Kitsch wasn't THAT bad.
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
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Kitsch MV: • IVE 아이브 'Kitsch' MV
NOTE: While I do believe this song is being trashed relentlessly by most of K-youtube, I do think this song is warranted for criticism and can receive. I don't want to make it seem like other people can't criticize the song because of course they can and others have brought up some great points that I try to reciprocate here. However blind hatred and speculation is just unnecessary, respectfully leave your thoughts below!
Give Kpop stans a day and see how they pick apart your song, I stg it's not that bad y'all just want something to throw tomatoes at.
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"But it's mixxpop!" No it's not. Beat switches existed before NMIXX.
one could even say that "Beat switches" is what always defined kpop. The choros sounding diferent from the verses is very kpop. Even verses sounding very diferent is very kpop. Its just that in this last years kpop songs have that more wester sound to it that new kpop fans think thats what kpop sounds like
Yes. Even IVE's labelmate MONSTA X did mix song called X Phenomenon loooong before nmixx so technically Starship is advanced than JYP
Literally
@FahadAuni "it sounds more like what nmixx would put out". Exactly my point. Many nmixx fans call out IVE for singing kitsch because they feel like nmixx is entitled for it .
@@FahadAuni Why would digimon like IVE needed inspirations from a flop?? IVE already won SOTY last year.
IVE is struggling from the same problem that Red Velvet suffered from. And the Twice… and then Blackpink… and then Itzy… and then Aespa… You really can’t be a popular girl group without every release being forcefully criticized for being “end the of your career”. Once you’re popular, everything you put out after that is “Not good enough” or “Won’t be as good as their old stuff”. The bias against these groups is so forced…
That is actually so true! I don't stan any of those gg's besides twice, but ik the hate they get and how every release is called their last but the fans still stream and like them and break records. That's how it is for any kpop group in general, or at least decently popular ones, they get tons of hate and people say how they ended their career etc.
The more fans you gain, the more haters you gain.
@@H3artsforTae Exactly. It’s one of those things where you have to just block out the noise. Red Velvet were considered flops when they debuted. Twice were considered SNSD clones. Blackpink were considered a watered down version of 2NE1. And so forth and so on. Yet they’re still three of the biggest girl groups and considered The Holy Trinity. And I’m sure that once Le Sserafim’s comeback drops and then NewJeans after them, we’ll see the same pattern of behavior. “One hit wonders”, “Trying way too hard to be relevant”, “Will never be as big as ___ group”! After a month or so, people will be praising “Kitsch” and using it to discredit other 4th gen girl group releases.
YES! That’s literally my take as well. The biggest crime in kpop is being succesful, notice how last year up until the award season everybody gave IVE and their music a fair chance, now that they proved themselves in the industry, people started hating on them. That’s how the hate train started at end of last year and into spring, out of nowhere they were untalented, not friends, rude, they hate each other and so on. Everything was literally such a forced set up it’s insane. Now they’re switching up on the last thing they couldn’t so far, their music. The only difference is that IVE is in the position where the hate was mostly from western fans, Korea and east asian countries adore them. Kitsch is their fast song to reach RAK and the third this year, and the song had close to no promo. I’m sure they will be fine, it’s just gonna be rough this album cycle.
@@Nameless_mixes real, it's aways the same pattern. I've been in the kpop community forever 5 yrs now, and I see this type of thing happen constantly. Every new group has haters acusing them of copying someone or being better then a previous group. Like babymonster, everyone is saying they are the next Blackpink 💀
And everyone saying stray kids is the next bts. Like bffr. They don't realize just how big those groups are, they cannot be recreated. Haters have been praying for both of their downfall for years and saying every comeback was the worst one yet and it's over for their careers. Yet every come back both groups break new world records and gain new fans. Same with every other group. It's just always so repetitive, toxic kids can't ever leave someone alone, they feel the need to drag another group just to make their group seem better. Fanwars have gotten so out of hand, and every year it gets worse. Tbh, I'm so scared for 5th gen.
Ive ‘kitsch’ debuts at #9 on billboard hot trending songs congrats to all of the dive
it's actually one of my favorite releases of this month, I just wish that liz got more lines then just 5 sec 💀
Let's just hope Liz gets more lines in the main track 😌
@@mammonsimp6973 yessss she deserves that
Ive ‘kitsch’ debuts at #9 on billboard hot trending songs congrats to all of the dive
Right like wtf. But overall I enjoyed this song more than other releases
same 😭
The more I listen to it, the more it's growing on me honestly. I just wish my girl Liz gets more lines. They're really treating her like an extra in this song and mv.
I feel like Starship just doesn’t want to give the people who complain what they want considering how the only line she got was, “no reply after reading the dm you sent.”
