He closed the gap from namek saga super saiyan to super saiyan blue in 4 months, it should be no surprise that he would demolish Goku after 10 straight years worth of training. As for how he would compare to someone like Beerus, that is unknown, reason is that the writers keep making Beerus more powerful than we thought, people thought that moro arc Goku could beat Beerus but turns out Beerus was still about that.
What's scarier than Frieza's power level? His prep. When he's done conquering the multiverse, Frieza should settle down as a RUclipsr and make insanely accurate Power Analysis videos.
I literally hypothesized this with my cousin months ago, I said to him, "If frieza can jump from namek to blue level power in 4 months, imagine if he trained like goku and vegeta!" Then boom, they put him in the room of spirit and time.
Most people did heck the anime and manga mentions that freiza only training for the first time only for a few months was amazing Dudes potential is unbelievable
Not really beerus whis the exempt universes and unknown fighters jiren havnt been shown yet black frieza still have to tip toe around what he does because he really isn't the strongest lol like in namek
I believe Beerus is the yardstick the writers don't want anyone surpassing. Whenever Goku and Vegeta reach a new level we learn Beerus can still destroy any threat their facing. So Frieza is still probably weaker than Beerus. Beerus just gets stronger due to plot .
Beerus has gotta be the strongest god of destruction ever, I mean suppressed Jiren was stated to be "on the level of a destroyer god or maybe even surpassed it" by Whis. Then we get a rather confusing line in Broly where Goku implies Broly could be "as strong as Beerus" idk what they want us to think anymore.
Strangely enough, I'm not so sure that Frieza is doing this purely out of hatred of Goku anymore. I think he genuinely wants to get stronger, which is why he left Goku and Vegeta alive, so they could challenge him again, and thereby help him surpass his limits once again. Frieza may be after something with all of that strength. Perhaps he's trying to gain enough strength to match and even surpass the great Zen-Oh.
i agree i think frieza is no longer interested in killing the z fighters and specifically goku and vegeta, or at least is less concerned with the idea of it. i think he's going to end up just being a really strong character to parralel goku and vegeta as the series progresses. But with thst being said either way i find it more believeable that frieza training hard for 10 solid years is an easier sell than random new characters making a wish with the dragon balls for power surpassing goku or vegeta who possess power far above the amount that caused all gods of destruction to stand up and pay respect to in the TOP, doesn't feel as believable when new characters with no build up or backstory come into play and have that level of strength, just feels cheap moreless.
Yeah, i dont think Frieza hates goku anymore.. At least like he did on Namek or the movie, it feels different. Frieza will never be an ally, but it feels more like rival territory right now. I suppose we just need to see Friezas end game and what he really wants.
ZenO is not strong power wise - he just has insanely powerful one shot techniques like- erasing the universe. Frieza won't have nothing against something like that. Unless Frieza's power is 100x the universe and ZenO is it capable of destroying a power of a few universes at a time.
The one thing not mentioned is Vegetas Ultra Ego, it's not just a power up, he gets stronger the more damage he takes, so Frieza knocking Vegeta out of his UE form with no increase in power shows just how strong he's gotten.
The problem here with ultra ego. Yes it makes its user more powerful when they survive blows. Frieza at this point in the manga should be able to kill Vegeta. Not allowing ultra ego to become useful
Didn’t he off guard them though and hit them n a vital spot the weakest spot on a person besides the black area is the stomach he knocked them out of their forms I’m pretty sure they could go back in them I think they are still relevant to frieza maybe not stronger but DBz isn’t all about power he was stronger when he went full gold but couldn’t manage his power right! Ui n Ue are different techniques one is about focus and perfect strikes and the body reacting on its own the other is about rage countering and attacking ! Frieza new form might have its own niche at this moment we don’t know ! If beerus would’ve felt he was going to be rivaled by ui he would’ve already fought them n he did he told vegeta that he was more like a million yrs away n didn’t even get serious ! So I think it was just an off guard attack I think head up it would be more of a high or mid diff rather than a no diff
We also have to take into account the type of training Frieza did. In ROF he legit became SSBlue level in 4 months by beating the shit out of one of his subordinates, that's all. Him being in a time chamber-like area with the intense pressure and whatever training he did for ten whole years would be far more intense than pretty much anything he's done before.
@@zstroke9556 That wasn’t base frieza, when Gas dashes over to fight him, frieza transformed into his black form for 2 panels, one-shotting him, then detransforming.
@@karimali9699 Just curious why tho? He never trained in his whole life at that time, He is basically the Broly in his own race (Abnormal), and a prodigy
I saw a summary of Freiza that emphasizes that he is actually a prodigy, and getting his ass handed time and again made him truly learn. And as a prodigy he trained and powered up fast
I mean yea, considering how strong he was (as nearly as ssj1) without ever training or lifting a finger before.😆 quite impressive tbh, how inherent and naturally gifted (strong) he is.
Extremely powerful that Beerus out of nowhere called for goku and vegeta to train at his planet immediately. He dunked over their new transformations like nothing
@@GuyVick Yes, but Frieza grows at an even more absurd rate than Saiyans, with just a few months of training he went from Namek saga level to catching up to SSB Goku.
Frieza has done a complete character arc growth and 180. He has done what he has despised the most for all of his life. He has trained for years now and has become a WARRIOR. He used to believe he was above such primal and trivial matters, but was humbled several times. Now he takes his position seriously and claim his position as the emperor of the universe again! Love it all.
Damn. Idk how u could actually make all the DBS and especially Frieza and this new color wheel fanfiction level power BS sound good and redeemable but u did it
I would love to see Frieza vs Beerus where Frieza isn't just stomped. Beerus being this unstoppable wall has gotten old and he's proven himself an incompetent god. Having him actually have to fight to keep his position or be punished for his complacency would be pretty cathartic
@@sweetac3217 I think we will eventually. He’s been built up since the Tournament of Power Arc, and it’s not like Dragon Ball to leave plot threads completely unanswered. They also provide some type of answer to an opened plot thread.
He hates saiyans and calls them monkeys, but idk about black people lol. Now that i think about it, are there even black saiyans? They look white (or asian?)
Beerus fought a monster that was easily stronger than SS3, which clearly is far higher than form 4 freiza. Beerus absolutely knows how strong Freiza can get.
Hi Seth. It was also stated in the Broly novel that Frieza was strong enough to make Broly avoid taking his attacks if he had the chance to. So Frieza could actually hurt SSJ Broly.
That doesn't really make too much sense as we know the forms Goku and Vegeta were using were on par with Gold Frieza. Meaning if Frieza could cause injury then so could they, and they clearly all 3 got their asses clapped.
Plus we can't really forget the level whis is at. He stopped planet Moro's punch with a finger while Goku was struggling in mui. Whis is probably something none of these guys will reach anytime soon
or ever and if they do it could be at the end of the series for good unless there's other universes besides the one they show and their power scaling is beyond anything we've seen so far
I don't follow Dragon Ball, but GOSH DANG. The first two minutes and twenty seconds of this video have a ridiculously effective way of communicating the sheer level of microcosm-encompassing, wholehearted coldness and badassery that frieza exudes. Like DAYUM. His latest form is frieza black because of the unprecedented level of black airforce energy. Imagine if Frieza kills lord Beerus in this arc and we get to see a bloodlusted Whis. That'd be insane.
I doubt whis would honestly care tbh. As an angel he's trained to be completely indifferent, and besides, even if he did get bloodlusted, he would be erased if he teied to fight because angels aren't allowed to fight. Though it would be fun, i don't think seeing whis fight will be possible 😭😭👨
When Friza was resurrected he said, "What could be more sulerberious for a conquerer than the motivation to become so strong he's never dethroned again." So I think he kept them alive so he doesn't become complacent again. He could've lost his empire and life to Elec or someone else thats powerhungry if he never had the motivation to train. And those kind of ops would make sure Friza wouldn't be revived. Thanks to his on going, mutually beneficial, rivalry with the Sayians, he spared them. So Friza had some development as he can see beyond his vendetta
True, Frieza knows their capabilities and he knows they’ll get stronger so he thinks when they get stronger he will because essentially that’s happened ever since he started training
Personally I would hope that having Freiza become THIS overpowered is to establish him as a boss villain (similar to his original role in the namek arc). Having him on that pedestal allows for more side stories in which Goku and Vegeta can slowly attempt to catch up to him (this should "realistically" take them many years to do). What I would like to see the most is Freiza embarking on a multiversal conquest, or some present kind of multiversal scale threat that Goku and Vegeta aren't quite ready for- this would reintroduce some level of "stake" in Dragon Ball as wishing everyone back with the dragon balls isn't possible if the balls and the entire universe they come from are either under Freiza's control, or at risk of destruction. This also allows for side character like Jiren and Hit to return possibly on the side of the heroes or as anti-heroes playing their part in stopping Freiza.
I don't think they want Frieza to be a villain and just die again. He spared Goku and Vegeta after one shotting them which means he's goal is not to kill them anymore which might mean the developers want to keep Frieza around possibly to become next God of destruction since Vegeta can't really be one because he has a family on earth.
@@the_sam_strong Oh no, Frieza still wants to kill them, but like Sett said, Frieza is just THAT confident in his abilities that he can leave them alive and off them whenever he wants.
@@good8619 I don't think so. Perhaps he wants them to live knowing to be weaker than him but he doesn't want to kill them anymore or else he would have done it right there and then...
I think we also need to add that the 10 years of training could have also affected Frieza mentally. He trained for 4 months in Res F but he's never dedicated himself to something that long. It could have completely changed his viewpoint on things. Not saying he's good but he might have a reason for keeping Goku and Vegeta around
BINGO, *that's* what I want to believe! Gosh in the hands of good writers, this could be a WONDERFUL, wonderful thing for Dragon Ball. Freeza was LITERALLY a spoiled tyrant, and hadn't ever even attempted training or anything exactly "martial" in his life before RezF. TEN. YEARS. of actual training? Putting in work? Personally, my hope is that RezF wasn't just a nostalgia grab, but hopefully the first step in a LONG game... we even got Freeza back for the ToP, and he quietly tanked Broly's rage while showing some (adorable *shakes her head grinning* ) character growth... He didn't want to "take the fun out of the game" by wishing for something like immortality, invincibility, or even more power. He still HATES those monkeys, but even in Broly we saw depth. This new Freeza iced Elec and Gas, but very genially recruited the others and deliberately wasted Goku and Vegeta (healed, post-zenkai, in their "mastered" new forms) with NO visible desire to taunt, tease, torture... or kill. My personal hope is that this is the new Emperor Freeza, he's on top in terms of power, but rolls more like Cao Cao or Oda Nobunaga... not just evil for evil's sake, but intelligent, manipulative, very thoughtful, and genuinely has a long term plan for the universe aside from just "I'm Lord Freeza." Hoping against hope that this is a Freeza that fulfills the glimpses we saw in the ToP of manipulating the gods, dominating the universe, and essentially starts treating more and more people like he used to treat Ginyu. His goal no longer just killing the monkeys, he now realizes his truest strengths and isn't even the most evil thing in the universe. Keep in mind, the old Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta under orders but also because he feared the potential of the legendary Super Saiyan. THIS Freeza KNOWS the potential of his two monkey foes, but he's willing to let them stay alive. He's either so overpowered now that it's a joke, or he's done exactly as you said, he's changed. ..... *bows respectfully, sliding her palms down the front of her thighs Japanese curtsy* thank you for letting me comment to you, um... is that you, Beerus-sama? There are so few purple cats, sir. Best wishes :D :) (I *REALLY* hope they have genuinely been planning for Freeza to be something serious for Dragon Ball, and we get a new "normal" rather than just an "arc" with him in it. I would love to see the Dragonverse go back to being ruled by Emperor Freeza and see what comes of that)
I'm not surprised at all that Frieza decided to keep them around. Even before his 10 years of training, he was starting to get to a point where he was beginning to actually enjoy fighting against them, Goku especially.
