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Reviewing Dragon Ball Super's Best & Worst Animated Episode

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  • Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
  • In the last edition of this series, we looked over Dragon Ball Z's best and worst animated episode. However today, let's look over its sequel, Dragon Ball Super, and go over the names of the talented animators behind it such as Ken Otsuka, Naotoshi Shida, Futoshi Higashide, and many more!
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Комментарии • 585

  • @forgottenrelics1197
    @forgottenrelics1197  4 месяца назад +21

    Update - 5:13 - 5:35 has just been confirmed to be the work of Toshiyuki Kanno by the director Nakamura himself
    6:43 is someone else
    Tweet - twitter.com/ryotanakamura0/status/1773849854172860477

    • @El_Mince
      @El_Mince Месяц назад

      6:10 is atsushi nikaido, followed by yuichi nakazawa. 6:43 is tu yong ce

  • @j04370859
    @j04370859 2 года назад +1896

    Fun fact, the worst looking episode of Z, GT, and Super, all have Frieza in it. 😆

    • @daykuohtwo8422
      @daykuohtwo8422 2 года назад +420

      I guess Frieza's the director of those episodes lol

    • @Waqas_Khan02
      @Waqas_Khan02 2 года назад +82

      Agreed freeza saga always had some bad animated episodes.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад +55

      @@Waqas_Khan02 Only the one's, done by Yukio Ebisawa.

    • @Waqas_Khan02
      @Waqas_Khan02 2 года назад +26

      @@j04370859 and masayuki uchiyama

    • @El_Mince
      @El_Mince Год назад +9

      @@Waqas_Khan02 Uchiyama episodes had some good animation from Shida and Ohara at least

  • @Rockden
    @Rockden 2 года назад +2368

    Thank you, it's so refreshing to see someone who knows what he's talking about instead of a generic "dbs bad, dbz good"

    • @Kitsune986
      @Kitsune986 2 года назад +261

      Something I genuinely struggle to understand is how people refuse to give credit where it's due. There's this """""review""""" of DBS: Broly on YT and the best thing he had to say about its animation was "It looks pretty good...but only sometimes."
      Then he proceeded to cherry pick screenshots from the fusion dance scene and showed zero actual animation from there or anywhere else IIRC. He did say he liked how the animation was more fluid than most of the anime, but you could tell he was essentially saying "It looks good by DBS standards."
      Then you get people to this day who are like "Not even the animators actually cared about the animation or tried to make it look good, lol!" I think that pisses me off more than anything because one, I feel like it should be common knowledge that DBS had a horrible schedule and they 100% did their absolute best and two, it's just insulting to any and all animators in general

    • @Rockden
      @Rockden 2 года назад +89

      @@Kitsune986 Unfortunately it seems not many people know about Super's schedule, they just look at the first arcs' animation and go "yeah, everything about Super is garbage, even tho I haven't actually seen it myself or done any research into it"
      Also, I have seen a lot of people around that for some reason, as you said, just wanna see pretty drawings, ignoring everything about animation; the same people that praise the anime adaptation of Record of Ragnarok, probably.
      I'm not trying to be rude to these people, you like what you like and everything is subjective, but PLEASE, don't talk about "bad animation" just because an anime has unique or streamlined art (I've seen this A LOT with Tate's fusion scene in Broly and Naruto vs. Pain in Shippuden)!

    • @Rockden
      @Rockden 2 года назад +26

      @@Ruldolphmaker Yes! He's awesome :) He's the reason I like anime animation so much! Everytime a new Super episode dropped I was hyped to watch his new breakdown lol

    • @TheeOneTheeOnli
      @TheeOneTheeOnli 2 года назад +5

      When ever me and my friend talk about dragon ball my friend is like “ dbs animation is worse than dbza popo”

    • @SatoruGojothehonoured1
      @SatoruGojothehonoured1 2 года назад +2

      Dragon ball in whole is the worst shonen

  • @Cbas619
    @Cbas619 2 года назад +1065

    I hope DBS comes back with a healthy production schedule. I wouldn't expect "sakuga" every episode but at least have the damn characters on model!!!

    • @IamJay02
      @IamJay02 2 года назад +120

      Yeah people who complained about the animation were right about it being poor but some of them have went as far as saying they should be fired for it. They don't understand or don't care that dbs was incredibly rushed in the beginning.

    • @Prodigy396
      @Prodigy396 2 года назад +6

      Why not expect that? It brings in billion+ a year.

    • @salvadorvega3805
      @salvadorvega3805 2 года назад +8

      I'm hoping that they reel in One Piece and give it a small break/hiatus and then DBS comes in with the same animation style as Wano.

    • @bootybandit9245
      @bootybandit9245 2 года назад +1

      @@IamJay02 Lex???? Is that you??

    • @mnam5822
      @mnam5822 2 года назад +1

      @Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha so u mean u want to see dragon with a darker theme ? that might be hard due to dragon ball story is now just trying to stay alive lol

  • @nobafan7515
    @nobafan7515 2 года назад +675

    I'm glad you addressed why ep 5 wouldn't be worst animated. Off model isn't the same as a lack of clear motion.

    • @over6124
      @over6124 Год назад +28

      Yeah i hate when people think bad animation is the same as off model,and sometimes u need off model for an animation to look smooth,this guy knows what he is talking about

    • @nobafan7515
      @nobafan7515 Год назад +1

      @@over6124 not to mention that the circumstances were to blame, not the lack of effort in the case of ep 5.

