@@AdeloctissZeg Because the SCP characters are still scalable to other characters in other universes. I happen to be a fan of Dragonball. In fact, it is my favorite anime of all time. I also enjoy SCP among many other storys including unique stories I created myself.
Great video man. Loved the Arale effect you did to introduce her. Crazy to think how much an old gag character can shake up the scaling for DB after so long.
@@zodiac5790 nah it’s only a little bit stronger than ssj3 and he can barley lift a building the same person that was able to lift the z sword which is the weight of 2 Jupiter size planets
@@TheSuperGooberEoZ has to be rewritten. After Super Hero, it's basically at the 10 year time skip. BOG was four years after Buu, and the rest of Super and the movies take a few years too. You can track Super by Pans age. If Bulma claimed to have not seen Goku in five years and Vegeta is back living at home. The last ten years of new content just can't fit into the previous ending
@@richborn6700to be honest considering the fact that the last time Bulma had seen Goku is when Goku and Vegeywere about to leave to travel to granolah's planet , which is stated to be around age 781, where's the end of z stated to take place around age 784, three years before Goku met Bulma again. So the only thing that is gonna retcon is the age meeting between Goku and Bulma and possibly her age(although this could be fixed as like the first guy said) Plus if toriyama says it's canon to the end of z, then it is canon, he's the literal author and creator
Toriyama always said he wanted their base forms to be their ultimate forms, hence SsjG looking almost base form aside from the red hair. The ending of DBZ with Goku in the same gi as original DB and in base form only is a foreshadowing of this I believe. It would be really cool to see the saiyans really break the requirement for new, stupid scaling forms
I'm all for the writers forgetting about the old ending with Goku leaving everyone with Uub. They stepped on there own toes by ending Z like that in my opinion.
So now it's confirmed by large RUclipsrs that Son Goku is high hyper - outer now. Glad to know that power-scaling RUclipsrs are making a change in Son Goku's scaling.
This is amazing. End of Z Goku was always the strongest version in my eye, and I have been wanting Super not to retcon that. Your explanation and theories just makes me so, so happy. I'm hyped for End of Z in Super now. This is my new personal headcanon.
Crazy thing is Goku Black might’ve killed Future Arale when he started life wiping the timeline. If Black didn’t/couldn’t do it then Infinite Zamasu likely destroyed her along with the rest of humanity. And if that didn’t do it then Zeno most definitely did
@@TheUncivilizedNation ngl Penguin Village existing in the background while all this is happening is a huge plot hole. You mention Goku Black but the original future timeline is the same issue. Penguin Village would've heard of the Cell Games too, plus they could've taken care of the Majin Buu crisis easily, and so on
I wonder if it's possible that Goku's dream was about finding another fighter with that much potential but little experience? If I was the writer, that's the angle I'd take it. I wonder if Uub would train with Broly...
Nice video. Never really thought of this scaling even for Goku. Wonder how a composite Goku involving all of GT, Super and Heroes’ abilities would be in terms of strength. Good editing with the Arale part too. Also, I do want to say character-wise, Frieza did start to understand Goku’s feelings as if he didn’t he would’ve just blown up Namek and Goku called him out on it. There’s also Piccolo (Jr.) Vegeta and Cell who also, to some extent, understand Goku’s feelings (at least in terms of combat) so I think that Daizenshuu 2 statement that “Goku’s feelings are only understood by his fellow strongest” is more of a general line referring to his strongest foes. But that’s just my opinion. Good vid overall 👍
i was under the impression that "his fellow strongest" might be referring to vegeta, who seemed to understand goku more in the buu arc, whereas he was "only" a rival before that arc and didn't fully understand goku (which in a way led to him being majinized)
If gt were Canon and it truly took place after the events of super by reasoning of end of z coming, then it would make sense that gokus body in ssj4 would be able to move on its own and also compensate for the next round after being hit by a technique. Plus we really need a Canon wrap up to the loose end of goku and vegeta losing their tails, which is a big source of their true saiyan potential. I could imagine goku gaining his tail back somehow then combining his saiyan pride to create his own personal mastery over ultra instinct to create the og ssj5 look. Vegeta with ssj4 and ultra ego would also work very well. The thing I found interesting is that gokus ssj4 form, basically allowed him to have unlimited potential, when he fought syn shenron, he absorbed a huge portion of saiyan power from. Gohan, trunks and goten and called it ultra full power saiyan 4, to do that he had to surpass his bodily limits to the point it could have killed him but it didn't. So super needs to have them get their tails back, at the moment they are incomplete saiyans trying to learn div techniques without their full potential available to them. And heroes is another animal entirely but it was awesome seeing so many different combinations and forms we never thought we'd see from toei officially. The fact ssj4 LB goku could fight head to head against omen CC goku with just brute force and speed shows he's beyond anything in power we saw in the top. (Obvious I know but I'm just trying to point out, toei owns db iirc, these may be ideas they want to see if and when super ever returns or maybe daima will start to show evolutions for them in a different way)
@@CrispyCousy Is it selfish to not want to deal with people we've come to trust get accused every god damn day? Cause I don't know about you, but I'm quite tired of the accusations tossed around on Twitter, discord, reddit, and other such sites every day, false or otherwise. I mean the amount of people who've been accused as pedophiles is enough to tick me off, from Revie way back then to Ninjamuffin now, it's all so tiresome. I just want to enjoy the distractions I have, and I'm happy Seth is back to making videos. I want people to stop, but I know they're not going to, and there's jack shit I can do about it. I'll just enjoy what I can before it's gone for good.
@@CrispyCousy Maybe I'm a bit more forgiving than the average person, but Seth admitted and apologized for what he did. As well as the fact that some people were going out of their way to make him seem worse than he actually was instead of covering the topic and then cutting ties with him. It's been god knows how long since the last controversy, and by now I'm fairly certain seth has learnt and grown as a person. Others like Kinger's VA, Revie and Ninjamuffin were either falsely accused and/or have done nothing wrong and people are just stirring shit up to get them in hot water. Frankly, I'd rather NOT live a life where almost everyone is a hot piece of shit or is accused to be one, and that's not the life I'm getting, so I'm just going to forgive and forget when someone has shown their willingness to change and grow, rather than banish any and all who even remotely do anything wrong. It's fucked up, cruel, and frankly disheartening. I'm not saying Seth shouldn't have been punished for what he did, that much is true, but I'm willing to see past the mistakes and the drama's and give people the chance to turn things around, something Seth has been trying to do for a while and has only recently come back because of it.
