Wow this video actually made me tear up, Seth you've outdone yourself, not the typical gt bad but you actually watched the shoe and then felt emotion and conveyed it beautifully to us all.
Exactly, this is easily one of my favorite Db videos now. Instead of a review, its an actual look at GT's story for what it is and I think he got it perfectly. This is why I love DB. Cant wait for his DBS Analysis (at least the anime)
Agreed. I loved GT before, but I never noticed the symbolism in the first arc. I thought it was just an excuse arc to have an intergalactic adventure that ended with another Goku vs Vegeta fight.
i think i liked totallynotmark's spin on it more. a lot of gt was bad, that's undeniable, but to say it didn't have a lot of potential would be a disservice.
GT is wildly underrated. The thing I love best about the ending is that Goku finally got the world he always wanted to see: one that isn't constantly under threat from one unstoppable force or another, where people have more or less chosen peace, and where martial arts tournaments are once more for the love of the sport rather than life-or-death battles. Goku got to see that the world finally made it to that point, and he can leave knowing that it doesn't need him or anyone like him. There's an aspect of freedom in that to be sure; but I imagine Goku sees it more as, the earth is safe and that's what matters.
You are the first person I have ever heard say it, besides myself. GT was wonderful. The only truly annoying part was the Dancing Brothers. The music dudes. I wanted to end the show right there.
@@POTATOEMPNEven the Para Para guys make sense to me: original Dragon Ball was full of weird villains. Remember the rabbit who could turn you into a carrot? Additionally, villains whose ability is something you can't overpower with a bunch of ki, are a pretty good challenge.
GT is a way better arc than Super. I absolutely love GT. It might be nostalgia, but I just prefer the power level and the stories from that era of Dragonball. And the ending was absolutely perfect. I hated that they undid all that with super.
I just love how much you love Dragonball. All these analysis, all his power scaling, all these long ass discussions, all of them come from a place of pure love and admiration for Dragonball. And I'm glad that you're sharing with us what you are getting from DB.
One thing I like about GT is how it introduced real tension into the narrative without giving our heroes a cop out and made an honest attempt to explore the Universe and different Alien cultures.
No cop outs huh? So pulling your chopped off tail out of your ass with pliers to achieve SSJ4 isn’t a cop out!? That show sucks had no tension whatsoever.
GT is downright nostalgic, warm and feels more down to earth and personal than super does... dunno why it felt that way, probably because of the time I watched it for the first time...felt like a lovely innocent experience and it also has probably the most appropriate dragon ball ending one can have...
What I like about SS4 is that it is literally a physical mutated transformation. Just like the Great Ape form where they completely change. SS1-2 it's just a hair color change along with SS3 with just a loss of eye brows but SS4 looks like a humanoid Ape mutation and the user also appears "in control" compared to the Great Ape. It's a uniquely creative design which imo through its own appearance displays the peak of Saiyan power.
To me Ss4 looks cooler and more design-appropriate for the saiyans than ss god or UI ….. that perfected ape form is awesome way better and more interesting than just various color hair changes
I like to think that the shadow dragons are punishers. Wether if they spare the characters intentionally or not, they're kept alive in order to be pummeled for their sins over abusing the dragon balls. Arguibly, nobody used the dragon balls as much as the Z warriors, it's "logical" for them to suffer the most of consequences. That makes GT ending even more satisfying, while the whole gang is confronted with the mistakes they comitted, Goku also receives the ultimate redemption and is able to ascend between the realms.
Honestly the whole of GT feels kind of like a purgatory story I know its japanese and therefore eastern and Im about to apply a western christian theme to it but it does to me feel kind of like a purgatory story of people facing their crimes and their sins and being punished (and then forgiven) like baby is the sins of their saiyan heritage super 17 is idk all the villains they killed instead of reformed and the shadow dragons are their defiance of the natural order, undoing death and so on, playing god essentially
I rewatched all of GT for nostalgias sake a few years ago and I shed a tear on the last episode. When you watch Goku absorb the dragon balls and fly away, it’s like a parent died. Cause he was the personification of hope and goodness, even though his lessons were taught and learned, he was still gone, as far as we knew.
@@you_tube6733 Facts, the only thing that was close to that was Goku, 17, and Frieza fighting together to beat Jiren. And I appreciate the fact they had the voice actor from the Ocean dub to voice copy Vegeta.
I watched it on TV as a child, many years ago. I distinctly remember myself crying uncontrollably and being shaken for days after I watched the final episode. It's the saddest, but at the same time most beautiful thing I could possibly imagine for a Dragon Ball ending. Part of me is happy that Super retconned this, even though I love it. It's just too heartbreaking.
That’s hilarious, I picked up watching GT again after not finishing it years ago, only got through the first season. The second I saw this video I knew I had to finish this series before I watched it in case of spoilers. Finally watched the last episode last night so now I’m finally watching this video after it’s been on hold for three weeks in my browser lol
It's a great ending, easily the best thing in GT. However, it really doesn't mean much, it's a pretty low bar. Even in this video analisys Seth claiming that Goku is the rappresentation of Freedom really comes out of nowhere. Goku really doesn't rappresent freedom in Dragon Ball, it's a concept that makes sense only when applied to like the first chapter in the OG and MAYBE the Frieza arc, but that's really pushing it. Goku has rappresented different concepts in DB, but those that fit him best are perseverance, determination and thrill. At moments self acceptance was the key, at other times classism was (mainly Saiyan and Frieza saga), at others it showed the importance of mentorhood (mainly Boo arc, but that arc is an absolute mess and it's completely dropped). But Freedom? Maybe in some specific spot but it really isn't character identifying trait This felt like Seth pushing something onto the GT story.
@@nuredingeziqi679 Goku is a Free Spirit kinda of guy, that have always been there, he does what he wants, and likes, try to help others, and is a friendly guy, Goku is kinda like Sonic in that sense.
One of the great aspects of GT is how the power ceiling is established with Baby (SSJ4) and beyond that we just know there's not much else to do other than smart usage of the available skills and powers the sayans have at their disposal. Which makes a whole lot of sense, and leads to things feeling somewhat real and having a sense of tangibility. Because of this, there's also more unpredictability, as "getting a new form to beat new foe" isn't in the cards. One other amazing thing are the poetic undertones of the SSJ4 resembling a monkey, referring back to Sun Wukong's journey to the west, and drawing those symbolic parallels of "Monkey VS Dragon" that nourished Dragon Ball for so long. I wish GT had continued for one extra arc, where Piccolo would have received some sort of power up (either warrior like or sage like) and thus unravelling a final catharsis for the whole story. Possibly with Gohan as a protagonist, as he had always been meant to be the vanguard of a new, final arc that would wrap everything about the series, and set the tone for a future which would not be told (stories always have to end). There's so much that could have been done with this narrative, but writers just love to *cheapen* everything out. In its current iteration (Super), Dragon Ball resembles a cheap western Marvel/DC shtick, which is meant to never really end, and to have characters become static, and permastuck in "their thing" (same old habits, same old personality, same old shtick, endless repetition of the same patterns for all eternity), as the stories get milked forever.
I think ending shouldn't really change and there's definitely room for a lot of this other characters shine stuff to be added in Super 17 arc , shadow dragon arc . Would be awesome if we got a remake with some this basic polishing making the series as great as dbz .
@@KeinProblem-uv5jhhe was referring to ss4 being the peak unlike suoer where we get god, then blue, then perfected blue, or blue kaioken, then omen, Then mastered uktra instinct, than true ultra instinct Gr had a defined final form and that was ssj4 it was the strongest form that goku could ever attain and it was only surpassed by goku when he literally trancended basically everything in the show
Love Seth's narrative analysis videos, don't always agree with his takes, but they usually make things slot together in my head in a new way. Hope he keeps making them.
@@xman2oo3 an opinion is nothing. Yeah. If Seth is nothing but opinionated, then his videos are futile. A opinion does not have a shred of evidence in them. Just a thoughtless take. The appropriate way to describe Seth would be a speculator, not what you see him as.
@@neotoad456 uh... What? I literally just said that I disagree with him on occasion, that's it, not that he was bad or anything. He does really good research and makes his points really well, I'm just saying I see or interperate some parts of stories and scaling different.
Thus ending brings tears to my eyes even in this video. Goku really does represent the child in everyone, the virtue we all want in our lives, and the person who makes others happier. It's crazy how much of a role model he has been, and how he affects me. I really want to feel like that dragon scene when I'm done here
@@ta0paipai yep he means Dan Dan Kokoro, I hate that I never grew up with that one and grew up with Step into the grand tour(still liked this opening but it was meh)
@@christopherford39 I remember the Funimation advertisement on a DB dvd. "Think you know GT?" Then the most cringeworthy advert followed. I knew GT, that wasn't GT. It was then I decided I wouldn't buy another funimation dvd.
