other Le Sserafim songs. Their first songs are better. I actually love Impurities. It is such a strange sound, but for whatever reason I love it. I think Antifragile is really good too, but it doesn't have the sound that usually makes me like groups. Antifragile is almost too simple to me. Impurities is that song that sounds weird and good at the same time. I LOVE the jazzy stuff.
I’m just disappointed because the concept pictures were sooo good but then they came out with what felt like a AF 2.0 theme in the MV.(also I think fearless is their best TT don’t come for me but the model theme was executed so well and was cvnt idc) (also I don’t think it’s garam shade I think the company knows she was innocent they just wanted to include those songs for lore and can’t profit off of her voice but #justiceforgaram anyways)
This song grew on me ! I hated unforgiven , and I was dissapointed from unforgiven ,but now I take it on an equal level to antifragile! That's the beauty of lesserafim's songs
I don't Stan them, but I have noticed that people always expect so much of hybe releases, believing that hybe always brings "something new" or game changing. So they always put expectations too high
Shoutout to anyone that got that John Wall dance reference
I screamed
lol
Garam is no longer a member please don't be ghetto and get over it.
@@jayr7781 bro really typed “don’t be ghetto”
@@Taejiu Yes I trust you can read. Topic was like 500 years ago. It's woojin stray kidz all over again. Feels so forced.
This is not confirmed and i don't know if this is the company's plan or not but Fearless-Antifragile-Unforgiven might be a trilogy. In Fearless, Antifragile mvs in the end they usually hint a sentence about the next comeback ("do you think im fragile?" in Fearless and "do you want to be forgiven" in antifragile). But they didn't spoil any in unforgiven mv. This could honestly just because they haven't planned their next comeback yet and some fans just overthinking but Fearless, Antifragile and Unforgiven has similarities in that it is about empowering and confident to overcome obstacles and walk your own path. It would be cool if this would be a trilogy that covers LE SSERFIM first chapter and they will explore deeper and change up their concept a bit in their next chapter of their career.
perhaps they will follow this rule of releasing 2 mini albums and the 3rd one being a full album pattern, and these trilogies will be connected just like fearless-antifragile and unforgiven are
Fearless-Antifragile-Unforgiven is a trilogy.
yes
Big Hit Entertainment did this alot with BTS back in the day. But instead of them giving hints to their next comeback in their songs, it was shown more in the album names (e.g. LY series being inspired by Carl Jung) and their end of year award show performances (can't think of an example at the top of head, sorry!).
@@the.chocolatefactory yessss! BTS discography can be distinct easily through their trilogies or series. Their debut era were heavily hiphop influenced and very intense, rebellious concept. Then their HYYH era were less intense but more emotionally explore the beauty and difficulties of the youth. Then Wings era then the iconic trilogy LY, and ofcourse our MOTS duo. It also might be because LE SSERAFIM's current creative director - Nu Kim, used to work with BTS (and TXT too i think) back then so Bang PD and this creative director might be building a similiar path in developing LE SSERAFIM's discography and concept. In my opinion, both BTS and LE SSERAFIM (and TXT too) concept involved and build more on feelings/emotions storytelling rather than simply just choosing a visually pretty concepts. BTS deeply explore stages of life (rebellious teenage, youth) and indentity (difficulties of excepting, loving oneself, or exploring your personas and shadows). While LE SSERAFIM current concept is about being confident in yourself and your path depsite imperfections and bravely embracing your flaws and becoming stronger by it. Most kpop groups' discography don't really connect cohesively in terms of meaning which is totally fine but given how Bang Pd is closely involving in music production of LE SSERAFIM too, I wouldn't be surprised if they plan on taking this route. SORRY FOR THE LONG COMMENT I DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO BE SO LONG T.T
People had very high expectations because they are one of the biggest gg right now, that if there’s an ounce of element they don’t like about the comeback, they will latch on to it and emphasize the shit out of it. 😂
It’s a good comeback, and will definitely add the songs to my playlists.
I feel like 4th gen ggs are in so much pressure right now because of the high competition and the constant change in the general public's taste and opinions. Just one "bad" title track or just a song that doesn't match an audience taste and they will make it like the gg is now flop and will never rise again 💀
yea i think its really difficult to match expectations after they released SUUUCH a well received song. I like antifragile, but I realllly didn't like it when it first came out. I'm generally not one for super loud/busy songs.
I honestly feel like unforgiven could have been my fave out of all three but ... the chorus... is just really not my style. I have the same thoughts as the vid mentioned: it felt like a chorus you would do at the very end to keep ppl on their toes, but they needed something meatier in the middle. (it does seem polarizing, ppl either love or hate the chorus lol)
I will say, the instrumentals are ....amazing. I really love the piece Nile Rodgers created.
@@moonies321 And the thing is that the title track is not even bad.
@@moonies321 they do, kpop fans are so mean, actual bullies. They just can’t wait to catch these girls ‘slipping’ and they’re on their neck. I also disliked the song and I’m not a huge LeSse fan, more of a casual listener, but I cannot understand the mentality of trying to trash a group over a song.
no they're not they can't even get to the top IVE got PAK and BP while your fave is nowhere 😂
No one said the 2023 versions were remixes. The idea of this album is to compile the songs related to lesserafim's lore and story to make the end of the trilogy which is Unforgiven work. That's the reason why antifragile, the hydra and impurities are there. But to make this work they are required to remove her voice from the fearless tracks included here cause it's lawsuit time for hybe if they added her voice. She's not part of the company, the company cannot profit off of her voice for this release (again). Now if they really want to shade her they should've rerecorded everything but no right? The Fearless EP is still there, her contents from when she was still part of the group and the company are all still there. And to say that no groups rerecord their songs after a member leave well I'll give you one, it's Stray Kids I'm a fan of this group and they released albums full of their old songs without woojin in it. For Nmixx they removed Jinni's photos on Instagram when she left.
Factsss
This !!! 🌟
I don’t like how there’s old songs on it but I do love unforgiven
You absolutely right. Even YG's WINNER re-recorded some of their earlier title tracks that included their former member Taehyun + added it to their "Remember" album.
and I think it's because they have performed these new versions so much in festivals and award shows, it only makes sense to release the version they're gonna sing for years on music platforms
Even though it’s overshadowed by Antifragile, I really do enjoy the song. I’ve been singing the chorus all day 😅
If we say that Antifragile is an exceptional song (it is), it doesn’t make sense to expect every song to be exceptional. It’s science or something 😂
@@edvaedan9161 sweetie there's this thing called "consistency" and "setting a high bar"... That's what good artists do. Learn to comprehend before commenting nonsense. Shush
@@StreamHypeBoyByNewJeans ok sensai, name the group with more than 10 songs and all of them are exceptional. I’ll wait.
@@edvaedan9161ive.
@@enanano excellent choice. I won’t say every song is exceptional but I am on record saying their album will go down as one of the best in kpop history.
The song actually got spoiled a lot so it ruined the excitement for comebacks but they actually slayed unforgiven and it showed their confidence so it is bop fr
The slayed it and that’s on periodt I actually love the song
Fr i too feel they spoiled the song too much to the point I personally cud not enjoy it when it was released.
This song sounds like something you would play in a convertible (or not) in highspeed. I totally agree with the styling and the sets being too similar to antifragile. Honestly I kinda (feared) and expected this cb to be like this after they released the mv teaser with the chorus. It's not a bad song and not not something to hate upon, just something not for everyone and could be a grower. I definietely appreciate how they joined forces with a decorated musicain like Nile Rogers (from a different background) and came up with a K-pop track. Overall, kinda anticlimactic considering how the teaser photos made it look like it was gonna be dark and mysterious and prolly have a storyline but that once again was foreshadowed to be wrong 'cause of the mv teaser.