What I really want is for them to redo the GT time period in canon but this time really focus on Goku as a mentor to Uub and Pan, with Uub and Pan being the protagonists and having Goku train them to become his successors.
Most of GT is poorly written garbage, but it does have a lot of really cool character designs and individual plot elements. I'd like to see it reimagined, unbound from the original writing. A good place to start would be for Goku to not be turned back into a kid, and for Goten to take his place in the ship, along with Uub. That would make it a pretty good "next generation" series starring Goten, Trunks, Pan, and Uub. Lots of potential for cool stuff to happen like Super Saiyan Pan, Super Saiyan 4 Goten and Trunks, etc. The whole Black Star Balls thing would need to be altered too if Goku's not being reverted back to a kid, but that's not really too difficult. Just have Pilaf accidentally wish for something else instead.
I think eventually they might go that direction in a way, i wanna see it done much differently as well, though instead of Goku SSJ4 make Broly go SSJ4 since he has the ozaru form in him
😊 look as I've enjoyed the new people who have arrived to do power scaling and as I hope Seth has healed and hopefully came back a better person I'm either way glad that he's dropping videos
Hopefully he doesn't delete this because this won't get as many views as it would have prior to drama if he uploads consistently i think he can reach where he was and even further beyond
That would be boring, I still like seeing transformations and stuff. Maybe he goes back to early Z where he only uses the kaioken technique which would be cool
@@Lux77899 once Goku black and zamasu become primordial zamasu and envelope the earth he kills every living being on the planet mate, which would include aralle (trunks confirms it when he says every life he could sense before is gone)
@toonamis2639 arale is an android, im supposing he cant sense her, but well since thats infinite zamasu we can actually assume that he beat her and that could justify why zeno had to appear, plus a mere beerus hakai deleted that one guy, so im just assuming that zamasu got so strong that he could bypass her toonforce,this going by hack nullification theory
@@Cannabeknowny’all been on his meat for the longest. And the funniest shit is you gonna keep watching his videos loser 🤡🤔🤣💪🏼 Shoutout my son Seth real ones KNOW.
This video just made me realize how they made a huge mess of "canon" to such extent that the entire concept of "canon" doesnt even apply to Dragon ball at all. Arale existing in the dragon ball "canon" and GT characters appearing in the Dr slump manga. The DBZ movies being stated to be alternate worlds when the main story of Dragon ball is literally a alternative timeline. DBS movies, anime and mangas literally not being in the same timeline.
Seeing you recover from previous issues you had is a blessing. Peace to you. Please take care and never stop uploading PEAK CONTENT. you're the goat. Thank you!
As for the 5 years thing when was the last time goku and bulma have actually been on panel together i feel like broly was the last true time, they didn’t in moro, granolah or superhero so i think that statement still applies
Actually no that's not right,that's not ki, its genki, something similar but still different, genki is as big as the power is because genki in dragon ball is normally someone's life energy, for future reference Ki = energy Genki = life energy And an obscure one Yuuki = determination or bravery (used by gohan when he didn't believe in himself while fighting sp cell) And there's other types of ki that toriyama hasn't explained, but tbf he hasn't elaborated on a lot so 🤷
Found a better explanation from kanzenshuu " “ki” also includes such spiritual power as energy/vigor [genki] and bravery [yuuki], and being in one’s right mind [shouki; could also be translated as "true character"] (note 11). There’s a limit to physical strength, no matter how much you toughen it up, and the only way to overcome that it is with “ki”."
Whats is weird about zeno being omniscient and omnipresent. Is that instead of him being 1 being in every timeline he has a past and future self. Spawning a second zeno for the tournament of power. Unless hes one being and purposely split his self among infinite timelines.
Timelines are alteranate multiverses dragonball each having different stories.Also we know nothing about zeno true power ,so we cannot just assume he capped at timelines .
dude, Arale has god tier reality manipulating abilities based on what she can do alone she’s guaranteed to be the strongest fictional thing to exist and if Goku is stronger than her than holy shit, Goku is quite literally the most overpowered anime character ever and quite literally solos all of fiction
Hey did anyone notice that at 5:14 and onwards for the UB section he uses Borderlands 2 ost? Pretty sure its Highlands Ambient or a lesser version of that too. Its quite close if you listen carefully.
EoZ is going to get retconned, it's too restrictive for where Super is heading currently. But originally, EoZ Goku was still very strong. The "Base only" rule most likely still applies at the tournament and Goku thinks either he, Majin Buu, Vegeta, or someone else might win the tournament. This implies Base Goku and Vegeta are around Good Buu's level. Uub is as strong as Goku expected when he unleashes his full power, and that would be Kid Buu's level. Uub (FP) = Kid Buu > Uub >= Base Goku ~ Base Vegeta ~ Good Buu Goku and Vegeta have powered up tremendously and are portrayed to have surpassed Gotenks and Gohan I'd imagine.
@@jayzdawg3111 Well there's a few issues. Bulma is old and hasn't seen Goku in 5 years. So that is going to be a major issue. Power scaling wise, we are going to have to come up with a reason why Uub is so powerful enough to keep up with Base Goku's gigantic power. But in Super, meh, they hand out trillion x boosts like candy lol.
@@jayzdawg3111 1) Statements within the End of Z that just contradict the story as it is. and 2) Mainly how stupid Uub would be for keeping up with a post DBS Base Goku by just being reincarnated.
@@jayzdawg3111 Exactly that, besides the fact God Ki isnt even mentioned as well as everything else between the two arcs. Or the fact that Goku is still impressed by Buu tiers of strength which is literally fodder to Battle of Gods initial God Goku who is the base of Goku going forward in DBS not even mentioning the crazy Zenkais and powerups from start to finish.