Also, the Shadow Dragon arc is quite possibly my favorite arc in Dragonball. As you alluded to, Seth, the Shadow Dragons never really seemed concerned with getting revenge for misusing the Dragon Balls, but instead to test Goku's resolve and his "worthiness" of ascension, something that is very common in Eastern mythology. Goku has a stronger connection to the Dragon Balls than anyone in the series despite all the people who coveted them above all else. The 4-star ball especially is essentially the physical manifestation of who Goku is fundamentally as a person, and their incessant use of the balls represented Goku's inability to let things go whether it be a friend's death or the idea that evil may triumph over him. But in order to defeat the Shadow Dragons, Goku had to let it go. He had to let it all go. Goku's Spirit Bomb was exactly that: his spirit, his hopes, dreams, desires, love for his friends and family, basically the very essence of himself as a mortal. When Goku let go of that Spirit Bomb and by extension all the feelings and emotions that would cause someone to seek out the Dragon Balls, he passed the test and became worthy.
When trying to stop the negative karma ball, goku says that he understood the point, that he will no longer rely on the dragon balls to win, and this is where he changes.
The in-depth deconstruction and explanation between Baby and Goku, from their characters, their backgrounds, and what/who they are to the story is just immaculate. Always doing good work, Seth.
I got goosebumps when you showed the clip of omega shenron asking “who are you?” to goku. as you said shenron knows everything about goku at this point but the fact that he doesn’t recognize him anymore shows goku did have some kind of transformation or ascension in the crater
I think the ssj4 transformation and the focus on the great ape was really cool. I think it was the most raw transformation since ssj1, and I kind of wish ssj God tied into the ape forms too. I think the idea that wishes have consequences was great, too. Contrast to super where bulma wishes for cosmetic upgrades... I think the ending as you explained it makes sense, too. I do wish that maybe it was made a little more clear for the western audience.
Ultra Instinct kinda does, with the oozaru scream, on that first fight between Goku and Jiren, but after that, the oozaru pretty much is not even referenced properly in any of the transformations, neither super saiyan god, or blue, or beast gohan, etc... sure, Broly had a form where he uses the power of great ape in normal form, but that makes the oozaru feels less special, doesn't even feel like a reference, feels more like a lazy excuse to power up broly, it's even kinda disrespectful to the form.
@@andrewp979 including the following manga in the granolah arc that Whis wanted Goku find his own instinct and he kinda did after he remembered about his parents.
@@PauloAnnunaki ssj4 is more than just oozaru or golden oozaru power in normal form, he is much more powerful and seens like almost an evolutionary state of the saiyans.
Very intriguing. I haven't seen anyone look at the series this deeply. It's far fuller and more well-rounded than I gave it credit for, in spite of its flaws. This gave me much to consider. Thank-you...
I’d love it as a transformation exclusive to the legendary super saiyans. If they don’t wanna just pass it out to everyone since vegeta and Goku have kinda moved past saiyan transformations.
Got Damn this was well Done… I love GT I don’t get so much hate. But then you go and point out all the main things that are positive about it! New Sub here!
Entire theory of Syn trying to purify Goku would've been confirmed if Syn died with smile on his face knowing that he did his mission. Unless Syn was actually unaware of what he's doing. Entire final battle Syn was like evil version of Goku, letting his opponents power up, holding back, actually trying to stop enemy when he realises they're about to turn into something much stronger. Theory that Syn couldn't hurt Goku at the end also makes a lot of sense. Syn's abilities were using Evil and negativity. Goku at the time of throwing genki had zero evil in him, so Syn couldn't hurt him at all.
02:07 finally someone who understands what the real issue is. GT was so good to the point where DBS started reusing concepts from it. Goku Black is a copy paste of Baby Vegeta. Baby hates saiyans, takes over a saiyan body and tries to destroy all saiyans, in the same way Black hates mortals, takes the body of a mortal, and tries to kill all mortals. All UI Goku is a copy paste of Goku dodging Omega Shenron's attacks while being blind. 2 of the most enjoyed concepts from DBS are LITERALLY taken from GT and people still try to downplay how great GT was.
Hating saiyans isn't even original by baby, being immortal and killing every person isn't even original by baby. Goku's heightened senses making him able to dodge is UI? You just see the dodging and assume "Yeah! Ssj4 is the original!". You guys trying to hype GT in the worst ways. Actually praise its good aspects without looking like a sheep copy and pasting the dumbest arguments.
@@lordraiden7397 what exactly is the difference between SSJ4 Goku dodging blind and UI Goku dodging with his eyes closed? Can you enlighten me, because for me they sound the exact same concept but just implemented differently......
@@EonOfDestruction SSJ4's heightened sense is portrayed as just heightened sense. Despite being blind, he can move as if he isn't. UI makes him react and perform feats without him trying to think or fully act. Him dodging syn shenron is just meant to show how much powerful he is when he's at full power.
@@lordraiden7397 while I agree that hating saiyans wasn't original to Baby, you can't disagree on the fact that stealing a saiyan body to destroy them using it was original to him Therefore, Goku Black stealing a mortal body and using it to kill mortals is still a copy-paste of Baby Vegeta.
@@ultraegovegito7702 Uhm? Majin buu took the bodies of the strongest warriors to be the most dangerous. Cell copied literally is also one who absorbed and copied. People hating saiyans ain't even new dawg. You're giving baby too much credit.
even at the end in dubbed, shenron says "are you coming?" to goku which makes it feel like they made a deal in secret to everyone. In original, he simply states to goku "It's time to go". Changes that scene completely@@louiuzi4036
I love how you didn't try to insert your own opinion about the show's overall quality at the end but instead opted to close out your thesis on finding freedom with an analysis of how Goku, his friends, and his loved ones were able to obtain freedom through his life pursuit and spiritual ascension. It was a very lovely sign-off to the video and made me look at GT a bit differently. Really well done.
I appreciate this guys reviews because he doesn’t just edit clips from every single episode and just slap over a recording of a basic critique with big words.
I hope this vid gets the views it deserves. Seth beautifully explains all the nuances and story elements we never understood that made most wrongly hate GT. Also the GT music always brings tears of joy to my eyes
The dub problem is actually pretty prevalent. It seems most of the time the Japanese writing is adult and mature and then the people who translate it turn it into a mockery
Yeah, and they always add some eDgY or goofy ass music over it. Compare the infamous "Jelly Doughnut" scene from Pokemon vs the subbed counterpart, and you'll see what I mean instantly. Hell, they even do that with the Syn Shenron thing, because God FORBID Shenron's (dub only) threat is said over ambient wind, right?
I love the DBZ movies, but I watched them in their Portuguese (PT) dub. When i watched them on Funimation i had to turn off the english dub and just put the Japanese version on. They add shitty music, the translation is off, it's horrible.
Something that makes me happy is that GT is recently getting more praised and analyzed deeply, instead of being harshly judged as the black sheep of the DB franchise, it's actually a good show and I will fight people over it, yes it has its flaws (just like Z and DEFINITELY like Super) but that ending to me it's one of the best things ever done with the name DB in it. It's not just a Disney type of ending and they lived happily ever after...it's actually a deep and profound ending that no one exactly know til this day what it means.
This, though I do wish they focused more on a lot of concepts and gave more character development. I'd love to see more of Pan actively becoming the new protagonist, but still being far behind the heights Goku and Co are at. What I originally wanted Boruto to be tbh. Naruto being the guy for the big threats and being a path Boruto can choose to follow and he chooses it and gets powerful, but through his development starts to go his own route. That's what Pan should be.
I would have liked GT continuity to continue, with them having to make do without goku, but him just being there to watch over them and giving them advice secretly whenever they needed it. If he was going to show up later it should really only be because something at his level came down to mess with the living world and there was absolutely no choice, or he could push someone else in person to meet that level of power.
I would rather it becomes an group thing with vegeta taking on the mentor role to get everyone one in shape since they all need to step up without goku around. If we go with goku jr, it would be a good way to create a new dynamic with the rebuilding of the Z team and new dynamic between goku's and vegeta's family.
I was a little concerned going into this video thinking you were just going to crap on gt for 40 minutes but no you have an excellent analysis/review of gt that surprisingly was very positive, and me as one of the biggest gt fans on earth I can say I am very happy with your video. Thank you for making this Seth. We gt fans appreciate it.
sincerely, thank you for making this, and bravo. not only is it a necessary venture in opening people's eyes to the true quality of GT, but many things you brought up display a level of insight many (myself included) could never hope to match.
“The true quality” The truth is that GT is a generally awful story. Pacing is garbage, many boring and underwhelming story beats, character development is pretty much nonexistent for most characters, no one outside of Goku (and Vegeta at the very end) contributes anything relevant to the major fights, and a good portion of the fights are choreographed really poorly. It’s not pure trash, but it seems that most people’s distaste for Super has promoted this idea that GT is good because it’s not DBS when the reality is that they both suck for different reasons.
@@Watermelon_Man I watched it before super and i've liked it since then . Lol . Yeah i also wanted Vegeta and other characters to get more cool scenes in fights , but you don't have to make such a misinformed statement just because you're pissed , " nobody contributes anything relevant to major fights " . Dude , Goku would've died against Baby Vegeta in his first fight if Supreme kai didn't save him , literally Old kai is the reason ssj4 even became possible , Goku would die again in golden great ape if Pan didn't help him remember his purpose before Baby came back with his own GGA version . He'd die without taking power from others AND he'd die if Majuub didn't reinforce ki inside Baby's belly to keep him busy . This was just baby arc , Goku was dead against Super 17 if 18 didn't come to help cuz he still hadn't figured out the weakness , if with " major " you meant only Nouva , Eis and Syn in shadow dragons then Nouva saved him when he could kill cuz Eis asked him to , Nouva sacrificed himself to save Goku's life , Goku would die if Goten didn't save him from falling on that sharp metal and everyone didn't gave him a big power boost , he'd die again if Vegeta didn't stop him from exploding himself with Omega which most likely wouldn't work . Tf did you mean by " VegeTa aT tHe VeRy eNd " ?