    • @kbk489
      @kbk489 Год назад +4

      they don't understand that random pictures of bad art doesn't make the animation bad

  • @mechajay3358
    @mechajay3358 2 года назад +914

    Dragon Ball Super managed to go from having some of the most poorly animated episodes in the beginning to having some of the best in the end of it's run is something to be respected.

    • @AngryMax
      @AngryMax 2 года назад +28

      @@burst2_ jesus. chill tf out lmao

    • @Xeno574
      @Xeno574 2 года назад +46

      @@burst2_ Typical Internet children complaining about the smallest of things

    • @mechajay3358
      @mechajay3358 2 года назад +23

      @@Xeno574 Yeah, all I said that it's something to be respected given what the staff went through at the beginning.

    • @heitorzincleiton5071
      @heitorzincleiton5071 2 года назад +13

      @@mechajay3358 what he said?

    • @CrossfireTheory
      @CrossfireTheory 2 года назад +5

      Goku UI vs Kefla 🔥

  • @jasonone8726
    @jasonone8726 Год назад +38

    2:58 I really wish they had kept the fire arena during the battle. It would've been a unique visual evironment.

    • @AChimp196
      @AChimp196 Год назад +6

      True. It looks like they're in Hell.

  • @Milkra
    @Milkra Год назад +43

    It’s so refreshing to see someone who actually knows something about animation talk about animation

  • @meherali2942
    @meherali2942 2 года назад +199

    Ebisawa always mad me mad when I was a kid as I didn't understand why the art style changes so much after an episode and my parents used to ask why am I sad or angry and I usually said you wont get it despite my father being an artist.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 года назад +76

      Yeah haha I'll never forget when I was first watching Z and I came to Ebisawas section in ep 51 of when Vegeta was talking to the Namekians, I was so confused as to why the art style completely changed, now I know... Although he could draw some goofy expressions which always give me a laugh so I appreciate him for that lol.

    • @meherali2942
      @meherali2942 2 года назад +14

      @@forgottenrelics1197 Same, now as a teen

  • @DeanAmx
    @DeanAmx 2 года назад +126

    Whats weird is why they didnt just use keyframes from the movie. Boruto did that for the movie retelling in the series.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 года назад +50

      Very odd indeed

    • @mechajay3358
      @mechajay3358 2 года назад +30

      Demon Slayer also did with their recent tv series by using the animation from the movie. It would've made more sense the use it in Super given their poor scheduling.

    • @nicograms
      @nicograms 2 года назад +32

      @@mechajay3358 Demon Slayer is a different case. They simply played the movie divided into 6 episodes with a few new cuts and music.

    • @derock4art608
      @derock4art608 2 года назад +13

      It would have fixed the production schedule at least a little bit. Strange eh!

    • @Yuricorru
      @Yuricorru 2 года назад +4

      @@nicograms not really there was a lot of redrawn frames and animations along with the new prequel episode. It just looked pretty similar to the movies’ animation which kinda says how great the animators are

  • @Esperanto2
    @Esperanto2 2 года назад +82

    13:45 Ain’t no way it was so bad freeza just slides in the air.

    • @masterkent1
      @masterkent1 Год назад +7

      LMFAOOO I CANT UNSEE

    • @cyberdemon6517
      @cyberdemon6517 4 месяца назад

      actually hes not sliding hes standing on an invisible treadmill

  • @JuanFlores-gs7uu
    @JuanFlores-gs7uu 2 года назад +21

    Episode 130 literally gives me chills. One of my favorite episodes in dragon ball as a whole

  • @xaviermartinez4872
    @xaviermartinez4872 2 года назад +50

    Remember kids.
    The worst part about super is actually just how bad the aura can be at times.
    STOP IT WITH ADOBE AFTER EFFECTS
    also that weird blur fuzzy effect they give some other things.
    Anyone remember how they blurred Shida's cut on Battle of Gods? Sad.

    • @mechajay3358
      @mechajay3358 2 года назад +16

      I gotta agree, even though Goku vs Jiren fight was a amazing, they overdid it with the Aura.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад +1

      Agree about Super, but I don't remember it being a problem, in BOG.

    • @TonyTonyRedgrave
      @TonyTonyRedgrave 11 месяцев назад +1

      The auras look horrible. Just about ruins even the best animated parts for me.

  • @Vespyr_
    @Vespyr_ 5 месяцев назад +6

    16:14 It's actually amazing how much better DBS looks without the highlighting making everyone look like they're made of plastic. It's soooo much better just for this small scene. I'd have taken the whole show like this.

  • @bananavinegar6699
    @bananavinegar6699 2 года назад +14

    You know the animators slept when the animation is good

  • @hophoppington-hoppenhiemer2016
    @hophoppington-hoppenhiemer2016 2 года назад +47

    Good video, mad respect for including uncredited artists, supporting the unfortunately harassed staff of those early arcs and overall good flow and editing for the video.

  • @enigmadrath1780
    @enigmadrath1780 10 месяцев назад +11

    I don't think there's ever been a moment in history when the term "lazy animation" could be applied. Terrible animation can be blamed on a lot of things, and can be called a lot of things, but show me an animator who puts out bad work because they had SO MUCH time on their hands that they just lazily doodled something at a snail's pace and then just gave up because they couldn't be arsed anymore and handed it in. There's nothing lazy about being an animator :/

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 7 месяцев назад

      Reused animation is lazy.

    • @cpilfold420
      @cpilfold420 3 месяца назад

      Laziness exists in everything
      Doesn't seem you understand the meaning of the word and how universally applicable it is to any discipline.