@@jayzdawg3111 Buu is Fodder to Vegito who is weaker than God Goku. Goku says so himself that even if he fused with Vegeta it wouldnt have been enough, so even if we equate BOG Vegito to be the same strength as Buu saga (which would be lowballing) God Goku is stronger by both feats and statements. Again, this becomes his base form PL for the rest of the series before he does much more training and gets many more zenkais. We dont even have to mention the Vegito statement to prove the point because SS3 Goku gets no diffed in 3 blows by a Beerus who wasnt even trying even close to as hard as he was during his fight with God Goku. That same SS3 Goku months prior to continuous training was equal to Kid Buu. The fact that God Goku is holding his own against a Beerus trying significantly more and overpowering his Sphere of Destruction says everything. Even if we assumed Uub was reincarnated as the strongest iterations of Buu, whether you think its Buuhan or Kid Buu, God Goku from Battle of Gods is soloing casually which is the WEAKEST form of Goku from DBS that has God Ki. Just like Frieza and 17 and so on itd make no sense for Buu to be even close to relevant to even Base Goku by this point even if you're generous and biased towards Buu's Buu saga Power Level.
@@jayzdawg3111 Base Goku IS Initial SSG Goku strength. He literally abaorbed the power into his base form lol, did we even watch the same show? Vegito was literally boxing Buuhan, even as a Candy. The only reason he didnt kill him was to get his friends out of him lol. This gotta be the biggest copium argument ive seen. Doesnt matter what Majin means, lmao, just like having God in your form name =/= Omnipotent. Such a dumb argument
TL;DR - Uub's power makes no sense at all, being many, many thousands of times higher than Kid Buu at the lowest estimate despite having no training or power amps. Warning - math below. edit: I figured it out. Uub is in an isekai anime: "That time I was max level and got reincarnation as a lvl 1 with hacked stats." Long aside, but Uub was mentioned and used in the video - My big issue with Uub is his power makes no sense. He is supposed to be the exact copy of Kid Buu, a being that had lived for millions-billions of years and had experience from that, and Kid Buu was roughly Goku SSJ3 at the end of the Buu arc. Yet somehow, this reincarnation with literally zero training or experience, was able to output enough energy to dwarf every Z-fighter combined at the end of the Moro Arc. If we assume that Moro Arc Goku is roughly equal to SSJ3 Goku from the Buu arc (this can be debated), this means Uub, with no training or experience or Majin body, was hilariously stronger than his literal exact self with training and millions+ years of experience before he died. Assuming goku base = ssj3 goku from Buu arc and Vegeta scales, this means Uub was the SSJ, SSL2, SSG, SSGSS, SSGSSE, UE times as powerful as end of Buu arc ssj3 goku due to Vegeta + the same for Gohan, Piccolo, and everybody else combined, and that power was multiplied by at least a factor of at least 1,800. Where do I get that number? Well, it is difficult to get an exact size for the spirit ball at the end of the Moro Arc, but all of the Z fighters were able to generate a ball roughly 1/12 the size of the one Uub did by himself, meaning he had to have provided roughly 1,700-1800x the ki since volume of a sphere increases by 4(pi)(r^2) as the radius increases. This means Uub was, lowballing, at least 1,800x as powerful as all of the Z-fighters (minus Goku) combined with all of their power increases since the Buu arc despite having no training and supposedly being the reincarnation of Kid Buu who, with training, was maybe around base level Goku's power at that time. You could argue base Moro Arc Goku was weaker than ssj3 goku at the end of the Buu arc, but it couldn't be by much, and it wouldn't make much difference due to the multipliers anyway since even if he was equal to base Goku from the Buu Arc, the Ki would still have been equal to all the god forms, UE, all the other Z-fighters, then multiplied by 1,800. But he has god ki, I hear you say. Fine. Let's ignore the ki boost from the god ki. Gohan was still relative to SSGSS and higher, and Vegeta, if you negate god ki, still had the ssj multipliers used with god ki and UE, and, again, that was all multiplied by at least 1,800. At the lowest of lowest values, assuming base Buu and base Moro arc Goku have the same power, Uub was at least 1,800 times whatever the UE multiplier is of Vegeta plus whatever the power increase Ultimate Gohan (Who literally stalemated Kelfa by himself and trained to become even stronger before the Moro Arc) is above their Buu arc selves (since, honestly, the other fighters' ki was dwarfed by them). Makes. no. Sense.
at this point is it really canon anymore, super goku could be stronger than whis by the time he fights Uub its so stupid man the story has lost the plot completely.
A lot of people say that gohan was the strongest in the last episode of Z but they confuse the buu saga with the actual last episode and 10 year timeskip. Yeah gohan was the strongest in buu saga but not when goku left with uub
It would be crazy for the next arc to be black frieza and at the beginning goku leaves with uub and black frieza comes around so vegeta gohan and piccolo gotta fight him
@@ryukishi07thecreator70 yes ik that u dingus, I’m just saying if ANYONE deserves the kill it’s vegeta. If u looked at comments I made on other videos I’ve said that they prolly won’t kill off frieza for marketing purposes and ur basing what I say off of one comment when we never even spoke before 😂 Ur a loser
the argument that z goku is the strongest and scaling him to arale is pretty solid and has a lot of logic, its pretty rare though, this would mean that goku while being a non gag character is stronger than what the toon force can do, however if we follow that logic wouldnt that make gt goku even stronger than all of super? also wouldnt that make xeno goku even beyond fictional dimensions?and that would mean that z goku is as strong or stronger than the god fusion goku, were getting to a point that cant be calculated no more
Final goku reminds me of CW flash. All the fans couldn’t wait for that final showdown between the mature Barry and thawne I feel like fans are eagerly waiting for something similar. Final Goku has so much mystery from the little we seen of him and discovering how goku goes from buu saga to that mature goku has people hooked.
Goku needs to get his tail back somehow. Can you make a video on how strong Goku and or Vegeta and Gohan would be if they got their tails back? That would be awesome. I've been thinking about that for a while.
@@HueyOldSchool he’s more of an earthling then a saiyan and barely even counts as one. Broly is a pure saiyan and alr has the ikari form which is him using his ape form in his humanoid body. He should get his tail back instead of gohan. And I don’t even think gohan would want to get his tail back since he’s barely even a saiyan.