I think it’s a message
Ive ‘kitsch’ debuts at #9 on billboard hot trending songs congrats to all of the dive
We all know why
It's a pre-release, Don't worry because I'm sure they'll give her a lot of lines on the new full album (I mean out of 11 songs)
@@alrightloves they better T^T
NMIXX’s concept has “ruined” narratives in KPop. This is just an anti-drop with a different instrumentation from the verses/pre-chorus. It’s not mix pop. It’s not genre clashing. It’s just subverting expectations. I need more KPop stans to understand music theory and music production 😅
When you learn about music genres you have a hard and long laugh about the idea of "mixxpop", because most kpop songs already have mixed genres within. Just because it's blended well enough people tend to think its just 1 genre when it almost never is. Unless it's like a classical ballad or something. Most kpop is edm, which has mixed sub-genres per section(s) of the song. hip-hop verses, rnb pre-chorus and a trap chorus etc. like that. Even often 2-3 genres can go on at the same time. etc.
yea, people dont understand music at all sometimes. wahhhh. how is a beat change the same as mixing genres
mixing cultures and sounds is and always has been what kpop is all about. People that say that are just dumb
Ruined as a strong ass word for one song nameless…
@@soomi Exactly! 👏
people are gonna lose it if they find out that kitsch finally made me stan IVE💀
WELCOMEEE we dives really need ppl in this group cause it's hard to stan ive cause anywhere anytime ive is always being hated😭😭 Best of luck
welcome to the dive fandom!! 💌
Same
They will call you overpraising 💀
you're so weird, don't change 😄
this song.. ive listened to it over 160 times already.. im OBSESSED
Wow 160? I have listened to it probably 70 times nut i sing the song more than listening to it tho😊
I did like 20
i just love that ive made us all look up the meaning of kitsch 😂
@Uzuzlas yeah like i understand that not everyone is gonna like it but it did its job of building up hype also i think the “bad” things about the song are what makes it “kitsch” like this is the lava lamp of ive’s discography 😂
I honestly thought it was some new slang that was being used. It could still be for all I know.
My background in design coming in clutch, I felt very cult explaining to some mutuals lol
@@mirroredhour people have always used it but it’s not usually a noun, people say “kitschy” as an adjective a lot more from what i’ve heard. i believe it’s from german, but i could be wrong
@@topiaryyt true, i also read from another user that it’s german, i honestly just love this conversation about what’s kitsch
The song isn't as bad as people are making it out to be... I think the problem is that IVE established a certain sound for their first few releases and this goes against it. With that said it's a pre-release, a b-side.
The verses are the best part, the chorus was not, and I think the rap was unnecessary, but this isn't the worst thing I've heard.
Let's just all sit tight for the title track before the pitchforks are brought out.
For me it was kinda the opposite, the chorus was the best part, it sounds goofy with the flute/whistle thingt yet badass which is an interesting and risky approach
Actually this songs fits perfectly im Their discography if you take into account their bsides, which this song is.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT. Stans don’t wanna see their group change sounds for even a second
I always forget that this is just a pre-release. After songs like “Ice Cream”, “Boys Like You”, and “Moonlight Sunrise”, I feel like KPop stans overreact too much because a lot of pre-releases are hated while the title tracks (and album as a whole) for these artists are pretty well received 🤷♂️
and set me free pt.2 as well! Damn, people really don't like pre-release tracks lol
@@mnif001 I think the only pre-release I’ve seen be universally liked is black swan by bts. I dunno what they put in that track but everyone was hooked on it
what kpop stans forget is that pre-releases are NOT meant to be the groups main concept. it give the group room to experiment while having a safety net of a title track that for sure appeals to the gp. its better to experiment with pre-releases bc the risk is lower. they put way less time, energy and money into promoting the pre-releases because it might flop. like if the single gets rly bad reception, the company will probably say "alright lets not do that again" but if its well received and people want to see more of it then the company may consider doing that sound in the future.
usually after 3-4 comebacks a group has a slight concept switch because otherwise people would get tired of the same thing. like itzy stopped doing the self love concept after 3 songs, they kept their sound but changed it slightly. and i think starship knows they cant keep doing the same royal concept for ive so theyre using kitsch to gauge how their fans feel about ive doing something more intense. ive's bsdies always gave me the vibe of western pop and kitsch sounds like a little mix/fifth harmony song imo. so i think ss might be leaning towards going in that direction for their next "trilogy"
@@appletart7262 The Feels was also universally liked
@@kentingz No. Their rap was way too cringy.
People just hate fun that song slaps🔥
OMG! This is their best song in my opinion. It's has the best rhythm and actually has a beat.