  • @yadatada5556
    @yadatada5556 2 года назад +11

    17:54 wow didn't know vegeta was from the same planet as Megamind.

  • @You-ev7kl
    @You-ev7kl 2 года назад +29

    Before Super was made, I thought in my head that when it began, I expect to see nothing but near movie level production for this legendary series, because if any series deserves that, it's Super. I got bruh momented.

    • @aaryayt7747
      @aaryayt7747 2 года назад +2

      The latest movies look sick!

    • @derek2288
      @derek2288 2 года назад +14

      Sadly Toei is a bad studio, atleast the executives. Greedy asf

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 2 года назад +9

      Sorry but that's a stupid thing to say. Super is a weekly series, you can't expect it to have movie level quality animation .Super will definitely have a more healthy production and look better than before, when it returns. But if you're expecting movie level quality, sorry but the disappointment is on you.

    • @sylasexd
      @sylasexd Год назад +7

      Imagine expecting movie quality from a weekly anime☠️

    • @xdrastig_4207
      @xdrastig_4207 Год назад +3

      ​​​@@sylasexd Still isn't an excuse to turn 90% of its animation into shit and kill/change the artstyle of the series completely.
      If they already knew 90% of episodes will be subpar because of it being a weekly anime, just don't turn it into a weekly anime, simple as that, problem solved, only reason super got any streams is because it's dragonball related, unlike Z, if it was a stand-alone series it wouldn't live for long.
      Movies animation is what this series deserves since it's from arguably the most influential anime ever created, and, unlike Z, super didn't influence much

  • @nazarenomilohanich4883
    @nazarenomilohanich4883 2 года назад +284

    18:30 Damm, didn't knew Vegeta owned a whole ass bakery lmao. Jokes aside tho, I appreciate the bit at the beginning where you poke fun at those dumbasses who think is cool to go online and be an asshole to people who already have to deal with an incredibly exploitative and abusive industry. It's embarrasing people like this geniunely still exist, especially after all these years where the ugly side of the industry has been thoroughly documented and began to become more mainstream knowledge...

    • @IamJay02
      @IamJay02 2 года назад +20

      Oh my god finally someone who understands!!! I come across nothing but idiots who talk shit about the animators all the time. I feel horrible for them they're overworked and underpaid. It's saddening and gross.

    • @antoniosmith2610
      @antoniosmith2610 2 года назад +28

      Finally someone who gets and understands Vegeta’s bakery

    • @Carnomus
      @Carnomus 2 года назад +9

      Vegeta does have a whole ass bakery

    • @politedonut2637
      @politedonut2637 9 месяцев назад +1

      He owns 2

  • @dargossss
    @dargossss 2 года назад +20

    Thanks for the review, I skipped most of what the TV anime did with the plot of the movies, so I didn't catch any of this mess lol.
    I also have to mention the improvement on your videos, and maybe your english? In your early work I had trouble understanding, but now, I can follow everything. Keep up the good work!

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 года назад +11

      You're a lucky man then haha and thanks! Over time I've tried to focus on pronouncing everything with less of an accent to be clearer, I've got used to recording that way now :)

  • @slifer875
    @slifer875 2 года назад +121

    How about a Dragon ball GT best and worst animated episode in the future?

    • @ItsOver9000Productions
      @ItsOver9000Productions 2 года назад +43

      there was animation in GT?

    • @slifer875
      @slifer875 2 года назад +31

      @@ItsOver9000Productions mostly better than the first three arcs of DBS, hell the direction in GT in some of the episodes its some of the best in the entire franchise.
      As for Animation look up the fights against baby, super 17 and some of the early episodes, especially the awakening of baby.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 года назад +79

      GT was much less animated to both Z and Super so it makes it a little difficult. That doesn't mean it is absent of any well-animated scenes, but more so it's sporadic throughout an episode rather than anything consistent like episode 279 in Z or 130 in Super.
      The only action episode in GT that somewhat did was episode 24, although that's more so in the 2nd half. Episode 1 had some nice animation as well.

    • @geo-305
      @geo-305 2 года назад +3

      So no one is gonna mention the fight with baby vegeta is was pretty cool

    • @falconboi9126
      @falconboi9126 2 года назад +1

      @@forgottenrelics1197 there's always the option of doing a "best and worst animated scene in GT" or "most visually pleasing episode" though maybe with a slightly different name, just talking about direction and whatnot

  • @The-Determined-Ninja
    @The-Determined-Ninja 2 года назад +18

    Genuinely the breakdown providing the _proper_ understanding everyone needed, awesome job. ✨

  • @zombathinlostleghackercat5233
    @zombathinlostleghackercat5233 5 месяцев назад +4

    My favorite UI TOP moments are when Goku flies towards Jiren face to face in a bird pose, and when Goku backflips to dodge Jiren and he's hit with a barrage of high speed attacks even though Goku's not moving.

  • @3einEye
    @3einEye 2 года назад +75

    I really feel like the auras do a disservice to the great artwork in episode 130, I would've preferred if they tone them down a bit.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 года назад +40

      Yeah and the blur at times, still an improvement though from some of the earlier episodes.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад +23

      That was really an issue with that, when Vegeta new Blue form was shown, that hurt my eyes lol

    • @TazGaming141
      @TazGaming141 2 года назад +2

      @@j04370859 ikr😅I have to dim my phone just to look at the form good

    • @m0002856
      @m0002856 2 года назад +12

      Was gonna comment this same thing.
      The auras and whatever they use to make the characters look so damn shiny make things look so much worse.

