As a reminder, Piccolo lost the Tournament of Power because he didn’t hear his opponent. I repeat, Piccolo lost because he didn’t HEAR his opponent. PICCOLO lost because he didn’t HEAR his opponent. PICCOLO, the Namekian, the guy that can literally hear a conversation from ACROSS the EARTH lost because he didn’t HEAR his opponent.
Super Saiyan Legend I find the way he lost ANNOYING AS FUCK, because he literally heard a CLEAR conversation from trunks and goku way fucking far away that the other z fighters can’t hear, yet he can’t hear a little ass bug close to him smhhhhh
It's fucking stupid indeed. What's more triggering is how always Piccolo was depicted as that wise tactician and he didn't even try to use any ki attacks. He could just pummel the ground or do that omnidirectional explosion or anything... Super hasn; done dirty anyone as much as Piccolo
@@wherearemypowers I'm not sure about that. Humans were fodder since the beggining of Z pretty much. Piccolo in middle of Cell saga was top tier and in Super he trained Gohan in preparations for ToP. So people expect way more from him. Also the way Piccolo lost wasn't JUST dirty, it didn't make any sense.
Swag I wanna say congrats because in your “I do not like dragon ball super” video you said girlfriend and in this one you said fiancé so good for you man
Him going from pre Super Saiyan power, to matching a Fused, Super Saiyan Blue Warrior with now decades of experience and absurd level of power, was fucking absurd.
I know right literally can you imagine if you have to work with your murderer? to know this guy not only killed your father but your entire race of people and left you with a dumbass that doesn't even see how dangerous that is letting them on the team this is the same guy that aimed a kill beam at his wife. but Goku is like "Nah it's okay I'll keep an eye on him!" like a f****** retard that he is. Honestly they just spoiling Goku like a Gary Sue in fanfic.
Goku: I've trained my whole life and now I have god Ki. Frieza: give me four months. Goku: I've now achieved ultra instinct. Frieza: give me another four more months.
Goku: I've now achieved power higher than anyone in the multiverse, and I've trained so that even Zeno can't erase me. Frieza: give me another four months
@@RobT302 almost as strong as a ss1 because frieza was defeated by a ss1,frieza trained four months and now he's as strong as ssb goku? It's bs, dragonball super it's stupid.
Yes, and it was very cathartic to know he still got the crap beaten out of him for over sn hour while Goku and Vegeta were perfecting the fusion dance.
@@brookerickettson4950 to be fair he lasted longer against broly than goku and vegeta did together tho lol. And at the end he was like completely fine just really fucking annoyed.
@@ghettokage6104 how can’t be the artwork cuz its all cramped in tiny boxes can’t be fights cuz its no moving images can’t be the writing cuz that sucks in the manga god not selling me here boi
Francesco Lombardi hopefully they’ll start up the super anime again and we’ll get to see piccolo actually do something besides charging the special bean cannon.
real dragonball fans hate dragonball super. All followers (Fake fans) who didn't watch Dragonball in their childhood, they like Dragonball Super. (Sry my english isnt flawless, im from germany)
I was just on a swagkage marathon then swag drops a 40min video. Let’s go!! Edit: Also swag, perhaps I’m late to the party, but I noticed you referred to your SO as fiancée and not girlfriend like in your past videos. Congrats my guy!
Dragon ball: Toriyama’s homage to old martial arts movies. Dragon ball z: a homage to science fiction Toriyama was inspired by. Dragon ball GT: a homage to Toriyama’s work. Dragon ball super: Toriyama cashing in
@@dabidflores7505 yeah you're right, also toriyama made the BOG movie just to respark the dbz community again but after that toei pressured him into making a new series to make more money, hence the fuck up that is dbs.
You know Goku black arc is shit when xenoverse 2 developers changed the ending so Trunks would get the power from all timelines so it would make atleast a little sense. Actually that is my favourite thing
Only problem is how does he know the Spirit Bomb? In fact they have ripoff/copy and paste/more pointless fanservice from the Saiyan Arc with Goku making the Spirit Bomb.
Insania the arc itself was kinda good and entertaining but the ending was the dumbest thing ever and that kinda ruined it but I think that would have been better too lmao
21:02 As for the fanfiction part, its actually very easy to tell who's idea this was, it was Toyotaro. You see, back in the late 2000s around the pre-BoG days, Toyotaro was writing his own DBZ spinoff manga called DBAF featuring super saiyan 5, I'm sure even new DB fans remember it, and on a side note its actually a really amazing fan manga contrary to the crap Toyotaro now produces in Super, but aside from that, in the DBAF mangas there's an evil Goku arc, a Goku from some alternate dimension or universe where he's evil, he has his own evil super saiyan forms and everything, and even wears the same dark clothing as Goku Black, along with a signature move called the Dark Kamehameha, if this all sounds familiar then it should because Toyotaro literally just put all of this in DBS, except in a far worse way than those fan mangas. Also that whole Supreme Kai going rogue schtick, that's also from DBAF, its literally from the first Xicor arc where Goku's DNA is stolen by the West Supreme Kai and she uses it to create her and Goku's child Xicor and decides to commit mass genocide. Point is, these concepts are really amazing and were executed very well in fan mangas but, as always, when DBS tried it, it came as the worst possible iteration of it. Having read the DBAF mangas I was so excited to see an official evil Goku/Supreme Kai are but I was majorly disappointed.
Also the idea of switching forms even when it makes no narrative sense to is also something he did. He tried to make it seem like ssj3, trunks bulky grade 3, and ssj4 were all better at something even though it makes no sense and Vegeta could switch between them at will.
YES. This is one of the reasons why the Android Arc was my favorite of the series. Super Saiyan was limited at that time to 3 or 4 people only (if you count Gohan later), and it was a feat that only could be achieved through incredible pain. As Vegeta said later, it's become a Super Saiyan bargain sale, lol. I truly wish SSjin 3 and beyond were never invented and that the series focused more on plot and techniques than tourneys and raw power displays. It would've been better for it.
@@SpectreStatus well to be fair, the form was the reason Goku could keep up with Fat Buu and ONE OF the reasons why anyone even survived the Buu arc. But yeah, as a form alone, it's not that great in practicality unless mastered. Still cool though.
@Frederick Bo Weesgaard Jønsson 8B Tårs undervisningssted no he's saying if during the namek saga,if frieza train just for ONE DAY,he can probably beat ssj goku
Bringing Frieza back - an enemy weaker than an unmastered regular Super Saiyan - as an enemy stronger than a Super Saiyan God with the excuse that he was a lazy bastard who never trained was lame and set the whole tone of the series for me.
Bruh I thought I was the only one thinking this. To add to it, where is the justice?? Frieza oppresses then kills all the Saiyans, except a few, and gets to come back as the main character?
@@XtevenGan No, don't try that. Vegeta and Buu have both had their redemption moments where they eventually fought for something other than theirself. Frieza is still very much evil.
He is a BIT wrong about freeza tho, or at least it seems like he is. He seems to believe that mecha freeza is on the same level as namek freeza, which is not true, mecha freeza is stronger, which is why freeza thought it was ok not to train to fight goku, he'd already gotten stronger just through mechanical enhancement, so I'll give freeza a bit of leeway here as swag makes it sound like freeza is just retardedly going back in at the same power level thinking that would be ok, other than that I really didn't have any problems with the vid and this was just a small nitpick
@@kenan-b Yea he got stronger though they didn't take their time remaking him while Dr Gero did with 18 and 17 they kinda rush him freeza and clearly didn't have the technology that Dr Gero had.
@@supaseru9736 The difference between Mecha Frieza and 17 and 18 is that the androids were made on a cellular level and have little mechanical enhancements. They are strong because they are no longer human. Dont need to eat, sleep and have unlimited energy. They also grow stronger faster also. (Look at 17)
you have to keep in mind that a few minutes before, a kamehameha from goku blue was able to damage zamasu at a cellular level and break his "immortality", yet a final kamehameha from vegitto blue couldnt even scratch zamasu...that makes vegittos return even more dissapointing
The thing that always bothered me about the Goku Black arc is that they have time travel so they could stay in the normal timeline and train for years and just go back to exactly when Trunks left and be way more powerful
They explained in the manga that the world that they want to save is still moving along. As in if a day has passed, they can't use the time machine to go to that timeline but one day earlier cause it won't be the same timeline
I liked 17 in Super, I really did. But dear god did they ass pull his power. He stops poachers for a few years and that just suddenly makes him as strong as SSJB and able to take down Jiren a few times.
DBS lacks tension... I mean, literally everything bad that is happening in DBS can be fixed by Whis and/or destroyed by Beerus so there's literally nothing to worry about :/ Edit: tournament of power is an exceptation
Aqua Pr The ToP had the most “predictable ending” of all time, BUT. It was extremely well executed given the circumstances, let’s give credit where credit is due- Frieza and Goku taking Jiren off and 17 being the winner literally wasn’t predicted by anyone on youtube, so that was neat. Also, the Goku Black arc kinda had a way around the whole Beerus and Whis problem with that “gods aren’t allowed to time travel” or some shit
Not really, because Beerus and Whis are neutral, and will only help when something that threatens the universe happens. They can't just be called to fix every little problem. The REAL reason why DBS lacks tension, is sheer bad writing... and power levels, though power levels as they are used today are a result of bad writing. There's little reason to worry about anything when the characters can reach universal levels with no effort whatsoever, but their opponents are shown to be barely at buu level, and at times the writing is so predictable that you already know what's gonna happen anyways.
real dragonball fans hate dragonball super. All followers (Fake fans) who didn't watch Dragonball in their childhood, they like Dragonball Super. (Sry my english isnt flawless, im from germany)
Yeah but heros has nothing to do with main story other then dragon ball,dragon ball z & dragon ball super & manga currently where super is continuing atm has anything to do with story & characters forms......heros is dope but its all show for fight scenes it's just follows the exnoverse game story has nothing to do with anything for story of dragon ball kinda like towa & mira created for games heros is just what dragon ball would be if they ran with the exnoverse game story & put it into the anime
You guys remember when Hakai used to be really cool? It was a technique that the Gods of Destruction can do in order to literally DESTROY their enemies! Or at least was, until they turned it into another bland energy attack.
@@StarDolph1n I think it was him along with one of the Universe 9 assassins who used some energy of their G.O.D. against True Golden Frieza that one time.
At least it has SOME visual distinction to it. Instead of blowing up the rocks in a massive dust explosion, they were disintegrated into purplish-pink dust. That's like, the bare minimum difference, but at least it's something?
He never says he "trained" with his father. The manga has an extremely ambiguous dialogue with Freezer implying he has, somewhat, fougth his father (maybe not even a figth, maybe Cold just beat yhe shit out of him). Nothing about training AT. ALL.
Honestly it kinda was: 1.) never felt tension 2.) Goku became the clown vegeta always accused him of being 3.) Piccolo became a running Joke 4.) Gohans demeanor was one of a major “try-hard”. Would’ve been better if he was more returning for his love of fighting than a necessity 5.) No Faulconer music 6.) extreme power scaling 7.) SS3 becoming a more useless transformation than ever before People like to call Buu Saga a shit show but it was at least a serious one
@@dillpickle7400 an example being how in the beginning of the series. It's said God ki trumps all other ki and 1 arc later frieza with no God ki comes in an whoops goku but this is brushed aside due to "training" and "potential" and in the u6 a base cabba without ssj or God ki has equal power to a vegeta who has god ki and trained with whis for nearly over a year. There's more but that's just a few
@ Yeah, I miss back when their lives actually mattered, and not everything led to a massive fight on a universal scale. Not even that, but I miss when Son Goku's *original friends* are just side characters to the kids now. It just makes me sad lol
Look man...I love me some dragonball but I will admit Super has many things that I don’t like.....like the U6 saiyans pulling transformations out of their asses...
