One thing you should be aware of is that it's possible for them to renew their group contract with YG but go to a different label for their solo work. That is what more or less every BB member (except maybe GD) has left YG, but YG still has the rights to BB and to promote and schedule them if they want to. I could see BP doing something very similar with Rosé and Jennie most likely signing with one of the Big 4 (Sony, Warner, UMG, Republic) and picking up an agent at CAA. I could see Jisoo staying at YG, since they can continue to promote her as an actress as well, and her target demo would still be Koreans/domestic success. Lisa is definitely hard to tell though.
Glad i'm not the only one who noticed that blackpink's production seems to be stuck in 2016. Like seriously wth, how does their debut sound more modern and experimental than their most recent comebacks
I truly feel like none of Blackpink’s solos live up to the potential of their performers. Solo fully relies on Jennie’s charisma to be interesting, I enjoy OTG but the chorus is so empty compared to the rest of the song, I genuinely hate Money so much and Lalisa is just aggressively fine, and Jisoo’s solo has a strong concept that falls FLAT on its face in the chorus. I think Rosé has the only solo music I truly love, I think Gone is genuinely a really beautiful song and Hard To Love is honestly one of my favorite Blackpink songs to date.
Can’t argue with any of that. Solo has grown on me over time. I think it is ok. Even have on a playlist somewhere. Rose is the most natural soloist to me and her songs have all been good to great. The video comments on Lisa were dead on. I would be ok with Lalisa if the B side was completely different, interesting, something unique to Lisa that showcased her rapping with meaningful lyrics. But no, it’s just a worse Lalisa. I haven’t made up my mind on Flower yet. Yes there are a lot of other things I would have liked to see for Jisoo but the song is interesting at least. It could definitely be better but I don’t think it’s bad.
With their Solos so far, one thing that's kinda bugged me is how... safe they are. Solo, Lalisa, Money, Flower, they are exactly what you'd expect from them, but not in a good way. Rosé probably had the most personal touches in her songs, and that shows in the lyricism and musicality of her songs, especially in Gone. I wouldn't call any of the songs bad, but there definitely is the feeling of being overhyped. The Paint-By-Numbers method BP's team has for their title releases, it works financially, but it doesn't necessarily produce interesting music. BP is a very interesting group in the sense, that even though they are promoted as a Music Group, the vast majority of all of their professional activities has been everything and anything, but music. Blackpink is an aspirational brand more, than a music group. Considering the amount of money they make through it, I can't blame them for possibly feeling this is a fair trade.
Please watch the video by poonicorn about 2NE1, it's eye-opening. BP was created as nothing else but a better and safer version of them. That explains everything from the safe releases to their concept to the tight control from the label with almost no production involvement by the members and the Teddy formula. Really, it's a good watch and also from a perspective that most people don't even think of and kinda ignore. 😊
THIS ! I’ve been saying this since 2020 but at this point YGE can allow themselves to experiment with bp. They have EVERYTHING to do that: hype from the fans and media, solid fanbase, established name for themselves as a group AND as soloist. They can absolutely experiment with their sounds and concepts, genres everything but they don’t. People say that songs like AIIYL, lovesick girls or ice cream and stay were not as successful so they don’t need to do them anymore but they were successful still and are, for a lot of people, fan favorites. And this experiment has to include the involvement of the members in the music, not only outfits and concepts. Let them write and produce, if they can’t then teach them so they can take time to improve
I've also been saying the same for years. Not only in regards to their solos but their music in general. All their music and mvs feel and look the same. And although I enjoy and listen to some of them casually. None are that catchy or interesting and I feel like there is so much wasted potential. I think the reason they try to be safe is because of how as you mentioned "aspirational" BP became. They have a huge fanbase and that allows them to just give us average/lowkey mediocre effort to keep the money coming. They are basically a cash cow for YG and I wouldn't call any of them "artists" at this point. I know that they are talented and there is substance to explore but I do think that neither of them is that vocally skilled, their live singing abilities are very average IMO and therefore they don't want to risk it by giving them more technical interesting songs. That's why they keep going for these dry choruses most of the time. Look at a group like Mamamoo coming from a smaller company. They explore so many genres in their music and they are not afraid of breaking boundaries. Even the storylines of their mvs are fun. And they are true beasts on stage. Honestly BP has no excuse at this point. Even though they are controlled to a certain extent by YG they can still ask for more if they want to. YG depends on them at the end of the day.
For a group that talks so much about Girl Power, their entire discography screams that it was written by mostly men. Literal pseudo feminism packaged as female empowerment where most of the lyrics seem weird, tend to put down other women, seeking male gaze or....(unfortunately) plain bad. For such a talented group, I wish there were better people working in the background so the girls could do better with a lot more freedom than they're allowed.
Agreed. Those lyrics have always rubbed me the wrong way. Not to mention all the bragging in the songs. Like yeah we get it you’re rich. But rich people bragging abt being rich and having the ‘i’m better than everyone’ type lyrics is so weird to me
Yesss!! This even reflects in their choreos. Two examples I can think of right now is 1. Lisa holding a female backup dancer on a leash and controlling her (either Pink Venom or Shut Down) and 2. her being lifted on a throne by male dancers and being surrounded by them, while the female dancers kneel in front of her and raise their arms as if to pray to/praise her (Lalisa or Money).
Boombayah is very undignified, male-gazy, and not empowering. Feeling each other up as part of choreo (hands on hips while standing in a line - it was like a Magic Mike (female version), leaning back into each other's crotches while sat on the floor. Lisa being a 19 year old dressed in a high school cheerleading type outfit saying 'I need a man', while she squats on the floor with her legs spread. Boombayah was BlackPink's debut where YG promoted them as a 'girl crush' group. Girl crush means that the target audience is young women, but Boombayah seemed like it's target audience was perverted men.
@@reecegraham6921 you must not be aware that bragging and braggadociousness is one of tge most common themes in rap...along other cliches. And since BP is a YG group that heavily focuses on rap they're gonna lean in into rap stereotypes that are commonly used in the west - this is how genuine hiphop is in the west and YG is nothing but an immigration of western rap vulture. What many bp fans complain about (maybe y'all are asians and from a different culture that doesn't understand it) is actually the one thing about bp doing rap is authentic. Because the rappers of the group not writing their own material isn't authentic and something they'd get clowned for in the west. In any case this is just the way hiphop and rap is and YG is primarily a rap and hiphop gocused company as seen by the previous group's discography, so they're gonna do what is common to rap. Just bc they're a kpop group you're expecting them to be more like other kpop groups so you're disappointed As for original commenter - when did Blackpink or YG ever claimed for this group to be a girl power type of group? It never ever gave that impression with their music. If you listen to western music you'll see common paralells - like leaning into a bad ahh concepts and girlcrush. Girl crush never claimed to be fem inist. Idk how y'all come to these conclusions but if you don't like the content the group puts out then go find another group? There's literally hundreds of groups in kpop. Y'all come into a group with certain preferences and expectations and expect the group to mold to your preferences insted of it beibg the other way around, where you pick a group to follow based on them being closes to what your preferences are. It's like setting out to follow a pop punk band and being upset they don't sing r&b. Go listen to women empowerment acts like Boa"'s woman then. Blackpink is nothing more than girl crush and that's that
It honestly makes me sad how after 7 years and so much anticipation, THIS was what we got for Jisoo's solo. Not to mention that after all these years, they only ever got like 1-3 songs each. These girls just deserve so much better. :/
Also not to mention that they only gave Jisoo her solo DURING the tour and not before so she had to do a cover for her solo stage. I only listen to BP casually but I don’t understand why the fans weren’t enraged by that.
Jennie as a main rapper has more singing to do in her solo than Jisoo because most of the song is the beat and the ending is her saying "hey hey hey" and you can't even count that as lyrics... I've waited for 7 years for my bias to have a song and both of them are empty beat drops.. I wanted to hear her unique vocal color shine and got this :((
@@sara-os5yz actually blinks were quite enraged and upset at YG ....they had been delaying her solo due to her drama work.....so there was an immense pressure on YG to release the MINI-ALBUM....due to the pressure and hype around her solo , ig they released it during the tour. otherwise it would've come out even later.
Bibi's Vengeance, Hwasa Maria, Sunmi Gashina Pporappipum, Yooa bon voyage abracadabra these songs are perfect..Yooa came from a small company , even her bsides are amazing superb fantastic, I personally really liked abracadabra. Then I dont understand Blackpink is the biggest girl group in this world right now, they got years of hiatus, have the best company, yet their songs sound like they were written and produced in 30 minutes, and their chorus parts are so empty...like these girls are top celebrities now, dont give them kids bops with weird lyrics...say lalisa love me lalisa love me what even is that, 50 percent of their songs are just empty instrumentals, now i really understand why fans are so angryy, the girls even said it took them long time to debut solo cuz they wanted the perfect song 😐 really?
@@ayapalerme5870 But at least it doesn't have empty chorus tho. I think the chorus of You and Me is good in my opinion. Also they put the rap part in the last part of the song, not in the middle like many other BP songs. But I agree that You& Me is not the best solo. The best is Gone imo.
Also, I do have to say, with regards to the whole "most expensive video" statement for Flower...it's filmed in Universal Studios. And while that doesn't explain shit, it does line up with the fact that YG said the same thing for TREASURE's Jikjin m/v, and it was basically just shot at a hotel and contained a lot of cars. So to me, when YG says "this video's really expensive guys", it's *implicitly* expensive, by which the brands, the labels, the locations they work with are what's expensive. Not how it looks, not the filming, it's what they had to buy. Did they make good use of it? No, but it's expensive, and to YG that's all it takes to label it as such.
@@bangtanboysbeforehoes I think it’s bc (especially for bp) they are known to create crazy good aesthetic and shots for each member and song. So saying “we got even more money” is just to build hype and people will think that it’s going to be even better. But they’ve done better with less money so idk kinda dumb on their part
It got really annoying when Blinks were using it to praise Jisoo when it's irrelevant because the MV was boring, so much money wasted on a perfume commercial when they could've done better
My relationship with Blackpink’s music is complex. I think the thing that people can’t really pin point is the reason their music falls behind for them is because of how “incomplete” it is. There isn’t enough music. There’s little to no bold experimentation. There’s not really that much growth (well not in the way that I think people want). Scroll to the bottom for the tl:dr because this is gonna get long. Jisoo’s solo is very telling about how yg and their producers have failed them time and time again. Though Flower is my favorite out of all the solos done by the pinks, it’s still held back by the formulaic nature that is Blackpink’s music. Blackpink’s music has not matured. It’s just as fun and generic as it was when they debuted. I’m going to plug in Twice and Red Velvet here to get my point across as they have matured in vastly different ways. Twice began as very up-beat, cheerful, cutesy and bubblegum. Slowly through their career and as the members have gotten older, their music “grew up” with them. They aren’t doing and will probably never do a song like cheer up in the same way that they did when it came out. Twice are trying something different and although this new style of their’s and their most recent releases aren’t really my favorite, I respect them for having the courage to try something new and grow as a team. Red Velvet on the other hand has been experimental since their rookie days. They’ve never done the same thing twice and I would say none of their songs seem dated or out of place. Red Velvet managed to stay true to themselves and try something new each and every time they released a new song. Having that red and velvet concept has probably help aid them in being able to keep their music fresh, leaving something for everyone to enjoy. When Nayeon debuted solo, she debuted as herself. Pop doesn’t seem quite like something Twice would do as a group. She was able to separate herself from Twice while still being able to be recognized as a member of Twice. Same with the members of Red Velvet and their solos. To bring it back to Blackpink, their solos don’t really give off that same energy. Quite frankly, all of them except gone and maybe flower and hard to love is technically just a Blackpink song with one member singing. The only way I think the Blackpink members would truly flourish as individuals is if they find different producers. They need something different and while I think shut down was a step forward (maybe) it still wasn’t enough. Even more collaborations with different artists could help them find a new direction. YG need Blackpink more than Blackpink needs YG and if they play the cards right, I’m sure we’ll continue to see Blackpink as they are. Tl:dr I like Blackpink’s music but the only way for them to grow and flourish as a group and as individuals is for them to find new producers, experiment with their music and collaborate with different artists.
The way you typed this out is absolutely amazing and the examples are literally perfect I agree with everything said here and I have been meaning to make a list of the things YG should do differently for Blackpink in the future for them to truly be at the highest peak they can be but once again great comment all around :)
I agree with all the things you said here. The thing YG should do right now for Blackpink is to hire new producers for them and let them experiment with music more. As a Blink sometimes I’m really jealous with Twice and Red Velvet’s discography and in my wildest dream I really wish that one day BP would have a song like Psycho but it’s definitely not gonna happen anyways. BP really does have two concepts : Black and Pink. But YG, Teddy and his producers team don’t really know how to use the concepts well and apply it to their discography. At least we have seen some of their growth in music with the Born Pink album with those great B-side like The Happiest Girl, Tally and Hard to Love, but we desperately want more mature and diversity within their discography to show their true potential and to take them to the highest peak as the biggest girl group of the world.
I disagree about Nayeon’s Pop, I can totally see Twice doing it at least on their earlier days. Every group has a member that embodies the soul of the group, and for Twice, that’s Nayeon…
@@star12341998 Nayeon embodies 2015 to 2019 Twice (cute concept). Not Twice's whole career. Nayeon's voice hasn't transitioned as well as e.g Jeongyeon's voice, into their newer concepts.
@@Ri57490 To me the soul of Twice is still their 2015 to 2019 era and that’s why I said Nayeon embodied Twice. When i think of Twice, their 2015 to 2019 concept made a stronger impression than their current one.
This video was so refreshing to watch. It’s nice to hear someone speak their honest opinions about BLACKPINK. This video is living proof you can criticise music without just straight up dragging the group members💀
@@hmmmk7630 Tell me you're a toxic blink that refuses to listen to any criticism without telling me 💀He didn't talk shit about blackpink in this video at all, in fact he even mentioned how he loves Jisoo's voice and was looking forward to her solo AND that he would've liked her solo if not for the very bad chorus. Which as a Jisoo bias who also has been waiting for a solo, is a very common thing I've seen many fans agree on, the song 100% could've been better, but it had to be Teddy-fied. Throughout the whole video he praises blackpink and their voices several times, but criticized mainly the production of Teddy and how Blackpink would do better without him. That is far from ''he just hated on blackpink!". True ''hate'' would be starting the video and saying blackpink is trash, all members are trash and they should disband. Not someone calling out how a lot of songs are ruined by Teddy production wise, the MV's are indeed boring and don't really do much for the girls, and how he hopes Blackpink can get away from Teddy and produce more music that also fits them better. A ''hater'' would not be wishing for MORE success the group, now would they? Stop acting like criticism is hate.
@@yulana990 1-3 video is understandable but 99% of his video only saying Against bp. Also all his most viewed are from bp..no wonder he loves using Becz it's bread and butter for him
@@hmmmk7630 are we looking at the same channel? he's only made two long form videos on blackpink in MONTHS, one being this video and the other from 8 days ago. (with tons of non BP related content getting much more views..) it's not difficult to scroll through for a second and fact check that lmao
@@hmmmk7630 What are you on bro?😭 This channel does so so much more than just hate on Blackpink, which btw in what world are these videos considered hate? It’s just someone being honest about how they feel and he shouldn’t have to shut up just because you say so. And a lot of his statements are refreshing to hear because there’s always blinks like you out there that call any kind of criticism blind hate. Maybe if you actually became more open minded about other’s opinions, you wouldn’t be so offended all the time.
Finally, someone said it. Don't even get me started on those English raps in all of their Japanese songs... "Bitch Imma Star, but no Patrick"... I'm laughing even now bro like please someone never let Teddy write raps ever again. The girls deserve better than Teddy's attempt at Hip-Hop and R&B. And if they do resign, let the girls write and produce and find other producers, plz!!!
True I’m a hard core blink and even though teddy has produced some amazing things I would want them to try something new or to start writing and producing more music. Atleast like 2 comebacks a year with a FULL album (more than 8songs) plz yg 😭
I mean, yall pick and choose, teddy has had two lyrics that made no sense in blackpinks entire career, but he's getting dragged for a lyric of a Japanese version of song released 5 years ago. Smh He's made nice lyrics with nearly 16 songs since that release.