Also, yes, this song does not need to be antifragile, antifragile stans, you lose!
I mean it does have a storyline from what I read.
In Fearless they represent the "seraphim" concept, which is an angel with 6 wings, symbol of perfection. Then, on Antifragile, the angel loses one of it's wings, and, since it is no longer perfect, it gets exiled from the heavens, and has to learn to live amongst humanity. Then, in Unforgiven, it is no longer an angel, and the scene where Kazuha tears appart the wing represents the total separation from the
"fallen angel" concept.
What this implies is that the "seraphim" storyline has finished, and next comeback will be something completely new.
Got the storyline from this person.
youtube.com/@tyago9123
Honeslty when Antifragile was released many people also have mixed feelings too they say that it has very repetitve chorus even though kpop is known 4 that, they say they dont like the reggaeton and its boring but after few weeks everyone is vibing & loving it.😂
riigghhtt I remember this also.. 😅
so in regards to fearless ep song remake: I think, legally, they're probably no longer allowed to use Garam's voice for any new content/releases, and therefore would not have been able to include those songs on the album had they not re-recorded. In all liklihood, the plan from the beginning was to release 2 eps and then a third 'full' album with songs from the EP and some new tracks (as you mentioned, they're not the first to do this; notably, BTS does this, so it's not surprising since Bang PD + bighit producers are closely involved with the group.) Inability to include songs from the fearless EP would have ruined that.
So I don't think they're intentionally trying to 'scrub' anything. I think the fairer question to ask would be: why did they not change their plans and release another EP instead? I can understand, logistically, it probably made sense to go forward with their initial plans, but, surely, they must have expected to receive some backlash, so it would have been worth reconsidering at least.... (but then again they clearly didn't do any user testing for the album art, so..)
I say this specifically because the last thing we need is people bringing that poor girl back into this mess again and hating on sserafim for something they literally have no control over
for the most part, though, I agree re: the way it was marketed as a full length album. I don't think there was any reason for it. And as you mentioned, BTS following this strategy (literally for the majority of their career) was more palatable because their EPs were longer and they generally put out more music.
This could definitely be the case, but why would they even remake the songs than or use them? Feels like they are making it MORE difficult for themselves.
@@Taejiu i feel like they had to remake it anyway for backing tracks. My guess is that these versions have been existing since Garam went on hiatus/was kicked out.
@@Taejiu yea I def feel like they either didn't consider or just didn't care about the potential backlash. I think this could have been solved by making all of the songs they included remixes or something and just snuck in the 5 member version vocals, but idk how much time would have needed to go into that.
I enjoy this comeback. Antifragile is still my number one title track but I still enjoy Unforgiven very much, i feel like Antifragile was so fresh and good that people expected something better, which is realistically hard. Unforgiven is not bad at all, it is a solid quality title track. I definitely agree that Antifragile>Unforgiven>Fearless. I actually really like the chorus, it is so fun. I also don't understand why they include some old songs in it, i thought they would remix it but they basically just the same old but 5 members ver. Eve, Psyche and the Bluebeard's Wife is my fav bside and the performance, choreography of it is sooooo good, definitely the next Blue Flame, Impurities for me. Burn the Bridge is also good as well, Fire in the belly surprised me in a good way, definitely a jam, i love Yunjin's vocal in this. LE SSERAFIM never disappoints in terms of choreographies and performances. Their performances always give me so much energy and so fun to watch.
As my new saying goes “hope for the best expect the worst” sometimes you yourself disappoint yourself because we set such high “expectations”. Just hope for a good fun comeback and you’ll be pleasantly surprised 💯🙏🏽😊
Idk why but most of the time, after a kpop group releases a very successful comeback, most kpop groups will release fancy comebacks or something surprising. They end up being decent or good and can’t go up any higher in my opinion.
Yea I'm gonna try not to set too high of a standard just gonna keep the balance
I agree completely; the Antifragile EP singlehandedly made Le Sserafim my favorite 4th gen group (Impurities was top 2 kpop song of 2022 to me). When I first heard Unforgiven I was underwhelmed, especially cuz Burn The Bridge hyped me up so much. Upon further listens though, this comeback is quite good, good enough that I'm satisfied and excited for what comes next
I feel exactly the same as u. Antifragile ep made me Stan the group cuz impurities, good parts, and no celestial were THAT GOOD. And I was also obsessed with burn the bridge
I TOTALLY agree. The ive full length all new songs definitely soured this release
I personally love most of the album. I spent like the week before the release reminding myself that this is not Antifragile. By doing this I didn't really lower my expectations I just made them realistic. Antifragile as of now is their Magnum Opus. To put an example I will take Ive and Love Dive, Love Dive and Antifragile where amazing, 2022 Soty material, after that Ive released After Like which wasn't as good as Love Dive but it was still an amazing song, same with Le Sserafim, Unforgiven is not Antifragile and people need to see that, then they might actually enjoy it. About the 6 older songs I am dissapointed, even a somewhat different chorus or a different something would have been acceptable. In conclusion Unforgiven is not Antifragile, Source should made actual remixes of 2022 songs and if they were not going to do that (which isn't necesarily a bad thing) they should have at least included 1 or 2 more bsides. Anyway fimmies and Nile slayed and all these thing aren't in their control, they did the best with what was given to them.
The re-recording is a step in the right direction. The only difference between (G)-Idle and Le Sserafim is Soojin had a lot of comebacks with them so I think it would be easier to re-record just 1 era of Le Sserafim. In a way, this kinda also represents "Burn the Bridge" and being "Unforgiven". Nothing against Garam, but i like the commitement to the theme or concept if this was intetional.
Also, Cube isn't re-releasing their discography in any way, so it really isn't necessary.
I believe gidle re-record their song (for ot5 version) at least those they perform in concerts, they just didn’t release it.
(G)I-DLE probably have to beg Cube on their hands and knees to even let them in a studio to record a comeback lmao. But yeah i think the members wouldn't even want to re-record past releases in an attempt to erase Soojin. Idk it just seems unlike them.
@@baronbvnny yeah with all their attempt to include Soojin in any way since Tomboy, I won’t say they attempt to erase her. I am actually very interested in how is the legality of reusing past member(s) material, because technically, the songs are owned by Cube, right? Like how SM has been remastering their older discography (I.e. SNSD, f(x) whose all members are no longer under SM). So I get the impression that company has the right to do whatever the heck they want with the material including reusing it for commercial purpose. It is just for gidle, my thinking is for practicality purpose (I.e. concert), they had to re-record as ot5. Not to sure about Hybe’s decision to re-record 2023 version and including it in this album though.
I'm not mad at the comeback. I'm more confused at the choices the company made (because we know they make all final decisions for the group). Looking past the visuals of the artist and the MV (as we all know, they are SERVING every time anyways), the entire plan for the era is just not as cohesive as I expected for Le Sserafim and Hybe at this point. I felt like I was wanting more from the story-telling aspect of the era. If the company wanted the group to have some form of lore or an anthology (hence them including bits of Fearless and Anti-fragile into the "full album"), it does not translate well enough that the fans will be able to instantly understand the intention of the company for the brand of Le Sserafim as a group. Unforgiven era feels very much all over the place, imo.
Ya I also feel the mv lack something just my personal opinion it's missing the individual charm which every members brings together to make a powerful gg
It's just my personal opinion but i think that they had a storyline planned out initially during their debut with Garam (lesserafim=6 wings, also Garam appearing in enhypen's mv) something like that but since Garam left the group,they had to scrap that lore and remake something which will fit the now 5 members
my main issue with the tt is that it IS antifragile. the styling, lighting, effects and mv are literally a continuation . the song is like antifragiles slightly less sucsessful younger sister and this release being a 'fake' full album with a bad visual design for the photobooks doesnt leave room for forgiveness as to why this isnt a new fresh thing from them. I gotta say the bsides are absolutley incredible though
Less successful?? Girl, unforgiven got way more likes than antifragile in the same release period, and the album broke sales records, so...