You don't need to watch the show with an analytical* eye to see that they absolutely ruined everything about the show that made it enjoyable when you and I were children. Even if you don't care about power scaling, like Swagkage said all throughout the video, it's impossible to get invested into a story where the writers literally didn't care what they were putting out, and where they just made Goku go a different color every time there was any kind of adversity that they couldn't bullshit their way through
Well the vast majority of his critisms were the same or didn't make sense, that's why. All he mostly did was complain about powerscaling, pacing, misunderstand the show, or nitpick at small details. He could've made more valid criticisms if he talked about the poor animation, character representation, or other things, but he instead chose to focus on the small parts of the show that no one watches Dragon Ball for anyways. Like, I don't think anyone has expected Dragon Ball Powerscaling to make sense since the Cell Saga, yet he still spends a large amount of time talking about it as if he is making some mind blowing revelations. This doesn't feel like an objective review of Dragon Ball Super like he tried to make it seem in the beginning and from the title. It is just the same as his past videos, where he rants about things based on his misunderstanding of the show, and powerscaling. What I mean by this is that he downplays the cool or important moments of the arc, but magnifies the tinniest nitpicks. He should stick to making Naruto videos, because anytime he strives away from it his videos are just bad.
You forgot to mention that had the fusion not been retconned, that scene where Kibito and Shin defused by wishing for it a few episodes prior would've been excellent foreshadowing. They could've fused, beat Zamasu, then wondered "what now" and everyone's like "guess they'll have to get used to living together..." And then Shin could've exclaimed "WAIT! You can just use the dragon balls to defuse, like me and Kibito!" Would've been a far better solution to the arc.
@@kendukin9725 Like the fact we could've had a mini-arc starring Vegeth and the goodies, in which they search a db set to defuse the former, and it could be a wacky adventure for wathever reason....
It wasn't retconned though. It was never explained as to why Vegito separated inside of buu. And this excuse fit. Only Kias can use the potaras permanently.
With the freeza arc, I think a good way to fix the power scaling is to have freeze train for a longer period of time and allow goku and vegeta to do the same. It could lead the fight to having goku needing to go all the way to super saiyen 3 just to gain an upper hand and still have the situation where goku gets shot, but this time leave vegetas win intact. That could be used as a lead into goku attempting to up his awareness during fighting, seeing as he could have died from that shot. That allows a good set up for the training for UI
That frieza Arc ,... I would have preferred Goku dying along with earth . And then Vegeta killing Frieza using whis's time reversal thing . For fuck sake , He needed to avenge for what Frieza did to his race , family and planet . I mean he is the ULTIMATE SAIYAN PRINCE . Not an wildman earthling who later realises he is a saiyan .
Thought the same thing. Maybe Trunks was tired of always loosing to Black, started watching Naruto when recovering and thought it will solve the problem. But he doesn't understand how to perform it well so even guy that became genocidal fucktard after watching some caveman MMA for 5 seconds won't change his ways.
There is no logical explanation in the story as of why he does that. The only reason is because the writers couldn't come up with a way to communicate Trunks' sufferings and how mortals aren't just weak to the audience, other than making him scream it all the time.
You missed one very important point...How the hell did Vegeta not know that Goku had trained to get kaioken blue when he literally spent 3 years straight with him in the time chamber?!!! That was just prior to them going to the tournament too!
I guess that since it had 1/10 of chance to even survive turning it on, he didn't literally train Kaioken. He probably just was doing normal training and hoped that his body is strong enough.
DieGorn1000 How would he know that it was a 1/10 chance to survive if he never used it? If he never used it how would he know he could even do it in the first place? If he did use it and stopped it still doesn’t explain how the hell he found out it was 1/10. If he would have just said it just puts a lot of strain on my body I would be cool, but he doesn’t. I haven’t watched super fully so if this was explained my bad.
@@dylanparrott8164 this isnt explained in super its explained in z when goku fights pikkon he uses super kaioken which he said almost killed him and if he tried it with a stronger transformation he would die
@@dylanparrott8164 I mean, I guess that's how training any kamikadze technique works. Look at 8 gates from Naruto. How do they know they can perform it if they can do it once per life and die? Although I have no idea how would he calculate 1/10. Notice that few episodes earlier we've seen how Goku sucks at math soooo... yeah xD It's nothing but fake tension, something what DBS throws all over the place.
Man this is the best break down by far. Your extensive knowledge of DB and your logic is on point. You clarified a lot of things for me. And I agree wholeheartedly with your take. Thank you sir 🙌🏾🙏🏾
@chriscoefield9331 I know I'm late to this (6 months late) but didn't he say that the pilaf gang used the dragon balls to become kids in the present? Which they did didn't they?
@@3rday600 difference is DBS characters talk about useless stuff like "oh he is fast he has surpassed his limit". in naruto they might talk a lot but they mostly talk about interesting things like explaining how a jutsu works or revealing new information like in the sasuke vs itachi fight when they were talking about madara.
Welll having a bad guy on your team in general makes his value in most stories lower. Once they’ve done that it’s hard to keep him seriously unless he has something up his sleeve.
@@spreadwuvokay Gohan can't handle him, and 17 can't handle him in the manga. in the manga, andriod 17 is only SSJ3 level which makes a lot more sense than him being SSB level.
@@jantheking7028 I don't like Gohan's power scaling but he was swapping hands with Dyspo who Frieza was having trouble with, and Gohan claimed he'd take Frieza out himself. It's very debatable is what I'm saying. In the anime 17 is just as debatable. When I said pretty easily I meant Goku and Vegeta, I should have established that better. I don't know enough about the manga to make a case though so I'll take your word for it. Point is it's a bit hard to be afraid of Frieza. Especially now that mui and fusion is a thing.
yeah but the thing is frieza is slippery and can backstab the heroes at any given moment, especially how he nearly did it almost four times in the TOP he also caused DBS broly to happen
the fights are good cause of nostalgia and all but ya the writting's pretty terrible. the last 2 bosses zamasu and jiren were beaten by plot devices, a button to summon the omni-king and some op powerup that goku magically happened to get right before he would've otherwise died. most of the stuff in dragonball z at least had some buildup to it, Vegeta ranting about the legendary super saiyan, Gohan's potential both of those weren't suddenly shoved into the moment with the freeza/cell fights. Most of the stuff in super's just plot device invented within the same episode.
Shounen 101 to be honest, in my opinion Fate is one of the only shounen where this doesn't get out of hand. It's either having characters explain the most obvious shit, going 'this isn't even my full power, watch THIS!' or 'Oh you blocked my *whatever I just did*, in this case I'm gonna counter with THIS!'. ALWAYS in almost EVERY shounen type anime...
The problem of adapting a manga where that is sometimes necessary, to an anime where you can see it happening so description isn't needed as much. (Even though Super's anime and manga go at completely different paces?)
@@sikisikiamimis just like stating your opinion because you don't like their opinion and then insulting them on what they liked just like a scatter brain.
Piccolo was done so dirty in Super. That scene where he was about to show Goku the evil containment technique but Goku dismissed him and then Bulma said ‘you can still show us’ was one of the most funniest scenes🤣🤣 but I felt so bad for him 😭😭.
Piccolo? Hb Gohan? The guy was stronger than an ssj3 at the end of dbz, then when the whole Freiza thing happened, he turned out to be weaker than his 6-year-old self on Namek.
That was definitely a so sad it’s funny moment. I swear you can see his ears droop like a sad puppy. Kind of sums up his writting in Super; building up to meaningful contributing, then completely shafted for another character. Nice to see Bulma cares.
@@mr.person1219 gohan was not ruined in super. He always wanted to be a family man and a scholar and never wanted to fight unless he had to. That was always his character and if you never knew that then you were never really a gohan fan.
@@tylee2358 ye but it would make sense for him to train so he can protect that family and he definetly doesnt need to put too much time into it. since he knows that if goku and vegeta arent around stuff can get really bad
@@tylee2358 You're just being a fuckin' gatekeeper. Just because that's HIS CHARACTER doesn't mean situations won't arise that demand he get involved. That's the hallmark of a true reluctant hero. And it's something Toriyama _should_ have done since it seems he was so desperate to retire Goku at the end of the Buu Saga. He's the writer, he invents these situations. He has the authority to do that, and he chose not to. And as fans, the creator should not be above criticism as he presides over making this thing we love. You need criticism as quality control or else you have an echo chamber, as we see in some parts of Hollywood now.
Am I the only one who noticed him say fiancé not girlfriend? Well anyway!! Congratulations swagkage!!! EDIT: didn’t expect to get this many likes!! Once again congrats swagkage!
@@tensho7336 its geting better more consistent and deep if you want to know more go check out anime balls deep chanelle but the newist ep was pretty bad he nameds his new vid i might quit boruto but i think you should give it a try
Dragonball Super lacks one major thing that Dragonball, Dragonball Z, and Dragonball GT had. Tension. There is no reason to be concerned for any of these characters in Super. Whis has the temporal do-over thing so when Goku and Vegeta make a mistake he just reverses said mistake, Zeno is on speed dial so even if the heroes lose Goku can just call on Zeno and have him delete the enemy, and the final antagonist of the show is nothing more than a walking power level and not actually evil. We had villains like Mercenary Tao, King Piccolo and his son (who eventually turned good), Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Zarbon, The Ginyu Force, Frieza, The Androids (Including Cell), Majin Buu, and yes even the Shadow Dragons with their leader Omega Shenron that gave us some sort of tension. You don't feel any worry in Super, and if there is some worry it's just completely manufactured. Like with the Universal Survival Arc, it was made completely useless when 17 wished back every single universe that Zeno destroyed....so what was the fucking point of the tournament anyway? To have two little fucking psychopathic god kids just erase universes for fun? I also completely disagree with you when it comes to Jiren. You compared him to a brick wall, and that's the problem. He's merely an object that's powerful. His backstory is awful and we have had characters who were incredibly strong but were also fleshed out. People shit on Syn/Omega Shenron for being a terrible character, but at least even with the bad writing of GT Omega Shenron still had a reason for "being". Jiren really doesn't in the grand scheme. He has no character to him.
Dragon ball/Z/GT was a aimed at teens/adults Super is aimed at kids with a hint of nostalgia for OG viewers who don't care enough to see this shit show as it is.
In the begging I thought the grand priest would end up being an enemy and that would have been cool but I guess not dbz isnt for story tho its the same thing as watching one piece at this point
Because they got stronger, like it was scary knowing if universe 7 would win because they made jiren so op seeing goku use his blue form with koyoken x20 wasn't good enough had me worried
Jay 7 he don’t be mean to not FBI. Just because your anonymous doesn’t mean that you have to act like your word is the gospel everyone agrees with you and if they don’t everyone thinks there dumb. Forgive English
35:10 Screw "How did Trunks learn the Spirit Bomb?" MY question is: How did Trunks perform the Spirit Bomb WHILE IN SUPER SAIYAN?! It's been outright stated in the canon that one just... Can't do that.
Maciej Rolbiecki imagine DEFENDING TRUNKS PERFORMING THE SPIRIT BOMB IN SUPER SAIYAN AND ABSORBING IT INTO HIS SWORD AND THEM ONE SHOTTING FUSED ZAMASU WITH THE SWORD. IMAGINE
So. Frieza became stronger than Teen Gohan, Majin Vegeta, Dabura, Supreme Kai, Majin Buu, Evil Buu, Super Buu, Mystic Gohan, Super Saiyan 3 Goku, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, and somehow closed the almost 1,000 times Gap between Super Saiyan 3 and God, and the exponential increase from the training with Whis all in 4 months?
@@TheGamersState Even worse, they made 17 a key player. 17? How can taking care of animals and training in the wild compared to training with Whis? If that's the case, then Piccolo should be a god! We know he trains everyday. And the humans? Should be way stronger It's almost as if Super Saiyan God it's just a bump up from Super Saiyan 3. From what we know about Super Saiyans is that 99% of the universe can't even stand up to Super Saiyan 1, let alone two + 3. Just how are people reaching god tier so easily?
Nothing wrong with the 4 month thing Frieza beside Buu and the other like Bee was one of the strongest fighter ever without training that would mean he was already truly gifted and if you ask me any training he would do should raise his power level off the chart if he take it really serious and he really wanted that revenge more than anything I say it possible for Frieza to be able to pass Goku and Vegeta in power since he was already stronger than them to begin with but also everyone stats grow differently even more when they are a different race but I believe Frieza was one of the more gifted fighter in his whole race so I would never count Frieza out but would be cool if they allowed Frieza to reach his maximum potential no playing around real serious training for years truly know himself his limit not getting tired right away and so on would be a sweet battle vs Goku UI 🤔
With the Freeza power boost, I was so sure that in the TV adaptation Champa would show up and train Freeza and that's how he'd catch up. Anything would've made more sense than what we got.