    • @crystalbluepartain3434
      @crystalbluepartain3434 2 года назад

      @@j04370859 what ive seen of the broly movie hurt my eyes because theres so many cuts a d flips spins shaking it honestly annoyed me a bit

  • @MissNorington
    @MissNorington 2 года назад +4

    Wonderful work again! This is the best DB channel for me to date!

  • @endlord_1.185
    @endlord_1.185 Год назад +19

    11:03
    Beerus looks more like a dog with pointy ears than a cat in this shot lmao

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 Год назад +3

      So many of us were pointing that out at the time and said he looked like Scooby Doo. 😂

    • @shiny8454
      @shiny8454 3 месяца назад

      "Whis! I require a Scooby Snack!"

  • @paintbrush3554
    @paintbrush3554 2 года назад +3

    Great video as always

  • @turnerburger
    @turnerburger 2 года назад +51

    Guess Frieza just attracts poor animation lol

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 года назад +13

      seems so rip

    • @BigLittleShark
      @BigLittleShark 2 года назад

      I can’t remember what episode it is but 17 and Frieza vs Jiren has some absolutely amazing shots and animation too, so I don’t think this is entirely true.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад

      @@BigLittleShark I don't think he was saying, every episode he's in, looks bad, of course, there were a number or great looking one's from Z, but Frieza does happen to be in the worst looking episode, from Z, GT and Super lol

    • @BigLittleShark
      @BigLittleShark 2 года назад

      @@j04370859 true he's probably cursed

  • @SkyZer0
    @SkyZer0 2 года назад +8

    who needs Anime Ajay when we have this guy?

  • @BlueDINK7
    @BlueDINK7 Год назад +4

    People have zero empathy with art and artists, and lets not talk about animators... they are treated arguably like common definition of a slave most of the time in Japan, and even like that people still death threat them on twitter... while most of them dont even have a damn stable job and no need to have one someitmes even... no wonder why they have that much time to post shit on twitter.

  • @LowResCatExplosion
    @LowResCatExplosion Год назад +5

    11:04 Beerus looks like Scooby Doo wtf

  • @vegettoblack7852
    @vegettoblack7852 2 года назад +3

    Great analysis. Spot on. 130 is also my favorite animation in dbs. It's like when that fight with cell and goku was done by studio cockpit (I think it was them) and you could really see the drastic difference in quality.
    Not gonna lie though, as a kid it felt like that was the quality of animation for the entire series from that point on (but hey, I was a kid so give my nostalgia a break!)

  • @TheGame4eva
    @TheGame4eva Год назад +5

    Super has, by the end, one of the best animations i ever seen, on par with the best animations i've seen on One Piece. A new anime with near flawless animation is Jujutsu Kaisen, almost everything about it is amazing

  • @theultimateawesome5516
    @theultimateawesome5516 2 года назад +11

    Even episode 5 broadcast version I don’t know how people can compare the two. Ep 5 is better than episodes 24 and most of the ROF arc

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 года назад +5

      Same haha, I feel like part of the reason is that a decent amount of fans had stopped watching by then since it was another retelling or maybe skipped it altogether.

    • @mechajay3358
      @mechajay3358 2 года назад +6

      Yeah at least with 5 there was actual animation, 24 barely had any of that.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад

      Episode 5, is when the production went downhill, so people remember that one the most, many were making videos on it, plus still to this day, I see still images from that Goku vs Beerus fight, on Instagram lol

    • @diddlenfiddle7311
      @diddlenfiddle7311 2 года назад

      Internet rumour spread like wildfire. I bet alot of people to say ep5 is bad havn't even seen it.

  • @AlphaWasSpotted
    @AlphaWasSpotted 2 года назад +7

    you would think animators would get great pay and treated better, bizzare how such an essential part of the process is so little compensated

  • @AnExstravagancy
    @AnExstravagancy 2 года назад +4

    Im very glad that dbs animation and style gradually got better as the episodes went on, and even better when the broly movie came out, comes to show you what they are capable of with enough time and budget

  • @sonkun4157
    @sonkun4157 2 года назад +17

    Im confused on how you only have over 25k subs. I think i can objectively say you are the best dragon ball youtuber.
    The quality and effort you put into your videos are unmatched. You also never cut corners by posting clickbait videos or forcing videos about new content dragon ball just for views. You are a true warrior at heart.
    All that is not even to mention the fact that you shoutout small artists in your videos.
    Keep doing your thing, you are doing what you do in the most honest true passionate way possible, like a real man.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 года назад +10

      I get a lot of supportive messages but this one really hit home. Even so, I personally don't see myself as the best, there is still a lot I would like to improve on, regardless if there are even a couple of people out there who feel that way about the channel, it makes me truly happy. Thank you for the encouragement.

    • @diddlenfiddle7311
      @diddlenfiddle7311 2 года назад +3

      I think talking about in show stuff is more popular than out of show, which is a shame because now I find the process of how the show's made to be soo fascinating.
      So yea I don't think that number reflects lack of quality at all. Every one of these videos all seem really well made.

    • @sonkun4157
      @sonkun4157 2 года назад +6

      @@forgottenrelics1197 Thank you for the content, im excited to keep watching in the future. Im not surprised you look at it that way because thats the right mindset to have.
      No doubt with the quality and depth you put into your videos, on top of your humbleness (which reminds me and other viewers of dragon ball in some ways) youll keep pushing and go way further than you already have, which is already very impressive.

