The Controversial History of the White Black Panther

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    People try to be edgy and demand that there should be a white Black Panther... But Kasper Cole was already a thing.
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  • @ComicDrake
    @ComicDrake  Год назад +272

    Yes, the video addresses that Casper is biracial and that he is not necessarily white, just white passing. 4:53
    However Christopher Priest went out of his way several times to explain that his name literally being Kasper is a reference to his skin tone and his debut storyline is again, LITERALLY called "Black and White". Priest wanted to make it explicitly clear that we are supposed to be viewing Kasper as a white character for his stories even though he more accurately is depicted as a poc with light skin. Thankfully, as the series went on, the artists made him increasingly biracial in depiction.

    • @mage1439
      @mage1439 Год назад +23

      I think the funniest thing is they thought it would be a good idea to replace BP with someone named Casper, which is specifically used as a way to make fun of the very pale.

    • @boingo3908
      @boingo3908 Год назад +15

      Ngl I lowkey thought he looked more lightskin or ultra-lightskin black. This is coming from someone who is white passing.

    • @SchwarzSchwertkampfer
      @SchwarzSchwertkampfer Год назад +3

      Considering black on black violence.
      Honestly it is not suprising to see brothas being at odds with each others.
      Cliché hey, reality🤣🤦🏿‍♂️😑😆😑
      Not something I fine amusing to considering I can look at reality.
      There is a Saying in the Modern Brotherhood of Brothas.
      *Everybody is a Brotha; Yet Nobody is*
      Which reflects how being a brotha in modern times is about lipservice an imitation of culture.
      With zero beef in the game.
      Which is funny because Mr.Tiger does not give a damn🤣🤣🤣🤣😆🤣🤣.
      The irony is not lost on me.
      Although as a writer, that would not be a topic I would cover; I actually would have Captain America take up the Mantel for a while [like a thor's hammer moment], to help Panther root out spies.

    • @justinjacob4599
      @justinjacob4599 Год назад +8

      @@boingo3908 yh he deffo looks lightskin…..even is hair lol

    • @Robin_Is
      @Robin_Is Год назад

      Ok.

  • @kab6754
    @kab6754 Год назад +1165

    Casper Cole seems like a character that could've worked; there are plenty of biracial readers who could've benefitted from reading about a hero like them. It's unfortunate Priest's writing was...unfortunate. But now there's new characters to fill that space so he can stay in the background

    • @Dhampir101980
      @Dhampir101980 Год назад +63

      Ironically, Casper probably would work and be accepted if he was created today. Look at Miles Morales

    • @pqcowboychanel
      @pqcowboychanel Год назад +88

      Priest cellars hated the idea. Casper *could* have worked but they needed 1. A writer who cared about the idea and 2. A clear direction

    • @anthonygordon9483
      @anthonygordon9483 Год назад +36

      To be honest why does it matter what color they are. As a black man, I grew up with nothing but white super heroes and I really didnt care what color they were. I think black panther is the only comic book I didnt read as a kid. I simply just was not interested in the character. I loved Deadpool more then I like black panther. There would be more people of color if white people just start accepting people that don't look like them. I feel Marvel is intentionally race swapping simply because they know their readers wont accept anything less then white. As in Marvel is trying to train white people to accept characters that dont look like them, almost like they trained people of color to accept super heroes that are white. If it worked for people of color, it should probably work for young white readers. The younger white youth probably wont complain as much as the older white readers cause they will be raised on comic books that have a more diverse cast of characters.

    • @Dhampir101980
      @Dhampir101980 Год назад +13

      @@anthonygordon9483 exactly! I agree with every word. Spider-Man and Hulk are my favorite marvel characters, and it never bothered me that Peter and Bruce are White. So what? I related to them because of who they are characters. Not what they look like. Being misunderstood and seen as an other is an universal concept. It’s not holy unique to Black People/POC.
      When Miles was first created, i didn’t think “ wow. A black spider-man. Finally, I’m represented”. Instead, I thought “Okay. And…?”

    • @anthonygordon9483
      @anthonygordon9483 Год назад +8

      @@Dhampir101980 Same, I was not overly excited about Miles Either. I did get excited over blade. Cause I was like Wow this is a bad ass movie first and he is black second. Which from my pov did make it even better.

  • @BlueBeetle1939
    @BlueBeetle1939 Год назад +1095

    Got to love how the people that complain the most about comic books have never actually read them

    • @tonypeppermint5329
      @tonypeppermint5329 Год назад +35

      God damn, they scream so loud, too.

    • @jacobcortez3545
      @jacobcortez3545 Год назад +49

      @everyones equal and matters not treated that way
      Affirmative action means a mandated policy of giving opportunity (jobs, scholarships, loans, etc) to groups who are disadvantaged in some way, at least in certain amounts. It could mean making sure a certain amount of new hires in a year are of certain demographics.
      People used to (and I'm sure still do) like to throw the term around when a person of color, a woman, or person with a disability was hired instead of a white male. When someone says a person was "affirmative actioned" into a situation, what they're saying is they were only given the opportunity for being non-white/female/disabled. This is, of course, an attempt bigots to make their bad opinions seems like reasonable arguments.