Yesss exactly ❤
Kitsch is pretty damn good, lol. Love the low voices, the attitude, the anti-drop.
when i started listening to the song it was feeling like some kind of classic pop song? a little nostalgic? and the chorus turned it into a freaking bop. so good
Doesn’t the end chorus kinda give you 2012-2014 era kpop? I keep thinking of Sugar Free from T-ara or something like that, electronic and agressive, I love early 2010s music SO much so to me it’s also VERY nostalgic.
@@2FullMoons i wasn't really able to define it, but it feels so nostalgic? like something i'd hear also from american pop i grew up with? i think with giving us these feelings, they were kinda successful in what they were trying to accomplish with this song or i am reading too much into it
@@solithedreamer yes I agree, even the tacky ‘you’re so weird, don’t change’ sign in the video, some of the outfits, the YOLO ( who says that in 2023??? ) rap verse... it’s moments like these when I wonder if maybe the song accomplished what it was set to 🤨
@@2FullMoons yea, its almost too accurate to 2010s culture? 🤔 it has to be intentional is what i think
I really liked this song 💀 I don't really like IVE's other tracks except maybe LOVE DIVE, but this one was so so good. I looked up "Kitsch IVE" to see people talking about it (thinking more people liked it) and then saw all the videos calling it a mess and was genuinely surprised. Sure it's not perfect but it's still good. Kpop fans are just hypercritical about any and every group under the sun, especially girl groups and popular groups, and don't know how to just listen to things without flicking the "I'm a music critique who knows music theory and vocal strain and am a high-level choreographer" switch
EDIT: YES!!! It's not a great release. But calling it the end of IVE or the worst thing in the world and acting all melodramatic aint gonna do anything except make yourself more pesimistic
how can they call this the end of ive when it's just a b-side in the album😭😭 kpop stans are actually threatened by ive fr
@@nasacarat it's a single
@@xelirsaart9761 a pre release
@@TT-ee1vv I know
@@nasacarat exactly people getting their intestines twisted over something so small like, chill 😭😭
I've seen one comment saying "it was supposed to "be 90' bi*tch", but Leeseo is too young" and I couldn't stop laughing, honestly that made me like the song a bit more. It's not bad, just not for me
Honestly now that I think about it if I just sing bitch instead of kitsch lll enjoy it way more cause the word kitsch kind of puts me off lol
it was a song made for bibi then it later went to ive
@@arshiyapandey4447 it was actually made by college student for their final poject but decided to not include it and sold it
@@anetasz7759 but there is a demo version of bibi singing it
and it's says nineteen b**ch
@@arshiyapandey4447 Songs go through many artists, Bibi just was one of them. For exaple, Love dive was almost Sunmi song. Just bc theres a demo from other artist does not mean the song was made specificly for them
My only problem with the song is liz’s lines 😭
Literally
It's definitely missing the spark that Love Dive, Eleven, and After Like had, but it's a pre-release, so they're probably saving that for the actual title track on the upcoming album. I agree, it's not that bad, people just hate IVE lol. It's good even, just not *great*.
It's not supposed to have that spark because it's not supposed to over shadow the TT
@@Everythingz127 That's what I said lol
I wasn't too into the song on a first listen but it's really grown on me and I think it's an interesting direction that they've taken musically given the past releases.
It wasn't the worst or the best. I did see some polls on it and it wasn't received the best, which is fine. It's subjective. But people do need to remind themselves that this was just the pre-release and not the actual title track. Plus there will be an actual album, so there will be other songs too. Nothing to be fully panicked for yet. ^-^
In my opinion this song wasn't bad at all it was just the line distribution that was concerning.
I really liked the song! I also wish Liz got more lines. Hopefully she gets a chance to shine more on the title track and rest of the album.
Kitsch was great but the line dist. Put off many ppl
Liz deserved to at least sing part of the chorus or be the one to sing that’s my style
everyone always lowers expectations by shitting on their new songs, but then the song ends up being good and addicting.
People just love to hate. Like with BP everyone said IVE songs were gonna get repetitive if they didn't change things up (despite their last 3 singles being VASTLY different), but when they do try new stuff, everyone says it's bad lol. Also IVE is gonna feed us good with *a real Full album* 12-13 tracks unlike 👀, there's gonna be a lot of room for great/ experimental songs.
KITSCH IS REALLY SO GOOD what are people on about if they don’t like it then they shouldn’t spread mean comments about them IVE worked hard for this release!
exactly ive members worked so hard for this cause their company sucks at doing the job so they had to come every night on bubble to text us to wait just for a little longer. Ive first full album and it has 0 promotions😭😭
I like this song, but people saying, "This is mixxpop," is stupid. Mixxpop is supposed to subvert your expectations, and even I can tell it is to give people that shock factor on each beat switch (whether they be good or bad is just your music preference (yes I like it)). NMIXX's concept is more about the performance and the shocking transitions (whether good or bad) than the music.