Lmao, I remember the first time I heard that verse and I'm like whuuut?? Like, okay Patrick Star is dumb but a very loyal bestfriend. Also it's not Teddy who wrote the English rap in the D4 Japanese version, it was Bekuh Boom. Most of the stupid English rap verses came from her anyways lol
2 things The sentiment around Jennie's solo is very sweet. I've noticed a lot fan criticism of her solo debut's timing come from an empathetic standpoint, thinking of how she was feeling due to all the harassment she was getting. But from the perspective of any business in the 21st century, YG included, attention is currency regardless of whether it's positive or negative. Other conspiracies around the timing aside, I would bet Jennie was 'thrown to the wolves' because at that point anything associated with her was guaranteed to blow up. So, while the release was a poor decision from an empathetic/human standpoint, it was a great business decision because of the amount of attention it would (and did) receive. Second, I wouldn't be surprised if a fair chunk of the budget for Jisoo's Flower MV was spent on costumes. Given she is a brand ambassador of a number of luxe brands like Cartier and Dior (With Dior even receiving pretty prominent product placement in the MV's intro) she's almost definitely dressed top to toe in designer for each costume change. Not to mention jewelry and accessories.
@@maeglina9687 Typically jewelry and pieces like that from the vaults and archives would be rented out and also probably insured. She may be a Brand Ambassador but Dior is going to protect their assets. These pieces are a huge deal.
So they're influencers who sing . It doesn't really matter what song it is because fashion and beauty are the main point . I love how fans dismissed the music part and jumped straight into saying ' omg , she is so beautiful in that dress ' , ' She is so elegant ' , ' the outfit ' etc,. here and there, some tone deaf fans remember to say ' I like the song , it suits her voice ' . In reality, they're so distracted by the visual that their ears became deaf . The songs are not good , they're just decent . But decent became sh*tty if you got that again and again . A tired Blink here and I'm out .
@@usagi009 Yes and you are surprised ? Welcome to kpop industry. Idols have always be pretty people who do this and that. If you are talented it’s a must, but not an obligation. No visual = No success
@@ayapalerme5870 I hear you but BP is the only group that has been MUCH more of an influencer than a musician. Look at the groups who *make music* like Mamamoo, G-IDLE, even younger ones like IVE, NMIXX, and new jeans These are MUSICIANS and performers. The reason BP can slide with relatively easy choreos, shallow mv concepts, bad concert outfit choices is because the company rides on the BP name. They literally do not have to try. I love BP, they’re what got me out of a dark time and into the rest of k-pop so they’ll always have a special place but I’m tired of the narrative. Absolutely nothing against the girls but I just hate how *blatantly* they’re puppets. It’s like they don’t know how to speak for themselves bc they’ve been picked up at such an early age and essentially divided from society. They as musicians lack a lot of crucial skills bc YG stunted their growth
Actually me personally, I think Rosé’s solo is the best! On the grounds lyrics are such a heavy subject that probably a lot of idols go through! It’s one of those songs that makes you see Rosé on such emotional level and every time I listen to it I get teary eyed. Mera made a video explaining it better than me so probably watch that if you’re interested :)
The issue with bp in general is the pretentiousness of their tracks. Not all idols have to have songs with substance to be good but when you have a group that you promote in a particular alpha female manner, there has to be some background for that narrative to not fall flat. Female power and empowerment has had its fairly long journey. But for girls from rich and privileged families a flex about their bank account just doesn't account for their journey, their tribulations, their growth etc. Am especially tired of how growth is never encouraged in female stories (not just bp but a common throughout the entertainment industry). The only growth that is shown is at most going from a damsel in distress to taking a revenge. Thereby the portrayal of women in general is very one dimensional and am sick of it. What about sociopolitical opinions? Philosophical viewpoints? Thinking apart from the trend? Etc. Thus I hate what people praise to be female power. Then comes the solos. With respect to my previous statements, almost all members have showcased some area of skill and character that has potential to be explored. Eg. Lisa's films show so much more of her capabilities than her solos. The first thing they must do is stop obsessing with best rapper=fast verses and give her songs like the dance cover she did on 'tomboy'. That is a song that fits into Lisa's vocal range, her rapping style, her voice and aura. In this way, she as a skilled individual can explore so much more than just cringe 'I am something' lines and basic dance moves. Like that's the worst. The choreo for her solos. Like is that really all you are gonna give the skilled dancer Lisa? Then Rose. I recall watching her in the show 'sea of hope' and bruhh. I was in love with her voice. She is in no way a strong vocalist since a vocalist requires being technically sound and skilled. But as a singer, oh my. She has that voice and modulation of words that is capable of making an already good song shine even better. Infact I prefer her 'only exception' above the original due to the vulnerability in her voice (she is like jimin). And that is the sign of a good singer. Singers with unique vocal tones always have a space in any industry because technical skills can be trained but that alone may not touch all listeners. Her solos need to start giving her tracks that really show of that capability and honestly such tracks are not hard to make. 'Otg' infact lyrically talks about pretty dark stuff. If only it's musicality hit the right notes. The closest that hit her tone musically is 'gone'! Jisoo. She has a mysterious elegance that I honestly feel like they tried to explore but didn't fully succeed. Her solo is the only one I felt like they atleast tried to understand her focal point. The song musically has so much lost potential. An extended bridge, a less funky chorus and a free falling outro would have made the song less forgettable. That would also have given the potential to extend the lyrical narrative that can explore her story. The worst was the visuals. Its only now I heard they spend a high budget cause huhh? I thought it was the opposite. All they did was beauty shots. She with her acting experience could have explored SO MUCH. She was remotely phenomenal in her acting but she wasn't bad. She was lucky enough to get a drama with such an engaging plot line (I watched the show on air and I was so thrilled). And for such an intense show with skilled actors she atleast didn't fall flat. So why beauty shots? Give her more acting exposure through her solos. Finally jennie. The one I to date have no idea what her standpoint is. The most I can gather is her influencer type capabilities. Which can have a lot of negatives but honestly not everyone can give of that vibe. Which means she can explore a lot of strong societal themes in her songs and has the presence to give it of. And yet again they have never helped her explore it and neither had she taken the initiative to. Even the bare minimum of a little information over a brand you attend. The number of times I have cringed with her akward answers about a brand or her music inspite being the focal point of the show. She feels like the kind that could be the main representative of bp if bp stopped doing such cringe topics but I am still yet to know whether her persona is just one for the narrative and is not much of her inherent skill. I would like to believe the former cause I genuinely wanna know more about her beyond the contreversies that YG seems to not care for. The bottomline is to stop treating the girls like puppets and help them prove the narrative they keep promoting!
I think Rose is the only one who can stand alone and stay in the music industry.. I love them all. But her solo is the only one that felt... human? Real? I still listen to OTG & Gone. The others' solos were not to the point that I was playing it all the time.
@Psykhe I think a few can(?) Like to show their potential. We have yet to get a full album of them solo. I'm just saying based on what's available to us now. Rose has a ton of solo covers available . She has more music to base my opinion on. I think they are all equally talented. But it's clear that the others have modeling & acting as their main goal. Which is 100% fine! But it's obvious that Rose will continue with music in the future, but the others possibly won't.
@hmmm k it's not about popularity, it's about actually wanting to do music as a solo artist. She could get 1 billion views but that doesn't make someone better than the other. Baby shark as more than her 💀 doesn't make them more talented.
15:39 Finally, someone who mentioned Lalisa's first rap section (and reading it out made it all the worse)- The uncalled for "flintstones" line really was the dealbreaker 💀😭
@@chodenugget3350 I'm not gonna lie, when I heard the solo and was hype for the song, I was like "ok slay" and after listening to it more, those lyrics had me cringing for days. They really need to get a better lyricist for their raps smh
I REALLY wished that Jisoo had some traditional korean instrumentals in her solo esp after the finding out all the little details of korean culture in her concept/teaser pictures. Maybe I was foolish to expect so much from YG 😭
I would LOVE to hear their stories in music form. like what bts did when they started their solo journeys; their beginnings, anger towards the industry, thoughts during covid, fear of losing love for their music, their fame becoming shackles, how they low-key wanna go back to their beginnings when things were much simpler; I wanna hear bp sing about these things. I wanna hear their stories GODDAMMIT and I KNOW they have interesting stories to tell. I wanna hear about how jisoo trained among exceptionally talented people, did she feel left out? did she wanna quit and go back to acting? what about her affection towards the other girls as the oldest? did she ever feel out of place? has she overcome those insecure feelings? I wanna hear about jennies life as a punching bag. what was going through her mind in 2018 especially? how did she hold on? was it difficult to get out of bed? did she feel like she was losing control over her own life? has she overcome those obstacles? how has she then? who were the people by her side who gave her a reason to smile? how about her childhood with just her mom in New Zealand? I wanna hear about rosè and her journey to idol life. she's the member who's been very open about her love for making music so was she ever scared that that would be taken from her if she became an idol? how was she adjusting to her new life in another country? how did she carry on without her family? how did her members fill that void? does she feel constricted by not being able to put out her music? does it scare her that she'll lose her touch? I wanna hear about Lisa's journey as a Thai idol. how was the change for her? what was she bottling up? did she wanna go back sometimes? was learning a new language, culture and lifestyle frustrating? how does it feel like being the youngest and being taken care by three older sisters? how did she fall in love with the art that is dance? where does she see herself in the future? so many stories. and yet they're simply rotting away. sad.
I really like your comment. Imo on the ground, love to hate me, shut down and you never know are the songs that address what you are asking for the closest. The difference between BTS and BP is that Bang PD had a lot of trust in his group even though he wasn't sure they would make it, as opposed to YGE (being a big 3 company) just creating another group they think might be as successful as their seniors, but not really planning to do much with them. I feel like everybody needs to understand that BP is still under their first contract and we don't really know the details of it. They have expressed time and time again that they want to have more comebacks, but if that's not the company's plan what do you expect them to do? If they happen to renew and nothing changes then clearly they are okay with what has occurred but I'm sure with the leverage that they have achieved rn some changes will be made. Or they just happen to be women who lost their teenage years to a harmful training system and are content just making fun EDM music in their 20's lol. Either way, we are just consumers of said music and I don't understand why ppl don't just ignore them if it's not their cup of tea? There are plenty of artists I don't care for who are mainstream but I don't seek out hate content/content in general about them to offer "criticism". It's literally a waste of energy and time but I guess that's just me.
I love this comment because it pinpoints my exact problem with how YG has decided to promote Blackpink. I've been following them since 2016 but I feel like I don't know them like I do with my other bias group. Their entire career has been so surface level that I find it difficult to be a fan. As a fan you want a whole loaf of bread or at least one slice, not CRUMBS. But that is what YG and Blackpink are giving.
@Epiphany where in my comment did I mention I want them to sing about a made up financial crisis? 💀 I just asked for their story. and struggles come in different forms,, not just financial
@@ly_sea it's not about money but influence. The only reason why their basic music got so popular was because of the influence their company had. The members wouldn't even had gotten selected in the group if they didn't come from influential families. That's why they don't have to struggle for their music to become successful and that's why I'm pretty sure they like their current position so what 'different' struggles are they gonna want to write about?
Here are my thoughts. Personally I think Jennie's Solo was great but why in the world would they have her go solo at such a terrible time? It's so sad that it took so long for the other members to get solos. And popularity isn't a reason because if that were true Lisa would have gone solo a lot sooner. And personally I liked Jisoo's solo (not loved by any means) but I don't think this should have been the song she went solo with. But of course Teddy was lazy and couldn't think of anything better. The problem with Teddy's formula isn't even really repetition, it just doesn't work anymore. He can't think of any more catchy melodies, hard hitting raps, catching beats for the chorus, addicting party choruses. We can barely blame him because he's clearly burnt out and YG keeps having him make music anyway. But seriously YG, get someone else. If Teddy weren't burnt out we wouldn't have Flower.
Blackpink loves to play it safe regardless of the consumer demand and it shows in every release, group or solo. Playing it safe is obviously safe but gets boring and forgettable pretty soon. I think I need an expounding on 'Blackpink became what BTS could have become'.
You always keep things real! :) My fav solo is Rosé’s; maybe bc it sounds so different from BP’s other work and bc you can truly feel those melancholic emotions through her voice and the lyrics.
Seriously, they hyped up Jisoo's solo so much as "their most expensive MV" but what they meant was most expensive locations. I felt very little passion with the sets, the camerawork, the editing, and direction of the MV. The fact it had "Chapter 1" titles but having no plotline at all just makes me laugh. The outfits are nice tho.
I know this would never have happened under YG but I would've really preferred if the Blackpink members had debuted with full EPs, like the Red Velvet members and Twice members have been doing. With only 1-2 songs, I feel it makes these releases very easy to forget about because there's nothing really substantial there! YG has the budget and resources to do this but they CHOOSE not to. With 5-7 songs on the tracklist there is room to experiment, room for meaning. The artist can show different sides of themselves and aspects of their personality on the different songs. I listen to albums like 28 Reasons by Seulgi or IM Nayeon by Nayeon and I feel like I know who those people are as artists. We get very little of that with Blackpink.
Well YG will have to step up their game soon. Look at IVE's album, it's amazing and I'm not even their fan. Le sserafim are also coming back with a full length album and I don't doubt one bit it's going to be just as good in terms of versatility and members' writing credits. I hope YG are planning something different with BM because they can't be doing the same boring stuff when the market is where it is right now. This year will be crazy, NJ, XG, IVE, Lesserafim, Aespa and many more (and that's not even mentioning gg from smaller companies😮 or groups like Nmixx finally getting quality music).
I genuinely think YG uses music videos to embezzle money. Like they keep claiming they’re making these insanely expensive music videos and when they finally come out I’m like ???? Where did all of the budget go??? Like I seriously think the jikjin mv was just an excuse for the company to buy a bunch of sports cars. There’s just something so shady about YG
Lisa's solo totally overshadowed rosé's solo and dammit rosé's was soooo much better! (Ps- lisa is my bias) both lalisa and money were quite forgettable in my opinion. It would've been better if there was more gap between both of the album's releases. I enjoy jennie's solo a lot but no doubt the timing was really bad. I am still not sure if I like jisoo's solo. What I know is that I am definitely disappointed. Well all this won't stop me from rooting for the girls.. just hope they get better with their music.
@@swyou2019 money definitely wasn't forgettable, it's going to beat blackpinks songs to become their first one to hit a billion in streams on spotify. Is their biggest one on shazam. On youtube, gonna soon surpass butter to become the biggest kpop song released in 2021, despite being a performance video, sold a million in US, holds all 4/5 streaming weeks, even after plenty of huge solo debuts. Definitely the biggest solo in blackpink.
@@savsybunny7955 not Lisa bias but Money is still better than Rosé both songs combine. Idk Why this stereotype of Most views=overrated,not good blah blah Least views= Deserves better,underrated OtG is most boring just becz It has better lyrics doesn't make it good enough..
@@wajeehasajad8888 thats bcs Lisa is popular but now you rarely see someone mentioning any of Lisa's song. Big fandom stream non stop, not organically listen bcs they remember the song fondly even months after. Thats why those hit big numbers but once a new song come out they move to the other to stream that one.
If they weren't called "the biggest gg in the world" I'd care even less because they're solo's that'd just be kicked to the side if done by anyone else but because these "broke records" despite being absolutely mid...
My thoughts on Jisoos single "flower" is the song, melody and Jisoos vocals were very good to me, MV was great, Jisoo looked amazing. What made the song underwhelming was the instrumental and production. It sounded empty and unfinished in parts. Like it was missing something, so I did like the song I just think they let her down in making it the bop it had the potential to be. I feel like Rose had the best solo of all 4 members
man if i were jennie i would be more excited to perform my own song than the other blackpink songs not because they’re bad but we all know they got a little tired of performing the same songs when they didn’t have many songs jennie specifically showed that she’s tired at times. i love solo, i think it was really well executed like i’m still not over it, when everyone was shitting on jennie and hating on her debut i was there for her !! that’s my sister over there ! people at the time were saying it was unfair to give jennie a solo but now in retrospect i think it was unfair for jennie, sure solo is iconic but the other blackpink members solo debuted when blackpink’s name was much bigger and they received much more praise. also she’s the only one to have one song while the others have 2, give jennie a comeback !! on the ground and gone did nothing for me 🥲 i wanted to love them but they just didn’t do it for me which really hurt me because jennie and rosé were my bias line in bp, i know the lyricism is good but it doesn’t make me feel anything. lalisa and money, i see the vision, she slayed but this isn’t the music that’s for me, lisa’s tone in lalisa is just so
to think jennie was supposed to debut with an album but the hate was so bad that yg made her debut with only a song and a photobook ☹️ jennie deserved to have a happy and supported debut like the others…
No she wasnt though she got hate after she relased solo ( which was sad and should jot have been the case she is amazing ) but she was always supposed to debut with only single song
I like that when you critic their music, you give a detailed description of what you don't like and how it can improve! You are clearly very passionate about music and that's admirable.