@@you_tube6733 kale herself was annoying, but that has nothing to do with the fact that she's a female broly. After all, caulifla is basically a more arrogant and egotistical female goku but I never hear anyone actually complain about that
+Salt: they were talking abt Shisami in the Res F movie and Tagoma in the anime. In both versions, Sorbet says they are as strong as Dodoria and Zarbon were and in both versions Piccolo gets owned by them. Tagoma makes SLIGHTLY more sense bc he trained with Frieza but even then SSJ Gohan was able to defeat him easily sooo
Honestly dude, you did a good job with this video, I love super to death but i was still able to agree with most of the points presented in the video, great job my dude!!
@@ongfrfr249 I don't think super is even close to being better than z. Most of my reasons relate to swag's because of the fact that super is just inconsistent. One he didn't mention example is how the hakai got retcon into being just an exclusive ki blast for g.o.ds, You just have to be strong enough to resist it now. the show is more comedic or just kid friendly. Plus you know Z just might be better when super has to try and actually reuse the same scenes from Z, examples being: father-son ki wave, vegeta's final flash scene, and vegeta's explosion (sacarfice in Z) scene. Now I don't know about you, but every one of those scenes were done much better in Z. Also you don't have to like power scaling to find frieza's training stupid. Also again, two beings that are definitely weaker than buu saga goku and vegeta, potara fused, should not be pressing ssjb goku.
If i was a writter of DB Super, i would appeal to The fact that what Zamasu wanted it was a Saiyan body. Goku's body That having Jiren's body wouldnt be a bigass boost for Zamasu cuz Jiren's Ki, is what makes Jiren stronger... Not his body Alone... And Ki is somehow ur soul blablabla. That The boost in power by having Jiren's Body would not be so different than Goku's... but by having a Saiyan body , Zamasu can evolve in strenght much faster. That what Zamasu wanted its a Saiyan body due to his biology
Gustavo Meneses Herrera well since the super dragon balls could literally grant any wish possible, zamazu could of just wished for jirens ki or some shit
@@jeremiahmoss7500 good point No matter how u look at it, that was a ridiculous scene Zamasu could literally wish being stronger than anyone in the multiverse.... End of story, end of DB Super.
Mmm... I actually thought Zamasu and Goku Black were the best bad guys in Super. They had a good plan, played their cards well, and they were actually pretty unique.
I feel like everyone forgets that the Android/Cell Saga had the subplot of the "race to Super Saiyan 2," where we already saw the pain of Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks as they turned Super Saiyan, and each try their own way to evolve the form (Super Saiyan Full Power, Ascended Super Saiyan, Ultra Super Saiyan). Then, during all this, we see Gohan have his own dramatic Super Saiyan transformation. And, through all the setup in the Saiyan and Namek arcs, he is the one to win the race. Comparing that level of brilliant writing with DBS is just stupid. On that note, Goku went Super Saiyan when he thought he finally did the impossible, yet Frieza is revealed to have survived the Spirit Bomb and kills Krillin brutally. Future Trunks went Super Saiyan when he hated himself for not being strong enough after witnessing the death of his best friend Gohan, lifeless in the rain. Vegeta went Super Saiyan when his pride as the Prince of all Saiyans was causing himself to collapse, witnessing Goku and Trunks seemingly steal what he believed was his destiny. Gohan went Super Saiyan when he was breaking down in fear, realizing that if he is too weak, then he can't save anyone and everyone will die. Goten and Trunks went Super Saiyan purely as a joke, so I can excuse that, but Cabba had one of the dumbest transformations ever. And don't get me started on Kale and Caulifla.
Kale caulifla when through 2 ss transformations in like 2 episodes whereas gohan, goku, and vegeta has to actually work to get there it’s just lazy writing
I really love the Cell Saga. I think Frieza saga is more cohesive and tighter written but I love the general feeling of this saga. Goku acts like a wise, seasoned master, Gohan being Goku's successor, the moral questions of killing innocent lives and I like that Piccolo is still relevant at this point :D
Goten and Trunks were able to easily achieve SSJ because their fathers HAD ALREADY achieved SSJ, not because of some tingling in their back and S-cells.
Rosho never stopped his training, why would he have below 200 (which isn't even near the canonical power level he had the last saga where power units were used, saiyan saga) These nostalfanZ really inventing fake "facts" to try making a point, that's how desperate they are lmao
Naruto would at least have a strategy when using clones. Picillo just moved around while powering up his MOST LETHAL move in a tournament where killing is against the rules.
Yeah I was thinking that too when he complained no one advised Frieza to train before running to fight Goku. I imagine the underlings knew by that point you don't give advice unless your asked, and it better be what he wants to hear. Still makes Freiza an idiot though.
You know what? This might be exactly what Frieza needs to make him interesting: a partner. Someone that can sit by his right hand side, say whatever he wants, and be strong enough to not have to worry about being killed. A relationship kind of like Goku and Vegeta's. In time, Frieza might even come to respect this partner. In the meantime, their relationship might even be humorous. Like, Frieza gets pissed at the guy and runs around threatening him for a while, but we know nothing's going to amount to it because they're too equally matched, and Frieza doesn't genuinely hate the guy.
With Trunks' spirit bomb, all it would've taken was one line of Goku saying "Everyone give me your energy so I can send it to Trunks!". That would've been enough! Or even better have someone from the main timeline somehow communicate (establish a way to do it first, like a time tunnel or something) and send energy from loads of universes for the attack.
Trunks suddenly becoming strong enough to take out Fused Zamasu even though Vegito Blue couldn't do it? That's an Akira Toriyama hand job. With the amount of bs power ups that happened in Super I'm surprised Akira Toriyama isn't suffering from chronic arthritis in his wrists.
Why can't people understand that Akira Toriyama had little and I mean very little involvement in Super. It was literally just a cash-cow by Toei milking everyone's nostalgia.
Toei have no real interest in what Bandai sell for their games though, other than the royalties from using their IP. I do agree that it was definitely to sell merch and toys, though.
Especially ToP. I hated that they had that trash desktop background for the entire tournament of energy blasts blowing up. But some of it was good as well.
@@LetsDiscussFR Exactly. The setting of ToP didn't leave anything to imagination. It was just a matter of guessing who did the writers dedicate the episode to pit X against Y character or giving/revealing transformations for even the fodder units that I really don't care about . It lacked the adventure aspect of the series for me because the whole arc was pretty much stuck in this ring . Not a lot they could do with it . I loved only a a couple scenes like Roshi's etc . Rest of it was forgettable .
Frieza never training until Resurection 'F' I think can be pretty well explained with how he really didn't want to risk being sent to Hell again. Also his power boost after a short time isn't just that he's a prodigy, it's that he is a very mutated member of his race. And Roshi being on the team isn't so crazy if we consider he must've restarted his own training at some point so he could help his students instead of just staying in the background. This training would probably have had to have started around the Saiyan Saga, and by the time of Frieza's resurrection he had surpassed Yamcha and Chiaotzu.
Can you a do a “how to fix dragon ball super video” like the “How to fix narutos war arc” vid EDIT: maybe swag could do a video for each arc seeing as though the whole show is very long and for tournament of power he could probably do a two parter since it’s very long
All they need to do is fix the characters. Stop making them scared of bullets. Make goku smart again, make vegata bad ass and picolo since he's a babysitter now. Then the show should be good
It's actually good. Inconsistent yes but IT'S MORE DRAGON BALL and the hero's we love. I even like blue... although god when battle of godz was announced. omg that was amazing. little Kid Goku is now a GOD
One i mean i don’t know much about it firsthand but from watching this video, as well as many others, i kind of gathered that it isn’t worth watching. Thx for the heads up
Me too. Its just too depresing for me to watch an epic anime i grew up with being destroyed like this with all these stupid transformations and arcs......
Goku and Vegeta had 7 years of training yet 24 hours was enough to get EASILY surpassed by Mystic Gohan, and to this day nostalfanZ cal, it "peak Gohan's character" lmao
@@ethanwatson6131 the worst version of Vegeta ever. Bet you are one of those who is going to say "this is a new time for a new standarts, let's get rid of the old boring one dimensional stupid series' for the sake of "Good" "Developed" "Goodwritten" series".
The math in that saga is retarded regardless Goku shows up and was supposed to be so much stronger than everyone there and the only one who stands a chance against Frieza. Frieza boasts that he was only using 1% of his full power against Goku initially. His full power is 120 Million What's 1% of that? 1.2 Million So you mean to tell me he made all these forms because he couldn't control his final form. Only to use barely more power than he had in his second form against Goku. When you put it that way it makes Vegeta look like a fucking idiot (more so) and scales Goku around Piccolo level. If he showed up to face Xenomorph Frieza he would have gotten shot to hell just as fast as Piccolo did. Absolutely absurd.
@@nullandvoid7524 I think it was like this. 1st for Frieza. 530 thousand. 2nd form 1 mill 3rd form 2 mill Final form 120 mill. Vegeta was probably 2 mill and Goku was 3 mill. I think the using one percent part was a translation error because in the manga it said that Vegeta was getting creamed by 2% Final form Frieza... Which is stronger than his 3rd form by a bit. He was definitely using a bit more power against Goku, plus Goku has Kaioken. My theory is that if Frieza used less power than what his max power was in his 3rd form while in his final form... He would've reverted.
You also forgot how unfair the writers really are against the non-main characters in the TOP. They're all getting weaker by the minute while Goku, especially Goku, just gets stronger by the power of friendship.
Yeah thats also a reason why this show felt lame compared to dbz they basically went standard lame shounen type of anime it reminds me alot of fairy tail
T.o.P. has literally been the peak of non-main characters. If you want to talk about writers being unfair with Z warriors you have the wprst saga ever produced in DB, the saiyan saga, where we are just supposed to watch our 5 secondary characthers that we saw training and improving for years through DB (which adds up to more than 100 episodes) just so they fucking die in the most pathetics of ways (Yamcha became a meme of how pathetic someone can be, even used to describe lame idiots outside DB. Chaoz had the most souless and forgetable of sacrifices in the franchise), and this mfs couldn't even get Nappa tired Really? 5 minor characters that Toriyama took an entire series to build and they can't even take on a minor villain? Christ
XpertGamer 90 we’re talking about his potential and his speed to gain a massive power boost. DBS gohan can not stand up to the beast that was Z gohan, he was the first saiyan to go ss2
@@ongfrfr249 bruh nobody cares except ppl with 0 brain cells from power ups that make no sense at all krillin got stronger for no reason i dont get it why cant they make them train Krillin came to master roshi's island to become a great martial artist he should had been more motivated to train rather than slacking off same with tien and yamcha plus gohan in bog had ultimate a few months later he lost it DBS is shit Plus Android 17 got stronger from doing no training he just scared away poachers Plus since he is human he should technically become weaker not become a billion times stronger and when i say that I mean litterly android 17 was in the billions and pretty sure ssb goku is after quadrillions whatever comes after that
I always felt that blue should have been save for the U6 tournament and standard SSJ God should have been the only transformation in the Ressurection F arc. It would have given an underutilized form more time to shine as well as a really cool twist when Vegeta pulls it out, similar to what we saw in the Broly movie.
Or either make a whole new concept of SSJ God entirely as well as Blue or not make SSJ Blue at all. I have this good idea of how the God Forms should be more unique to the Saiyans instead of them having the same Forms.
Yeah, they’ve been shitting out transformations left, right and center in DBS. With absolutely zero build up and tension- save for ultra instinct. SSJ Blue should’ve had an insanely epic debut, especially considering the bar set by the SSJ 3 introduction in Z. Instead we got some rocks flying around, and that was that, compared to the entire earth shaking for SSJ 3. For divine transformations such as SSG and SSB, you’d expect them to have much higher status and build up.. to really take them serious.
Vegito brings this up and then zamasu says some shit about how he always planned that and vegito sighs and is like "well you have an answer for everything dont you..."