NMIXX is more about doing something unexpected (whether that be good or bad) and not being sorry for having their concept no matter what people think (they lyrics to Tank describe their concept).
The way most of twt kpop stans are pissed that ive is charting well with kitsch and blaming kakao Like?? kakao doesn't even own all the charts they are topping. And for a pre-release with no promotions and less than 30 playlists it's doing really well. Look I get it if ppl don't like the song, ppl have different tastes all the time, but the thing is everybody has already decided that ive has flopped this comeback only from a b-side. Like weren't a few months ago ppl on tiktok going feral because they liked blue-blood and not your girl soo much💀Man ive is my fav 4th gen group but it's so hard to stan them😭 Oh and a ton of ppl are saying they tried to copy nmixx or lsrfm or NJ. Like no they didn't?? Have you not listened their other b-sides?? they are always different from the title tracks.
That being said the only thing I don't like about this song is how liz got treated. Ok for a sec I can get around that she got more lines in other song and stuff but that stll does not explain the amount of screentime she got?? Like after the first part she just vanished tf. I really really hope she gets tons of line in the title track and screen time!
People are pissed because they are realizing that after all that forced hate, IVE’s perception is actually so different in Korea and east from the west. All the hate we saw them receiving this past few months were mostly western fans, the girls were virtually untouched in Korea and that part of the world. As much as people want to downplay their validity, the reality is that IVE’s success LITERALLY translates on every chart and every stat. I am not bias when I say this, it’s just the truth, their success is real and it’s as organic as it can get when you have Wony and Yujin in the group. And I think that pisses a lot of people off.
Do you know when I’ve is dropping their album. Is their a given date?
@@evasimon761 10th april!
@@nasacarat I'm kinda sad because I thought they would be dropping their album on 5 April cause that's when love dive also got released
@@evasimon761 starship doesn't know how to do their job properly, this album has 0 promotions and so many empty days between this pre releases and then other album content drop 😭😭 I don't know what they are thinking as it's ive first full album
personally at first i didn’t really like the song but this song is definitely a grower and thats okay!!! i think people don’t know the line between constructive criticism and just straight up hate when it comes to songs like these, we’ve seen it happen recently when jimin dropped SMF pt 2. also hopefully you drop a video talking about FACE 😸 love your video essays
Kitsch is literally not bad at all, of course there will be people who will genuinly dislike it and that’s perfectly normal, but we also can’t dismiss the fact that IVE is coming off of one of the harshest hatetrains a girl group has ever seen, after the award season some people developed strong negative biases against them and they will express that. There are a lot of people who trash on the song just because they don’t like IVE anymore, they’re trying really hard to convince us all of how bad the song is. If this was released last year I am more than sure that most of those people would of liked it or at least found it fine. I am sure that even if they released the most amazing song ever, people would of still not given the song and the girls a fair shot as they did last year. It’s not my favorite release from them but I do really like it, I can’t agree with the messy production opinion you share because I actually enjoy the drop and the way the chorus was constructed but I also don’t think it’s their strongest release. And to be honest, I don’t think they were going for that either. This album has zero promo so far and it’s coming out in 2 weeks, we don’t even have an official concept photo, all we have is this song so my take is that it was meant to create buzz. That’s why I am highly suspicious of the Liz situation because I don’t believe there’s any way in hell Starship thought we would just be fine with it, it had to be a planned controversy of some sort. MY SPECULATION ofc. Maybe the knew IVE’s peculiar situation with the kpop community so they intentionally played on that by giving Liz no lines and releasing a song they knew would be talked about. But that’s giving Starship A LOT of credit and IDK if I can do that 100% lmao, that’s just what I hope. Anyways, the song is a bop to me and I see a lot of non IVE fans really like it too. Even the reaction videos have been fairly positive. It definitely grows on you, I’ve been looping it all day and I am not tired of it.
You explained it really well. Coming off of the hate train they received, people who have convinced themselves that they don't like IVE based off of edits they watched will really not give their future releases a chance and will immediately call them a flop. Am I saying that this is their best release? As far as I'm seeing the answer is no. Is it bad? No. It's just different from what they usually sound which is always the case for IVE's b-sides vs their title tracks. Now the perception and outcome of this hate train I think is what pisses the non-Korean KPOP consumers the most. Why? Coz they're expecting people to drop IVE after all that's happened but it's clearly not the case. They remained practically pristine in South Korea (with impressive chart position) and gaining more traction outside Korea even though this release had little to no promotion. People will grab the chance to hate on them after showing even the littlest sign of decline. Case in point, Kitsch debuted at #18 in MelOn which is lower than After LIKE's #9 debut. They already started calling them flops especially on twitter only for Kitsch to rise to #1 before the day ended. And because of this, I agree with that one comment saying that the biggest crime in KPOP is being successful.