I feel like the most frustrating thing about Blackpink is that YG has an almost endless amount of money and resources at their disposal but it goes to waste. There are so many smaller groups that are working their asses off that would kill to have even a fraction of those recourses to help create their vision. And often times these groups do end up creating some amazing work despite having almost nothing. Meanwhile we’ve been told time and time again that this new Blackpink music video is the most expensive yet but I have yet to see where that money is even going. We have groups like Loona and OnlyOneOf creating beautiful universes and stories through their art and not getting the time of day for such a long time, and then Blackpink releases the same music video and title track just remixed and get money thrown at them for it and all sorts of awards. Its even sadder because the girls are so talented but can barely even show it.
@@zhisu2665 Arianna Grande doesn't write or produce her own songs, just like many other western artisrs so I see no issue. I'm pretty sure Lisa had her imput in her solos anyways, and it's evident - the fact Lalisa embraces her original ethnic name (in it's ethnic format and not her professional stage name that's shortened to a palatable western name) - the fact she wanted the chorus to be a chant of her name for fans to sing back to her, the fact that Lalisa MV encorporates nods to her Thai roots and culture - the fact that Money adresses two of her favourite thibgs: shopping aka "dropping bills on my a## tonight" and pole dancing 😂😂. And last but not least, her solos were rap heavy and hiphop focused since that seems to be her preference. she 100% had an imput or influence in the sense the song was tailored for her and her interests instead of picking a song irrelevant to her lifestyle. And she doesn't need to write herself in order to be able to sing about what she wants to. Her strength is dancing not music production and she gets to enjoy that whike somebody else gets to take care of the rest. Some of the biggest stars like Whitney Huston never wrote her own music yet they were massively big and respected
I loved Rose's solo and I somehow likes solo by jennie. But I physically cannot bring myself to listen to the other members songs. I guess human beings truly are complex creatures cause I genuinely think its bad but there's people who also like it.
I hope that if they do renew, that they do with some guidelines, like having more creative input and control in their music, being able to work with other producers, having more music and longer albums, stuff like that . But idk I can’t imagine them doing that, sometimes it feels like they like how things are. Also, they really like teddy but teddy should encourage them more. In the documentary it shows him encouraging Rose. But he should actually involve them in the musical direction, at least lyrics wise because I think their ideas can add more personality and feel a bit more authentic, idk though.
The girls are so popular even if they don't do any of the things artists do . They are more of influencers who can sing than artists . So idk , they will try to show us they too are ' artists ' who can write one or two line of lyrics because Kpop just recently started to value authenticity and creativity.
Like you said, i feel mile they are happy with the way things are. They are literally living their best life, getting brand deals every 2 to 3 business days, attending fashion weeks every other month, covering famous magazines, hanging out with celebrities, they are socialites who got lucky that their music blew up. They probbably only show up to the studio once a year to record a new song and then wait for the producer to make another one. Why would they willingly give up the easy life to be stuck in a studio 24H writing and brainstorming some good lyrics while also learning to produce good songs? Specially when you know that Lisa and Jisoo dont have a real passion for music and probably wont be able to truly let their "artistc side" out because they dont have any. They just go with the flow and they signed up to be idols, let's leave the artistic expression for real artists who care about making music more than attending fashion shows and making them a top priority while only pushing music as a side hustle. Blackpink arent true artists so please stop expecting them to have a creative control over their music because from the way i stand, it seems to me like they're not that interested in making music and are enjoying the life as socialites/influencers
Kpop in general has never been about music . You couldn't go far with only good music in this industry . Music matter to a degree but LOOKS matter the most . Being pretty is key here . For that they'll be given massive fame even if they didn't work hard enough . Even by lifting a finger , people will give applause to them , ' oh so beautiful , so talented ' . Even if they're spitting toxic and trashy lyrics, people will worship them . Their effort and artistry don't live up to the hype most of the time , they're just decent idols with really really beautiful visuals . Your eyes are being blessed just by watching them , for that no good music, no talents or no hard work is needed . Just put them on the screen and people will love them . That's how the pretty privilege works . It's a shame but no one could stop it . People who don't have that kind of face and power have to work hard to death , dripping blood and sweat but still wouldn't be able to catch up to them , pretty idols who are doing just enough to pass as ' performers ' . Well, there are artists out there who are really good and successful and their hard work and talents can back them up . But there are still ' fans ' who are obsessed with looks and beauty . Ok I won't deny that I watch them for their beauty but I don't listen to their music , for me they're just eyes cleanser , I watched them when I wanna see extremely beautiful girls . We are living in a dystopian society . The end .
K-Pop as a whole is a culture and culture sells a lot if its packaged in polished way to right demographics. And speaking about trashy lyrics you mentioned, i don't really think they are educated or trained to be songwriter or composers anyway. They trained to be an "actor or actress of music" (read it as performers or idols) and let the other producers take a director seat. They are not designed to be auteur from very beginning. It's like sophisticated version of 50s-60s Hollywood to me or Disneyland.
A little off topic, bc I'm mad at Teddy for sticking with the same concept for 7 years hehe: I always thought BP was making songs for woman to feel confident, but now I see I can't relate to it, because 90% of the time they sing how they're better than others (mostly girls). In comparison we now have Le Sserafim, who to me are all I wanted from BP since a long time... I'm FEARLESS, ANTIFRAGILE, UNFORGIVEN! Teddy, this is want you call a good concept for strong woman! I'm saying this because for the longest time BP were branded as as group of strong individuals who got as popular as male groups what was rare at the time, and huge congrats to them, but they're stuck in the past. At this point I'm holding onto the sentiment to them for being my first kpop girl group...
Rosè has the best solo but i don't appreciate the ''sit still look pretty'' theme they have like you said "surface level" They should just let them write and produce their songs
bold of u to assume that they all can write and produce lol, it's really not that easy and unless you have a miniml knowledge about musical notes/how to use a keyboard/ And being creative enough to come up with good beats, i dont think athe Blackpink members would be able to do that. For writing, I think it might work for Jennie and Rose because they, Lisa and Jisoo on the other hand, i dont think they'll be able to write something extraordinairy or even decent. Like Lisa's rap in Say So sounded like it was written by a middle schooler and the verse barely even made sense, she defeated the whole purpose of Rythm And Poetry and her english vocab is stuck on a tiktok/Stan Twitter level. And for Jisoo i dont think she realy is passionated enough about music to sit a whole day and try to come up with some lyrics on her own. The problem with blinks is that yall hype their abilities way too much and expect so many things from them even though they showed many times that they werent interested in writing and producing.
I wonder how 3/4 members got title track for their solos with no chorus. Honestly i never noticed much of idols life or persona but with blackpink being such influential group you could have easily gave 4 members 4 different concepts. Jennie: she can have got that aesthetic bougie concept with her persona. Lisa: with a strong rap song and good moves *not these generic hip moves given to her* she could have slayed so hard. Rose: with her being gifted with such soothing voice you could have seen her in a soft girl next door concept and fall in love with her. Jisoo: her vocal colours are a bit hard to work with but not impossible. I could see her in a mystery/thriller based mv and song that could help her voice in deep as well. With her acting experience a dark/thriller based mv had been so amazing. But yg just never saw any potential in their solo with different themes god it's just disappointing at this point🗿
atleast you respect the blackpink member i think you wouldn't get jumped by those toxic side of the fandom.. have a great day and thank you for making the video i hope you will always support 4 of them
I just listen to the intro, and I still don't understand why people spend so much energy and time to hate on someone they don't know for just something as trivial as music... whatever just want to say that I really appreciate your videos even when I don't agree, but you have a way of presenting things that is really nice !
I just think, once again, their solo music is a classic example of companies underutilising an idols talents and strengths, for instance in Lalisa.....they legit made one of the best female hiphop dancers in kpop dance the driest choreo ive ever seen.
I've been struggling with the frustrations I have specifically for Jisoo's Flower music video and I think I finally found the words. All the dancing shots feel like what I'd expect from a cover group going to a random outdoor intersection and getting their bud to record with their DLSR on a tripod. Uninteresting. Bland. Literally just lifeless. The lighting wasn't even good, nor was the framing. What in the world were they thinking? Also can we talk about how Miyeon, the member of Blackpink who never made it into the debut lineup, has such a solid debut EP compared to all of them? That's just ironic. Drive was just such a solid debut song that showed her colors perfectly.
Finally someone that doesn’t see Solo as this outterbody experience I don’t understand why it’s still perceived as the best solo. I would rank them: 1. On the Ground 2. Flower 3. Solo 4. Lalisa
Strongly agree, Solo felt safe and generic when it came out imo - the remix performance from their online concert the show was great though, the concept was more cohesive and artistic and her charisma shined a lot - Solo at release felt like an obvious attempt at creating a hit in the footsteps of Gashina by Sunmi (which was also produced by Teddy). I kinda wish Jennie went for a darker sound and look (hope she has solo comeback) with a less repetitive chorus
BP was what got me into KPOP in the first place like 5 years back. But now 5 years later I can't say they did anything since I knew about them. It's like they are stuck back in 2018...
Same with me❤ I knew K-pop was becoming very popular with BTS blowing up and everything but money was the first K-pop song I actually enjoyed. Though tbh, as time passed, the bad lyricism made it sound cringe to me but I still respect the song for being fun for a moment.
I really love watching honest reviews about kpop groups. And tbh, I'm looking for a honest review about bp and thankfully I found this one. And I must say, I agree to you big time! More honest reviews to come!!
i really hope rosie leaves yg and starts working with more western songwriters, so that she can work on it and really thrive as an artist. she could become an amazing songwriter and artist, which i just dont see with her staying in the kpop industry.
you literally summed up all my feelings about BP in one video. I've been casually following since their debut, and while as celebrities and influencers BP's charisma and brand is undeniable, I don't want to listen to any of their music. I remember in the late 10s when they'd been around for a few years and all they had were like 5 songs that had been played to death, it was already a bit suss. I kept watching each release and each project but all of them have felt lacklustre and with any other group or company would have been flop or mid comebacks. credit to the girls for doing so well with what they had (song wise), but unfortunately (to a casual kpop fan like me, not a blink) it feels like rose is the only member that even cares about songwriting and production. when other groups that have debuted around the same time or after have released so much more interesting, meaningful and listenable music, it's hard not to feel they're overhyped with an amazing pr team and charisma but little substance as a music fan. i'll continue casually keeping up with bp, but man, the moment I heard the chorus for flower.... anyway, it's been many years and counting but I really just want better from and for them
If I remeber correctly it's Bekuh Boom who writes the english raps for the girls. In genius website for Icecream, she had commented how much she thought of Lisa when she wrote that "Mona Lisa kinda Lisa" line. I think she has a great role in the eng raps.
Honestly jisoo solo title track is just 50% instrumentals and 20% her singing,also it’s not just you legit someone did a mashup of ready for love and all on eyes on me on TikTok and I couldn’t believe how well it fitted the ready for love instrumentals it was crazy and honestly felt like the budget went into the dresses then mv general just felt so empty besides just jisoo looking “pretty” like yg has just a knack for these kind of things but they did showed each members colors through their solo well cause Jisoo solo screams jisoo and for other members as well but when it comes to the songs there is barely any good ones out of the solos just some gems like gone
19:35 to the question why was the MV so expensive: it looks like it was shot on film and using film cameras is usually WAY more expensive than shooting digital since not only you have to pay for the rolls, developing and scanning them but also the proces requires different lighting etc. With that said, I personally loved the Flower MV because it looked so unusual compared to other kpop MVs. Normally you would have the dancing scenes shot dynamically, with a lot of camera movement and close-ups and here those were really static so when I've watched it for the first time it felt like sth was off. The editing is a huge factor in why I admire this MV so much. You don't focus as much on cool transitions as you do on Jisoo, her subtle movements and facial expressions (and she's amazing at conveing emotions). Honestly it feels very cinematic to me, like watching a main character in a movie!
I just watched jisoo live performance singing flower and felt so sad that yg can't see the potential because she sung so good live. I think yg was joking when he said its the most expensive because money performance video looked more good and expensive than Flower mv.
I still don't understand why all BP songs (and the solos) dont' have choruses with actual lyrics. It's either a instrumental "chorus" or a chorus where they repeat the same phrase over and over.
I heard somewhere (This may not be 100% true) but Rosé had her solo ready for 1-2 years before it released, but YG didn’t want to release it so she was forced to hide her solo.
I need more ‘beautifully lyrical’ songs from them. All Eyes On Me, Gone, Hard To Love and On The Ground had beautiful lyrics. I get that Solo and Lalisa talks about their own name (Jennie and ‘Lalisa’) and their own image but if Rosé could express herself and her journey without exaggerating her fame and success, I’m sure the rest could do the same too. I actually had some hopes for better music in terms of the production and lyrics after Lovesick Girls was released. In my opinion, this was easily the top few favourites of the pink’s discography. Reading the lyrics while listening to their vocals shine was simply beautiful. They may not have the best vocals but they are able to express their emotions easily with the different vocal tones which adds more depth to the music, eg. Rosé’s higher tone contrasting with Jisoo’s lower tone and Jennie’s unique technique of pronouncing certain words with Lisa’s softer tone while singing. Personally, I would rather prefer music that may be boring for some with meaningful lyrics that we can relate to than music that talks nothing but fame and pure savagery towards the haters and shit like that. After listening to the full version of Ready For Love, I was really excited for their future comebacks. Ready For Love was obviously a continuation of Lovesick Girls, showing how despite the toxic and frustrating relationship they had to go through, after some time they are ready to face love once again. They can potentially have a storyline if we look at their previous comebacks such as Playing With Fire, As If It’s Your Last and Kill This Love. If we connect the songs lyrically, there is a progression and storyline that can be followed through. I was genuinely upset after reading the lyrics for Pink Venom and Shut Down. I get that they’re incredibly successful now and it’s reasonable to flaunt the success but through music is not the best way to go. I’m fine with a few songs about their success but at this point, I think those that are involved in the making of those songs should take a step back and let the girls write those lyrics themselves. How You Like That was sort of approaching that direction but it was lowkey that it can still be listenable. Pretty Savage was in the same situation as well. However, Pink Venom lyrically made no sense and was a mess. It’s as if you asked a bot that is still in beta testing to write lyrics for a song. Shut Down gave me mixed feelings. I see the point of them shutting down their past eras, talking about their idol lives but again, the haters part isn’t necessary since we’ve heard enough about them. Typa Girl… I was kinda disappointed. I appreciate the message to be that IT girls that men want but honestly.. pass😭 Tally, however, is a better approach to address to the haters and not gaf about whatever they have to say. I just hope for then to make music like LSG, HTL, RFL, PWF, YNK, THG or AIIYL. These songs reflect the group’s personal feelings and vocals more which majority of the fanbase enjoys. Although it isn’t certain the songs would hit the charts and be as successful as the other ‘meaningless’ songs, these would still be able to capture not only the fanbase’s hearts but possibly other casual listeners’ hearts too. Not only will the songs be nice to listen to without them talking about money, but they could make it a relatable situation for the listeners. As a global sensation K-POP GIRL GROUP, I do hope they get to embrace their roots as a KOREAN musical group and have their songs written more in korean than in english. It may be hard for the global fans to feel what they are trying to express through the lyrics, but reaching to the hearts of their fellow koreans should be a priority instead, but of course if they prefer to express themselves in English, let it be! However, they should take it to consideration that Jisoo isn’t exactly as fluet in english as them, thus you can see how her song has the most korean lyrics compared to the other members that came from different backgrounds that included more than just Korea.
Jisoo's solo seems like they didn't put much effort into it.. It's like they released it bcoz fans were asking for it. I don't hate the song but it's a little lackluster. Solo's concept was gr8 as it really fit her. I liked the song when it came out but it's not smthng I'd listen to much. Lalisa was okay.. It fit Lisa's vibe. I just don't listen to that kind of music I don't like the lyrics for money at all. I don't like money either Rosé's OTG was pretty okay.. I listened to it quite a bit. Gone was my favourite out of all.. It gave me feels. I loved the lyrics also bcoz I was going through a similar phase so it really resonated with me.. Her being involved in writing the lyrics was a plus point. It's also tye only bp solo song I still listen to constantly
I think they waited three years to solo debut rosé after jennie so that lisa's solo would be ready. Yg really bet on her and used Rosé to bring back the public's eye on Blackpink, to then promote lisa even more.