@@Gabb2912 because antifragile was the song that put them on the map for the general public, causing people to be hyped for their next comeback. We still have to wait to see if unforgiven will have as much longevity as antifragile, which is something I personally doubt
@@sarabeatriz5569 I didn't ask what song put them on the map for the general public, I just said unforgiven was no less successful. For a successful comeback, it's not just the MV and title that count
Personally I loved the whole album. Like I do agree that it was weird with the older songs to be in the album, and Unforgiven does have the same feeling to Antifragile but at the same time theyre different. The side tracks definitely are “better” than Unforgiven, but like you said its not a “bad” album. It may be that Im still relatively new to the kpop group scene, that makes me not dislike everything so I enjoy hearing the “negative” things about it. Like I stood up until 4am to listen to the album and only thought of “le sserafim’s dropping new music lets go!!” so I didnt have any “expectations” of comparing or judging the songs. Just love to jam/chill to music
Nope, actually there’s is a precedent for groups to re-realease songs without ex-members. Stray Kids have released tracks without Woojin and have scrubbed him from their history even though he was in the group much longer. That’s a slap in the face. Not this.
Please explain why it’s an issue when Le Sserafim omits ex-members but crickets and even encouraged when Stray Kids does it even though Woojin was in the group for much longer. And no, Woojin did nothing wrong. I get it, you bonded with Garam but that’s no excuse to attack the group.
i was gonna comment on this hahah. skz is literally made 2 compilation albums of remakes of 95% of their older discography. so i dont see the problem of releasing remakes. oh i forgot to add, him saying no groups do remakes is a huge oversight on his end. most prolly bc he focuses on ggs more
i think the problem with lsf is putting remakes in a studio album, especially when it's their first. tbh i rather have unforgiven as an EP then make a 2023 ver album for fearless
Straykids are the sole writers/producers of their song which is credited to them,thats why it's totally understandable to redo all thing so they will have sole credit of their discography and they have released it as compilation and digitally so it's different.And most company don't waste extra money to producers to rerecorded it's a given fact in general.I don't like the idea of remake in Studio album though like whats the point of a full album when it's gonna be all filler
It's logical to remake the songs so that they can perform them differently. We also don't know if Woojin refused to have his voice used if he doesn't want association with the group. I don't think it's wrong for LS to rerecord replacing Garam. We don't know the reason, so no need to attack anyone. At least Garam was only in a few songs so they can now continue the rest of their careers and performances as 5
Obviously it’s a compilation album and if they wanted to release a compilation album they definitely 100% needed to re-record the tracks since woojin isn’t there anymore. I don’t think the problem that people had with le sserafim was that they’re re-recorded and removed Garams voice more like they feel like they could have gotten new tracks instead of re-recording.
So they’re not the same
Agree w you ab how great the live performances have been!! I think my biggest prob w unforgiven is not that it isn’t Antifragile but that it’s just Antifragile again- I want to see them grow and change as a group and even tho unforg and antifrag don’t sound similar they feel rly similar. I think this comeback is just a little underwhelming given all the hype- However it’ll prob grow on everyone w time like u said!! great vid
I think the main reason everyone is hating the album and saying it’s underwhelming is bc their company (AS WELL AS THOSE OLD UNCLE TV SHOW) spoiled WAAAAYY too much. Would’ve been better to just wait a few days. I blame it on the uncle show and not have since the uncle show literally showed half the song and choreo. However I was still impressed w the last half of unforgiven
I liked this cb a lot but I agree it is flawed in a lot of ways- not badly flawed but more like a dozen small cracks. On one hand- all of le sserafims title tracks have had to grow on me so I think Unforgiven will do so as well. I actually like it a lot- it’s very catchy and the spaghetti western sounds are so fun in a Kpop song. I think a lot of people had the experience with antifragile of ‘love at first play’ so they’re a bit disappointed and harsh on Unforgiven.
I do think that the song lacks impact. I had this same issue with another recent Hybe labels release- super from seventeen. I wanted it to go full on pedal to the floor and it stayed a bit too mellow for me as opposed to something like Hit. With Unforgiven it never crescendos the way I want it to and the way the styling and the whole vibe of the cb promises it will. It stays a bit too cute and polished. I do sort of hope that now that we are getting away from the pre-planned trilogy from debut- we may get some more spontaneity and risk-taking from this group.
My other issues I have with this cb are a bit nit-picky- like I don’t understand the styling for Unforgiven being so similar to Antifragile when cowboy aesthetics are so popular in Kpop. Like groups are wearing cowboy hats for no reason- why are you wearing jeans in the finale of your song?
Also there’s a bizarre scene in the finale cuts where they are all wearing different colored wigs. It must be something they filmed more scenes of and didn’t use- but for some reason they used like a single second of all the girls in different colored bob wigs and it rattled me a bit because it was so out of place.
I don’t get why they padded the runtime of the album with the antifragile songs. I mean at least with the remakes I do understand they redid the songs without a member who left. I don’t know if I agree with the decision but I do see why the decision was made. But no decision good or bad was made with the antifragile songs- they’re just here for some reason.
Don’t get me wrong- I do like this cb. The only reason I am so nit-picky is that I think these tiny flaws in the cb are noticeable when your group has all the major parts working. When you get the big stuff sorted out- that’s when you can start focusing on the details. In general le sserafim have the big things figured out- concept, sound, members, performance, charm- they’ve got all that in spades. I think when they iron out some of these little things in future comebacks they’ll be even more unstoppable.
The way our takes are the same! Love your channel man.
It's not that of a big deal actually. I mean, BTS or blackpink didn't reach on the top with perfect albums. Their fandoms grew bcuz of the music they kept bringing, so we don't have to worry about this album either. Music is different for everyone. We cannot have same tastes and that's fine. And yes the hype made was over the top and I agree some people might got a bit upset after it finally released. But believe me, u and I would never know the story behind the scenes so it's kinda unfair to even make assumptions at that point.
I think the greatest part about HYBE is, that they never let their artists join the race of conservative kpop i.e. make the same a** music that is going trending these days. Musicality is what HYBE is know for and they never let that go despite any number of hate they get.
So basically, this album was how I imagined it to be but maybe there were people who r not hardcore fans of le sserafim so they couldn't discern the comeback meticulously. But it's fine.
Fearnot is a fan song. And Younjin, a massive fan of Tayler Swift, was heavily involved in creating the song, including producing. And about the album's lack of cohesion, yes I agree with that, but I don't know how many cohesive albums have come out of the KPOP idol industry so far. I too wish there were more new songs. For negative reactions, I think there are two parts to the story. Some people were genuinely disappointed because they liked Anti more, and some people blindly hating on it because Le Sserafim is one of the main rival girl groups to their favorite girl group. Just like two fan bases from two different sports teams shitting on opposite teams. Overall I like the new songs.
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Its definitely the second reason for people's hate
Real I can’t really think of a cohesive album in kpop. Especially considering concept albums are so popular. At this point you just gotta criticize the whole industry when it comes to that.
Kpop doesn't see albums as works of art. It's just random songs slapped together to sell a product. I think that's paradoxically why kpop insist so much on overusing the world "concept", because they lack substance but try to pretend like they do. A true concept for an album is something like Lemonade or After hours, that's why Bey and Abel don't even need to use that word to describe their work cause it goes without saying. Kpop on the other hand has to slap it onto everything to give you the illusion that it's deep and well thoughtout when it's not, because there is simply not enough time in between releases to make a true cohesive album.