Bro GT felt like it belongs more then super, but thats just me, also ss4 gogeta was the most epic moment ever when i was child, watching this weekly on toonami was an S tier memory for me.
Seth is literally the only person I know who can go from a Power scaler debates who bully dumb person for fun on stream to a person who actually understands and analyze anime better than most of his deadhard fanbase. He proves this in his Saitama Vs Goku video where he goes in-depth with Saitama vs Boros fight, he proves this in How strong Goku video with Nature Vs Nuture ideals, and now here. I’m glad Seth appreciated GT enough to go back and watch it just to make this time of video on it. And I have learned a lot from this video that I would had never thought of.
"from a Power scaler debates who bully dumb person for fun on stream" he still does this lmao go watch the saitama stream where he tells a redditor to hop off his nuts (deserved)
The negative effects of overusing the dragon balls was a cool idea, baby taking revenge on his race killers and ends up becoming what he hated the most was cool, and ssj4 goku,vegeta,and gogeta looked badass. Also goten should’ve joined them on their adventures even tho those adventures were ass.
Missed opportunity tbh when trunks and goten suggested fusion against baby and goku shot it down, I wanna see a true adult gotenks, we almost had it super hero lol
@@jwibbly That one not really since Goku was right it wouldn't do anything . But they should've done it against Super 17 since he wasn't that strong before absorbing the power .
I’ve only watch GT in Japanese and I’ve been so confused about all the hate this whole time. I watched Dragon Ball before DBZ so I wasn’t under the impression that it was supposed to be fighting all the time. For me. GT was the natural next step if you were to start from the beginning beginning. - Dragon Ball set up the characters and universe. - DBZ brought the action and drama. - GT expanded the universe and was setting up for the future. - Super brings us back to the action. - Daima feels like it will be a mixture of the two. Overall, I think the progression has been great. Alternating between the two types. And of course she got the movies and games in there that do not like to stick with the main universe lol. So being forced to make super go back in time and kind of replace GT doesn’t really phase me after the insanity of the movies. Everyone is like it’s not canon. I’m just like it makes more sense than Zelda and that’s all we can really ask of the Japanese, lol I will forever love and enjoy GT!
GT was the first anime I've ever watched. I remember when I was around 5 or 6 I would watch it on the tv with my dad. GT is just nostalgic and ssj4 and gogeta was really awesome. EDIT: I watched the sub
GT, to me, was a show that had a lot of potential to be really good and would get close to doing it! But would constantly miss the mark, time and time again.
Nah not like all the time some things like the first ssj4 introduction , that whole transformation sequence and its treatment throughout the series is just what i'd want . Awesome and impactful , all the previous ssj transformations required a saiyan to bring out their rage and let the power come out , but this time Goku had to conquer it to win , the little chain like electricity at the end of the episode as Goku screamed while turning into ssj4 with the background going red , that's some cool sh*t if i've ever seen any.
28:16 you can just argue that it has something to do with 17 asking 16 about why did he go back to human based creations despite working constantly on nothing based creations. Remember 17 was the first human-based artificial Human After 16. Which gives us a lot more reason to believe he had bigger plans for him since he wanted to change it up. Remember the Eternal energy models applies to 18 on below. So he didn't go human-based just for that. He went human based for something else which in Dragon Ball GT is Super 17.
An intro is meant to be memorable Fact that people still remember it 20 years later makes it a good OP. Guarantee you didn't even have to look up the lyrics.
This is far and away my favorite piece you've done. What a wonderfully insightful take on the show, and it doesn't feel like it's reaching at all. I'm going to go rewatch it now with a more open mind.
To me gt will forever be one of my favorite shows of all time. There's just something different about it. And it just makes gt so special to me. I guess I really love GT. People are free to their opinion so if you don't like it that's fine. But I guess I just found something I like in it. Thank you all for giving me your time.
@@CoolOkay_ I don’t think he needs the money but everyone needs money I just think it’s his new pattern. He’ll pump out 4 videos in fast succession but it probably takes like 3-4 months to do all the research and make the vids
the end, the ending is genuine and humble. Goku ascends into the hevens as one of their own for all the good he does in his life, and yet still wishes to be along side with mortals. He is worthy of saint hood or even god-like, and yet is of the most humblest.F8ggtung with a pure heart and no evil on his heart has granted him entery into Nirvana. Compared to Super where charters are just OP after OP. Gt focuses on the same univers and finds a way to tell a story without having to expand into alternate detention.
GT is one of those stories that have a special place in my heart even though they weren't generally well received, either because of the acting, the character arcs, or the overall message the story is trying to convey. Some others being the Amazing Spider-Man movies, Star Wars prequels, and Batman V Superman. Like in each of those, I wish they could have done something differently, and in the case of GT, it was the ending. It never really sat right with me how Goku basically leaves everyone behind yet again, for the final time without even saying goodbye to Chi-Chi. Imo the ending could've been made better if it was just Shenron who left before restoring Goku back to an adult. All the characters that the Dragon Balls helped in some way would join him on one last flight (with Goku on the Nimbus) until the very end before he leaves this world, and through the eyes of the audience, saying goodbye to the character that was at the heart of the series even though he didn't make many appearances.
I always got this kinda tone from gt it’s very interesting to speculate on aswell considering the original author had less of a hand in it which could have lead to more common tropes being used to close out the series
I think GT had some incredible ideas for stories especially the ones surrounding the dragonballs, and execution in some cases, but unfortunately we probably won't see them since they've already been hashed out in GT. GT will forever have deep nostalgia for me and (minus the super 17 arc if you can even call it that) I will always think back on with fond memories. Wonderful video essay on GT, couldn't have said it any better myself.
I think GT was good for what it was. I don’t think people really take into account that toriyama had almost nothing to do with Gt. Though, we still got some cool things out of it like SSj4, baby vegeta, the shadow dragon concept etc. i mean imagine having to write a new story adapted from a recently ended phenomenon of a seires for millions of fans to watch, criticize, and critique ON A WEEKLY BASIS. More importantly, fans comparing your adaption to the original series that Made them fall in love with the franchise to begin with. It’s a big task. It could have easily been way worse. Like say dbs
You tossed away anyone taking you seriously with that last line. Now everyone who reads this will think you're biased and just seething. Like a dark souls 2 fan shitting on bloodborne. Good luck coping
I think it's funny that modern Dragon Ball just wants to do GT's concepts but worse. Granolah wanting revenge on the Saiyans is just Baby but worse. And Daima turning people small, oh wonder where they got that idea from?
To be fair about the heroes not trying to reform the revived villains in the Super 17 Saga: they didn’t try to reform Baby and he would be arguably had more of a chance to reform than people like Nappa, who was in the same category of barbaric Saiyans that Baby accused all the Saiyan protagonists of.
One of the most notable and important things about Syn/Omega shenron that stood out to me is that throughout the fight he seems to be trying to break Goku's and everyone else's spirits . Other than a few points in those fights it's clear that he could've wiped everyone out in a flash if he wanted to , the reaction on Nouva not killing and " apparently , i couldn't restrain my power enough " right after starting the fight by charging ki and destroying a significant part of the city makes clear that the writers didn't somehow manage to overlook what was going on with powerscaling in all this , Syn had been restraining himself from the start . Physically it was just way too easy for him but not as much mentally , so he was trying to break them mentally before delivering the final punishment . Even later he told Goku to rest easy , " release the burden from your shoulders , pleasant feelings await you in heaven " , then Goku managed to restrain him and tried to do the final explosion technique Vegeta did on Buu , cuz he had JUST managed to catch Omega with a dragon fist and destroyed his body , and it turned out Omega could regenerate from almost nothing like Buu . " This is the only thing left i can do , if this doesn't work , then i'm sorry but you'll have to give up hope " was his inner monologue , he didn't want to count on it but he had to and was going to give it his all if Vegeta didn't stop him , the irony in Vegeta being the one who stops him though , cuz it didn't really work on Buu and Vegeta was like damn bro you really think it's gonna work ? I really like some of these scenes with Goku's stoic attitude , he admits he can't think of any way to defeat the opponent but keeps going , he said " you'll have to give up hope if this doesn't work " but you know he'd still try his best to defeat Omega if they both survived that explosion , like in baby arc he kept bluffing when he had almost no power and his body was aching just to buy some more time and think of some way to defeat Baby , the goofy moments are always awesome . Goku seems perfect for the ending of the series , i would like other characters to have some more inclusion and do more cool stuff in fights after baby arc but can't deny a bunch of character moments from this series in overall are a treat and i think they did most of the personalities that i care about well.
This is your best video in my opinion. I always thought the dragonballs being involved as the final villain is the most epic and beautiful final villain imaginable, but I never thought of them like this. Cool perspective.
Thanks ! This was a great video ! I always felt that way about GT but could never word it eloquently like this! I watched GT when the Super 5 sub was on Kazaa little time after the french translation of the DragonBall (Z) manga had ended back in 99 . It was everything I wanted and more.