@@MindAndMythI mean if you want to answer with the I don’t know how to read what is actually canonical. Both of you are stupid. Op for not realizing that he teamed up with a mortal. Second dude for not actually know what happened between gomasu and vegito
10? When I counted it was only 3, I can say the same for ssj2 spiker blond hair, lighting, ssj3 longer blond hair no eyebrows, ssj,ssjg,ssj4 were the most original forms rest aren't
@@kaichen3830 actually, I think all the ssj forms are original, ssj2 might be debatable for some chars but it's unique I guess. I also think ssj god red was a good transformation. So yeah I was kinda wrong on that one.
Another thing with the TOP Goku got like 15 second winds He constantly went "I'm out of energy " or" oh I can't move anymore" but was back to fighting strength next episode, if not immediately Remember in the Saiyan Saga if he said something like that, he actually meant it?
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As a reminder, Piccolo lost the Tournament of Power because he didn’t hear his opponent. I repeat, Piccolo lost because he didn’t HEAR his opponent. PICCOLO lost because he didn’t HEAR his opponent. PICCOLO, the Namekian, the guy that can literally hear a conversation from ACROSS the EARTH lost because he didn’t HEAR his opponent.
Super Saiyan Legend I find the way he lost ANNOYING AS FUCK, because he literally heard a CLEAR conversation from trunks and goku way fucking far away that the other z fighters can’t hear, yet he can’t hear a little ass bug close to him smhhhhh
It's fucking stupid indeed. What's more triggering is how always Piccolo was depicted as that wise tactician and he didn't even try to use any ki attacks. He could just pummel the ground or do that omnidirectional explosion or anything... Super hasn; done dirty anyone as much as Piccolo
Maybe piccolo didn't clean his ears that day? :3
@@Reality-Distortion Tien gets done worse bro
@@wherearemypowers I'm not sure about that. Humans were fodder since the beggining of Z pretty much. Piccolo in middle of Cell saga was top tier and in Super he trained Gohan in preparations for ToP. So people expect way more from him.
Also the way Piccolo lost wasn't JUST dirty, it didn't make any sense.
Swag I wanna say congrats because in your “I do not like dragon ball super” video you said girlfriend and in this one you said fiancé so good for you man
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Narita Lo yesssss!
nice catch haha
Wait, he was taking about the same person?
@ALPHA whoaaa dude. Too far.
There's only one good thing I can point out about the Future Trunks arc & it came from the dub.
"Hold your fire. This man isn't black!"
omg lmao
Goku Black and Zamasu was cool...but Trunks voice actor sucked that arc
Omg this might be the funniest line in all of dragon ball history😂😂😂
wow i didn't notice LMAO
Goku also says "make me black" when describing Zamasu's plan
Imagine if the og goku freeza fight was constantly interrupted by piccolo and krillin describing what's happening to us smh
Facts
Whoa, great point.
I would've stopped watching right there
'Omg piccolo can you believe it?!?! Frieza is strong but Goku is becoming stronger'
And when they did explain something it felt natural. Like when Goku was underwater and used his time to figure out how to catch Freiza off guard.
*_dont let this distract you from the fact that Broly got the biggest Zenkai boost in the whole franchise_*
Cell: *Crying in a corner*
jesus fuck ur right
Him going from pre Super Saiyan power, to matching a Fused, Super Saiyan Blue Warrior with now decades of experience and absurd level of power, was fucking absurd.
R B he did NOT match Gogeta lmao
R B Goku and Vegeta? yes
When they didn’t allow Vegeta to just kill Frieza...
The most disrespectful moment to Vegeta’s character.
Seriously Goku flying in like a party member in an RPG that jumps in and steals your kill and exp last second was insulting
DBLoCK_ThE_KeyBlade Master Frickin’ exactly!
Seriously vegeta should have killed frieza.
I know right literally can you imagine if you have to work with your murderer? to know this guy not only killed your father but your entire race of people and left you with a dumbass that doesn't even see how dangerous that is letting them on the team this is the same guy that aimed a kill beam at his wife. but Goku is like "Nah it's okay I'll keep an eye on him!" like a f****** retard that he is.
Honestly they just spoiling Goku like a Gary Sue in fanfic.
It really showed Tori's disposition toward Vegeta, and that he intends for Goku to always be the warrior dangling over him. Sad.
Goku: I've trained my whole life and now I have god Ki.
Frieza: give me four months.
Goku: I've now achieved ultra instinct.
Frieza: give me another four more months.
Goku: I've now achieved power higher than anyone in the multiverse, and I've trained so that even Zeno can't erase me.
Frieza: give me another four months
@@patrickho6540 broly but stronger
Frieza was born as strong as super saiyan goku, and he never trained in his life. Frieza has broly lvl potential, imagine if he trained seriously
@@RobT302 almost as strong as a ss1 because frieza was defeated by a ss1,frieza trained four months and now he's as strong as ssb goku? It's bs, dragonball super it's stupid.
@@RobT302 broly is a legendary ss atleast i can accept his ridiculous power level.
Does anyone remember when Frieza said 'how dare you make me put effort into a fight' to broly
Yes, and it was very cathartic to know he still got the crap beaten out of him for over sn hour while Goku and Vegeta were perfecting the fusion dance.
@@brookerickettson4950 to be fair he lasted longer against broly than goku and vegeta did together tho lol.
And at the end he was like completely fine just really fucking annoyed.
@@MindAndMyth he put almost all his stats in durability
"He sees one rock man hit another rock man and he decides this is it." 😂😂
THAT'S IT! NO MORE MORTALS!!
Zamasu - sees rock man hit another rock man.
Zamasu - "Cowabunga it is"
On gawd 😂😂😂😂
For a minute I thought it was a megaman reference
That was literally the funniest way he couldve put it
Cavemen: *hit each other"
Zamasu: ok let's wipe out humanity
lol
Kyle Lottering or he could have just wished for all mortals to disappear I mean he had two chances to use the super dragon balls
If he attacked irl we would be so fucked still
caveman: confused unga bunga
Kyle Of The Weirdo Corps Yup, can’t argue with that unfortunately. DBS sole existence is to expand DLC for xenoverse 2
You can't really compare Frieza to his brother. He's just... Cooler
Daniel Dizon shut your mouth
Dbs frieza*
corny
Cooler than freezer?
@@oler777 he must be ice cold.
"This arc would have benefited significantly had resurrection F not happened" Thank god for the manga am I right?
@Mufasa Escanor Go away you uncultured fuck
@@ghettokage6104 most of the anime is better then the manga lol Roshi fights jiren and doesn’t get ripped to shreds instantly
@@ZodiacBandit manga>anime, idgaf what you say lollll
@@ghettokage6104 how can’t be the artwork cuz its all cramped in tiny boxes can’t be fights cuz its no moving images can’t be the writing cuz that sucks in the manga god not selling me here boi
@@ZodiacBandit MIGGA, MIGGA WHAT
Remember when piccolo had more attacks than the special beam cannon? Man, those were some good times...
I still love the Hellzone Grenade.
Francesco Lombardi hopefully they’ll start up the super anime again and we’ll get to see piccolo actually do something besides charging the special bean cannon.
@@chrisburns9898 or shielding Gohan
Turning into a Giant
Eye beams
Mouth beams
Telepathy
Regeneration
Stretchy arms
Along with anything else
And he only used the fucking Light Grenade ONCE.
In Dragonball/Z characters would bleed when wounded.
In Dragonball Super when character becomes wounded he becomes dirty and topless. Any thoughts?
wink wink
Justinas Gabulas
Ya gotta think about the chirren. Save the CHIRREN
DB SuperShit....
@@anonymousperson1706 but we seen the blood in dbz when we where chirren
@@GodSpeedCrow yeah but parent of today...
Jiren isn't flying he's sitting on the invisible dude
😂
Oh you really made me think about that *guy*
You mean the small bug guy?
Meleoron type beat
real dragonball fans hate dragonball super.
All followers (Fake fans) who didn't watch Dragonball in their childhood, they like Dragonball Super.
(Sry my english isnt flawless, im from germany)
I love how he just skipped over the Vegeta copy arc 😂😂😂😂
...
Well it was filler
@@chaseg4098 i am sueing you for that C profile picture
Because they turned Vegeta into frickin' Koenma.
It was filler. Not an arc
I was just on a swagkage marathon then swag drops a 40min video. Let’s go!!
Edit: Also swag, perhaps I’m late to the party, but I noticed you referred to your SO as fiancée and not girlfriend like in your past videos. Congrats my guy!
A Swagathon
glad im not the only one that noticed that he said "fiance" and not "girlfriend", congrats bruh
He said it in video debunking screenrant's list about 20 characters who can beat Sasuke. It was said when he was reading Sakura's section (nr 4).
Congratulations swag
karatevaldi swagthon sounds better to me
Dragon ball: Toriyama’s homage to old martial arts movies.
Dragon ball z: a homage to science fiction Toriyama was inspired by.
Dragon ball GT: a homage to Toriyama’s work.
Dragon ball super: Toriyama cashing in
Toriyama gotta pay those bills somehow 😂
He don't need money he was millionare before he even made Dragonball
@@dabidflores7505 yeah you're right, also toriyama made the BOG movie just to respark the dbz community again but after that toei pressured him into making a new series to make more money, hence the fuck up that is dbs.
@Cegesh yes they're both bad bro but GT was more dragon ball than dbs. I still like both series regardless
Heroes: SELL TOYS
You know Goku black arc is shit when xenoverse 2 developers changed the ending so Trunks would get the power from all timelines so it would make atleast a little sense. Actually that is my favourite thing
Only problem is how does he know the Spirit Bomb? In fact they have ripoff/copy and paste/more pointless fanservice from the Saiyan Arc with Goku making the Spirit Bomb.
@@OneYuDBZSlayers Thats not the only problem, thats like the least problem what happened there lol
@@InsaniaTHEGREATONE no equal
Lmfao
Insania the arc itself was kinda good and entertaining but the ending was the dumbest thing ever and that kinda ruined it but I think that would have been better too lmao
21:02 As for the fanfiction part, its actually very easy to tell who's idea this was, it was Toyotaro. You see, back in the late 2000s around the pre-BoG days, Toyotaro was writing his own DBZ spinoff manga called DBAF featuring super saiyan 5, I'm sure even new DB fans remember it, and on a side note its actually a really amazing fan manga contrary to the crap Toyotaro now produces in Super, but aside from that, in the DBAF mangas there's an evil Goku arc, a Goku from some alternate dimension or universe where he's evil, he has his own evil super saiyan forms and everything, and even wears the same dark clothing as Goku Black, along with a signature move called the Dark Kamehameha, if this all sounds familiar then it should because Toyotaro literally just put all of this in DBS, except in a far worse way than those fan mangas. Also that whole Supreme Kai going rogue schtick, that's also from DBAF, its literally from the first Xicor arc where Goku's DNA is stolen by the West Supreme Kai and she uses it to create her and Goku's child Xicor and decides to commit mass genocide. Point is, these concepts are really amazing and were executed very well in fan mangas but, as always, when DBS tried it, it came as the worst possible iteration of it. Having read the DBAF mangas I was so excited to see an official evil Goku/Supreme Kai are but I was majorly disappointed.
Face palm. Lmfao. Db af was a fan made pic. None of this is true. There is no af. Its fm, fan made.
Also the idea of switching forms even when it makes no narrative sense to is also something he did. He tried to make it seem like ssj3, trunks bulky grade 3, and ssj4 were all better at something even though it makes no sense and Vegeta could switch between them at will.
@@you_tube6733 are you stupid, can't read, brain dead, or all of that?
After seeing some of the art of dbaf I just want to know who let bro into the kitchen to cook this atrocity💀💀
Anyone remember when super saiyan was special?
YES. This is one of the reasons why the Android Arc was my favorite of the series. Super Saiyan was limited at that time to 3 or 4 people only (if you count Gohan later), and it was a feat that only could be achieved through incredible pain. As Vegeta said later, it's become a Super Saiyan bargain sale, lol. I truly wish SSjin 3 and beyond were never invented and that the series focused more on plot and techniques than tourneys and raw power displays. It would've been better for it.
Seth Rios really?? Sjj 3?? Bro that’s gotta be one of the coolest forms in dbz
@@sjj3lemon267 I guess it's a matter of opinion, but... yeah it's kinda cool. It was never very practical though.