Nice theory, but Frieza came to deal the Heeters, Goku & Vegeta just happened to be there. He could tell they weren't at their full strength, so his W over them would be hollow. Although Namek Frieza would have just merked them zero fucks given. So instead he embarrasses them in their strongest forms with ease, and says he'll clap them cheeks another day. Confident in his new strength that they'll never pass him.
I think freeza is starting to feel the thrill of getting stronger and pushing his limits. Back then, he didn't feel the need to train because he saw himself as the most powerful in the universe. Now that he knows he can go much further and beyond, he wants Goku and Vegeta to continue in pushing him to his fullest potential
Yep. It's a slippery slope. First you train a little, then you start to like it, then you realize Goku was right all along, become his friend and give up your evil ways in favor of sparring all the time to see just how strong you can actually get.
Would would happen is that now black freiza has accomplished his new form, he will be after Beerus next. Black Freiza will kill Beerus in the next Arc, and for once Goku and Vegeta are worthless against freiza and it will be up to either Broly or Gohan to defeat Black Freiza.
I really think that Frieza did and is training to take the place of Beerus as the God of Destruction, with goals to defeat the Grand Priest and even the Omni King(s). Seeing Gas disintegrated like he did really solidifies that for me. After Frieza experiencing the destruction ki first hand and overcoming it and even redirecting it, Frieza may have just tried to mimic that same ki and manifest it into his own ki during his 10 year training, making Frieza a serious threat to even Beerus. Also Frieza leaving as he did shows that Frieza WILL be the main antagonist going forward. That power level LEAGUES beyond what Goku and Vegeta are currently at just seems like a goal that both of them now need to achieve in order to even scratch the surface that is Frieza.
Beerus used what .001% of his true power against a Max Power SSG Goku who is represented as The Literal Savior of the Univerese. Even Black Frieza now has no chance against Beerus lol...
All goku and vegeta have to do is go in a time chamber with whis and broly and beerus . Friez reached his limit given he stopped at 10 when he could of gone more
There is another thing to think about when it comes to the ten years Frieza trained and that is he trained alone. He probably had to do exercises over and over again just to get the results he wanted. He also probably hit some limits when it came to his training wich he had to find ways on his own to break them.
Piccolo in early Z had a great solution to no training partners. He just used Tien's multi-form technique and fought himself. Wonder if Frieza managed to do something similar. Its not optimal but it beats having no partner at all. Sadly there's only so much one can do alone without a rival to contest against.
There's no point of saying he's training actively. Beerus over a million years old, you don't know what training he went to compared to frieza who just trained for pnly 10 years...
Weak argument. Suggesting that a being that is hundreds or thousands of years old suddenly just got much better with a few weeks' training is kinda dumb as it suggests they were sitting on their ass for the whole time
Dude. Imagine if Cell was left alive with Frieza and Saiyan DNA. He would be such a massive power house it's ridiculous. Also I want Frieza to achieve a form similar to Cooler's form.
I really really really wanted an after credits scene where Cell reformed into his OG form (but with a little red to show he's still improved), would have been great to have him alive and out there again.
Frieza instantly took out the Top 3 people in the universe without breaking a sweat. I actually can't see Goku and Vegeta beating him any time soon AT ALL
It's DB super dude remember the same writing that had android 17 comparable with blue Goku with training to fight poachers. The same show that had Gohan get a ultra instinct level power boost with no training despite being buu saga prior to this with a new form they pulled out there ass. More than likely Goku's going to get a True ultra instinct 2 kaioken x100 And Vegeta will have some new BS like a true royale ultra ego mastered god of destruction form.
I would absolutely adore a Frieza vs Beerus fight. It could be so easy to set up. Frieza is the emperor of the universe, and Beerus is the God of Destruction. Two people who believe they rule the Universe
After coming back to this and thinking about it, the idea Frieza was training for Beerus seems very likely. However, that threat to destroy Frieza still lingers and he leaves them alive. I think that despite his excessive training, Beerus may likely still be just that much stronger than even Black Frieza. The wish to become the strongest warrior in the universe may very well be completely ignoring Beerus. He's a God, not a warrior. Knowing that Beerus also dropped a full power Blue Evolution Vegeta at the start of the arc with just one move really sets that despite everything, Beerus still is that terrifying.
My theory is that Frieza spared them so they could push him to get stronger, you know how saiyans need someone stronger then them to push them to new heights a rival..thats how friaza views them as a rival
Freeza strikes me as someone who learned from his mistake in RoF. In finding the room of spirit and time, I believe he would do enough training to ensure that nothing is able to stand in his way. This includes Beerus. Of course, Beerus has been kind of proven to be a moving goal post, probably doing his own training while the boys aren't around to ensure he stays on top, but it wouldn't surprise me if Freeza chose to stay the ten years purely because he wanted to ensure that everyone would be trivial opponents, like his life was pre-Namek. While it is absurd to use any measures of his growth scale from F to now, Freeza is one of those infinite potential types due to him already being closeish to SSJ Goku on Namek without having trained a day in his life. It should be kept in mind that no matter how you spin it, Freeza will always have ridiculous growth if he truly aims for it.
@@Captain_Ista there is also something called wasted effort. Your entire last paragraph is just one word: genetics. I was helping you find the right word
Frieza wanted to spare them so that he gets stronger. Think about it: He *WANTS* them to get stronger so that he becomes even stronger than them at the previous hurdle. Frieza has a training ability in which he is now exploiting, as I also see him manipulating Goku and Vegeta to train with him. Frieza doesn't want to kill them; he wants them to dominate them and make sure they submit to his Supreme Being.
They do make an interesting trio in that regard. All three of them motivate eacother to new heights in roundabout ways. Goku and Vegeta are traditional rivals, and Frieza is kind of like that outlier of a rival to both of them alongside his role as occasional enemy. Those 3 training or even grudgingly fighting as a reluctant team vs some bigger enemy would be quite something to behold.
Honestly, I'm glad Freeza is still around, but it's kinda of a dick move by the Dragon Team to just let Freeza stick around, considering how Freeza is out actively slaughtering millions everyday. It makes them look like assholes.
@@Xeno574 That's kinda how the Earth crew have always been. If its not threatening Earth or planets of people friendly to them, they don't give a crap. As weird as it sounds, the Z gang aren't heroes in the conventional sense. Also, this may be a strange take on Frieza's empire, but in a way he could be, in a messed up way bringing order to a chaotic universe. I would not be shocked to learn Frieza revised his empire's function to help support the U7 mortal level. His absence did leave a pretty huge rift in how the universe functioned. In a roundabout way, Frieza prevents inter-galactic war just by making everyone hate and fear him more than they want to fight eachother. Frieza's father was ruling for who knows how long before as well, his family's demise must've cause loads of chaos.
@@dreadrath True, in a way Freeza is helping out. But like, he's still killing millions and enslaving even more. And they aren't heroes in the traditional sense, but it's still weird to me
I'm sure his mortal level is probably starting to bottle neck at some point so it wouldn't necessarily mean it would scale unhindered remember Even whis told Vegeta you can only accomplish so much by simply physical training so I don't think he is over scaled like every thinks.
Wym??? We already know frieza trains not only his body but his mind. In the newest arcs we’ve seen goku and vegeta both attempting to train their minds but frieza has been training both for over 10 years
Freeza is built different*. His race isn’t normally so strong, but he and his father are “mutants” that are absurdly strong for their race....and that’s back during dbz.
I'm of the belief he's after the gods at this point. During the ToP he made it abundantly clear he had it out for not only Beerus, but for the Grand Zeno himself.
He’s gonna need a lot power than what he has now then because the angels are on a completely different tier from the g.o.d. Wondering if maybe he’ll try to steal the Angel power sealed in Og 73
@@Spike-Ali that’s not true. The angels don’t fight? Have you missed all the times whis fought goku and Vegeta and bodies them? Whis literally one shots ultra instinct goku beginning of this arc
Yeah but that can’t work ultra ego and ultra instinct are complete opposites they can’t mix one requires peace of mind while the other is the -opposite
Honestly I would say Freeza has both change as a person and is very confident in his power, since after all the shit that has happened to him, it would make sense he would be a bit more respectful towards them well also showing that he has surprise them in power.😺
Nah, just because an evil, genocidal, mass-murdering, planet-busting monster respects you, doesn't mean it won't try and kill you, or someone you love/care about when you're back is turned. Frieza being hakai'd is the only way to be fully rid of him, and honestly, I've been tired of Frieza since RoF.
I honestly want Frieza to defeat Gogeta in a fight. It would be some next level shock. Like we've never seen a fusion genuinely lose to an opponent just being outclassed. That'd be so badass.
@@TheWeeklyVibecheck It lowkey started when he learned Goku beat Majin Buu... his world was expanded... the super powers he was told to kneel to weren't so impossibly beyond comprehension anymore and then a mortal stronger than a God of Destruction appears and if Goku can be relative to that why can't he? He overpowered that Hakai after being revived and tossed it at Goku to see if he could tank it too... then he watched Goku closely during TOP and even gave him his energy so he could keep observing... he's ready for the smoke and not too prideful to train hard... he's coming for the Grand Priest eventually!
Dragonball seem to be revisiting the past a lot with their content lately (Broly, Cell Max, SS2 Gohan homage, and now Frieza). With that in mind, I really hope they do another Emperor Frieza arc. Have him completely take over the universe, even enslaving/beating Beerus. Maybe to a point he has to have Weiss work for him. I just want Goku and Vegeta to be absolutely rekd constantly, even in the forms they're in now.
Yeah, I had a theory that frieza is just taunting them. Like hes just going to get stronger everytime goku and vegeta get stronger until they die of old age.
Always wanted him to be the beerus figure before beerus took that role since it's not like Frieza wants to destroy the universe unlike other villains rather he wants to own everything that exist and rule over it
@@Succubus_L0li If Frieza could grow past his need to conquer and rule everything and curb his sadistic tendency a bit, he'd actually make a pretty solid GoD
@@dreadrath Actually I feel like Frieza would be against being GoD himself, because GoD serves directly under the Grand Priest, and Zeno is the CEO(why?). and we all know that he either wants to find ways to eliminate Zeno or find other ways to control Zenos.
It makes the most sense considering that he saw how powerful Gogeta was first hand. He’s smart enough to know that even if he beat them individually they could just fuse to defeat him. That’s why he did the 10 year training
Frieza is Super’s version of Vegeta in Z. I think we’ll see more team ups and just hot air between Goku/Vegeta and Frieza. They must coexist to push each other further.
I find it hard to imagine that. How would Goku and Vegeta let that be? Frieza exterminated the saiyans, massacred the namekians and killed the Z Warriors. Idk how I'd feel if they just let that go.
@@hugomventura it took Broly roughly 50 years to barely rival Beerus It took Freiza 10 years to arguably rival angels Now you tell me who has more potential.
@@chillingeg broly hasn't been doing actual training his whole life. he is god level literally by just aging and getting angry. Freeza been below super saiyan for most his life which broly could of easily eclipse if anything got him angry.
@@hugomventura Gohans potential is higher than Brolys according to Tori, but these 3 have insane potential. Freeza training for 10 years to get that strong is insane, but Broly would be a bit stronger if they were training together. Gohan, obviously, would be weaker than either of them unless he used his new form, which taps his hidden power.
@@hugomventura Broly was actually training and fighting beasts his whole life all frieza did was sit on his chair and destroy planets. He DIDNT ever train until ROF.
What's interesting is he probably took in account beerus and his hakai as well seeing as he was able to contain and overpower a hakai blast in his gold form.