    • @comixproviderftw_02
      @comixproviderftw_02 Год назад +12

      A small albeit loud minority

    • @HotDogTimeMachine385
      @HotDogTimeMachine385 Год назад +73

      @@caitlyncarvalho7637 No, because people before weren't as triggered by diversity. When Nick Fury was changed from a white guy to a black guy nobody really cared, but if you change a character nowadays it's "woke sjw mob ruining comic books". This is a recent thing. This only became "woke" and "political" in the past decade.
      There was a female Thor in the early 2000s and nobody cared, but when Jane became Thor everyone lost their mind. When Rhodey became Iron Man nobody cared, but when Sam became Captain America it was "woke to replace a white guy with a black guy".

    • @rvawildcardwolf2843
      @rvawildcardwolf2843 Год назад +26

      @@HotDogTimeMachine385 Yeah. I can't tell how much is right wing media making things worse in America. Some of it is self inflicted. Comic companies have their marketing and PR department announce big diversity or representation changes (or news articles at least having headlines about them) in controversy bait ways. Marvel and DC also seem to expect a pat on the back for them. but that's been a media issue for a long time, and used to just be met with eye rolls instead of vitriol in other fields. Liberal biased awards seeking either lands or doesn't. It rarely ever hurts the media. A lot of creators do want to tell stories with diverse characters and shouldn't be dismissed or objected to just because of that.
      Also I hate how Reactionaries think "they turned a character from one to another" Not quite getting that Comic Book codenames are now like team positions in sports. It's a different person filling that role. Usually it's been supporting cast already stepping up, sidekicks and offspring, not randomly giving the mantle...on that note, Drake covered this very well with his videos on Riri Williams.

  • @NojoJojo598
    @NojoJojo598 Год назад +634

    This may just be because they had different artists working on said books but am I the only one who noticed that Cole's facial structure and skin tone seem to shift back and forth like they couldn't decide on how they wanted him to look?
    Edited for grammar corrections

    • @Dhampir101980
      @Dhampir101980 Год назад +74

      No. You’re not. I saw it too. If Drake didn’t keep mentioning Cole’s name, I would have thought it was a different character each time. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too, by having him pass for white, but also have his mixed heritage constantly brought up through the narrow-minded attitude he has and the things he says

    • @WhiteRaven696
      @WhiteRaven696 Год назад +40

      It's just how comics work. I mean Storm is canonically supposed to be dark-skinned, but depending on the book she can look anywhere from Lupita Nyongo to Mariah Carey.

    • @gregcourtney751
      @gregcourtney751 Год назад +33

      @@WhiteRaven696 and damien wayne, his mother, and jesdica cruz the hispanic green lantern have all had different skin colors. Probably many other chacters. As the other poster said this seems to be a common problem for characters of certain ethnicities and charcters looking completely different jusy comes from so many styles and artists.

    • @NojoJojo598
      @NojoJojo598 Год назад +2

      @@WhiteRaven696 Got ya, yeah I just thought it was kind of jarring to see all the shifts of the character. Then again I'm not a avid comic reader which it is why I was probably unaware of it

    • @TrillyThough
      @TrillyThough Год назад +1

      @@Dhampir101980 Bingo

  • @djordjekrsmanovic
    @djordjekrsmanovic Год назад +251

    If i am not mistaken, there was also a comedic "What if Black Panther was white"
    Where after unmasking he gets pissed off at the Avengers because he realises the only reason he got recruited is so they wouldn't look racist for having only white heroes

    • @gokanshurisbabyfather4003
      @gokanshurisbabyfather4003 Год назад +13

      That sounds fan made

    • @captaincomic8678
      @captaincomic8678 Год назад +57

      @@gokanshurisbabyfather4003 Nope, it's a short story from Marvel Wha...Huh? #1.

    • @ironmaster6496
      @ironmaster6496 Год назад +29

      I know it's real but it sounds like something The Seven would do

    • @AustynSN
      @AustynSN Год назад +29

      I also vaguely remember something where another character on The Avengers found out T'Challa (only known to the other character as "Black Panther") was black. He was surprised because he just never assumed that a character with "Black" in his name would be black.

    • @nailinthefashion
      @nailinthefashion Год назад +8

      @@ironmaster6496 I know right that's so wild the comics have been overtly woke in funny ways for decades

  • @jennyholiday88
    @jennyholiday88 Год назад +100

    Them: "why isn't their a white panther"
    Me, an El Tigre fan : "There is. His name is Rudolfo Rivera. The White Pantera."

    • @RossPitSharkHunter
      @RossPitSharkHunter Год назад +9

      Hell yeah, that show was my jam back in the day!

    • @kingofthegundam7974
      @kingofthegundam7974 Год назад +7

      HOLY SHIT, loved that show! I just heard the theme song in my head after you said that.

  • @Dhampir101980
    @Dhampir101980 Год назад +932

    Priest most likely made Casper unlikable on purpose, since he was against the idea of Replacing T’Challa in the first place, but was forced to do it.
    So he wrote Casper in a way to deliberately illustrate why the concept of making the BLACK Panther a more edgy, street white guy just doesn’t work. The very idea completely goes against the point and purpose of the black panther as a character. And Priest knew that. So Cole was his mouthpiece on the matter.
    Now that I think about it, The situation with Cole is very similar to what we have today with Jace Fox in I am Batman. Except there, it’s a black man taking the mantle of a white man. Yet Cole and Jace’s personalities and approach mirror each other to an almost uncanny degree. They would definitely be friends

    • @malcolmmayes6594
      @malcolmmayes6594 Год назад +135

      I like that reasoning. Malicious compliance since he didn’t want to write the “urban” character in the first place.