@aka-fusion8909 Huh?! What?! Broly should get his tail yeah I agree with you on that. Include him too. But not Gohan?! I'm pretty sure Gohan would want his tail back. I don't see why not. He's back to his warrior status. He's needs and deserves to have his tail back.
probably should've uploaded this earlier this month... awkward.
Cya next December I guess?
Haven’t soon you in a bit
I've wanted someone to do this for the last 2 months you should do an updated 100 years goku now
Goku vs Superman lol
@@juggsasuke failed ratio
This takes "but can they beat Goku tho" to a whole new level.
Casually drops The Scarlet King from the SCP lore on Goku. Even Zeno is shook at that point.
Never understood why scp folks debate scp character with anime.
@@AdeloctissZeg Because the SCP characters are still scalable to other characters in other universes. I happen to be a fan of Dragonball. In fact, it is my favorite anime of all time. I also enjoy SCP among many other storys including unique stories I created myself.
and gets slammed by normal dbs goku @@lanceknightmare
@@AdeloctissZeg multi vs multi battle. It's a casual thing in the scaling community
Great video man. Loved the Arale effect you did to introduce her. Crazy to think how much an old gag character can shake up the scaling for DB after so long.
Hell yeah u broke the dragon ball powerscaling of goku with that arale meta video
The goat
Putting Goku above arale is retarded
Amazing
And to think it been there so long
End of Z Goku deserves to be the strongest. I love that gi.
He is and GT Goku GI means he's stronger too
@@omnijonn277super goku 1 shots ssj4
@@MrEAW56Honestly depends on his version, superman's weaker versions could be fucked up by goku and milkman super man could solo fiction.
@@JasWinnin-gi2jbin his dreams
@@zodiac5790 nah it’s only a little bit stronger than ssj3 and he can barley lift a building the same person that was able to lift the z sword which is the weight of 2 Jupiter size planets
Final goku probably was retconned when you consider how old bulma looks there, now there's the whole thing where bulma uses the dragon to stay younger
There's still time before the EoZ so they can easily fix that by making Dr. Hedo mess up on skincare and making her look older or something
@@TheSuperGooberEoZ has to be rewritten. After Super Hero, it's basically at the 10 year time skip. BOG was four years after Buu, and the rest of Super and the movies take a few years too. You can track Super by Pans age. If Bulma claimed to have not seen Goku in five years and Vegeta is back living at home. The last ten years of new content just can't fit into the previous ending
@@richborn6700to be honest considering the fact that the last time Bulma had seen Goku is when Goku and Vegeywere about to leave to travel to granolah's planet , which is stated to be around age 781, where's the end of z stated to take place around age 784, three years before Goku met Bulma again. So the only thing that is gonna retcon is the age meeting between Goku and Bulma and possibly her age(although this could be fixed as like the first guy said)
Plus if toriyama says it's canon to the end of z, then it is canon, he's the literal author and creator
@@RagingBlazeBloodBaka Tbf, last time Goku met Bulma in person was at the end of the Moro Arc. Maybe they can say "I haven't seen you in 4 years"
@@richborn6700 EoZ should be rewritten. It's better to write-off Super Hero as non-canon for having VIOLATED the original continuity.
Rip to the goat. Wish we could've gotten to see end of z Goku
New chapter just came out end of z goku sucks this one is better
@@JasWinnin-gi2jb 🤡prolly 8 years old
@@AshuraG5 36
You 36!!!!! @@JasWinnin-gi2jb
@@JasWinnin-gi2jb Thats embarassing, grow up lmao
That Arale bit is pure gold 😂
I still think that Goku gets his end of Z Gi from either Whis or the Grand Priest for getting on the angel-level.
Probably
Do you think if we go by arale scaling is GT Kid Goku in SS1 strong enough to make Base Super Hero Goku sweat
Doesn't really make much sense... Since that gi is the same as his very first gi in the first saga, before he entered the 21st Martial Arts Tournament
I don't think Whis or Beerus was even a concept back then.
Toriyama always said he wanted their base forms to be their ultimate forms, hence SsjG looking almost base form aside from the red hair. The ending of DBZ with Goku in the same gi as original DB and in base form only is a foreshadowing of this I believe. It would be really cool to see the saiyans really break the requirement for new, stupid scaling forms
Hopefully one day we can get an official post Z goku with uub storyline
I'm all for the writers forgetting about the old ending with Goku leaving everyone with Uub. They stepped on there own toes by ending Z like that in my opinion.
I absolutely agree that ending was chalked.
at this point it would just be silly for them to stick to end of z with super. If anything id be cool if they had a super-ized end of z arc tho.
i consider end of Z as gt continuity tbh
@@poopooman-q7rthat sounds right tbh
I mean, Goku has teleportation and is fast as shit
So now it's confirmed by large RUclipsrs that Son Goku is high hyper - outer now. Glad to know that power-scaling RUclipsrs are making a change in Son Goku's scaling.
Arale doesnt even scale higher thab complex multi
This is End Of Z Goku though. Super Goku is only low multi-low complex multiversal
Man. If we're going with this scaling then Jesus Christ.
@@heyman373arale is straight up outer.
@@villain9482 stop using Jesus name in vain
This is amazing. End of Z Goku was always the strongest version in my eye, and I have been wanting Super not to retcon that. Your explanation and theories just makes me so, so happy. I'm hyped for End of Z in Super now. This is my new personal headcanon.
Unless super goes beyond end of Z final Goku is the strongest
@@ellisp276if end of z goku is cannon to super imagine what his ui looks like and if he has mastered all his stuff would that mean ssj4
I mean Super is its own timeline/continuity anyway
no it would just be that ultra instinct would be his new base form@@DOGEIDK
Super is stronger
Can't stop thinking about Arele being in the Universe Survival Saga.