Oh and another thing, If anyone has been keeping up with Babymonsters final evaluation series, you remember that the girls have been involved in the production, and lyrics and line distribution of their evaluations. MEANING THAT THEY CAN DO THESE THINGS, and idk if times might have changed. But wouldn’t that mean that BP also did too? So again, it’s not like they don’t have the ability or the talent of songwriting. But I think that they just, don’t for some unknown reason. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors so 🤷🏽♀️
The answer is simple: why would they do that? Thet get SO much money with teddy's repetitive songs. They dont have to write, produce, and can focus on modelling, being influencers, and enjoy their money they made out of their fans. Thats why they wont ever leave YG, until ppl grow tired of the sound or move to babymonster and thats when they will realize "we have to change the sound to still be relevant and compete with these new group from the same company" and may go solo. Or maybe they wont bcs they are already rich as fck, I think they dont need to work ever again for the rest of their lives. They dont have to work at all, just do the bare minimun to keep ppl around and still spend money.
@@carlacs4098 Or maybe the pressure is too great. Maybe they're too scared their own stuff won't do as well and be as successful as what they're doing now. Maybe YG doesn't let them release their own stuff, because the company doesn't want to take any risks.
Jennie's lyrics notebook (filled with lyrics she wrote) had been taken away by the company. It's only in teh more recent years that they have been getting more freedom when it comes to writing. Rosé for example was very involved in her solo. But for a long time they didn't get the chance. Babymonster probably has this freedom now because YGe sees it works giving artists this. Fans put a lot on seeing their artists being credited, which means more money for the company. Blackpink was created as a 'safer' version of 2NE1. Which means very tight control from the company.
@@starbutterfly4860 Rosé had a lot of trouble with her solo writing, because she found it very personal and exposing. Which is her reason for why it took quite a while.
I really appreciate your no holds barred, painfully honest opinions, even though I vehemently disagree with most (but not all) of your negative points. I am just surprised you put in this amount of time and effort for music that you seem to genuinely dislike despite seemingly liking and appreciating the talents of the four members.
I was so looking forward to Jisoo’s song, but it wasn’t my cup of tea. Also “highest production budget”?? - honestly, Le Sserafim’s recent trailer looked more high budget than Jisoo’s vid. Don’t get me wrong, Jisoo’s MV was lovely, but if nobody mentioned the MV’s budget, I wouldn’t have thought it was a high budget production. Whereas, I immediately thought that a lot of money was spent for Le Sserafim’s trailer because it had a cinematic arthouse look.
It's sad that their individual cover songs show a lot more of their potential and talent than their official Blackpink songs. Look at their dance covers for BBHMM and "16 Shots," their cover of Miguel's "Sure Thing," all of Rosie's covers but especially "Eyes Closed" and "If It's You," Jisoo's "Yuki No Hana" and "Clarity," Lisa's Films, Jennie's performance of "Best Part" and her pre-debut work. They show more potential performing other people's songs than their own, and I think the weight and meaning of that is self-explanatory. (aka they need to either completely take over on their own, or get new people to work on their music) obviously this is my opinion, but it's something I just realized and I'm kinda baffled.
Gone is honestly my fav song from any blackpink’s solo , rosé actually is the only member I expect something from blackpink yeah like jennie is amazing too , but i just can’t bring myself to think that lisa will give us some real music i don’t think so , i am sorry i didn’t mean to hurt anyone but that’s what i think , also jisoo is not really going to give a great music i was sure about that, and as always she was not credited, i am sure it sounds hard but rosé is the only member of blackpink i feel she is really into music , i mean yes all the members are amazing and great performers, but i am talking about lyrics and music production i can only think about rosé !!
I saw your video on J-Hope, got mad respect for u on that one, and now watched this one and I find you a very interesting person to talk about kpop with, and I love talking about kpop. After Jisoo's solo my brother and I reacted to and discussed all of their solos with the biggest question being "Is this a good solo for >this< member? Does it represent this member?" Is this a good Jennie solo, a good Lisa solo and so on... I'm surprised that you agreed with a lot of my opinions but also differed from the conclusions that my brother and I had. It would be too long for me to write about everyone so let's do Jennie: -Jennies solo had the kpop industry on a chokehold when it came out: every idol and their mother was dancing to this song, and even I thought it was great on the 1st listen. I discovered the song through an animation, so I didn't have the label "Jennie" Infront of my eyes to make me like the song. The problem I have with Solo is that I can compare it to Despacito. Despacito was EVERYWHERE in 2017, it was a global hit, or at least in the Americas, I don't know... But it has HUGE... But after 2017 the music industry moved on, music got a different sound and Despacito stayed behind in 2017. Jennie's solo was like Despacito meaning that it was massive when it released in 2018, but the industry moved on in a production standpoint and Solo very much sounds like a song from 2018 and since that was 5 years ago I find that very unfair to Jennie. In my opinion, Solo completely missed the badass woman persona that YG gave her and did not use the amazing rap skills that Jennie has. She's one of my favorite examples of a good rapper in a kpop group but she is dangerously underused as a rapper. To me her best raps are in Shut Down and Pink Venom (I don't even consider Ddu du Ddu du rap anymore cause we've been driving that rap for years now as her best. But we've finally got more really good rapping content. At least in flow, I don't know about the lyrics). Jennie should have gotten a 2nd solo at this point or at least now that all of the members have gotten one. Cause I truly believe Solo did not do Jennie's talent justice. Solo is a very bland song compared to what she can do. And no, I'm not a blink nor a Jennie stan. I have my opinions on all of their solos but talking about hers was already a lot to say. I really am disappointed that all of the girls did not get solos that match up the glory of what it means to be a member of the biggest girl group in the world right now. And I agree with you, if the girls get production and lyrics from people outside of YG they could do great things.
They should comeback with something a little fresher and cute, like As If It's Your Last. I used to LOVE them but the last 3 comebacks all sound the same to me I wish they experimented different concepts.
About Jisoos Solo: I really looked forward to her vocal, because I liked her covers. But I was really disappointed, that she kinda talked threw most of the song.
I would like to make an argument for On The Ground having better lyricism than Gone, that which being I feel like we have more context for the former than the latter. I would have to agree that Gone is ultimately more interesting, but it also feels all over the place. The first verse makes it seem like the partner ghosted her, but then the chorus makes it seem like he cheated on her? And I know both can theoretically be possible at the same time, but there's little to no connection that makes it into a cohesive story. It conveys "heartbreak" well enough, but *what* heartbreak, specifically? For a song that's full on lyrics and with no drop, it does seem oddly lacking, especially since this lacks the context of the relationship itself. While On The Ground is similarly lacking, in that it has an empty drop with a subpar instrumental to boot, I think the lyrics convey just enough for the drop to feel like space to breathe, almost. This also where "context" comes in. The first verse describes trainee life, something a lot of people are familiar with given the endless amount of documentation about it. And the fact that we also know YG to be harsh on their trainees, being part of the Big 3 and all, it adds the whole "I've worked my whole life" part more weight. The second verse being sped-sang also contributes to how I think the drop feels deserved. It's not the best empty chorus ever, but the verse being sang so fast, it felt justified, almost. I also think how it addresses her younger self as "you" felt like it added to a feeling of isolation, because if there's one thing about trainee life we know, it's that loss of innocence is prevalent. And given that they've all had pretty long training time (not the longest, but still pretty long), I think this type of second-person writing makes sense. I do have to say it's not perfect, I really wish the runtime was longer as well, but its meaning holds more depth for me, given that we can pretty much deduct what she's been through with outer context and the lyrics itself, whereas Gone feels like vague heartbreak with no story to tell. Add the fact that the instrumental is constant, basically telling us to focus on her voice and the lyrics, and it falls a bit flat for me.
Jennie-- thank you for observing the bad timing of her solo. I remembered feeling conflicted about it because she was getting trashed and always irritable in interviews at the time (obvious as to why looking back) but I actually did enjoy her solo quite a bit. I felt bad for liking it because I thought all the other members were getting the short end of the stick and some of them appeared to be kicked around while Jennie got premium treatment all the time. NOW it feels like Jennie's getting the opposite of premium treatment since she only had one solo (not two like all the others) and has never been fully credited for her work. We blinks know that Jennie writes a lot of lyrics and does extra work and given no credit. Rose-- I loved On the Ground most because it felt like Rose and had a lot of lyrical depth to it. My biggest critique is that it didn't highlight how incredible her voice is. I loved Gone, but I hate the line about putting a curse on someone. I just think it's such a nasty sentiment. It does show how incredible her voice is though. Lisa--TBH I wasn't a huge fan of either of her songs. But I think people had the wrong response in thinking these songs were not very Lisa and sound too much like a normal BP song. I say that's wrong and that both songs are very Lisa, although I feel like Lalisa is much more like her than Money. She's not as invested in songwriting, but has a true passion for performing. I would even argue that she is the best most well-rounded performer of the group, and visably seems to enjoy those over the top high energy moments more than the others. Jisoo--Personally I love her new solos. I'm just relieved they turned out this good and that they suit her so well. I was worried she'd end up with a song that was too BP which she wouldn't be able to carry as well as a soloist onstage. Too many people like to roast Jisoo for being "the worst" which just isn't true. As a performer she's better with the theatrics and with her subtle yet perfect elegance. As a performer she has swag--just not the generic BLACKPINK flexing and throwing Teddy Park bars type of swag...which results in people comparing the other girls to her. Pretty annoying.
Honestly, Rosé solos are the only listenable ones with actual good lyrics and felt like Rosé put her touch in it which made it so much better. However otg chorus was kinda empty but still good
Personally I feel blinks should stop blaming YG all the time. I honestly want to understand if they can digest any song produced by only all the members of blackpink. Truly by themselves. From writing to production. Everything. Without taking help from anybody from YG crew. Can they do that?? Nope. Then why r they blaming YG??
I personally thought Rose’s solo debut was the best. I still listen to on the ground. It was such a master piece. The other members just have a song that I only listen to when watching a tik tok video.
Tbh I hate that as soon as jisoo’s solo was announced I knew exactly what it was gonna sound like. I was like oh it’s gonna have a drop at the chorus and it’s gonna feel really short and that’s exactly what we got. Even the music videos, aesthetically are somewhat similar down to the color grading besides Lisa’s mv. Like I know it’s gonna have choreography scenes and then like pretty shots in really beautiful outfits. (Which as a fashion girly I do appreciate the fashion). But tbh it just sucks like their work shouldn’t be this predictable. And it sucks when it comes to teddy bc he did use to be innovative at one point. As someone who listened to 2NE1’s discography and he worked with big bang sometimes like I know what he’s capable of and at first blackpink did feel innovative but not anymore. He’s clearly burnt out but now that he also is director for the black label and does somi’s music in addition to blackpink im scared artistically he won’t get the break he needs to come back with a new sound. I loved solo at the time tho I thought it was way too early for her to go solo, otg was just okay, I liked everything but the chorus/drop which sucks. Gone was actually a lot better, hard to love should’ve been released along with her solo instead of blackpink’s album. I could totally see rosé being like somewhere in between Avril Lavigne and Taylor swift sonically in sound. Or adjacent to Olivia rodrigo but more mature. I found lalisa annoying and bc I do listen to a lot of rap/hiphop (american where it was birthed) I hate to say it but money was a bit on the corny side. Also Lisa saying she gonna catch a case, gunnin for my man, just makes me laugh. Like teddy writing raps feels like a parody of actual rap. Like in what world would ms Lisa, born into a well off or at least middle class family with a chef as a step father, in what world would she “catch a case” like Bffr. But I know kpop fans would eat it up bc the bar is in hell when it comes to rap and hiphop. Flower was just okay. It sounds pretty and I might’ve liked it more had I not heard different versions of it through Jennie, rosé, sunmi and somi, all of which teddy has produced for. All in all their solo career but also blackpinks trajectory as artists is just okay. It’ll always be fun and catchy and I like listening to it but I stop stanning them as hard bc I felt like artistically they fall flat from me and they do not grow as artists. It’s just disappointing. What I will say and others said it too, is rosé music feels the most personal and authentic to her. Homegirl had something to say and emotionally I could feel it. Even with otg.
IM IN MY FINALS FOR CLASH ON LEAGUE OF LEGENDS
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OMG YOU PLAY LEAGUE? ANOTHER REASON TO STAN TAEJIU 🫶🫶🫶🫶
Good luck!
One thing you should be aware of is that it's possible for them to renew their group contract with YG but go to a different label for their solo work. That is what more or less every BB member (except maybe GD) has left YG, but YG still has the rights to BB and to promote and schedule them if they want to. I could see BP doing something very similar with Rosé and Jennie most likely signing with one of the Big 4 (Sony, Warner, UMG, Republic) and picking up an agent at CAA. I could see Jisoo staying at YG, since they can continue to promote her as an actress as well, and her target demo would still be Koreans/domestic success. Lisa is definitely hard to tell though.
YOU PLAY LEAGUE??? damn, you’re just giving me more reasons to be here
Glad i'm not the only one who noticed that blackpink's production seems to be stuck in 2016. Like seriously wth, how does their debut sound more modern and experimental than their most recent comebacks
at this point its not stuck in 2016 anymore, its in the basement!! I mean their earlier comebacks were so good, idk what happened to them
Because they have demoed half their more recent releases and simply released it years later cuz they’re lazy z
@@disneyfan101rocks*because yg systematically pushes back their music and has been doing so for most of their career
That's cuz Y'ALL ARE NOT LOOKING FROM WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROOM?! YGGG
That's old style and they'll stick to it till they die
@@Asas_mic. why r u yelling lol
"flower" feels and looks like "solo" but with a more "korean" and quieter feel to it
true!!! i thought the same!!
Damn , that's the best way to describe it .
I truly feel like none of Blackpink’s solos live up to the potential of their performers. Solo fully relies on Jennie’s charisma to be interesting, I enjoy OTG but the chorus is so empty compared to the rest of the song, I genuinely hate Money so much and Lalisa is just aggressively fine, and Jisoo’s solo has a strong concept that falls FLAT on its face in the chorus. I think Rosé has the only solo music I truly love, I think Gone is genuinely a really beautiful song and Hard To Love is honestly one of my favorite Blackpink songs to date.
Period.
Can’t argue with any of that. Solo has grown on me over time. I think it is ok. Even have on a playlist somewhere.
Rose is the most natural soloist to me and her songs have all been good to great.
The video comments on Lisa were dead on. I would be ok with Lalisa if the B side was completely different, interesting, something unique to Lisa that showcased her rapping with meaningful lyrics. But no, it’s just a worse Lalisa.
I haven’t made up my mind on Flower yet. Yes there are a lot of other things I would have liked to see for Jisoo but the song is interesting at least. It could definitely be better but I don’t think it’s bad.
G DRAGON THE KING -
You put out your comment in such a perfect yet factful way!
You are not wrong
I agree with u so much omg 😂
With their Solos so far, one thing that's kinda bugged me is how... safe they are. Solo, Lalisa, Money, Flower, they are exactly what you'd expect from them, but not in a good way. Rosé probably had the most personal touches in her songs, and that shows in the lyricism and musicality of her songs, especially in Gone. I wouldn't call any of the songs bad, but there definitely is the feeling of being overhyped. The Paint-By-Numbers method BP's team has for their title releases, it works financially, but it doesn't necessarily produce interesting music.
BP is a very interesting group in the sense, that even though they are promoted as a Music Group, the vast majority of all of their professional activities has been everything and anything, but music. Blackpink is an aspirational brand more, than a music group. Considering the amount of money they make through it, I can't blame them for possibly feeling this is a fair trade.