  • @kanyekubrick5391
    @kanyekubrick5391 2 года назад +34

    The one episode where Goku loses his powers due to overtraining, there’s a sequence where Goten lays on his lap. The animation was so bad that I almost quit watching the show.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад +4

      Art was bad, but that's my favourite filler episode of Super lol

    • @supermegadong7597
      @supermegadong7597 Год назад

      Almost every scene with goten they ruin. Epsidoe 1 or 2 he falls off a cliff and it’s some how hyped to be scarred. BRO HE IS A SUPER SAYIAN

    • @Sydney-wi1ym
      @Sydney-wi1ym 8 месяцев назад

      Well you want a cookie for that?

    • @kanyekubrick5391
      @kanyekubrick5391 8 месяцев назад

      @@Sydney-wi1ym sure, that sounds great. I’d love one

  • @SuperArystoteles
    @SuperArystoteles Год назад +2

    Do not forget about first reveal of kaioken + ssj blue.
    That animation was sick!

  • @vegettoblack7852
    @vegettoblack7852 2 года назад +1

    Oh wow right after I posted my comment you reference the studio cockpit animation! Just found your channel but I love your commentary. 10/10

  • @faustovii1085
    @faustovii1085 Год назад +3

    most of DB Super episodes until Black Goku Arc felt like a final project of a secondary school

  • @goncalobaia1574
    @goncalobaia1574 Год назад +1

    For me it was episode 122. I found myself pausing every half second just to look at the individual frames for being so good. More than the animation was the drawing itself, I only watched the whole show now and I was blown away, they actually got that rough perfection that seemed to be lost in the 90s.
    I also have to admire the "remake" of red SSG, even though it's the same, the fact that it looks serious as hell (the face and eyes) makes it feel really dope

  • @Gaming_Hub_UK
    @Gaming_Hub_UK 2 года назад +7

    Great video and I really enjoy these animation break downs as for an artist like me it helps me understand more about the importance of shading and movements in characters when drawing.
    Also I really found this part hilarious when u said path the power from 1906 😂😂 12:53

  • @EDZEN94
    @EDZEN94 Год назад +4

    11:03 Ah yes, Lord Scooby Doo

  • @catherinejaddii828
    @catherinejaddii828 2 года назад +22

    I love it when people who claim to be "progressive" and "socialists" harass animators on Twitter who get paid slave wages. Like come on.

  • @jaded9436
    @jaded9436 2 года назад +1

    No way, I was just looking through your videos a couple of days ago hoping to find this exact video

  • @sharperwhisper9752
    @sharperwhisper9752 2 года назад +4

    0:32 is the best part of the vid it was so funny XD

  • @MinhLe19303
    @MinhLe19303 2 года назад +8

    It's insulting to to called that episode "Ebisawa-equivilent," because even his episode has more effort that shit. It's maddening why people still believe Ep.5 is worse.

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 2 года назад

      Super was more watched in the very beginning, episode 5 was the start of the bad animation, that got a lot of attention and memes. By the time we got to that Frieza episode, I think a lot of people dropped the show, due to the animation, another movie retelling, plus how much worse the anime made ROF, with their changes. So it got far less hate than episode 5, despite looking much worse.

  • @Blevin1080
    @Blevin1080 2 года назад +2

    Dude, you make great videos.

  • @specialnewb9821
    @specialnewb9821 2 года назад +6

    Heh, at this point the production notes probably say "Shida draws something awesome."
    Great break down of both episodes! Really love your analysis

  • @isaacnewtb
    @isaacnewtb 2 года назад +26

    What did you think of the animation quality in the new super hero trailer? I think it has shown some nice improvements and I'm definitely more excited for the fights in there despite the cg

    • @jangofett7593
      @jangofett7593 2 года назад +6

      I think they are trying to do something new with the cgi that they hope people who watch Dragon Ball would like better, I still prefer the old animations but their intention was surely good

    • @kytsunee6324
      @kytsunee6324 2 года назад +3

      @@jangofett7593
      It’s mostly a passion project where Toriyama wanted to do something unique and that’s nice, but I doubt it’s going to be the series’ style going forward. Hopefully, they will choose Shintano instead of Yamamuro as the animation director and character designer for the next cour of Dragon Ball Super. I feel like his style can definitely serve the series well, if paired with what we could at least consider a decent production schedule, of course.

    • @jangofett7593
      @jangofett7593 2 года назад

      @@kytsunee6324 Yeah the CGI is probably only for this movie. I like Yamamuro's animation style a bit more than Shintani's personally, but it doesn't really matter aslong as it's one of them I am fine with it, both of them showed us how good they are when executed well.

    • @crystalbluepartain3434
      @crystalbluepartain3434 2 года назад

      its definitely better then most cgi anime in my opinion but at times it also looks kinda bad. some of it look really good but i definitely prefer hand drawn

    • @crystalbluepartain3434
      @crystalbluepartain3434 2 года назад

      not that i know anything about animation tbh

  • @blackatem1174
    @blackatem1174 2 года назад +3

    The problem with protecting Super is. Super is 30 years after Z. DragonBall is presently one of the largest anime franchise effort.
    The budget should not have been this low. The release schedule should not have been rushed.
    You would think the world's most popular anime ever would look better than this especially the Godfather of action. Anime.
    Super got good in tournament of power. It's a billion dollar franchise. How did they release trash for almost 100 episodes

    • @derek2288
      @derek2288 2 года назад +2

      We really should start blaming toei not the animators. Fucking greedy people

    • @darling..............
      @darling.............. Год назад

      Even the top arc was trash,all of the tension literally becomes nonexistant when 17 just wishes them all back and the main "antagonist" is as compelling as a brick wall,and the way both piccolo and krillin get wasted is extremely sad when both had their own arc and moments before the top arc,and the only good episodes being when either goku and vegeta work togethor or when goku goes UI agaisnt jiren

    • @Sydney-wi1ym
      @Sydney-wi1ym 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@darling..............by that logic the cell, namek and buu saga have non-existent tension.