Crazy thing is Goku Black might’ve killed Future Arale when he started life wiping the timeline. If Black didn’t/couldn’t do it then Infinite Zamasu likely destroyed her along with the rest of humanity. And if that didn’t do it then Zeno most definitely did
@@TheUncivilizedNation ngl Penguin Village existing in the background while all this is happening is a huge plot hole. You mention Goku Black but the original future timeline is the same issue. Penguin Village would've heard of the Cell Games too, plus they could've taken care of the Majin Buu crisis easily, and so on
I wonder if it's possible that Goku's dream was about finding another fighter with that much potential but little experience? If I was the writer, that's the angle I'd take it.
I wonder if Uub would train with Broly...
Goku becoming a teacher does soumd like a fitting end. After defending eaeth for so long he keeps doing it in his own way
Great video. Definitely some uncoventional scaling not really talked about. Good job to you and Ryu.
jesus loves you
Seth always delivers when it comes to power levels
dawg what@@koz3ris252
The man is back
Absolutely
Also when it comes to being a sociopath, can't forget that.
@@maximusstorm1215 yea but he is still here
damn he’s ACTUALLY actually back, im so glad 😭
dude i know!!!! this doesnt feel real!
Seth got debunked by drip sauce
With tanked views and overrated takes? wooow what a comeback the kiddy diddler should’ve stayed in whatever cave he wormed his way out of💀
Cringe. Lol he shouldn't be
@@edot7266 his videos lowkey entertaining tho
Nice video. Never really thought of this scaling even for Goku. Wonder how a composite Goku involving all of GT, Super and Heroes’ abilities would be in terms of strength. Good editing with the Arale part too.
Also, I do want to say character-wise, Frieza did start to understand Goku’s feelings as if he didn’t he would’ve just blown up Namek and Goku called him out on it. There’s also Piccolo (Jr.) Vegeta and Cell who also, to some extent, understand Goku’s feelings (at least in terms of combat) so I think that Daizenshuu 2 statement that “Goku’s feelings are only understood by his fellow strongest” is more of a general line referring to his strongest foes. But that’s just my opinion.
Good vid overall 👍
That's beyond Broken
@@JakeRider-wc6kewell he is son wukong broken is his thing lol
too strong:
i was under the impression that "his fellow strongest" might be referring to vegeta, who seemed to understand goku more in the buu arc, whereas he was "only" a rival before that arc and didn't fully understand goku (which in a way led to him being majinized)
If gt were Canon and it truly took place after the events of super by reasoning of end of z coming, then it would make sense that gokus body in ssj4 would be able to move on its own and also compensate for the next round after being hit by a technique.
Plus we really need a Canon wrap up to the loose end of goku and vegeta losing their tails, which is a big source of their true saiyan potential.
I could imagine goku gaining his tail back somehow then combining his saiyan pride to create his own personal mastery over ultra instinct to create the og ssj5 look.
Vegeta with ssj4 and ultra ego would also work very well.
The thing I found interesting is that gokus ssj4 form, basically allowed him to have unlimited potential, when he fought syn shenron, he absorbed a huge portion of saiyan power from. Gohan, trunks and goten and called it ultra full power saiyan 4, to do that he had to surpass his bodily limits to the point it could have killed him but it didn't. So super needs to have them get their tails back, at the moment they are incomplete saiyans trying to learn div techniques without their full potential available to them.
And heroes is another animal entirely but it was awesome seeing so many different combinations and forms we never thought we'd see from toei officially. The fact ssj4 LB goku could fight head to head against omen CC goku with just brute force and speed shows he's beyond anything in power we saw in the top. (Obvious I know but I'm just trying to point out, toei owns db iirc, these may be ideas they want to see if and when super ever returns or maybe daima will start to show evolutions for them in a different way)
Glad to see you back in action Seth 👌
Glad you coming back. Keep dropping heat Seth.
people cant even fuking support anymore, holy@@Epta_Null
That’s why he was gone
Seth's back to making videos consistently now? Nice
What happened to bro?
@@Reallyjoyboyfr drama and allegations
@@ReallyjoyboyfrHe was deal with his mental health, he wasn't in good place. From the looks he seem to be doing better now
Yes.🔥
@@Reallyjoyboyfrallegations were grooming and sexting with minors 💀
I'm tired of the drama, I'm just happy Seth's back.
Same here
Drama for you, personal life experiences for someone else. You people are way too self centered
@@CrispyCousy Is it selfish to not want to deal with people we've come to trust get accused every god damn day? Cause I don't know about you, but I'm quite tired of the accusations tossed around on Twitter, discord, reddit, and other such sites every day, false or otherwise. I mean the amount of people who've been accused as pedophiles is enough to tick me off, from Revie way back then to Ninjamuffin now, it's all so tiresome. I just want to enjoy the distractions I have, and I'm happy Seth is back to making videos. I want people to stop, but I know they're not going to, and there's jack shit I can do about it. I'll just enjoy what I can before it's gone for good.
@@Lord_Seraph You want people to stop accusing him of doing shit he openly admitted to doing?????
@@CrispyCousy Maybe I'm a bit more forgiving than the average person, but Seth admitted and apologized for what he did. As well as the fact that some people were going out of their way to make him seem worse than he actually was instead of covering the topic and then cutting ties with him. It's been god knows how long since the last controversy, and by now I'm fairly certain seth has learnt and grown as a person. Others like Kinger's VA, Revie and Ninjamuffin were either falsely accused and/or have done nothing wrong and people are just stirring shit up to get them in hot water. Frankly, I'd rather NOT live a life where almost everyone is a hot piece of shit or is accused to be one, and that's not the life I'm getting, so I'm just going to forgive and forget when someone has shown their willingness to change and grow, rather than banish any and all who even remotely do anything wrong. It's fucked up, cruel, and frankly disheartening. I'm not saying Seth shouldn't have been punished for what he did, that much is true, but I'm willing to see past the mistakes and the drama's and give people the chance to turn things around, something Seth has been trying to do for a while and has only recently come back because of it.