    • @Dhampir101980
      @Dhampir101980 Год назад +90

      @@malcolmmayes6594 it just makes the most sense to me. Priest is too capable and too intelligent to have not known what he was writing

    • @delongjohnsilver7235
      @delongjohnsilver7235 Год назад +68

      I actually read this for a college course as an example of an author working on something they’re not interested in.

    • @Dhampir101980
      @Dhampir101980 Год назад +37

      @@delongjohnsilver7235 it’s so obvious that Priest’s heart was NOT in this new direction at all.

    • @hoodiek6802
      @hoodiek6802 Год назад +28

      @@Dhampir101980 i kinda of understand why he would be mad about it Their were so little black characters that got an shine now they (The Industry) wanted to take 1 of the most popular black characters mantles and make them white.That wasn't right at all.

  • @jennifergriel861
    @jennifergriel861 Год назад +422

    Honestly Casper would make a good ANTAGONIST for the real Black Panther

    • @kaijuroar8415
      @kaijuroar8415 Год назад +30

      I feel like this would just cause more controversy

    • @anasloyal
      @anasloyal Год назад +13

      @@kaijuroar8415 plus how his creation come to be it'll have been poor choice

    • @ampocalypsew3883
      @ampocalypsew3883 Год назад +29

      I gave you a like but, in all honesty we don't need Kilmonger lit (no pun intend) if anything I feel like Cole can still be tge way he is but. Have him grow from a self hatred black, to a man loves his skin and ppl, also learn to stop being so sexist and be more of a father/respectful man toward his baby mother. Witt all that he should get a new name

    • @nailinthefashion
      @nailinthefashion Год назад +7

      @@ampocalypsew3883 Killmonger lite 💀💀💀💀 fatality

    • @casteanpreswyn7528
      @casteanpreswyn7528 Год назад +7

      @nail inthefashion based on their comment, it'd actually be nearly the complete opposite of Killmonger. Idk how you thought they'd be similar.

  • @cosmicghost811
    @cosmicghost811 Год назад +196

    Technically speaking, there were two: Casper and Ultimate Captain America.

    • @jakenbake3127
      @jakenbake3127 Год назад +11

      And their was an alternate universe black panther found in wha HUH

    • @Nova-su3fp
      @Nova-su3fp Год назад +31

      Didn’t Captain America wore the Black Panther suit just so he can trick Nick fury

    • @kab6754
      @kab6754 Год назад +8

      @@Nova-su3fp Yeah, I think that was the case

    • @MrMaxHauser
      @MrMaxHauser Год назад +3

      True, but usually Drake just focuses on the main universe

    • @Decembirth
      @Decembirth Год назад +1

      Hunter too.

  • @rzionrnrzfm5925
    @rzionrnrzfm5925 Год назад +187

    The thing that's funny to me is how when Casper returned, he suddenly returned he's no longer white passing but more biracial looking, and with abosulty no reason.

    • @Nzosaba_Matenge
      @Nzosaba_Matenge Год назад +24

      The hit him with the Robert De Costa effect, went from black passing to racially ambiguous

    • @rzionrnrzfm5925
      @rzionrnrzfm5925 Год назад +18

      Lol yeah but in this case it's the reverse. He went from white passing to black passing for no reason.

    • @lmao2302
      @lmao2302 Год назад +7

      He never was white passing to begin with.

    • @TrillyThough
      @TrillyThough Год назад +5

      @@lmao2302 thank you!

    • @rzionrnrzfm5925
      @rzionrnrzfm5925 Год назад +3

      He pulled a reverse Micheal Jackson

  • @gabrielrussell5531
    @gabrielrussell5531 Год назад +386

    There's also a White Tiger. It's a mantle passed between various members of a Puerto Rican family. I'm sure that fact would piss the people who ask that question off a great deal.
    Panthers are not a species, it's the general evolutionary grouping for big cats as distinct from small cats. In Africa the only panther that can be black are leopards. Outside of Africa, jaguars from South America can also be black panthers. This does in fact mean that white tigers are white panthers.

    • @fredbearchannel976
      @fredbearchannel976 Год назад +24

      Ultimate Spider-Man

    • @CalvinKalisto
      @CalvinKalisto Год назад +12

      @@fredbearchannel976 Yup, that's how I knew about the character.

    • @jordanloux3883
      @jordanloux3883 Год назад +18

      Also White Wolf, AKA Hunter, T'Challa's adopted big brother

    • @NoHateLikeChristianLove
      @NoHateLikeChristianLove Год назад +6

      I was just about to mention that. There’s a White Wolf too isn’t

    • @NoHateLikeChristianLove
      @NoHateLikeChristianLove Год назад +1

      @@jordanloux3883 I just asked if there was a White Wolf as I heard about him but didn’t remember who he was. I forgot he was BP’s brother.

  • @duck-ew5zs
    @duck-ew5zs Год назад +121

    It's really funny that Kasper sometimes look like a biracial guy but also sometimes kinda look like Shane from Walking Dead season 2

    • @SolveForX
      @SolveForX Год назад +5

      He’s literally mixed. Comic Drake, as always, doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
      “The son of Jonathan Payton "Black Jack" Cole, hardline African-American cop nicknamed "Black Jack" because of his dark skin tone, and Ruth Cole, a white Jewish mother, Kevin Cole was nicknamed "Kasper" by his peers because of his light skin tone. “

    • @anasloyal
      @anasloyal Год назад +24

      @@SolveForX what are you talking about he addressed that he's mixed

    • @SolveForX
      @SolveForX Год назад +3

      @@anasloyal A person who has a black parent is black. And in none of the drawings of this character was he ever in any universe “white passing”.