  • @forresthoulgrave1541
    @forresthoulgrave1541 Год назад +1

    Dude THANK YOU for choosing ep 24 for this conversation, the internet meme'd ep 5 to death but I always thought 24 was the lowest point for the series visually. Just so many bad keyframes with the stiffest animation in between

  • @Milos15GameplaysYT
    @Milos15GameplaysYT 2 года назад +4

    The thick lines do somewhat remind me of Seizo Toma. But I doubt he even worked on the episode uncredited as his next episode, after 4, was 33.

    • @daykuohtwo8422
      @daykuohtwo8422 2 года назад +1

      It reminded me of his work too, but from what I remember his faces were quite narrow and characters had pointy ears

  • @TheHaremReviewer
    @TheHaremReviewer 2 года назад +5

    Would like to see you cover some animation from the original Z films

  • @wont0repeat446
    @wont0repeat446 2 года назад +4

    Wow man you know shit..gotta hit a like.
    And yeah. I’m tired of people saying dbs is trash and a embrassemnt to z

  • @Apsolon
    @Apsolon Год назад +2

    Harassing peoples on twitter. Truly an America moments.

  • @dulguunshallot1018
    @dulguunshallot1018 2 года назад +3

    How can they not give enough time bugdet to the sequel of 1 of the most popular anime

  • @jumpfold
    @jumpfold Год назад +10

    Appreciate the animators they deserve respect.

  • @aagamer43
    @aagamer43 2 года назад +5

    Ngl the dream db show is shida animation with Takahashi Character designs

    • @TheSoulExplorer
      @TheSoulExplorer 2 года назад +3

      I love Takahashi but I prefer the Shintani style to be honest. Takahashi is a throwback to the good Yamamuro days and I think that Dragon Ball needs something new. Not to mention that Shida's level of animation is easier to pull of with simplistic designs.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад +3

      @TheSoulExplorer I mean, the Yamamuro era in Z, was probably the peak of DB art, also the most iconic, his style is always replicated, when fans draw DB, it's hard not to want that back, for the series as a whole, but I can appreciate change.

    • @TheSoulExplorer
      @TheSoulExplorer 2 года назад

      @@j04370859 That's the thing, it is overdone. A new style would be a much needed change.

    • @goldman77700
      @goldman77700 2 года назад +1

      @@TheSoulExplorer I prefer Yamamuro design vastly but yeah Shintani is the best "redesign" I've seen in anime ever. I hope it stays.

  • @Texshy
    @Texshy 2 года назад +11

    I skipped the first 2 arcs to get to the stuff that wasn't retelling the movies. So I missed a lot of the terrible animation.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  2 года назад +10

      Yeah I think a lot of people did lol

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад +3

      The first 3 episodes looked nice though and don't skip the one with Vegeta spending a vacation with his family.

    • @waspywasp451
      @waspywasp451 2 года назад +1

      @@j04370859 I think Battle of God's anime retelling had a decent argument to not be skipped, but, bar one episode on Beerus' planet, Frieza's arc is entirely skippable tbh

  • @UnwantedGhost1
    @UnwantedGhost1 2 года назад +3

    When (or more likely if) the Dragonball anime return later on, the animation directors better not repeat Frieza one arm spinning Goku. I just can't bare another one. 😱

  • @pranshusrivastava8353
    @pranshusrivastava8353 2 года назад +4

    I'm just a bit sad you didn't choose the episode of Goku against K&C (Episode 114 as well as the one where vegeta vs jiren happened) as the best because Takahashi as the key animator was so on point in that one. The characters looked just brilliant.

    • @TruxySSJ
      @TruxySSJ Год назад

      Bruh
      That would be the best LOOKING chapter and not the best ANIMATED chapter
      Drawings ≠ Animation

  • @BakenReel
    @BakenReel 2 года назад +2

    Vegeta, The Prince of McDonalds' 17:53

  • @SuperSamPam
    @SuperSamPam 2 года назад +5

    R u gonna do animation analysis on the new DBSSH trailer?

  • @SuperMasterJefe
    @SuperMasterJefe 2 года назад +3

    Tate and his team are my favorite animators. It kinda feels like the "more is less" thing toriyama follows. Less detail led to more dynamic action setting his team apart from the rest

  • @devonmorris7052
    @devonmorris7052 2 года назад +2

    You should do the original dragon balls best and worst animated episodes

  • @pillow1557
    @pillow1557 2 года назад +3

    Animating is very hard,I tried to Animate 7-8 seconds animation,it took me 4 hours..and I feel them
    Also sometimes it makes me sad that some nature background is only shown for some seconds like they spend lots of time on that background just to be shown for some seconds..

  • @treyvonishere4375
    @treyvonishere4375 4 месяца назад +1

    I just wanna know why Toei wanted to start a new anime 3-4 months immediately after a movie and roughly a year and a half after the previous movie. Super coming out in 2016 would’ve saved a bit more in the quality assuming they still wanted all that merch money. Also making it’s two first arcs recaps and drawn out versions of movies we had just gotten is really odd to me but at this point it’s not uncommon for the franchise.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  4 месяца назад +1

      Part of the reason was to keep Dragon Ball Kai's timeslot which finished up the week before Supers first episode aired. So releasing in 2016 would've taken that away.
      There's also the marketing/promotion tie in of dropping a new movie around the same time a new DB series has started. But personally like any other fan I would've much preferred for it to have released at a later date.