@@SpectreStatus well to be fair, the form was the reason Goku could keep up with Fat Buu and ONE OF the reasons why anyone even survived the Buu arc. But yeah, as a form alone, it's not that great in practicality unless mastered. Still cool though.
It wasn't that long.
Two dudes fight in a cave
Zamasu:-this world shall know pain
Please don't even compare that soyboy to Pain. I get what you're saying though.
Facts
@@naamari why ?
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 I thought my response said it. Because Pain was actually an interesting and kinda relatable villain, whereas Zamasu is not.
@@naamari no zamasu had more of a human mindset despite being a god. That's basically what his character is all about.
Freezer: Trains one day
goku super saiyan: loses
Imagine if frieza trained 15 seconds before fighting SSJ goku... Steamroll in Super's logic.
The Quattro one push-up and gokus toast.
@Frederick Bo Weesgaard Jønsson 8B Tårs undervisningssted no he's saying if during the namek saga,if frieza train just for ONE DAY,he can probably beat ssj goku
@Frederick Bo Weesgaard Jønsson 8B Tårs undervisningssted nevermind wrong comment lmao sorry
@@carlosyeet29 I mean honestly if freeza trained for like 7 minutes before fighting goku he would probably steamroll ssj Goku if we use super's logic.
On another note, congrats to Taidomodachi on making Zamasu a sympathetic antagonist in his series, and that's ACTUAL fanfiction.
Bringing Frieza back - an enemy weaker than an unmastered regular Super Saiyan - as an enemy stronger than a Super Saiyan God with the excuse that he was a lazy bastard who never trained was lame and set the whole tone of the series for me.
clearspira *gohan has entered the lobby*
Hi all my powers where handed to me on silver platter
Bruh I thought I was the only one thinking this. To add to it, where is the justice?? Frieza oppresses then kills all the Saiyans, except a few, and gets to come back as the main character?
& serves as fodder for Goku. Again. Even though Goku got taken out already. By a FUCKING Ray Gun. Like gotdam, can Vegeta beat SOMEBODY???
YogiYetiz_ Simple Is Vegeta or Buu any better? Coz they both kill alot of people and currently ARE one of the main characters
@@XtevenGan No, don't try that. Vegeta and Buu have both had their redemption moments where they eventually fought for something other than theirself. Frieza is still very much evil.
"So I guess he's a SUPER DUPER PRODIGY"
I swear you always make me laugh!
He is a BIT wrong about freeza tho, or at least it seems like he is. He seems to believe that mecha freeza is on the same level as namek freeza, which is not true, mecha freeza is stronger, which is why freeza thought it was ok not to train to fight goku, he'd already gotten stronger just through mechanical enhancement, so I'll give freeza a bit of leeway here as swag makes it sound like freeza is just retardedly going back in at the same power level thinking that would be ok, other than that I really didn't have any problems with the vid and this was just a small nitpick
It's almost a super prodigy 2 eh? :^)
Kenan Ford Still doesn't disregard that Frieza is the most ignorant character in DB (up until that point at least).
@@kenan-b Yea he got stronger though they didn't take their time remaking him while Dr Gero did with 18 and 17 they kinda rush him freeza and clearly didn't have the technology that Dr Gero had.
@@supaseru9736 The difference between Mecha Frieza and 17 and 18 is that the androids were made on a cellular level and have little mechanical enhancements. They are strong because they are no longer human. Dont need to eat, sleep and have unlimited energy. They also grow stronger faster also. (Look at 17)
you have to keep in mind that a few minutes before, a kamehameha from goku blue was able to damage zamasu at a cellular level and break his "immortality", yet a final kamehameha from vegitto blue couldnt even scratch zamasu...that makes vegittos return even more dissapointing
Yes that why manga is better because vegito was destroying zamasu and merged zamasu didn't even scarth vegito in manga
@Noah Dickerson super in a nutshell
@Noah Dickerson "goku was raging idiot meaning he was super strong" are you gonna tell me this isnt every fight in super?
@Noah Dickerson So because he was mad, hes stronger than vegito?
@@LetsDiscussFR by super's logic? Yes absolutely
The thing that always bothered me about the Goku Black arc is that they have time travel so they could stay in the normal timeline and train for years and just go back to exactly when Trunks left and be way more powerful
I think because black and zamasu have time rings it equals out and they are on parallel time somehow
Uh... A wizard did it?
They explained in the manga that the world that they want to save is still moving along. As in if a day has passed, they can't use the time machine to go to that timeline but one day earlier cause it won't be the same timeline
I liked 17 in Super, I really did. But dear god did they ass pull his power. He stops poachers for a few years and that just suddenly makes him as strong as SSJB and able to take down Jiren a few times.
That’s the power of being a park ranger
And people out there saying that base goku can destroy universes
@@gito7604 A17 was suspended for 30 days for violating toei Anti drug policy
@@treemane0 Anime wise yes because he absorbed ssjg but am not so sure about the manga
Darius in the manga Goku only took him on as a SSJ3
DBS lacks tension...
I mean, literally everything bad that is happening in DBS can be fixed by Whis and/or destroyed by Beerus so there's literally nothing to worry about :/
Edit: tournament of power is an exceptation
*Looks at Jiren and the ToP*
Beerus can’t beat that.
Aqua Pr The ToP had the most “predictable ending” of all time, BUT. It was extremely well executed given the circumstances, let’s give credit where credit is due- Frieza and Goku taking Jiren off and 17 being the winner literally wasn’t predicted by anyone on youtube, so that was neat.
Also, the Goku Black arc kinda had a way around the whole Beerus and Whis problem with that “gods aren’t allowed to time travel” or some shit
Grosspizzaontheground Okay? My point was that Beerus can’t defeat every enemy in DBS.
Not really, because Beerus and Whis are neutral, and will only help when something that threatens the universe happens. They can't just be called to fix every little problem.
The REAL reason why DBS lacks tension, is sheer bad writing... and power levels, though power levels as they are used today are a result of bad writing.
There's little reason to worry about anything when the characters can reach universal levels with no effort whatsoever, but their opponents are shown to be barely at buu level, and at times the writing is so predictable that you already know what's gonna happen anyways.
Not goku black lol
Swagkage: look at coolers final form its awesome its not just some gold spray paint
Dragon ball heroes: GOLDEN COOLERRRRRRRRR
Loool noooo
IKR!
real dragonball fans hate dragonball super.
All followers (Fake fans) who didn't watch Dragonball in their childhood, they like Dragonball Super.
(Sry my english isnt flawless, im from germany)
@@yugimuto4746 Did you ever watch the japanese version of Z? Funimation butchered it by turning it into a saturday morning cartoon show.
Yeah but heros has nothing to do with main story other then dragon ball,dragon ball z & dragon ball super & manga currently where super is continuing atm has anything to do with story & characters forms......heros is dope but its all show for fight scenes it's just follows the exnoverse game story has nothing to do with anything for story of dragon ball kinda like towa & mira created for games heros is just what dragon ball would be if they ran with the exnoverse game story & put it into the anime
I freaking love swagkage, The most insightful anime fan I've ever known
Video should be retitled to "why dragon ball super doesnt make any sense"
@GoDlyguy-dragonball its now ob cartoon network 😥😫
@@mapalochiwele1734 Wasn't the original DBZ on cartoon netweork too? Anyways, DBS is on Adult Swim, not Cartoon Network.
You guys remember when Hakai used to be really cool?
It was a technique that the Gods of Destruction can do in order to literally DESTROY their enemies! Or at least was, until they turned it into another bland energy attack.
god damn it toppo
@@StarDolph1n I think it was him along with one of the Universe 9 assassins who used some energy of their G.O.D. against True Golden Frieza that one time.
In fairness, that was still a cool scene with Freeza overpowering it
@@anactualfennecfox1 Yeah, it was badass. 👍
At least it has SOME visual distinction to it. Instead of blowing up the rocks in a massive dust explosion, they were disintegrated into purplish-pink dust. That's like, the bare minimum difference, but at least it's something?
I didn’t like how Super made Goku so more oblivious then Z.
Its called Flanderization man. Sadly, happens to lots of shows and media, not only anime.
TFS Goku really popular huh guy's
It didn't. you are used to the 90's funimation dub completely rewriting Goku's character
Lion of the Blue Vale that version is better in my opinion
Lion of the Blue Vale I've read the DB manga and he was much less retarded in it than in Super, by far
Frieza legit said in dbz "I haven't had to dust myself off like that since I was a child training with my father" So frieza did train
yet in super he magically forgets it exists
He never says he "trained" with his father. The manga has an extremely ambiguous dialogue with Freezer implying he has, somewhat, fougth his father (maybe not even a figth, maybe Cold just beat yhe shit out of him). Nothing about training AT. ALL.
Honestly it kinda was:
1.) never felt tension
2.) Goku became the clown vegeta always accused him of being
3.) Piccolo became a running Joke
4.) Gohans demeanor was one of a major “try-hard”. Would’ve been better if he was more returning for his love of fighting than a necessity
5.) No Faulconer music
6.) extreme power scaling
7.) SS3 becoming a more useless transformation than ever before
People like to call Buu Saga a shit show but it was at least a serious one
#5 is huge
Buu Saga was amazing.
Upnorth Society I liked it
Explain to me what is wrong with the power scaling. I’ll wait.
@@dillpickle7400 an example being how in the beginning of the series. It's said God ki trumps all other ki and 1 arc later frieza with no God ki comes in an whoops goku but this is brushed aside due to "training" and "potential" and in the u6 a base cabba without ssj or God ki has equal power to a vegeta who has god ki and trained with whis for nearly over a year.
There's more but that's just a few
swag: Gives valid critique with strong support and evidence of his claims
fans: I see what you doing... you hating
@ Yeah, I miss back when their lives actually mattered, and not everything led to a massive fight on a universal scale. Not even that, but I miss when Son Goku's *original friends* are just side characters to the kids now. It just makes me sad lol
Look man...I love me some dragonball but I will admit Super has many things that I don’t like.....like the U6 saiyans pulling transformations out of their asses...
You don't need to watch the show with an analytical* eye to see that they absolutely ruined everything about the show that made it enjoyable when you and I were children. Even if you don't care about power scaling, like Swagkage said all throughout the video, it's impossible to get invested into a story where the writers literally didn't care what they were putting out, and where they just made Goku go a different color every time there was any kind of adversity that they couldn't bullshit their way through
I see where you got that from
Well the vast majority of his critisms were the same or didn't make sense, that's why. All he mostly did was complain about powerscaling, pacing, misunderstand the show, or nitpick at small details. He could've made more valid criticisms if he talked about the poor animation, character representation, or other things, but he instead chose to focus on the small parts of the show that no one watches Dragon Ball for anyways. Like, I don't think anyone has expected Dragon Ball Powerscaling to make sense since the Cell Saga, yet he still spends a large amount of time talking about it as if he is making some mind blowing revelations. This doesn't feel like an objective review of Dragon Ball Super like he tried to make it seem in the beginning and from the title. It is just the same as his past videos, where he rants about things based on his misunderstanding of the show, and powerscaling. What I mean by this is that he downplays the cool or important moments of the arc, but magnifies the tinniest nitpicks. He should stick to making Naruto videos, because anytime he strives away from it his videos are just bad.
You forgot to mention that had the fusion not been retconned, that scene where Kibito and Shin defused by wishing for it a few episodes prior would've been excellent foreshadowing. They could've fused, beat Zamasu, then wondered "what now" and everyone's like "guess they'll have to get used to living together..." And then Shin could've exclaimed "WAIT! You can just use the dragon balls to defuse, like me and Kibito!" Would've been a far better solution to the arc.
Duh. That's why people hate that retcon.
@@buster3041 theres more reasons to hate the retcon than just that but yeah
@@kendukin9725 I know there's more but when you boil everything together this is the key point.
@@kendukin9725
Like the fact we could've had a mini-arc starring Vegeth and the goodies, in which they search a db set to defuse the former, and it could be a wacky adventure for wathever reason....
It wasn't retconned though. It was never explained as to why Vegito separated inside of buu. And this excuse fit. Only Kias can use the potaras permanently.