I think Starship might have been okay with releasing this song with such few Liz lines bc she'll have plenty in their title track and album overall. I assume this was recorded like all the the bsides and only after the album was recorded it was decided to release Kitsch as the pre-release. If this was just another bside on the album, Liz's lack of lines on this ONE song would not have turned into such a big controversy. Its just unfortunate they couldn't see this coming, esp bc the Liz mistreatment theory has been circulating since last year.
The thing with international kpop stans is that they called everything a flop even tho for example love dive is so popular in Korea. I went to eat and I heard them playing love dive in the restaurant many times.
@@mammonsimp6973 I just watched a reaction video from 2 youtubers that were in Seoul for the past few weeks/months and they literally said how IVE is everywhere there. It makes me really happy to hear, I knew from the beginning that the hate train was just international and mostly from western fans but hearing that and seeing how well Kitsch is doing on the charts makes me heart grow because the girls really did not deserve that kind of hate and backlash.
@@user-dz5rs5ly9b I feel bad for seeing your comment just now, I got no notification, but everything you said was spot on! It’s a few days later and we are looking at a possible PAK for the song with close to 400k uls... that is insane to me, they really remained untouched, the title is going to be even bigger I feel. I also noticed A LOT of people switching up on the song and saying that it grew on them, I kinda felt like that might happen, by the time the girls perform at Music Bank Paris, it’s gonna be a lot of people’s new favorite song.
I'm just sad there wasn't anything kitsh in the music video lol.
EDIT: It's speculated that the original english demo said "90s bitch", which definitely makes more sense.
Factual.
It's Nineteens kitsch. Also it's their own type of kitsch 😂😂😂 so u saying it's not kitsch means it's working it's they own style which is kitsch because people don't like them.
People dislike the rap but I actually like it cause it is kinda tacky. Like Gaeul saying YOLO... who tf says that? Lmao Kpop is also kinda kitschy if you think about it so maybe it is kitsch? Idk, I can’t wrap my mind around it, sometimes I think that there’s a hidden complex meaning and it’s genius as a commentary on kpop and then I’m also like ‘yeah... it was probably 90s bitch’ originally lol
Y'all it's so kitsch that ppl think it's not kitsch but it is their own care free nineteen's kitsch and to them to was kitschy kitsch
@@2FullMoons LMAOO. I literally feel like it is kitsch cause the whole song is so silly but like - are producers really that smart - like I always tell myself NCT is camp but then I realize those producers probably aren’t that genius. Idk. Fr tho who says YOLO maybe it is kitsch. But like also Korean idols do have a language barrier so they get fascinated by any slang they hear no matter how outdated it is - which is so wholesome lol
I love the song!! The vibe was everything it was so kitsch
I understand if people don't like it that's fine music is subjective but kpop fans are so dramatic lmao. A GG comes out with one weak comeback and now all of sudden they're 'flops' or 'it's their downfall.' You can't win as a GG especially now with how dominating GG's have been. Line distribution aside I actually enjoyed the song the chorus caught me off guard but once I adjusted, I was bopping along to it. Not my favorite song but it wasn't horrible.
It’s the same with BG to be completely honest… just K-pop in general… people type things like “BGs sound the same” when they absolutely don’t.. or that “they left their discography” when the groups has always been experimental.. or “they flopped with one song”… maybe I see more of the hate towards BG songs cos I tend to listen to them more… but, it’s really just a K-pop listener thing now.. it’s okay to criticize a song like you typed... some would like it.. some wouldn’t.. but, it’s really not that serious enough to bash and discredit these groups (bg/gg) whole discography for…
The hate is intensified further because now IVE’s KITSCH is topping all domestic charts in Korea (except VIBE but hopefully soon).
They already got their RAK, I just hope they’ll be able to pull through Jisoo’s cb for the YT weekly charts so that they can get a PAK.
when the song hated by stan twit, the song is good
i think a lot of people are forgetting this is a bside and not a title track. it’s not going to have the same spark as eleven, love dive, and after like because then that would take away from the title track.
also a lot of people are used how ive has established themselves so far, and kitsch is a lot different from their other songs. i don’t think this is a bad thing cause it seems to be going along with their whole concept. the visuals and the attitude are amazing, and while kitsch is definitely not their best release, it’s not bad. i feel like ive is getting so much hate because it’s ive and people love to hate on successful groups and hold them to unreasonable standards.
not your girl and blue blood received pretty good feedback, especially blue blood (which are two unreleased songs from the comeback), so i really don’t get why some people are saying ive flopped because of kitsch when it’s just one song (that’s not even as bad as people are making it seem).
i wasn’t a fan of the song at first, but it’s definitely growing on me (i don’t think the rap will ever sit well with me though, but that won’t stop me from streaming it).