  • @seankkg
    @seankkg 2 года назад +2

    I'd love to learn more about FMA animators.

  • @ultraplayer4594
    @ultraplayer4594 Год назад +1

    Bro 130 was so hype

  • @enricotucci
    @enricotucci 2 года назад +3

    I just feel like super's animation has a few things that bother me, especially the ki blasts and the terrain, i mean i know they can't make each episode like the broly movie, but i guess i prefer the dbz old style

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 2 года назад

      Well you watched the video, Super had a lousy production schedule, it's not because you prefer how Z looked.

  • @BIGFLEXX19
    @BIGFLEXX19 4 месяца назад

    i really like sharp and triangular look the of dragon ball super that naotoshi shida did it makes the characters feel like there trying and i love that every thing feel more serious and aggressive with that style of drawing it's just tooo good

  • @Unethical.Dodgson
    @Unethical.Dodgson 2 года назад +1

    "Hai-deki Heero Sheemah"
    I've forgiven a lot of pronunciation mistakes thus far but this one was unforgivable.

  • @jnascimento7023
    @jnascimento7023 2 года назад +3

    one thing that i always critique about dbs in its first episodes was how they made 3 shades in the hair
    especially goku
    maybe its just me but this use of 3 grade shading is just unappealing and over the necessary amount
    although they did remove that on the newer material ( with the exception of heroes-the game promo anime) and its honestly far better than the yamamuro current plastic pallete color style

    • @Waqas_Khan02
      @Waqas_Khan02 2 года назад +3

      agreed I personally perfer no shade or 1 shade when the character has black hair.
      2 or 3 shade look good in different hair colour.

  • @KitKatThatAnimates
    @KitKatThatAnimates 2 года назад +2

    Ngl ep 5 was pretty good, the drawings at some parts eh... but the animation or whatever was nice, and the ssj 3 transformation as very nice.

  • @AsagiriGennn
    @AsagiriGennn 2 года назад +1

    16:22 The scene with the thick lines might be Seizo Toma. He likes to use super thick lines.

  • @SirL_56
    @SirL_56 Год назад +1

    goku vs cell and goku vs jiren were imo the best animated fights so far

  • @yussefcheaitou
    @yussefcheaitou 4 месяца назад +1

    I could sense the difference when I viewed ep. 130, the animation was so good in comparison to all I had seen in the rest of the anime. Vegito's appearance also had some good animation.

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 4 месяца назад

      Those last 3 episodes of Super looked great.

  • @geetesh_10
    @geetesh_10 2 года назад +2

    Want a og dragon ball one next time

  • @joshuasmith4643
    @joshuasmith4643 Год назад +1

    They honestly shouldn't have made super with two of the four arcs being movies, and just delayed the release with only having future and TOP arcs being high end animated, because boi was early super rough.

  • @Yuricorru
    @Yuricorru 2 года назад

    I love this thank you a fellow understander that just like Z, Super has it’s low downs and mountain ups

  • @1Soltis
    @1Soltis 4 месяца назад +1

    Nice but why would you have this purple background and not the video full screen…? Watching on my phone btw

  • @PomadaGaming
    @PomadaGaming Год назад +1

    0:05 mhm

    • @PomadaGaming
      @PomadaGaming Год назад +1

      0:23 ha yeah 130
      1:27 mhm
      1:40 bruh yea…
      1:54 bro this looks like looney tunes
      2:21 oh yea let’s go
      3:20 hm
      5:50 hm,indeed
      7:03 welp
      8:34 oh this…
      The insane-est part
      9:56 hyea
      10:36 oh no i’m already cringing
      11:08 oh my god
      11:44 understood

  • @supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688
    @supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688 2 года назад +1

    Could you perhaps make a video on Tu Yong-Ce as I feel like not that many people Take about him besides from his work on One Piece

  • @williamhowells806
    @williamhowells806 Год назад +1

    130 is the best animation to come from any part of the dragon ball shows

  • @sketchydude8431
    @sketchydude8431 2 года назад +7

    This show... I'm very incredibly mixed on.
    On one hand, this show does tend to have some of the highest highs in the entire series. some of the concepts being kinda interesting, the setup to the T.O.P... aside from the "Tien Shinhan" episode, and the finale being some of the hypest shit in the entire franchise. I also appreciate it utilizing different characters and bringing them to a new light, such as Roshi, Android 17 and Freeza especially.
    I also like the new characters. Beerus is really fun and almost always a treat, Zamasu and Goku Black, while I do have problems with, I still appreciate their concept that makes them more than just "evil Goku."
    I also really like the intro and ending themes, some of them of are legit some of the best songs in dragon ball imo.
    But on the other hand... This show is kinda garbage lmao
    It has some the lowest lows.
    Battle of Gods wasn't bad for an introduction to the series despite some hiccups, but Resurrection F was legitimately the WORST, and most PAINFUL anime experiences I've ever had (the animation still gives me nightmares)
    Filler arcs were innoffensive at best
    The Goku Black arc, while not as bad as the previous, I still think isn't that great.
    The characters took a deep dive into dumbass street, Goku not being recognizable from before and for some reason most of the characters having the bright idea to go to the future not once, but 3 times all to get their asses kicked.
    The way trunks learns the mafuba is convoluted, Vegito is cool but only exists for merch (he doesn't even gain Vegetas chest plate for crying out loud) and the finale is legit one of the lamest finales out there, completely wasting the characters efforts and just killing everyone, and erasing everything.
    Already mentioned what I liked about the T.O.P, but I still have problems with it
    The way Piccolo and Krillin were knocked out is dumb (Krillin having an entire arc wasted, and Piccolo losing against an opponent he should've been perfectly well equiped against.)
    Tien was wasted, like in the rest of this dumb show (which hurts since he's my favorite character)
    The background and setting are legit ugly, just a big green and black sky, and Toppo just decided to make it worst!
    And then introducing the whole "universe that loses gets erased" is only there for an artificial form of tension, since the real antagonist is about as compelling as a brick wall.
    Overall, I really DONT get why this is some people's favorite show
    I like some stuff, but other stuff is legit the worst part about dragon ball for me
    I'd argue this show is worst than GT ,but I honestly don't care since at the end of the day both shows are bad, and I don't care.