Please watch the video by poonicorn about 2NE1, it's eye-opening. BP was created as nothing else but a better and safer version of them. That explains everything from the safe releases to their concept to the tight control from the label with almost no production involvement by the members and the Teddy formula. Really, it's a good watch and also from a perspective that most people don't even think of and kinda ignore. 😊
@@moongirl8807 I like Blackpink better
THIS ! I’ve been saying this since 2020 but at this point YGE can allow themselves to experiment with bp. They have EVERYTHING to do that: hype from the fans and media, solid fanbase, established name for themselves as a group AND as soloist. They can absolutely experiment with their sounds and concepts, genres everything but they don’t. People say that songs like AIIYL, lovesick girls or ice cream and stay were not as successful so they don’t need to do them anymore but they were successful still and are, for a lot of people, fan favorites. And this experiment has to include the involvement of the members in the music, not only outfits and concepts. Let them write and produce, if they can’t then teach them so they can take time to improve
I've also been saying the same for years. Not only in regards to their solos but their music in general. All their music and mvs feel and look the same. And although I enjoy and listen to some of them casually. None are that catchy or interesting and I feel like there is so much wasted potential. I think the reason they try to be safe is because of how as you mentioned "aspirational" BP became. They have a huge fanbase and that allows them to just give us average/lowkey mediocre effort to keep the money coming. They are basically a cash cow for YG and I wouldn't call any of them "artists" at this point. I know that they are talented and there is substance to explore but I do think that neither of them is that vocally skilled, their live singing abilities are very average IMO and therefore they don't want to risk it by giving them more technical interesting songs. That's why they keep going for these dry choruses most of the time. Look at a group like Mamamoo coming from a smaller company. They explore so many genres in their music and they are not afraid of breaking boundaries. Even the storylines of their mvs are fun. And they are true beasts on stage. Honestly BP has no excuse at this point. Even though they are controlled to a certain extent by YG they can still ask for more if they want to. YG depends on them at the end of the day.
For a group that talks so much about Girl Power, their entire discography screams that it was written by mostly men. Literal pseudo feminism packaged as female empowerment where most of the lyrics seem weird, tend to put down other women, seeking male gaze or....(unfortunately) plain bad. For such a talented group, I wish there were better people working in the background so the girls could do better with a lot more freedom than they're allowed.
Agreed. Those lyrics have always rubbed me the wrong way. Not to mention all the bragging in the songs. Like yeah we get it you’re rich. But rich people bragging abt being rich and having the ‘i’m better than everyone’ type lyrics is so weird to me
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Yesss!! This even reflects in their choreos. Two examples I can think of right now is
1. Lisa holding a female backup dancer on a leash and controlling her (either Pink Venom or Shut Down) and
2. her being lifted on a throne by male dancers and being surrounded by them, while the female dancers kneel in front of her and raise their arms as if to pray to/praise her (Lalisa or Money).
Boombayah is very undignified, male-gazy, and not empowering. Feeling each other up as part of choreo (hands on hips while standing in a line - it was like a Magic Mike (female version), leaning back into each other's crotches while sat on the floor. Lisa being a 19 year old dressed in a high school cheerleading type outfit saying 'I need a man', while she squats on the floor with her legs spread. Boombayah was BlackPink's debut where YG promoted them as a 'girl crush' group. Girl crush means that the target audience is young women, but Boombayah seemed like it's target audience was perverted men.
@@reecegraham6921 you must not be aware that bragging and braggadociousness is one of tge most common themes in rap...along other cliches. And since BP is a YG group that heavily focuses on rap they're gonna lean in into rap stereotypes that are commonly used in the west - this is how genuine hiphop is in the west and YG is nothing but an immigration of western rap vulture. What many bp fans complain about (maybe y'all are asians and from a different culture that doesn't understand it) is actually the one thing about bp doing rap is authentic. Because the rappers of the group not writing their own material isn't authentic and something they'd get clowned for in the west. In any case this is just the way hiphop and rap is and YG is primarily a rap and hiphop gocused company as seen by the previous group's discography, so they're gonna do what is common to rap. Just bc they're a kpop group you're expecting them to be more like other kpop groups so you're disappointed
As for original commenter - when did Blackpink or YG ever claimed for this group to be a girl power type of group? It never ever gave that impression with their music. If you listen to western music you'll see common paralells - like leaning into a bad ahh concepts and girlcrush. Girl crush never claimed to be fem inist. Idk how y'all come to these conclusions but if you don't like the content the group puts out then go find another group? There's literally hundreds of groups in kpop. Y'all come into a group with certain preferences and expectations and expect the group to mold to your preferences insted of it beibg the other way around, where you pick a group to follow based on them being closes to what your preferences are. It's like setting out to follow a pop punk band and being upset they don't sing r&b. Go listen to women empowerment acts like Boa"'s woman then. Blackpink is nothing more than girl crush and that's that
It honestly makes me sad how after 7 years and so much anticipation, THIS was what we got for Jisoo's solo. Not to mention that after all these years, they only ever got like 1-3 songs each. These girls just deserve so much better. :/
Also not to mention that they only gave Jisoo her solo DURING the tour and not before so she had to do a cover for her solo stage. I only listen to BP casually but I don’t understand why the fans weren’t enraged by that.
jennie deserves better, she got the worst hate train just because she debuted first despite having the least number of songs
Jennie as a main rapper has more singing to do in her solo than Jisoo because most of the song is the beat and the ending is her saying "hey hey hey" and you can't even count that as lyrics... I've waited for 7 years for my bias to have a song and both of them are empty beat drops.. I wanted to hear her unique vocal color shine and got this :((
@@sara-os5yz actually blinks were quite enraged and upset at YG ....they had been delaying her solo due to her drama work.....so there was an immense pressure on YG to release the MINI-ALBUM....due to the pressure and hype around her solo , ig they released it during the tour. otherwise it would've come out even later.
G DRAGON KING ,,,
I asked so many people if 'all eyes on me' sounds like 'ready for love' and everybody said NO! finally found someone who thinks the same.
I knew it sounded familiar but didn’t realize it until this comment. Totally agree though now that too mention it
It was OBVIOUS!!! AEOM has the exact same dynamics as RFL
No it doesn't
Maybe U just listening to ready for love 🤣
Honestly, All eyes on me melody line kinda recalls that meme song: Dance till you die, with the dog dancing lol
@@elizaearhart4533 SAME
Bibi's Vengeance, Hwasa Maria, Sunmi Gashina Pporappipum, Yooa bon voyage abracadabra these songs are perfect..Yooa came from a small company , even her bsides are amazing superb fantastic, I personally really liked abracadabra. Then I dont understand Blackpink is the biggest girl group in this world right now, they got years of hiatus, have the best company, yet their songs sound like they were written and produced in 30 minutes, and their chorus parts are so empty...like these girls are top celebrities now, dont give them kids bops with weird lyrics...say lalisa love me lalisa love me what even is that, 50 percent of their songs are just empty instrumentals, now i really understand why fans are so angryy, the girls even said it took them long time to debut solo cuz they wanted the perfect song 😐 really?
The only good solo song from blackpink is probably Jennie's You&Me
@@moazenmyracle This is a basic pop song…
@@ayapalerme5870 But at least it doesn't have empty chorus tho. I think the chorus of You and Me is good in my opinion. Also they put the rap part in the last part of the song, not in the middle like many other BP songs. But I agree that You& Me is not the best solo. The best is Gone imo.
Also, I do have to say, with regards to the whole "most expensive video" statement for Flower...it's filmed in Universal Studios. And while that doesn't explain shit, it does line up with the fact that YG said the same thing for TREASURE's Jikjin m/v, and it was basically just shot at a hotel and contained a lot of cars. So to me, when YG says "this video's really expensive guys", it's *implicitly* expensive, by which the brands, the labels, the locations they work with are what's expensive. Not how it looks, not the filming, it's what they had to buy. Did they make good use of it? No, but it's expensive, and to YG that's all it takes to label it as such.
i actually like treasure and jikjin, but in all honesty, the mv felt like a dance practice with some added beauty shots.
i don't understand why yg always brags about spending money on it's groups? that's the least you should do!!
@@bangtanboysbeforehoes I think it’s bc (especially for bp) they are known to create crazy good aesthetic and shots for each member and song. So saying “we got even more money” is just to build hype and people will think that it’s going to be even better. But they’ve done better with less money so idk kinda dumb on their part
It got really annoying when Blinks were using it to praise Jisoo when it's irrelevant because the MV was boring, so much money wasted on a perfume commercial when they could've done better
My relationship with Blackpink’s music is complex. I think the thing that people can’t really pin point is the reason their music falls behind for them is because of how “incomplete” it is. There isn’t enough music. There’s little to no bold experimentation. There’s not really that much growth (well not in the way that I think people want). Scroll to the bottom for the tl:dr because this is gonna get long.
Jisoo’s solo is very telling about how yg and their producers have failed them time and time again. Though Flower is my favorite out of all the solos done by the pinks, it’s still held back by the formulaic nature that is Blackpink’s music.
Blackpink’s music has not matured. It’s just as fun and generic as it was when they debuted. I’m going to plug in Twice and Red Velvet here to get my point across as they have matured in vastly different ways.
Twice began as very up-beat, cheerful, cutesy and bubblegum. Slowly through their career and as the members have gotten older, their music “grew up” with them. They aren’t doing and will probably never do a song like cheer up in the same way that they did when it came out. Twice are trying something different and although this new style of their’s and their most recent releases aren’t really my favorite, I respect them for having the courage to try something new and grow as a team.
Red Velvet on the other hand has been experimental since their rookie days. They’ve never done the same thing twice and I would say none of their songs seem dated or out of place. Red Velvet managed to stay true to themselves and try something new each and every time they released a new song. Having that red and velvet concept has probably help aid them in being able to keep their music fresh, leaving something for everyone to enjoy.
When Nayeon debuted solo, she debuted as herself. Pop doesn’t seem quite like something Twice would do as a group. She was able to separate herself from Twice while still being able to be recognized as a member of Twice. Same with the members of Red Velvet and their solos. To bring it back to Blackpink, their solos don’t really give off that same energy. Quite frankly, all of them except gone and maybe flower and hard to love is technically just a Blackpink song with one member singing. The only way I think the Blackpink members would truly flourish as individuals is if they find different producers. They need something different and while I think shut down was a step forward (maybe) it still wasn’t enough. Even more collaborations with different artists could help them find a new direction.
YG need Blackpink more than Blackpink needs YG and if they play the cards right, I’m sure we’ll continue to see Blackpink as they are.
Tl:dr I like Blackpink’s music but the only way for them to grow and flourish as a group and as individuals is for them to find new producers, experiment with their music and collaborate with different artists.
The way you typed this out is absolutely amazing and the examples are literally perfect I agree with everything said here and I have been meaning to make a list of the things YG should do differently for Blackpink in the future for them to truly be at the highest peak they can be but once again great comment all around :)
I agree with all the things you said here. The thing YG should do right now for Blackpink is to hire new producers for them and let them experiment with music more. As a Blink sometimes I’m really jealous with Twice and Red Velvet’s discography and in my wildest dream I really wish that one day BP would have a song like Psycho but it’s definitely not gonna happen anyways. BP really does have two concepts : Black and Pink. But YG, Teddy and his producers team don’t really know how to use the concepts well and apply it to their discography. At least we have seen some of their growth in music with the Born Pink album with those great B-side like The Happiest Girl, Tally and Hard to Love, but we desperately want more mature and diversity within their discography to show their true potential and to take them to the highest peak as the biggest girl group of the world.
I disagree about Nayeon’s Pop, I can totally see Twice doing it at least on their earlier days. Every group has a member that embodies the soul of the group, and for Twice, that’s Nayeon…
@@star12341998 Nayeon embodies 2015 to 2019 Twice (cute concept). Not Twice's whole career. Nayeon's voice hasn't transitioned as well as e.g Jeongyeon's voice, into their newer concepts.
@@Ri57490 To me the soul of Twice is still their 2015 to 2019 era and that’s why I said Nayeon embodied Twice. When i think of Twice, their 2015 to 2019 concept made a stronger impression than their current one.
This video was so refreshing to watch. It’s nice to hear someone speak their honest opinions about BLACKPINK. This video is living proof you can criticise music without just straight up dragging the group members💀
Refreshing to watch??his whole channel just hate on blackpink.blackpink are his bread and butter 😢
@@hmmmk7630 Tell me you're a toxic blink that refuses to listen to any criticism without telling me 💀He didn't talk shit about blackpink in this video at all, in fact he even mentioned how he loves Jisoo's voice and was looking forward to her solo AND that he would've liked her solo if not for the very bad chorus. Which as a Jisoo bias who also has been waiting for a solo, is a very common thing I've seen many fans agree on, the song 100% could've been better, but it had to be Teddy-fied. Throughout the whole video he praises blackpink and their voices several times, but criticized mainly the production of Teddy and how Blackpink would do better without him. That is far from ''he just hated on blackpink!".
True ''hate'' would be starting the video and saying blackpink is trash, all members are trash and they should disband. Not someone calling out how a lot of songs are ruined by Teddy production wise, the MV's are indeed boring and don't really do much for the girls, and how he hopes Blackpink can get away from Teddy and produce more music that also fits them better. A ''hater'' would not be wishing for MORE success the group, now would they? Stop acting like criticism is hate.
@@yulana990 1-3 video is understandable but 99% of his video only saying Against bp.
Also all his most viewed are from bp..no wonder he loves using Becz it's bread and butter for him
@@hmmmk7630 are we looking at the same channel? he's only made two long form videos on blackpink in MONTHS, one being this video and the other from 8 days ago. (with tons of non BP related content getting much more views..) it's not difficult to scroll through for a second and fact check that lmao
@@hmmmk7630 What are you on bro?😭 This channel does so so much more than just hate on Blackpink, which btw in what world are these videos considered hate? It’s just someone being honest about how they feel and he shouldn’t have to shut up just because you say so. And a lot of his statements are refreshing to hear because there’s always blinks like you out there that call any kind of criticism blind hate. Maybe if you actually became more open minded about other’s opinions, you wouldn’t be so offended all the time.
Finally, someone said it. Don't even get me started on those English raps in all of their Japanese songs... "Bitch Imma Star, but no Patrick"... I'm laughing even now bro like please someone never let Teddy write raps ever again. The girls deserve better than Teddy's attempt at Hip-Hop and R&B. And if they do resign, let the girls write and produce and find other producers, plz!!!
True I’m a hard core blink and even though teddy has produced some amazing things I would want them to try something new or to start writing and producing more music. Atleast like 2 comebacks a year with a FULL album (more than 8songs) plz yg 😭
I mean, yall pick and choose, teddy has had two lyrics that made no sense in blackpinks entire career, but he's getting dragged for a lyric of a Japanese version of song released 5 years ago. Smh
He's made nice lyrics with nearly 16 songs since that release.
@@wajeehasajad8888 i think only whistle and stay had nice lyrics, so yeah its not just "two lyrics that made no sense"
I say let the girls write the raps parts please
Lmao, I remember the first time I heard that verse and I'm like whuuut?? Like, okay Patrick Star is dumb but a very loyal bestfriend.
Also it's not Teddy who wrote the English rap in the D4 Japanese version, it was Bekuh Boom. Most of the stupid English rap verses came from her anyways lol
2 things
The sentiment around Jennie's solo is very sweet. I've noticed a lot fan criticism of her solo debut's timing come from an empathetic standpoint, thinking of how she was feeling due to all the harassment she was getting. But from the perspective of any business in the 21st century, YG included, attention is currency regardless of whether it's positive or negative. Other conspiracies around the timing aside, I would bet Jennie was 'thrown to the wolves' because at that point anything associated with her was guaranteed to blow up. So, while the release was a poor decision from an empathetic/human standpoint, it was a great business decision because of the amount of attention it would (and did) receive.
Second, I wouldn't be surprised if a fair chunk of the budget for Jisoo's Flower MV was spent on costumes. Given she is a brand ambassador of a number of luxe brands like Cartier and Dior (With Dior even receiving pretty prominent product placement in the MV's intro) she's almost definitely dressed top to toe in designer for each costume change. Not to mention jewelry and accessories.
Wouldn't she get costumes and jewelry for free as the brand ambassador? Or at least as a temporary loan?
@@maeglina9687 Typically jewelry and pieces like that from the vaults and archives would be rented out and also probably insured. She may be a Brand Ambassador but Dior is going to protect their assets. These pieces are a huge deal.
So they're influencers who sing . It doesn't really matter what song it is because fashion and beauty are the main point . I love how fans dismissed the music part and jumped straight into saying ' omg , she is so beautiful in that dress ' , ' She is so elegant ' , ' the outfit ' etc,. here and there, some tone deaf fans remember to say ' I like the song , it suits her voice ' . In reality, they're so distracted by the visual that their ears became deaf . The songs are not good , they're just decent . But decent became sh*tty if you got that again and again . A tired Blink here and I'm out .