What I really want is for them to redo the GT time period in canon but this time really focus on Goku as a mentor to Uub and Pan, with Uub and Pan being the protagonists and having Goku train them to become his successors.
by the special ep Pan wont become a successor. Id love for them to focus on that new kid, his grand grand son
Most of GT is poorly written garbage, but it does have a lot of really cool character designs and individual plot elements. I'd like to see it reimagined, unbound from the original writing. A good place to start would be for Goku to not be turned back into a kid, and for Goten to take his place in the ship, along with Uub. That would make it a pretty good "next generation" series starring Goten, Trunks, Pan, and Uub. Lots of potential for cool stuff to happen like Super Saiyan Pan, Super Saiyan 4 Goten and Trunks, etc. The whole Black Star Balls thing would need to be altered too if Goku's not being reverted back to a kid, but that's not really too difficult. Just have Pilaf accidentally wish for something else instead.
@@Crow_RisingNo more poorly written garbage than Super tho
I think eventually they might go that direction in a way, i wanna see it done much differently as well, though instead of Goku SSJ4 make Broly go SSJ4 since he has the ozaru form in him
I can't believe bro still beat the allegations his power level is wild
I’m shocked he hasn’t been terminated yet. He’s gotta be the protagonist or something
I guess RUclips don't give a fuck anymore 💀
@@Powerclock35 bro got Goku levels of plot armor
@@PeterEgbuna-ne9bp He’s got plot armor instinct
@@Powerclock35 fr. The writers want him to thrive lol
I believe after the end of all of this ''Goku solo your verse'' etc not even a joke anymore lol
Missed you man, great video i hope you're doing better life is all about getting better and im rooting for you.
SethTheProGROOMER445 is back at it again with more cupcakes!
I am baffled he actually came back.
Yall will believe literally anything huh? Seth ain't no gr00mer bro
@@BasedChadcope
@@BasedChadhe quite literally admitted to it on a livestream. You're braindead
Now I wanna sub
EoZ Goku's gi alone makes him OP! 🔥
GT kid Goku base vs Super Hero Base Goku
@@omnijonn277super hero absolutely violates gt
2 SETH VIDEOS IN LESS THAN A WEEK! THE PROGRAMMER IS COOKING SOMETHING AMAZING!
Nah he said he was going to post this early December, but forgot.
i cant even see goku running at piccolo normally anymore XD
😊 look as I've enjoyed the new people who have arrived to do power scaling and as I hope Seth has healed and hopefully came back a better person I'm either way glad that he's dropping videos
Hopefully he doesn't delete this because this won't get as many views as it would have prior to drama if he uploads consistently i think he can reach where he was and even further beyond
but should he?
@@sagaciouskeh if Sniper wolf can't get canceled then it should be fine
@@sagaciousk not saying what he did was right but he certainly isn't irredeemable
@@Dat_Doggolol he said should not could he. But I see what your saying
@@dantesinferno5420I see, I'm not sure he is ever reaching that level again though
SETH IS BACKKK
Two videos in a row!!
It’s all fun and games until Seth does a video on 100 year timeskip goku
Seth you're still easily my favourite power scaler so keep it up❤🎉
Cant lie, you’re the first power scaler i’ve watched and have great points, glad your back brother.
No he doesn’t, but okay
@@YouDontLikeMe-fi1zh each his own🤷🏾♂️
@@YouDontLikeMe-fi1zh each his own🤷🏾♂️
Must’ve been one hell of a training arc, my boy is back
Bro please try to upload more frequently if possible. We missed your content.
I like how you can tell end of Z Goku is a master now that he switches to his blue gi
Would love to see you do some Air Gear power scaling - the end of that manga is sick
They foreshadowed Goku using 100% ultra instatinct in base right? What if end of Z base goku is infact his Prime
That would be boring, I still like seeing transformations and stuff. Maybe he goes back to early Z where he only uses the kaioken technique which would be cool
Anyone gonna talk about how Goku Black managed to kill aralle?
Due to her being a gag character toriyama can just say she didn't exist in trunks timeline or she wasn't on planet like she's been before
there were some mortals alive in that saga, so we could say that the future saga happens before black goes to arale's town
@@Lux77899 once Goku black and zamasu become primordial zamasu and envelope the earth he kills every living being on the planet mate, which would include aralle (trunks confirms it when he says every life he could sense before is gone)
@toonamis2639 arale is an android, im supposing he cant sense her, but well since thats infinite zamasu we can actually assume that he beat her and that could justify why zeno had to appear, plus a mere beerus hakai deleted that one guy, so im just assuming that zamasu got so strong that he could bypass her toonforce,this going by hack nullification theory
@@Lux77899Arale isn't really an artificial human or "android" like most of Red Ribbon's creations. She's a robot. There are certain differences.
Keep doing your thing Seth the real OG 🔥
@@Cannabeknowny’all been on his meat for the longest. And the funniest shit is you gonna keep watching his videos loser 🤡🤔🤣💪🏼
Shoutout my son Seth real ones KNOW.
Bro bro still dickriding smh @johnjacob6381
@Aigle662frileux just mad that you can't mouth that meat while he's riding it
More like the real PG required. 😂
Seth might just be my favorite RUclipsr atleast when it comes to content like this
This video just made me realize how they made a huge mess of "canon" to such extent that the entire concept of "canon" doesnt even apply to Dragon ball at all.
Arale existing in the dragon ball "canon" and GT characters appearing in the Dr slump manga. The DBZ movies being stated to be alternate worlds when the main story of Dragon ball is literally a alternative timeline. DBS movies, anime and mangas literally not being in the same timeline.
Seeing you recover from previous issues you had is a blessing. Peace to you. Please take care and never stop uploading PEAK CONTENT. you're the goat. Thank you!
As for the 5 years thing when was the last time goku and bulma have actually been on panel together i feel like broly was the last true time, they didn’t in moro, granolah or superhero so i think that statement still applies
Arale edit was fire 🔥
My glorious king posting agin 😩😩😩
Keep going, keep making videos.🔥🔥
Good to have you back
Awesome video, Seth. Good to see you back and doing well. Hopefully you and SSJRyu1 can collab more.