    • @DestroAzureDx
      @DestroAzureDx 2 года назад +2

      I agree gt was overall better it just had the issue of being very boring as they tried to make a mix of z and og dragonball which dragon ball as much as I love it is a bit outdated in terms of comedy etc.
      Dragon ball gt is boring outside of certain points and dragon ball super is soulless dragon ball. I feel the animators had to scramble to do anything because they didnt have a manga to base ANYTHING off of and as such the super anime looked as bad as it did. They had to keep it cheap enough to be worth it and over work because these animators dont just work on one anime the backgrounds in early super was especially bad. Alot of strikes felt like they had no impact.
      I dont blame the animators but I think whomever greenlighted super shouldve realized dragon ball is ultimate centered around its animation/visuals/fight scenes even the games are and alot of arcs are handled well considering they have very little direction going forward but overall they just lack a certain something. Hopefully when super returns because the manga is a thing itll have far better direction n everything up above.
      Dragon ball super took the route of the ends justifies the means and while ultra instinct was hype and very well animated. I had to watch the entirety or at least most of super to get there. Most anime focuses on making the journey enjoyable, Building or bolstering fandoms super did that then immediately dropped the ball. My most hated moments are battle of gods, resurrection F, the rourney between universe 6 and 7, the mid/end of the goku black Saga, a good chunk of the tournament of power felt like filler. I feel like having like 50 episodes apparently spread across 30 minutes of actual in universe time makes everything feel super awkward.

    • @perreban
      @perreban Год назад +1

      Nah nothing can be worse than GT 💀

    • @perreban
      @perreban Год назад +1

      Super is mediocre, not good but not bad either, GT on the other hand, well... it was mostly a Goku-only show with some decent ideas and poor execution along with its non existent animation

  • @KakashiHatake-mz6ug
    @KakashiHatake-mz6ug 2 года назад +2

    Instead of watching the first 2 arcs of Super, it's much better to watch Battle Of Gods & Resurrection F. At least the animation is very good

  • @CeratedLotus
    @CeratedLotus 5 месяцев назад +2

    The z and gt meatiders in the comments are insane

  • @mbappiani5809
    @mbappiani5809 2 года назад +2

    It would be cool if you do this with Naruto

  • @Rabbitron
    @Rabbitron 2 года назад +1

    8:42

    • @supermegadong7597
      @supermegadong7597 Год назад

      That’s how it should have been since episode one and stayed that way

  • @Kenpai_TDG
    @Kenpai_TDG 2 года назад

    Yoo nice video dude! mind doing something like that in specific one piece arcs or whatever anime ? ^^

  • @clifton8566
    @clifton8566 Год назад

    the epsiode where vegeta and goku fought jiren in blue was also really good too. the episode where vegeta fired a final flash at jiren

  • @AkatsukiClash
    @AkatsukiClash 2 года назад +1

    Thank you!

  • @slewdry8233
    @slewdry8233 2 года назад +2

    you can have fast and cheap but it won't be good
    you can have fast and good but it won't be cheap
    you can have good and cheap but it won't be fast
    but you can't have good,cheap and fast that is impossible

  • @IIIISai
    @IIIISai 2 года назад +1

    6:18 Ikr the slim Mui looks sick, it's sad though besides these few scenes most people look at the bulky mui in the other scenes and say it looks trash 🤧, Slim Mui in the anime, and in the manga Heat

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад

      Who says that? Most people, prefer the bulk.

    • @IIIISai
      @IIIISai 2 года назад

      @@j04370859 No most people prefer the slim, How do u never see the hate anime Mui gets, it's alot, the reason is because of the bulk

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад

      @@IIIISai I haven't seen anyone say that, wherever you're reading that from, it's just a minority. One of the critiques about DBS, is how slim the characters look now, everyone misses when the characters, looked more bulky, I don't know why anyone would complain about this.

    • @IIIISai
      @IIIISai 2 года назад

      @@j04370859 I get what you're saying and it's true, but believe me when i talk about mui, If you ask anyone they trash on anime mui, but love manga, reason is literally because he's not slim

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 2 года назад

      @@IIIISai But he is slim, in the manga, much slimmer than the anime.

  • @AkatsukiClash
    @AkatsukiClash 2 года назад +1

    Dude, I cant even tell if youre trying to be funny, but youre FUNNY! 🤣

  • @Galacticbluedesu
    @Galacticbluedesu 2 года назад

    i would like naotoshi animate a sequence if there is at some point, of vegeta evading blast while holding bulma, that would look so sick

  • @KAKAR0110
    @KAKAR0110 2 года назад

    I wish that I go back in time to learn the db style in the 90’s