@@usagi009 Yes and you are surprised ? Welcome to kpop industry. Idols have always be pretty people who do this and that. If you are talented it’s a must, but not an obligation.
No visual = No success
@@ayapalerme5870 I hear you but BP is the only group that has been MUCH more of an influencer than a musician. Look at the groups who *make music* like Mamamoo, G-IDLE, even younger ones like IVE, NMIXX, and new jeans
These are MUSICIANS and performers. The reason BP can slide with relatively easy choreos, shallow mv concepts, bad concert outfit choices is because the company rides on the BP name. They literally do not have to try. I love BP, they’re what got me out of a dark time and into the rest of k-pop so they’ll always have a special place but I’m tired of the narrative. Absolutely nothing against the girls but I just hate how *blatantly* they’re puppets. It’s like they don’t know how to speak for themselves bc they’ve been picked up at such an early age and essentially divided from society. They as musicians lack a lot of crucial skills bc YG stunted their growth
Actually me personally, I think Rosé’s solo is the best! On the grounds lyrics are such a heavy subject that probably a lot of idols go through! It’s one of those songs that makes you see Rosé on such emotional level and every time I listen to it I get teary eyed. Mera made a video explaining it better than me so probably watch that if you’re interested :)
I agree, otg might not be the best musically but I love that song so much for its lyrics and I love rosè :(
@@swyou2019same!!!
Agree on the ground is the best one for me
G DRAGON KING ,
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The issue with bp in general is the pretentiousness of their tracks. Not all idols have to have songs with substance to be good but when you have a group that you promote in a particular alpha female manner, there has to be some background for that narrative to not fall flat. Female power and empowerment has had its fairly long journey. But for girls from rich and privileged families a flex about their bank account just doesn't account for their journey, their tribulations, their growth etc. Am especially tired of how growth is never encouraged in female stories (not just bp but a common throughout the entertainment industry). The only growth that is shown is at most going from a damsel in distress to taking a revenge. Thereby the portrayal of women in general is very one dimensional and am sick of it. What about sociopolitical opinions? Philosophical viewpoints? Thinking apart from the trend? Etc. Thus I hate what people praise to be female power.
Then comes the solos. With respect to my previous statements, almost all members have showcased some area of skill and character that has potential to be explored. Eg. Lisa's films show so much more of her capabilities than her solos. The first thing they must do is stop obsessing with best rapper=fast verses and give her songs like the dance cover she did on 'tomboy'. That is a song that fits into Lisa's vocal range, her rapping style, her voice and aura. In this way, she as a skilled individual can explore so much more than just cringe 'I am something' lines and basic dance moves. Like that's the worst. The choreo for her solos. Like is that really all you are gonna give the skilled dancer Lisa?
Then Rose. I recall watching her in the show 'sea of hope' and bruhh. I was in love with her voice. She is in no way a strong vocalist since a vocalist requires being technically sound and skilled. But as a singer, oh my. She has that voice and modulation of words that is capable of making an already good song shine even better. Infact I prefer her 'only exception' above the original due to the vulnerability in her voice (she is like jimin). And that is the sign of a good singer. Singers with unique vocal tones always have a space in any industry because technical skills can be trained but that alone may not touch all listeners. Her solos need to start giving her tracks that really show of that capability and honestly such tracks are not hard to make. 'Otg' infact lyrically talks about pretty dark stuff. If only it's musicality hit the right notes. The closest that hit her tone musically is 'gone'!
Jisoo. She has a mysterious elegance that I honestly feel like they tried to explore but didn't fully succeed. Her solo is the only one I felt like they atleast tried to understand her focal point. The song musically has so much lost potential. An extended bridge, a less funky chorus and a free falling outro would have made the song less forgettable. That would also have given the potential to extend the lyrical narrative that can explore her story. The worst was the visuals. Its only now I heard they spend a high budget cause huhh? I thought it was the opposite. All they did was beauty shots. She with her acting experience could have explored SO MUCH. She was remotely phenomenal in her acting but she wasn't bad. She was lucky enough to get a drama with such an engaging plot line (I watched the show on air and I was so thrilled). And for such an intense show with skilled actors she atleast didn't fall flat. So why beauty shots? Give her more acting exposure through her solos.
Finally jennie. The one I to date have no idea what her standpoint is. The most I can gather is her influencer type capabilities. Which can have a lot of negatives but honestly not everyone can give of that vibe. Which means she can explore a lot of strong societal themes in her songs and has the presence to give it of. And yet again they have never helped her explore it and neither had she taken the initiative to. Even the bare minimum of a little information over a brand you attend. The number of times I have cringed with her akward answers about a brand or her music inspite being the focal point of the show. She feels like the kind that could be the main representative of bp if bp stopped doing such cringe topics but I am still yet to know whether her persona is just one for the narrative and is not much of her inherent skill. I would like to believe the former cause I genuinely wanna know more about her beyond the contreversies that YG seems to not care for.
The bottomline is to stop treating the girls like puppets and help them prove the narrative they keep promoting!
Well said i have to say 👏
this was a good read
This is so well written damnnn
I want to print this comment out on a giant billboard right on top of YG's office
I honestly enjoyed reading this so much 😭
I think Rose is the only one who can stand alone and stay in the music industry.. I love them all. But her solo is the only one that felt... human? Real? I still listen to OTG & Gone. The others' solos were not to the point that I was playing it all the time.
A certain song can not tell their future:')
@Psykhe I think a few can(?) Like to show their potential. We have yet to get a full album of them solo. I'm just saying based on what's available to us now. Rose has a ton of solo covers available . She has more music to base my opinion on. I think they are all equally talented. But it's clear that the others have modeling & acting as their main goal. Which is 100% fine! But it's obvious that Rose will continue with music in the future, but the others possibly won't.
i agree. she seems to be the only one who actually cares for the music and message
Jennie SOlo Reach 300M in just 6 months and Rosè still stuck in 300m views lol😅
@hmmm k it's not about popularity, it's about actually wanting to do music as a solo artist. She could get 1 billion views but that doesn't make someone better than the other. Baby shark as more than her 💀 doesn't make them more talented.
15:39 Finally, someone who mentioned Lalisa's first rap section (and reading it out made it all the worse)-
The uncalled for "flintstones" line really was the dealbreaker 💀😭
no bc everyone says that shit is fire 😭😭💀💀
@@chodenugget3350 Fire as in it is so hot trash that ts burst into flames 😭💀
@@chodenugget3350 I'm not gonna lie, when I heard the solo and was hype for the song, I was like "ok slay" and after listening to it more, those lyrics had me cringing for days. They really need to get a better lyricist for their raps smh
I REALLY wished that Jisoo had some traditional korean instrumentals in her solo esp after the finding out all the little details of korean culture in her concept/teaser pictures. Maybe I was foolish to expect so much from YG 😭
I would LOVE to hear their stories in music form. like what bts did when they started their solo journeys; their beginnings, anger towards the industry, thoughts during covid, fear of losing love for their music, their fame becoming shackles, how they low-key wanna go back to their beginnings when things were much simpler; I wanna hear bp sing about these things. I wanna hear their stories GODDAMMIT and I KNOW they have interesting stories to tell.
I wanna hear about how jisoo trained among exceptionally talented people, did she feel left out? did she wanna quit and go back to acting? what about her affection towards the other girls as the oldest? did she ever feel out of place? has she overcome those insecure feelings?
I wanna hear about jennies life as a punching bag. what was going through her mind in 2018 especially? how did she hold on? was it difficult to get out of bed? did she feel like she was losing control over her own life? has she overcome those obstacles? how has she then? who were the people by her side who gave her a reason to smile? how about her childhood with just her mom in New Zealand?
I wanna hear about rosè and her journey to idol life. she's the member who's been very open about her love for making music so was she ever scared that that would be taken from her if she became an idol? how was she adjusting to her new life in another country? how did she carry on without her family? how did her members fill that void? does she feel constricted by not being able to put out her music? does it scare her that she'll lose her touch?
I wanna hear about Lisa's journey as a Thai idol. how was the change for her? what was she bottling up? did she wanna go back sometimes? was learning a new language, culture and lifestyle frustrating? how does it feel like being the youngest and being taken care by three older sisters? how did she fall in love with the art that is dance? where does she see herself in the future?
so many stories. and yet they're simply rotting away. sad.
I really like your comment. Imo on the ground, love to hate me, shut down and you never know are the songs that address what you are asking for the closest.
The difference between BTS and BP is that Bang PD had a lot of trust in his group even though he wasn't sure they would make it, as opposed to YGE (being a big 3 company) just creating another group they think might be as successful as their seniors, but not really planning to do much with them. I feel like everybody needs to understand that BP is still under their first contract and we don't really know the details of it. They have expressed time and time again that they want to have more comebacks, but if that's not the company's plan what do you expect them to do? If they happen to renew and nothing changes then clearly they are okay with what has occurred but I'm sure with the leverage that they have achieved rn some changes will be made.
Or they just happen to be women who lost their teenage years to a harmful training system and are content just making fun EDM music in their 20's lol. Either way, we are just consumers of said music and I don't understand why ppl don't just ignore them if it's not their cup of tea? There are plenty of artists I don't care for who are mainstream but I don't seek out hate content/content in general about them to offer "criticism". It's literally a waste of energy and time but I guess that's just me.
I love this comment because it pinpoints my exact problem with how YG has decided to promote Blackpink. I've been following them since 2016 but I feel like I don't know them like I do with my other bias group. Their entire career has been so surface level that I find it difficult to be a fan. As a fan you want a whole loaf of bread or at least one slice, not CRUMBS. But that is what YG and Blackpink are giving.
How are bp gonna make songs about their 'struggles' like BTS when all of them came from rich families and debuted from a big 3 company?? 💀
@Epiphany where in my comment did I mention I want them to sing about a made up financial crisis? 💀 I just asked for their story. and struggles come in different forms,, not just financial
@@ly_sea it's not about money but influence. The only reason why their basic music got so popular was because of the influence their company had. The members wouldn't even had gotten selected in the group if they didn't come from influential families. That's why they don't have to struggle for their music to become successful and that's why I'm pretty sure they like their current position so what 'different' struggles are they gonna want to write about?
Here are my thoughts.
Personally I think Jennie's Solo was great but why in the world would they have her go solo at such a terrible time?
It's so sad that it took so long for the other members to get solos. And popularity isn't a reason because if that were true Lisa would have gone solo a lot sooner.
And personally I liked Jisoo's solo (not loved by any means) but I don't think this should have been the song she went solo with. But of course Teddy was lazy and couldn't think of anything better.
The problem with Teddy's formula isn't even really repetition, it just doesn't work anymore. He can't think of any more catchy melodies, hard hitting raps, catching beats for the chorus, addicting party choruses. We can barely blame him because he's clearly burnt out and YG keeps having him make music anyway. But seriously YG, get someone else. If Teddy weren't burnt out we wouldn't have Flower.
I wholeheartedly agree with this
That’s honestly a great point. Teddy can make good music but he’s 100% burnt out
Im sorry, but that’s crazy that this dude is burned out and they barely release music😭
Maybe he writes for other groups, but there’s no way he’s burnt out from BlackPink when they have comebacks once in a blue moon
@@kaydence9799 blackpink not having many comebacks is caused by burn out and burn out doesn't only happen with constant comebacks
Blackpink loves to play it safe regardless of the consumer demand and it shows in every release, group or solo. Playing it safe is obviously safe but gets boring and forgettable pretty soon.
I think I need an expounding on 'Blackpink became what BTS could have become'.
You always keep things real! :)
My fav solo is Rosé’s; maybe bc it sounds so different from BP’s other work and bc you can truly feel those melancholic emotions through her voice and the lyrics.
Seriously, they hyped up Jisoo's solo so much as "their most expensive MV" but what they meant was most expensive locations. I felt very little passion with the sets, the camerawork, the editing, and direction of the MV. The fact it had "Chapter 1" titles but having no plotline at all just makes me laugh. The outfits are nice tho.
I know this would never have happened under YG but I would've really preferred if the Blackpink members had debuted with full EPs, like the Red Velvet members and Twice members have been doing. With only 1-2 songs, I feel it makes these releases very easy to forget about because there's nothing really substantial there! YG has the budget and resources to do this but they CHOOSE not to. With 5-7 songs on the tracklist there is room to experiment, room for meaning. The artist can show different sides of themselves and aspects of their personality on the different songs. I listen to albums like 28 Reasons by Seulgi or IM Nayeon by Nayeon and I feel like I know who those people are as artists. We get very little of that with Blackpink.
Well YG will have to step up their game soon. Look at IVE's album, it's amazing and I'm not even their fan. Le sserafim are also coming back with a full length album and I don't doubt one bit it's going to be just as good in terms of versatility and members' writing credits. I hope YG are planning something different with BM because they can't be doing the same boring stuff when the market is where it is right now. This year will be crazy, NJ, XG, IVE, Lesserafim, Aespa and many more (and that's not even mentioning gg from smaller companies😮 or groups like Nmixx finally getting quality music).
I genuinely think YG uses music videos to embezzle money. Like they keep claiming they’re making these insanely expensive music videos and when they finally come out I’m like ???? Where did all of the budget go??? Like I seriously think the jikjin mv was just an excuse for the company to buy a bunch of sports cars. There’s just something so shady about YG
YG is a money laundering company probably
Bro, even in post production it's very very very basic editing
It's not surprising.Yg have always been money minded.Back Back then, Yg used up all of BP tour money and the scandal with Lisa and her manager.
Lisa's solo totally overshadowed rosé's solo and dammit rosé's was soooo much better! (Ps- lisa is my bias) both lalisa and money were quite forgettable in my opinion. It would've been better if there was more gap between both of the album's releases.
I enjoy jennie's solo a lot but no doubt the timing was really bad.
I am still not sure if I like jisoo's solo. What I know is that I am definitely disappointed.
Well all this won't stop me from rooting for the girls.. just hope they get better with their music.
Money became viral with the squid game edit and then got forgotten, she deserved better ngl
@@swyou2019 money definitely wasn't forgettable, it's going to beat blackpinks songs to become their first one to hit a billion in streams on spotify. Is their biggest one on shazam. On youtube, gonna soon surpass butter to become the biggest kpop song released in 2021, despite being a performance video, sold a million in US, holds all 4/5 streaming weeks, even after plenty of huge solo debuts. Definitely the biggest solo in blackpink.
@@wajeehasajad8888 doesn’t make it good
@@savsybunny7955 not Lisa bias but Money is still better than Rosé both songs combine.
Idk Why this stereotype of
Most views=overrated,not good blah blah
Least views= Deserves better,underrated
OtG is most boring just becz It has better lyrics doesn't make it good enough..
@@wajeehasajad8888 thats bcs Lisa is popular but now you rarely see someone mentioning any of Lisa's song. Big fandom stream non stop, not organically listen bcs they remember the song fondly even months after. Thats why those hit big numbers but once a new song come out they move to the other to stream that one.
If they weren't called "the biggest gg in the world" I'd care even less because they're solo's that'd just be kicked to the side if done by anyone else but because these "broke records" despite being absolutely mid...
My thoughts on Jisoos single "flower" is the song, melody and Jisoos vocals were very good to me, MV was great, Jisoo looked amazing. What made the song underwhelming was the instrumental and production. It sounded empty and unfinished in parts. Like it was missing something, so I did like the song I just think they let her down in making it the bop it had the potential to be.
I feel like Rose had the best solo of all 4 members
man if i were jennie i would be more excited to perform my own song than the other blackpink songs not because they’re bad but we all know they got a little tired of performing the same songs when they didn’t have many songs jennie specifically showed that she’s tired at times. i love solo, i think it was really well executed like i’m still not over it, when everyone was shitting on jennie and hating on her debut i was there for her !! that’s my sister over there ! people at the time were saying it was unfair to give jennie a solo but now in retrospect i think it was unfair for jennie, sure solo is iconic but the other blackpink members solo debuted when blackpink’s name was much bigger and they received much more praise. also she’s the only one to have one song while the others have 2, give jennie a comeback !! on the ground and gone did nothing for me 🥲 i wanted to love them but they just didn’t do it for me which really hurt me because jennie and rosé were my bias line in bp, i know the lyricism is good but it doesn’t make me feel anything. lalisa and money, i see the vision, she slayed but this isn’t the music that’s for me, lisa’s tone in lalisa is just so
to think jennie was supposed to debut with an album but the hate was so bad that yg made her debut with only a song and a photobook ☹️ jennie deserved to have a happy and supported debut like the others…
No she wasnt though she got hate after she relased solo ( which was sad and should jot have been the case she is amazing ) but she was always supposed to debut with only single song
@ags She got so much hate before her solo because of the dancing scandal, the solo made it worse.
