Blackmagic Pocket 6K vs 4K: What's Different & What's the Same
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2019
- Comparing the Blackmagic Pocket 6K to the BMPCC4K to highlight differences in workflow & image output like SSD recording, color grading, low light, crop factor, & 6K resolution.
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I love how we all talk about 4k or 6k workflows even though most film customers still want their video's delivered in 1080 and the film company I did an internship at never delivered anything in 4k, all 1080p
Watched it. Loved it. Now I def won't do a video on the BMPCC6k......but OTIS....that's another story. Picture in picture shot was awesome.
Sir please. I'm waiting for another upload from you lol
Thank you, kind sir. I'd be very interested in seeing what OTIS has to say about the 6K.
The efficiency with which you communicate all that info in such a short timespan, very impressive. And a breath of fresh air alongside the vast majority of inconcise videos out there. Solid video as always!
Agree! Other videos be like: eeh, let's drop a LUT, meeh. Compare RED with GoPro. Whoosh
as someone with ADHD, it's hard for me to follow a lot of the videos that are on yt, this was so clear and informative, thank you
Great content. Really love how practical your videos are and the amount of info you pack in.
Incredible as always, to the point, no bs. Hands down, some of the best info if not the best you can get in this platform
WhoIsMattJohnson did a great video for the crops on both of these cameras. Great video as always Gerald.
Your videos are incredibly informative, and you break down so much knowledge for newcomers and those getting started (like me). Please keep up the fantastic work.
Probably the best comparison video of these two cameras on RUclips. Great!
Great video, dude!
Thank god we have people like Gerald doing all these complex tests for us for free!
Love your work Gerald Undone!!!!
Love all your videos! Thank you again!!
oh man the Christmas room reference, so good
Great review Gerald. Thank you.
Thanks for great review. Good to know about Raw options on 6k.
I'm subbing bcs 2:16 with an intro this is a very thorough and informative video as someone who makes money and is not a hobbits the precision in which you hit key points is unmatched.
Just get both :D because, they both are great and find their spot in the production. I found, they are so close that they team up perfectly on set! :D
Now I want a 6k. I not getting it for a long while but. You sold me. Again.
I love the flow and how fast you talk, but seeing these data rates with RAW, now I know why you have to :-P
We hit the Like button. Great Insights as usual*****
thanks for comparison between two cameras!
I enjoyed Peter Gregg's greeting: "Welcome to the christmas room" very much
Definitely helpful!I just dont know how you find the time to do your super detailed videos..haha, perhaps an idea for a new up and coming video for you, a video BTS of how you systematically make these research and shoot the video in such a methodical way as you do..😉
No new comments here in a long time! I still rewatch this video as I go through my BMD journey, patiently waiting for their new L-mount camera ❤️
Whoa.. that was a lot to take in. I normally keep up with your videos and walk away feeling a tad bit smarter. However, all the Q0 3:1 talk had me dumbfounded, and now I feel like I lost a few braincells. Just goes to show how much more I have to learn. It’s a good thing I’m subscribed with that notification bell (ding). Man, I can’t wait until you break down the elusive Sony a7 s iii... eventually.
Brilliant video as always and very informative. Thank you. Can you make a review on the BMPCC 6k G2?
Really great video man, thanks so much for being so thorough and so clear in your presentation. I can tell you put a lot of work into this!
*Here we go!* Finally!
Excellent video. Also I love the aesthetics of the main shot; what are you using to film it?
Man! thank you! we got the same issue and wow! you found the solution! thanks!
Great explanation about drop frames with higher ISO, 6K and higher FPS. Thanks.
Gerald you are the videographer ultimate leader
Very rich content as always. I wish you you could a side by side comparison between BMPCC6K and Sony A7 III in terms of real world Dynamic Range and low light capabilities.
OMG he's crazy.... Great work Gerald.
At first I thought this camera's release would replace or obsolete the 4k, but giving time and seeing people's reviews I definitely see how that not the case here and they are two different tools for two different use cases.
And the EF mount that limits adapting is a bit of a bummer too.
Nice video mate. It's a bummer can't find the 4k ANYWHERE. Also don't love dropping $700 on a speedbooster to bring EF mount capability. Sure the wider FOV (using mostly vintage lenses with this) and more light, but it's just not good value IMHO. Probably going to be the 6k for me when the time comes.
Great review, thanks again for doing the leg work on this.
Wow! Another super detailed review (that took a lot of work) thanks!