On Shenron: Syn/Omega's dub was the most terrifying character to come out of Dragon Ball and that voice is one of the many reasons why. Dubbed Syn/Omega gets my vote every time, idc what the original implication is.
The way you explained GT is why I tell people it's not given the credit it deserves. when you look into the eastern philosophy it makes a lot of sense.
Honestly, the way they made Omega Shenron in the English dub fits, since he's quite literally the embodiment of combined pure evil energy. I wouldn't put it past him to wanna rip Goku's head off
This is the real true reason why fans hated Dragon Ball GT, the emotions that final episode invoked were deep and heavy. The way you knew that somewhere along the journey it was gonna end, Goku and Vegeta becoming older, Krillin aging and becoming grandparents, the set up hinted to an end. An end you knew would hurt as much as losing a loved one. So instead of accepting it, fans just rejected it. Rejected that it was over, the denial stage of grief hit us harder than most would’ve anticipated. So we chose to hate instead of appreciating it, most of us were young, 10- 17years old. So our young minds weren’t able to comprehend the thoughtfulness put into GT amazing ending to the series. Now, I see GT as a wonderful continuation of Z, invoking the emotions of cherishing the things you love closely. Reminding you even the greatest things in life can come to an end.
I honestly just found this video, I’m one that believes that GT is a great addition to the Dragon Ball story, and I know I’ll be watching more of your videos in the future! Thanks for the great video!
i always said this and always stood by this for baby and said that hes a extremely better character then the rest of the others in gt and he was more then just another villain and his motives were justified but cruppted and twisted i never would of been able to ever dive down or really word it out like this before and people always thought i was a baby tard but i felt this exact feeling towards him and knew he was just better people gave him credit for
One of the problems with GT is that Z happened. Another is that instead of *finally passing the torch* it makes Goku a kid again so he can go on adventurers, most of which just aren't that interesting.
Seth, youve just gotten better and better over the years. Love how every video is so thoughtfully parsed. Though rare these days (maybe also a good thing in some ways), always excited when i see you post a video!
I loved the ending. To this day I rewatch that ending when old pan chases after goku then the announcer give his lil soliloquy. Brings a tear to my eye every time
Great video! Very insightful. I watched it week by week and hearing the story all at once was new to me. Great stuff. I prefer this editing style over the meme one.
I'm genuinely surprised that everyone is suddenly changing their minds about GT. For years everyone continuously bashes on it, while saying that they love Super Saiyan 4, now everyone is changing their minds and saying they like and appreciate GT. I always liked GT so I'm happy for this, but I'm wondering why it took so long for people to like it now
Raditz did indeed come back. You see him at 27:04 behind Fifth Form Cooler in the background over his shoulder. What surprises me is that Broly wasn't even acknowledged aside a quick visual cameo in the background somewhere during that whole thing I remember watching a video where Broly being in the background was a thing during this GT Arc, Im pretty sure but to error is human so there's a percentage that I may be misremembering something. But yeah Raditz is part of the entourage surprisingly enough. I mean he's like the Yamcha of the Saiyan race. Personally though I always wanted Radtiz to come to the realization while fighting Goku that his brother is all the family he's got left and had a change of heart choosing family over Frieza. Because if I we're Raditz why in the hell would I remain loyal to the sadistic genocidal tyrant that wiped out my race and planet? Literally makes too much sense to just immediately show up at Kame House, turn off the transmitting signal from the scouter and lay it all out for the Z Fighters, explaining the eventual overthrowing of Frieza, and wishing Goku the mythical wish of immortality we always kept hearing about throughout the series and had a much different timeline to finagle around with. What would SSJ3 Raditz look like? Probably like cousin It from the Addams Family but with Raditz hair instead of straight.
I always thought that Baby didn't go SSJ4 there because to be SSJ4 you need to be in control while in golden Oozaru form and at the time Vegita was not in control of his body, Baby was, and that would not fufill the conditions for SSJ4.
My first experience with Super Saiyan 4 I had head canon it was the “true “ supersaiyan form of the old legend simply from the fact the tail was needed , where the forms we had known of didnt (Not that we hear a lot about the legend only being mentioned in the Namek /Freeza arc )
27:49 I actually think in all continuity, Bardock is considered evil. I mean sure, he’s probably not as evil as the majority of saiyans, but he still conquered planets and massacred alien races.
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Dragon ball super is the most trashest ever created Dragon ball Gt solos drsgon ball super by far goku is shit all of them is Shit
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Hey Seth. Do you read manhwa or LN? If so, can you scale Nirvana Jin Mori from God Of High School or LN Sung Jin Woo from Solo Levelling?
Boundless Goku really is peak fiction 😢my boy achieved Nirvana just like the original Son WuKong. I need this to happen again. It never gets old 😭
Sadly
Boundless goku will never justify bad writing.
@@giornogiovannatheultimateb8553 you talk about super?
@@tistakere5055He is
That’s when Goku can officially solo fiction.
@@UltraEgoMc 😂
Goku can't even beat black frezia let alone goku
Simply stop
Believed your favorite character is stronger
Wow this video actually made me tear up, Seth you've outdone yourself, not the typical gt bad but you actually watched the shoe and then felt emotion and conveyed it beautifully to us all.
Exactly, this is easily one of my favorite Db videos now. Instead of a review, its an actual look at GT's story for what it is and I think he got it perfectly.
This is why I love DB. Cant wait for his DBS Analysis (at least the anime)
And he watched it in Sub the funimation dub didn't give GT any justice
Agreed. I loved GT before, but I never noticed the symbolism in the first arc. I thought it was just an excuse arc to have an intergalactic adventure that ended with another Goku vs Vegeta fight.
i think i liked totallynotmark's spin on it more. a lot of gt was bad, that's undeniable, but to say it didn't have a lot of potential would be a disservice.
Man I hope you're being hyperbolic. Tearing up over a cartoon about ppl punching eachother is a lot.
GT is wildly underrated. The thing I love best about the ending is that Goku finally got the world he always wanted to see: one that isn't constantly under threat from one unstoppable force or another, where people have more or less chosen peace, and where martial arts tournaments are once more for the love of the sport rather than life-or-death battles. Goku got to see that the world finally made it to that point, and he can leave knowing that it doesn't need him or anyone like him.
There's an aspect of freedom in that to be sure; but I imagine Goku sees it more as, the earth is safe and that's what matters.
You are the first person I have ever heard say it, besides myself. GT was wonderful. The only truly annoying part was the Dancing Brothers. The music dudes. I wanted to end the show right there.
@@POTATOEMPNEven the Para Para guys make sense to me: original Dragon Ball was full of weird villains. Remember the rabbit who could turn you into a carrot? Additionally, villains whose ability is something you can't overpower with a bunch of ki, are a pretty good challenge.
@@POTATOEMPNboss Rabbit or monster carrot are his names! Sorry I just watched workaholics today for the first time in years
GT is a way better arc than Super. I absolutely love GT. It might be nostalgia, but I just prefer the power level and the stories from that era of Dragonball. And the ending was absolutely perfect. I hated that they undid all that with super.
Beautiful analysis, I'm not a big GT fan, but I give it credit for showing a good way to end the DB story.
Bro just casually dropped the best gt Analysis Ever💀
@@offthaweed7512 fair
Although I can't say that those same criticisms are unwarranted tho
Ikr bruh did i miss something i thought this man was mainly a powerscaler he's giving other reviews a run for their money with this one .
Effortlessly. Thank you
Him and Saiyan Scholar both
@@christopherford39 sayian scholar is a literal troll mate
I just love how much you love Dragonball. All these analysis, all his power scaling, all these long ass discussions, all of them come from a place of pure love and admiration for Dragonball. And I'm glad that you're sharing with us what you are getting from DB.
Nerd
Jk
Seth hates dragon ball, and he understands the power of knowing his enemy.
@@eusguri2731 What makes you say that?
@@arthurmorgan835woosh
One thing I like about GT is how it introduced real tension into the narrative without giving our heroes a cop out and made an honest attempt to explore the Universe and different Alien cultures.
No cop outs huh? So pulling your chopped off tail out of your ass with pliers to achieve SSJ4 isn’t a cop out!? That show sucks had no tension whatsoever.
@@bigmoneyshmoneymaker7697
Cope harder.
@@bigmoneyshmoneymaker7697what else please name every one i wanna see if u really watched gt
I love super but your wife's unborn 25% Saiyan being the final key for a ritual isn't much better@@bigmoneyshmoneymaker7697
GT is downright nostalgic, warm and feels more down to earth and personal than super does... dunno why it felt that way, probably because of the time I watched it for the first time...felt like a lovely innocent experience and it also has probably the most appropriate dragon ball ending one can have...
Nostalgia is the only thing going for it
Facts
@@origon4477 the whole video jus fell on your deaf ears💀
@@origon4477 sure
@@Tyrannyyy oh no its like people like different things
What I like about SS4 is that it is literally a physical mutated transformation. Just like the Great Ape form where they completely change. SS1-2 it's just a hair color change along with SS3 with just a loss of eye brows but SS4 looks like a humanoid Ape mutation and the user also appears "in control" compared to the Great Ape. It's a uniquely creative design which imo through its own appearance displays the peak of Saiyan power.