Characters in DB ALWAYS get stronger quicker when they have a goal in mind so Freeza seeing all these characters gap him in power over and over he’d definitely go as hard and as long as he knows he needed to and would grow quicker due to seeing them all as an obstacle
Yeah, krillin from namek would King piccolo, krillin from Android saga would beat vegeta and nappa, Krillin from boo saga would likely beat frieza, And super? Super krillin would beat cell
@@wicked.a950 Krillin from the Saiyan saga could one-shot Piccolo Jr. and Krillin from the Frieza saga had a power level of 75,000 because of Guru's unlock potential ability working overtime and hitting that level during the Frieza fight so Krillin on Namek could already oneshot everyone from the Saiyan saga and beat Oozaru Vegeta with a Kienzan
@@wicked.a950 lmfao killing isn't beating cell there's no way it's not happening killin might be the same level as android 18 he has no feats and he stopped training give me one reason why krillin could beat cell who was a tier below ssj2 Gohan as a teen who was weaker in the buu saga
My favorite thing about Black Frieza is how it basically restores Frieza to his original position of the strongest being in the universe that he held for countless decades up until the Namek Arc. But now Frieza's back on top, and I'm really interested to see how the story will progress from here.
@@nonbasicz That's not what I was talking about, I don't care which version was better, my point was, Frieza wanting to surpass Zeno, was anime only and not to do with the manga.
Before watching this video, this was my take on black Frieza's strength: Frieza's strength from final form to gold is essentially worth 4 Saiyan transformations, since he went toe to toe with Ssb for a little while. And Frieza achieved this in like 3-4 months. Now though, Frieza trained for what, 10 years right? So 4 transformations worth for every 3-4 months in a 10 year span, probably puts Frieza above and beyond all the current MORTALS we have seen (I am including jiren) thus far.
@@rushpatriot2866we have no idea what kind of training jiren has been doing since the top, plus we never saw him go full power from the beginning nor be allowed to kill, in addition to that he and toppo have been learning about the power of trust since the top which as we all know is the strongest dragon ball power
@@dankerbell it'll be def interesting, honestly hope there will be a new tournament where everyone goes to thier max power, even bringing cell back would be cool for the tournament.
I love the black freeza more and I haven’t even seen the color scheme yet lol. However I know when we see the form on a volume cover or maybe Toyotaro drawing it with color we will see how dope it is
Both are good Golden frieza represented him mocking the legend he always feared But black frieza represents his pure evil nature and how his potential is infinite like an abyss.
I personally think he spared them because he doesn’t want to be under anyone including beerus and he knows whis can just resurrect them so it does nothing this way at least he gets to enjoy their agony about their weakness
whis can't resurrect them cuz an angel can't interfere in mortal's life, if goku die by the hand of frieza whis can't do shit or he will be cancelled like merus
@@nebulous001 Because he helped them save their whole universe which is an absolute favorable gift for something that grand so I don’t expect Whis to resurrect them if they lose to a mortal villain really
@@uchihabomber1296 Fair point, I’d also argue with Whis rewinding time when Frieza destroyed the planet. But I know there was the conversation with the Grand Priest in the anime at least, that it was for the food or something along those lines. I just find the ideas to be weirdly enforced. Like with Merus how is it that different then when Whis rewound time to stop Earth from being destroyed, idk maybe intent has a major factor or something.
Seth I joined your channel because of these dragon ball videos you’re literally what I base my arguments on you’re just so dope and logical I instantly clicked when I see dbz-s content
I really hope beerus gets involved in some way here I feel like he's done next to no serious combat in dbs so his power level is never directly shown, only described by people who don't know how fully strong he is. If he goes from top tier to not a relevant character it'd be disappointing
Reasons why beerus will never become irrelevant He's name is base on the Cat of Toriyama He's the character that Goku wants to surpassed And he One Shotted a famous Gag Character.
it's simple. in the first 4 months freeza made noob gains since he never trained before. After his body got used to training he started getting diminishing returns. So he won't get the same insane multiplier as his did between namek and resurrection F, but it's still probably not linear either as he clearly got more than 30x stronger.
Bingo!! Same with running. I can't run much faster miles than I do now training since my body is now used to it (approx 7 min). I would have to train for much longer to get just a little bit faster towards 6 mins. Same with Frieza here. He took 10 years but it's not that crazy first 4 months power up he got for ROF. He's done a lot of perfecting his Black form.
since your using gym logic, you can also assume he probabbly had some cheat days. Even the most disciplined body builders and power lifters have days off, to even weeks, which is time not being spent studying and training. Especially with how pompous frieza is, its safe to assume he had a few spa days
I’d like to think Frieza likes being the strongest in the universe and therefore needs both goku and vegeta to be alive for that to have any value in his eyes. He might even keep them alive until he thinks they are a treat now. I personally hope they keep frieza as a final vilain for the series.
He told it in the Tournament of Power. he want to put all gods down ^^ or atlest make them kneel to him. not even the Gods, he want to get even higher now.
What if he's just 2x goku and vegeta and he only let them live because he's grown a soft spot for their constant fights, and not because he's just so strong they'll never catch up in his mind. He's come to enjoy a challenge like they do by being around them. It would make sense seeing as most of the villians become Goku's friend that Freeza someone who arguably is irredeemable would remain an antagonist but it be something more of a "i'm gonna do what I want so that you'll come stop me and we can fight" type antagonist that while is dangerous and would still enslave the entire universe and destroy everything that go in his way doesn't want to just outright eliminate the only people that ever give him a run for his money either. Like how joker won't kill Batman.
Even with the way he just bursts in and kills all the major villians for the arc and steals the spotlight it's like he's made his playmates are focusing on someone else besides him and he wants that spotlight. Narcississssssmmmmm
Db and dbz were a big part of my childhood, it taught me that perfection takes time and hard work that could take decades, it taught me that measurements of ones dedication can tell you the quality of person you're dealing with. Dbs teaches none of that.
I was surprised seeing Frieza smile they way he did when Oil and Maki accepted his offer to be his chef and waitress. Most genuine, non malicious smile I ever saw Frieza make lol
I mean hey, Frieza admitted to having never trained before dying to Goku so him getting so strong so fast as he did kind of tracks. Having that baseline power means loads of potential.
Frieza did say he one day hopes to surpass beerus and all the gods out there and one day even Zeno. I don’t think 10 years of training has done anything close to that tbh but we’ll see. I think he will need super shenron or super shenrons creator for his insane goals
Friezas training wouldn't yield linear results. The longer he trains he wouldn't get the same results he got in 4 months. It would take exponentially more training to get the same results. Law of diminished returns.
Yup, which is why Goku/Vegeta training for 3 years does nearly nothing for their powers now, the only time they really grow is if they're forced to push through their limits
Frieza vs. Beerus would be an amazing fight, and I hope his new form is building up to that outcome. I hope Vegeta and Goku can master their new forms one-on-one with Beerus and Whis, respectively.
I don't see how even Fusion would be enough right now (unless they train first) 10 years......that's absurd. I honestly see Broly as being the key. His growth surpassed years within a couple hours. But he'll need to learn self control and still grow stronger.
Most of his growth was before he turned ssj even paragus saw ikari broly starting to lose to blue goku,and even in his full power state he was taking forever to catch up to broly…vegeta bout the only one that can benefit from frieza because he is at a higher power than broly at the moment and he gets stronger the harder his soul is into the battle.
@@DanielLopez-dv4uw Vegeta is stronger than Broly yes but Ultra Ego ain't shit lol just makes him a good punching bag and his "growth" wasn't even that noticable.
Whenever a character trains to get better they are limited by the reference of who they are trying to beat. So Frieza's training likely wasn't linear, even if his potential power is limitless.
Well he did chase after Goku&Vegeta as they were the only real worthy opponents for him. After discovering all the potential threats to himself through ToP and god sagas he probably just decided to go all out and aim to surpass everyone. He was always chasing that prestige of being at the peak
Goten or Bulla could have even more potential, being half saiyans that have S cells from much stronger versions of their father’s. Goten was conceived during a period where Goku has SSJ and ascended SSJ form, and great training in general. And his potential is showed a bit when he easily got SSJ form just by a little training with Chi Chi. And Bulla has S cells from SSB Vegeta, so you know she’d be extremely strong.
@@jacobgreene4331 Yeah, that’s for sure. They’re probably only gonna focus on the whole work together fusion thing between Goten and Trunks anytime they do get a fight or screen time.
I am so hyped for the next arc because Freeza will be even more of a threat to our heroes than he ever was before. He one shot three G.O.D level fighters (Gas, Goku, and Vegeta) like they were mere fleas compared to him because they currently are. This could be the Infinity war of the Dragon Ball franchise with Freeza having a similar role as Thanos.
If we’re taking into a account that the manga scaling is different and frieza’s potential stays consistent then I’d put him at multiversal. If it was anime frieza then he’d be atleast multiversal+ considering dbs characters have no problem jumping entire levels of infinity nowadays.
@@9999-k9q i’m talking about with his full power,your stalling off something he was capable of doing easily knowing that why are you scaling how strong he is ..smh
This is just a whole other tier of madness. I could imagine Freeze invading every universe and trying to rule over them and starting an interdimensional war. Be fun to watch Jiren return and every other fighter getting demolished. Wish they had focused on skill instead of power. After this arc, the next villain is going to be so strong, one punch wipes out a galaxy.
I find it hard to believe that Frieza would have survived fighting with broly for that long, I think it would have made for a good plot point if they went out of their way to bring Frieza back again
I’m perfectly okay with them giving Frieza another upgrade. I love the old villains and I hope they keep getting upgrades. I do have to agree though that it would be cheap to just have Goku or Vegeta killing Frieza by themselves and he should be killed by an ultra instinct/ego fused goku and vegeta
I think Frieza may have accurately predicted the Final or end of Z potential for all the Z fighters. I think the only reason he had not killed them was either because of Beerus or to draw out more of his own potential if not use them as a gauge for his power. I also believe the difference in power is similar to what he was to Kaioken Goku in the Namek ark. That Frieza could brush off a x20 power difference like nothing. A spirit bomb only being able to hurt him on the technicality of how truly evil he was. Frieza was able to hang roughly with SS1 Goku which I believe is a x50 multiplier. So Frieza at least would have to be at a x50 multiplier not from Goku or Vegeta exactly but at the strongest individual or fused fighter he has accurately seen and gauged which would have been Gogeta. Including all abilities up to that point that serve as a power amplifier. So he has to be at least x50 from SSB Gogeta and stronger if not confident in a confrontation with any powered up variation of Gogeta to include Kaioken, SSB evolution, or even Ultra instinct. If not multiple times stronger than those variants. For the simple fact that Frieza is not simply okay with barely winning but overkill and torture. So he would have to be in a position to confidently do either or both. He is not in for the thrill of battle but the thrill of domination. I also like the comparison of Frieza and Aizen and believe that Frieza does seek to a type of god hood if not try and exalt himself to a position on, equal to, or beyond the dragon ball Pantheon. Not so much by force but by technicality of leadership, or as an employer. Bringing a type of order to his Universe much better than Beerus has as sort of a defacto God of Destruction. Not to really beat Beerus in might but qualification for his position and have his rule recognized by the Dragon Ball Pantheon if not the Omni King himself. By showing that under his rule no matter how brutal or sadistic has brought more order to Universe 7 than Beerus has or a God of Destruction could so "why not let me expand my empire" and "give me a backing or perks" while I bring the necessary destruction and order to Universe 7 if not any universe that needs it. Not as a God of Destruction but as an Emperor on his own terms per say.