@@KookiesNolly Yeah I agree with you. But I think whole music industry is having same problem since the streaming platform and tiktok took over. I do not think the problem you pointed out is isolated problem of kpop idol music
to me Lesserafims best song is Fearless. I like other songs, but Fearless is a track which I listen to already a year❤️🔥
agree with this!
@@bangtonic6544 it's true
My biggest gripe with Unforgiven as a song, I think, is the verses. I really like the pre-chorus and chorus, I think they're super catchy, but the verses feel like the producers and lyricists didn't know what to put in-between choruses so they just had the girls repeat the word "unforgiven" a bunch of times and called it a day. As for the MV, it feels weirdly disconnected, like they tried to do a whole storyline with lore and stuff, but we only get to see each scene once or twice for a couple of seconds and then never again, and none of them seem to have any kind of connection to each other. It comes off as just a bunch of random shots of the girls looking cool af, while simultaneously trying to tell us a story that is just not translating. It's a good comeback, I'll definitely be bopping to it in the weeks to come, but it had the potential to be so much better imo.
The exclusion of Sour Grapes is especially concerning because fans immediately labeled it Garam's song at debut. OT5 remixes would have been amazing. Garam-less tracks just highlight the absence of her vocal tone and remind me of the potential OT6 Le Sserafim could have been... just when I was starting to get over it. It sonically feels like picking at a scab. Source Music needs to let us heal.
Alot of shots in the unforgiven MV could totally be put in Antifragile and it would fit. And it does sound similar to antifragile okay, u can't just say the instrumentals are different bla bla etc when most people do feel the similar vibes 😭 (I guess the similar MV shots also adds to it)
I agree overall with your take on the title track. I did not expect the girls to try and outdo Antifragile either, in general I don’t have that kind of mentality with the artists I listen to because I know how ridiculous those kind of expectations are and quite frankly, very unfair. However, I also did not expect myself to actually dislike the song so much either. It’s very underwhelming for me, I actually liked Fearless therefore I would place this one as my least ‘favorite’ title track from them. I think for me too, the biggest problem with the song is the chorus, I usually don’t mind when a song uses repetition, however, in this case I do feel like it’s being overdone, and although somewhat catchy, it becomes annoying towards the end. I wish they were more inspired, and maybe did something else for the final chorus or something. I think they were so focused on trying to make the song as catchy as possible by using the repetition technique, from the word unforgiven, certain phrases and even the sample in the background, that they didn’t realize how forced it was starting to become. My favorite part is the prechorus, I LOVE songs that are very melodic, and I wish they did that more throughout the song. As for the video, I actually enjoyed it. Yes I understand some of the ‘complaints’ people have however, I personally enjoyed the styling and sets, it made sense to me since this was supposed to be a continuation to Antifragile. My opinion is that the song will probably grow on some people, however, I don’t see it having the same kind of longevity as their previous songs because it is so underwhelming. As for the album, I liked ‘Eve..’, now something like THAT should have been the title track IMO.
I agree, I didn't put too much expectation when I first heard the teaser but apparently for me, that teaser just summarized the whole song. As much as I like Le Sserafim's discography, I couldn't finish the song on the second listen due to how repetitive it becomes. Personally, my favourite from the album are Eve, Psyche and the Bluebeard's Wife and Fire in the Belly and it feels like a better choice for title track but it may becomes too 'similar' to Antifragile.
Well, it's not an artist if they didn't have a mediocre or disappointed release so it's not a big of a deal
I'm so glad to hear another person say they feel like Unforgiven is missing something, I genuinely thought I was going crazy trying to figure out what about it wasn't hitting with me.
I honestly felt bad for not liking this album as I thought I was going to; I got so hyped for it that I felt like I *had* to like the new b-sides. I don't hate anything on this album, all of the songs are good, they just don't really do anything for me personally and that's okay.
For me, I just think this album is gonna help people appreciate their future comebacks. There were a lot of good things going on in this album, I think they can do better and I think they *will* do better, yknow?
I disagree with you about the of “unforgiven” part of the chorus cause when I first listened to it I was like okay this just an okay song but as I was going throughout my day at work the chorus kept coming back to me and I unexpectedly started singing the chorus and I was like WHAT?!? Do I actually like this song? 😮 and so I went and listened back to it and I couldn’t stop listening to it. I personally love this album.
I agree with everything else said here, people just don't let kpop groups have just an "okay" comeback it's either groundbreaking or it's trash and it's such a weird way to view music to me as someone who genuinely loves music. Very little groups can drop SOTY type of title tracks every comeback nor can they meet every single person's expectation, I wish people gave groups more grace when it comes to things like this especially rookie groups that barely have a footing yet, it's almost like you start to get passes on releasing "bad" music once you're a senior and incredibly popular which feels very backwards if anything.
I'm definitely not obsessed with unforgiven like I was antifragile but it''s fine and I really didn't like the 2nd half of the chorus when I first listened but now it's definitely grown and it's just a standard good song to listen to sometimes. I do think the pauses in the mv along with how much was spoiled prior really did dampen it though, it took me listening to it with the rest of the album to settle with me. As for the bsides though I absolutely love all of them, even fearnot is pretty although it's not my type of listen. No Return I wasn't sure about but now it's almost my favorite song. and the rest i loved immediately. I looked at a lot of reactions to individual songs on twitter + how they're charting and people seem to be liking it from what I see so maybe it's your timeline or the tides have already changed a day later.
there is a lot i disagree with on this video. i think what bothers me is that a lot of people miss the conceptual through line / narrative that le sserafim presents with this alblum. FEAR-less, ANTI-fragile, UN-forgiven. there is so much more to this than the amount of music being put out. our girls aren't machines. quality over quantity always!
Most people don't give a crap about lore tho. And don't like that old songs are added into a "full" album. They should just call it another mini album or smth
@@xsomili5501 I’m not talking about lore here! I’m talking about the concepts of the songs (lyricism that accompany the sonic and visual elements) which all connect to represent who le sserafim is and what they’re trying to say as a group. i feel like it’s super value-adding to zoom out and appreciate it from this perspective rather than just counting off how many songs are old and new! like what sakura said, listening to the album in order and in its entirety is an experience 😊 just wanted to voice this out!
@@bangtonic6544 I see. Personally I don't understand Korean so I miss it all 🫠 but I agree they don't need quantity over quality. But please, don't go to bp levels of "quantity"
Unforgiven is definitely a grower, at first i was not feeling it, but i like more now that i listened to it a bit more.
My ranking of the new songs:
1. Eve, psyche and the bluebeards wife
2. Fire in the belly
3. Burn the bridge
4. Unforgiven
5. Flash forward
6. No return
7. Fearnot
Update: swapped bluebeards wife and fire in the belly
for my money they slayed this comeback, the whole album is full of summer bangers. loving how they did this album.
also I'm happy to her a remake of Fearless because the line distributions are better with the current members, it's like how they perform these songs at live shows.
same!!! the album makes me so happy 😊
this album to me is a repackage along the lines of the reve festival finale rather than a proper full album and I believe it was always planned to be this way. they teased antifragile at the end of fearless and unforgiven at the end of antifragile, I believe this album is meant to be the “finale” of their “negatives” trilogy (I know there’s a proper word for the -less, anti-, and un- usages but I can’t think of it). now with that in mind I do agree that the ot5 versions of the fearless songs is very shitty towards garam because regardless of how true her scandal is or isn’t it’s messy and disrespectful to put her through all of that just to erase her entire existence after only 2 weeks of activity. HOWEVER, if the plan from the beginning was to combine pieces of the other albums into this one then ot5 versions are the only option here since hybe and source would have to deal with a lot of extra legal work to be allowed to include the original ot6 versions with garam on them. it’s much easier and more cost effective for them to re-record her parts for the release. I do still believe it’s a shitty thing to do and garam was severely screwed over but from a business, legal, and financial standpoint I completely understand why they did it.