Other then the fact that Liz barely got any lines this song is really good like it’s good that really nice catch I’m actually surprised some ppl don’t like it😭
There is a saying in a Turkish proverb that says, "The tree that bears good fruit will always be stoned." So what you would expect with these other K-pop fans is that their idols would not have this kind of popularity. Toxicity at its best: behind these fan wars are your idols real-life friends. It's just you hating them, but the fact they don't have any beef with each other doesn't make any sense.
I find it funny that people are saying it is a Nmixx reject when people would say nmixx music was an Aespa reject. Smh.
Is the song bad? No..
Is it Overhyped? Definitely...
and the fact that this reach PAK on the SK music Chart is hilarious and y'all ruined the prestiges of the chart
I personally don't think it's overhyped.. but it's alright different tastes. Also I saw that it's the first song in 2023 to get pak or something?? I'm kinda confused didn't new jeans get pak from omg?
It was trending in almost all Asian countries and for a b-side, this songs actually good. The b-side is at the top 10 chart, I wonder how the title track gonna be
Again, taste is personal. This whole ‘a song is good’ ‘a song is bad’ can only be taken so far in an objective way, most of what music is, is subjective. For a lot of people it’s amazing as you can see.
@@nasacarat omg got blocked by ditto that time so only ditto got RAK and PAK
@@welike9319 oh yeah qnd ditto was released in 2022. That makes sense why it's the first song in 2023. And it's just a bside honestly so proud 😭 but thank you for clearing it up ^^
I'm not Ive stan but Kitsch is fine. It's a chic song. I quite like it
Personally I absolutely love it and I've been listening to it on repeat. I like the contrast between the chorus and the rest of the song and I thought the rap was fine. I do agree Liz def deserves more parts but the song is great imo. I also don't have any problems with the mv it portrays the concept fine to me. This is definitely not what I'd expect from Ive but I think it's unique in a great way and one of my favorite releases in a while
it's actually baffling how people could hate this song cause it's literally my favourite???? 😭
Ive ‘kitsch’ debuts at #9 on billboard hot trending songs congrats to all of the dive
There are so many kpop trolls who makes videos and channels and trolls them when any kpop group debuts and talks trash about them. And it has kind of became there buisness. You are one of the only k RUclipsr who is not doing this and giving there honest opinion instead of being that basic "troll" with robot voice. Thank you.
The song was good and catchy BUT THE LINE DISTRIBUTION...
It still pisses me off that Liz didn't get any high notes or ad-libs in this song, and this song needed ad-libs in the final chorus and the 3rd prechorus (still mad we didn't get a bridge).
I am still confused about how their TT and entire album will sound, but I am excited to see what they put out.
I’ve consistently presents me with the same problem with each release, the song is good. It’s unexpected, it exceeds my expectations, and I enjoy listening to it…then I never go out of my way to hear it again. I’m very take it or leave it with them. I won’t skip but I won’t add to my playlist. I like Kitsch, I think all their releases are the same level of good.
Kitsch is so fcking GOOOOODDDD
I like the song, i just like it. Nor love it nor hate it. Also: i'm the only One who thinks that the verses sounded like a late 2010's trap-pop song?
Sounds like English songs Faded, Flashlight, Someone you loved, Love me like you do. Itzy Swipe and BP Whistle 😂
Bro LITERALLY and the last chorus when they introduce all the electronic sounds give me major 2012-2014 electronic dance music vibes which I adore. It literally feels like the song’s about to take off or something lmao I love it
My problem is I know the word kitsch very well, its a German Word and I am german and let me tell you, it doesn't really look like kitsch😂
Oh the mv is certainly not kitsch
Personally as an orbit, Kitsch's chorus gave me a shocker that was exactly like the one I had when I first heard Love Cherry Motion. Kitsch was definitely iffy to me at first but has definitely grown on me after 2 or 3 listens , with those whistle(?) noises making the track feel unique and honestly more catchy in some way despite the terrible rap. Anyway #SAVELOONA #BURNFLOPBERRYCREAVTIVE
wait people dislike the song?
the mv has 34k dislikes and 577k likes. the ratio of the dislikes to likes is increasing...
@@welike9319 usually i'm very in tune with what kpop songs "the public" doesn't enjoy as much, but I love kitsch! I can see that the chorus would split opinions, but I don't think the song would be as good without it. How unfortunate that people don't like it.
@@Fieshs well, kitsch topped the korean charts so we can say that the korean public loves it. for the international one, it's 50/50
I like the song a lot. I'm patiently waiting for the album. I hope the title track has more lines for Liz.
i really liked the rap it was great imp!