Well said. These guys completed Arcs and trained with Gods to achieve powers equal to evolution not development. Note, SSJ1 to SSJ2 is developmental but SSJ3 to SSG is evolutionary in terms of power. Something which they couldn't with training alone. YET!!!!! Frieza trained alone and came and defeated Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct. Great man
I’m just glad that friezas the strongest, the whole “beast gohan is stronger than anyone” thing was so undeserved and out of left field. Frieza actually put the work in and came in like a badass🙏 he literally made the ending of this arc really good, love to see it
Reminds me of Rage Trunks. Dude is about Buu arc power, and because he’s really really mad, pulls some god pseudo form out of his ass. There’s no reason Gohan should be at that level, he hasn’t even trained that much since Buu and slacked off a lot. It’s like they’re using GT logic… time = power increase apparently.
@@shecklesmack9563 Just about anyone in super who does any fighting completely gaps buu arc characters. trunks being able to fight any form of dbs goku after battle of gods means he's one tapping the buu arc.
Frieza is one of my favorite characters in db and the thing I liked about him is that he was always pure evil, obviously they can't do this, but I would've kinda preferred if Frieza just killed Goku and Vegeta proving his dominance and the two have to do some random stuff idk training or something in otherworld and a time skip happens where they're brought back to life or like.a Buu saga situation and clap Frieza with super Saiyan rainbow or something CD
@Broly Also, being fully alone for that long makes ANYONE apreciate other life forms much more, he felt awful being trapped in paradise from the moment he died in Fukkatsu no F to when he was revived for the Tournament of Power. Frieza was already a genius, cold, calculated and classy, he was a noble king, a genuine blue blood Emperor with class and aristocrat nature. Coming out of a Time Room for 10 years , his mind became probably much deeper, not like he's good or anything, but he probably realized how pointless and boring it would be for the entire universe to be empty, and Frieza has himself stated to dislike having the gods being above him. I think his main target will be Beerus.
He got golden frieza in just a year of training…I wouldn’t doubt that black frieza is his newest oldest form…he could have 3-5 stacked up for all we know😭…it’s just hard to believe frieza would only have one new form in 10 years time…
The scariest part is that considering how much frieza improved in 4 months, this one-shotting ga was probably not even from the first year of his decade of training.
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He closed the gap from namek saga super saiyan to super saiyan blue in 4 months, it should be no surprise that he would demolish Goku after 10 straight years worth of training. As for how he would compare to someone like Beerus, that is unknown, reason is that the writers keep making Beerus more powerful than we thought, people thought that moro arc Goku could beat Beerus but turns out Beerus was still about that.
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@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 Lazy isnt even the word. They just keep being like, just kidding beerus is actually more powerful over and over again.
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 Beerus is a benchmark he's gonna be stronger than goku until they fight again until then ya that's Beerus whole character
Lazy Writing has been DBs specialty for a while now lmao.
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 Meerus is a low tier angel, Beerus is possibly the strongest god of destruction, Beerus > Meerus
What's scarier than Frieza's power level? His prep. When he's done conquering the multiverse, Frieza should settle down as a RUclipsr and make insanely accurate Power Analysis videos.
I know this is a meme but can freiza sense powerlevels? He couldn't in namek.
@le Zanji🇷🇺 also can he sense God ki? Piccolo couldn't so idk if freiza can.
@@aprofessionalgamer5355 he can sense power levels now.
Frieza with prep time might be the only thing in the multiverse more powerful than Batman with prep time.
@@dyent na batman with prep time solos fiction no diff
I literally hypothesized this with my cousin months ago, I said to him, "If frieza can jump from namek to blue level power in 4 months, imagine if he trained like goku and vegeta!" Then boom, they put him in the room of spirit and time.
I always found it funny that if freeza trained for 30 minutes he would casually slap super saiyan 1
Most people did heck the anime and manga mentions that freiza only training for the first time only for a few months was amazing
Dudes potential is unbelievable
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..... Vegeta literally said it in the Broly movie
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Frieza's now back to where he was when we first met him: godlike and unbeatable.
Not really beerus whis the exempt universes and unknown fighters jiren havnt been shown yet black frieza still have to tip toe around what he does because he really isn't the strongest lol like in namek
So far, Frieza remains the one villain who never really joinned the hero's team. He's the true master villain of the entire series!
@@humbertojimmycell?
@@thisisanoldemaildonotreply7045 Sure, Cell too. But i mean those who have had the *chance* to join the heroes. Cell was defeated and never came back.
Unbeatable? Not even close. Goku showed him mercy all along the point he became a Super Saiyan.
I believe Beerus is the yardstick the writers don't want anyone surpassing. Whenever Goku and Vegeta reach a new level we learn Beerus can still destroy any threat their facing. So Frieza is still probably weaker than Beerus. Beerus just gets stronger due to plot .
It's horrible writing. They said in BoG that Goku in god was roughly equal to 70% beerus while goku was using 80%
@@Splishy27 DBZ BoG movie and DBS BoG arc aren't the same.
Yet for some reason VsBattles ranks Beerus and Whis lower than the Dragon Ball Heroes characters when he could probably merc Mechikabura
@@rishirajsaikia1323 another reason why it's terrible writing
Beerus has gotta be the strongest god of destruction ever, I mean suppressed Jiren was stated to be "on the level of a destroyer god or maybe even surpassed it" by Whis. Then we get a rather confusing line in Broly where Goku implies Broly could be "as strong as Beerus" idk what they want us to think anymore.
Frieza is actually just the definition of "That Guy"
Edit: Damn, these likes are insane 🤣
No. It’s da definition of overrused and overrated.
@@supersaiyangodvegtio9590 lol you’re just mad he didn’t have coolers form
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@@supersaiyangodvegtio9590 nah, as long as has purpose he’s fine being back
Strangely enough, I'm not so sure that Frieza is doing this purely out of hatred of Goku anymore. I think he genuinely wants to get stronger, which is why he left Goku and Vegeta alive, so they could challenge him again, and thereby help him surpass his limits once again. Frieza may be after something with all of that strength. Perhaps he's trying to gain enough strength to match and even surpass the great Zen-Oh.
No one touch Zeno before they face the great priest.
i agree i think frieza is no longer interested in killing the z fighters and specifically goku and vegeta, or at least is less concerned with the idea of it.
i think he's going to end up just being a really strong character to parralel goku and vegeta as the series progresses.
But with thst being said either way i find it more believeable that frieza training hard for 10 solid years is an easier sell than random new characters making a wish with the dragon balls for power surpassing goku or vegeta who possess power far above the amount that caused all gods of destruction to stand up and pay respect to in the TOP, doesn't feel as believable when new characters with no build up or backstory come into play and have that level of strength, just feels cheap moreless.
Yeah, i dont think Frieza hates goku anymore.. At least like he did on Namek or the movie, it feels different. Frieza will never be an ally, but it feels more like rival territory right now. I suppose we just need to see Friezas end game and what he really wants.
ZenO is not strong power wise - he just has insanely powerful one shot techniques like- erasing the universe. Frieza won't have nothing against something like that. Unless Frieza's power is 100x the universe and ZenO is it capable of destroying a power of a few universes at a time.
@@whitetiger39619 he never had to try was the whole point, he'd NEVER had to bother before....EVER in that universe
The one thing not mentioned is Vegetas Ultra Ego, it's not just a power up, he gets stronger the more damage he takes, so Frieza knocking Vegeta out of his UE form with no increase in power shows just how strong he's gotten.
Nah u dead js made a good point I was on board with frieza being damn near unstoppable now but now it’s official
The problem here with ultra ego. Yes it makes its user more powerful when they survive blows. Frieza at this point in the manga should be able to kill Vegeta. Not allowing ultra ego to become useful
@@ripcityblazers7574or ego has a limit to it's form the more gap of strength someone is to Vegeta
so does mean if vegeta becomes a god if destruction, black frieza is still more powerful
Didn’t he off guard them though and hit them n a vital spot the weakest spot on a person besides the black area is the stomach he knocked them out of their forms I’m pretty sure they could go back in them I think they are still relevant to frieza maybe not stronger but DBz isn’t all about power he was stronger when he went full gold but couldn’t manage his power right! Ui n Ue are different techniques one is about focus and perfect strikes and the body reacting on its own the other is about rage countering and attacking ! Frieza new form might have its own niche at this moment we don’t know ! If beerus would’ve felt he was going to be rivaled by ui he would’ve already fought them n he did he told vegeta that he was more like a million yrs away n didn’t even get serious ! So I think it was just an off guard attack I think head up it would be more of a high or mid diff rather than a no diff
We also have to take into account the type of training Frieza did. In ROF he legit became SSBlue level in 4 months by beating the shit out of one of his subordinates, that's all. Him being in a time chamber-like area with the intense pressure and whatever training he did for ten whole years would be far more intense than pretty much anything he's done before.
Good point.
@@zstroke9556 That wasn’t base frieza, when Gas dashes over to fight him, frieza transformed into his black form for 2 panels, one-shotting him, then detransforming.
@@clickboat4790 I mist that , thank you for telling me .
The 4 month training bullshit is still lazy writing in my eyes
@@karimali9699 Just curious why tho? He never trained in his whole life at that time, He is basically the Broly in his own race (Abnormal), and a prodigy
I saw a summary of Freiza that emphasizes that he is actually a prodigy, and getting his ass handed time and again made him truly learn. And as a prodigy he trained and powered up fast
I mean yea, considering how strong he was (as nearly as ssj1) without ever training or lifting a finger before.😆 quite impressive tbh, how inherent and naturally gifted (strong) he is.
Extremely powerful that Beerus out of nowhere called for goku and vegeta to train at his planet immediately. He dunked over their new transformations like nothing
No all they need to do is Train in the time chamber for 10 years just like he did, y’all forget sayians grow at an absurd rate to.
@@GuyVick we are very aware of the spotlight Saiyans have in the story. I’m glad Frieza rolled them, weakened or not.
@@GuyVick Yes, but Frieza grows at an even more absurd rate than Saiyans, with just a few months of training he went from Namek saga level to catching up to SSB Goku.
@@kingofcrap4414 and goku can surpass him again.
@@KCMFoTheERG fair enough
Frieza committing to training for ten whole years non-stop is honestly some of the craziest character growth/development in the entire series.
Nope he was in the chamber which just fast forward the time.He could be in there for like 10mins lol
pretty sure it still feels like 10 years
@@discountmorty213 Ηe was there 10 days in real time but he experienced those days as years.
@@discountmorty213 he would come put after 10 days for people outside the chamber but for people outside but for frieza it would still be 10 years
it's not development at all 😂 that's not how story telling works
I have this feeling that frieza will start his plan to defeat the gods as he has always hinted at in the anime.
Frieza the Godkiller saga
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@@spoicygato5961 exacta!
@@spoicygato5961 he definitely goin for champa first
@@millyqvlogs3852 nah straight to zeno
@@spoicygato5961 that would make me interested in DBS again. it would be nice to have a slightly darker/more serious arc for a change.
Frieza has done a complete character arc growth and 180. He has done what he has despised the most for all of his life. He has trained for years now and has become a WARRIOR. He used to believe he was above such primal and trivial matters, but was humbled several times. Now he takes his position seriously and claim his position as the emperor of the universe again! Love it all.
frieza really is one of y fav characters couldnt have said it better'
Damn. Idk how u could actually make all the DBS and especially Frieza and this new color wheel fanfiction level power BS sound good and redeemable but u did it
@@mihailmilev9909 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for that compliment! That lore context does give this stuff meaning as a longtime fan.
when you said "He has done what he despised the most for all of his life" i fr thought you were gonna say "he became a monkey" 💀
@@OreoCrimson bruh 😭 meanwhile he's the one with an actual tail still intact 🤣🤔
Black Frieza is the definition of 'when talent decide to work hard'.
And also “when plot says yes “
@@amuroray9115 so no different than the main protag.
@@blazeking5778 you are right
@@amuroray9115 you a Gundam fan?
@@NoodleKing-ey8ze yup. Why?