The goat is back
7:21 size of ki ball does not imply more powerful, it's all relative to how dense it is with ki. was probably still a lot tho
Actually no that's not right,that's not ki, its genki, something similar but still different, genki is as big as the power is because genki in dragon ball is normally someone's life energy, for future reference
Ki = energy
Genki = life energy
And an obscure one
Yuuki = determination or bravery (used by gohan when he didn't believe in himself while fighting sp cell)
And there's other types of ki that toriyama hasn't explained, but tbf he hasn't elaborated on a lot so 🤷
Found a better explanation from kanzenshuu
" “ki” also includes such spiritual power as energy/vigor [genki] and bravery [yuuki], and being in one’s right mind [shouki; could also be translated as "true character"] (note 11). There’s a limit to physical strength, no matter how much you toughen it up, and the only way to overcome that it is with “ki”."
This is hilarious I’m gonna love throwing this on other scalers who like to use narrative arguments
Whats is weird about zeno being omniscient and omnipresent. Is that instead of him being 1 being in every timeline he has a past and future self. Spawning a second zeno for the tournament of power. Unless hes one being and purposely split his self among infinite timelines.
Zeno is just a human lvl creature with powerful reality erasure magic.
Timelines are alteranate multiverses dragonball each having different stories.Also we know nothing about zeno true power ,so we cannot just assume he capped at timelines .
@@ryukishi07thecreator70 that's just an assumption
That what I thought, if Zeno has his each future/past/present self from each timelines, then he's not really above time lmao
@@hxppythxughts7149wrong try again
The writing in this video is tight and very well done
Another banger post🗣
dude, Arale has god tier reality manipulating abilities based on what she can do alone she’s guaranteed to be the strongest fictional thing to exist and if Goku is stronger than her than holy shit, Goku is quite literally the most overpowered anime character ever and quite literally solos all of fiction
You really are the dragon ball RUclipsr GOAT Seth. ❤❤❤
Hey did anyone notice that at 5:14 and onwards for the UB section he uses Borderlands 2 ost? Pretty sure its Highlands Ambient or a lesser version of that too. Its quite close if you listen carefully.
EoZ is going to get retconned, it's too restrictive for where Super is heading currently. But originally, EoZ Goku was still very strong. The "Base only" rule most likely still applies at the tournament and Goku thinks either he, Majin Buu, Vegeta, or someone else might win the tournament. This implies Base Goku and Vegeta are around Good Buu's level. Uub is as strong as Goku expected when he unleashes his full power, and that would be Kid Buu's level.
Uub (FP) = Kid Buu > Uub >= Base Goku ~ Base Vegeta ~ Good Buu
Goku and Vegeta have powered up tremendously and are portrayed to have surpassed Gotenks and Gohan I'd imagine.
@@jayzdawg3111 Well there's a few issues. Bulma is old and hasn't seen Goku in 5 years. So that is going to be a major issue. Power scaling wise, we are going to have to come up with a reason why Uub is so powerful enough to keep up with Base Goku's gigantic power. But in Super, meh, they hand out trillion x boosts like candy lol.
@@jayzdawg3111 1) Statements within the End of Z that just contradict the story as it is. and 2) Mainly how stupid Uub would be for keeping up with a post DBS Base Goku by just being reincarnated.
@@jayzdawg3111 Exactly that, besides the fact God Ki isnt even mentioned as well as everything else between the two arcs. Or the fact that Goku is still impressed by Buu tiers of strength which is literally fodder to Battle of Gods initial God Goku who is the base of Goku going forward in DBS not even mentioning the crazy Zenkais and powerups from start to finish.
@@jayzdawg3111 Buu is Fodder to Vegito who is weaker than God Goku. Goku says so himself that even if he fused with Vegeta it wouldnt have been enough, so even if we equate BOG Vegito to be the same strength as Buu saga (which would be lowballing) God Goku is stronger by both feats and statements. Again, this becomes his base form PL for the rest of the series before he does much more training and gets many more zenkais.
We dont even have to mention the Vegito statement to prove the point because SS3 Goku gets no diffed in 3 blows by a Beerus who wasnt even trying even close to as hard as he was during his fight with God Goku. That same SS3 Goku months prior to continuous training was equal to Kid Buu. The fact that God Goku is holding his own against a Beerus trying significantly more and overpowering his Sphere of Destruction says everything.
Even if we assumed Uub was reincarnated as the strongest iterations of Buu, whether you think its Buuhan or Kid Buu, God Goku from Battle of Gods is soloing casually which is the WEAKEST form of Goku from DBS that has God Ki. Just like Frieza and 17 and so on itd make no sense for Buu to be even close to relevant to even Base Goku by this point even if you're generous and biased towards Buu's Buu saga Power Level.
@@jayzdawg3111 Base Goku IS Initial SSG Goku strength. He literally abaorbed the power into his base form lol, did we even watch the same show?
Vegito was literally boxing Buuhan, even as a Candy. The only reason he didnt kill him was to get his friends out of him lol. This gotta be the biggest copium argument ive seen. Doesnt matter what Majin means, lmao, just like having God in your form name =/= Omnipotent. Such a dumb argument
TL;DR - Uub's power makes no sense at all, being many, many thousands of times higher than Kid Buu at the lowest estimate despite having no training or power amps. Warning - math below.
edit: I figured it out. Uub is in an isekai anime: "That time I was max level and got reincarnation as a lvl 1 with hacked stats."
Long aside, but Uub was mentioned and used in the video - My big issue with Uub is his power makes no sense. He is supposed to be the exact copy of Kid Buu, a being that had lived for millions-billions of years and had experience from that, and Kid Buu was roughly Goku SSJ3 at the end of the Buu arc. Yet somehow, this reincarnation with literally zero training or experience, was able to output enough energy to dwarf every Z-fighter combined at the end of the Moro Arc. If we assume that Moro Arc Goku is roughly equal to SSJ3 Goku from the Buu arc (this can be debated), this means Uub, with no training or experience or Majin body, was hilariously stronger than his literal exact self with training and millions+ years of experience before he died.