Another great video thanks Gerald. What would your recommendation be between getting a pocket 4K or a Sony fx30? I have a Bmpcc original 1080p and I think the footage looks amazing. But I also use a Sony fs5 2 for work and it has benefits like better auto focus. The main filming I am doing is talking head videos and some music videos. Cheers Glenn
Hi Gerald, nice points. I'd add that if you don't have enough computer power to handle post-edit of 6K, it's another benefit for buying a 4K :)
i found this video VERY helpful.
Helpful ✔️ Entertaining ✔️ Subscribed ✔️ Awesome video as always 👍
Excellent, thank you
Yes!! The Lucadapter will be rad!
What a great video!! Wow
Great Video
As a software architect I assume what happened in that drop frames test.
I believe the problem with the recording bitrate test was that you didn't adjust your lighting when changing ISO values; those codecs (Blackmagic RAW) actually DO COMPRESS, however they don't compress in terms of 'usable data', but storage-wise - just as you would compress a .zip archive or so.
This is why you did get different effective bitrates - less/more light led to lesser compressing capability of the BRAW codec, as where were more colors that couldn't be compressed in storage
Hope this sorts out any confusions :)
Dream Camera !
I'm glad I have the P4K, because with either camera, I would mostly be shooting in 4K. And the P6K does not have BRAW available in the 4K mode. Being able to shoot in BRAW is important to me. Excellent comparison video.
i can guarantee you within next 6 months it will have the update for 4k raw & trust me it will be down sampled version internally, which means more clean, sharper & better image than p4!
SEEKERS nope 6 months have passed and the packet 6k still doesn’t shoot 4K raw.
First of all, love your videos. Commenting cause I care :D
So I hypothesize your T5 works in 4K50p Q0 in low ISO conclusion is due to high ISO adding datarate more than the T5 can write. This is however a dangerous conclusion because a fast pan, or a lot of movement would likely also cause dropped frames of high ISO does, so I would not recommend Q0. I was able to consistently get dropped frames with T5 and Q0 with fast pans and by shooting screens with lots of movement.
Keep up the amazing content!
Thanks, Kenny! I think that's good advice. I did test it violently. Pans, running, etc. and it never dropped. But for safety, I'd agree with you and say 5:1 is the best bet for crucial stuff.
Great review, new sub here
Could you pls tell me what F-Stop and ISO did you use when recording this video? What camera and what lens also, pls.
Pocket 4K with Sigma 18-35. f/1.8 and ISO 800. Speed Booster on.
We need a short working segment of the bayonet mount on 6k version! Write something to the BM forum, because there are a lot of unique optics and a lot of shooters who have been collecting this for years ...
I’ll be getting the 4K. I consider it better in every way at least for my needs where most of my video end up on mobile devices / desktop
how so?
I have no interest in BMPCC, but the overall look of this video is beautiful. I mean colours, contrast, etc.
Thank you very much! Nice to hear. Cheers!
I like when you talk! Its like words bro....words
wait... so would lenses from my Micro 4/3 Panasonic G85 work with this? Lens mounts always confused me. Big bonus if so
Hi Gerald and other film makers, have you ever had any problems with BMPCC both 4K and 6K hdmi output to monitor? I’ve used the BMPCC6K and I had an issue, hdmi out was not working. Some of my friends also having the same issue.
I'm more convinced to get the 4k one than a mirrorless camera tbh
Hey Gerald! Great videos, your way of analyzing information is really helpful.
I have a question: If I have an APS-C camera and a full frame camera, and I have a lens on each that is supposed to deliver an equivalent field of view, (I.E. a 35mm lens on the APS-C and a 56mm lens on the full frame) will I get the same image? If not, why? Is there any way I could get the exact same look (Bokeh, FOV, etc) from both?
Yes if you also multiply aperture by the crop factor, and bump up iso
Gerald, I still have my Tamron Canon mount glass (15-30-f2.8, 24-70-f2.8, 70-200-f2.8). I have always been happy with these lenses and I’m wondering if they would work on the BMPCC-6K? For the price of that camera and the fact that I have these lenses and a bag of batteries and many other things video related, is it a viable option? It’s either that or a sell these lenses and stay on my Sony path. Bottom line is, I’m intrigued with the BMPCC and I sense that this glass my work fine. (Other than the 15-30 needs a special approach for an ND solution.)
Thanks
Would it be crazy to consider using the 6k as a stills camera? I love the LCD.....3" panels get smaller and smaller as you get older. Or so I hear.
Do you prefer shooting in constant quality or constant bit rate?
Do you recomennd a 4K version to a streaming studio? or maybe to broadcast a event with 4k?
Can we get an image quality comparison between bmpcc 4K/6k vs A7siii? Don’t know which one to pick up.
Ok, @Gerald Undone Year 2020: $1900 for a P6K and $1900 for a P4K+Metabones.