With the freeza arc, I think a good way to fix the power scaling is to have freeze train for a longer period of time and allow goku and vegeta to do the same. It could lead the fight to having goku needing to go all the way to super saiyen 3 just to gain an upper hand and still have the situation where goku gets shot, but this time leave vegetas win intact. That could be used as a lead into goku attempting to up his awareness during fighting, seeing as he could have died from that shot. That allows a good set up for the training for UI
That frieza Arc ,... I would have preferred Goku dying along with earth . And then Vegeta killing Frieza using whis's time reversal thing . For fuck sake , He needed to avenge for what Frieza did to his race , family and planet . I mean he is the ULTIMATE SAIYAN PRINCE . Not an wildman earthling who later realises he is a saiyan .
So, about Freeza training...
@@mamabriel 😂 man predicted time
@@neerazsharma6 agreed
well now it's even shitier
Swagkage: The synopsis makes it sound like Fanfiction.
Me: That's just about sums it up.
I've decided not to finish the anime after watching this.
@@tebogomahlomotja3305 the UI moment is almost worth watching for the chills
@@andresond2 the omen one was pretty cool, mastered not so much
@@teemuk1225 omen so much better visually mastered looks like silver ssj god lmao
@@teemuk1225
I know right, its bleached Goku.
Swag changed my view of the Goku Black arc.
Trunks was trying to Talk no Jutsu Zamasu.
Thought the same thing. Maybe Trunks was tired of always loosing to Black, started watching Naruto when recovering and thought it will solve the problem. But he doesn't understand how to perform it well so even guy that became genocidal fucktard after watching some caveman MMA for 5 seconds won't change his ways.
Trunks forgot which anime he was in and it shows...
DieGorn1000 damn you made my day lmao
That arc is still overrated
There is no logical explanation in the story as of why he does that. The only reason is because the writers couldn't come up with a way to communicate Trunks' sufferings and how mortals aren't just weak to the audience, other than making him scream it all the time.
You missed one very important point...How the hell did Vegeta not know that Goku had trained to get kaioken blue when he literally spent 3 years straight with him in the time chamber?!!! That was just prior to them going to the tournament too!
I guess that since it had 1/10 of chance to even survive turning it on, he didn't literally train Kaioken. He probably just was doing normal training and hoped that his body is strong enough.
@@Reality-Distortion still stupid
DieGorn1000 How would he know that it was a 1/10 chance to survive if he never used it? If he never used it how would he know he could even do it in the first place? If he did use it and stopped it still doesn’t explain how the hell he found out it was 1/10. If he would have just said it just puts a lot of strain on my body I would be cool, but he doesn’t. I haven’t watched super fully so if this was explained my bad.
@@dylanparrott8164 this isnt explained in super its explained in z when goku fights pikkon he uses super kaioken which he said almost killed him and if he tried it with a stronger transformation he would die
@@dylanparrott8164 I mean, I guess that's how training any kamikadze technique works. Look at 8 gates from Naruto. How do they know they can perform it if they can do it once per life and die?
Although I have no idea how would he calculate 1/10. Notice that few episodes earlier we've seen how Goku sucks at math soooo... yeah xD It's nothing but fake tension, something what DBS throws all over the place.
Man this is the best break down by far. Your extensive knowledge of DB and your logic is on point. You clarified a lot of things for me. And I agree wholeheartedly with your take. Thank you sir 🙌🏾🙏🏾
The fact he didn’t know how the pilaf gang became kids tells me both your takes are wrong
@@chriscoefield9331lmaooo can't wait to get to that point
@chriscoefield9331 I know I'm late to this (6 months late) but didn't he say that the pilaf gang used the dragon balls to become kids in the present? Which they did didn't they?
@@Jay_the_outer_god yes exactly. Active listening and paying attention seems to be difficult for some while delivering criticism comes easy to them
LMAO I love hearing Swag rip on DBS.
Datruth Lol
He’s biased he bash on tournaments of power because of to much talking acting like Naruto don’t do that on the regular
@@3rday600 difference is DBS characters talk about useless stuff like "oh he is fast he has surpassed his limit". in naruto they might talk a lot but they mostly talk about interesting things like explaining how a jutsu works or revealing new information like in the sasuke vs itachi fight when they were talking about madara.
Did u rainbow the 2 new units ?
Is that the WHALE?
Frieza was a cool character but now it's hard to be afraid of a bad guy that has lost so many times.
Hard to be afraid of a guy that both Goku Vegeta and arguably Gohan and 17 could all handle pretty easily.
Welll having a bad guy on your team in general makes his value in most stories lower. Once they’ve done that it’s hard to keep him seriously unless he has something up his sleeve.
@@spreadwuvokay Gohan can't handle him, and 17 can't handle him in the manga. in the manga, andriod 17 is only SSJ3 level which makes a lot more sense than him being SSB level.
@@jantheking7028 I don't like Gohan's power scaling but he was swapping hands with Dyspo who Frieza was having trouble with, and Gohan claimed he'd take Frieza out himself. It's very debatable is what I'm saying. In the anime 17 is just as debatable. When I said pretty easily I meant Goku and Vegeta, I should have established that better. I don't know enough about the manga to make a case though so I'll take your word for it. Point is it's a bit hard to be afraid of Frieza. Especially now that mui and fusion is a thing.
yeah but the thing is frieza is slippery and can backstab the heroes at any given moment, especially how he nearly did it almost four times in the TOP
he also caused DBS broly to happen
I literally got a headache watching this. I knew Super wasn't perfect, but it's straight up mind-numbing in retrospect.
Moro arc is meh
@@Ade-rg2oc Yeah a villian who is evil for the sake of being evil and someone who wants dragon balls and destruction of everything is new to you?
the fights are good cause of nostalgia and all but ya the writting's pretty terrible. the last 2 bosses zamasu and jiren were beaten by plot devices, a button to summon the omni-king and some op powerup that goku magically happened to get right before he would've otherwise died.
most of the stuff in dragonball z at least had some buildup to it, Vegeta ranting about the legendary super saiyan, Gohan's potential both of those weren't suddenly shoved into the moment with the freeza/cell fights. Most of the stuff in super's just plot device invented within the same episode.
@The Notorious Punk Objectively it sucks, does that make you feel better.
@The Notorious Punk I don't lose sleep over trivial matters such as that. But maybe you do.
Also, if Gowasu dies, wouldn’t his life also be linked to the god of destruction of that universe?
Thus, Zamasu starts his rain on the Gods.
Anime 101: a background character explains what you see...but you can already see it.
Shounen 101 to be honest, in my opinion Fate is one of the only shounen where this doesn't get out of hand. It's either having characters explain the most obvious shit, going 'this isn't even my full power, watch THIS!' or 'Oh you blocked my *whatever I just did*, in this case I'm gonna counter with THIS!'. ALWAYS in almost EVERY shounen type anime...
@Darth Shady But they did and it was a problem...
The problem of adapting a manga where that is sometimes necessary, to an anime where you can see it happening so description isn't needed as much. (Even though Super's anime and manga go at completely different paces?)
this is called "writing on the nose"
speedwagon 101
“Jiren black would’ve been a problem” wow straight facts
Pretty sure thats Whis Levels of power at that point
Damn
@@mr.preston1632 no
@@mr.preston1632 probably not Whis level but definitely approaching Angel tier in power
@@mr.preston1632 no
Just gonna throw this out there...
Episode 18 is lowkey the the most fun Dragon Ball Super episode. Don't @ me
i can agree with this
Episode 70 wants to talk with you
Ep 18 was a waste of time lmao what a moron
@@sikisikiamimis just like stating your opinion because you don't like their opinion and then insulting them on what they liked just like a scatter brain.
Yup and ep70
"Its return is right around the corner" oh boi how wrong we were
Piccolo was done so dirty in Super. That scene where he was about to show Goku the evil containment technique but Goku dismissed him and then Bulma said ‘you can still show us’ was one of the most funniest scenes🤣🤣 but I felt so bad for him 😭😭.
Piccolo? Hb Gohan? The guy was stronger than an ssj3 at the end of dbz, then when the whole Freiza thing happened, he turned out to be weaker than his 6-year-old self on Namek.
That was definitely a so sad it’s funny moment. I swear you can see his ears droop like a sad puppy.
Kind of sums up his writting in Super; building up to meaningful contributing, then completely shafted for another character.
Nice to see Bulma cares.
@@mr.person1219 gohan was not ruined in super. He always wanted to be a family man and a scholar and never wanted to fight unless he had to. That was always his character and if you never knew that then you were never really a gohan fan.
@@tylee2358 ye but it would make sense for him to train so he can protect that family and he definetly doesnt need to put too much time into it. since he knows that if goku and vegeta arent around stuff can get really bad
@@tylee2358 You're just being a fuckin' gatekeeper. Just because that's HIS CHARACTER doesn't mean situations won't arise that demand he get involved. That's the hallmark of a true reluctant hero. And it's something Toriyama _should_ have done since it seems he was so desperate to retire Goku at the end of the Buu Saga. He's the writer, he invents these situations. He has the authority to do that, and he chose not to. And as fans, the creator should not be above criticism as he presides over making this thing we love. You need criticism as quality control or else you have an echo chamber, as we see in some parts of Hollywood now.
Am I the only one who noticed him say fiancé not girlfriend? Well anyway!! Congratulations swagkage!!!
EDIT: didn’t expect to get this many likes!! Once again congrats swagkage!
Yeah, found it annoying. Like how TF is his Fiancee related to any of this?
Jealous
whales312 no btw Congrats swagkage from us fans
Damn bruh lonely much?
@@thewarrior4724 What kind of weird ass mindset must you have to think THAT when mentioned how he watched an anime with his fiance?
Swagkage: **doesn't upload**
Also Swagkage: **upload 40min video to make up for it**
40:49 i know im 2 years late, but that a "way out" soundtrack SLAPSSS, great taste man
I can answer all your questions with one phrase “plot armor”
This is a answer to almost every battle shounen series ever made.
@@animatedmvs8818 fr
@Sex'' Allatus Angelus Nah ITS ULTRA PLOTINSTINCT ARMOR.
This upload caught me off guard 😂
Ikr😂
Ya cause he fucking fell off and never fucking uploads like he use to he must have forgot how to upload shit
Any of you guys know how Boruto is doing? I honestly stopped caring after ep 64 for a while.
@@tensho7336 its geting better more consistent and deep if you want to know more go check out anime balls deep chanelle but the newist ep was pretty bad he nameds his new vid i might quit boruto but i think you should give it a try
@@litreviews308 Sweet, thank you.
Dragonball Super lacks one major thing that Dragonball, Dragonball Z, and Dragonball GT had. Tension.
There is no reason to be concerned for any of these characters in Super. Whis has the temporal do-over thing so when Goku and Vegeta make a mistake he just reverses said mistake, Zeno is on speed dial so even if the heroes lose Goku can just call on Zeno and have him delete the enemy, and the final antagonist of the show is nothing more than a walking power level and not actually evil.
We had villains like Mercenary Tao, King Piccolo and his son (who eventually turned good), Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Zarbon, The Ginyu Force, Frieza, The Androids (Including Cell), Majin Buu, and yes even the Shadow Dragons with their leader Omega Shenron that gave us some sort of tension. You don't feel any worry in Super, and if there is some worry it's just completely manufactured. Like with the Universal Survival Arc, it was made completely useless when 17 wished back every single universe that Zeno destroyed....so what was the fucking point of the tournament anyway? To have two little fucking psychopathic god kids just erase universes for fun?
I also completely disagree with you when it comes to Jiren. You compared him to a brick wall, and that's the problem. He's merely an object that's powerful. His backstory is awful and we have had characters who were incredibly strong but were also fleshed out. People shit on Syn/Omega Shenron for being a terrible character, but at least even with the bad writing of GT Omega Shenron still had a reason for "being". Jiren really doesn't in the grand scheme. He has no character to him.
don't forget, it happens before ubb and goku fly off, no reason to feel like they would lose, at all.
Simpleton Apollo dragon ball didn’t have tension either every time someone died they got revived from the dragon balls
Dragon ball/Z/GT was a aimed at teens/adults Super is aimed at kids with a hint of nostalgia for OG viewers who don't care enough to see this shit show as it is.