I would love to see Frieza vs Beerus where Frieza isn't just stomped. Beerus being this unstoppable wall has gotten old and he's proven himself an incompetent god. Having him actually have to fight to keep his position or be punished for his complacency would be pretty cathartic
I just keep thinking. With all these character powerups, Uub must be REALLY strong. Unimaginable potential lol
Uub gotta have the greatest potential saddely we may never see that potential ever
@@sweetac3217 I think we will eventually. He’s been built up since the Tournament of Power Arc, and it’s not like Dragon Ball to leave plot threads completely unanswered. They also provide some type of answer to an opened plot thread.
Bruh at this point at the end of this Uub could probably beat Saitama
@@nixuniverse5240 "and it’s not like Dragon Ball to leave plot threads completely unanswered"
They actually do this sometimes.
@@thehomiedan6378 Saitama couldn't lick cells boots bruh
He swallowed his pride and became what he hated the most. Frieza's power level is definitely valid here.
Wait? Frieza hate blacks?
@@TrashmanCZ he did. Now hes become one
He hates saiyans and calls them monkeys, but idk about black people lol. Now that i think about it, are there even black saiyans? They look white (or asian?)
@Jugger Not🔧 trunks: "dont hold your fire! This man is black!"
Frieza hated saiyans not the color black lol wtf you guys need to stop reaching
Frieza literally has the Black Air Force Energy showing on his body now damn he's got true hatred and flexing going on
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no hes just black now, no black air force anything cause he has literally become a nigga
He went from Riches to rages to riches again, he truly is Black Air Force. He might dethrone Kid Buu for that title
I mean i think it's pretty self explanatory when Beerus was shocked when he heard Goku had beaten Frieza. Because Beerus knows Friezas potential.
Beerus fought a monster that was easily stronger than SS3, which clearly is far higher than form 4 freiza.
Beerus absolutely knows how strong Freiza can get.
@@FierceDeity35 Who did beerus fight that was stronger than ssj3 goku?
@@FierceDeity35 Who did beerus fight that was stronger than ssj3 goku?
@jantheking7028 the chief on that one planet in bog.
@@FierceDeity35 Why do yall think he was stronger than ssj3? Beerus wasn't even trying against him
Hi Seth. It was also stated in the Broly novel that Frieza was strong enough to make Broly avoid taking his attacks if he had the chance to. So Frieza could actually hurt SSJ Broly.
That doesn't really make too much sense as we know the forms Goku and Vegeta were using were on par with Gold Frieza. Meaning if Frieza could cause injury then so could they, and they clearly all 3 got their asses clapped.
@@masonrieber8674 Frieza would just be stronger than Goku and Vegeta then? Lmao
Or maybe frieza got stronger faster than they did, which he can clearly do…
@@masonrieber8674 Maybe Frieza was already training at that point
source?
A “GT time skip of hardcore training” is the most accurate description of what Frieza did
Plus we can't really forget the level whis is at. He stopped planet Moro's punch with a finger while Goku was struggling in mui. Whis is probably something none of these guys will reach anytime soon
or ever and if they do it could be at the end of the series for good unless there's other universes besides the one they show and their power scaling is beyond anything we've seen so far
Oh we all know the Angels are all on a tier of their own. There’s no doubt about that
They're also not exactly capable of beating Beerus yet.
I don't follow Dragon Ball, but GOSH DANG. The first two minutes and twenty seconds of this video have a ridiculously effective way of communicating the sheer level of microcosm-encompassing, wholehearted coldness and badassery that frieza exudes. Like DAYUM. His latest form is frieza black because of the unprecedented level of black airforce energy.
Imagine if Frieza kills lord Beerus in this arc and we get to see a bloodlusted Whis. That'd be insane.
I doubt whis would honestly care tbh. As an angel he's trained to be completely indifferent, and besides, even if he did get bloodlusted, he would be erased if he teied to fight because angels aren't allowed to fight. Though it would be fun, i don't think seeing whis fight will be possible 😭😭👨
When Friza was resurrected he said, "What could be more sulerberious for a conquerer than the motivation to become so strong he's never dethroned again." So I think he kept them alive so he doesn't become complacent again. He could've lost his empire and life to Elec or someone else thats powerhungry if he never had the motivation to train. And those kind of ops would make sure Friza wouldn't be revived. Thanks to his on going, mutually beneficial, rivalry with the Sayians, he spared them. So Friza had some development as he can see beyond his vendetta
"Sulerberious" that's not even a word and I agree with ya!
@@Whodjathink *salubrious
This is honestly a fantastic view of the situation, I'm sticking with this as my headcanon
True, Frieza knows their capabilities and he knows they’ll get stronger so he thinks when they get stronger he will because essentially that’s happened ever since he started training
You nailed it. Frieza has his sights set on the being top g, and needs the rivalry to keep him strong.
Personally I would hope that having Freiza become THIS overpowered is to establish him as a boss villain (similar to his original role in the namek arc).
Having him on that pedestal allows for more side stories in which Goku and Vegeta can slowly attempt to catch up to him (this should "realistically" take them many years to do).
What I would like to see the most is Freiza embarking on a multiversal conquest, or some present kind of multiversal scale threat that Goku and Vegeta aren't quite ready for- this would reintroduce some level of "stake" in Dragon Ball as wishing everyone back with the dragon balls isn't possible if the balls and the entire universe they come from are either under Freiza's control, or at risk of destruction. This also allows for side character like Jiren and Hit to return possibly on the side of the heroes or as anti-heroes playing their part in stopping Freiza.
As well as Broly, Gohan, and Piccolo who are now reaching similar levels
I don't think they want Frieza to be a villain and just die again. He spared Goku and Vegeta after one shotting them which means he's goal is not to kill them anymore which might mean the developers want to keep Frieza around possibly to become next God of destruction since Vegeta can't really be one because he has a family on earth.
@@the_sam_strong Oh no, Frieza still wants to kill them, but like Sett said, Frieza is just THAT confident in his abilities that he can leave them alive and off them whenever he wants.
Genius idea actually and this is the only way they can save it plus it would be sick
@@good8619 I don't think so. Perhaps he wants them to live knowing to be weaker than him but he doesn't want to kill them anymore or else he would have done it right there and then...
I think we also need to add that the 10 years of training could have also affected Frieza mentally. He trained for 4 months in Res F but he's never dedicated himself to something that long. It could have completely changed his viewpoint on things. Not saying he's good but he might have a reason for keeping Goku and Vegeta around
Dragonball isn't that complex sadly,so he'll still try to kill them.
BINGO, *that's* what I want to believe! Gosh in the hands of good writers, this could be a WONDERFUL, wonderful thing for Dragon Ball. Freeza was LITERALLY a spoiled tyrant, and hadn't ever even attempted training or anything exactly "martial" in his life before RezF. TEN. YEARS. of actual training? Putting in work?
Personally, my hope is that RezF wasn't just a nostalgia grab, but hopefully the first step in a LONG game... we even got Freeza back for the ToP, and he quietly tanked Broly's rage while showing some (adorable *shakes her head grinning* ) character growth... He didn't want to "take the fun out of the game" by wishing for something like immortality, invincibility, or even more power. He still HATES those monkeys, but even in Broly we saw depth. This new Freeza iced Elec and Gas, but very genially recruited the others and deliberately wasted Goku and Vegeta (healed, post-zenkai, in their "mastered" new forms) with NO visible desire to taunt, tease, torture... or kill.
My personal hope is that this is the new Emperor Freeza, he's on top in terms of power, but rolls more like Cao Cao or Oda Nobunaga... not just evil for evil's sake, but intelligent, manipulative, very thoughtful, and genuinely has a long term plan for the universe aside from just "I'm Lord Freeza." Hoping against hope that this is a Freeza that fulfills the glimpses we saw in the ToP of manipulating the gods, dominating the universe, and essentially starts treating more and more people like he used to treat Ginyu. His goal no longer just killing the monkeys, he now realizes his truest strengths and isn't even the most evil thing in the universe. Keep in mind, the old Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta under orders but also because he feared the potential of the legendary Super Saiyan. THIS Freeza KNOWS the potential of his two monkey foes, but he's willing to let them stay alive. He's either so overpowered now that it's a joke, or he's done exactly as you said, he's changed.
..... *bows respectfully, sliding her palms down the front of her thighs Japanese curtsy* thank you for letting me comment to you, um... is that you, Beerus-sama? There are so few purple cats, sir. Best wishes :D :)
(I *REALLY* hope they have genuinely been planning for Freeza to be something serious for Dragon Ball, and we get a new "normal" rather than just an "arc" with him in it. I would love to see the Dragonverse go back to being ruled by Emperor Freeza and see what comes of that)
I'm not surprised at all that Frieza decided to keep them around. Even before his 10 years of training, he was starting to get to a point where he was beginning to actually enjoy fighting against them, Goku especially.
Nice theory, but Frieza came to deal the Heeters, Goku & Vegeta just happened to be there. He could tell they weren't at their full strength, so his W over them would be hollow. Although Namek Frieza would have just merked them zero fucks given. So instead he embarrasses them in their strongest forms with ease, and says he'll clap them cheeks another day. Confident in his new strength that they'll never pass him.
@@tenidrxpz9826 “he’ll kill them” yet leaves thems after being able to kill them with 1 hit.
I think freeza is starting to feel the thrill of getting stronger and pushing his limits. Back then, he didn't feel the need to train because he saw himself as the most powerful in the universe. Now that he knows he can go much further and beyond, he wants Goku and Vegeta to continue in pushing him to his fullest potential
Yep. It's a slippery slope. First you train a little, then you start to like it, then you realize Goku was right all along, become his friend and give up your evil ways in favor of sparring all the time to see just how strong you can actually get.
@@sethb3090frieza will never turn good it’s just not in his character too do that
@@garlicamvs6235 just enjoy the shitpost smh haha
Would would happen is that now black freiza has accomplished his new form, he will be after Beerus next.
Black Freiza will kill Beerus in the next Arc, and for once Goku and Vegeta are worthless against freiza and it will be up to either Broly or Gohan to defeat Black Freiza.
It’s not “Can he beat Goku?” Now. It’s “Can he beat Frieza?” 😂
EXACTLY
Is he beating Frieza though.
Well it will be like that until the writers introduce ultra giga goku prime one billion
@@Prince-wo6ob 😂😂😂
AND HE CAN BREATH IN SPACE
Frieza’s potential is probably even higher than Gohan’s at this point
Nah not gohan. Gohan just huffs and puffs and becomes ui gogeta level
Not according to Akira
Highest potential broly as well
@@httshiden5986 lmao the way u said this was mad funny 😂
@@httshiden5986 hes just built diffrent he has blanco energy
he's strong enough for the n word pass, probably the strongest in DB
Piccolo >
W
Lmao
Staff officer Black comes to mind.
Lmao
I really appreciate the time you take to build your hypothesis and think your way through these videos
I really think that Frieza did and is training to take the place of Beerus as the God of Destruction, with goals to defeat the Grand Priest and even the Omni King(s). Seeing Gas disintegrated like he did really solidifies that for me. After Frieza experiencing the destruction ki first hand and overcoming it and even redirecting it, Frieza may have just tried to mimic that same ki and manifest it into his own ki during his 10 year training, making Frieza a serious threat to even Beerus. Also Frieza leaving as he did shows that Frieza WILL be the main antagonist going forward. That power level LEAGUES beyond what Goku and Vegeta are currently at just seems like a goal that both of them now need to achieve in order to even scratch the surface that is Frieza.
Beerus would slap frieza still
Frieza is no where near to being a threat to Beerus
Beerus used what .001% of his true power against a Max Power SSG Goku who is represented as The Literal Savior of the Univerese. Even Black Frieza now has no chance against Beerus lol...