This isn't a point I'm making, it's just something I'm noting, but Stray Kids did rerecord their entire discography without Woojin after he left (got kicked out? it's unclear) and that was dozens of songs. Because I was familiar with that, when I saw the 2023 ver of the Fearless songs, I assumed they just rerecorded the songs without Garam. Why would Hybe feel the need to do that? No clue. This situation was/is completely different from the Woojin situation, with what happened with Woojin the public just has no clue what happened so it's pretty nuanced. With Garam, it's clear that Hybe fucked up which just makes it all confusing. Was I surprised? No, I was actually expecting it. Was I confused at the point? Yes.
It is clear Woojin felt for personal reasons, just like Jinni (now Jini) of NMIXX (it isn't that serious and even Jini is going solo too, like Woojin, the issue is Jini has more people who support her and Woojin has more people who hate him).
It still bothers me why they didn't make all OT5 versions of the Fearless Album, but only three songs. It just feels dumb because the company didn't fully commit. Stray Kids did, and they had a good amount of music with Woojin before he left Stray Kids, so why and what is the point.. is the big question indeed.
@@justdb4 I feel like they only did 3 songs bc they probably didn’t have the time to do more (between shoots, award show season, recording, content etc) and bc Fearless and Blue flame are songs they perform more than the others now. For the intro idk honestly
I agree. I think they’re only performing those three songs in their tour so they had to republish again so they can sing to their own voices with their own lines. May also be for legal purposes too.
@@justdb4 And Straykids mostly did it for owning all credits for their discography as they're self produced but I don't think it's a need for other group
It’s hard to believe that there are some people that don’t seem to grasp the concept of Lesserafim at this point. The New Album is a Chronology of their Journey. The intro of each era as well as the most recognized songs of each era. Bringing us to where we are now and there is no going back hence “Burn the bridge” at least that’s the way I perceive and understand it to be. They’re moving forward… People need to just enjoy their talents and vision. Each of their first Eras had 5 tracks, if you exclude those from the Unforgiven ep there are 7 new tracks and they’re good! So Enjoy!!! There’s something for everyone!
I think its a good album honestly, Unforgiven is good in my books, even if it isn’t better than antifragile, because not every song has to out-do the other. And the b-sides are good too, some a little less than the others, but overall I think this was a nice addition to their discography (if we put aside the 6 old songs)
Thank you for making content with your real voice
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To the people that keep mentioning SKZ it’s definitely a different situation that’s a compilation album it’s not a full studio album so it makes sense that they would re-recorded the songs because a member isn’t there anymore. Even EXO recently re-recorded their single Bird Because they only had 6 members on the original and now 8 members on the re-recorded track. But Both these are different situations.
The problem most people had with the re-recording of songs from their previous ep is they were not necessary… (at least from some fan’s view) I mean the question is instead of re-recording old songs what stopped Source music from adding new tracks
And probably releasing a REPACKAGED ALBUM with re-recorded tracks after (which is basically what this album seems like) after.
I’m an EXO fan and EXO have so many REPACKAGE albums so I literally have no problem with old songs on an album
the problem some fans have is that the album was promoted as a full studio album when it’s definitely a Repackaged album.
Almost all K-pop groups have old songs on their album.
What makes SECTOR 17 a repackaged album and UNFORGIVEN a full album? Nothing they’re the same
Putting older songs on an album should automatically make it a repackaged album, whatever their reasoning is.
Fearless, Antifragile and Unforgiven are all interconnected and represent three parts of a larger story and message. They make up a trilogy, and if you watch the Antifragile music video, you can see a reference to Unforgiven after MV was over "Do you want to be forgiven?". The girls worked hard not to reveal too much about their next title song, "Unforgiven", as it was part of their plan all along.
Part of me wondered why Fearless and Antifragile were included on the album at 1st place, and I wished they had included more new songs instead 4 sure. However, it is natural to include all three parts of the trilogy on the same album. Perhaps it was more than just laziness that led to their inclusion. While some people may dislike this approach, labeling it only as the result of laziness seems a bit too harsh to me.
When Metallica released the Black album, some people, actually tons of people, loved it but some people absolutely hated it because it was not Battery or Master of Puppets.
If people do not like Unforgiven because it is not Antifragile, they need to deal with it.
And if Unforgiven was more dirty and ashy, people would hate the song because of it.
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8:48 EXACTLY. Just release this album as 6 new tracks +1 intro please, that wouldn't be as infuriating as having to see the (2023 versions) being shoved in my face everytime I click in
I don't mind the 2023 ver it makes sense for them to want their central tracks to be what the group is now, But it would've been better if the tracks were in a different order.
Only now have I finished watching your video, so I want to say I'm agree with you on basically every your point.
It's good comeback, if Antifragile was 10/10, this was 8/10. I'm definitely gonna listen at least 3 songs: Unforgiven; Eve, Psyche; Fire in the Belly. It's just if it was EP, it would be much more appreciated.
Also, what Unforgiven lacks, I can tell you. The pre-chorus builds up to something really massive, it's a crazy build up actually, I was all pumped up expecting crazy chorus. And chorus just wasn't crazy. Even if you leave this chorus, but make a build-up less intense, you would much more.
Another thing is their album art. I get what people say about it, but personally I really like it. First, at least here they have steady concept with it being white and minimalistic. Second, it's not muddy, it's burned. So it fits the concept of the title track really good. In the end, it's not the cover what makes album great. It's a great album, that makes album cover legendary.
Like, take Nirvana's swimming baby, I wasn't born ofc when it was released, but I don't see this cover as something extraordinary. But because the album itself became legendary, the cover also became such.
Tho you have to release legendary album for it to happen.
Overall, I like the album, but I don't see it being rising Le Sserafim to new heights, like Antifragile did, or like IVE's album did to IVE.
And about all shady things with Garam etc. I can let it pass, personally, it's just there's simple rule, which I don't know why they're disregarding. If you choose between something being controversial and trying to make it not controversial, ALWAYS pick the second. Why would you do anything controversial at all? It's not like you couldn't predict it's gonna be controversial. That, and their 6 out 13 songs being old, is really really lazy, and I really don't like it.
Also, it may not be important for many, but for me, again. Every their performance, WHY DON'T they sing live? They CAN do it, why don't they? Look at IVE, who would've expected THEM out of all to sing live, but they do, and they do great! And that's one of the contributors to their's album success. Why don't Le Sserafim do it?
yeah antifragile set very high expectations for their next comeback. i hope their tt does grow on me, but currently it's just. alright. weirdly enough it sounds more repetitive to me than both antifragile and fearless.
their b-sides are good as always, and my favorite new song from the album is fire in the belly, probably because of how different it sounds compared to the other tracks on it.
banger video, as always ^^
I share the same sentiment about it being not what I expected but I'm not sure if our line of thinking match haha
all other things aside, nile rodgers absolutely KILLED it on unforgiven. He added so much funk to the western beat.
I dont like to compare one album to another because truthfully its so easy to get caught up in the past. I enjoy the visual teasers they have released and it made me superrr hype. They got 1 mil sales first day which I think they must be doing something right based off of that alone lol.
Honestly I still feel bad about Garam and I think I will never not feel bad, we have to move on but re-releasing a whole album without her is kinda shady if they did it to please some ppl, if they did it because it was requested by her parents/guardian I understand but let’s not make assumptions. Personally, I think is more about legal stuff so is more complicated and I don’t want to go to that party.