I always figured since Saiyans are a race of ape like warriors, their most powerful form should look primal
Super Sayain God is TRASH
Their pants evolve
To me Ss4 looks cooler and more design-appropriate for the saiyans than ss god or UI ….. that perfected ape form is awesome way better and more interesting than just various color hair changes
I've been saying this for YEARS.
People just don't understand the significance of the SS4 transformation.
I like to think that the shadow dragons are punishers. Wether if they spare the characters intentionally or not, they're kept alive in order to be pummeled for their sins over abusing the dragon balls. Arguibly, nobody used the dragon balls as much as the Z warriors, it's "logical" for them to suffer the most of consequences. That makes GT ending even more satisfying, while the whole gang is confronted with the mistakes they comitted, Goku also receives the ultimate redemption and is able to ascend between the realms.
Honestly the whole of GT feels kind of like a purgatory story
I know its japanese and therefore eastern and Im about to apply a western christian theme to it but it does to me feel kind of like a purgatory story of people facing their crimes and their sins and being punished (and then forgiven)
like baby is the sins of their saiyan heritage
super 17 is idk all the villains they killed instead of reformed
and the shadow dragons are their defiance of the natural order, undoing death and so on, playing god essentially
i like to thing take, they want to make people desist, like intentionally give up of the life that were given back to then.
I rewatched all of GT for nostalgias sake a few years ago and I shed a tear on the last episode. When you watch Goku absorb the dragon balls and fly away, it’s like a parent died. Cause he was the personification of hope and goodness, even though his lessons were taught and learned, he was still gone, as far as we knew.
I felt so much emotion when I bought the series at Walmart back in 2014 and saw it again.
Super dose not have that feeling ever . Lol
@@you_tube6733 Facts, the only thing that was close to that was Goku, 17, and Frieza fighting together to beat Jiren. And I appreciate the fact they had the voice actor from the Ocean dub to voice copy Vegeta.
@@omens6402 what?!? No. Not at all. Goku fighting with freiza isnt comparable to when he leaves for forever.
Good job. Great effort.
I have been avoiding GT for my whole life but the last few minutes spoiling the ending actually made me tear up and regretting not seeing it earlier.
I watched it on TV as a child, many years ago. I distinctly remember myself crying uncontrollably and being shaken for days after I watched the final episode. It's the saddest, but at the same time most beautiful thing I could possibly imagine for a Dragon Ball ending.
Part of me is happy that Super retconned this, even though I love it. It's just too heartbreaking.
That’s hilarious, I picked up watching GT again after not finishing it years ago, only got through the first season. The second I saw this video I knew I had to finish this series before I watched it in case of spoilers. Finally watched the last episode last night so now I’m finally watching this video after it’s been on hold for three weeks in my browser lol
It's a great ending, easily the best thing in GT. However, it really doesn't mean much, it's a pretty low bar.
Even in this video analisys Seth claiming that Goku is the rappresentation of Freedom really comes out of nowhere. Goku really doesn't rappresent freedom in Dragon Ball, it's a concept that makes sense only when applied to like the first chapter in the OG and MAYBE the Frieza arc, but that's really pushing it.
Goku has rappresented different concepts in DB, but those that fit him best are perseverance, determination and thrill. At moments self acceptance was the key, at other times classism was (mainly Saiyan and Frieza saga), at others it showed the importance of mentorhood (mainly Boo arc, but that arc is an absolute mess and it's completely dropped). But Freedom? Maybe in some specific spot but it really isn't character identifying trait
This felt like Seth pushing something onto the GT story.
GT is superior to super man it’s better late than never. I suggest watching it anyway because omg i love it man
@@nuredingeziqi679 Goku is a Free Spirit kinda of guy, that have always been there, he does what he wants, and likes, try to help others, and is a friendly guy, Goku is kinda like Sonic in that sense.
One of the great aspects of GT is how the power ceiling is established with Baby (SSJ4) and beyond that we just know there's not much else to do other than smart usage of the available skills and powers the sayans have at their disposal. Which makes a whole lot of sense, and leads to things feeling somewhat real and having a sense of tangibility. Because of this, there's also more unpredictability, as "getting a new form to beat new foe" isn't in the cards.
One other amazing thing are the poetic undertones of the SSJ4 resembling a monkey, referring back to Sun Wukong's journey to the west, and drawing those symbolic parallels of "Monkey VS Dragon" that nourished Dragon Ball for so long.
I wish GT had continued for one extra arc, where Piccolo would have received some sort of power up (either warrior like or sage like) and thus unravelling a final catharsis for the whole story. Possibly with Gohan as a protagonist, as he had always been meant to be the vanguard of a new, final arc that would wrap everything about the series, and set the tone for a future which would not be told (stories always have to end).
There's so much that could have been done with this narrative, but writers just love to *cheapen* everything out. In its current iteration (Super), Dragon Ball resembles a cheap western Marvel/DC shtick, which is meant to never really end, and to have characters become static, and permastuck in "their thing" (same old habits, same old personality, same old shtick, endless repetition of the same patterns for all eternity), as the stories get milked forever.
I think ending shouldn't really change and there's definitely room for a lot of this other characters shine stuff to be added in Super 17 arc , shadow dragon arc . Would be awesome if we got a remake with some this basic polishing making the series as great as dbz .
not really a power ceiling when goku later gets a bunch of power ups and doesn't even really use his powers that smart.
@@ProjektTaku watching seth rn is wild lmao but here we are
Wrong
Goku gets much stronger after the baby arc
@@KeinProblem-uv5jhhe was referring to ss4 being the peak unlike suoer where we get god, then blue, then perfected blue, or blue kaioken, then omen, Then mastered uktra instinct, than true ultra instinct
Gr had a defined final form and that was ssj4 it was the strongest form that goku could ever attain and it was only surpassed by goku when he literally trancended basically everything in the show
Love Seth's narrative analysis videos, don't always agree with his takes, but they usually make things slot together in my head in a new way. Hope he keeps making them.
What don’t you agree with him on? I think he pretty much hit the mark with pretty much every analysis
@@UltraEgoMc it's usually just opinion things, or where we'd cut certain things off.
@@xman2oo3 an opinion is nothing. Yeah. If Seth is nothing but opinionated, then his videos are futile.
A opinion does not have a shred of evidence in them. Just a thoughtless take. The appropriate way to describe Seth would be a speculator, not what you see him as.
@@neotoad456 uh... What? I literally just said that I disagree with him on occasion, that's it, not that he was bad or anything. He does really good research and makes his points really well, I'm just saying I see or interperate some parts of stories and scaling different.
@@xman2oo3 oh.. lmao. I misread your comment. I was rushing through things because I was eating lol.
This is one of the extremely few videos where a person actually gives a fair and actual good review for GT.
This wasn't the powerful ending we desired, but it's the power we needed.
😂😂😂 I see what you did there, amazing 😂
literally the best ending of the franchise
Thus ending brings tears to my eyes even in this video. Goku really does represent the child in everyone, the virtue we all want in our lives, and the person who makes others happier. It's crazy how much of a role model he has been, and how he affects me. I really want to feel like that dragon scene when I'm done here
I will never forget the opening music of Dragon Ball GT, very few openings made me genuinely feel a sense of adventure.
The original opening, right? The funimation opening made genuinely feel a sense of headache and nausea.
I know right! Love that opening....."STEP INTO THE GRAND TOUR!!!!!!!"
All the homies bursting into tears when they hear the slow ‘Dan Dan Kokoro....’
@@ta0paipai yep he means Dan Dan Kokoro, I hate that I never grew up with that one and grew up with Step into the grand tour(still liked this opening but it was meh)
@@christopherford39 I remember the Funimation advertisement on a DB dvd. "Think you know GT?" Then the most cringeworthy advert followed. I knew GT, that wasn't GT. It was then I decided I wouldn't buy another funimation dvd.
Also, the Shadow Dragon arc is quite possibly my favorite arc in Dragonball. As you alluded to, Seth, the Shadow Dragons never really seemed concerned with getting revenge for misusing the Dragon Balls, but instead to test Goku's resolve and his "worthiness" of ascension, something that is very common in Eastern mythology. Goku has a stronger connection to the Dragon Balls than anyone in the series despite all the people who coveted them above all else. The 4-star ball especially is essentially the physical manifestation of who Goku is fundamentally as a person, and their incessant use of the balls represented Goku's inability to let things go whether it be a friend's death or the idea that evil may triumph over him. But in order to defeat the Shadow Dragons, Goku had to let it go. He had to let it all go. Goku's Spirit Bomb was exactly that: his spirit, his hopes, dreams, desires, love for his friends and family, basically the very essence of himself as a mortal. When Goku let go of that Spirit Bomb and by extension all the feelings and emotions that would cause someone to seek out the Dragon Balls, he passed the test and became worthy.
Nice headcannon, lol
When trying to stop the negative karma ball, goku says that he understood the point, that he will no longer rely on the dragon balls to win, and this is where he changes.
The in-depth deconstruction and explanation between Baby and Goku, from their characters, their backgrounds, and what/who they are to the story is just immaculate. Always doing good work, Seth.