@@veevendetta3448 not max power ssg goku toriyama said gokus never used more than 20% of his power because his body couldn't handle it
All goku and vegeta have to do is go in a time chamber with whis and broly and beerus . Friez reached his limit given he stopped at 10 when he could of gone more
There is another thing to think about when it comes to the ten years Frieza trained and that is he trained alone. He probably had to do exercises over and over again just to get the results he wanted. He also probably hit some limits when it came to his training wich he had to find ways on his own to break them.
Piccolo in early Z had a great solution to no training partners. He just used Tien's multi-form technique and fought himself. Wonder if Frieza managed to do something similar. Its not optimal but it beats having no partner at all. Sadly there's only so much one can do alone without a rival to contest against.
Actually he says WE got stronger. That means there's someone else allied to frieza who's close to his level. Cooler might be canon
@@vegitosaysalright2365 he was in another universe.
@@vegitosaysalright2365 Where did he say "We"? I can't recall when he implied there was a second person with him.
You know, there's always the possibility that Beerus is also training actively again to keep up his top spot.
The writers can always write that in just to explain why 2 arcs later Beerus one shots Color Swaped frieza.
@@nathanlamont9920 I mean they could. They did that for Roshi in hindsight.
beerus can use UI and we are yet to see it, imagine the difference from base goku to base beerus could be the same as UI goku to UI beerus
There's no point of saying he's training actively. Beerus over a million years old, you don't know what training he went to compared to frieza who just trained for pnly 10 years...
Weak argument.
Suggesting that a being that is hundreds or thousands of years old suddenly just got much better with a few weeks' training is kinda dumb as it suggests they were sitting on their ass for the whole time
Damn, it’s kinda crazy to see these videos after what happened
really i was enjoyin this shit so much then i saw the channel name
What happened?
Edit: Nvm I know now, I wish I wouldn't.
@@Necr0ticus yeah, it really sucks
What happened?
@@jonathankusin9509 look at my reply to the other guy
Dude. Imagine if Cell was left alive with Frieza and Saiyan DNA. He would be such a massive power house it's ridiculous.
Also I want Frieza to achieve a form similar to Cooler's form.
Doesnt he already have frieza and saiyan cells ?
@@WiiSage he does, that's why I said it.
Cell has the most Potential imo
I really really really wanted an after credits scene where Cell reformed into his OG form (but with a little red to show he's still improved), would have been great to have him alive and out there again.
@@WiiSage what they're saying is what if he was alive today considering his dna not if he had it
Frieza instantly took out the Top 3 people in the universe without breaking a sweat. I actually can't see Goku and Vegeta beating him any time soon AT ALL
Not unless they go in the time chamber for at least 8 years lol
@@triple466 more like 50 years
It's DB super dude remember the same writing that had android 17 comparable with blue Goku with training to fight poachers. The same show that had Gohan get a ultra instinct level power boost with no training despite being buu saga prior to this with a new form they pulled out there ass.
More than likely Goku's going to get a True ultra instinct 2 kaioken x100
And Vegeta will have some new BS like a true royale ultra ego mastered god of destruction form.
Goku went from getting oneshot by Granolah in UI, to tanking that same attack in ssb... and you think goku or vegeta can’t defeat frieza? Lmao
@@realtruth1448 Well, they did..,.kinda....ya know.....got one shot by FRIEZA casually.....sooooo yea, they can't beat Frieza.
Most likely they'll have Beerus still be stronger than Frieza but they can create some real tension if Frieza even stepped to Beerus but I doubt it.
It’s not logical because, frieza is far more powerful than vegeto
I would absolutely adore a Frieza vs Beerus fight. It could be so easy to set up. Frieza is the emperor of the universe, and Beerus is the God of Destruction.
Two people who believe they rule the Universe
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 why isn't logical? If Frieza is stronger than Vegito now then he should absolutely step to Beerus
@@malcolmroache3854 who said vegito is stronger than beerus ?
@@malcolmroache3854 frieza is stronger than beerus
After coming back to this and thinking about it, the idea Frieza was training for Beerus seems very likely. However, that threat to destroy Frieza still lingers and he leaves them alive. I think that despite his excessive training, Beerus may likely still be just that much stronger than even Black Frieza. The wish to become the strongest warrior in the universe may very well be completely ignoring Beerus. He's a God, not a warrior. Knowing that Beerus also dropped a full power Blue Evolution Vegeta at the start of the arc with just one move really sets that despite everything, Beerus still is that terrifying.
My theory is that Frieza spared them so they could push him to get stronger, you know how saiyans need someone stronger then them to push them to new heights a rival..thats how friaza views them as a rival
lol now he can't kill them because they motivate him too much
@@aerystargaryenii2565 yeah
@@aerystargaryenii2565 looks like they rubbed off on him
@@aerystargaryenii2565 what character development
Bro he left them because he wanted to humiliate them and let them know they are not a threat(he couldn’t keep losing to saiyans his whole life)
Freeza strikes me as someone who learned from his mistake in RoF. In finding the room of spirit and time, I believe he would do enough training to ensure that nothing is able to stand in his way. This includes Beerus. Of course, Beerus has been kind of proven to be a moving goal post, probably doing his own training while the boys aren't around to ensure he stays on top, but it wouldn't surprise me if Freeza chose to stay the ten years purely because he wanted to ensure that everyone would be trivial opponents, like his life was pre-Namek.
While it is absurd to use any measures of his growth scale from F to now, Freeza is one of those infinite potential types due to him already being closeish to SSJ Goku on Namek without having trained a day in his life. It should be kept in mind that no matter how you spin it, Freeza will always have ridiculous growth if he truly aims for it.
Genetics
@@sohn7767
Bad writing.
@@Pixiuchu
And yes, that is how RUclips goes. No one puts effort in.
@@Captain_Ista rather that than pulling a new bland character out the villain factory
@@Captain_Ista there is also something called wasted effort. Your entire last paragraph is just one word: genetics. I was helping you find the right word
This video was Hype!! The music and Freiza specs🔥🔥🔥
Frieza wanted to spare them so that he gets stronger. Think about it: He *WANTS* them to get stronger so that he becomes even stronger than them at the previous hurdle. Frieza has a training ability in which he is now exploiting, as I also see him manipulating Goku and Vegeta to train with him. Frieza doesn't want to kill them; he wants them to dominate them and make sure they submit to his Supreme Being.
They do make an interesting trio in that regard. All three of them motivate eacother to new heights in roundabout ways. Goku and Vegeta are traditional rivals, and Frieza is kind of like that outlier of a rival to both of them alongside his role as occasional enemy. Those 3 training or even grudgingly fighting as a reluctant team vs some bigger enemy would be quite something to behold.
Honestly, I'm glad Freeza is still around, but it's kinda of a dick move by the Dragon Team to just let Freeza stick around, considering how Freeza is out actively slaughtering millions everyday.
It makes them look like assholes.
@@Xeno574 They probably don't give a shit, best case scenario they try to use the dragon balls to revive some part of them
@@Xeno574 That's kinda how the Earth crew have always been. If its not threatening Earth or planets of people friendly to them, they don't give a crap. As weird as it sounds, the Z gang aren't heroes in the conventional sense.
Also, this may be a strange take on Frieza's empire, but in a way he could be, in a messed up way bringing order to a chaotic universe. I would not be shocked to learn Frieza revised his empire's function to help support the U7 mortal level. His absence did leave a pretty huge rift in how the universe functioned. In a roundabout way, Frieza prevents inter-galactic war just by making everyone hate and fear him more than they want to fight eachother. Frieza's father was ruling for who knows how long before as well, his family's demise must've cause loads of chaos.
@@dreadrath True, in a way Freeza is helping out. But like, he's still killing millions and enslaving even more.
And they aren't heroes in the traditional sense, but it's still weird to me
I'm sure his mortal level is probably starting to bottle neck at some point so it wouldn't necessarily mean it would scale unhindered remember Even whis told Vegeta you can only accomplish so much by simply physical training so I don't think he is over scaled like every thinks.
Plot
Frieza's race is built different.
Wym??? We already know frieza trains not only his body but his mind. In the newest arcs we’ve seen goku and vegeta both attempting to train their minds but frieza has been training both for over 10 years
Freeza is built different*. His race isn’t normally so strong, but he and his father are “mutants” that are absurdly strong for their race....and that’s back during dbz.
I mean Frieza one shotted Goku MUI and UE Vegeta and killed Gas like he was nothing so I would say he's actually pretty overscaled...
I'm of the belief he's after the gods at this point. During the ToP he made it abundantly clear he had it out for not only Beerus, but for the Grand Zeno himself.
He’s gonna need a lot power than what he has now then because the angels are on a completely different tier from the g.o.d. Wondering if maybe he’ll try to steal the Angel power sealed in Og 73
Frieza the God Butcher
lol imagine if he wishes for eternal youth and goes in the hyperbolic time chamber to train for like 10 million years and then comes out 💀
@@gammafrost the angels can’t even fight and the angels probably wouldn’t even help the gods if they were getting destroyed by someone
@@Spike-Ali that’s not true. The angels don’t fight? Have you missed all the times whis fought goku and Vegeta and bodies them? Whis literally one shots ultra instinct goku beginning of this arc
goku and vegeta are most likely gonna end up having to fuse ultra instinct and ultra ego. It would be really nice to see and people obviously want it
Yeah but that can’t work ultra ego and ultra instinct are complete opposites they can’t mix one requires peace of mind while the other is the -opposite
@@qingpetcher667 Got to see it through. Got to have *balance.*
Honestly I would say Freeza has both change as a person and is very confident in his power, since after all the shit that has happened to him, it would make sense he would be a bit more respectful towards them well also showing that he has surprise them in power.😺
Nah, just because an evil, genocidal, mass-murdering, planet-busting monster respects you, doesn't mean it won't try and kill you, or someone you love/care about when you're back is turned. Frieza being hakai'd is the only way to be fully rid of him, and honestly, I've been tired of Frieza since RoF.
@@90snetworkproductions79 I think they mean Frieza has changed in terms of respecting the Saiyans power.
@@90snetworkproductions79 nah bringing frieza back was one of the best decisions
He’s brought a lot of lore, history, entertaining and badass moments
@@90snetworkproductions79 We don't care that you're tired.💁🏿♂️
I honestly want Frieza to defeat Gogeta in a fight. It would be some next level shock. Like we've never seen a fusion genuinely lose to an opponent just being outclassed. That'd be so badass.
We have once before, SSB Vegeta Clone vs Gotenks
also beerus literally spanked gotenks, but gotenks is kinda a gag char rather than serious fighter these days anyway
Kefla got slapped by UI goku
I'm sure the dude was talking about Gogeta and Vegito specifically. Not counting Other fusions like Gotenks and Kefla
@@ricksanchez1732 gotenks is a comic relief for sure rho
Frieza wasn't thinking of them at all actually... his end goal is to not be threatened by the gods ever again... he's training to fight the Angels
Agree with this. Dudes been planning it since the TOP fs
I think him seeing zeno really changed him or at least made him rethink who he should be really training for
@@Wolfen_II it basically opened his perspective
Yep. He feels threatened by Zenos ability to erase + he doesn't like that child being the emperor of everything rather than himself.
@@TheWeeklyVibecheck It lowkey started when he learned Goku beat Majin Buu... his world was expanded... the super powers he was told to kneel to weren't so impossibly beyond comprehension anymore and then a mortal stronger than a God of Destruction appears and if Goku can be relative to that why can't he? He overpowered that Hakai after being revived and tossed it at Goku to see if he could tank it too... then he watched Goku closely during TOP and even gave him his energy so he could keep observing... he's ready for the smoke and not too prideful to train hard... he's coming for the Grand Priest eventually!
Dragonball seem to be revisiting the past a lot with their content lately (Broly, Cell Max, SS2 Gohan homage, and now Frieza).