Now onto the album, is not bad but is not good, beating Antifragile will be hard, Unforgiven grew on me after 2 or 3 listens (that doesn’t mean is a bad song), my faves are the Bluebeard song (long a$$ title I never remember and I probably never will), Fire on the Belly (arriba mi gente latina, Marc Anthony, World Cup vibes, LOOOOVE IT) and No Return is cute love the choreo, I feel ppl who say those songs are so bad in their opinion just hate fun, I thought ppl wanted fun but oh well, for tastes, colors. Fearnot is cute and Flash Forward is relaxing and pretty, 8/10 imo.
All the hate is getting? Forced, not liking it is one thing but straight out hating it is too much, the design? As a designer myself I’m offended, burning paper turns brown, that’s true, but the distribution and the way the stains were made is… questionable…, MV is pretty, outfits are ok but there’s more than denim 🙂🙂🙂🙂 please 🙂🙂🙂🙂
That concludes my essay, if you read all this thank you, is long af I’m sorry 😣
I think people had higher expectation cuz they are LE SSERAFIM (one of the biggest newer ggs) and also because IVE released a full album that was pretty good too for a rookie group.
The Album wasn't bad.. It just didn't meet people's expectation.
Also putting previous songs and stuff made the album look messy (to me). It would have been a great mini if they released only the new tracks and maybe the EVE song as the title track or something else as the title track
Nah, unforgiven is the perfect song for the title, eve has nothing to do with a title, it's VERY repetitive (much more than Unforgiven), the structure doesn't match and the overall concept of the song doesn't either
Imagine if they make a full version with vocal and stuff for The world is my oyster and The Hydra
I think it's a song that grows on you, and honestly the choreo DID NOT disappoint
I think the main reason people don't like this song compared to Anti-fragile, it's not because Unforgiven is not Anti-fragile, (I mean duh) but because it kinda tries to be, maybe not in a musical way, but the whole thing. From an outside perspective like mine, since I don't actually like either of the songs, it seems to me Anti-fragile at least brought something different and "new", I was interested even if I didn't like it, where Unforgiven it just falls in the "same but not" category, trying to recreate what AF did. I almost stopped listening after the second pre-chorus because I got bored.
No hate to the girls whatsoever, I live in hope their next title track follows the same music style as The Great Mermaid, since I love that.
I wish they did 2023 ver of Sour Grapes and The Great Mermaid. Unforgiven itself was alright. I wish there was a high note to close the song like what Chaewon did in Antifragile. The song just ends and Im like ? oh thats it ? 🤷
But that high note in Antifragile was so weird, it didn't belong there in my opinion.
I think the spoken choruses (along with the pacing-definitely agree there!) in both Antifragile & Unforgiven are what might make them sound so similar to people!
I always give new albums at least a month before I decide if I like it or not. Can't wait to explore this one and see what I get from it. Great video as always!
Just to add to Eve, Psyche and the Bluebeard's wife - Psyche was indeed a goddess but before that - and that's what the song refers to - she was a human forbidden to look at her husband, Eros, but she was so curious she looked anyway when he was asleep. So that fits the "forbidden" narrative of the song.
Offtopic but I wish by some miracle they get Garam back. Both from a moral standpoint and business standpoint.
Garam worked so hard, is innocent and genuinely deserves to be in the group + an apology from the world. Hybe should have taken responsibility to protect the minor if they made her debut. They knew she was innocent - they should have put her on hiatus, not terminated her contract.
From a business standpoint - I feel like Garam was necessary for Le Serraffim. She has a really good vocal tone which is addictive to listen to... right now, I'm missing that in Le Serraffim and I feel like its leading to Yunjin and Chaewon heavy lifting more than they can handle in a way (if you get what I mean)... Garam was chill and sweet in the group and without her its a bit tiring listening to them.
Idc what anyone says, Garam was also a top tier visual. Had the scandal not happened - bet she would be at the very top right now. Le Serraffim do not have a strong visual member ( Kazuha is pretty but netizen mostly like her cause of her resemblance to suzy) and whether anyone likes to admit it or not - it will affect them in the future in an industry like kpop. They need Garam back. Le Serraffim feels like its missing something right now.
Agreed with all these points, especially vocally. Garam was really needed to balance yunjin and chaewon. Miss her voice a lot. The other members have their own flavor especially Kazuha, but not vocalist material
The comeback is good. Period.
Actually from what i’ve seen, most of the feedback has been positive. I seem to notice that lesserafim fans don’t hate on the girls for the stuff they put out, even if they don’t like it. You’ll see this with their name, fandom name, lightstick, outfits, concept, and even songs. They just enjoy the moment and the content. That’s why I love being a fearnot💖
I do really like Unforgiven. As first listen it was like a meh but once I listened to it on headphones and I enjoyed it very much. The taylor swift sound is litrally there in fearnot
Honestly i dont care that its not antifragile. I actually hoped for something completly different. But its just as you said. The chorus is just .... meh. Sounds like a last chorus, is kinda empty and they say unforgiven way to much. But i guess thats just life, i never liked every single comeback from a group. There got to be misses.
I see this release as a reflection how the kpop community has made these women feel. The album cover is not flashy or perfect because they don't feel that way. They feel beat up and bruised after being trashed since their debut, mostly for something they company did. Even this guy can't let it go and let them have a moment without that negativity again. They had drama before the comeback because people love to sabotage them. The album repeats the old music because they haven't been allowed to move on and were probably feeling like they never will be able to. They really are stuck on repeat with some people. Garam is there, then isn't there because it's what people just love to constantly bring up, including this video, even though they had nothing to do with it. All of that makes them who they are and they acknowledge it but still move forward at the same time doing things with the freedom the hate gives them. If they know some are going to complain no matter what, they don't really need to do be bothered with giving what they expected or want. Just my take on the album.
I agree with u. Unforgiven to me as a single is a downgrade from Antifragile. I'm been listening to since it's release and somehow I cannot get into it compare to antifragile with just a few listen to it. And for the album, calling this a Full Album feels like a scam (not hating on the girls love them) they should have call this a mini album, I hate when kpop companies do this practice, I can understand if it's a pre release song but a songs that has been released 6-8 months ago! Feels like a lazy job, they have to squeeze those old song so that they can call is a Full album.
OMG you are so correct. I had the same issues with Unforgiven the first few listens, but after hearing it a few more times, I find myself listening to it way more than Anti-fragile and Fearless. Instead of being a break down of individual flaws, the sum of all its parts has now become an enjoyable blend of beats and melodies. And I can't deny, I really liked the chorus from the start, the build up to a beat drop had me rockin out, and with that whistle sound really added that badass Old West feel to it. Plus the choreo that goes with it, cowboy hats off to that. Unforgiven I'm a villain!
In my opinion, Unforgiven is the last intros series of Lesserafim's...
The production took three song titles to introduce Lesserafim entirely. Fearless, Antifragile and Unforgiven is the characteristics of Lesserafim's that be would brought in the future.
People don't have to like it just like Fearless... What they want to show is important...
The 2023 version were put in the album might because it's for performance sake.
In the end they all Slayed! I just can't get enough Unforgiven... It's too short...
They had seven months and most albums in k pop are full-length, it is more nowadays that a lot more artists are adding old songs on their albums. Also, yes, it was promoted as a full ALBUM. The company said they would come back with a full album, which is a promotion
The song was a bit disappointing (not because I wanted another Antifragile) since I just expect more from the title track. The hook was cute, but it was too long and hollow. I usually like a hollow hook, and I could get into a long hook, if they go somewhere. But it was just so empty to me and I felt sad, because I wanted to like this song too. I don't know how to feel yet but I'll let you know later.