In the begging I thought the grand priest would end up being an enemy and that would have been cool but I guess not dbz isnt for story tho its the same thing as watching one piece at this point
Because they got stronger, like it was scary knowing if universe 7 would win because they made jiren so op seeing goku use his blue form with koyoken x20 wasn't good enough had me worried
Six years later. And the answer is still yes
that android 17 vs goku fight was garbage.. there is no way 17 should be able to go toe to toe with ssb goku 🤦🏽♂️
U know that he can train and get stronger...
ok but who did he train with? the animals 😂🤔 and last time I checked goku training was way more intense than 17
Jay 7 he don’t be mean to not FBI.
Just because your anonymous doesn’t mean that you have to act like your word is the gospel everyone agrees with you and if they don’t everyone thinks there dumb.
Forgive English
@@Jay-go2in then how he became stronger then he was on cell sega?
@@Jay-go2in did it came form the air
35:10 Screw "How did Trunks learn the Spirit Bomb?" MY question is: How did Trunks perform the Spirit Bomb WHILE IN SUPER SAIYAN?! It's been outright stated in the canon that one just... Can't do that.
Cause fuck logic trunks has fanfic power
Because Trunks fucking owns. He has always gotten way too little respect.
Fuck you Mai is disgusting
Maciej Rolbiecki imagine DEFENDING TRUNKS PERFORMING THE SPIRIT BOMB IN SUPER SAIYAN AND ABSORBING IT INTO HIS SWORD AND THEM ONE SHOTTING FUSED ZAMASU WITH THE SWORD. IMAGINE
Plot Armour
So.
Frieza became stronger than Teen Gohan, Majin Vegeta, Dabura, Supreme Kai, Majin Buu, Evil Buu, Super Buu, Mystic Gohan, Super Saiyan 3 Goku, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, and somehow closed the almost 1,000 times Gap between Super Saiyan 3 and God, and the exponential increase from the training with Whis
all in 4 months?
But marketing tho.
+Daryl Wright
Yes, that is pretty much this nonsense in a nutshell.
It makes you wonder if Toriyama really is as good as we think, huh?
@@TheGamersState
Even worse, they made 17 a key player. 17? How can taking care of animals and training in the wild compared to training with Whis?
If that's the case, then Piccolo should be a god! We know he trains everyday. And the humans? Should be way stronger
It's almost as if Super Saiyan God it's just a bump up from Super Saiyan 3. From what we know about Super Saiyans is that 99% of the universe can't even stand up to Super Saiyan 1, let alone two + 3. Just how are people reaching god tier so easily?
Yeah.
I don't see any problems with that. Not like it breaks any rhyme or reason within the series or anything right?
Nothing wrong with the 4 month thing Frieza beside Buu and the other like Bee was one of the strongest fighter ever without training that would mean he was already truly gifted and if you ask me any training he would do should raise his power level off the chart if he take it really serious and he really wanted that revenge more than anything I say it possible for Frieza to be able to pass Goku and Vegeta in power since he was already stronger than them to begin with but also everyone stats grow differently even more when they are a different race but I believe Frieza was one of the more gifted fighter in his whole race so I would never count Frieza out but would be cool if they allowed Frieza to reach his maximum potential no playing around real serious training for years truly know himself his limit not getting tired right away and so on would be a sweet battle vs Goku UI 🤔
With the Freeza power boost, I was so sure that in the TV adaptation Champa would show up and train Freeza and that's how he'd catch up. Anything would've made more sense than what we got.
It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person
But it’s impossible to win an argument with an idiot
You hear that trunks
Preach.
Hasan Siddiqui this show is basically tearing the whole dragon ball community part just like the last of us...
When you don’t get the reference
Basically supertards when it comes to who can beat who
@Man Without Fear my point exactly mate 😭💯
I cannot BELIEVE you didn't talk about the whole "the secret to the super saiyan transformation is to flex you back" nonsense.
FRFR
He did in the video before this.
And the girl broly because, feminists
@@you_tube6733yea that was dumb, but their fusion had a really nice design imo
@@you_tube6733 kale herself was annoying, but that has nothing to do with the fact that she's a female broly. After all, caulifla is basically a more arrogant and egotistical female goku but I never hear anyone actually complain about that
Piccolo beated 2nd form freeza and fought 17 on equal terms yet after 10 years of training he lost to a guy who had a powerlevel close to zarbon...
My Drowld how do you know his power was close to Zarbon lol he looked like him but we never got to see them actually fight lol
@@salt4024 His attack got him what else is there to say.....
My Drowld who’s attack that Zarbon Guy and Piccolo didn’t even fight
+Salt: they were talking abt Shisami in the Res F movie and Tagoma in the anime. In both versions, Sorbet says they are as strong as Dodoria and Zarbon were and in both versions Piccolo gets owned by them. Tagoma makes SLIGHTLY more sense bc he trained with Frieza but even then SSJ Gohan was able to defeat him easily sooo
@@tiablue9106"Trained" with frieza
Honestly dude, you did a good job with this video, I love super to death but i was still able to agree with most of the points presented in the video, great job my dude!!
Wish they made the show more serious.
@@ongfrfr249 I don't think super is even close to being better than z. Most of my reasons relate to swag's because of the fact that super is just inconsistent. One he didn't mention example is how the hakai got retcon into being just an exclusive ki blast for g.o.ds, You just have to be strong enough to resist it now. the show is more comedic or just kid friendly. Plus you know Z just might be better when super has to try and actually reuse the same scenes from Z, examples being: father-son ki wave, vegeta's final flash scene, and vegeta's explosion (sacarfice in Z) scene. Now I don't know about you, but every one of those scenes were done much better in Z. Also you don't have to like power scaling to find frieza's training stupid. Also again, two beings that are definitely weaker than buu saga goku and vegeta, potara fused, should not be pressing ssjb goku.
@@ongfrfr249 I respect your opinion to, but I can't agree that dragonball is kid friendly, DB had the most nudity and a bunch of lewd scenes.
@@ongfrfr249 oh ok.
XpertGamer 90 I wanted to respect ur opinion but ur opinion is fkn stupid🤦🏼♂️
Need that saiyan and frieza arc storytelling back
Now I can't stop thinking that Jiren black is the coolest stupid idea ever conceived
If i was a writter of DB Super, i would appeal to The fact that what Zamasu wanted it was a Saiyan body. Goku's body
That having Jiren's body wouldnt be a bigass boost for Zamasu
cuz Jiren's Ki, is what makes Jiren stronger... Not his body Alone... And Ki is somehow ur soul blablabla.
That The boost in power by having Jiren's Body would not be so different than Goku's...
but by having a Saiyan body , Zamasu can evolve in strenght much faster.
That what Zamasu wanted its a Saiyan body due to his biology
Gustavo Meneses Herrera That was hella nerdy 🤓 but glad someone explained it
Gustavo Meneses Herrera well since the super dragon balls could literally grant any wish possible, zamazu could of just wished for jirens ki or some shit
@@jeremiahmoss7500 good point
No matter how u look at it, that was a ridiculous scene
Zamasu could literally wish being stronger than anyone in the multiverse....
End of story, end of DB Super.
Gustavo Meneses Herrera if that's the case he could've gotten hits body and then hit would've been established as an actual bad guy
Nobody:
Zamasu: n i n g e n
Omg 😂
4 years later
This is still my favourite Swagkage video
Your hatred for Zamasu makes my heart smile. lol
no
Yellow Money ningens
Yeah zamasu saga was pretty ass
¡ShayneTheWeeb ¡ finally someone agrees a lot of people love that arc
Mmm... I actually thought Zamasu and Goku Black were the best bad guys in Super. They had a good plan, played their cards well, and they were actually pretty unique.
I remember when Swag started the video with "Whats POPPIN everybody?"
Simpler times
Chance Jones like 2 years ago?
I feel like everyone forgets that the Android/Cell Saga had the subplot of the "race to Super Saiyan 2," where we already saw the pain of Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks as they turned Super Saiyan, and each try their own way to evolve the form (Super Saiyan Full Power, Ascended Super Saiyan, Ultra Super Saiyan). Then, during all this, we see Gohan have his own dramatic Super Saiyan transformation. And, through all the setup in the Saiyan and Namek arcs, he is the one to win the race. Comparing that level of brilliant writing with DBS is just stupid.
On that note, Goku went Super Saiyan when he thought he finally did the impossible, yet Frieza is revealed to have survived the Spirit Bomb and kills Krillin brutally. Future Trunks went Super Saiyan when he hated himself for not being strong enough after witnessing the death of his best friend Gohan, lifeless in the rain. Vegeta went Super Saiyan when his pride as the Prince of all Saiyans was causing himself to collapse, witnessing Goku and Trunks seemingly steal what he believed was his destiny. Gohan went Super Saiyan when he was breaking down in fear, realizing that if he is too weak, then he can't save anyone and everyone will die.
Goten and Trunks went Super Saiyan purely as a joke, so I can excuse that, but Cabba had one of the dumbest transformations ever. And don't get me started on Kale and Caulifla.
Kale caulifla when through 2 ss transformations in like 2 episodes whereas gohan, goku, and vegeta has to actually work to get there it’s just lazy writing
How is trunks and goten turning super saiyan a joke?
cabba had a really good transformation, even better in the manga and kale's sorta made sense
but wtf was that caulifla transformation
I really love the Cell Saga. I think Frieza saga is more cohesive and tighter written but I love the general feeling of this saga. Goku acts like a wise, seasoned master, Gohan being Goku's successor, the moral questions of killing innocent lives and I like that Piccolo is still relevant at this point :D
Goten and Trunks were able to easily achieve SSJ because their fathers HAD ALREADY achieved SSJ, not because of some tingling in their back and S-cells.
Roshi's powerlevel is below 200...what the heck is he even doing there
Thats how horrible super is, total garbage.
Rosho never stopped his training, why would he have below 200 (which isn't even near the canonical power level he had the last saga where power units were used, saiyan saga)
These nostalfanZ really inventing fake "facts" to try making a point, that's how desperate they are lmao
He at 1 million
"Making clones isn't inpressive" *Naruto would like to have a word with you*
@Nice Try Are you fucking high?
@@anactualfennecfox1 hes worse then high
Naruto would at least have a strategy when using clones. Picillo just moved around while powering up his MOST LETHAL move in a tournament where killing is against the rules.
@@emmanuelreid7726 you're talking about super right?
Clones came a long time ago since Tien use them against teen goku 🤦🏻♂️
You cannot compare dragonball super to dragonball z. Be serious. Super is just a cash grab for kids .
Like boruto
Kinda, that's why I rather read the manga instead of the anime
db z was also bad in my opinion.
@@RaptureHead1993 agree
@@milanbucan6469 dbz wasnt bad it was ok but it got bad towards the end but at least we have the Og dragon ball which is good
Friza soldier: you should train to be better then gok-
Also him: dead
Yeah I was thinking that too when he complained no one advised Frieza to train before running to fight Goku. I imagine the underlings knew by that point you don't give advice unless your asked, and it better be what he wants to hear. Still makes Freiza an idiot though.
You know what? This might be exactly what Frieza needs to make him interesting: a partner. Someone that can sit by his right hand side, say whatever he wants, and be strong enough to not have to worry about being killed. A relationship kind of like Goku and Vegeta's. In time, Frieza might even come to respect this partner. In the meantime, their relationship might even be humorous. Like, Frieza gets pissed at the guy and runs around threatening him for a while, but we know nothing's going to amount to it because they're too equally matched, and Frieza doesn't genuinely hate the guy.
@AbuBakr Akram
Frieza: I guess I have to summon… *him*
Frieza: Hey Bro… I know we haven’t talked in a while, but… you want to *hang out?*
@@abubakrakram6208 Frieza has berryblue
Fishguy Not good enough. They’d need to be on near-equal footing.
With Trunks' spirit bomb, all it would've taken was one line of Goku saying "Everyone give me your energy so I can send it to Trunks!". That would've been enough! Or even better have someone from the main timeline somehow communicate (establish a way to do it first, like a time tunnel or something) and send energy from loads of universes for the attack.
I agree, the problems w/ super are so glaring bc a lot of them have simple solutions but the writers usually don't bother
U underestimate toriyama's and toytaro's level of stupidity
Trunks suddenly becoming strong enough to take out Fused Zamasu even though Vegito Blue couldn't do it? That's an Akira Toriyama hand job. With the amount of bs power ups that happened in Super I'm surprised Akira Toriyama isn't suffering from chronic arthritis in his wrists.