With that in mind, I really hope they do another Emperor Frieza arc. Have him completely take over the universe, even enslaving/beating Beerus. Maybe to a point he has to have Weiss work for him. I just want Goku and Vegeta to be absolutely rekd constantly, even in the forms they're in now.
that's what happens whene there are no good ideas...just repeating the same shit all over again...and you people say it's good lol
Imagine Orochimaru pulls a Frieza in Boruto and one shots Code, Daemon, Eida, Naruto and Sasuke. I hope he can be like Frieza lmao.
The funny thing is, we saw Orochimaru just erase one of the assistants that was working with Victor in the anime lmao.🤣
@@js2003 Yeah I hope he gets a power up later in the series, I mean what is he doing this entire time during the boruto series lol
@@georgecheng9771 I hope he does come back, because he is one of the smartest in the series and I assume he knows a lot about the Otsutsuki clan.
Black Orochimaru.... Hell no
@@js2003 He is like "Frieza" in the naruto verse. Imagine Black Orochimaru with his karma amps lmao
You know the more you went into what Freeza could have been training for made me realize how terrifying Freeza actually is right now.
Yeah, I had a theory that frieza is just taunting them. Like hes just going to get stronger everytime goku and vegeta get stronger until they die of old age.
Always wanted him to be the beerus figure before beerus took that role since it's not like Frieza wants to destroy the universe unlike other villains rather he wants to own everything that exist and rule over it
@@Succubus_L0li If Frieza could grow past his need to conquer and rule everything and curb his sadistic tendency a bit, he'd actually make a pretty solid GoD
@@dreadrath Actually I feel like Frieza would be against being GoD himself, because GoD serves directly under the Grand Priest, and Zeno is the CEO(why?).
and we all know that he either wants to find ways to eliminate Zeno or find other ways to control Zenos.
Freeza being permanently a Gogeta level threat would make him way too overpowered. Goku and Vegeta will have to surpass them eventually on their own
It makes the most sense considering that he saw how powerful Gogeta was first hand. He’s smart enough to know that even if he beat them individually they could just fuse to defeat him. That’s why he did the 10 year training
He is stronger than that
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 possibly man
@@gammafrost facts
Gogeta level isn't a thing as Gogeta's power increases exponentially ad Goku and Vegeta get stronger
Man it's crazy to see how much this channel has matured I haven't watched one of your videos in years gotta say I'm happy to see the growth.
Lol
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Frieza is Super’s version of Vegeta in Z. I think we’ll see more team ups and just hot air between Goku/Vegeta and Frieza. They must coexist to push each other further.
I find it hard to imagine that. How would Goku and Vegeta let that be? Frieza exterminated the saiyans, massacred the namekians and killed the Z Warriors. Idk how I'd feel if they just let that go.
@@chaoticstarfish3401 The whole Z squad is mostly a collection of villains
@@dey2x313 especially Krillin, that pesky little skin head bastard
@@dey2x313 Legit. The only Z fighters that were never bad were Goku, Krillin, Roshi and the half-saiyans.
@@chaoticstarfish3401 bro they don’t care ab that shit anymore lmao
I believe that (ever since the TOP) Friezas ambitions are to kill EVERY God of Destruction/Kai or maybe even every angel.
Broly has more potential then Cell who has more potential then Freeza who has more potential then Gohan.
@@hugomventura it took Broly roughly 50 years to barely rival Beerus
It took Freiza 10 years to arguably rival angels
Now you tell me who has more potential.
@@chillingeg broly hasn't been doing actual training his whole life. he is god level literally by just aging and getting angry. Freeza been below super saiyan for most his life which broly could of easily eclipse if anything got him angry.
@@hugomventura Gohans potential is higher than Brolys according to Tori, but these 3 have insane potential. Freeza training for 10 years to get that strong is insane, but Broly would be a bit stronger if they were training together. Gohan, obviously, would be weaker than either of them unless he used his new form, which taps his hidden power.
@@hugomventura Broly was actually training and fighting beasts his whole life all frieza did was sit on his chair and destroy planets. He DIDNT ever train until ROF.
Literally so strong that the only logical concIusion is that frieza beats everyone and wins and thats how DB ends. It makes no sense for him to Iose
Until we get super saiyan 3 god UI definitely perfected and mastered for real this time kaioken 60
@@170skeith 💀
@@170skeith and True royale ultra ego mastered god of destruction Vegeta 😂
@@170skeith I swear this show literally pulls forms out there ass with no explanation at least in dragon ball z the forms were hinted at
Broly is the only one who can surpass him right now really, or gohan. If those 2 trained for 10 years they would surpass frieza
What's interesting is he probably took in account beerus and his hakai as well seeing as he was able to contain and overpower a hakai blast in his gold form.
Characters in DB ALWAYS get stronger quicker when they have a goal in mind so Freeza seeing all these characters gap him in power over and over he’d definitely go as hard and as long as he knows he needed to and would grow quicker due to seeing them all as an obstacle
Yeah, krillin from namek would King piccolo,
krillin from Android saga would beat vegeta and nappa,
Krillin from boo saga would likely beat frieza,
And super? Super krillin would beat cell
@@wicked.a950 Krillin from the Saiyan saga could one-shot Piccolo Jr. and Krillin from the Frieza saga had a power level of 75,000 because of Guru's unlock potential ability working overtime and hitting that level during the Frieza fight so Krillin on Namek could already oneshot everyone from the Saiyan saga and beat Oozaru Vegeta with a Kienzan
@@wicked.a950 lmfao killing isn't beating cell there's no way it's not happening killin might be the same level as android 18 he has no feats and he stopped training give me one reason why krillin could beat cell who was a tier below ssj2 Gohan as a teen who was weaker in the buu saga
My favorite thing about Black Frieza is how it basically restores Frieza to his original position of the strongest being in the universe that he held for countless decades up until the Namek Arc. But now Frieza's back on top, and I'm really interested to see how the story will progress from here.
Whis literally said he wasn't... the strongest emerged elsewhere...
Freiza was never the strongest being in the universe his dad was always stronger than him until his resurrection
@@baseupp12 was king cold a mutant?
@@baseupp12 When was that ever officially stated?
This guy really said “back on top”
The guy wasn’t even close💀
He did mention to himself that he'd surpass the Gods when he was looking at Xeno. He has plans, and it's exciting.
That was anime only though, maybe the manga might borrow some of the shows ideas, I think.
@@nonbasicz That's not what I was talking about, I don't care which version was better, my point was, Frieza wanting to surpass Zeno, was anime only and not to do with the manga.
Before watching this video, this was my take on black Frieza's strength: Frieza's strength from final form to gold is essentially worth 4 Saiyan transformations, since he went toe to toe with Ssb for a little while. And Frieza achieved this in like 3-4 months.
Now though, Frieza trained for what, 10 years right? So 4 transformations worth for every 3-4 months in a 10 year span, probably puts Frieza above and beyond all the current MORTALS we have seen (I am including jiren) thus far.
We gotta train Broly now to stand up to Frieza in that case
Law of diminishing returns
Jiren isn't relevant in the newest arc Goku Vegeta broly moro granola gas all surpassed Jiren long ago.
@@rushpatriot2866we have no idea what kind of training jiren has been doing since the top, plus we never saw him go full power from the beginning nor be allowed to kill, in addition to that he and toppo have been learning about the power of trust since the top which as we all know is the strongest dragon ball power
@@dankerbell it'll be def interesting, honestly hope there will be a new tournament where everyone goes to thier max power, even bringing cell back would be cool for the tournament.
I like the golden Freiza form better. The color scheme just matches Freiza personality so much.
I love the black freeza more and I haven’t even seen the color scheme yet lol. However I know when we see the form on a volume cover or maybe Toyotaro drawing it with color we will see how dope it is
I'd like black Frieza if there wasn't that weird white part on his torso
Both are good
Golden frieza represented him mocking the legend he always feared
But black frieza represents his pure evil nature and how his potential is infinite like an abyss.
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thats raycisss
I personally think he spared them because he doesn’t want to be under anyone including beerus and he knows whis can just resurrect them so it does nothing this way at least he gets to enjoy their agony about their weakness
If you categorize frieza from namek saga then he actually would torture before killing anyone
whis can't resurrect them cuz an angel can't interfere in mortal's life, if goku die by the hand of frieza whis can't do shit or he will be cancelled like merus
@@gianfi_ Then how/why did he resurrect Frieza after the T.O.P, pardon my potential ignorance.
@@nebulous001 Because he helped them save their whole universe which is an absolute favorable gift for something that grand so I don’t expect Whis to resurrect them if they lose to a mortal villain really
@@uchihabomber1296 Fair point, I’d also argue with Whis rewinding time when Frieza destroyed the planet. But I know there was the conversation with the Grand Priest in the anime at least, that it was for the food or something along those lines.
I just find the ideas to be weirdly enforced. Like with Merus how is it that different then when Whis rewound time to stop Earth from being destroyed, idk maybe intent has a major factor or something.
Seth I joined your channel because of these dragon ball videos you’re literally what I base my arguments on you’re just so dope and logical I instantly clicked when I see dbz-s content
Hoping Frieza's training partner would be Cooler and eventually learned to use fusion to form "Winter" to combat Ultra Instinct/Ego Gogeta.
I really hope beerus gets involved in some way here I feel like he's done next to no serious combat in dbs so his power level is never directly shown, only described by people who don't know how fully strong he is. If he goes from top tier to not a relevant character it'd be disappointing
beerus will end up like the supreme kai
@@doejhonny Toriyamas favorite character is Beerus. Thats why he hasn't been surpassed despite Tori intending to have Goku surpass him in RoF.
Reasons why beerus will never become irrelevant
He's name is base on the Cat of Toriyama
He's the character that Goku wants to surpassed
And he One Shotted a famous Gag Character.
@Chaosdromanah Piccolo is Toriyama's favourite character and he has been sidelined and irrelevant since 1992, until the new movie.
I hope Frieza kill berrus
I always thought that he could have just trained a bit more to own everyone during the Resurrection of Frieza arc.
They really had him die at the end all over again. Talk about a waste of a wish.
it's simple. in the first 4 months freeza made noob gains since he never trained before. After his body got used to training he started getting diminishing returns. So he won't get the same insane multiplier as his did between namek and resurrection F, but it's still probably not linear either as he clearly got more than 30x stronger.
Dude thank you. That’s basically what I said too.
You must lift to truly understand the noob gains
Bingo!! Same with running. I can't run much faster miles than I do now training since my body is now used to it (approx 7 min). I would have to train for much longer to get just a little bit faster towards 6 mins. Same with Frieza here. He took 10 years but it's not that crazy first 4 months power up he got for ROF. He's done a lot of perfecting his Black form.
@@alexalvaradocali3863 if we all grew the same rate as back when we had newbie gains, we’d peak level athletes lol
since your using gym logic, you can also assume he probabbly had some cheat days. Even the most disciplined body builders and power lifters have days off, to even weeks, which is time not being spent studying and training. Especially with how pompous frieza is, its safe to assume he had a few spa days
I’d like to think Frieza likes being the strongest in the universe and therefore needs both goku and vegeta to be alive for that to have any value in his eyes. He might even keep them alive until he thinks they are a treat now. I personally hope they keep frieza as a final vilain for the series.
There has to be another reason Frieza trained so much. I think he's up to something big.
What do you think it is
@@bryanrodriguez4846 taking on zeno, to become the true emperor........
@@michielroskam3877 imo, he wants to become a God Of Destruction aka defeat bills.
He told it in the Tournament of Power. he want to put all gods down ^^ or atlest make them kneel to him. not even the Gods, he want to get even higher now.