Rant: Also, this album makes me angry. The 6 old songs on here make no sense. 3 of them are there just to scrub Garam as if she never existed (f*** you Hybe). Notice they only did it with 3 of them and left out Sour Grapes (in which that song went viral because of Garam's vocals people would be pissed). They could have went a full Stray Kids and could have made all OT5 songs of all of their previous songs (or could have given us remixes), but nope. It's lazy and just will make people confused.
This album is giving Girls by AESPA and I hate it here. I really wanted to like this "Studio Album", but I am just upset, confused and pissed.
Also, Hybe (and especially you Source Music) if you are gonna promote this album as a "Studio Album" on Newsforums and all SNS then actually give us more newer music than old music and we would have forgiven, but you will be Unforgiven for your lies.
Lesserafim deserve better.
yeah but at least "girls" by aespa was just a mini album, as far as I know they never claimed it to be a full album. they were honest unlike hybe who wanted to resell group's content in disguise of a full album
@@unicornpeter5628 Fax
My personal thoughts-
Regarding the album-
Honestly either give me a minialbum or just give us remixes of the songs ur adding. Or sell it as a repackaged/whatever. Like, I don’t have an issue with repackaged albums bc that’s the point. But I’d rather be given remixes of anti fragile/fearless and the songs from said albums and call it a day. Album packaging- its ugly. I don’t want it, I won’t buy it. There ARE ways to get a burnt/ashy/dirty look without it being outright horrible.
Unforgiven-
I probably will not watch the music video again. I’m not into mv’s that make it hard to just listen to, it’s not ugly but I think I would def shoot it differently.
The song itself is just SO much better without the MV. Do I like it? Not really. I think the chorus is bland and it’s missing something to make it interesting. I agree with the sentiment of it underplaying in parts.
In summary, I wish it was just an EP or and EP + Remixes of different Fearless songs. I wouldn’t buy it, there’s no interest to me.
13:04 ahhh I haaaate wild west concepts I was SO EXCITED when I was their Bloody Rose concept photos, and then heard the intro melody. I was so convinced it was gonna be a melodic melodrama track 😭😭😭 I guess I shouldn't expect anything bc expectations always let u down 😂
I agree with what you said about everyone expecting it to be anti fragile but the reality is that it's a different concept and then moving on from that I don't know if many kpop fans have realized that most Le serafim leading singles are usually the type of songs that grows on you over time untill you become addicted eventually not just immediately but their besides are always amazing perhaps it's a strategy I don't know, for me personally I listened to it at first I thought it was just meh but now I seem to be dancing to it consistently I don't know how I got here, for me I feel like the instrumental of the song was too heavy which was why they decided to do minimum so as too keep the audience captivated to the storyline and not to feel overwhelmed by the vocals and all that, do we all remember when we first heard fearless and thought it was boring because it had little to no high note and it had a constant flow but over time we came to like it because the pace of the song went with the message which was confidence and that confidence isn't always loud or dramatic in in conclusion what I want to say is that not every song of the album have to have that omg factor if it did you would probably be overwhelmed by it, I agree on the fact that them trying to erase garam is painful but has anyone thought about what garam herself wants what if she also wants to forget that she was ever a part of lessarafim in other to heal from the pain she had to deal with in between, what if she complained and now they're trying to do so to help her and the girls move on in totality, about the denims for me personally I think they're nice for one reason I think it's a marketing strategy to make the girls look like they can be normal people and to have normal people relate to them like a normal person who has pain and wounds which is what the company has been trying to promote from the start of the group so denim for normalcy plus they look good in it, I agree they can switch styles but denim is good for them too, everyone keeps on forgetting that this girls are rookies we can't expect everything they put out to be perfect shall we all take a trip down the first second and third generations of kpop idols first albums, it wasn't always the best but as artists you are expected to make mistakes and try and then you're expected to grow over time with experience I saw alot of people giving enhypen hate last year for the last album not being up to their other albums and that made me laugh because they are literally rookies sadly most 4th generation kpop idols have to deal with this drama because apparently they're not expected to be anything less than perfect, if we can make mistakes with our jobs and school work from time to time who said they can not?, Who said we can not all fix things over time, perhaps we need to remind ourselves of this sometimes before we become so illogically critical sometimes...I'm not even a die hard fearnot but rather a casual listener but I just had to speak up about this pattern I've been noticing in the kpop fandom over the recent times
I feel like something's missing on Unforgiven, but I think it's because now they're going full girl crush?
I mean, I can feel that they mixed feminity and fierce in Fearless and Antifragile. Tbh, this is one of the reason why I like Lesserafim in the first place. It's giving me "you can be feminine but fierce at the same time." The fierce part at two previous mini album are not overdone.
But for Unforgiven, it feels like the feminine part is gone for the sake for the storyline (they're fallen angels causing disaster and having fun on earth now). It's still enjoyable, but it's missing something that Fearless and Antifragile had.
Also, are we suddenly forgot about the fashion show concept?
Unforgiven has become no. 1 song on SBS, MBC, and mnet in this week. And it is no.2 song on Melon top 100. Seems like doing very well.
I think the remakes make perfect sense. Whether people like it or not garam is gone and they will be performing these songs for the rest of their career, it's much easier for them to do so with the ones without her and maybe share it with fans officially (not to mention they clearly held back releasing a blue flame dance practice that a ton of people wanted until they could release the actual version they were dancing to) and in a few years from now they will have fans who weren't even around for the garam thing and what would be the reason they need to know about it really and just constantly have it brought up to remind the girls. They have to move on so yes they should re-record the songs, I don't really understand the push back with that. And the legality of it is an entirely other thing. I'd get if people were bitter about them removing the original songs because I personally prefer original blue flame but they didn't so it's just a way to remember their history but also move on from it. I also think the gidle comparison falls flat when soojin was in the group for years.. not a week ofc they wouldn't re-record bc she's a huge part of their history garam just wasn't there long enough. She's already been technically gotten rid of so re-recording songs doesn't do that... her getting kicked out did. I also thought it was lazy but apparently it's related to the lore so whatever. I just hope for a real full album in a year or so.
i don't care for the whole song BUT THE CHORUS SLAPS
I liked Unforgiven. Issue with repetitiveness? Yes, unforgiven was used 41 to 44 times (one instance was either once or 3 separate uses) , but @Taejiu didn't mention repetitiveness when Ive used kitsch 43 times. At least unforgiven is more commonly used than kitsch.
If anyone knows the movie Mean Girls, "Stop trying to make fetch (kitsch) happen."
I personally think repeating words are either liked or disliked. I thought kitsch’s repetition was okay. I did not really like fearless’s repetition and thought it was boring however I found myself used to the unforgiven repetition and idk why 😭
yea kitsch sucked too i love both groups but if half of your lyrics are the same word and the rest of them are the absolute most boring, cliche, uncreative shit then… tho at least the rest of kitsch was ok unforgiven is just criminal
I still haven't finished the vid but I would like to comment on the "It" factor that Taejiu said. I think it was because of the hype that, not just the era started when hybe announced that they're gonna have a full album (still kinda mad about the only 7 new tracks but kinda get it since they might also rerecorded the 3 2023ver. songs), but also the hype when burn the bridge drop and their venture onto having a lore, and the hype that Antifragile created for them. I think people expected a lot during this comeback and the cb did not really live up to the high (like legit high) expectations of people from them.
It was like how "Fake Love", LY:Tear, and Proof by BTS was also hyped so much that when the CB happened some people also felt "meh" and some even said that they like Blood, Sweat, and Tears more. I think it just didn't live up to the hype that it got. But I can see "Unforgiven" being enjoyed by people after the hype finally die down much like how "Fake Love" redeemed itself after the date of the CB happened.