    • @Rookseven7
      @Rookseven7 Год назад

      And what *exactly* does a biracial person look like? President Obama? Wentworth Miller? SMDH.

    • @klownkorpse7524
      @klownkorpse7524 Год назад +18

      @@SolveForX the whole reason he's called Casper is because he's so white

  • @hartthorn
    @hartthorn Год назад +25

    The ending is kind of funny for the karmic justice of Casper winding up in the same media place as T'Challa was seen as at the start. Just that one dude filling out the background roster of the group shots.

  • @KainGerc
    @KainGerc Год назад +52

    Hunter/White Wolf is back now in a main role as the main antagonist in the Sam Wilson/Captain America book.
    I think Ross showed up here and there in the comics in minor supporting roles throughout the years (plus, he appears in the MCU Black Panther movies, so that's something)
    Kasper's only appearance since the early 2000s was in a recent cameo in a background group shot of many heroes in the Black Panther book.

  • @radiant_ways0746
    @radiant_ways0746 Год назад +14

    Casper's fate as a background character is really ironic when you consider that, it was that status, what Marvel Knights was supposed to remove for Black Panther, he became the background character that T'Challa could have been.

  • @BrodyW2012
    @BrodyW2012 Год назад +19

    I love how everyone in Wakanda is just like "dude we'll give you whatever you want just back the hell off"

  • @DestinySpider
    @DestinySpider Год назад +137

    Writing stories about dirtbag protagonists seems to be a tricky thing to do.
    The way you described his story it seems very clear he's supposed to be someone the reader doesn't like or agree with, but it seems to be done in a way where it's just joyless and annoying.
    Nice characters just make for a better read usually.
    Also I was about to throw in a "I doubt people had a problem with black panther", but then I remembered that the first exposure I had to him (besides like one avengers issue at the back of a Spider-Man comic) was the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon, where he was fucking awesome, so I guess I can't judge. Not sure how he was in the comics really

    • @paladinluke37
      @paladinluke37 Год назад +7

      Nice characters can be just as underwhelming. I think the Spider-Man comics could've benefitted from a protagonist who turned the "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" theme on it's head. And no nothing like Superior Spider-Man.

    • @mikhaelgribkov4117
      @mikhaelgribkov4117 Год назад

      So Dan Slott run?

    • @redshepherd32
      @redshepherd32 Год назад

      @@paladinluke37 what about Cain?

    • @paladinluke37
      @paladinluke37 Год назад +3

      @@mikhaelgribkov4117 well considering I said NOT Superior Spider-Man...
      I mean having someone with Spider-Man powers using them for personal gain or entertainment. Sort of a Chronicle type situation.

  • @piedpiper4440
    @piedpiper4440 Год назад +84

    I actually quite enjoy Kasper. I don't like the idea of him as Black Panther but there's just enough good ideas with him that I can't really hate him. If they were to ever bring him back in a major role, maybe make him essentially T'Challa's Venom. You know, a dude who he'll do stuff with and isn't opposed to helping out, but they're not even remotely friends and are essentially just anime rivals lol.

    • @abrashio
      @abrashio Год назад +7

      I did as well and I was looking forward to more stories with him especially in The Crew which went more into his family and also featured someone I wish they would use more, Josiah X, I mean c'mon marvel you got a natural born second generation super soldier who has been fighting since Vietnam and you never use him?

    • @ampocalypsew3883
      @ampocalypsew3883 Год назад +6

      I kinda like tge idea of him being T'Challa's rival, I can see Cole bring kinda dumb where T'Challa has to either put him in his place or correct him.

    • @TheDistantWave
      @TheDistantWave Год назад +2

      I honestly think Kasper would do well with a tv series or something. I think Kasper was a cool White Tiger

    • @ampocalypsew3883
      @ampocalypsew3883 Год назад +1

      @@TheDistantWave if they do they need to tackle his issues that a lot of black ppl have had, and that is self hate or hating your own race

    • @TheDistantWave
      @TheDistantWave Год назад +1

      @@ampocalypsew3883 I never really saw him as self hate theme. It was more of hating the situation he felt stuck in, nothing really seemed to be going his way. Yet he was still big on doing the right thing. He was basically a Spider-Man of color characterization wise to me. Without the school stuff

  • @ctl6985
    @ctl6985 Год назад +45

    I have this run and this arc seemed so weird and out of nowhere. I hated Cole for all the reasons you mentioned. His attraction to Okeye to that level made no sense to me. I was also creeped out how young his girlfriend was. He's self-centered, entitled, and just was not worth reading about. The worst part is that I didn't and still don't know what to read after that to get T'Challa on the road to where he is now.

    • @Dhampir101980
      @Dhampir101980 Год назад +3

      The next most impactful run is the Reginald Hudlin storylines.
      He created Shuri and shaped the Dora Milaje into what we see in the MCU

    • @joelpartee594
      @joelpartee594 Год назад

      Did you read the main run by Priest in which T’Challa was Black Panther, or just the Kasper Cole coda?

    • @ctl6985
      @ctl6985 Год назад +2

      @@joelpartee594 I have the whole run

    • @joelpartee594
      @joelpartee594 Год назад

      @@ctl6985 In that case I agree with Michael Head, go for the Hudlin run.
      There's also Ta-Nehisi Coates' very recent run, which was fascinating and intense but, like Priest, not always focused on T'Challa.