Which one would be your pick?
awesome!
what kind of image stabilization control does the 4K have ? if you use an IS lens on either camera, doesn't it work anyway ?
One thing Im not sure if you mentions is the Pockets 6k has better 4K and 1080p because it still uses the whole 6k sensor
Have mate, have you done a vid on bmp4k memory cards?
There were a few misleading info about recording capability. Depending of what you are filming, your rate will change. Even at 3:1 is going to fluctuate a tiny bit. So unless you recorded something on screen that could generate the biggest amount of complexity for the codec, you can't say that you are OK, especially if it worked at iso 1000 vs iso 1250... But since most shoot at 30fps or under in general, it not a problem !
Peter Greg wants to know your location!!! 😂
For someone how like me. Is new to creating videos for youtube. Would you recommend starting out with a. Hybred camera like the Panasonic DC G9 or the Black magic 6K? My computer that I would be using. For editing is the Mac with the M1 based MacBook. I work as a gig driver, I am able to put. $100 a day after expenses, so yes I am on a budget. And obviously I want the best results. For my dollar.
Is the 4K 60p HQ Prores on the P6K the same as the P4K or is it sharper and better “quality” bc it is using 6k and downscaling? And is there no additional crop? Still 1.5 crop?
How does the Pocket 6k read out it's 4k image? Does it use a Sony style full pixel readout and deBayer? Or does it pixel bin or line skip to get down to 4k?
I’d love to see a comparison between BM Pocket 6K vs Sony FX3/A7Siii done by Gerald
given the price drop do you think the 6k is now a better buy?
Please do a review of the bmpcc6k pro 🙏♥️
So you have to have an external harddrive to use this camera?
One more point of difference between the two cameras due to the sensor size difference is the shallower depth of field on the 6K model.
Next time you're wearing that shirt in a video, you should say:
"I'm Gerald Undone, and the truth is... I am Iron Man."
..."and welcome to the Christmas room"...hahahaha
Has the firmware update for the 6K solved the lens stabilisation issue?
Are you saying the drop frames only happen when using that Samsung T5 SSD? Is there a faster SSD that is recommended for 6k? for the Pocket6k? with no dropped frames? AtomX?
Good video
I just fucking died at the Christmas Room reference!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hi I wanted to ask you I have the blackmagic 6k mounted on a Slider and I would like to make an approach movement to an object How can I use an automatic follow Focus to keep the object in focus? Ciao Paolo form Italy
Hey, how did you test the minium write speed on mac? I cant find an app to do it :/
Great review, as usual. My quandary is this: If the 6K only offers BRAW in the 6K resolutions, how do those file sizes compare to the 4K ProRes and BRAW file sizes? I'd love to have access to 6K footage, but I'm not yet sure if BRAW will be part of my work flow. It appears that you can record ProRes for all resolutions on both cameras, but a major appeal of BRAW is the smaller file sizes and semi-RAW control options. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
That's actually a huge advantage on the 6K. If you are shooting ProRes HQ 4K DCI, the P4K and P6K sizes are exactly the same at approximately 120MB/s but the P6K uses the whole sensor in $K ProRes mode. So crisper image for the exact same size if you are going the prores route.
Although when going the raw route, the files get beefy. 6K 3:1 BRAW for P6K is @320MB/s and 4K DCI 3:1 BRAW for the P4K is @135MB/s
But then again, if you shoot at 5:1 6K BRAW, the file size falls to @194 MB/s and at 8:1 to @121 MB/s.
So yes both are tempting. Had BMD offered 6K prores on the P6K though, it would've virtually killed the P4K (except for when your choice depends on the mount). Both are fantastic. And that's what makes one absolutely crazy to choose one :D
Time to get Undone!
How do these comparisons work in the live stream and broadcast world.
Would rolling shutter be a problem with 200mm on 6k?
With which can I get a shallower depth of field?
Can I use Atomos products, i.e. the Ninja Inferno with the bmpcc 4/6k?
Is one better than the other in shallow depth of field?
I've heard that SSD have higher storage rates performance with larger capacity. will there be no frame drops when using Samsung T5 2TB model on the 6K???
So how to use full potential of camera ?
Would love this camera for my personal channel but more importantly, to use as my b-roll camera for work
Go for it bro!
When you discussed about recording media at 6k and higher ISO values, is there a recording media available right now that can take write all of that? There is a new PRO CFEXPRESS CARD TYPE B that can record 4K raw with read speeds up to 1700MB/s and write speeds up to 1400MB/s, would that work on this camera?
You would still be limited to what the Type C port can transfer though