It also didn't help that knowing bros. already released the 1st verse to chorus of the song. We basically heard and seen almost half of the song before we even got to enjoy listening and seeing it for the first time during the CB date. The "wow" factor dropped by a bit.
So yeah, that's it. I would just like to share my thoughts about it. Also, Taejiu, I'm a regular in your channel just wanna say that I really like your videos!!
I'd call it conventionally unconventional. For me, I don't really care much about lore even though I like groups with lore more than others, I just want good music. This album just hit right for me. Unforgiven feels like a sequel to antifragile . Antifragile is the main banger and unforgiven switches it up while keeping the core concept the same
As someone who didn't like Antifragile that much (most of the EP) I had my expectations quite low, except for the title track, but I had some hope we would get something a bit more like their debut EP because it's quite obvious (to me) that these songs seem to be way more loved, like Sour Grapes was really well accepted by gg stans, Blue Flame as well, Fearless grew on a lot of people especially after that tiktok Promiscous mashup.
While a lot of people loved Antifragile, the rest of that EP is never talked about, maybe some people will remember Impurities (one of their best songs so far omg) but that's kinda of it.
Bang Pd talking about latin music is kinda weird now that I listened to Fire in the Belly, I'm sure each latine person has their own opinion but to me, if I wanna listen to latin music I'll listen to latin music and support my fellow latines. It's fine to be inspired every here and then, Antifragile is cute, but like ok stop (again this is MY opinion, it feels weird and not genuine TO ME). Again, this is just me, myself, so to each their own.
I wish Burn the Bridge was an actual song, it would for sure be my favorite but I don't really see myself going back to any of the new songs, now I'll wait for their next comeback. Also the MV is so boring compared to their album trailer.
Personally i expected more new songs, not only because its le sserafim, but also because of IVE. I mean i was hyped in a way like i would have another 10+ new songs to listen. The songs that came out, not a lot but good quality. Not every of them is my style, but most of them definetely goes to my playlist
unpopular opinion(?): Eve, Psyche, & Bluebeard's Wife should've been the title track. The way I've been shouting "I WISH FOR WHAT'S FORBIDDEN" at work is getting scary.
For me what dissapointed me a little was how amazing the Burn the bridge teaser was , how dramatic and visually pleasing .I tought the Unforgiven MV would be the same like Newjeans OMG with pauses and story also the tought the song would be like burn the bridge. Unforgiven MV and song is still good but not what i expected it to be
"Catchy in a bad way" is a good way to put it. Now waiting on your "I was wrong about aespa" or "aespa has arrived" video.
The way you say Kazuha is hilarious 💀
kaZOOha! 😂
the only reason i dislike the ot5 versions is bc they could’ve put it on a repackage or compilation album. like ppl are upset abt her “legacy being erased” when she only promoted for two weeks & isn’t in the industry anymore. u can still listen to the versions with her voice on spotify & other platforms so this whole “whining” abt her legacy is a bit annoying.
i went into this comeback fully knowing it would not live up to antifragile but i was still slightly disappointed. it's a really catchy song and i do like some parts but it's just not one of those songs i would actively seek out. that being said, this is still going to be stuck in my head for a while and the choreo and stages look so fun
Gonna be honest I already saw people deciding they were not gonna like Lesserafims new album and comeback a week before it even dropped so honestly I just decided I love it tbh. I mean a week before and it’s all “it’s not gonna be better than anti fragile” “I already don’t like it because it’s not gonna be like anti fragile!”. And even more so like idk I feel from how at least Twitter talks about them no one will like what they put out next comeback either.
Usually albums with old songs mixed in are labeled and promoted as repackaged albums which have been a thing in Kpop for a very long time. I’m not sure why they didn’t just call it a repackage
I just commented a whole essay about the flaws of this song but you know what it’s still a catchy song. I just wish the rap section would’ve been better it really killed it for me. I don’t think I TRIED to compare it to anti-fragile, it was hard not to because the MV towards the end was literally anti fragile. Also fearless was such a seamless perfect song. Compare that to anti fragile and unforgiven, these two definitely do have that repetitive title and ‘formula’ that is similar in many ways. Unforgiven seems like an uninspired attempt to remake anti-fragile as a Wild West song. Like I’m genuinely not trying to compare the two it’s just THERE like you can’t deny it. I feel like they should’ve just kept the new songs and called it an EP. I think we all collectively wouldn’t have questioned that right? They kind of set themselves up by adding the old songs just to force an ‘album’. I feel like the song doesn’t really have any KILLER point except for the actual repetition that is undoubtedly catchy. Compare that to anti-fragile and I’d argue that the verses were the appeal more so than the antititi. For example yunjins verse in the opening. 10/10. Idk I just cannot get behind unforgiven’s rap section like it was just BAD. Which is so wild to me because yunjin ate her verse in the opening and that was giving more ‘rap’ than the actual rap. Really love the pre chorus and I guess I can get behind the chorus too. The WATCH ME NOWWW is the one reason I’m listening to this song, aside from the fact that it’s catchy.
Happened to me w antifragile and blue flame’s rap. I didn’t like it but as I listened to it more I got used to it 🤷🏻♀️
Fr it was so good🤧 usually it takes me few listens to make their songs grow on me but this one instantly became my favourite 🔥
i think the whole rerecording makes sense to a certain extent, it reminded me of DAY6 and the whole Junhyeok situation with a member leaving REALLY early in the group's career, but leaving out TWO songs??? like what..... HYBE????? it makes absolutely no sense.
Antifragile is one of my favorite songs oat and that's saying something for a pretty new kpop listener
Notes:
1. The albums covers are not it. Doesn't look like mud to me, but it's not great either. But I like the digital album art with the red.
2. It's just uncreative imo to release a full studio album with HALF of them being the older songs. I understand they might not have ample time, but couldn't they just release a mini album with all the newer songs, then have the 2023 versions (which is quite unnecessary tbh) as additional/bonus tracks? It's not just them; other artists also release full albums, only to realize that half of them aren't new. At this point, companies just compiles previous songs, add some newer ones, then announce them as full album.
3. Unforgiven is actually a very nice song, and I felt like this was what I was looking for when Itzy announced an "Old West" concept for Not Shy. Agree on all your points about the song 👏👏 With Nile Rodgers on the song, it could have been bigger, but it just didn't had that IT factor, unlike Antifragile. Still, very nice choreo, very nice song (Yunjin's hips don't lie tho) 👏👏 Really like the two-part pre-chorus, and the chorus makes me want to lead a chaos on our school corridor. I wish more outfits would appear on stages other than the denim ones.
4. The other songs looks very promising, I have heard and watched the stage of the Eve... song, THEY ATE EVERYTHING UP
I don't think Unforgiven is bad, but I must agree that I don't like it as much as other Le Sserafim songs. Their first songs are better. I actually love Impurities. It is such a strange sound, but for whatever reason I love it. I think Antifragile is really good too, but it doesn't have the sound that usually makes me like groups. Antifragile is almost too simple to me. Impurities is that song that sounds weird and good at the same time. I LOVE the jazzy stuff.
I’m just disappointed because the concept pictures were sooo good but then they came out with what felt like a AF 2.0 theme in the MV.(also I think fearless is their best TT don’t come for me but the model theme was executed so well and was cvnt idc) (also I don’t think it’s garam shade I think the company knows she was innocent they just wanted to include those songs for lore and can’t profit off of her voice but #justiceforgaram anyways)
This song grew on me ! I hated unforgiven , and I was dissapointed from unforgiven ,but now I take it on an equal level to antifragile!
That's the beauty of lesserafim's songs
I don't Stan them, but I have noticed that people always expect so much of hybe releases, believing that hybe always brings "something new" or game changing. So they always put expectations too high