@@yrbigfan she already received a ton of hate way before her solo debut. Her solo release just added fuel onto the fire, but it was already raging.
I am looking forward for her powerful album
@@unbelibubble4692 It was after the Kai dating scandal too
I like that when you critic their music, you give a detailed description of what you don't like and how it can improve! You are clearly very passionate about music and that's admirable.
"Solo" was such a insane era, one of my most vivid memories of kpop.
yeah loved it
Solo was really iconic because of Jennie having a song called solo while getting so much hate and ended up being successful
Weird he never mentioned Solo's achievements.
@@MGZetta 3:41
@@gabesvideosofficial "i stan blackpink but achievements doesn’t equal quality"
your opinion doesn't equal quality either. so relax. lmao.
I feel like the most frustrating thing about Blackpink is that YG has an almost endless amount of money and resources at their disposal but it goes to waste. There are so many smaller groups that are working their asses off that would kill to have even a fraction of those recourses to help create their vision. And often times these groups do end up creating some amazing work despite having almost nothing. Meanwhile we’ve been told time and time again that this new Blackpink music video is the most expensive yet but I have yet to see where that money is even going. We have groups like Loona and OnlyOneOf creating beautiful universes and stories through their art and not getting the time of day for such a long time, and then Blackpink releases the same music video and title track just remixed and get money thrown at them for it and all sorts of awards. Its even sadder because the girls are so talented but can barely even show it.
It's because YG is gambling and embezzling money, so they quickly make music they run out.
Moneys lyrics were so cringe, the production saved and CARRIED it
Moneys lyrics and amazing
@@aidenmc9803 in what universe, not even Megan Thee Stallion would make those sound good and she has some pretty weird lyrics.
Exactly! The lyrics are embarrassing but the rest carried the song
but lalisa was even worse tho 😭
@@sinforoso. can’t deny that 💀
did anyone else have an issue that a song called Lalisa, Lalisa had no involvement in the production
Yeah the irony
What’s the problem with that ? The only issue is that the song was globally mid.
@@ayapalerme5870 Because a song about herself should've had more of her own involvement, why get others to do 100% of the work.
@@zhisu2665 Arianna Grande doesn't write or produce her own songs, just like many other western artisrs so I see no issue. I'm pretty sure Lisa had her imput in her solos anyways, and it's evident - the fact Lalisa embraces her original ethnic name (in it's ethnic format and not her professional stage name that's shortened to a palatable western name) - the fact she wanted the chorus to be a chant of her name for fans to sing back to her, the fact that Lalisa MV encorporates nods to her Thai roots and culture - the fact that Money adresses two of her favourite thibgs: shopping aka "dropping bills on my a## tonight" and pole dancing 😂😂. And last but not least, her solos were rap heavy and hiphop focused since that seems to be her preference. she 100% had an imput or influence in the sense the song was tailored for her and her interests instead of picking a song irrelevant to her lifestyle. And she doesn't need to write herself in order to be able to sing about what she wants to. Her strength is dancing not music production and she gets to enjoy that whike somebody else gets to take care of the rest. Some of the biggest stars like Whitney Huston never wrote her own music yet they were massively big and respected
I loved Rose's solo and I somehow likes solo by jennie. But I physically cannot bring myself to listen to the other members songs.
I guess human beings truly are complex creatures cause I genuinely think its bad but there's people who also like it.
Well human beings have their own worlds, experiences which created their perspective especially taste of the song.
Interestingly I can't really listen to Rose's On the ground and Gone because to me it just sounds like generic 2010s American pop music
Solo is also my favorite by Jennie
Everyone has different taste in music
@@kikulele that just means you don't have a mature taste in music and lean more on pop and flashy songs
I hope that if they do renew, that they do with some guidelines, like having more creative input and control in their music, being able to work with other producers, having more music and longer albums, stuff like that . But idk I can’t imagine them doing that, sometimes it feels like they like how things are. Also, they really like teddy but teddy should encourage them more. In the documentary it shows him encouraging Rose. But he should actually involve them in the musical direction, at least lyrics wise because I think their ideas can add more personality and feel a bit more authentic, idk though.
The girls are so popular even if they don't do any of the things artists do . They are more of influencers who can sing than artists . So idk , they will try to show us they too are ' artists ' who can write one or two line of lyrics because Kpop just recently started to value authenticity and creativity.
Like you said, i feel mile they are happy with the way things are. They are literally living their best life, getting brand deals every 2 to 3 business days, attending fashion weeks every other month, covering famous magazines, hanging out with celebrities, they are socialites who got lucky that their music blew up. They probbably only show up to the studio once a year to record a new song and then wait for the producer to make another one. Why would they willingly give up the easy life to be stuck in a studio 24H writing and brainstorming some good lyrics while also learning to produce good songs? Specially when you know that Lisa and Jisoo dont have a real passion for music and probably wont be able to truly let their "artistc side" out because they dont have any. They just go with the flow and they signed up to be idols, let's leave the artistic expression for real artists who care about making music more than attending fashion shows and making them a top priority while only pushing music as a side hustle. Blackpink arent true artists so please stop expecting them to have a creative control over their music because from the way i stand, it seems to me like they're not that interested in making music and are enjoying the life as socialites/influencers
Gone is honestly such a good song; it’s on my sad playlist and I’ve cried to it before, which most english kpop songs don’t make me do
Kpop in general has never been about music . You couldn't go far with only good music in this industry . Music matter to a degree but LOOKS matter the most . Being pretty is key here . For that they'll be given massive fame even if they didn't work hard enough . Even by lifting a finger , people will give applause to them , ' oh so beautiful , so talented ' . Even if they're spitting toxic and trashy lyrics, people will worship them .
Their effort and artistry don't live up to the hype most of the time , they're just decent idols with really really beautiful visuals . Your eyes are being blessed just by watching them , for that no good music, no talents or no hard work is needed . Just put them on the screen and people will love them . That's how the pretty privilege works . It's a shame but no one could stop it .
People who don't have that kind of face and power have to work hard to death , dripping blood and sweat but still wouldn't be able to catch up to them , pretty idols who are doing just enough to pass as ' performers ' . Well, there are artists out there who are really good and successful and their hard work and talents can back them up . But there are still ' fans ' who are obsessed with looks and beauty .
Ok I won't deny that I watch them for their beauty but I don't listen to their music , for me they're just eyes cleanser , I watched them when I wanna see extremely beautiful girls .
We are living in a dystopian society .
The end .
K-Pop as a whole is a culture and culture sells a lot if its packaged in polished way to right demographics.
And speaking about trashy lyrics you mentioned, i don't really think they are educated or trained to be songwriter or composers anyway. They trained to be an "actor or actress of music" (read it as performers or idols) and let the other producers take a director seat. They are not designed to be auteur from very beginning. It's like sophisticated version of 50s-60s Hollywood to me or Disneyland.
Everything you wrote is painfully true
that's why kpop is an industry not a genre
A little off topic, bc I'm mad at Teddy for sticking with the same concept for 7 years hehe:
I always thought BP was making songs for woman to feel confident, but now I see I can't relate to it, because 90% of the time they sing how they're better than others (mostly girls). In comparison we now have Le Sserafim, who to me are all I wanted from BP since a long time... I'm FEARLESS, ANTIFRAGILE, UNFORGIVEN! Teddy, this is want you call a good concept for strong woman! I'm saying this because for the longest time BP were branded as as group of strong individuals who got as popular as male groups what was rare at the time, and huge congrats to them, but they're stuck in the past.
At this point I'm holding onto the sentiment to them for being my first kpop girl group...
Rosè has the best solo but i don't appreciate the ''sit still look pretty'' theme they have like you said "surface level"
They should just let them write and produce their songs
bold of u to assume that they all can write and produce lol, it's really not that easy and unless you have a miniml knowledge about musical notes/how to use a keyboard/ And being creative enough to come up with good beats, i dont think athe Blackpink members would be able to do that. For writing, I think it might work for Jennie and Rose because they, Lisa and Jisoo on the other hand, i dont think they'll be able to write something extraordinairy or even decent. Like Lisa's rap in Say So sounded like it was written by a middle schooler and the verse barely even made sense, she defeated the whole purpose of Rythm And Poetry and her english vocab is stuck on a tiktok/Stan Twitter level. And for Jisoo i dont think she realy is passionated enough about music to sit a whole day and try to come up with some lyrics on her own. The problem with blinks is that yall hype their abilities way too much and expect so many things from them even though they showed many times that they werent interested in writing and producing.
I wonder how 3/4 members got title track for their solos with no chorus. Honestly i never noticed much of idols life or persona but with blackpink being such influential group you could have easily gave 4 members 4 different concepts.
Jennie: she can have got that aesthetic bougie concept with her persona.
Lisa: with a strong rap song and good moves *not these generic hip moves given to her* she could have slayed so hard.
Rose: with her being gifted with such soothing voice you could have seen her in a soft girl next door concept and fall in love with her.
Jisoo: her vocal colours are a bit hard to work with but not impossible. I could see her in a mystery/thriller based mv and song that could help her voice in deep as well. With her acting experience a dark/thriller based mv had been so amazing.
But yg just never saw any potential in their solo with different themes god it's just disappointing at this point🗿
Literally' Solo' is the iconic one. Nd 'gone' is the song i listen to almost everyday.but the others r just 🙂
atleast you respect the blackpink member i think you wouldn't get jumped by those toxic side of the fandom.. have a great day and thank you for making the video i hope you will always support 4 of them
I just listen to the intro, and I still don't understand why people spend so much energy and time to hate on someone they don't know for just something as trivial as music... whatever just want to say that I really appreciate your videos even when I don't agree, but you have a way of presenting things that is really nice !
I just think, once again, their solo music is a classic example of companies underutilising an idols talents and strengths, for instance in Lalisa.....they legit made one of the best female hiphop dancers in kpop dance the driest choreo ive ever seen.
GONE is my favorite solo, i still listen to it regularly
Gone feels the most authentic and complex and true to rose ! The most artistic for me from all their solos
yg is the biggest obstacle to blackpink actually being good lmao
Solo and On the Ground is just iconic ❤
I've been struggling with the frustrations I have specifically for Jisoo's Flower music video and I think I finally found the words.
All the dancing shots feel like what I'd expect from a cover group going to a random outdoor intersection and getting their bud to record with their DLSR on a tripod. Uninteresting. Bland. Literally just lifeless. The lighting wasn't even good, nor was the framing. What in the world were they thinking?
Also can we talk about how Miyeon, the member of Blackpink who never made it into the debut lineup, has such a solid debut EP compared to all of them? That's just ironic. Drive was just such a solid debut song that showed her colors perfectly.
Ready for love and all eyes on me both sound exactly like the early Alan Walker songs back in 2015 😭😭
I love On the Ground. Rosé stood out @ Coachella
Finally someone that doesn’t see Solo as this outterbody experience I don’t understand why it’s still perceived as the best solo. I would rank them:
1. On the Ground
2. Flower
3. Solo
4. Lalisa
Strongly agree, Solo felt safe and generic when it came out imo - the remix performance from their online concert the show was great though, the concept was more cohesive and artistic and her charisma shined a lot - Solo at release felt like an obvious attempt at creating a hit in the footsteps of Gashina by Sunmi (which was also produced by Teddy). I kinda wish Jennie went for a darker sound and look (hope she has solo comeback) with a less repetitive chorus
To me their solos are not about music, just about visual
BP was what got me into KPOP in the first place like 5 years back. But now 5 years later I can't say they did anything since I knew about them. It's like they are stuck back in 2018...
Rosé's solo touched me more than the rest of the solos.
I got into Kpop because of “Money” From Lisa, I was wondering if she had more music and clicked in her profile in Spotify and then my Journey began
Same with me❤ I knew K-pop was becoming very popular with BTS blowing up and everything but money was the first K-pop song I actually enjoyed. Though tbh, as time passed, the bad lyricism made it sound cringe to me but I still respect the song for being fun for a moment.
I really love watching honest reviews about kpop groups. And tbh, I'm looking for a honest review about bp and thankfully I found this one. And I must say, I agree to you big time! More honest reviews to come!!
Will be watching no matter what
i really hope rosie leaves yg and starts working with more western songwriters, so that she can work on it and really thrive as an artist. she could become an amazing songwriter and artist, which i just dont see with her staying in the kpop industry.
you literally summed up all my feelings about BP in one video. I've been casually following since their debut, and while as celebrities and influencers BP's charisma and brand is undeniable, I don't want to listen to any of their music. I remember in the late 10s when they'd been around for a few years and all they had were like 5 songs that had been played to death, it was already a bit suss. I kept watching each release and each project but all of them have felt lacklustre and with any other group or company would have been flop or mid comebacks. credit to the girls for doing so well with what they had (song wise), but unfortunately (to a casual kpop fan like me, not a blink) it feels like rose is the only member that even cares about songwriting and production. when other groups that have debuted around the same time or after have released so much more interesting, meaningful and listenable music, it's hard not to feel they're overhyped with an amazing pr team and charisma but little substance as a music fan. i'll continue casually keeping up with bp, but man, the moment I heard the chorus for flower.... anyway, it's been many years and counting but I really just want better from and for them
If I remeber correctly it's Bekuh Boom who writes the english raps for the girls. In genius website for Icecream, she had commented how much she thought of Lisa when she wrote that "Mona Lisa kinda Lisa" line. I think she has a great role in the eng raps.
Banish that woman from kpop
I AGREE WITH U ON EVERYTHING word for word (well almost )
Honestly jisoo solo title track is just 50% instrumentals and 20% her singing,also it’s not just you legit someone did a mashup of ready for love and all on eyes on me on TikTok and I couldn’t believe how well it fitted the ready for love instrumentals it was crazy and honestly felt like the budget went into the dresses then mv general just felt so empty besides just jisoo looking “pretty” like yg has just a knack for these kind of things but they did showed each members colors through their solo well cause Jisoo solo screams jisoo and for other members as well but when it comes to the songs there is barely any good ones out of the solos just some gems like gone
Jennie's Solo is my fav 🥰
19:35 to the question why was the MV so expensive: it looks like it was shot on film and using film cameras is usually WAY more expensive than shooting digital since not only you have to pay for the rolls, developing and scanning them but also the proces requires different lighting etc.
With that said, I personally loved the Flower MV because it looked so unusual compared to other kpop MVs. Normally you would have the dancing scenes shot dynamically, with a lot of camera movement and close-ups and here those were really static so when I've watched it for the first time it felt like sth was off. The editing is a huge factor in why I admire this MV so much. You don't focus as much on cool transitions as you do on Jisoo, her subtle movements and facial expressions (and she's amazing at conveing emotions). Honestly it feels very cinematic to me, like watching a main character in a movie!
I just watched jisoo live performance singing flower and felt so sad that yg can't see the potential because she sung so good live. I think yg was joking when he said its the most expensive because money performance video looked more good and expensive than Flower mv.
i think it went to the outfits and the location
@@silque575 yes
I just hate soooooooooooo much when an artist uses their name for their song. Nevermind a "debut".
I appreciate your honesty and not being scared to annoy blinks. And i agree they need to stop using teddy for every song
I still don't understand why all BP songs (and the solos) dont' have choruses with actual lyrics. It's either a instrumental "chorus" or a chorus where they repeat the same phrase over and over.
I heard somewhere (This may not be 100% true) but Rosé had her solo ready for 1-2 years before it released, but YG didn’t want to release it so she was forced to hide her solo.
I need more ‘beautifully lyrical’ songs from them. All Eyes On Me, Gone, Hard To Love and On The Ground had beautiful lyrics. I get that Solo and Lalisa talks about their own name (Jennie and ‘Lalisa’) and their own image but if Rosé could express herself and her journey without exaggerating her fame and success, I’m sure the rest could do the same too.