難得有個中肯的評論，而且道出了我很多的想法，感謝大大的陳述讓我知道不是只有我對這次的先行曲感到失望😢，希望IVE接下來的專輯發布能再次讓我們再次驚艷。
I appreciate a lot about what you've said bro, they're the comments and thoughts I exactly have in my head after this single release. Hopefully that IVE's new album release won't disappoint us all and shine. I do really love "Love Me Like This" more than "Kitsch", which is ironic since I don't get any anticipation to NMIXX's songs, but the chorus totally done a better job than Kitsch.
希望吧
The Car thing is soooo relatable!!! I love my cars sound and songs are GREAT!
Thank you for posting this video omg reading the comments on other videos really made me explode
this def isnt my fave song from them but listening to it, it's really not that bad. i actually kind of like it! i will agree the rap was a bit messy (and liz needs more lines/screentime) but overall it's really not bad. not every song needs to be a smash hit, it's ok to just have a song that's ok. plus i think this concept looks really great on them, i loved a lot of the styling! I'm excited to see what the full release brings. I just wish people would stop giving these girls so much hate.
Plus I LOVE THE PINK HAIR!! REI ILY
I hate how some people are panicking because they don’t like one song from a group. Kitsch wasn’t really for me but I’m not having a crisis over it. They’ve put out good music before and I’m sure they’ll continue to do that.
Not saying that you’re panicking idk if it came off that way 😭
Kitsch is my fav song by ive i dont understand why everyone hates it
Honestly I'm trying to figure out why the bass is so nonexistant in the drop but I'm having a hard time figuring it out. The speaking lines are layered and some of them feel deeper, maybe there is some clashing with the bass there in the mid-low frequencies. But the bass also just feels too low on volume? Or it could be entirely just the latter? IDK
Liz is such an underrated idol, with her heavenly voice and talent, I genuinely don’t get why the company is treating her as an extra lately.
i'm a fan of the chorus it's the only part of the song i actually enjoy (which is so sad because i usually love their music) and liz's lack of lines really makes me sad, especially as a liz bias. her voice is so pretty and tbh rei and gaeul's rap could've been taken out so liz could have the chance to sing more.
idk hopefully she has more lines in the title track :(
Kitsch is a bop idk what ppl are smoking
so in german the word kitch is a normal word and we even use it as an adjective to say something is kitschig…for example someone who is declaring love to their significant other in a over the top, movie type of way, one might say its “kitschig”
Ive had two comebacks before, with two highly successful singles, and no one flinched. Maybe a little for the unequal nature of the members distribution and screentime, but not because of the music. Now they're being critiqued rightfully for a bad song with little dynamics, bad production decisions, confusing lyrics, and a misunderstood couple of beat switches that had bad build (just like Taejiu said) ((Also, how do you make your main vocalist the member with the least lines?!)) It's one bad song, and it's not the end of the world, but also people are allowed to critique with fairness to the artists. We should be allowed to say that this, or any other song is bad, with arguments and being kind. The problem isn't the view about a song, but the hate that flies between fandoms, wishing each other the worst, and wrongfully labeling anything as a "flop", a "careerkiller" or something like that. We should be targeting toxic fan (and critics) behavior, specially the hateful discourses, not critique and analysis itself.
"bad" is subjective though
I love this song way more than after like and eleven, i dont think its a bad song “objectively” like what does that even mean? If u dont like it u dont like,
Its not bad
They just need a music video for Blue Blood STAT.
I love the song…hate how they did Liz….and because I’m a nmixx fan I could care less about the hate the song gets….Kpop RUclips lost their fucking minds with dissertations about how bad O.O was….it don’t feel too good huh
Omg you saying that as a nmixx fan you couldn’t care less about how the song is perceived actually made me so sad, people are SO hard on that group.
@@2FullMoons I’m saying that I don’t care that people hate a song……even tho It’s on repeat for me…because as a nmixx I’m use to it. And it’s funny to see it on the other foot…..as I bet a lot of people who based O.O are the sames mad Kistch is getting the similar. It’s just Kpop Chile look at me lol
Such an awesome MV !! 🔥
I don’t get it. People be like “change concepts, try something new, don’t always sound the same” and then they be like “it sounds different than before how dare they!😤” like what, pick
what is dumbship ent doing giving liz 5 seconds of lines and 9 seconds of screentime 😭
honestly, this song is probably my favourite out of all of ive's released songs (wave is a VERY close second) and i feel as though a lot of the hate/criticism to this song lies in a general misunderstanding of this concept. to me, the song's melody and the infamous "chorus" that everybody has a general distaste for is a direct parallel to the song title's meaning: kitsch. kitsch is something gaudy, over the top, camp, and is so tacky that it possesses a certain beauty to it, like an overfilled over-ornamented house. add in a touch of grunge preppy school girl 90's influence taken from its lyric "19's" and you have kitsch. it's an amalgamation of the 90's maximalist grunge edge feel and a splash of irresistible preppy school girl charm in a tackily endearing way.