I got goosebumps when you showed the clip of omega shenron asking “who are you?” to goku. as you said shenron knows everything about goku at this point but the fact that he doesn’t recognize him anymore shows goku did have some kind of transformation or ascension in the crater
That whole scene starting from Vegeta laughing after getting thrown beside the big crater was awesome .
I kinda understood that goku died in the crater but was revived as a divine being as part of shenron
I think the ssj4 transformation and the focus on the great ape was really cool. I think it was the most raw transformation since ssj1, and I kind of wish ssj God tied into the ape forms too.
I think the idea that wishes have consequences was great, too. Contrast to super where bulma wishes for cosmetic upgrades...
I think the ending as you explained it makes sense, too. I do wish that maybe it was made a little more clear for the western audience.
Ultra Instinct kinda does, with the oozaru scream, on that first fight between Goku and Jiren, but after that, the oozaru pretty much is not even referenced properly in any of the transformations, neither super saiyan god, or blue, or beast gohan, etc... sure, Broly had a form where he uses the power of great ape in normal form, but that makes the oozaru feels less special, doesn't even feel like a reference, feels more like a lazy excuse to power up broly, it's even kinda disrespectful to the form.
@@banjo9158 also, ultra instinct isn't even a saiyan form. Just a loose reference, I guess, since great ape is their instinct
@@andrewp979 including the following manga in the granolah arc that Whis wanted Goku find his own instinct and he kinda did after he remembered about his parents.
@@banjo9158 brolly movie shows that he goes full ozaru in sayan normal form, he is the closest thing from a ssj4 in super
@@PauloAnnunaki ssj4 is more than just oozaru or golden oozaru power in normal form, he is much more powerful and seens like almost an evolutionary state of the saiyans.
Thank you, Sir.
SS eating after this one fr!
Very intriguing. I haven't seen anyone look at the series this deeply. It's far fuller and more well-rounded than I gave it credit for, in spite of its flaws.
This gave me much to consider. Thank-you...
Saiyan scholar has multiple GT videos and said the same thing about the ending.
Dude. I am in awe. What a video. I always knew GT was something special and no one ever seemed to like it. You gave it what it deserved. Thank you!
As a GT fan I adore this video, simply a banger. I really hope it pops off like that Goku video and that you do more narrative analyses in the future.
If nothing else SS4 looks really cool and I want to see them adapt it for Super.
I’d love it as a transformation exclusive to the legendary super saiyans. If they don’t wanna just pass it out to everyone since vegeta and Goku have kinda moved past saiyan transformations.
Honestly Broly deserves that form, I mean his Ikari form already has the golden eyes that a Ssj4 has, so they could include it and make it canon
What? It looks goofy as hell
Nope keep in trash where trash belongs
@@tylerlackey1175 dude it's one of the best looking forms
Got Damn this was well Done… I love GT I don’t get so much hate. But then you go and point out all the main things that are positive about it! New Sub here!
Entire theory of Syn trying to purify Goku would've been confirmed if Syn died with smile on his face knowing that he did his mission.
Unless Syn was actually unaware of what he's doing. Entire final battle Syn was like evil version of Goku, letting his opponents power up, holding back, actually trying to stop enemy when he realises they're about to turn into something much stronger.
Theory that Syn couldn't hurt Goku at the end also makes a lot of sense. Syn's abilities were using Evil and negativity. Goku at the time of throwing genki had zero evil in him, so Syn couldn't hurt him at all.
02:07 finally someone who understands what the real issue is. GT was so good to the point where DBS started reusing concepts from it.
Goku Black is a copy paste of Baby Vegeta. Baby hates saiyans, takes over a saiyan body and tries to destroy all saiyans, in the same way Black hates mortals, takes the body of a mortal, and tries to kill all mortals.
All UI Goku is a copy paste of Goku dodging Omega Shenron's attacks while being blind.
2 of the most enjoyed concepts from DBS are LITERALLY taken from GT and people still try to downplay how great GT was.
Hating saiyans isn't even original by baby, being immortal and killing every person isn't even original by baby.
Goku's heightened senses making him able to dodge is UI? You just see the dodging and assume "Yeah! Ssj4 is the original!". You guys trying to hype GT in the worst ways. Actually praise its good aspects without looking like a sheep copy and pasting the dumbest arguments.
@@lordraiden7397 what exactly is the difference between SSJ4 Goku dodging blind and UI Goku dodging with his eyes closed?
Can you enlighten me, because for me they sound the exact same concept but just implemented differently......
@@EonOfDestruction SSJ4's heightened sense is portrayed as just heightened sense. Despite being blind, he can move as if he isn't. UI makes him react and perform feats without him trying to think or fully act. Him dodging syn shenron is just meant to show how much powerful he is when he's at full power.
@@lordraiden7397 while I agree that hating saiyans wasn't original to Baby, you can't disagree on the fact that stealing a saiyan body to destroy them using it was original to him
Therefore, Goku Black stealing a mortal body and using it to kill mortals is still a copy-paste of Baby Vegeta.
@@ultraegovegito7702 Uhm? Majin buu took the bodies of the strongest warriors to be the most dangerous. Cell copied literally is also one who absorbed and copied. People hating saiyans ain't even new dawg. You're giving baby too much credit.
I don’t think it’s weird at all to think Vegeta loves Goku. He’s the brother he never had.
Except for all of the other brothers they invented up later.
This man managed to make me feel new found respect for syn shenron
Ik! Haven't seen the subbed but I already knew subbed versions add different context but I had no idea dubbed changed it THAT much
even at the end in dubbed, shenron says "are you coming?" to goku which makes it feel like they made a deal in secret to everyone. In original, he simply states to goku "It's time to go". Changes that scene completely@@louiuzi4036
@@louiuzi4036this is why you should always watch anime in Japanese before criticizing it especially 90’s anime because of horrible dubbing back then
To me, ssj4 is still the coolest super saiyan. Even with all the new stuff.
I love how you didn't try to insert your own opinion about the show's overall quality at the end but instead opted to close out your thesis on finding freedom with an analysis of how Goku, his friends, and his loved ones were able to obtain freedom through his life pursuit and spiritual ascension. It was a very lovely sign-off to the video and made me look at GT a bit differently. Really well done.
I appreciate this guys reviews because he doesn’t just edit clips from every single episode and just slap over a recording of a basic critique with big words.
You talking about Totally Not Mark?
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@@cachalote8311 tehe 🤭
@@mug281 HAHAHAHAH
And don't forget missing the point 90% of the time
I hope this vid gets the views it deserves. Seth beautifully explains all the nuances and story elements we never understood that made most wrongly hate GT. Also the GT music always brings tears of joy to my eyes
DragonBall GT Japanese Opening is great.
The dub problem is actually pretty prevalent. It seems most of the time the Japanese writing is adult and mature and then the people who translate it turn it into a mockery
Yeah, and they always add some eDgY or goofy ass music over it. Compare the infamous "Jelly Doughnut" scene from Pokemon vs the subbed counterpart, and you'll see what I mean instantly.
Hell, they even do that with the Syn Shenron thing, because God FORBID Shenron's (dub only) threat is said over ambient wind, right?
@@borby4584 fr
@@borby4584 so Shenron is kinda like Thanos?
I love the DBZ movies, but I watched them in their Portuguese (PT) dub. When i watched them on Funimation i had to turn off the english dub and just put the Japanese version on. They add shitty music, the translation is off, it's horrible.
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Something that makes me happy is that GT is recently getting more praised and analyzed deeply, instead of being harshly judged as the black sheep of the DB franchise, it's actually a good show and I will fight people over it, yes it has its flaws (just like Z and DEFINITELY like Super) but that ending to me it's one of the best things ever done with the name DB in it. It's not just a Disney type of ending and they lived happily ever after...it's actually a deep and profound ending that no one exactly know til this day what it means.
This, though I do wish they focused more on a lot of concepts and gave more character development. I'd love to see more of Pan actively becoming the new protagonist, but still being far behind the heights Goku and Co are at. What I originally wanted Boruto to be tbh. Naruto being the guy for the big threats and being a path Boruto can choose to follow and he chooses it and gets powerful, but through his development starts to go his own route. That's what Pan should be.
Longtime DBGT fans proudly singing Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku. 🥹
I still think super is way worse than gt
@@jayceallen6530 any person with a brain can tell you that
Lmao you’re nuts
23:20 the way you described the reason why vegeta looks up to goku was so beautiful. Omg almost teared up.
This video made me appreciate Dragonball GT more than ever before. Thank you, Seth-sama.
Honestly, I want to rewatch this series having watched your review
I would have liked GT continuity to continue, with them having to make do without goku, but him just being there to watch over them and giving them advice secretly whenever they needed it. If he was going to show up later it should really only be because something at his level came down to mess with the living world and there was absolutely no choice, or he could push someone else in person to meet that level of power.
Yeah , Goku should like be a legend if gt does get a sequel, a figure like a myth like son wu Kong , just a thought
So just more Goku Jr.
Vegeta would then become the protagonist of the series.
@@Fuckyoutubecensorship1 W
I would rather it becomes an group thing with vegeta taking on the mentor role to get everyone one in shape since they all need to step up without goku around. If we go with goku jr, it would be a good way to create a new dynamic with the rebuilding of the Z team and new dynamic between goku's and vegeta's family.