    • @ctl6985
      @ctl6985 Год назад +2

      @@joelpartee594 Read that too 😅. It was jarring how it felt like an entirely different continuity. But I read that Shuri's run and Doom War. Soon I'll start BP: Man Without Fear and then Coates run.

  • @TheRamarsetya
    @TheRamarsetya Год назад +9

    Racist people would hate Kasper Cole even more than the Black Panther. He's of African and Jewish descent at the same time.

  • @an8strengthkobold360
    @an8strengthkobold360 Год назад +12

    Honestly this guy sounds like he could make a pretty good villain if he ever comes back.
    Just a thoroughly deplorable guy.

  • @depsoul1604
    @depsoul1604 9 месяцев назад +4

    The idea of a new character salvaging what was left of the suit and become an urban vigilante for a short time was kinda neat for me. Too bad the writing didn't live up to the concept.

  • @Scouthedog1
    @Scouthedog1 Год назад +9

    4:09 Was Not expecting overanalysing avatar's voice just to randomly pop in like that. XD

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Год назад +81

    "What if we took a character that was groundbreakingly unique and unfortunately still is, has an entire corner of the universe to play with basically all to himself...and made him into the same gritty, street level bullshit that the audience can get from 400 other mediocre comics"
    Genius Marvel, truly genius.

  • @OpenBiolabsGuy
    @OpenBiolabsGuy Год назад +9

    There was a white Black Panther in DC comics. He was a REALLY obscure character. Like, almost no one has heard of him. I think I remember an old timey DC toy of the character when I was a kid, but that may be a fever dream or something. Like Mystic Knights of Tir na Nog or the Robeasts from Voltron.

  • @redtutel
    @redtutel Год назад +13

    Evert Ross faced some criticism in the movie (which I think Wakanda Forever Addressed)
    But his original protrayal DEFINITELY has him falling under those complaints.

    • @kenlieck7756
      @kenlieck7756 Год назад +3

      Nobody mentions that Priest clearly intended EKR to be Michael J. Fox...

  • @redstarbayyt3528
    @redstarbayyt3528 Год назад +9

    In my opinion Casper has the potential to be a decent character if he was written like a decent person that cared about others than himself

  • @NekoiNemo
    @NekoiNemo Год назад +9

    16:40 "So what was the point?". Probably "trying up the loose ends". Having an ex-BP just hanging around in the limbo probably annoyed some writer in Marvel, so they decided to "wrap him up" by promoting him to a background character who will just cameo here and there and will most likely be killed next time a big storyline will require a body count among the heroes

  • @DQNPRSN
    @DQNPRSN Год назад +16

    Sooooooo Casper is just Andrew Tate? 😂

  • @comixproviderftw_02
    @comixproviderftw_02 Год назад +14

    Kevin Feige: Hey Ryan Gosling! We got a role for you!

  • @Chillgamesh
    @Chillgamesh Год назад +13

    YO THAT ROXAS NECKLACE LOOKS AMAZING!

  • @WhiteRaven696
    @WhiteRaven696 Год назад +5

    I completely forgot about Casper, I deadass thought this was gonna be about his brother Hunter (white boy adopted by T'Chaka and Ramonda before T'Challa's birth... Despite the fact that Ramonda didn't meet T'Chaka until after T'Challa was born...)

  • @TrillyThough
    @TrillyThough Год назад +18

    I love that Vin Diesel quote by Priest. While this is unquestionably the worst part of his time on the book, it's still worth a read. I'd love to see someone reasses and take another crack at Casper.

  • @lancergt1000
    @lancergt1000 Год назад +18

    why couldnt they at least give Cole a different animal than White Tiger of all things

  • @Gat720Dua
    @Gat720Dua Год назад +5

    I just can't get over the fact that he just looks like Punisher if he wanted to dress like Black Panther.

  • @FragItAll
    @FragItAll Год назад +12

    Not pertaining to Kasper, but Black Panther related. I am wondering if you did a video on your thoughts of when T'Challa became the protector of Hells Kitchen after the Shadowland fiasco.
    This was informative though

    • @ComicDrake
      @ComicDrake  Год назад +10

      That's coming in my video on every Daredevil.

  • @mcknightmareb4u494
    @mcknightmareb4u494 Год назад +6

    Kind of unrelated, but the book I know Priest from is the Rebirth Deathstroke series, which people praised to no end. However I had always forgotten the plot by the point a new issue came out, meaning I never really knew what was going on. I think I dropped it like 5 issues before its conclusion which is honestly kinda sad. I should probably give it an actual read sometime soon.

  • @lightningjules658
    @lightningjules658 Год назад +8

    casper cole could definitely work, but in my opinion as a villain (he could even become sympathetic, figuring out his mistakes and growing as a person) who turns into a hero and finally lives up to all that was given to him on a silver platter.

    • @hoangkienvu7572
      @hoangkienvu7572 Год назад +1

      I don't know it's kinda hard to have sympathy for a guy who ghosts his girlfriend because she isn't young and fuckable anymore.

    • @lightningjules658
      @lightningjules658 Год назад +3

      @@hoangkienvu7572 you misunderstand, i didnt say he was a good guy. that's why i said he could do great as a villain, but if marvel wanted to go the route of complete 180, they could put him through hell so he atones for his sins and comes out a better person.