I actually had some hopes for better music in terms of the production and lyrics after Lovesick Girls was released. In my opinion, this was easily the top few favourites of the pink’s discography. Reading the lyrics while listening to their vocals shine was simply beautiful. They may not have the best vocals but they are able to express their emotions easily with the different vocal tones which adds more depth to the music, eg. Rosé’s higher tone contrasting with Jisoo’s lower tone and Jennie’s unique technique of pronouncing certain words with Lisa’s softer tone while singing.
Personally, I would rather prefer music that may be boring for some with meaningful lyrics that we can relate to than music that talks nothing but fame and pure savagery towards the haters and shit like that. After listening to the full version of Ready For Love, I was really excited for their future comebacks. Ready For Love was obviously a continuation of Lovesick Girls, showing how despite the toxic and frustrating relationship they had to go through, after some time they are ready to face love once again. They can potentially have a storyline if we look at their previous comebacks such as Playing With Fire, As If It’s Your Last and Kill This Love. If we connect the songs lyrically, there is a progression and storyline that can be followed through.
I was genuinely upset after reading the lyrics for Pink Venom and Shut Down. I get that they’re incredibly successful now and it’s reasonable to flaunt the success but through music is not the best way to go. I’m fine with a few songs about their success but at this point, I think those that are involved in the making of those songs should take a step back and let the girls write those lyrics themselves. How You Like That was sort of approaching that direction but it was lowkey that it can still be listenable. Pretty Savage was in the same situation as well. However, Pink Venom lyrically made no sense and was a mess. It’s as if you asked a bot that is still in beta testing to write lyrics for a song. Shut Down gave me mixed feelings. I see the point of them shutting down their past eras, talking about their idol lives but again, the haters part isn’t necessary since we’ve heard enough about them. Typa Girl… I was kinda disappointed. I appreciate the message to be that IT girls that men want but honestly.. pass😭 Tally, however, is a better approach to address to the haters and not gaf about whatever they have to say.
I just hope for then to make music like LSG, HTL, RFL, PWF, YNK, THG or AIIYL. These songs reflect the group’s personal feelings and vocals more which majority of the fanbase enjoys. Although it isn’t certain the songs would hit the charts and be as successful as the other ‘meaningless’ songs, these would still be able to capture not only the fanbase’s hearts but possibly other casual listeners’ hearts too. Not only will the songs be nice to listen to without them talking about money, but they could make it a relatable situation for the listeners.
As a global sensation K-POP GIRL GROUP, I do hope they get to embrace their roots as a KOREAN musical group and have their songs written more in korean than in english. It may be hard for the global fans to feel what they are trying to express through the lyrics, but reaching to the hearts of their fellow koreans should be a priority instead, but of course if they prefer to express themselves in English, let it be! However, they should take it to consideration that Jisoo isn’t exactly as fluet in english as them, thus you can see how her song has the most korean lyrics compared to the other members that came from different backgrounds that included more than just Korea.
Jisoo's solo seems like they didn't put much effort into it.. It's like they released it bcoz fans were asking for it. I don't hate the song but it's a little lackluster.
Solo's concept was gr8 as it really fit her. I liked the song when it came out but it's not smthng I'd listen to much.
Lalisa was okay.. It fit Lisa's vibe. I just don't listen to that kind of music
I don't like the lyrics for money at all. I don't like money either
Rosé's OTG was pretty okay.. I listened to it quite a bit.
Gone was my favourite out of all.. It gave me feels. I loved the lyrics also bcoz I was going through a similar phase so it really resonated with me.. Her being involved in writing the lyrics was a plus point. It's also tye only bp solo song I still listen to constantly
I think they waited three years to solo debut rosé after jennie so that lisa's solo would be ready. Yg really bet on her and used Rosé to bring back the public's eye on Blackpink, to then promote lisa even more.
Rosé was literally way more than Lisa
They could honestly make jennie and lisa rap about how nuch they like pop tarts and make it sound good 😭
the 2016 version of me likes these songs tbh thats y i kinda keep listening to them 😭
Oh and another thing, If anyone has been keeping up with Babymonsters final evaluation series, you remember that the girls have been involved in the production, and lyrics and line distribution of their evaluations. MEANING THAT THEY CAN DO THESE THINGS, and idk if times might have changed. But wouldn’t that mean that BP also did too? So again, it’s not like they don’t have the ability or the talent of songwriting. But I think that they just, don’t for some unknown reason. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors so 🤷🏽♀️
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The answer is simple: why would they do that? Thet get SO much money with teddy's repetitive songs. They dont have to write, produce, and can focus on modelling, being influencers, and enjoy their money they made out of their fans.
Thats why they wont ever leave YG, until ppl grow tired of the sound or move to babymonster and thats when they will realize "we have to change the sound to still be relevant and compete with these new group from the same company" and may go solo.
Or maybe they wont bcs they are already rich as fck, I think they dont need to work ever again for the rest of their lives. They dont have to work at all, just do the bare minimun to keep ppl around and still spend money.
@@carlacs4098 Or maybe the pressure is too great. Maybe they're too scared their own stuff won't do as well and be as successful as what they're doing now. Maybe YG doesn't let them release their own stuff, because the company doesn't want to take any risks.
Jennie's lyrics notebook (filled with lyrics she wrote) had been taken away by the company. It's only in teh more recent years that they have been getting more freedom when it comes to writing. Rosé for example was very involved in her solo. But for a long time they didn't get the chance. Babymonster probably has this freedom now because YGe sees it works giving artists this. Fans put a lot on seeing their artists being credited, which means more money for the company.
Blackpink was created as a 'safer' version of 2NE1. Which means very tight control from the company.
@@starbutterfly4860 Rosé had a lot of trouble with her solo writing, because she found it very personal and exposing. Which is her reason for why it took quite a while.
I really appreciate your no holds barred, painfully honest opinions, even though I vehemently disagree with most (but not all) of your negative points. I am just surprised you put in this amount of time and effort for music that you seem to genuinely dislike despite seemingly liking and appreciating the talents of the four members.
your honest criticism I appreciate that’s why I subscribed. please keep doing honest reviews. Thank you
"This song doesn't make her any favors" describes their entire career. Like selling mediocre toe rings made with 14k gold.
I’m a blink and I love your Blackpink videos!!! I’m so happy to see more lately :)
I was so looking forward to Jisoo’s song, but it wasn’t my cup of tea. Also “highest production budget”?? - honestly, Le Sserafim’s recent trailer looked more high budget than Jisoo’s vid. Don’t get me wrong, Jisoo’s MV was lovely, but if nobody mentioned the MV’s budget, I wouldn’t have thought it was a high budget production. Whereas, I immediately thought that a lot of money was spent for Le Sserafim’s trailer because it had a cinematic arthouse look.
It's sad that their individual cover songs show a lot more of their potential and talent than their official Blackpink songs.
Look at their dance covers for BBHMM and "16 Shots," their cover of Miguel's "Sure Thing," all of Rosie's covers but especially "Eyes Closed" and "If It's You," Jisoo's "Yuki No Hana" and "Clarity," Lisa's Films, Jennie's performance of "Best Part" and her pre-debut work. They show more potential performing other people's songs than their own, and I think the weight and meaning of that is self-explanatory. (aka they need to either completely take over on their own, or get new people to work on their music)
obviously this is my opinion, but it's something I just realized and I'm kinda baffled.
Gone is honestly my fav song from any blackpink’s solo , rosé actually is the only member I expect something from blackpink yeah like jennie is amazing too , but i just can’t bring myself to think that lisa will give us some real music i don’t think so , i am sorry i didn’t mean to hurt anyone but that’s what i think , also jisoo is not really going to give a great music i was sure about that, and as always she was not credited, i am sure it sounds hard but rosé is the only member of blackpink i feel she is really into music , i mean yes all the members are amazing and great performers, but i am talking about lyrics and music production i can only think about rosé !!
I saw your video on J-Hope, got mad respect for u on that one, and now watched this one and I find you a very interesting person to talk about kpop with, and I love talking about kpop.
After Jisoo's solo my brother and I reacted to and discussed all of their solos with the biggest question being "Is this a good solo for >this< member? Does it represent this member?" Is this a good Jennie solo, a good Lisa solo and so on... I'm surprised that you agreed with a lot of my opinions but also differed from the conclusions that my brother and I had.
It would be too long for me to write about everyone so let's do Jennie:
-Jennies solo had the kpop industry on a chokehold when it came out: every idol and their mother was dancing to this song, and even I thought it was great on the 1st listen. I discovered the song through an animation, so I didn't have the label "Jennie" Infront of my eyes to make me like the song.
The problem I have with Solo is that I can compare it to Despacito. Despacito was EVERYWHERE in 2017, it was a global hit, or at least in the Americas, I don't know... But it has HUGE... But after 2017 the music industry moved on, music got a different sound and Despacito stayed behind in 2017. Jennie's solo was like Despacito meaning that it was massive when it released in 2018, but the industry moved on in a production standpoint and Solo very much sounds like a song from 2018 and since that was 5 years ago I find that very unfair to Jennie.
In my opinion, Solo completely missed the badass woman persona that YG gave her and did not use the amazing rap skills that Jennie has. She's one of my favorite examples of a good rapper in a kpop group but she is dangerously underused as a rapper.
To me her best raps are in Shut Down and Pink Venom (I don't even consider Ddu du Ddu du rap anymore cause we've been driving that rap for years now as her best. But we've finally got more really good rapping content. At least in flow, I don't know about the lyrics). Jennie should have gotten a 2nd solo at this point or at least now that all of the members have gotten one. Cause I truly believe Solo did not do Jennie's talent justice. Solo is a very bland song compared to what she can do.
And no, I'm not a blink nor a Jennie stan. I have my opinions on all of their solos but talking about hers was already a lot to say. I really am disappointed that all of the girls did not get solos that match up the glory of what it means to be a member of the biggest girl group in the world right now. And I agree with you, if the girls get production and lyrics from people outside of YG they could do great things.
They should comeback with something a little fresher and cute, like As If It's Your Last. I used to LOVE them but the last 3 comebacks all sound the same to me I wish they experimented different concepts.
About Jisoos Solo: I really looked forward to her vocal, because I liked her covers. But I was really disappointed, that she kinda talked threw most of the song.
I would like to make an argument for On The Ground having better lyricism than Gone, that which being I feel like we have more context for the former than the latter. I would have to agree that Gone is ultimately more interesting, but it also feels all over the place. The first verse makes it seem like the partner ghosted her, but then the chorus makes it seem like he cheated on her? And I know both can theoretically be possible at the same time, but there's little to no connection that makes it into a cohesive story. It conveys "heartbreak" well enough, but *what* heartbreak, specifically? For a song that's full on lyrics and with no drop, it does seem oddly lacking, especially since this lacks the context of the relationship itself.
While On The Ground is similarly lacking, in that it has an empty drop with a subpar instrumental to boot, I think the lyrics convey just enough for the drop to feel like space to breathe, almost. This also where "context" comes in. The first verse describes trainee life, something a lot of people are familiar with given the endless amount of documentation about it. And the fact that we also know YG to be harsh on their trainees, being part of the Big 3 and all, it adds the whole "I've worked my whole life" part more weight. The second verse being sped-sang also contributes to how I think the drop feels deserved. It's not the best empty chorus ever, but the verse being sang so fast, it felt justified, almost. I also think how it addresses her younger self as "you" felt like it added to a feeling of isolation, because if there's one thing about trainee life we know, it's that loss of innocence is prevalent. And given that they've all had pretty long training time (not the longest, but still pretty long), I think this type of second-person writing makes sense. I do have to say it's not perfect, I really wish the runtime was longer as well, but its meaning holds more depth for me, given that we can pretty much deduct what she's been through with outer context and the lyrics itself, whereas Gone feels like vague heartbreak with no story to tell. Add the fact that the instrumental is constant, basically telling us to focus on her voice and the lyrics, and it falls a bit flat for me.
Rly excited! 🎉
Jennie-- thank you for observing the bad timing of her solo. I remembered feeling conflicted about it because she was getting trashed and always irritable in interviews at the time (obvious as to why looking back) but I actually did enjoy her solo quite a bit. I felt bad for liking it because I thought all the other members were getting the short end of the stick and some of them appeared to be kicked around while Jennie got premium treatment all the time. NOW it feels like Jennie's getting the opposite of premium treatment since she only had one solo (not two like all the others) and has never been fully credited for her work. We blinks know that Jennie writes a lot of lyrics and does extra work and given no credit.
Rose-- I loved On the Ground most because it felt like Rose and had a lot of lyrical depth to it. My biggest critique is that it didn't highlight how incredible her voice is. I loved Gone, but I hate the line about putting a curse on someone. I just think it's such a nasty sentiment. It does show how incredible her voice is though.
Lisa--TBH I wasn't a huge fan of either of her songs. But I think people had the wrong response in thinking these songs were not very Lisa and sound too much like a normal BP song. I say that's wrong and that both songs are very Lisa, although I feel like Lalisa is much more like her than Money. She's not as invested in songwriting, but has a true passion for performing. I would even argue that she is the best most well-rounded performer of the group, and visably seems to enjoy those over the top high energy moments more than the others.
Jisoo--Personally I love her new solos. I'm just relieved they turned out this good and that they suit her so well. I was worried she'd end up with a song that was too BP which she wouldn't be able to carry as well as a soloist onstage. Too many people like to roast Jisoo for being "the worst" which just isn't true. As a performer she's better with the theatrics and with her subtle yet perfect elegance. As a performer she has swag--just not the generic BLACKPINK flexing and throwing Teddy Park bars type of swag...which results in people comparing the other girls to her. Pretty annoying.
Ngl, I was dancing to All Eyes on Me and accidentally did the Ready For Love choreo. They are too similar!
Honestly, Rosé solos are the only listenable ones with actual good lyrics and felt like Rosé put her touch in it which made it so much better. However otg chorus was kinda empty but still good
Personally I feel blinks should stop blaming YG all the time. I honestly want to understand if they can digest any song produced by only all the members of blackpink. Truly by themselves. From writing to production. Everything. Without taking help from anybody from YG crew. Can they do that?? Nope. Then why r they blaming YG??
I personally thought Rose’s solo debut was the best. I still listen to on the ground. It was such a master piece. The other members just have a song that I only listen to when watching a tik tok video.
I like Hard to Love though, the only solo song that I love
teddy should serve prison time for the rap he gave lisa 💀
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Tbh I hate that as soon as jisoo’s solo was announced I knew exactly what it was gonna sound like. I was like oh it’s gonna have a drop at the chorus and it’s gonna feel really short and that’s exactly what we got. Even the music videos, aesthetically are somewhat similar down to the color grading besides Lisa’s mv. Like I know it’s gonna have choreography scenes and then like pretty shots in really beautiful outfits. (Which as a fashion girly I do appreciate the fashion). But tbh it just sucks like their work shouldn’t be this predictable.
And it sucks when it comes to teddy bc he did use to be innovative at one point. As someone who listened to 2NE1’s discography and he worked with big bang sometimes like I know what he’s capable of and at first blackpink did feel innovative but not anymore. He’s clearly burnt out but now that he also is director for the black label and does somi’s music in addition to blackpink im scared artistically he won’t get the break he needs to come back with a new sound.
I loved solo at the time tho I thought it was way too early for her to go solo, otg was just okay, I liked everything but the chorus/drop which sucks. Gone was actually a lot better, hard to love should’ve been released along with her solo instead of blackpink’s album. I could totally see rosé being like somewhere in between Avril Lavigne and Taylor swift sonically in sound. Or adjacent to Olivia rodrigo but more mature. I found lalisa annoying and bc I do listen to a lot of rap/hiphop (american where it was birthed) I hate to say it but money was a bit on the corny side. Also Lisa saying she gonna catch a case, gunnin for my man, just makes me laugh. Like teddy writing raps feels like a parody of actual rap. Like in what world would ms Lisa, born into a well off or at least middle class family with a chef as a step father, in what world would she “catch a case” like Bffr. But I know kpop fans would eat it up bc the bar is in hell when it comes to rap and hiphop. Flower was just okay. It sounds pretty and I might’ve liked it more had I not heard different versions of it through Jennie, rosé, sunmi and somi, all of which teddy has produced for. All in all their solo career but also blackpinks trajectory as artists is just okay. It’ll always be fun and catchy and I like listening to it but I stop stanning them as hard bc I felt like artistically they fall flat from me and they do not grow as artists. It’s just disappointing.
What I will say and others said it too, is rosé music feels the most personal and authentic to her. Homegirl had something to say and emotionally I could feel it. Even with otg.