JNoir J woahhhhh where did you get this from. Can’t say I remember Vegito vs zamasu lmao.
Why can't people understand that Akira Toriyama had little and I mean very little involvement in Super. It was literally just a cash-cow by Toei milking everyone's nostalgia.
One NotTwo no he had lots of involvement I don’t know where you got this idea
@@calebsz3536 Maybe It's my nostalgia, if that actually true my respect for him has taken a nose dive.
It was meant to end at buu, but you know how whiney babies can be.
Also how do you not remember vegito vs zamasu like did you actually watch the show?
i believe that this whole show was just a cash grab. So that they could sell DLCs in dbz games. Look at xv2 it has freaking 10 dlcs
Toei have no real interest in what Bandai sell for their games though, other than the royalties from using their IP. I do agree that it was definitely to sell merch and toys, though.
Ea:
Laughs in 50 DLCs for one part of a game
Yeah but that game is actually good. Something Super can’t say
I'd rather pirate the DLC. No way I'm spending that much money on a four year old game.
I heard it was because DBGT was so bad, Akira Toriyama decide to write DBS.
Overall I’d say the series was pretty meh, there were little golden nuggets sprinkled through out but most of the time it was unimpressive.
Especially ToP. I hated that they had that trash desktop background for the entire tournament of energy blasts blowing up. But some of it was good as well.
Oreo true
@@LetsDiscussFR Exactly. The setting of ToP didn't leave anything to imagination. It was just a matter of guessing who did the writers dedicate the episode to pit X against Y character or giving/revealing transformations for even the fodder units that I really don't care about . It lacked the adventure aspect of the series for me because the whole arc was pretty much stuck in this ring . Not a lot they could do with it . I loved only a a couple scenes like Roshi's etc . Rest of it was forgettable .
I was one of the best additions
@@assassinhit6684 True. They did you dirty tho.
Frieza never training until Resurection 'F' I think can be pretty well explained with how he really didn't want to risk being sent to Hell again. Also his power boost after a short time isn't just that he's a prodigy, it's that he is a very mutated member of his race. And Roshi being on the team isn't so crazy if we consider he must've restarted his own training at some point so he could help his students instead of just staying in the background. This training would probably have had to have started around the Saiyan Saga, and by the time of Frieza's resurrection he had surpassed Yamcha and Chiaotzu.
Can you a do a “how to fix dragon ball super video” like the “How to fix narutos war arc” vid
EDIT: maybe swag could do a video for each arc seeing as though the whole show is very long and for tournament of power he could probably do a two parter since it’s very long
Lucas Feliciano or better yet, “ How to Fix The Tournament of Power “ that shit is LITERALLY half the show
@@mezasepkmn they literally did two and it were so many contradictions and ass pulls
You would have to make a 4 hour video. Also supers problems trace back to z.
@Plot made Sasuke not copy 1000 jutsu like Kakashi gonna have to disagree with you there.
All they need to do is fix the characters. Stop making them scared of bullets. Make goku smart again, make vegata bad ass and picolo since he's a babysitter now. Then the show should be good
I’ve never watched DBS. I just like watching Swagkage rant
Same
Same
It's actually good. Inconsistent yes but IT'S MORE DRAGON BALL and the hero's we love. I even like blue... although god when battle of godz was announced. omg that was amazing. little Kid Goku is now a GOD
One i mean i don’t know much about it firsthand but from watching this video, as well as many others, i kind of gathered that it isn’t worth watching. Thx for the heads up
Me too. Its just too depresing for me to watch an epic anime i grew up with being destroyed like this with all these stupid transformations and arcs......
I thought I was the only one who didn't enjoy the Goku Black arc. I feel everyone thinks it's dope, but it seemed cheesy to me.
It's the only Arc that had any kind of symbolise of threat.
That's true. I just didn't like how it ended tbh. I think everything throughout was good, but the Trunks boost really killed it for me.
I thought it was goten but it was zamasu🙄 It would be more interesting not some jealous people who want to steal Goku body
I think goku black/zamasu was cool just woah it wasn't a trunks arc because future trunks is trash.
I liked it
Goku and Vegeta had 16 years of training yet 4 months was enough to get beaten by Frieza
Yeah that was dumb.
Goku and Vegeta had 7 years of training yet 24 hours was enough to get EASILY surpassed by Mystic Gohan, and to this day nostalfanZ cal, it "peak Gohan's character" lmao
@@crossknight1490my guy you’re making up people that don’t exist
In DBS everyone is a flanderization of themselves with the ocasional good moment.
I love DBS Vegeta with all my heart
@@ethanwatson6131 the worst version of Vegeta ever.
Bet you are one of those who is going to say "this is a new time for a new standarts, let's get rid of the old boring one dimensional stupid series' for the sake of "Good" "Developed" "Goodwritten" series".
@@VladyDaddy7Z Lmao dude relax. What is your problem lol
Leave my tsundere Vegeta out of this
Cant stand DBS version if Vegeta. Remember when his vocab was more than "hmm"
Theres literally a dbz episode titled “fighting power over 1 million?” Where frieza hits over a million before the final form
The math in that saga is retarded regardless
Goku shows up and was supposed to be so much stronger than everyone there and the only one who stands a chance against Frieza.
Frieza boasts that he was only using 1% of his full power against Goku initially.
His full power is 120 Million
What's 1% of that?
1.2 Million
So you mean to tell me he made all these forms because he couldn't control his final form. Only to use barely more power than he had in his second form against Goku. When you put it that way it makes Vegeta look like a fucking idiot (more so) and scales Goku around Piccolo level. If he showed up to face Xenomorph Frieza he would have gotten shot to hell just as fast as Piccolo did. Absolutely absurd.
@@nullandvoid7524 are you degraded or you really so ignorant about how battle power works?
If his strength doubles each time, which makes sense, then 2nd form would be 1,060,000.
@@nullandvoid7524 I think it was like this.
1st for Frieza. 530 thousand.
2nd form 1 mill
3rd form 2 mill
Final form 120 mill.
Vegeta was probably 2 mill and Goku was 3 mill.
I think the using one percent part was a translation error because in the manga it said that Vegeta was getting creamed by 2% Final form Frieza... Which is stronger than his 3rd form by a bit. He was definitely using a bit more power against Goku, plus Goku has Kaioken.
My theory is that if Frieza used less power than what his max power was in his 3rd form while in his final form... He would've reverted.
@@nullandvoid7524 But it's still kinda BSn
Last time frieza saw goku he was a super saiyan. Comes back stronger than ssj, ssj 2, ssj 3, ssg, ssgss
On top of this, SSG is implied to be stronger than Super Vegito, so he's also in that list since he was stronger that SS3 Goku.
shit was ridiculous. to me, the series ended after goku killed majin buu, gt dont count. super dont count
Blaze up super
Does lmao it’s canon
@@mshotz5171 you miss his point
Blaze up the series should’ve ended after gohan killed cell
You also forgot how unfair the writers really are against the non-main characters in the TOP. They're all getting weaker by the minute while Goku, especially Goku, just gets stronger by the power of friendship.
Yeah thats also a reason why this show felt lame compared to dbz they basically went standard lame shounen type of anime it reminds me alot of fairy tail
T.o.P. has literally been the peak of non-main characters. If you want to talk about writers being unfair with Z warriors you have the wprst saga ever produced in DB, the saiyan saga, where we are just supposed to watch our 5 secondary characthers that we saw training and improving for years through DB (which adds up to more than 100 episodes) just so they fucking die in the most pathetics of ways (Yamcha became a meme of how pathetic someone can be, even used to describe lame idiots outside DB. Chaoz had the most souless and forgetable of sacrifices in the franchise), and this mfs couldn't even get Nappa tired
Really? 5 minor characters that Toriyama took an entire series to build and they can't even take on a minor villain? Christ
@@crossknight1490ok listen I can respect the rest but don’t diss the saiyan saga like that
Gohan was like the best in Z, look what they do to him now
I know right?!! I was sooo disappointed!😞
C.M Playz Who? Goku? By fusion with Vegeta? Ssj3 was definitely weaker than Mystic Gohan...
XpertGamer 90 we’re talking about his potential and his speed to gain a massive power boost. DBS gohan can not stand up to the beast that was Z gohan, he was the first saiyan to go ss2
@@ongfrfr249 bruh nobody cares except ppl with 0 brain cells from power ups that make no sense at all krillin got stronger for no reason i dont get it why cant they make them train Krillin came to master roshi's island to become a great martial artist he should had been more motivated to train rather than slacking off same with tien and yamcha plus gohan in bog had ultimate a few months later he lost it DBS is shit Plus Android 17 got stronger from doing no training he just scared away poachers Plus since he is human he should technically become weaker not become a billion times stronger and when i say that I mean litterly android 17 was in the billions and pretty sure ssb goku is after quadrillions whatever comes after that
@Ish My favourite Gohan was Teen Gohan. He was the most powerful character! More powerful even from Goku! He is the best!
Y'all remember when Buu got ripped?
i do...
Fit Buu: I has the properties of both Rubber and Gum.
@@francescolombardi3438 nice hxh reference
Then promptly went to sleep lol
Francesco Lombardi ok but what does Pot of Greed do?
I always felt that blue should have been save for the U6 tournament and standard SSJ God should have been the only transformation in the Ressurection F arc.
It would have given an underutilized form more time to shine as well as a really cool twist when Vegeta pulls it out, similar to what we saw in the Broly movie.
Or either make a whole new concept of SSJ God entirely as well as Blue or not make SSJ Blue at all. I have this good idea of how the God Forms should be more unique to the Saiyans instead of them having the same Forms.
Yeah, they’ve been shitting out transformations left, right and center in DBS. With absolutely zero build up and tension- save for ultra instinct.
SSJ Blue should’ve had an insanely epic debut, especially considering the bar set by the SSJ 3 introduction in Z.
Instead we got some rocks flying around, and that was that, compared to the entire earth shaking for SSJ 3.
For divine transformations such as SSG and SSB, you’d expect them to have much higher status and build up.. to really take them serious.
i just realized something: Zamazsu wanted to wipe out all mortals but he partnered himself with a mortal.
Vegito brings this up and then zamasu says some shit about how he always planned that and vegito sighs and is like "well you have an answer for everything dont you..."
@@MindAndMythI mean if you want to answer with the I don’t know how to read what is actually canonical.
Both of you are stupid. Op for not realizing that he teamed up with a mortal.
Second dude for not actually know what happened between gomasu and vegito
"So I guess he's a Super Duper Prodigy."
Then Vegeta will become a Super-DEE Duper Prodigy!!!
They should've just called it: dragon ball rainbow.....like 10 transformations with 10 different colors, just sucks.....
10? When I counted it was only 3, I can say the same for ssj2 spiker blond hair, lighting, ssj3 longer blond hair no eyebrows, ssj,ssjg,ssj4 were the most original forms rest aren't
Lol We got yellow, green, red, blue, pink, and silver. 😂 Ssj4 was at least somewhat original.
@@kaichen3830oozaru, ssj and ssj4 and ssg are the only good original forms in db
@@treemane0 yeah Super Saiyan at first was original. Super Saiyan 3 somewhat.
@@kaichen3830 actually, I think all the ssj forms are original, ssj2 might be debatable for some chars but it's unique I guess. I also think ssj god red was a good transformation. So yeah I was kinda wrong on that one.
Another thing with the TOP
Goku got like 15 second winds
He constantly went "I'm out of energy " or" oh I can't move anymore" but was back to fighting strength next episode, if not immediately
Remember in the Saiyan Saga if he said something like that, he actually meant it?
well when you have less than an hour to fight and dozens of enemies around you, no room to say "Guys Im guna rest for a while"
@@XbninjaXIV I mean jiren went to go fucking meditate so...
@@garciaforbes2013 Because he knew that nobody was worth his time
@@garciaforbes2013 Jiren was tiers above even Goku, look how it ended. Still full power tanking 3 fighters.
Might I add Goku was a target, U9 made him out to be the bad guy. Do you not remember?
My boi Swagkage spitting the facts here.