This are very well done analysis and definitely gives the entire franchise more meaning and depth, even more than other animes
That ending of your video just drops hard, feel like something is missing. Great video
I was a little concerned going into this video thinking you were just going to crap on gt for 40 minutes but no you have an excellent analysis/review of gt that surprisingly was very positive, and me as one of the biggest gt fans on earth I can say I am very happy with your video. Thank you for making this Seth. We gt fans appreciate it.
sincerely, thank you for making this, and bravo. not only is it a necessary venture in opening people's eyes to the true quality of GT, but many things you brought up display a level of insight many (myself included) could never hope to match.
You're cringy
@@absolutelyfookinnobody2843 okay.
“The true quality” The truth is that GT is a generally awful story. Pacing is garbage, many boring and underwhelming story beats, character development is pretty much nonexistent for most characters, no one outside of Goku (and Vegeta at the very end) contributes anything relevant to the major fights, and a good portion of the fights are choreographed really poorly. It’s not pure trash, but it seems that most people’s distaste for Super has promoted this idea that GT is good because it’s not DBS when the reality is that they both suck for different reasons.
@@Watermelon_Man I watched it before super and i've liked it since then . Lol .
Yeah i also wanted Vegeta and other characters to get more cool scenes in fights , but you don't have to make such a misinformed statement just because you're pissed , " nobody contributes anything relevant to major fights " . Dude , Goku would've died against Baby Vegeta in his first fight if Supreme kai didn't save him , literally Old kai is the reason ssj4 even became possible , Goku would die again in golden great ape if Pan didn't help him remember his purpose before Baby came back with his own GGA version . He'd die without taking power from others AND he'd die if Majuub didn't reinforce ki inside Baby's belly to keep him busy . This was just baby arc , Goku was dead against Super 17 if 18 didn't come to help cuz he still hadn't figured out the weakness , if with " major " you meant only Nouva , Eis and Syn in shadow dragons then Nouva saved him when he could kill cuz Eis asked him to , Nouva sacrificed himself to save Goku's life , Goku would die if Goten didn't save him from falling on that sharp metal and everyone didn't gave him a big power boost , he'd die again if Vegeta didn't stop him from exploding himself with Omega which most likely wouldn't work . Tf did you mean by " VegeTa aT tHe VeRy eNd " ?
Bro GT felt like it belongs more then super, but thats just me, also ss4 gogeta was the most epic moment ever when i was child, watching this weekly on toonami was an S tier memory for me.
Seth is literally the only person I know who can go from a Power scaler debates who bully dumb person for fun on stream to a person who actually understands and analyze anime better than most of his deadhard fanbase. He proves this in his Saitama Vs Goku video where he goes in-depth with Saitama vs Boros fight, he proves this in How strong Goku video with Nature Vs Nuture ideals, and now here. I’m glad Seth appreciated GT enough to go back and watch it just to make this time of video on it. And I have learned a lot from this video that I would had never thought of.
Seth has gone through a character arc for the past several years, for real.
"from a Power scaler debates who bully dumb person for fun on stream"
he still does this lmao go watch the saitama stream where he tells a redditor to hop off his nuts (deserved)
he's the realest db tuber
@@paul_particularlyunhappynut I never said he change, I'm implying that he can act two different ways by turning it on or off like a switch.
@@onehitwonders7729 Okay fair enough. The duality of man
The negative effects of overusing the dragon balls was a cool idea, baby taking revenge on his race killers and ends up becoming what he hated the most was cool, and ssj4 goku,vegeta,and gogeta looked badass. Also goten should’ve joined them on their adventures even tho those adventures were ass.
Missed opportunity tbh when trunks and goten suggested fusion against baby and goku shot it down, I wanna see a true adult gotenks, we almost had it super hero lol
@@jwibbly That one not really since Goku was right it wouldn't do anything . But they should've done it against Super 17 since he wasn't that strong before absorbing the power .
I’ve only watch GT in Japanese and I’ve been so confused about all the hate this whole time.
I watched Dragon Ball before DBZ so I wasn’t under the impression that it was supposed to be fighting all the time. For me. GT was the natural next step if you were to start from the beginning beginning.
- Dragon Ball set up the characters and universe.
- DBZ brought the action and drama.
- GT expanded the universe and was setting up for the future.
- Super brings us back to the action.
- Daima feels like it will be a mixture of the two.
Overall, I think the progression has been great. Alternating between the two types.
And of course she got the movies and games in there that do not like to stick with the main universe lol. So being forced to make super go back in time and kind of replace GT doesn’t really phase me after the insanity of the movies.
Everyone is like it’s not canon. I’m just like it makes more sense than Zelda and that’s all we can really ask of the Japanese, lol
I will forever love and enjoy GT!
GT was the first anime I've ever watched. I remember when I was around 5 or 6 I would watch it on the tv with my dad. GT is just nostalgic and ssj4 and gogeta was really awesome.
EDIT: I watched the sub
Sub is the only way to watch it
GT, to me, was a show that had a lot of potential to be really good and would get close to doing it! But would constantly miss the mark, time and time again.
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That's GT to everyone, not that special of an opinion.
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Nah not like all the time some things like the first ssj4 introduction , that whole transformation sequence and its treatment throughout the series is just what i'd want . Awesome and impactful , all the previous ssj transformations required a saiyan to bring out their rage and let the power come out , but this time Goku had to conquer it to win , the little chain like electricity at the end of the episode as Goku screamed while turning into ssj4 with the background going red , that's some cool sh*t if i've ever seen any.
Freakin love GT. Extremely nostalgic as well
Excellent analysis, Seth. The quality of your videos has come a long way.
28:16 you can just argue that it has something to do with 17 asking 16 about why did he go back to human based creations despite working constantly on nothing based creations. Remember 17 was the first human-based artificial Human After 16. Which gives us a lot more reason to believe he had bigger plans for him since he wanted to change it up. Remember the Eternal energy models applies to 18 on below. So he didn't go human-based just for that. He went human based for something else which in Dragon Ball GT is Super 17.
Better voice actors. Better animation. Better than Super.
*Step into the grand tour, A brand new adventure begins, Another challenge for Goku and his friends*
I know the Rap intro is bad, but I still have nostalgia for it
AUUUUUUUUUUUU AHHHHHHHHH
An intro is meant to be memorable Fact that people still remember it 20 years later makes it a good OP. Guarantee you didn't even have to look up the lyrics.
@@FibaFanatic ehhhhh I double checked to make sure my knowledge was factual, which it was.
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 who said it was bad? It’s no sad Guts theme but it’s okay😅
This is far and away my favorite piece you've done. What a wonderfully insightful take on the show, and it doesn't feel like it's reaching at all. I'm going to go rewatch it now with a more open mind.
Super contradicted the epilogue of Z so much that Gt is technically more canon
correct
To me gt will forever be one of my favorite shows of all time. There's just something different about it. And it just makes gt so special to me. I guess I really love GT. People are free to their opinion so if you don't like it that's fine. But I guess I just found something I like in it. Thank you all for giving me your time.
My boy you could’ve just said “I like gy”
@@rhay2597 that's what they said, are you blind
@@theoldhermit2601 he made it 5 times longer. Are you blind?
@@Aziz.500 who cares
This comment is Pissig me off I’m kissing and pissing mueeeh
Seth, you have been on fire recently with these videos. Really well done. : )
@@CoolOkay_ I don’t think he needs the money but everyone needs money I just think it’s his new pattern. He’ll pump out 4 videos in fast succession but it probably takes like 3-4 months to do all the research and make the vids
Seth is pretty goated
the end, the ending is genuine and humble. Goku ascends into the hevens as one of their own for all the good he does in his life, and yet still wishes to be along side with mortals. He is worthy of saint hood or even god-like, and yet is of the most humblest.F8ggtung with a pure heart and no evil on his heart has granted him entery into Nirvana. Compared to Super where charters are just OP after OP. Gt focuses on the same univers and finds a way to tell a story without having to expand into alternate detention.
GT is one of those stories that have a special place in my heart even though they weren't generally well received, either because of the acting, the character arcs, or the overall message the story is trying to convey. Some others being the Amazing Spider-Man movies, Star Wars prequels, and Batman V Superman.
Like in each of those, I wish they could have done something differently, and in the case of GT, it was the ending. It never really sat right with me how Goku basically leaves everyone behind yet again, for the final time without even saying goodbye to Chi-Chi. Imo the ending could've been made better if it was just Shenron who left before restoring Goku back to an adult.
All the characters that the Dragon Balls helped in some way would join him on one last flight (with Goku on the Nimbus) until the very end before he leaves this world, and through the eyes of the audience, saying goodbye to the character that was at the heart of the series even though he didn't make many appearances.
I always got this kinda tone from gt it’s very interesting to speculate on aswell considering the original author had less of a hand in it which could have lead to more common tropes being used to close out the series
GT definitely isn't the best written piece of dragon ball media but what's worse is that super is arguably worse somehow
I think GT had some incredible ideas for stories especially the ones surrounding the dragonballs, and execution in some cases, but unfortunately we probably won't see them since they've already been hashed out in GT. GT will forever have deep nostalgia for me and (minus the super 17 arc if you can even call it that) I will always think back on with fond memories. Wonderful video essay on GT, couldn't have said it any better myself.