    • @hoangkienvu7572
      @hoangkienvu7572 Год назад +1

      @@lightningjules658 Oh I meant he would be a good punch-able villain, just not a sympathetic one. He's the kind of villain that I would hate to have redeemed, like Omni Man from Invincible or Endeavor from MHA

  • @stephenspecht2131
    @stephenspecht2131 Год назад +3

    I think everyone misses the point of Casper, he isn’t supposed to be good, he is malicious compliance from Priest.

    • @jadenbryant9283
      @jadenbryant9283 2 месяца назад

      Yeah but I don't think he's exceuted well and not that interesting

  • @KA-pt1si
    @KA-pt1si Год назад +15

    Was going to go outside today but then I saw comic drake uploaded so I guess I will do it next week.

  • @sanelentetha5708
    @sanelentetha5708 Год назад +5

    This seems like a perfect role for Ryan Gosling

  • @SergioWillis
    @SergioWillis Год назад +19

    I actually enjoyed reading and collecting that storyline. It led to a new superhero team called "The Crew". I don't remember the character being such a jerk though. He seemed to use some tech for his powers. Also later I think he did end up getting powers from a synthetic version of the heart-shaped herd.

  • @gregcourtney751
    @gregcourtney751 Год назад +5

    The brain anneryism thing is odd. Its supposed to explain kirby's very wacky incarnation, with that version being in the future with anneryism. Said version even appears in the run but then its ignored.

  • @GruntCatcher
    @GruntCatcher Год назад +11

    But can you imagine an MCU entry with Cole as an antagonist. Have it play off of the MCU KillMongers ideology from the first movie. Hell have Killmonger appear in a vision to him and have even him talk down to him for just being an asshole. It really could work with the MCU of wrote correctly. And bonus points if they cast Vin Diesel in the the role.

    • @andrewmanchiraju8005
      @andrewmanchiraju8005 Год назад +1

      Saying Vin Diesel could be confusing abuse he’s already Drax.

    • @GruntCatcher
      @GruntCatcher Год назад +1

      @@akhonaluthuli5931 Yellow Jacket wasn’t a villain either. But the MCU can play with these kinds of things.

    • @GruntCatcher
      @GruntCatcher Год назад +3

      @@andrewmanchiraju8005 Vin Diesel doesn’t play Drax, he does voice Groot but that’s just a voice role.

    • @joelpartee594
      @joelpartee594 Год назад

      @@GruntCatcher There was a 616 villain (eventually redeemed) who stole the suit and named herself Yellowjacket. Plus another one after the movie, of course.

  • @darryljack6612
    @darryljack6612 Год назад +6

    0:08 Oh no Drake from a dark alternate universe.

    • @ComicDrake
      @ComicDrake  Год назад +8

      It would be so easy to sell out and make manosphere content. Those people love being pandered to.

    • @HotDogTimeMachine385
      @HotDogTimeMachine385 Год назад +4

      @@ComicDrake Major respect for calling out those people. Hope the comment section doesn't set on fire. Wish more youtubers were like you!

    • @darryljack6612
      @darryljack6612 Год назад +3

      @@ComicDrake Sounds like a fun satire idea for an April fools video where you let your evil twin take over.

  • @isabelrojas4637
    @isabelrojas4637 Год назад +4

    Kevin "Kasper" Cole is depicted as biracial, the child of an African man and a Jewish woman. As a result of the sharp contrast between his light skin and the dark skin of his father, he has been nicknamed Kasper, after Casper the Friendly Ghost.

  • @voidaspects9173
    @voidaspects9173 Год назад +7

    Okay, I gotta say, even with how much this character sucks...
    I absolutely love that costume. Like that's such a cool look. I honestly adore the aesthetic of it so goddamn much

  • @blitzzombie5319
    @blitzzombie5319 Год назад +7

    I think a video about Crazy Jane and all of her personalities would be really fun! You could use the Doom Patrol show ending as an excuse to make the video maybe

  • @leharvard3223
    @leharvard3223 Год назад +3

    So Ryan Gosling can still be the new Panther.

  • @alexgrey7972
    @alexgrey7972 Год назад +2

    There is nothing I love more than good old malicious compliance. Christopher priest is my dude.

  • @tricko1231
    @tricko1231 Год назад +72

    lmao "just like 40% of real police officers" sent me, drake is so real for that

  • @eon001
    @eon001 Год назад +10

    0:08 damn near spat out my coffee 😂😂😂😂

  • @benedict0902
    @benedict0902 Год назад +2

    They could have called him "Silver Lion"... or unseasoned chicken

  • @NerdettesNewsStand
    @NerdettesNewsStand Год назад +5

    That intro was great

  • @nielsfrederiksen6636
    @nielsfrederiksen6636 Год назад +4

    You know.. Ive read 1000s of Marvel Comics and im still amazed at how much crazy shit they have put out, that ive never heard of.

  • @rileypickett778
    @rileypickett778 Год назад +2

    Making Casper a completely insufferable character that no one would want to read about/want back seemed like Priest's private method of protest for this silly idea and taking the shit out of the very type of people that would unironically say "why can't MLK be played by a white person?" It's too bad that his real Black Panther run was riddled with a lot of internalized anti-Blackness and general cynicism around race relations. A very wild run for someone that managed to have the most influence on a hero that eventually became a very beloved character in the MCU.