The black air force energy is strong in this guy. Frieza's officially hood certified
What if he's just 2x goku and vegeta and he only let them live because he's grown a soft spot for their constant fights, and not because he's just so strong they'll never catch up in his mind. He's come to enjoy a challenge like they do by being around them. It would make sense seeing as most of the villians become Goku's friend that Freeza someone who arguably is irredeemable would remain an antagonist but it be something more of a "i'm gonna do what I want so that you'll come stop me and we can fight" type antagonist that while is dangerous and would still enslave the entire universe and destroy everything that go in his way doesn't want to just outright eliminate the only people that ever give him a run for his money either.
Like how joker won't kill Batman.
Even with the way he just bursts in and kills all the major villians for the arc and steals the spotlight it's like he's made his playmates are focusing on someone else besides him and he wants that spotlight. Narcississssssmmmmm
Also like majima in Yakuza
Yeap
Db and dbz were a big part of my childhood, it taught me that perfection takes time and hard work that could take decades, it taught me that measurements of ones dedication can tell you the quality of person you're dealing with.
Dbs teaches none of that.
One thing that I noticed, is that Frieza got Oil and Maki to work for him because Chilai and Lemo left his force.
No they didn’t work in the kitchen 🙄
@@Rizzal6a6y Lemo worked in the kitchen, not sure about Cheelai
I was surprised seeing Frieza smile they way he did when Oil and Maki accepted his offer to be his chef and waitress. Most genuine, non malicious smile I ever saw Frieza make lol
@@GenZVall because he knows he just killed their family and now he owns them💀
I mean hey, Frieza admitted to having never trained before dying to Goku so him getting so strong so fast as he did kind of tracks. Having that baseline power means loads of potential.
2:52 “on some betrayed and trapped in a time chamber shit”😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Frieza did say he one day hopes to surpass beerus and all the gods out there and one day even Zeno. I don’t think 10 years of training has done anything close to that tbh but we’ll see. I think he will need super shenron or super shenrons creator for his insane goals
Friezas training wouldn't yield linear results. The longer he trains he wouldn't get the same results he got in 4 months. It would take exponentially more training to get the same results. Law of diminished returns.
Yup, which is why Goku/Vegeta training for 3 years does nearly nothing for their powers now, the only time they really grow is if they're forced to push through their limits
Except that Frieza is a mutant goku and vegeta are not
@@SHSLRuby exactly training is practically useless now for the top tier mortals of the shoe
lmfao so law of diminished returns applies to dragonball now? xDD
@@dommysprite3771 if thats the case why do vegeta and goku train all day everyday>??
Frieza vs. Beerus would be an amazing fight, and I hope his new form is building up to that outcome.
I hope Vegeta and Goku can master their new forms one-on-one with Beerus and Whis, respectively.
I don't see how even Fusion would be enough right now (unless they train first)
10 years......that's absurd.
I honestly see Broly as being the key.
His growth surpassed years within a couple hours. But he'll need to learn self control and still grow stronger.
Most of his growth was before he turned ssj even paragus saw ikari broly starting to lose to blue goku,and even in his full power state he was taking forever to catch up to broly…vegeta bout the only one that can benefit from frieza because he is at a higher power than broly at the moment and he gets stronger the harder his soul is into the battle.
@@DanielLopez-dv4uw Vegeta is stronger than Broly yes but Ultra Ego ain't shit lol just makes him a good punching bag and his "growth" wasn't even that noticable.
@@brettz5288 ain't that noticeable dude what he got so strong he was overpowering granolah and gas at multiple points
Even 5 years of training is a lot😂😂😂
Frieda IS the type now to go all out. since he learned his lesson about saiysn potential. he'll likely one punch broly so he don't adapt
Whenever a character trains to get better they are limited by the reference of who they are trying to beat.
So Frieza's training likely wasn't linear, even if his potential power is limitless.
Well he did chase after Goku&Vegeta as they were the only real worthy opponents for him. After discovering all the potential threats to himself through ToP and god sagas he probably just decided to go all out and aim to surpass everyone. He was always chasing that prestige of being at the peak
I really hope Broly gets back on top, seeing as he may have the most potential out of any character.
He will beat freiza mark my words
Goten or Bulla could have even more potential, being half saiyans that have S cells from much stronger versions of their father’s. Goten was conceived during a period where Goku has SSJ and ascended SSJ form, and great training in general. And his potential is showed a bit when he easily got SSJ form just by a little training with Chi Chi.
And Bulla has S cells from SSB Vegeta, so you know she’d be extremely strong.
@@KejuanBW it was stated a while back that goten had more potential than gohan. Though. They probably will ignore it, like they have been
@@jacobgreene4331 Yeah, that’s for sure. They’re probably only gonna focus on the whole work together fusion thing between Goten and Trunks anytime they do get a fight or screen time.
@@shinji_6 he'll get the revenge unintentionally for killing his father lol
I think, Gohan might play a big part in the anime that's to come. But we all know, Goku will get stronger and find a new way to defeat Frieza.
who knows what if this time he doesn’t we will have to wait and see
Toei doesn't care about Gohan.
@@tj7965 you forget, a Saiyan gets stronger everytime they nearly die in battle.
Broly gets payback for his dad
@@slipknotron1626 i can see that happening. It would be nice to see Broly, Vegeta, Goku and Gohan all battling Frieza.
I am so hyped for the next arc because Freeza will be even more of a threat to our heroes than he ever was before. He one shot three G.O.D level fighters (Gas, Goku, and Vegeta) like they were mere fleas compared to him because they currently are. This could be the Infinity war of the Dragon Ball franchise with Freeza having a similar role as Thanos.
That would be awesome
Hope u get to a million soon man so happy for the frequent uploads been watching since the what if series
If we’re taking into a account that the manga scaling is different and frieza’s potential stays consistent then I’d put him at multiversal. If it was anime frieza then he’d be atleast multiversal+ considering dbs characters have no problem jumping entire levels of infinity nowadays.
Only the Xeno versions of DB characters are multiversal+
So hes at the same level of zeno? Or stronger?
@@9999-k9q we never seen zeno do anything so what’s your point ?
@@justnormal9176 We have....do you even watch dbs?
@@9999-k9q i’m talking about with his full power,your stalling off something he was capable of doing easily knowing that why are you scaling how strong he is ..smh
This is just a whole other tier of madness. I could imagine Freeze invading every universe and trying to rule over them and starting an interdimensional war. Be fun to watch Jiren return and every other fighter getting demolished. Wish they had focused on skill instead of power. After this arc, the next villain is going to be so strong, one punch wipes out a galaxy.
I find it hard to believe that Frieza would have survived fighting with broly for that long, I think it would have made for a good plot point if they went out of their way to bring Frieza back again
HE TURNED INTO WHAT HE SWORE TO DESTROY
LOL
😂😂😂😂😂
LOL!
Bruh
A MONKE!!!!
I’m perfectly okay with them giving Frieza another upgrade. I love the old villains and I hope they keep getting upgrades. I do have to agree though that it would be cheap to just have Goku or Vegeta killing Frieza by themselves and he should be killed by an ultra instinct/ego fused goku and vegeta
He should be Hakai'd so he can't even be resurrected again.
I think Frieza may have accurately predicted the Final or end of Z potential for all the Z fighters. I think the only reason he had not killed them was either because of Beerus or to draw out more of his own potential if not use them as a gauge for his power. I also believe the difference in power is similar to what he was to Kaioken Goku in the Namek ark. That Frieza could brush off a x20 power difference like nothing. A spirit bomb only being able to hurt him on the technicality of how truly evil he was. Frieza was able to hang roughly with SS1 Goku which I believe is a x50 multiplier. So Frieza at least would have to be at a x50 multiplier not from Goku or Vegeta exactly but at the strongest individual or fused fighter he has accurately seen and gauged which would have been Gogeta. Including all abilities up to that point that serve as a power amplifier. So he has to be at least x50 from SSB Gogeta and stronger if not confident in a confrontation with any powered up variation of Gogeta to include Kaioken, SSB evolution, or even Ultra instinct. If not multiple times stronger than those variants. For the simple fact that Frieza is not simply okay with barely winning but overkill and torture. So he would have to be in a position to confidently do either or both. He is not in for the thrill of battle but the thrill of domination. I also like the comparison of Frieza and Aizen and believe that Frieza does seek to a type of god hood if not try and exalt himself to a position on, equal to, or beyond the dragon ball Pantheon. Not so much by force but by technicality of leadership, or as an employer. Bringing a type of order to his Universe much better than Beerus has as sort of a defacto God of Destruction. Not to really beat Beerus in might but qualification for his position and have his rule recognized by the Dragon Ball Pantheon if not the Omni King himself. By showing that under his rule no matter how brutal or sadistic has brought more order to Universe 7 than Beerus has or a God of Destruction could so "why not let me expand my empire" and "give me a backing or perks" while I bring the necessary destruction and order to Universe 7 if not any universe that needs it. Not as a God of Destruction but as an Emperor on his own terms per say.
Well said. These guys completed Arcs and trained with Gods to achieve powers equal to evolution not development. Note, SSJ1 to SSJ2 is developmental but SSJ3 to SSG is evolutionary in terms of power. Something which they couldn't with training alone.
YET!!!!!
Frieza trained alone and came and defeated Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct.
Great man
I’m just glad that friezas the strongest, the whole “beast gohan is stronger than anyone” thing was so undeserved and out of left field. Frieza actually put the work in and came in like a badass🙏 he literally made the ending of this arc really good, love to see it
It was cap anyway, it needed more to justify that claim anyway. Not just a block, a kick, and a beam. That was so lame.
@@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398 FOR REAL, they only said that just to make a couple extra dollars on the movie tbh
Beast aside, Gohan could actually train for a year or two and would be even stronger than Frieza is now 😂
Reminds me of Rage Trunks. Dude is about Buu arc power, and because he’s really really mad, pulls some god pseudo form out of his ass. There’s no reason Gohan should be at that level, he hasn’t even trained that much since Buu and slacked off a lot. It’s like they’re using GT logic… time = power increase apparently.
@@shecklesmack9563 Just about anyone in super who does any fighting completely gaps buu arc characters. trunks being able to fight any form of dbs goku after battle of gods means he's one tapping the buu arc.
Frieza is one of my favorite characters in db and the thing I liked about him is that he was always pure evil, obviously they can't do this, but I would've kinda preferred if Frieza just killed Goku and Vegeta proving his dominance and the two have to do some random stuff idk training or something in otherworld and a time skip happens where they're brought back to life or like.a Buu saga situation and clap Frieza with super Saiyan rainbow or something CD
Goku and vegeta gonna celebrate pride month
@@BDX423 troll
@Broly
Also, being fully alone for that long makes ANYONE apreciate other life forms much more, he felt awful being trapped in paradise from the moment he died in Fukkatsu no F to when he was revived for the Tournament of Power.
Frieza was already a genius, cold, calculated and classy, he was a noble king, a genuine blue blood Emperor with class and aristocrat nature.
Coming out of a Time Room for 10 years , his mind became probably much deeper, not like he's good or anything, but he probably realized how pointless and boring it would be for the entire universe to be empty, and Frieza has himself stated to dislike having the gods being above him.
I think his main target will be Beerus.
He got golden frieza in just a year of training…I wouldn’t doubt that black frieza is his newest oldest form…he could have 3-5 stacked up for all we know😭…it’s just hard to believe frieza would only have one new form in 10 years time…
1 year to get golden frieza
10 years to get black frieza would make sense since obviously it might put him on par with beerus
It was 4 months for Golden Frieza wasn't it?
@@RaffiMiah yeah I commented before watching the vid
Exactly, Goku got SS2, SS3, God and Blue in 10 years. Freeza likely has 2~3 forms from 10 years of training with Black being the weakest.
@@RaffiMiah wait fr I thought it was a year😭😭😭 nahhhhh he definitely has more
The scariest part is that considering how much frieza improved in 4 months, this one-shotting ga was probably not even from the first year of his decade of training.