I think GT was good for what it was. I don’t think people really take into account that toriyama had almost nothing to do with Gt. Though, we still got some cool things out of it like SSj4, baby vegeta, the shadow dragon concept etc. i mean imagine having to write a new story adapted from a recently ended phenomenon of a seires for millions of fans to watch, criticize, and critique ON A WEEKLY BASIS. More importantly, fans comparing your adaption to the original series that Made them fall in love with the franchise to begin with. It’s a big task. It could have easily been way worse. Like say dbs
Conceptually GT far trounces and craps on Super, Ssj4 has such a badass and menacing style that color swap ssj forms don't compare
He did but got some point
You tossed away anyone taking you seriously with that last line. Now everyone who reads this will think you're biased and just seething. Like a dark souls 2 fan shitting on bloodborne. Good luck coping
Dbs > gt it's not even close
@@JACQUEZ23 dbs>gt in power yes
Dbs=
I think it's funny that modern Dragon Ball just wants to do GT's concepts but worse.
Granolah wanting revenge on the Saiyans is just Baby but worse.
And Daima turning people small, oh wonder where they got that idea from?
To be fair about the heroes not trying to reform the revived villains in the Super 17 Saga: they didn’t try to reform Baby and he would be arguably had more of a chance to reform than people like Nappa, who was in the same category of barbaric Saiyans that Baby accused all the Saiyan protagonists of.
One of the most notable and important things about Syn/Omega shenron that stood out to me is that throughout the fight he seems to be trying to break Goku's and everyone else's spirits .
Other than a few points in those fights it's clear that he could've wiped everyone out in a flash if he wanted to , the reaction on Nouva not killing and " apparently , i couldn't restrain my power enough " right after starting the fight by charging ki and destroying a significant part of the city makes clear that the writers didn't somehow manage to overlook what was going on with powerscaling in all this , Syn had been restraining himself from the start . Physically it was just way too easy for him but not as much mentally , so he was trying to break them mentally before delivering the final punishment . Even later he told Goku to rest easy , " release the burden from your shoulders , pleasant feelings await you in heaven " , then Goku managed to restrain him and tried to do the final explosion technique Vegeta did on Buu , cuz he had JUST managed to catch Omega with a dragon fist and destroyed his body , and it turned out Omega could regenerate from almost nothing like Buu . " This is the only thing left i can do , if this doesn't work , then i'm sorry but you'll have to give up hope " was his inner monologue , he didn't want to count on it but he had to and was going to give it his all if Vegeta didn't stop him , the irony in Vegeta being the one who stops him though , cuz it didn't really work on Buu and Vegeta was like damn bro you really think it's gonna work ?
I really like some of these scenes with Goku's stoic attitude , he admits he can't think of any way to defeat the opponent but keeps going , he said " you'll have to give up hope if this doesn't work " but you know he'd still try his best to defeat Omega if they both survived that explosion , like in baby arc he kept bluffing when he had almost no power and his body was aching just to buy some more time and think of some way to defeat Baby , the goofy moments are always awesome . Goku seems perfect for the ending of the series , i would like other characters to have some more inclusion and do more cool stuff in fights after baby arc but can't deny a bunch of character moments from this series in overall are a treat and i think they did most of the personalities that i care about well.
I never knew there was hate on GT until recently, it was one of my favorites growing up. Great video
This is your best video in my opinion. I always thought the dragonballs being involved as the final villain is the most epic and beautiful final villain imaginable, but I never thought of them like this. Cool perspective.
Thanks ! This was a great video ! I always felt that way about GT but could never word it eloquently like this! I watched GT when the Super 5 sub was on Kazaa little time after the french translation of the DragonBall (Z) manga had ended back in 99 . It was everything I wanted and more.
On Shenron: Syn/Omega's dub was the most terrifying character to come out of Dragon Ball and that voice is one of the many reasons why. Dubbed Syn/Omega gets my vote every time, idc what the original implication is.
The way you explained GT is why I tell people it's not given the credit it deserves. when you look into the eastern philosophy it makes a lot of sense.
I live in the West and I'm black, don't really care bout their philosophies
Honestly, the way they made Omega Shenron in the English dub fits, since he's quite literally the embodiment of combined pure evil energy. I wouldn't put it past him to wanna rip Goku's head off
This is the real true reason why fans hated Dragon Ball GT, the emotions that final episode invoked were deep and heavy. The way you knew that somewhere along the journey it was gonna end, Goku and Vegeta becoming older, Krillin aging and becoming grandparents, the set up hinted to an end. An end you knew would hurt as much as losing a loved one. So instead of accepting it, fans just rejected it. Rejected that it was over, the denial stage of grief hit us harder than most would’ve anticipated. So we chose to hate instead of appreciating it, most of us were young, 10- 17years old. So our young minds weren’t able to comprehend the thoughtfulness put into GT amazing ending to the series. Now, I see GT as a wonderful continuation of Z, invoking the emotions of cherishing the things you love closely. Reminding you even the greatest things in life can come to an end.
did you.. did you just convince me GT is good??
Always has been
Sorry had to do it fornthe meme but yeah i alway thought it was good
It is good like a lot of stuff about Dragon Ball at the time. I think the movies still hold up very well by Dragon Ball standards.
it was never bad, most people hate it because the dub is utter trash. There’s a reason it’s not as hated in japan
because you're a sheep follower.
I honestly just found this video, I’m one that believes that GT is a great addition to the Dragon Ball story, and I know I’ll be watching more of your videos in the future! Thanks for the great video!
i always said this and always stood by this for baby and said that hes a extremely better character then the rest of the others in gt and he was more then just another villain and his motives were justified but cruppted and twisted i never would of been able to ever dive down or really word it out like this before and people always thought i was a baby tard but i felt this exact feeling towards him and knew he was just better people gave him credit for
One of the problems with GT is that Z happened. Another is that instead of *finally passing the torch* it makes Goku a kid again so he can go on adventurers, most of which just aren't that interesting.
Seth, youve just gotten better and better over the years. Love how every video is so thoughtfully parsed. Though rare these days (maybe also a good thing in some ways), always excited when i see you post a video!
this did not age well
@@lancemodar hahaha no it did not. I guess we found out why his videos were good
I loved the ending. To this day I rewatch that ending when old pan chases after goku then the announcer give his lil soliloquy. Brings a tear to my eye every time
What a Beautiful story. Well done with the analysis!
The end of GT makes me cry every time I see it, but it just feels like that was the best way for it all to end.
Great video! Very insightful. I watched it week by week and hearing the story all at once was new to me. Great stuff. I prefer this editing style over the meme one.
I'm genuinely surprised that everyone is suddenly changing their minds about GT. For years everyone continuously bashes on it, while saying that they love Super Saiyan 4, now everyone is changing their minds and saying they like and appreciate GT. I always liked GT so I'm happy for this, but I'm wondering why it took so long for people to like it now
Raditz did indeed come back. You see him at 27:04 behind Fifth Form Cooler in the background over his shoulder.
What surprises me is that Broly wasn't even acknowledged aside a quick visual cameo in the background somewhere during that whole thing I remember watching a video where Broly being in the background was a thing during this GT Arc, Im pretty sure but to error is human so there's a percentage that I may be misremembering something.
But yeah Raditz is part of the entourage surprisingly enough. I mean he's like the Yamcha of the Saiyan race.
Personally though I always wanted Radtiz to come to the realization while fighting Goku that his brother is all the family he's got left and had a change of heart choosing family over Frieza. Because if I we're Raditz why in the hell would I remain loyal to the sadistic genocidal tyrant that wiped out my race and planet? Literally makes too much sense to just immediately show up at Kame House, turn off the transmitting signal from the scouter and lay it all out for the Z Fighters, explaining the eventual overthrowing of Frieza, and wishing Goku the mythical wish of immortality we always kept hearing about throughout the series and had a much different timeline to finagle around with. What would SSJ3 Raditz look like? Probably like cousin It from the Addams Family but with Raditz hair instead of straight.
Thank you Seth, for another quality video. Seriously, what an incredible work you do and a great topic.
Rest in peace, Akira Toriyama.
Toriyama didnt work on GT
I always thought that Baby didn't go SSJ4 there because to be SSJ4 you need to be in control while in golden Oozaru form and at the time Vegita was not in control of his body, Baby was, and that would not fufill the conditions for SSJ4.
I also thought that would have made more sense!
Why is no one talking about about how consistent Seth is posting and there all good and fun vids to watch keep up the good work
27:55 you can see Raditz in the upper left corner behind Cooler, it's not too clear, but it's definitely him and at least he appeared on one frame.
Good spot!
My first experience with Super Saiyan 4 I had head canon it was the “true “ supersaiyan form of the old legend simply from the fact the tail was needed , where the forms we had known of didnt
(Not that we hear a lot about the legend only being mentioned in the Namek /Freeza arc )
Same
Great job you put a lot of work into this project it deserves 100k likes 👍🏿.
Gt is the most nostalgic piece of dragon ball art for me. It’s the most classic artstyle, plus the SSj4 theme is so beautiful.
27:49 I actually think in all continuity, Bardock is considered evil. I mean sure, he’s probably not as evil as the majority of saiyans, but he still conquered planets and massacred alien races.
Gt is better than super
I actually love your take on it and the story. It's a nice and easy way to take it
Very good analysis. GT is honestly so underappreciated.