Assuming goku base = ssj3 goku from Buu arc and Vegeta scales, this means Uub was the SSJ, SSL2, SSG, SSGSS, SSGSSE, UE times as powerful as end of Buu arc ssj3 goku due to Vegeta + the same for Gohan, Piccolo, and everybody else combined, and that power was multiplied by at least a factor of at least 1,800. Where do I get that number? Well, it is difficult to get an exact size for the spirit ball at the end of the Moro Arc, but all of the Z fighters were able to generate a ball roughly 1/12 the size of the one Uub did by himself, meaning he had to have provided roughly 1,700-1800x the ki since volume of a sphere increases by 4(pi)(r^2) as the radius increases. This means Uub was, lowballing, at least 1,800x as powerful as all of the Z-fighters (minus Goku) combined with all of their power increases since the Buu arc despite having no training and supposedly being the reincarnation of Kid Buu who, with training, was maybe around base level Goku's power at that time. You could argue base Moro Arc Goku was weaker than ssj3 goku at the end of the Buu arc, but it couldn't be by much, and it wouldn't make much difference due to the multipliers anyway since even if he was equal to base Goku from the Buu Arc, the Ki would still have been equal to all the god forms, UE, all the other Z-fighters, then multiplied by 1,800.
But he has god ki, I hear you say. Fine. Let's ignore the ki boost from the god ki. Gohan was still relative to SSGSS and higher, and Vegeta, if you negate god ki, still had the ssj multipliers used with god ki and UE, and, again, that was all multiplied by at least 1,800. At the lowest of lowest values, assuming base Buu and base Moro arc Goku have the same power, Uub was at least 1,800 times whatever the UE multiplier is of Vegeta plus whatever the power increase Ultimate Gohan (Who literally stalemated Kelfa by himself and trained to become even stronger before the Moro Arc) is above their Buu arc selves (since, honestly, the other fighters' ki was dwarfed by them).
Makes. no. Sense.
at this point is it really canon anymore, super goku could be stronger than whis by the time he fights Uub its so stupid man the story has lost the plot completely.
Hush bot
@@NateBullock-ow6on you like basic power level sht that lacks critical thinking skills huh
@@NateBullock-ow6on I don't see how this is a bot....
A lot of people say that gohan was the strongest in the last episode of Z but they confuse the buu saga with the actual last episode and 10 year timeskip. Yeah gohan was the strongest in buu saga but not when goku left with uub
Any chance you’d be able to go over your thoughts on the third Goku vs Superman video death battle did?
Welcome back sir
It would be crazy for the next arc to be black frieza and at the beginning goku leaves with uub and black frieza comes around so vegeta gohan and piccolo gotta fight him
Nah man vegeta deserves that solo kill
@@aka-fusion8909 Frieza is not gonna die again whether you like it or not.
@@ryukishi07thecreator70 yes ik that u dingus, I’m just saying if ANYONE deserves the kill it’s vegeta. If u looked at comments I made on other videos I’ve said that they prolly won’t kill off frieza for marketing purposes and ur basing what I say off of one comment when we never even spoke before 😂
Ur a loser
Binding of isaac music in the background?? Based.
Ay yo you're back.
Good to see you upload again.
Omg a Seth video welcome back favorite RUclips power scaler
End of Z goku is still my favorite design.
Looks like they need to update the Low 2-C tier ranking of Goku in VS battle wiki given his insane 4th wall breaking abilities.
Good to see you're back. Always like your perspective on this stuff!
You're such a chad, seth. I'm so glad that you're back.
@Seth that was some pretty neat editing on 14:11 ! Appreciate to see there’s more effort being put into your vid’s!
For a second I thought Seth was going to do another daily Content dump like that one time for like a week straight
Im glad you're coming back. I hope your mind state is much better
the argument that z goku is the strongest and scaling him to arale is pretty solid and has a lot of logic, its pretty rare though, this would mean that goku while being a non gag character is stronger than what the toon force can do, however if we follow that logic wouldnt that make gt goku even stronger than all of super? also wouldnt that make xeno goku even beyond fictional dimensions?and that would mean that z goku is as strong or stronger than the god fusion goku, were getting to a point that cant be calculated no more
Of course we cant assume this is truth but to some gokus, like the one that fought neko majin and the one from the 4d movie/event
Final goku reminds me of CW flash. All the fans couldn’t wait for that final showdown between the mature Barry and thawne
I feel like fans are eagerly waiting for something similar.
Final Goku has so much mystery from the little we seen of him and discovering how goku goes from buu saga to that mature goku has people hooked.
I'm glad about the consistent upload after many months of break. Hope more videos come soon.
Yoooo, your back, kinda miss your videos
Keep going Seth your one of the OG's
Happy to see you back brother.
Imagine how strong GT Goku would be by the End if he was canon? Hoooooly jeez
nice video seth
Arale has toon force. She's basically the writer's apostle
So glad you are uploading again
Thanks for more great content 👏
Goat is back fr fr
final goku is soooo hack that even vegeta simply gave up challenging him.
When did Vegeta give up challenging him?
in GT@@Shaneo0oo
when bro pulled the calculations yall know its gon be a treat
Yessir Seth’s back our fav powerscaler
Taking a Mexican magazine as valid info is actually crazy, big W
It’s not a Mexican magazine, it’s a Spanish magazine that released in Spain.
Happy to see u hope u change we still love you and your content 100
Hes back lets go
Goku needs to get his tail back somehow. Can you make a video on how strong Goku and or Vegeta and Gohan would be if they got their tails back? That would be awesome. I've been thinking about that for a while.
Not gohan
@aka-fusion8909 Why not Gohan? He had a tail. Just like Goku and Vegeta. He deserves to have his tail back too. Don't exclude Gohan.
@@HueyOldSchool he’s more of an earthling then a saiyan and barely even counts as one. Broly is a pure saiyan and alr has the ikari form which is him using his ape form in his humanoid body. He should get his tail back instead of gohan. And I don’t even think gohan would want to get his tail back since he’s barely even a saiyan.
@aka-fusion8909 Huh?! What?! Broly should get his tail yeah I agree with you on that. Include him too. But not Gohan?! I'm pretty sure Gohan would want his tail back. I don't see why not. He's back to his warrior status. He's needs and deserves to have his tail back.
@@HueyOldSchoolhe wouldn't want to risk becoming a great ape and endangering his family so no he wouldn't
The reality is: Toriyama doesn't remember his own cannon and doesn't really care if things are canonical or if there's retcons/mistakes.
Finally he’s back!
The goat has returned to us 🙌🏾‼️