    • @ComicDrake
      @ComicDrake  Год назад +4

      Yeah... I definitely picked up on a lot of what seemed like anti-blackness in Priest's run and it rubbed me the wrong way. However, after talking to some of my friends, apparently a lot of that kind of sentiment was going around in the black community in the 90s and early 2000s? I've been trying to understand, but I definitely don't have the perspective and knowledge to make any definitive comments which is why I tried to steer away from mentioning that stuff in this video.
      I've been trying my best to learn about POC discourse and it's history, but I'm definitely still ignorant about a lot.

  • @orencohen9635
    @orencohen9635 Год назад +6

    I've not heard of this character before, and you paint a very bad picture of him, but I do feel you've justified bringing him back as a background extra.
    There's potential for some sort of a redemption story here,
    will it be told? probably not
    if its told will it be good? depends on the writing
    but I see a potential storyline here and the beauty of these long running stories is how someone can come along one day look at the discarded strands left by the previous writers and make something out of them.

  • @FRISHR
    @FRISHR Год назад +1

    Can’t wait for MCU’s White Black Panther to be played by Ryan Gosling!

  • @UY-SCUTZ
    @UY-SCUTZ Год назад +5

    I'm not the biggest fan of Kasper being called white here. Theres a bit of a problem with mixed people being disregarded as white in the black community because of lightness. The same has even happened to me, regardless of my hair texture and "black" features (for lack of a better term) I've still been called white because of my light complection (I don't even slightly pass as white btw). So even though i really enjoyed this video, along with all the others, the "Kasper is white" sentiment in the title and running throughout the video kind of rubbed me the wrong way even though I know it doesn't come from a place of bigotry or malice.

    • @ComicDrake
      @ComicDrake  Год назад +8

      I understand where you're coming from, but I'm going to repeat what I said in the pinned comment. Christopher Priest constantly and explicitly draws attention to Kasper's whiteness ofrom his literal name to the name of the storyline, Black and White. He is clearly trying to portray the character as white, even though he is of mixed heritage.

    • @UY-SCUTZ
      @UY-SCUTZ Год назад +2

      @@ComicDrake I could be reading this wrong but I see the Kasper nickname being a reference to his lightness rather than his whiteness and the title "black and white" being a reference to his mixed heritage rather than his whiteness alone. Not the biggest fan of the portrayal of mixed people by Priest in this rin either but I think it's a distinction worth mentioning. Thanks for clear it up a bit. I do appreciate your allyship of us minorities, especially in a world where a lot of "nerd media" RUclipsrs are so evil when it comes to this stuff.

    • @ComicDrake
      @ComicDrake  Год назад +6

      @@UY-SCUTZ That's entirely valid and I definitely see your point. I try to do my best, but I can totally admit that as a white guy, I have blind spots so thank you so much for the perspective. 🙏

    • @UY-SCUTZ
      @UY-SCUTZ Год назад +3

      @@ComicDrake the fact that you try/are trying is already great. Thanks for your understanding.

  • @alexfrank5331
    @alexfrank5331 Год назад +3

    6:10 It's almost as if nobody wants a whiny protagonist who blames everyone else for their own problem... be that character white, male, or any other types. It must be some kind of grand secret that nobody can figure out, since Marvel keeps making whiny protagonist who blames everyone else for their problem and then is shocked that everyone hate it. lol

  • @chocolatecake30
    @chocolatecake30 11 месяцев назад +2

    As a Biracial person (Half Black Half White) thier aren't many Biracial characters like me. Thier are plenty of Afro Latinos and lots of other biracial characters which is cool. But not many that look like me and Casper Cole is like the only one and he's not that great. Any one got any reading recommendations for Half White/Half Black characters???

  • @MrVreyes20
    @MrVreyes20 Год назад +5

    HOLY SHIT RYAN GOSLING BLACK PANTHER IS REAL

    • @MrVreyes20
      @MrVreyes20 Год назад +1

      @@akhonaluthuli5931 he's half white plus I highly doubt the MCU would actually use him in a movie or show in a serious manner. So they could easily use him as a joke character to make fun of the idea of a white/white passing man non Wakandan being the Black Panther

  • @jaketakenobreak
    @jaketakenobreak Год назад +3

    so disrespectful that this grown ass man casper just stole his identities from other POC heroes like you coulda just made your own shit up but nah imma just take all that

  • @sellammichael1796
    @sellammichael1796 Год назад +1

    Another very cool vidéo ! (loved it when you said danger zone with the top gun background 😂

  • @mttylerdurden9
    @mttylerdurden9 Год назад +3

    Im betting Christopher Priest made this guy suck on purpose. Just to give a middle finger to the higher ups.

  • @zachryder3150
    @zachryder3150 Год назад +4

    Someone call Ryan Gosling!

  • @makkatree7467
    @makkatree7467 Год назад +7

    Amazingly wow. What an angle on confusion in a person with such a storyline and mannerisms

  • @fanofaction2364
    @fanofaction2364 Год назад +1

    It was crazy hearing Overanalyzing Avatar’s voice cameo

  • @delongjohnsilver7235
    @delongjohnsilver7235 Год назад +12

    I feel like the whole idea of this works much better in American Carnage as it actually explores the nuances of the protagonist’s position as white passing while being a cop

  • @colesnead4061
    @colesnead4061 Год назад +4

    Ahaha... i love how not only this character shares a name with me, but we're both mixed 🥲.
    ...
    But low key i do like the visual idea behind a gun weilding black panther.
    *its like a fusion between punisher and him!*

  • @comixproviderftw_02
    @comixproviderftw_02 Год назад +1

    0:08 The Punisher beanie was the cherry on top 😂

  • @hymiepolania
    @hymiepolania 11 месяцев назад +1

    0:40 40 seconds in am I already regret not clicking this video sooner. I about died with the sunglasses bit.