the verses and choruses are very reminiscent of the 90's in their own unique ways. the verses and the pre-choruses has that poppy, melodramatic, nostalgic feel that most 90's love songs envoke in its melody. the chorus, however, is a very dark and grunge type of melody that is also very reminiscent of the 90's music which showcased a TON of dark and hip-hop songs during its time. it's the switch up from this sweet sounding, nostalgic memory to the anti-drop of harsh sounds and strong, rap-like chants that shows the real kitsch - the tackiness of the mixture of this two completely opposing sounds is what makes kitsch, kitsch.
this is literally on of my fav songs now bruh i loved it since the first listen. -_-
Had to sub to you once you talked about the rap, and that many songs don't actually need rap sections. You're speaking my language.
This song is like the fate of the Debut song of NMIXX. It is a grower tho but not good since they were now always expected, even it is a prerelease, to have a hit song.
I hope this will not happen to HYBE GGs.
Why can't ive release or do something without it being controversial or people talk bad about it 💀
I actually loved the song at first. not as a whole, but just all the individual parts. as I've listened more and more over the past couple of days, it's REALLY grown on me as a whole. my only issues of course, AS A LIZ BIAS - is the lack of liz lines and the rap section.
I enjoyed it and I'm hyped for the rest of the album, of course it could be better, but it does its job.
i think ive does raps so well, their songs, in my opinion, fit the rap sections perfectly
I think Kpop fans should listen to releases more than once. It can change your perspective on a song. The first time I listened to Kitsch, I was like “um…this is interesting”. Now I find it extremely catchy, and fits Ive really well.
wait people doesnt like kitsch ? bro im actually IN LOVE with it .
Honestly, the only glaring problem I have with the song is the weird whistling that's in it. The beginning starting with it, it being part of the chorus, it just doesn't add ANYTHING good to the song. It could have been left out and it would have been fine, or even BETTER, and that's knowing the rap would be left in. That weird whistling sound is just UGH
IMO I love the rap section of kitsch
and I LOVE THIS SONG my favorite
Ive song.
i personally enjoy kitsch. the lack of cohesion made it really interesting to me, and the chorus is actually my favorite part of the song. the one thing that takes me out is definitely the rap though.
That m/v is so good and its just a b side
Idk what so many people talking about
i immediately liked it lmao maybe because it's a b-side i think it doesn't have to be a perfect song so i like it as it is, most groups experiment more with b-sides than the title track so i don't take b-sides very seriously because i know i might not like all of them. but i think it being a pre-release single makes everyone think they should be _super_ dramatic if they don't like it because they assume it's a title track and are foaming at the mouths to say that any girl group fell off
I really like it😂 I guess I’m one of the minority on this one
I love Kitsch but only thing i don't like about it is line distribution. They just gave a main vocalist 5.7 seconds!!!! like starship are you fxcking kidding me??
i don't think liz's lack of lines and screen time is for her weight gain. or, at least, not the main reason.
many people complain that sse gives too much to wonyoung and yujin (and arguably rei tool) and that's because they go viral almost for everything. see isn't biased because they want some specific member to be popular, it's more 'who goes viral, we support'.
i.e.: during eleven, leeseo went viral and eleven won 13 times. so, for love dive, she got a lot of key parts, like the chorus or pre-chorus. then, gaeul went viral during after like and in kitsch, she has the second most lines.
i'm sure once liz goes viral, sse will push her. maybe liz biased should stop whining (and hating the other members) liz's lack of content and starts to actually hype it.
I personally did not like it at all 😢 I was really looking forward to their comeback tho... I hope tt would be better ❤
everyone was expecting this to sound similar to their previous TITLE TRACKS but are forgetting this is a PRE RELEASE .. B SIDE ! next
I loveeeeee the song
I loved kitsch. IVE subverted my expectations with the song and I think that's cool.
I LOVED IT LISTENED NON STOP IT WASNT THAT BAD IT WASNT BAD AT ALL UGH
'Kitsch' is a good song; the song and mv themselves are not kitsch, ironically
I loved Kitsch from first listen. And I know everyone is all about I AM but I can't click with the latest. Music is so subjective.
do you listen to pixy? i really think they deserve so much more attention cause they’re production on the songs is so good, especially KARMA and VILLAIN
i love ive
Bruh this song is not bad. I love the chant in the chorus....I hate when people expect them to do something that they want them to do... This is just a different style they went with. The only bad thing about it is some have low lines in the songs.. SUPPORT YOUR GROUP AND SPEAK ON THE COMPANY. I understand that but y'all need to be quiet you lucky they doing a ABLUM. I heard 11 songs.... pleasse 🧢 Haters not giving.