  • @TheChosenPrime
    @TheChosenPrime Год назад +1

    Can't wait for Casper to have a 6 episode mini-series on Disney+ were he is played by Ryan Gosling and changes his backstory completely (I feel like I did this same joke with another character)

  • @OrganFairy-em4cs
    @OrganFairy-em4cs 5 месяцев назад +1

    He went from T'challa to T'chandler

  • @Wrokzor
    @Wrokzor Год назад +1

    that intro clip in the car is brilliant, the punisher beanie is the cherry on top :D

  • @NerdettesNewsStand
    @NerdettesNewsStand Год назад

    What happened to your join button?

  • @grandsome1
    @grandsome1 Год назад +2

    The writer clearly hated the character when he's wrote them.

  • @GaryOakPR
    @GaryOakPR Год назад +5

    Ryan Gosling

  • @MediumDSpeaks
    @MediumDSpeaks Год назад +1

    Yo that sunglasses in your car shot was far too real.

  • @guillermopena8412
    @guillermopena8412 Год назад +2

    I kinda love how every character from the Black Panther cast just take a look at Casper Cole and says "You wanna cosplay as the Black Panther? Ugh, fine, take this bootleg thing. Now, Go. Away".

  • @windwind3170
    @windwind3170 Год назад +1

    I find it pretty funny how Cole goes thru Michael Jackson phase but in reverse. Literally an Uncle Ruckus(no relation).

  • @Neyebureturns
    @Neyebureturns Год назад +2

    If they introduce this character into the MCU it wouldn’t surprise me if they turn him into a villain

  • @Redwolver111
    @Redwolver111 Год назад +2

    I'm very surprised to hear that there are people who think there should be a white Black Panther, is every other Marvel hero not good enough?

  • @thebirdofbludhaven8647
    @thebirdofbludhaven8647 Год назад +9

    Maybe Ryan gosling can play him in the mcu

  • @hunterterrell5735
    @hunterterrell5735 Год назад +1

    If the MCU was able to reinvent Everett Ross into a more compent pov side character in the movies, they could do the same with Cole in Black Panther 3. Preferably with a complete reinvention in the personality department.

  • @catrfish269
    @catrfish269 Год назад +1

    Not even “Panther: Ghost” “Phantom Tiger” “Silver jaguar” idk “silver wolf”

  • @emotee3523
    @emotee3523 Год назад

    Yo Comic Drake, your T-Shirt is lit, where did u get it?

  • @KassTheLass
    @KassTheLass Год назад +1

    I feel like Bill Jemas was an invisible hand moving this behind the scenes.

    • @ComicDrake
      @ComicDrake  Год назад +2

      When in doubt, blame Jemas.

  • @dramonmaster222
    @dramonmaster222 Год назад +2

    Hm. Why do I feel as Christopher Priest made him suck just to say F U to the Higher Ups.

  • @fredlloyd-ward6141
    @fredlloyd-ward6141 Год назад +4

    Do a video on everyone who has been batman

  • @teaganrichichi
    @teaganrichichi Год назад +3

    6:19 great line

  • @Silver_Chivalry
    @Silver_Chivalry 7 месяцев назад +1

    Between this, your video on Riri Williams and her appearing in Wakanda Forever, it makes me wonder, what if Riri Williams became Black Panther? 🤔

  • @boneboy711
    @boneboy711 Год назад +1

    It has been a long time since I read Christopher Priest's Black Panther run.

  • @justrok79
    @justrok79 Год назад +1

    As a halfrican American male...who the hell did they even reference for this guy? He goes from white to black to white. They really should have stuck to a consistent look if they were going to do this.

  • @BENY0HAMA
    @BENY0HAMA Год назад +5

    As someone who read all of Priest’s Black Panther & loathed Casper Cole, this video is giving me life. Thank you

  • @richadoruisuthegod3674
    @richadoruisuthegod3674 Год назад +1

    you say Kevin doesn't have character development but completely exclude his development in The Crew and how Priest slowly showed his path to truly being heroic person by focusing more on how he is willing to do anything for his family, having him risk his life to save some cops, the one scene where he freed Danny even though he knew Danny would not do the same and how Priest uses both Josiah X & Rhodey as a way for Kevin to realize his flaws. btw I liked the vid but I had to say this after seeing how you made it seem like Rhodey being broke was the only interesting thing in the comic

  • @nuniplayz
    @nuniplayz Год назад +1

    So Ryan Gosling BP could be cannonical to the mcu if they ever go down that path!?

  • @anarchyknight6004
    @anarchyknight6004 Год назад +1

    Awkward moment knowing that Okoye is a teenager around this time

  • @SiriuslyBlack7
    @SiriuslyBlack7 Год назад +1

    Thank you so much for finally dropping all the info on T'Challa's adopted brother,Hunter (the White Wolf),and Kasper Cole..I was getting tired of explaining this point on other channels everytime some douche in the chat would ask that same stupid question, like somehow we (Black readers),need hand-me-down race swapped characters to enjoy comics.Maybe they'll listen to you?

  • @A-Muse-U
    @A-Muse-U Год назад +2

    Honestly Casper would be interesting as a villain: a piece of shit cop who misunderstands what makes Black Panther great and steals the idea to do whatever he wants.
    There’s some interesting things you can do with that